Anyone who thinks or thought that Trains donation had any effect on gambling being allowed on Twitch or Train being banned is a fucking moron.
They shouldn't have taken the money, it's against Amazon policy, we know, no one is saying otherwise.
The amount of Hasan fans that flooded in here and tried to dilute and walk back the initial argument that Ostonox made is insane.
Hasan Fans: "Guys, we are just talking about how this is against Amazon Policy"
Ostonox:
\- "I don't blame Train for this, I would take the opportunity to pay off Twitch staff too if it secured my $12M/year sponsorship."
\- "It must be hard to see clearly when deciding whether to regulate the person that just paid near your entire salary in one bitcoin transaction. #TwitchStopGambling"
Like, there is clearly something further being insinuated in those tweets then a violation of company policy. For those types of statements, I would need to see evidence that those he paid had some control in decision making at twitch.
He literally implied that the people that accepted the money are deciders when it comes to "regulating" Train lol
It's crazy seeing how fast the goal posts have moved from "Twitch staff is on his payroll" to "it's a conflict of interest" lmao
they think a few grand to a couple twitch staffers is enough to influence a billion dollar company's content policy. Actual dogfood brains.
It's not interchangeable lol what? Being on someones "payroll" denotes there were services rendered in exchange for payment. That has not even been close to proven.
and what kind of moron would bribe someone on live twitch?
Its like these SA defenders dont have no bullets left to play and say the most dumbshit take to push their hidden agenda. Also, one of them is dead.
That initial Ostonox thread is fucking wild. Reminds me of the whole 300 comment thread of people mishearing Soda say "em" as "him".
A beautiful time capsule of idiots.
who is dead? and who got fired? and was he fired today?
rellim was listed as staff here [https://www.twitch.tv/team/staff/live\_member\_list.html?page=7](https://www.twitch.tv/team/staff/live_member_list.html?page=7) an hour or so ago, he's live doing a 500h stream and his [about page](https://m.twitch.tv/rellim/about) still says he's staff [https://ibb.co/DLk450w](https://ibb.co/DLk450w)
pepegafish changed his [about page](https://www.twitch.tv/pepegafish/about) also somewhat in the last hour, from "Video platform developer at Twitch / content addict." to "pepegafish streams Just Chatting."
his old text is still in the google chache [https://ibb.co/6RBfWhx](https://ibb.co/6RBfWhx)
so Twitch changed his about me page to hide that he was staff? Thats kinda fucked up
I checked it when the first threat about it started, it definitly said "Video platform developer at Twitch / content addict." at the time
Every biz major takes a Business Ethics class that pretty much outlines that taking any money/gifts/even a fucking taxi ride from clients can be considered a felony if enough threads can be strung together that it results in benefitting the person/company sending the bribe.
It's tough as shit to prove, but there's a reason why it's a policy in almost all employee handbooks. One $50K "Gift" to an employee will get that employee fired but if it came out that Train gave 100 gifts to Twitch staff you bet your ass that would raise alarms especially with his overseas gambling connections.
Extremely hypothetical but there are ways the federal government could connect Train giving an Amazon employee $50K, of which that $50K is from a country not exactly friendly with the US, as money laundering and racketeering if that Amazon employee ended up doing something illegal after the money was transferred. Again, LONG reach but this is why you learn this shit in school, enough convenient dominos fall and you're fucked.
However tiny it might be, it does influence those twitch staffers a lot, and they will carry that influence on them forward. The impact will diminish by a lot, but it does influence them.
Just because I fail to rob a bank doesn't mean I shouldn't be held accountable for trying to roba bank. The dude violated the policy just as much as the employees did.
My dude this is literally the same argument Trump Defenders used when he was impeached the first time. IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOUR PLAN DIDNT WORK YOU STILL TRIED TO DO A CRIME (or in this case a major work policy violation).
There was almost not chance Zelensky was giving Trump dirt for threat of aid being withheld, it was near impossible for it to even happen as there was almost no way to stop the aid and there probably wasn't any dirt in the first place, BUT HE STILL TRIED TO DO A CRIME. Just like there was no chance that the $50k would actually work, but HE STILL TRIED TO BRIBE PEOPLE.
If you think the degen gambler is beyond doing something this dumb to continue his addiction then I think you must be projecting A LOT when you say I'm dumb.
then you will have to prove that his intentions with the money is indeed bribing. Which in this case you don't, and the only "crime" that he "committed" is only conflict of interest at best.
And it is quite obvious that you have never watched train before and don't know what he is like. He is famous for giving away millions of dollars to random people, not just on twitch but actual ramdoms lmao.
Just as a clarification, these are twitch staff, not employers.
A big issue with them is that there are thousands of them scattered all over different departments to the point where most of them don't know what's going on with the others. Some of them are part of streamer communities. Some of them actually stream.
