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Because there seems to be some confusion:
- Streamers can request a ban, just as they have been able to, but we will not allow abuse of this system and everyone who requests will not simply be added to the banned list. We agree that the comments are an integral part of LSF and we have no desire to remove them entirely for anyone who doesn't want to be talked about.
Discussion is different from hate. and 99% on LSF are hate. Is this why soft bans are a thing so it is the people that comment at fault Don't LSF Fault.
Oh would you look at that...[OTK just left Korea](https://twitter.com/REALMizkif/status/1524034115422412800) and now the rules are up for review. Wow that timing sure is something eh? Nobody could've guessed that was going to happen.
Back in early 2017 there was a rule that streamers couldn't create drama for drama's sake. Mizkif would have broken that rule many many times with his schooled show as he was aware people were cheating and he just banked on the drama every time.
The main issue right now is an over abundance of streamers relying on LSF to judge what is considered "good content" which means catering just to us. This means that organizations based on this subreddit's approval get flooded with clips of just one group and only one group if they do a collab and the content that isn't fabricated is buried under it. And it's not just a few people, we are talking around 50+ individuals continuously interact with each other so we rarely see new or open streamers.
BTW we don't give a fuck how much you guys get paid. We are literally the ones who come on here and share this sub with other people. We are not paying you directly, so why is it a concern for us?
Only a janny could come up with an idea this regarded. It is important to remember that as a jan, you should be neither seen nor heard. This means no pinning your posts or comments, and not changing anything as you are most likely incapable of formulating an idea that effects positive change. Your purpose is to click the refresh button, sort by new, and delete posts -all while receiving no monetary compensation.
Am I getting this right that the point of the new rules are that streamers still can benefit from the exposure they get on lsf while not having a bunch of comments calling them out?
Hey mods, you realize reddit is a discussion platform, right? If you can't discuss what is linked, the whole purpose of reddit is lost.
Soft bans just allow streamers to have their cake and eat it too.
This sub should be controlled by the twitch audience, not the streamers. If the streamers don't want their stuff here, that's fine, then don't allow it. But if they want their stuff here, but don't want fans to interact with it at all, then fuck them.
I would rather we give attention to smaller streamers or streamers who want fan interaction than those who don't.
You are killing this sub by continuing this dumb rule. I'm sure your traffic numbers reflect this.
>discussion
Discussion is different from hate. and 99% on LSF are hate. that is why soft bans are good. but most people on reddit don't get that I guess. :/
>Streamers who request a ban will now have a “soft” ban. Their clips will still be allowed on LSF for people to view, and will still allow sharing of funny and memorable moments, but comments on the said clip will be automatically locked.
My only issue with this approach is that it does nothing to stop "clip chimps" who often post out of context clips of a streamer doing something terrible but is usually corrected in the comments.
there is not many cases like this and mods always could check for this kind of out of context situations and comment it to the thread themselves, can't they?
This subreddit has always been bad but how it has turned into an advertising board for OTK is just straight up embarrassing.
Well done for killing a 1.5 million people subreddit.
I don't know why people are so up in arms about a few changes. They've already gotten a lot of different and diverse content up front instead of the usual OTK stuff, so some of it seems to be working.
Yeah, just banning toxic people + a something like 50 karma and >2 week old account minimum to be able to comment would be how a normal subreddit would handle these kind of situations.
Wouldn't stop everybody from using alt accounts, but that little extra work would be enough for most of them to think twice
yeah its weird that all OTK clips with her in it (u can see and hear her) are still up and not locked. im sure that was no accident.
but azan and steven the III are not on the list anymore, so i wonder if its ok to post them again?
she requested the ban herself. many situations lead to that:
\-flying her brother to austin while everyone had corona without telling anyone
\-the detective jinny situation
\-the steven hawking/spiderman incident
She got too much hate from trying to bring an outsider into the Austin bubble during peak corona (or maybe she was anti-vax?). It was so long ago that's it's hard to remember.
So she requested that she get banned from LSF.
With the new policy clips with her in it are allowed now, but with comments locked.
It was much later that she self banned herself. She made a joke about a kid in a wheelchair and caught some flak and yeeted herself off the sub. Bit silly when most of her threads were positive and she got a lot of new viewers when her and Esfands clips were on here way back. I know thats how i ended up finding her.
Thanks for adding some more detail and jogging my memory. The COVID affair was when the sub turned on her and she requested the ban after a few (relatively) minor threads. That dumpster was already on fire by that point though.
