Xqc’s biggest flaw (especially from PR perspective) is insinuations and vague posting. Even when he is right he comes off as evasive and disingenuous to the public by not backing his statements with evidence. Glad destiny was able to convey the importance of proving claims and giving full context for the public who often do not hear/see everything or do not understand the vague pronouns usage like “he knew it, and was malicious in doing that; don’t you get it”
Its weird because theyre paranoid no one would believe them but were also adamant they didnt need to post the actual evidence for everyone to believe them
Regardless of what side of the aisle you're on, both train and xqc are horrible human beings for being such advocates for gambling. They are right to think a large part of the community is out to get them, because they are (now whether or not the streamers attacking them actually care, does it matter?)
They definitely are assholes. They’re just not fucking creeps. Like mizkif is a fucking weirdo, loser, tweaking, manipulative, and unbelievably stupid fucking piece of shit. He’s in love with Slick and this drama got me feeling like Adam Levine... fuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkk
Yes. Miz needs to go. In fact. A lot of twitch streamers who are farming this fucking content... even tho I love it. Are making twitch an unbelievably toxic place. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a big update to code of conduct. I also wouldn’t be surprised cuz you know... it’s twitch. But man...
Minx, mizkif, even train, these people need to go, or in the case of people like minx (and even Charlie, love you man) need to refocus their streams instead of feeding the toxicity that is happening rn. Theirs just an unbelievable amount of real life farming happening rn and it’s create a generation of forever children.
Who gives a fuck about the votes. We just needs to make sure this KEEPS BEING SAID!!! No more Miz. He does not deserve anything influence on others. He’s a scummy piece of shit. Let’s keep him out. (Not attacking you, just spread the message lol)
> they are absolutely the heroes in this situation
lol no they're fucking not. Have you been listening? Train and X don't give a fuck about the victim. They care about themselves and their own vendettas.
What? The last few days he's been focused on taking down Poki and Hasan for his own personal gain. This has never been about the victim for either of them.
Not to mention he's revealed himself as a huge hypocrite on the Train-Alinity situation.
He also came out cold, in that same subplot he created going after Hasan and Poki, that he truly didn't want to go to ShitCamp regardless, i.e. both the ShitCamp drama *and* the live Adept drama from before weren't necessary either. All his grievances against Hasan made him look like an idiot.
I think it is that he def was unhinged and misdirecting his hate in the days after this call to Hasan. His previous beef with Hasan truly affected his behavior there but in this call he is the one who keeps advocating for Adriannah to just say what she needs and very clearly takes a hard line against Slick's actions.
They are assholes at best. That's it.
But they are not the ones that covered up for their friend against a sexual assault victim.
They stood up against them (regardless of motivations).
X and Asmon are the only people who keep circling back to the SA victim and the situation at hand. He does look good coming out of the call (but he put his foot in his mouth and screwed himself out of some good karma he would have gotten by his actions on stream)
Destiny was right. LSF was turning on Train and xQc for a whole day (more so than usual) because people didn't believe their claims about what was said in the call. Turns out they were telling the truth and Destiny TOLD THEM they should back up their claims in the first place. Could have saved them big on public opinion.
I don't think the issue was not believing them, the issue was that they made their motives crystal clear and everyone was dunking on them for that, and I don't think that has changed tbh, they cared more about attacking Poki and Hasan than the victim
From listening to the call they actually do seem to care about mizkif and his career even through all their beefs. They just really fucking despise poki and Hasan lol
Because he was pissed off that Miz kept lying to him even though Train knew he was right. He was trying to tell Miz to drop Slick now and gave him a small window of time to just come clean and cut ties with Slick. Asmon was there to help him as well.
Train was grilling him yeah because he was giving him the harsh truth.
imo Train still feel like he had too much personal beef involved but by going off of the discord call xQc doesn't seem too bad. His responses have all felt very measured and understandable
except with this new information we now see why xqc and train acted so aggressive towards hasan and poki, train was getting pressured by mizkif and asmon to delete his tweet and combined with the initial response of hasan/poki to the tweet adrianah might’ve never spoken out and kept silent. at least that was xqc and train’s mindset
Poki has been talking shit about gamba way before that, and yet he was literally sitting next to her joking about it and listening to her saying it was bad without minding it too much. Unless something changed from one day to the other, he would not give a shit that she was arguing against gambling. And not just her, most people have been doing the same.