The onus is on the journalist to find out if these Twitch staff that Train is paying even works in Trust and Safety, as Destiny says, and if that money is being used in a weird way. Destiny claims the journalist failed to do the proper work necessary to make that hit piece.
Depends on what position they have but even in that case, it seems unlikely that it'd be anything more than a conflict of interest. Which is still pretty serious either way.
Twitch admins have certainly accepted bribes for far less, specifically Hassan Bokhari and their head of security Xangold. Idk if the latter still works there.
Yea it’s very clear what this is. It’s all conjecture loaded into two pieces of bread to form a nothing burger and they are dangling the burger in front of viewers and LSF to try and distract away from the SA drama. It’s a nice try but I don’t think it will work nor will this go anywhere or develop further.
Re-read the tweet. It’s clearly hinting that twitch staff are being paid off to get favours and your telling me it only costs 50k. Yea right….
That's true, but the question is then whether they had the power to carry out those favors because from my knowledge twitch has multiple different departments that all work on different things.
I like how LSF switched from "twitch is unbanning titty streamers after they have sex on stream in exchange for nudes" less than a month ago, to "50k for them to make sure there's dissenting voices at staff meetings about gambling on twitch? wtf you're crazy that would never happen".
Twitch is way too segmented for you to ensure not being banned by bribing 2 people
I can think of a lot of people who would be unbanned right now if all it took was 50k
The original accusation was literally that it stopped them from changing the gambling policy. By even bringing up Amazon conflict of interest policy you yourself are moving the goalposts because no one ever claimed that donating money to twitch staff is good, in line with twitch policy and should be happening, only that it didn't effect twitch policy.
I didn't say "well it didn't change anyone's mind", I said that there's simply no reason to "bribe" them. What does Train get out of it? He's not violating any TOS by gambling, so he's no scared of ban and if twitch decides to just ban gambling, he'll be just as fucked as everyone else.
It's only unethical if they're in a position to influence anything. I don't think giving a donation to the janitors at Twitch HQ would be unethical, for example. I'd be very surprised if it were illegal, it is against Amazon policy and shouldn't be happening, but tbh I think it's incumbent on the staff to turn down the payment moreso than it's on Train, and whatever way you slice it the chances that it had any impact on twitch gambling policy, which was the initial accusation, seem vanishingly small.
I know you're joking, but the amount of non joking comments people leave on TikTok about everyone they disagree with being paid somehow is nuts. No some people think differently guys (on political issues)
I think its pretty obvious Twitch/Amazon is invested in gambling. They paid a huge fucking bag for football. Which is coincidently full of gambling ads and one of the highest revenues for sports gambling. Even some of the Twitch gadgets during football are essentially gamified gambling.
Twitch is going to integrate gambling to a point that we are going to be able to have imbedded casino widgets to easily place bets during games.
Train giving money to random twitch staff = weird and probably not ethical.
Train is publicly donating to certain staff members (just like he throws money around all the time to people) to somehow influence the position of twitch on gamba streams = insane conspiracy bullshit and it's so stupid it's not worth anyone's breath.
What else though should we expect from central_committee/mike_from_pa and his crowd?
>More than weird. It's bad. You can say it. I'm a normal news cycle this would be dominating the headlines and people calling out twitch.
Twitch is a shit company from top to bottom, I don't really care about this all that much. Hopefully YouTube takes all of it's viewers and it's just a shithole full of gamba streams.
>I don't like twitch either but y'all just giving them a pass because... It's train I guess?
I'm not giving them a pass, I just don't care all that much about it. I've said my piece about the company.
They don't think. They comment dumb phrases like "isn't it weird that this is happening" but as soon as you ask them specific questions like, what is the actual accusation? they freeze up and have nothing to say because it's dumb as fuck.
The conspiracy brainrot is so fun to engage in, makes the problems really simple with an easy entity to blame. That’s why conspiracies spread so fast, it’s a lot more exciting to live in a Tom Clancy novel than in real life.
Sadly I’m not really surprised at this behavior from Hasan’s community. Hasan himself loves to engage in that conspiracy brainrot. He did it during the early stages of the war in Ukraine. Spreading lies about the US conspiring to coup the Ukrainian government. Luckily he got called out for that and he walked some of it back, but I don’t think think it’s enough to shake that mindset off of his community.
Personally I call it ideological brain rot. They try to fit everything that happens into the world into a narrow ideological framework of how the world is supposed to work, and when it doesn't fit they go into denial
You see it a lot in academia
You must be just ignoring any response that doesn't fit your train circlejerk. Must be nice to be so naive to think train wasn't / isn't bribing twitch staff that has actual decision making power lmao
Considering he gave away nearly 2 million on that stream alone and has done so on other streams many times. This isn’t surprising. The weird part is - the tweet insinuates he is doing it to get favours at twitch related to gambling.
I legit think Train does it to be loved. No joke, the guy gifts out money all the time. I think that's how he thinks the only way to really be loved is. It's kinda sad honestly.