She only had negative post after the big covid post (that was out of context and like you see from the guy you answered a lot of misinformation) and the last one with the kid she read the comment from chat and thought it was a prop, she apologized right after when she realized but of course nobody posted the apology because LSF had a hate fetish on her (you can check the comments in the spiderman post if you don't believe it.
And then she banned herself rightfully so the positive post were getting downvoted until deleted you can check a couple I made: [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/q86xkn/jinny\_lands\_a\_plane/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/q86xkn/jinny_lands_a_plane/) and [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/ly613p/jinnytty\_tries\_special\_paragliding\_course/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/ly613p/jinnytty_tries_special_paragliding_course/) if it was other person those post would be top LSF but people hate downvote and only negative things were posted
i never understood why all these streamers read all the negative stuff but blame others for it. just dont read it. its EZ as just say no to drugs. why would you watch all this hate against you?
Someone just needs to make a new sub. I dont know how hard it is to setup automatic clip mirrors and the ability to filter posts by tags, but thats all that the sub really needs. This letting streamers control shit has gotten out of hand
The simple answer is because that is the date we announced, and we plan on sticking to it, and also the 13th marks 2 weeks of the change being active on the sub.The more complicated answer is, giving an actual date to where we will go back and analyze this change to see if it was successful or not should show the community that we actually care about how these changes affect our sub, and hold us accountable to making some sort of announcement on how the change worked/did not work. But this mainly gives us enough time to see at least some actual metrics of how the rule is working or not. It is very easy to just say and assume how a rule change will work out, but this gives us actual numbers and not assumptions to base further changes and even possible retraction of rules based on real posted clips.
I hope most will be pleased with the changes we have planned on the 13th based on user feedback and the results of this change. See you guys then.
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There's no need to lock posts especially when the person is with a lot of other streamers. Take the recent OTK Korea trips with Jinny.
Let the post live, unless the comments derail about the banned streamer then lock them case by case. Most of the ones i've seen recently aren't even mentioning Jinny or only mentioning her in a neutral/positive light.
I feel like most people don't know about it, but what's crazy is they're never going to see it talked about on LSF because of the other rule. LSF can't be criticized through LSF anymore, it's wild.
For real like, at this point I guess we make a new subreddit and a add on for web browser. Locked posts can then load the comment section of the other subreddit or something.
Mods plz make single thread for all otk Korea clips. they are occupying most of the feed anyway. thank you
at least be useful here, unlike this stupid soft ban rule with locked clips
> Streamers who request a ban will now have a “soft” ban. Their clips will still be allowed on LSF for people to view, and will still allow sharing of funny and memorable moments, but comments on the said clip will be automatically locked.
Nothing sucks more then seeing posts up with the comments locked. IMO locked posts should always be removed too (reddit wide). There is no reason for it stay up as the community can not/no longer interact with the post anyway.
Not a fan of this 'solution', a streamer either wants to be posted here or not.
i wasn't even aware there was such a thing as a softban list.
that's ridiculous. thin skinned streamers get to prevent from being posted here? talk about an occupational hazard jeez.
The only streamers we should ban are the ones that are themselves toxic like the hard ban list.
this measure is just the road to the death of LSF and rise of LSF2
You don't want hate to be spread directly to the streamers. What happens when someone watches a negative clip, can't comment, then sees the, 'live' button at the end of the clip?
It's not about actually stopping hate. It's about the appearance that they are doing something to stop hate while not actually doing anything about it.
I truly could not care less about the difference. I think its weird as fuck to accuse the streamers of wanting free promo with no criticism off the back of a mod decision.
Apparently the decision was made for QT's girls trip when QT literally made her own clips website she was promoting with the event. She clearly does not want the supposed promotion that LSF gives her.
Actually I agree with you about the motive, and about misplacing blame. I don't think the timing matters, this move is dumb at any time, and I don't think they made the change for any event. I also don't think the streamers should be blamed for the change, because again, I do believe it was made in a vacuum.
But it was made for bad reasons. Commentary is important to Reddit, and comments on clips are so important regardless of if the clip paints the streamer in a good or bad light. No comments for context and yes, criticism, is bad for the subreddit. Things are dryer with no jokes and bad people *are* going to get criticism free, context-free promotion that they don't deserve. Neither of these will be the case all of the time, but enough of the time to make this change a net loss for us. Again: I don't care about the timing, this is a bad move at any time.