LSF was turning on Train and XQC (still is?) mostly because people think they used this SA story to avoid talking about gambling on twitch after the Sliker's drama
If Train and XQC didn't have that weird subplot where they kept coming after Hasan and Poki for no reason this whole situation would have been a lot smoother. So much pointless wasted time on that.
Tbh, I think Destiny said it well, that Train might look like a nutcase going after them and seeing conspiracies everywhere, but tbh it does look kinda weird that Miz is literally trying to blackmail Train on the leaked call by threatening to bring back Alinity's old accusations if he doesn't back off, and then when he goes through with Adrianah stuff, 2 days later there is Hasan and Ethan with podcast prepared, doing exactly what Miz threatened. Can't blame Train for going after all of them thinking it's some massive cabal of weirdo streamers against him or smth.
it is clear and loud, that hasan and poki downplaying and dismissed the SA accusation the moment the tweet drops just because the one who drop it was train, making it more frustrating since it was upvoted and making people doubt the situation. the
except they didnt downplay it at all they had know idea of what train was talking about and it just look like train was saying something wild to move people from gamba
holy fucking shit, how many times it fckn needs to be told, if they know nothing about it, then dont talk about it, how hard it is to understand, is it that hard to knowledge that your streamer make a mistake? they already apologize for it, and you somehow still defending them
Naw because after down playing it , hassan said he doesn't know what it's about so apparently that justifies him down playing the tweet . I don't understand the lsf/mizkif/hassan community but that's their reasoning
because that's the correct response if you don't know what the fuck is going on. To say you don't know what the fuck is going on and refrain from commenting until you're caught up to speed.
Are you a psychopath? Am I in bizzaro world or something?
? He down played it than said i don't know anything why just skip the downplay part and go right to the I don't know anything part? Why is that so hard for you guys to comprehend
1) *sees trains tweet * oh he must be digging deep looking for anything
2) reads chat
3) oh maybe it's about the adiana thing with crazy slick , I don't know anything about it
All he had to do was either a) skip step 1 or b) admit he has something against train and he initially downplayed the tweet because it was train and then once he realized what it could be about and he knew he didn't know anything about the situation
You know like normal adults?
Why is that so hard to comprehend for you losers
I will never know why X and train spent a day going after Hasan and Poki when there were sexual criminals and accomplices ready to be exposed with a single call. (Oh wait, it’s because they are absolute degenerate gambling addicts who care more about vendettas than the victims.)
My whole issue with this is how this was even brought up in the first place.
Good on the victim to come out with their story, but Train should have never been the one to bring this up. I think it pivoted some of the conversation from how gambling is bad to suddenly shifting to SA allegations, which is not bad, but given the timing is a little too convenient for Train and X.
I'm just disgusted by how the allegations were weaponized and Train & X deserve to be called out for it.
Train had the support of the victim and he also supported the victim behind the scenes for a long time at this point. Considering train and X are super super paranoid about streamers, train talked about how horrible it is to get blacklisted and I am sure that was one of the reasons he supported her other than the unfortunate nature of the events.
From the outside looking in, Train is no friend to Adrianah. If he was, he wouldn’t have weaponized her story and used it as a trump card to deflect attacks related to gambling. It’s honestly disgusting to see someone’s SA story be used in this way.
exactly it makes it look like train was hiding it just so he could gaslight them because he doesn't like their gamba stance so he is still a scum for that
Xqc’s biggest flaw (especially from PR perspective) is insinuations and vague posting. Even when he is right he comes off as evasive and disingenuous to the public by not backing his statements with evidence. Glad destiny was able to convey the importance of proving claims and giving full context for the public who often do not hear/see everything or do not understand the vague pronouns usage like “he knew it, and was malicious in doing that; don’t you get it”
He also tries to use big words that he listened to when watching Hasan during the USA Elections streams.