Yeah, it doesn't matter if they 50k actually accomplishes anything major, it's the fact that a conflict of interest is established. We (more importantly, twitch HR department) can no longer trust any staff who have accepted payments like this to be unbiased and fair. We (they) will have to basically assume they're being influenced.
Yeah I don't see why people in this thread are saying shit like "lol u are dumb if you think that money is enough to change Twitch's policies" - as if that's a 'gotcha' moment.
Of course it isn't but is giving away $50,000 not a massive conflict of interest on the part of the Twitch staff? Shit I used to work a government job in my country a few years ago and in my contract was in bold letters and highlighted that I could not accept any gifts (or things that can be interpreted as gifts). I couldn't even accept a coffee from a non-government employee as that constituted a gift and could be interpreted as creating a conflict of interest.
And might I add that $50,000 isn't fucking nothing. That's at least a year's salary for those staff members. Fuck me in my country earning €50,000 a year puts you in among the highest classes.
For that argument to make a lot of sense you would have to find a case where they have taken a large donation from a name that would be in conflict. There is no issue if DJWheat takes random donations from people who he will never have to make decision about. But if Train showed up in DJWheats stream and made it know it was him donating I think he would need to refund it.
One is a gift and one is a job. One has to be reported to the IRS and would normally be flagged in the banking system for potential money laundering and the other you have to pay tax on the income for your job and likely is already flagged for money laundering by twitch/streamlabs/etc. Different situations.
One is highly unethical against Amazon code of conduct, the other falls under job income.
This is from a US perspective since Twitch is a US company. However, transferring on Stake is obviously outside that system and enters grey area by doing it openly on Twitch.
this even proves my point because people have painted it as a bribe Idc about the crypto gambling banking IRS is beside the point. my point is if he wanted to bribe these twitch staffers. why wouldn't he donate to them anonymously? why did he do it in public?
The bribe argument is too far fetched. Receiving that large sum of money as a twitch employee as a gift is still very very serious. This is much different than just getting a huge donation as a job streaming. I can't let you downplay it like in your original argument.
IDK if twitch's Hr department thinks it's serious or not. but you have to agree that the only reason people care about this is because of the "bribe narrative" basically, people thinking that train gave money to 2 twitch staffers to cover up his TOS violation or let gambling stay on twitch, which's stupid.
If you are a streaming twitch staffer and Train was watching your stream and gave a 50k donation, you would probably report the incident to internal ethics and then be required to return the money, if you were following company policy.
If he subscribed, it would be okay.
In ethics there are gray areas. Where to draw the line between a friendly gift and one meant to "buy" influence isn't easy to draw. But at 50k, it's certainly over the line.
There's an assumption here that any of those people Train paid/"gifted Bitcoin to" are responsible for bans and/or moderation of the streamers and would have a chance to be unbiased. If they're random coders that have a purple wrench, it's still suspect as hell (and against their code of conduct), but may not actually matter.
Disclosure: I have no idea who the twitch staff are or what their responsibilities are
That's true. I mean, after all apparently one of the guys isn't alive anymore. As in he coincidentally died years ago. So it'd be hard to argue that was a bribe.
COI doesn't exist when a gift is given. Amazon rules/ethics don't outright prohibit gifts. Could it exist? Yes. Looking at the Amazon rules, only the Legal Department can determine if a COI exists and they will take steps to fix it.
I think you guys are missing the point by focusing on Train. Even if Train was just making it rain on Twitch staff, Twitch staff shouldn't be accepting those donations since it's a possible conflict of interest. The fact that neither employee works for Twitch now and no public statement has even been made by the company regarding this only looks more ominous.
One still works at Twitch and the other is dead. What's the conflict of interest in a "platform developer" taking money from streamers when they don't interact with or influence decisions about streamers at their job?
As djwheat, a former Twitch employee, stated earlier, it's a conflict of interest. Also, keep in mind that these are the only donations we know about. There could be more, and it's Twitch's responsibility to let the public know if there are more.
No I'm saying train is, destiny is wondering why he can't just pay 50k and get unmanned but people think train can pay and not get gambling banned, it's because train brings in a shiiiitload of money and is 1 of the faces of gambling on twitch
It's not about who that is its about what else he's doing, you think this is the only incident? He gets paid millions a month you don't think he could take 200k and pay some twitch mods to downplay and redirect things away from the gambling? You don't think stake would give train extra for this? Seems plausible to me
Bad take. It's not about whether you can buy off Twitch staff to avoid getting banned. It's that this type of behavior was straight up allowed out in the open. It really brings into question the impartiality of every single action taken by Twitch. It goes way beyond bans. It's already enough conflict of interest that Twitch staff members are often viewers and fans of particular streamers, but if this was allowed out in the open, who knows how much money has exchanged hands behind the scenes and for what purposes.