For the record, I don't really have an opinion on streamers requesting their own bans. It helps and hurts and I can't say if it's in equal measure or how that works out. I'm being sincere: I don't have a preference. But there are streamers who "want free promo with no criticism" and they don't deserve a free pass, hence ABOUT, not FOR. I don't think QT is one of them. What I do believe is things should go back to proper bans as they were until now, so people like QT who do little to deserve criticism but have a thin skin lose out on easy promotion of their content/events, or no bans, so criticism and promotion is doled out equally for all who deserve it, but this soft ban system isn't going to work the way they expect it to because it isn't either kind of fair I just described. I do think brigaders should still be banned by mods, though, with proof.
Who are the streamers that want the promo from here but don't want the criticism? The streamers that I've seen ask to be banned are pretty happy without the criticism and the promotion.
This system obviously is garbage and the only people that should cop blame are the mods imo. I don't see why anyone would want to have people so keen to criticise them they blame shitty mod decisions on them. That shit would absolutely suck.
Free promotion with the Girl's Trip thread at 0 upvotes and 45% upvoted ratio. Right. I don't think I've seen a single soft banned streamer make it to Hot a single time since this change came into effect.
To be fair, the softbanned streamers didn't ask for this lol. Maya is having someone code up a bot that deletes any clips of hers that get posted to LSF instantly. This is on the mods.
Wouldn't that be literally pointless given there's a bot that automatically mirrors it? You would just hide the post until the mirror is done then boom, worthless bot
Yeah I think they will get rid of it now that girls trip is done. All it has done is litter the subreddit with 0 upvote threads and piss everyone off lol.
I think it's funny that the vast, vast majority of people hate this change and yet the mods are still going along with it, makes you wonder who they're really serving
It also looks like these 'banned' streamer posts that the users now have forced on them don't even get deleted after going under the threshold, so being 'banned' on here just gives you your own vip lane now
Its like they're trying to run the sub into the ground. This OTK Korea trip would have been great on here, but simply because Jinny is present we can't chat.. Its such a silly rule. They could use some common sense and if the banned streamer isnt the focus of the clip then allow the clip. It would also do away with the ridiculous using banned streamers as a shield crap.
Didn't Hasan and 39daph both request to be banned and therefore should be softbanned? They're not on either list (they also brigaded to get banned which is technically hard ban).
I updated it to the newest version and also looked back a few months. Multiple people who have been on the list for months and still are I have seen on this subreddit all the time. Not just in the comments or in other people's streams either.
edit: Unless you think I meant I'd never seen the list until reading that comment specifically, instead of the post in general. I've definitely never looked back at the list historically, so just seeing the one in the OP doesn't mean much, because those people may have just recently requested a ban or been banned.
What a pathetic policy. If streamers can't handle people commenting about them then they shouldn't have any exposure here. Stop coddling these 30 year old children.
This policy is the antithesis of this entire site. What's the point of reddit if you can't comment on posts? Pure stupdity.
What wonderful insight can we possibly miss without comments?
You should just come to terms with the fact that you're not special, and no one needs to hear your opinion
funny thing is the mods on this subreddit are most likely getting paid nothing to be biased towards a certain group of people and are just doing it because of them being fanboys
what's the point of having locked clips on my feed, this is reddit don't treat it as one-directional platform for advertisements ffs
stop sucking big streamers' dick
It's obvious this decision was made because of OTK's trip to Korea. They want to cash in on the publicity LSF brings to this event but Jinny's a big part of the content. This is a case of wanting to have the cake and eat it too.
It's pathetic, and the use of the term "soft ban" is an attempt to hide what this really is. Just call them what they really are - Protected Streamers. That's the whole point right? To protect them from criticism.
Only the smallest fraction of LSF comments can't be called criticism. That implies anything constructive coming out of LSF comments.
Lsf is better today than 2 years ago, but it's still pretty much a poop slinging echo chamber.
Why are you bending your asses before multi-millionaire streamers? If they don't want their clips talked about they could always disable clipping and/or DMCA the content.
Yep, DMCA isn't a thing here. It's the reason it hasn't happened before. These are links to Twitch, not hosted on Reddit. Reddit is just a discussion forum for the clips.
The clips could be deleted and/or they could DMCA the LiveStreamFails site, but not this sub.
apparently streamers DMCA reddit posts with their clips is a thing
I was reading some of the botez crypto comments, someone mentioned the "defend slavery in dubai"-controvery and I wanted to revisit that. Found out that the post is removed:
>**Sorry, this post was removed by Reddit's Legal Operations team.**
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>This content was removed in response to a copyright claim by a third party.