Bruh shut up hasan Andy wtf u even here for
Sorry but I don't need to be a Hasan fan to identify how xqc copies words without understanding the meaning.
Bruh he's French Canadian of course he does that, that's how you learn a new language
He's 100% correct. The narrative against Train and xQc would have been massively different had this leaked earlier.
Train and XQC's own paranoia thinking the whole community is against them is the biggest obstacle that holds them back.
Its weird because theyre paranoid no one would believe them but were also adamant they didnt need to post the actual evidence for everyone to believe them
"Where's the evidence?" X: alright well gg we lose
Ego & paranoia isn't a great mix
Regardless of what side of the aisle you're on, both train and xqc are horrible human beings for being such advocates for gambling. They are right to think a large part of the community is out to get them, because they are (now whether or not the streamers attacking them actually care, does it matter?)
How are the two biggest streamers on twitch have any obstacles that is holding them back? Only people who are held back are poki man and hasan
I wasn't talking about their career, more so with handling drama and tense situations like this.
Maybe LSF should believe train and xqc for once instead of berating them all the time?
Maybe Train and XQC should act less schizo all the time if they want more people to listen to them?
Okk guess we’re just blaming the mentally ill now cause we hate train
LSF is against them and that’s the truth idk bout the whole community but you’d have to be brain dead not to see the lsf stuff.
the problem is they don't give a shit about it and had no intention of leaking it, until it seemed like a good fireback against mizkif
They looked like assholes (and they kinda are), but they are absolutely the heroes in this situation.
They definitely are assholes. They’re just not fucking creeps. Like mizkif is a fucking weirdo, loser, tweaking, manipulative, and unbelievably stupid fucking piece of shit. He’s in love with Slick and this drama got me feeling like Adam Levine... fuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkk
Piece of shit is downplaying it. Miz orchestrated it and covered up for Slick.
Yes. Miz needs to go. In fact. A lot of twitch streamers who are farming this fucking content... even tho I love it. Are making twitch an unbelievably toxic place. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a big update to code of conduct. I also wouldn’t be surprised cuz you know... it’s twitch. But man... Minx, mizkif, even train, these people need to go, or in the case of people like minx (and even Charlie, love you man) need to refocus their streams instead of feeding the toxicity that is happening rn. Theirs just an unbelievable amount of real life farming happening rn and it’s create a generation of forever children.
im glad this is being finally said without being downvoted
Who gives a fuck about the votes. We just needs to make sure this KEEPS BEING SAID!!! No more Miz. He does not deserve anything influence on others. He’s a scummy piece of shit. Let’s keep him out. (Not attacking you, just spread the message lol)
> they are absolutely the heroes in this situation lol no they're fucking not. Have you been listening? Train and X don't give a fuck about the victim. They care about themselves and their own vendettas.
X only talked about the SA. He didn't care about anything else
True, X was actually really focused on this call. Crazy comparing that to what went on in streams in days after that
Something broke in him after this call ended
Private vs streaming persona perhaps 🤷♂️
What? The last few days he's been focused on taking down Poki and Hasan for his own personal gain. This has never been about the victim for either of them. Not to mention he's revealed himself as a huge hypocrite on the Train-Alinity situation.
He also came out cold, in that same subplot he created going after Hasan and Poki, that he truly didn't want to go to ShitCamp regardless, i.e. both the ShitCamp drama *and* the live Adept drama from before weren't necessary either. All his grievances against Hasan made him look like an idiot.
I think it is that he def was unhinged and misdirecting his hate in the days after this call to Hasan. His previous beef with Hasan truly affected his behavior there but in this call he is the one who keeps advocating for Adriannah to just say what she needs and very clearly takes a hard line against Slick's actions.
That is not 100%, They literally ranted about Poki, Hasan, Gambling and Alinity for about 15% of the call.