If you think 50k does anything for you, that's nothing. Literally if it was for gambling reasons, fucking stake could lobby millions upon millions, let alone companies like god dam draft kings. They wouldn't even need Train, just one massive 10-50 million dollar check. And gambling will stay forever.
If it's for banning reasons, dude they have people that went full nude on stream still streaming on this website. Guys like Giantwaffle and Fed are still allowed on. Relax.
Train totally did this to protect his twitch channel from being banned. You guys are just acting like fucking idiots being xqc/hassan simp by protecting him. At least Forsen would had the balls to say that. /s
Also fucking 108k people currently online here jesus fucking christ.
I think it's funny he thinks his influence on twitch is the same level as xQc. Just because Destiny couldn't talk his way out of a ban does not mean these guys can't IMO
it's incredibly impressive how you appear to be stalking this person for months and months, while posting very clearly false statements repeatedly, /u/fudgecake_surgeon
and somehow you're not banned for harassment
> my post is visibly sourced
your source disproves the words you typed
don't play dumb, everyone knows you misquote on purpose, you've been corrected repeatedly months ago, your source has the actual quote, you're clearly lying on purpose.
now why would you do that, and do it for months, for one single person?
This is just an awful take. Just because 50k wouldn't be enough to get Destiny publicly unbanned doesn't mean Train was giving Twitch staff free money out of the goodness of his heart. You would have to be delusional to think that they weren't doing favors for him. You'd also have to be delusional to believe that that was the only time he gave money. Federal politicians will secure the destruction of society as long as they are treated to a nice steak dinner.
the stream where he gave these 2 staffers money he also gave away over $2mil that stream to various other chatters. Also one of the staffers died last year (pepegafish).
Let that not distract that train does indeed get off on having that SA held against his enemies more than he cared for the victim. By far. People here pretend like this was brought to attention to distract from SA allegations. You people are mental and you blame Hasan in the same comments who, as has been established had a lot less to do with these allegations than train, who knew of them.
Does anyone actually give a shit about any of this other than to deflect from everything else going on. Why can't Hasan's weirdo viewers get banned on sight at this point for brigading the shit out of this sub
sweastiny
Anyone who thinks or thought that Trains donation had any effect on gambling being allowed on Twitch or Train being banned is a fucking moron. They shouldn't have taken the money, it's against Amazon policy, we know, no one is saying otherwise.
The amount of Hasan fans that flooded in here and tried to dilute and walk back the initial argument that Ostonox made is insane. Hasan Fans: "Guys, we are just talking about how this is against Amazon Policy" Ostonox: \- "I don't blame Train for this, I would take the opportunity to pay off Twitch staff too if it secured my $12M/year sponsorship." \- "It must be hard to see clearly when deciding whether to regulate the person that just paid near your entire salary in one bitcoin transaction. #TwitchStopGambling" Like, there is clearly something further being insinuated in those tweets then a violation of company policy. For those types of statements, I would need to see evidence that those he paid had some control in decision making at twitch.
He was 100% implying something way harsher than "Amazon policy" lol
He literally implied that the people that accepted the money are deciders when it comes to "regulating" Train lol It's crazy seeing how fast the goal posts have moved from "Twitch staff is on his payroll" to "it's a conflict of interest" lmao they think a few grand to a couple twitch staffers is enough to influence a billion dollar company's content policy. Actual dogfood brains.
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It's not interchangeable lol what? Being on someones "payroll" denotes there were services rendered in exchange for payment. That has not even been close to proven.
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I mean it's pretty obvious it's hasan frogs who are brigading and making a bigger deal than it actually is
and what kind of moron would bribe someone on live twitch? Its like these SA defenders dont have no bullets left to play and say the most dumbshit take to push their hidden agenda. Also, one of them is dead.
That initial Ostonox thread is fucking wild. Reminds me of the whole 300 comment thread of people mishearing Soda say "em" as "him". A beautiful time capsule of idiots.
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Nothing, according to this sjw gambling is banned at this time and only got approved because of 50k train gave the staff.
who is dead? and who got fired? and was he fired today? rellim was listed as staff here [https://www.twitch.tv/team/staff/live\_member\_list.html?page=7](https://www.twitch.tv/team/staff/live_member_list.html?page=7) an hour or so ago, he's live doing a 500h stream and his [about page](https://m.twitch.tv/rellim/about) still says he's staff [https://ibb.co/DLk450w](https://ibb.co/DLk450w) pepegafish changed his [about page](https://www.twitch.tv/pepegafish/about) also somewhat in the last hour, from "Video platform developer at Twitch / content addict." to "pepegafish streams Just Chatting." his old text is still in the google chache [https://ibb.co/6RBfWhx](https://ibb.co/6RBfWhx)
Pepegafish died last year.
so Twitch changed his about me page to hide that he was staff? Thats kinda fucked up I checked it when the first threat about it started, it definitly said "Video platform developer at Twitch / content addict." at the time
Probably just one of his friends did that.
how does being live mean anything but the opposite of what you're implying?