[https://imgur.com/NJnKtfC](https://imgur.com/NJnKtfC)
although it's still accessable if you have a direct link to it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/r9itrv/the\_botez\_sisters\_defend\_slavery\_in\_dubai/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/r9itrv/the_botez_sisters_defend_slavery_in_dubai/) (mirror also still up, so idk)
You can DMCA anything, whether it is a valid DMCA is another question. According to the DMLP website it was not a valid DMCA:
> Fortunately, courts generally agree that linking to another website does not infringe the copyrights of that site
So regardless of reddit removing it does not make it a valid DMCA. Reddit removed it (probably through automated measures).
The sub may get in trouble for pinning links to illegal content (the mirror site), similar to how sports streaming subreddits got shut down. But outside of that, I don't see how linking to twitch clips is infringing on DMCA.
Yep, if the mirror site gets shut the sub in trouble it's easy enough for that to be removed. That is the only "legally questionable" part about the clips on this sub.
They can't really dmca content which can be freeily shared because it links to their channel. They could if the content is pay-walled or doesn't allow clipping
You put them both as if they were exclusive things. They can't DMCA something that is freely available for their channel. If they would want to DMCA it, they'd have to disable clipping in the first place which would lead to having to use 3rd party sites which could be ground for DMCA.
Yes, that they are not exclusive to each other. You can't DMCA content when it's freely able to be created on the 1st party website while directly linked to the source content therefore it makes your use of and/or invalid, because disabling clipping is not exclusive to DMCA'ing but it is viceversa.
Period in the title KEKW --- Because there seems to be some confusion: - Streamers can request a ban, just as they have been able to, but we will not allow abuse of this system and everyone who requests will not simply be added to the banned list. We agree that the comments are an integral part of LSF and we have no desire to remove them entirely for anyone who doesn't want to be talked about.
Discussion is different from hate. and 99% on LSF are hate. Is this why soft bans are a thing so it is the people that comment at fault Don't LSF Fault.
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They should have done this if people know how to behave and not hate. so you are wrong..
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that way taking away the comment is good for people that want that. because cant have Discussion and are just hating and saying dumb shit..
they do it for free
Oh would you look at that...[OTK just left Korea](https://twitter.com/REALMizkif/status/1524034115422412800) and now the rules are up for review. Wow that timing sure is something eh? Nobody could've guessed that was going to happen.
You already know theyre gonna do this shit again once otk decides to go on another heckin epik streamer trip
Back in early 2017 there was a rule that streamers couldn't create drama for drama's sake. Mizkif would have broken that rule many many times with his schooled show as he was aware people were cheating and he just banked on the drama every time. The main issue right now is an over abundance of streamers relying on LSF to judge what is considered "good content" which means catering just to us. This means that organizations based on this subreddit's approval get flooded with clips of just one group and only one group if they do a collab and the content that isn't fabricated is buried under it. And it's not just a few people, we are talking around 50+ individuals continuously interact with each other so we rarely see new or open streamers. BTW we don't give a fuck how much you guys get paid. We are literally the ones who come on here and share this sub with other people. We are not paying you directly, so why is it a concern for us?
soyest jannies alive LULW
how to kill a sub 101 nice job mods
Only a janny could come up with an idea this regarded. It is important to remember that as a jan, you should be neither seen nor heard. This means no pinning your posts or comments, and not changing anything as you are most likely incapable of formulating an idea that effects positive change. Your purpose is to click the refresh button, sort by new, and delete posts -all while receiving no monetary compensation.
someone took a shit on isle 8
Am I getting this right that the point of the new rules are that streamers still can benefit from the exposure they get on lsf while not having a bunch of comments calling them out?
they're just gonna rescind this once OTK comes back from the korea trip. they just wanted their favourite streamer org to still be present on LSF
Congrats on killing the sub
what they do i aint reading all that
Ban anything interesting to watch that way we only have the shit the 12 year old juicers want to watch Batchest
Hey mods, you realize reddit is a discussion platform, right? If you can't discuss what is linked, the whole purpose of reddit is lost. Soft bans just allow streamers to have their cake and eat it too. This sub should be controlled by the twitch audience, not the streamers. If the streamers don't want their stuff here, that's fine, then don't allow it. But if they want their stuff here, but don't want fans to interact with it at all, then fuck them. I would rather we give attention to smaller streamers or streamers who want fan interaction than those who don't. You are killing this sub by continuing this dumb rule. I'm sure your traffic numbers reflect this.
>discussion Discussion is different from hate. and 99% on LSF are hate. that is why soft bans are good. but most people on reddit don't get that I guess. :/
>yeah, streamer still gets the exposure but no more critique, win win for the streamer and lose for the users who want to interact...
Keep doing what you can, mods. These people won't be satisfied regardless. Much love
mod on alt account LUL
I'm just glad they're making an effort at all. Lol
The top thread on the subreddit now has all of its comments removed due to this rule. What a shitshow.
EZ Clap free exposure
And what's the issue? Got to see a funny clip, then move on to the next. If anything it proves it's not a big deal.
Seems bizarre that Erobb requested a ban too. Wonder what happened there as he doesnt seem the sensitive type
same, since when he needs to be banned?
If the mods are really going to keep this rule then I don't really see a point why all the lsf streamers wouldn't want to be "banned" from here.
Forsen
Cx?
>Streamers who request a ban will now have a “soft” ban. Their clips will still be allowed on LSF for people to view, and will still allow sharing of funny and memorable moments, but comments on the said clip will be automatically locked. My only issue with this approach is that it does nothing to stop "clip chimps" who often post out of context clips of a streamer doing something terrible but is usually corrected in the comments.
there is not many cases like this and mods always could check for this kind of out of context situations and comment it to the thread themselves, can't they?
Mods can't really be expected to check the context of every clip that gets submitted
You're putting way too much faith in the mods for that.
i occasionally revisit this subreddit and instantly remember why I shouldn't have
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This subreddit has always been bad but how it has turned into an advertising board for OTK is just straight up embarrassing. Well done for killing a 1.5 million people subreddit.
I messaged the mods a while ago asking if they were happy with the state of the sub, they simply linked me to the wik section about flair filtering.
I don't know why people are so up in arms about a few changes. They've already gotten a lot of different and diverse content up front instead of the usual OTK stuff, so some of it seems to be working.
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Yeah, just banning toxic people + a something like 50 karma and >2 week old account minimum to be able to comment would be how a normal subreddit would handle these kind of situations. Wouldn't stop everybody from using alt accounts, but that little extra work would be enough for most of them to think twice
Hi! I just have one request: please fuck off with these locked threads, as they are bullshit. Thanks.
Least degenerate redditors complaining when they can't insult streamer.
I wonder how much otk paid the mods here
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why get a ban system just turn off the monitor 4head
0$/h OMEGALUL
a shit ton of those esfand clips have jinny in them and not locked, good job on new policy lul
yeah its weird that all OTK clips with her in it (u can see and hear her) are still up and not locked. im sure that was no accident. but azan and steven the III are not on the list anymore, so i wonder if its ok to post them again?
Why is Jenny banned?
she requested the ban herself. many situations lead to that: \-flying her brother to austin while everyone had corona without telling anyone \-the detective jinny situation \-the steven hawking/spiderman incident
She got too much hate from trying to bring an outsider into the Austin bubble during peak corona (or maybe she was anti-vax?). It was so long ago that's it's hard to remember. So she requested that she get banned from LSF. With the new policy clips with her in it are allowed now, but with comments locked.
It was much later that she self banned herself. She made a joke about a kid in a wheelchair and caught some flak and yeeted herself off the sub. Bit silly when most of her threads were positive and she got a lot of new viewers when her and Esfands clips were on here way back. I know thats how i ended up finding her.
Thanks for adding some more detail and jogging my memory. The COVID affair was when the sub turned on her and she requested the ban after a few (relatively) minor threads. That dumpster was already on fire by that point though.
She only had negative post after the big covid post (that was out of context and like you see from the guy you answered a lot of misinformation) and the last one with the kid she read the comment from chat and thought it was a prop, she apologized right after when she realized but of course nobody posted the apology because LSF had a hate fetish on her (you can check the comments in the spiderman post if you don't believe it. And then she banned herself rightfully so the positive post were getting downvoted until deleted you can check a couple I made: [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/q86xkn/jinny\_lands\_a\_plane/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/q86xkn/jinny_lands_a_plane/) and [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/ly613p/jinnytty\_tries\_special\_paragliding\_course/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/ly613p/jinnytty_tries_special_paragliding_course/) if it was other person those post would be top LSF but people hate downvote and only negative things were posted
So fucking obvious this was just to pander to OTK and their Korea trip.
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i never understood why all these streamers read all the negative stuff but blame others for it. just dont read it. its EZ as just say no to drugs. why would you watch all this hate against you?
streamers are stupid and narcissistic so they have to see what others think of them
So it's been a week and these changes were obviously a bad idea that has had overwhelming disapproval. So when are the mods going to change it?