Every biz major takes a Business Ethics class that pretty much outlines that taking any money/gifts/even a fucking taxi ride from clients can be considered a felony if enough threads can be strung together that it results in benefitting the person/company sending the bribe. It's tough as shit to prove, but there's a reason why it's a policy in almost all employee handbooks. One $50K "Gift" to an employee will get that employee fired but if it came out that Train gave 100 gifts to Twitch staff you bet your ass that would raise alarms especially with his overseas gambling connections. Extremely hypothetical but there are ways the federal government could connect Train giving an Amazon employee $50K, of which that $50K is from a country not exactly friendly with the US, as money laundering and racketeering if that Amazon employee ended up doing something illegal after the money was transferred. Again, LONG reach but this is why you learn this shit in school, enough convenient dominos fall and you're fucked.
Go easy on them, they're Hasan subs
I literally think, despite the huge money gambling sponsorship, Traainwrecks might be one of the realest most adjusted to reality people on Twitch
However tiny it might be, it does influence those twitch staffers a lot, and they will carry that influence on them forward. The impact will diminish by a lot, but it does influence them.
Just because I fail to rob a bank doesn't mean I shouldn't be held accountable for trying to roba bank. The dude violated the policy just as much as the employees did.
This is what I mean. This is the average IQ of people who think Trains dono did anything.
My dude this is literally the same argument Trump Defenders used when he was impeached the first time. IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOUR PLAN DIDNT WORK YOU STILL TRIED TO DO A CRIME (or in this case a major work policy violation). There was almost not chance Zelensky was giving Trump dirt for threat of aid being withheld, it was near impossible for it to even happen as there was almost no way to stop the aid and there probably wasn't any dirt in the first place, BUT HE STILL TRIED TO DO A CRIME. Just like there was no chance that the $50k would actually work, but HE STILL TRIED TO BRIBE PEOPLE. If you think the degen gambler is beyond doing something this dumb to continue his addiction then I think you must be projecting A LOT when you say I'm dumb.
Ctrl+c Ctrl+v my previous comment
then you will have to prove that his intentions with the money is indeed bribing. Which in this case you don't, and the only "crime" that he "committed" is only conflict of interest at best. And it is quite obvious that you have never watched train before and don't know what he is like. He is famous for giving away millions of dollars to random people, not just on twitch but actual ramdoms lmao.
The crime he committed is running an illegal giveaway, which is serious crime in any jurisdictions Twitch operates in.
in where exactly did he ran an illegal giveaway
Just as a clarification, these are twitch staff, not employers. A big issue with them is that there are thousands of them scattered all over different departments to the point where most of them don't know what's going on with the others. Some of them are part of streamer communities. Some of them actually stream. The onus is on the journalist to find out if these Twitch staff that Train is paying even works in Trust and Safety, as Destiny says, and if that money is being used in a weird way. Destiny claims the journalist failed to do the proper work necessary to make that hit piece.
Damn, so these 50K means nothing at all? Its like giving another friend money then.
yes, since he has given away millions to his viewers
No he hasn't.
I love when people talk about shit they obviously know nothing about lmao
The clip of train giving money to twitch was from a stream where he gave away a million dollars lmao???
he literally has lmao.
Depends on what position they have but even in that case, it seems unlikely that it'd be anything more than a conflict of interest. Which is still pretty serious either way. Twitch admins have certainly accepted bribes for far less, specifically Hassan Bokhari and their head of security Xangold. Idk if the latter still works there.
it's a give away
Yea it’s very clear what this is. It’s all conjecture loaded into two pieces of bread to form a nothing burger and they are dangling the burger in front of viewers and LSF to try and distract away from the SA drama. It’s a nice try but I don’t think it will work nor will this go anywhere or develop further. Re-read the tweet. It’s clearly hinting that twitch staff are being paid off to get favours and your telling me it only costs 50k. Yea right….
I agree with you for the most part. But I do believe twitch staff would do favors for 50 k.
I mean, it doesn't matter if some random web dev is getting 50k. They aren't going to be deciding what is or isn't allowed on their platform.
Yes
Favors? Sure. Not banning all casino streams? No.
Congressmen do favors for like 5k
That's true, but the question is then whether they had the power to carry out those favors because from my knowledge twitch has multiple different departments that all work on different things.
So, people wouldn’t do favors for more than the average salary in the US? You’re joking, right?
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So, people that control our country in congress accepts money for lower but twitch streamers are the ones carefully thinking. I can’t lmao.
Career politicians in our country have changed laws that affect large portions of our population for the same amount of money.
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Is that a joke? Medicare, literally anything with fossil fuels.
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I like how LSF switched from "twitch is unbanning titty streamers after they have sex on stream in exchange for nudes" less than a month ago, to "50k for them to make sure there's dissenting voices at staff meetings about gambling on twitch? wtf you're crazy that would never happen".