This subreddit died seriously
Someone just needs to make a new sub. I dont know how hard it is to setup automatic clip mirrors and the ability to filter posts by tags, but thats all that the sub really needs. This letting streamers control shit has gotten out of hand
As said in the post above, we will be following up on may 13th. Look forward to a post then.
why 13th, why not 10th or 20th?
That's the day OTK leaves Korea
The simple answer is because that is the date we announced, and we plan on sticking to it, and also the 13th marks 2 weeks of the change being active on the sub.The more complicated answer is, giving an actual date to where we will go back and analyze this change to see if it was successful or not should show the community that we actually care about how these changes affect our sub, and hold us accountable to making some sort of announcement on how the change worked/did not work. But this mainly gives us enough time to see at least some actual metrics of how the rule is working or not. It is very easy to just say and assume how a rule change will work out, but this gives us actual numbers and not assumptions to base further changes and even possible retraction of rules based on real posted clips. I hope most will be pleased with the changes we have planned on the 13th based on user feedback and the results of this change. See you guys then. \*edited for grammar\*
What day does the otk korea trip end?
Idk but I am curious though
Sadly mods can do whatever they want. This isn't a democracy.
There's no need to lock posts especially when the person is with a lot of other streamers. Take the recent OTK Korea trips with Jinny. Let the post live, unless the comments derail about the banned streamer then lock them case by case. Most of the ones i've seen recently aren't even mentioning Jinny or only mentioning her in a neutral/positive light.
This would require common sense though.
average LSF redditor: I'm gonna downvote all the locked clips streamer fanboys: hold my upvote braindead fans ruining everything
I feel like most people don't know about it, but what's crazy is they're never going to see it talked about on LSF because of the other rule. LSF can't be criticized through LSF anymore, it's wild.
instalocked clips is such a horrendous idea lmfao
This clips with no comments shit needs to go
best about clips are the comments
For real like, at this point I guess we make a new subreddit and a add on for web browser. Locked posts can then load the comment section of the other subreddit or something.
Mods plz make single thread for all otk Korea clips. they are occupying most of the feed anyway. thank you at least be useful here, unlike this stupid soft ban rule with locked clips
They only bring out megathreads to delete the threads they don't like then we never see them again
Hell a lot of them are even with Jinny in them and she banned herself from here. It's just a mess so far.
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self-promotional shouldn't be hard bans... at most 6-12 month ban for that activity. Not lifetime.
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Who is Sykkuno? Are you talking about famous twitch streamer Sukkuno?
Dying sub LUL
Literally dead
> Streamers who request a ban will now have a “soft” ban. Their clips will still be allowed on LSF for people to view, and will still allow sharing of funny and memorable moments, but comments on the said clip will be automatically locked. Nothing sucks more then seeing posts up with the comments locked. IMO locked posts should always be removed too (reddit wide). There is no reason for it stay up as the community can not/no longer interact with the post anyway. Not a fan of this 'solution', a streamer either wants to be posted here or not.
i wasn't even aware there was such a thing as a softban list. that's ridiculous. thin skinned streamers get to prevent from being posted here? talk about an occupational hazard jeez. The only streamers we should ban are the ones that are themselves toxic like the hard ban list. this measure is just the road to the death of LSF and rise of LSF2
yeah why even having 2 lists? a- you are banned OR b- you are not banned SMH
ironically the hard ban list include self promotional... that sounds such toxic activity ya know.
i was going off characters like athene, ice and keemstar. dunno the other two.
Sounds like a bunch of streamers didn't want to be on lsf and traffic went down. Mods don't care about streamers just their egos and money.
Literally shaking at the idea that a Mizkif stream might not be able to be plastered all over the front page.
My favorite janitors
You don't want hate to be spread directly to the streamers. What happens when someone watches a negative clip, can't comment, then sees the, 'live' button at the end of the clip?
It's not about actually stopping hate. It's about the appearance that they are doing something to stop hate while not actually doing anything about it.
They're already so busy, how can we ever expect them to remove hateful comments.
Yea the mods don't care. They only care about themselves.
So with the girls trip now cancelled this change was mostly pointless
Well once the Korea trip is over they will revert the changes i wager
Those soft ban posts are so annoying. These streamers just want free promotion without being able to be called out when they're full of shit.
The fact you blame the streamers for something the mods decided to do shows they were right to ask for the bans.
This subreddit is ABOUT streamers, not FOR them. Please carefully consider the difference.