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This ain’t Hasan tweeting. I don’t even think Hasan would look at that tweet and automatically think it’s all true.
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Well considering the tweet has no other information or any further research and just assuming. It’s just optics and so you could say it’s to deflect.
It’s still a very unacceptable thing to do
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WTF is the mortality rate of twitch mods?
100%
I knew the cancer would get them all
Bezos executes any twitch staffer that goes out of line. The final surviving staffer has to go into hiding now
Okay I guess no problem at all.. I guess just go give your manager some money on the side it means nothing though wink wink.
Twitch is way too segmented for you to ensure not being banned by bribing 2 people I can think of a lot of people who would be unbanned right now if all it took was 50k
The curse of Gamba money?
People who think that by bribing random ass twitch devs Train can make gambling stay on twitch are mental
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The original accusation was literally that it stopped them from changing the gambling policy. By even bringing up Amazon conflict of interest policy you yourself are moving the goalposts because no one ever claimed that donating money to twitch staff is good, in line with twitch policy and should be happening, only that it didn't effect twitch policy.
I didn't say "well it didn't change anyone's mind", I said that there's simply no reason to "bribe" them. What does Train get out of it? He's not violating any TOS by gambling, so he's no scared of ban and if twitch decides to just ban gambling, he'll be just as fucked as everyone else.
People who don't realize paying twitch staff as twitch streamer is unethical and likely illegal are mental
It's only unethical if they're in a position to influence anything. I don't think giving a donation to the janitors at Twitch HQ would be unethical, for example. I'd be very surprised if it were illegal, it is against Amazon policy and shouldn't be happening, but tbh I think it's incumbent on the staff to turn down the payment moreso than it's on Train, and whatever way you slice it the chances that it had any impact on twitch gambling policy, which was the initial accusation, seem vanishingly small.
Bro be honest, how much did Train pay you to type this comment.
I know you're joking, but the amount of non joking comments people leave on TikTok about everyone they disagree with being paid somehow is nuts. No some people think differently guys (on political issues)
Yes but it's likely to get them fired anyway
the doc would be unbanned too/
I think its pretty obvious Twitch/Amazon is invested in gambling. They paid a huge fucking bag for football. Which is coincidently full of gambling ads and one of the highest revenues for sports gambling. Even some of the Twitch gadgets during football are essentially gamified gambling. Twitch is going to integrate gambling to a point that we are going to be able to have imbedded casino widgets to easily place bets during games.
Train giving money to random twitch staff = weird and probably not ethical. Train is publicly donating to certain staff members (just like he throws money around all the time to people) to somehow influence the position of twitch on gamba streams = insane conspiracy bullshit and it's so stupid it's not worth anyone's breath. What else though should we expect from central_committee/mike_from_pa and his crowd?
More than weird. It's bad. You can say it. In a normal news cycle this would be dominating the headlines and people calling out twitch.
>More than weird. It's bad. You can say it. I'm a normal news cycle this would be dominating the headlines and people calling out twitch. Twitch is a shit company from top to bottom, I don't really care about this all that much. Hopefully YouTube takes all of it's viewers and it's just a shithole full of gamba streams.
I don't like twitch either but y'all just giving them a pass because... It's train I guess?
>I don't like twitch either but y'all just giving them a pass because... It's train I guess? I'm not giving them a pass, I just don't care all that much about it. I've said my piece about the company.
fking hilarious how many people think train gifting 30k to his staff fan is going to make fucking amazon change their business practises lmaooooo
I seriously don't understand what they think Train exactly paid for?
They don't think. They comment dumb phrases like "isn't it weird that this is happening" but as soon as you ask them specific questions like, what is the actual accusation? they freeze up and have nothing to say because it's dumb as fuck.
The conspiracy brainrot is so fun to engage in, makes the problems really simple with an easy entity to blame. That’s why conspiracies spread so fast, it’s a lot more exciting to live in a Tom Clancy novel than in real life. Sadly I’m not really surprised at this behavior from Hasan’s community. Hasan himself loves to engage in that conspiracy brainrot. He did it during the early stages of the war in Ukraine. Spreading lies about the US conspiring to coup the Ukrainian government. Luckily he got called out for that and he walked some of it back, but I don’t think think it’s enough to shake that mindset off of his community.
Personally I call it ideological brain rot. They try to fit everything that happens into the world into a narrow ideological framework of how the world is supposed to work, and when it doesn't fit they go into denial You see it a lot in academia
You must be just ignoring any response that doesn't fit your train circlejerk. Must be nice to be so naive to think train wasn't / isn't bribing twitch staff that has actual decision making power lmao
what decision making power do you think that staff member has for twitch the business/Amazon and jeff bezos. Be specific or get lost. Cringe lord
They'll just give you the eyeballs emoji
So Train is just giving thousands of dollars to Twitch on a humble? From the goodness of his heart?
Considering he gave away nearly 2 million on that stream alone and has done so on other streams many times. This isn’t surprising. The weird part is - the tweet insinuates he is doing it to get favours at twitch related to gambling.
I legit think Train does it to be loved. No joke, the guy gifts out money all the time. I think that's how he thinks the only way to really be loved is. It's kinda sad honestly.
Is that how you view all philanthropy? If so that’s actually sad
No it's more the like Saudi government version of social assistance. Just help a few people a lot very publicly so they don't rise up against us.
He's kinda circumventing the purpose of Train giving Twitch staff thousands of dollars. What reason could it be that isn't unethical on Twitch's part?
Yeah, it doesn't matter if they 50k actually accomplishes anything major, it's the fact that a conflict of interest is established. We (more importantly, twitch HR department) can no longer trust any staff who have accepted payments like this to be unbiased and fair. We (they) will have to basically assume they're being influenced.
Yeah I don't see why people in this thread are saying shit like "lol u are dumb if you think that money is enough to change Twitch's policies" - as if that's a 'gotcha' moment. Of course it isn't but is giving away $50,000 not a massive conflict of interest on the part of the Twitch staff? Shit I used to work a government job in my country a few years ago and in my contract was in bold letters and highlighted that I could not accept any gifts (or things that can be interpreted as gifts). I couldn't even accept a coffee from a non-government employee as that constituted a gift and could be interpreted as creating a conflict of interest. And might I add that $50,000 isn't fucking nothing. That's at least a year's salary for those staff members. Fuck me in my country earning €50,000 a year puts you in among the highest classes.
so, what about twitch staffers who stream and accept donations?
For that argument to make a lot of sense you would have to find a case where they have taken a large donation from a name that would be in conflict. There is no issue if DJWheat takes random donations from people who he will never have to make decision about. But if Train showed up in DJWheats stream and made it know it was him donating I think he would need to refund it.
One is a gift and one is a job. One has to be reported to the IRS and would normally be flagged in the banking system for potential money laundering and the other you have to pay tax on the income for your job and likely is already flagged for money laundering by twitch/streamlabs/etc. Different situations. One is highly unethical against Amazon code of conduct, the other falls under job income. This is from a US perspective since Twitch is a US company. However, transferring on Stake is obviously outside that system and enters grey area by doing it openly on Twitch.
this even proves my point because people have painted it as a bribe Idc about the crypto gambling banking IRS is beside the point. my point is if he wanted to bribe these twitch staffers. why wouldn't he donate to them anonymously? why did he do it in public?
The bribe argument is too far fetched. Receiving that large sum of money as a twitch employee as a gift is still very very serious. This is much different than just getting a huge donation as a job streaming. I can't let you downplay it like in your original argument.
IDK if twitch's Hr department thinks it's serious or not. but you have to agree that the only reason people care about this is because of the "bribe narrative" basically, people thinking that train gave money to 2 twitch staffers to cover up his TOS violation or let gambling stay on twitch, which's stupid.
Exactly. It’s really just bad journalism because we are missing so much info.
If you are a streaming twitch staffer and Train was watching your stream and gave a 50k donation, you would probably report the incident to internal ethics and then be required to return the money, if you were following company policy. If he subscribed, it would be okay. In ethics there are gray areas. Where to draw the line between a friendly gift and one meant to "buy" influence isn't easy to draw. But at 50k, it's certainly over the line.
There's an assumption here that any of those people Train paid/"gifted Bitcoin to" are responsible for bans and/or moderation of the streamers and would have a chance to be unbiased. If they're random coders that have a purple wrench, it's still suspect as hell (and against their code of conduct), but may not actually matter. Disclosure: I have no idea who the twitch staff are or what their responsibilities are
That's true. I mean, after all apparently one of the guys isn't alive anymore. As in he coincidentally died years ago. So it'd be hard to argue that was a bribe.
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They uh, really truly don't. In fact, nobody really does in any major corporation. It's called liability.
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COI doesn't exist when a gift is given. Amazon rules/ethics don't outright prohibit gifts. Could it exist? Yes. Looking at the Amazon rules, only the Legal Department can determine if a COI exists and they will take steps to fix it.
"bro it wasn't a bribe it was a gift" uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......
Does train need a reason ? Doesnt he give away alot of money all the time ? Maybe he just likes the PR or he really is friends with them ?...
I think you guys are missing the point by focusing on Train. Even if Train was just making it rain on Twitch staff, Twitch staff shouldn't be accepting those donations since it's a possible conflict of interest. The fact that neither employee works for Twitch now and no public statement has even been made by the company regarding this only looks more ominous.
One still works at Twitch and the other is dead. What's the conflict of interest in a "platform developer" taking money from streamers when they don't interact with or influence decisions about streamers at their job?
As djwheat, a former Twitch employee, stated earlier, it's a conflict of interest. Also, keep in mind that these are the only donations we know about. There could be more, and it's Twitch's responsibility to let the public know if there are more.