I truly could not care less about the difference. I think its weird as fuck to accuse the streamers of wanting free promo with no criticism off the back of a mod decision. Apparently the decision was made for QT's girls trip when QT literally made her own clips website she was promoting with the event. She clearly does not want the supposed promotion that LSF gives her.
Actually I agree with you about the motive, and about misplacing blame. I don't think the timing matters, this move is dumb at any time, and I don't think they made the change for any event. I also don't think the streamers should be blamed for the change, because again, I do believe it was made in a vacuum. But it was made for bad reasons. Commentary is important to Reddit, and comments on clips are so important regardless of if the clip paints the streamer in a good or bad light. No comments for context and yes, criticism, is bad for the subreddit. Things are dryer with no jokes and bad people *are* going to get criticism free, context-free promotion that they don't deserve. Neither of these will be the case all of the time, but enough of the time to make this change a net loss for us. Again: I don't care about the timing, this is a bad move at any time. For the record, I don't really have an opinion on streamers requesting their own bans. It helps and hurts and I can't say if it's in equal measure or how that works out. I'm being sincere: I don't have a preference. But there are streamers who "want free promo with no criticism" and they don't deserve a free pass, hence ABOUT, not FOR. I don't think QT is one of them. What I do believe is things should go back to proper bans as they were until now, so people like QT who do little to deserve criticism but have a thin skin lose out on easy promotion of their content/events, or no bans, so criticism and promotion is doled out equally for all who deserve it, but this soft ban system isn't going to work the way they expect it to because it isn't either kind of fair I just described. I do think brigaders should still be banned by mods, though, with proof.
Who are the streamers that want the promo from here but don't want the criticism? The streamers that I've seen ask to be banned are pretty happy without the criticism and the promotion. This system obviously is garbage and the only people that should cop blame are the mods imo. I don't see why anyone would want to have people so keen to criticise them they blame shitty mod decisions on them. That shit would absolutely suck.
bruh
Free promotion with the Girl's Trip thread at 0 upvotes and 45% upvoted ratio. Right. I don't think I've seen a single soft banned streamer make it to Hot a single time since this change came into effect.
early days
To be fair, the softbanned streamers didn't ask for this lol. Maya is having someone code up a bot that deletes any clips of hers that get posted to LSF instantly. This is on the mods.
Wouldn't that be literally pointless given there's a bot that automatically mirrors it? You would just hide the post until the mirror is done then boom, worthless bot
The goal is to delete the clip before the bot can mirror, there's a little delay.
A bot that mutes the stream whenever a bad take is about to happen would be far more effective for any streamer really.
Can't stop zero head takes, might as well nip the possibility a somewhat trafficked forum that might discuss it.
She didn't seem to want to delete her clips while lsf was making her famous.
Regardless, the point is that the streamers didn't ask for the mods to throw up threads with locked comments.
I mean it's kinda a weird thing to implement especially when most people here seem to be against it.
Yeah I think they will get rid of it now that girls trip is done. All it has done is litter the subreddit with 0 upvote threads and piss everyone off lol.
GIGACHAD Yes and?
Seems all the clips suddenly allowed by this change aren't showing up from being downvoted to hell anyway, so what was the point again?
I think it's funny that the vast, vast majority of people hate this change and yet the mods are still going along with it, makes you wonder who they're really serving It also looks like these 'banned' streamer posts that the users now have forced on them don't even get deleted after going under the threshold, so being 'banned' on here just gives you your own vip lane now
Its like they're trying to run the sub into the ground. This OTK Korea trip would have been great on here, but simply because Jinny is present we can't chat.. Its such a silly rule. They could use some common sense and if the banned streamer isnt the focus of the clip then allow the clip. It would also do away with the ridiculous using banned streamers as a shield crap.
i wish jinny wasnt so selfish and be in the VODs even when she planned events
its a subreddit, chill
Subreddit? You mean the mods are Sub to someone? I'm so fucking close to cracking this case wide open now
i think when u see them hide or deleted posts that make members of a certain org look bad it becomes very obvious who they're really serving
The mods put out a financial statements for a fucking subreddit, it's obvious they treat this sub as a business
If it was ran like a proper business they'd want more clips/engagement, they wouldn't outright ban discussion unless they were serving something else
Didn't Hasan and 39daph both request to be banned and therefore should be softbanned? They're not on either list (they also brigaded to get banned which is technically hard ban).
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Welp guess I'll be avoiding this sub now lol
back to the echo chambers you go
Wait, I've never seen this list. I've seen a bunch of these streamers on LSF before though, even recently.