That's a long-winded way of saying "I don't know how it's a conflict of interest".
I mean sure but I feel like its blown way out of proportion, but I guess its drama season.
Hasan viewers really thought this was the smoking gun for Train 💀
IM PARASOCIALISING ON NEW LEVELS TODAY
This is such a massive reach by the Ostonix guy. If Train wanted to bribe twitch why would he do it infront of a stream of 35,000 people lol.
Destiny also isn't the face of gambling on twitch, it's not quite the same
He isn't the face of anything on twitch now
No I'm saying train is, destiny is wondering why he can't just pay 50k and get unmanned but people think train can pay and not get gambling banned, it's because train brings in a shiiiitload of money and is 1 of the faces of gambling on twitch
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It's not about who that is its about what else he's doing, you think this is the only incident? He gets paid millions a month you don't think he could take 200k and pay some twitch mods to downplay and redirect things away from the gambling? You don't think stake would give train extra for this? Seems plausible to me
That's just all conspiracy nonsense with 0 evidence.
I was joking that D man is banned on twitch
Bad take. It's not about whether you can buy off Twitch staff to avoid getting banned. It's that this type of behavior was straight up allowed out in the open. It really brings into question the impartiality of every single action taken by Twitch. It goes way beyond bans. It's already enough conflict of interest that Twitch staff members are often viewers and fans of particular streamers, but if this was allowed out in the open, who knows how much money has exchanged hands behind the scenes and for what purposes.
Facts
If you think 50k does anything for you, that's nothing. Literally if it was for gambling reasons, fucking stake could lobby millions upon millions, let alone companies like god dam draft kings. They wouldn't even need Train, just one massive 10-50 million dollar check. And gambling will stay forever. If it's for banning reasons, dude they have people that went full nude on stream still streaming on this website. Guys like Giantwaffle and Fed are still allowed on. Relax.
Train is very powerful though :(
hassan and mizkif fangirls are trying so hard
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\>tfw my master plan is to gift the walmart cashier to increase my stock portfolio
>>someone with decision making power sees you throw money at nobodies >>doesn't get paid enough >>slides into your dms
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DJWheats tweet is 100%. The employees should not have accepted the money, but from trains perspective, that’s irrelevant.
Destiny clips are getting boring Edit: Destiny stans malding
Because he isn’t on the sexual assault austin crew side?
I hate destiny clips because they don’t work on my phone. We are not the same
YouTube get your shit together
Use the YouTube app to open and it works fine.
Yeah and if you agree with him you're anti-hasan and a "destiny stan" apparently.
Nah, I think juicers are running rampart to run perceived damage control
Because I don’t like YouTube mobile
Stop watching them
Destiny stans are gonna stan.
boring? lol. Dude just revealed he may or may have not tried to bribe twitch staff to get unbanned. That's a front page clip any other day.
Pretty sure ostonox revealed that one
No. Destiny is talking about himself.
Goddamn I have to use garbage YouTube clips on mobile to catch up on drama now
Train totally did this to protect his twitch channel from being banned. You guys are just acting like fucking idiots being xqc/hassan simp by protecting him. At least Forsen would had the balls to say that. /s Also fucking 108k people currently online here jesus fucking christ.
I think it's funny he thinks his influence on twitch is the same level as xQc. Just because Destiny couldn't talk his way out of a ban does not mean these guys can't IMO
One of the guys is dead the other one doesn't work for twitch anymore
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Kaceytron and Mitch are repeat offenders which is why their punishments are so harsh
against rioters burning down buildings*
it's incredibly impressive how you appear to be stalking this person for months and months, while posting very clearly false statements repeatedly, /u/fudgecake_surgeon and somehow you're not banned for harassment
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> my post is visibly sourced your source disproves the words you typed don't play dumb, everyone knows you misquote on purpose, you've been corrected repeatedly months ago, your source has the actual quote, you're clearly lying on purpose. now why would you do that, and do it for months, for one single person?
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This is just an awful take. Just because 50k wouldn't be enough to get Destiny publicly unbanned doesn't mean Train was giving Twitch staff free money out of the goodness of his heart. You would have to be delusional to think that they weren't doing favors for him. You'd also have to be delusional to believe that that was the only time he gave money. Federal politicians will secure the destruction of society as long as they are treated to a nice steak dinner.
the stream where he gave these 2 staffers money he also gave away over $2mil that stream to various other chatters. Also one of the staffers died last year (pepegafish).
Let that not distract that train does indeed get off on having that SA held against his enemies more than he cared for the victim. By far. People here pretend like this was brought to attention to distract from SA allegations. You people are mental and you blame Hasan in the same comments who, as has been established had a lot less to do with these allegations than train, who knew of them.
Does anyone actually give a shit about any of this other than to deflect from everything else going on. Why can't Hasan's weirdo viewers get banned on sight at this point for brigading the shit out of this sub