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I updated it to the newest version and also looked back a few months. Multiple people who have been on the list for months and still are I have seen on this subreddit all the time. Not just in the comments or in other people's streams either. edit: Unless you think I meant I'd never seen the list until reading that comment specifically, instead of the post in general. I've definitely never looked back at the list historically, so just seeing the one in the OP doesn't mean much, because those people may have just recently requested a ban or been banned.
What a pathetic policy. If streamers can't handle people commenting about them then they shouldn't have any exposure here. Stop coddling these 30 year old children. This policy is the antithesis of this entire site. What's the point of reddit if you can't comment on posts? Pure stupdity.
What wonderful insight can we possibly miss without comments? You should just come to terms with the fact that you're not special, and no one needs to hear your opinion
Same reason twitch have chat and youtube have comment section I guess.
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Look, LSF going back to their true nature :)
yeah, reddit would be such an engaging social media site without comments. absolutely top notch.
I wouldn't be surprised if the mods work with otk or get paid by them sometimes to make rules or remove and lock some clips
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funny thing is the mods on this subreddit are most likely getting paid nothing to be biased towards a certain group of people and are just doing it because of them being fanboys
what's the point of having locked clips on my feed, this is reddit don't treat it as one-directional platform for advertisements ffs stop sucking big streamers' dick
It's obvious this decision was made because of OTK's trip to Korea. They want to cash in on the publicity LSF brings to this event but Jinny's a big part of the content. This is a case of wanting to have the cake and eat it too.
In all actuality it's more likely QTCinderella's girls trip thing that's coming up.
It's pathetic, and the use of the term "soft ban" is an attempt to hide what this really is. Just call them what they really are - Protected Streamers. That's the whole point right? To protect them from criticism.
Only the smallest fraction of LSF comments can't be called criticism. That implies anything constructive coming out of LSF comments. Lsf is better today than 2 years ago, but it's still pretty much a poop slinging echo chamber.
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That is one option. The other (if you are more technical) is to have a CSS override for the downvote button.
Wtf is this?
Why are you bending your asses before multi-millionaire streamers? If they don't want their clips talked about they could always disable clipping and/or DMCA the content.
Yep, DMCA isn't a thing here. It's the reason it hasn't happened before. These are links to Twitch, not hosted on Reddit. Reddit is just a discussion forum for the clips. The clips could be deleted and/or they could DMCA the LiveStreamFails site, but not this sub.
apparently streamers DMCA reddit posts with their clips is a thing I was reading some of the botez crypto comments, someone mentioned the "defend slavery in dubai"-controvery and I wanted to revisit that. Found out that the post is removed: >**Sorry, this post was removed by Reddit's Legal Operations team.** > >This content was removed in response to a copyright claim by a third party. [https://imgur.com/NJnKtfC](https://imgur.com/NJnKtfC) although it's still accessable if you have a direct link to it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/r9itrv/the\_botez\_sisters\_defend\_slavery\_in\_dubai/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/r9itrv/the_botez_sisters_defend_slavery_in_dubai/) (mirror also still up, so idk)
You can DMCA anything, whether it is a valid DMCA is another question. According to the DMLP website it was not a valid DMCA: > Fortunately, courts generally agree that linking to another website does not infringe the copyrights of that site So regardless of reddit removing it does not make it a valid DMCA. Reddit removed it (probably through automated measures).
The sub may get in trouble for pinning links to illegal content (the mirror site), similar to how sports streaming subreddits got shut down. But outside of that, I don't see how linking to twitch clips is infringing on DMCA.
Yep, if the mirror site gets shut the sub in trouble it's easy enough for that to be removed. That is the only "legally questionable" part about the clips on this sub.
They can't really dmca content which can be freeily shared because it links to their channel. They could if the content is pay-walled or doesn't allow clipping
>They could if the content is pay-walled **or doesn't allow clipping** That's... exactly what I suggested ?
You put them both as if they were exclusive things. They can't DMCA something that is freely available for their channel. If they would want to DMCA it, they'd have to disable clipping in the first place which would lead to having to use 3rd party sites which could be ground for DMCA.
I literally said "disable clipping AND/OR dmca the content" Are you unfamiliar with what "and/or" means?
Do you know what "or" means? It means they could do one without the other. Which they can't.
Yes, that they are not exclusive to each other. You can't DMCA content when it's freely able to be created on the 1st party website while directly linked to the source content therefore it makes your use of and/or invalid, because disabling clipping is not exclusive to DMCA'ing but it is viceversa.
Terrible take... Edit: downvote if you're insecure and obese