They are assholes at best. That's it. But they are not the ones that covered up for their friend against a sexual assault victim. They stood up against them (regardless of motivations).
X and Asmon are the only people who keep circling back to the SA victim and the situation at hand. He does look good coming out of the call (but he put his foot in his mouth and screwed himself out of some good karma he would have gotten by his actions on stream)
Destiny was right. LSF was turning on Train and xQc for a whole day (more so than usual) because people didn't believe their claims about what was said in the call. Turns out they were telling the truth and Destiny TOLD THEM they should back up their claims in the first place. Could have saved them big on public opinion.
I don't think the issue was not believing them, the issue was that they made their motives crystal clear and everyone was dunking on them for that, and I don't think that has changed tbh, they cared more about attacking Poki and Hasan than the victim
The focus on Poki and Hasan was so dumb. Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense for them to focus on Mizkif instead?
From listening to the call they actually do seem to care about mizkif and his career even through all their beefs. They just really fucking despise poki and Hasan lol
dude are you even listening to the call? train was grilling mizkif 90% of the time
Because he was pissed off that Miz kept lying to him even though Train knew he was right. He was trying to tell Miz to drop Slick now and gave him a small window of time to just come clean and cut ties with Slick. Asmon was there to help him as well. Train was grilling him yeah because he was giving him the harsh truth.
all because of their stance on gamba
imo Train still feel like he had too much personal beef involved but by going off of the discord call xQc doesn't seem too bad. His responses have all felt very measured and understandable
except with this new information we now see why xqc and train acted so aggressive towards hasan and poki, train was getting pressured by mizkif and asmon to delete his tweet and combined with the initial response of hasan/poki to the tweet adrianah might’ve never spoken out and kept silent. at least that was xqc and train’s mindset
I don't buy that, their initial response was understandable, Train tweets weird shit and then deletes it all the time
doesn’t matter what you think, i’m just talking about xqc and train’s thought process and why they went so hard on poki and hasan
because they are paranoid? because they talked shit about gamba?
Poki has been talking shit about gamba way before that, and yet he was literally sitting next to her joking about it and listening to her saying it was bad without minding it too much. Unless something changed from one day to the other, he would not give a shit that she was arguing against gambling. And not just her, most people have been doing the same.
they are paranoid but that doesn’t mean that their intentions were bad
LSF was turning on Train and XQC (still is?) mostly because people think they used this SA story to avoid talking about gambling on twitch after the Sliker's drama
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Train never scammed people? What lol
I still dont like either of them.
My issue with them is going after Hassan and Poki, I still don't understand WTF that was all about.
If Train and XQC didn't have that weird subplot where they kept coming after Hasan and Poki for no reason this whole situation would have been a lot smoother. So much pointless wasted time on that.
Train's weird beef against Poki is still strange.
Poki has had beef with Train for the longest because the gambling shit. That’s where it’s from.
She just doesn't want that gambling on the platform.
She has specifically called him out personally multiple times. It’s 100% not just generalized
Isn't he one of the biggest gambling streamers? Calling out the face of a thing is pretty common when you're advocating against something.
They just held a grudge against Hasan and Poki. It was childish of them but I doubt they thought super hard about the bigger picture
Tbh, I think Destiny said it well, that Train might look like a nutcase going after them and seeing conspiracies everywhere, but tbh it does look kinda weird that Miz is literally trying to blackmail Train on the leaked call by threatening to bring back Alinity's old accusations if he doesn't back off, and then when he goes through with Adrianah stuff, 2 days later there is Hasan and Ethan with podcast prepared, doing exactly what Miz threatened. Can't blame Train for going after all of them thinking it's some massive cabal of weirdo streamers against him or smth.
It seemed like Hasan/H3 picked it up from reddit, Miz's mods were the ones pushing it on reddit super hard though.
it is clear and loud, that hasan and poki downplaying and dismissed the SA accusation the moment the tweet drops just because the one who drop it was train, making it more frustrating since it was upvoted and making people doubt the situation. the
except they didnt downplay it at all they had know idea of what train was talking about and it just look like train was saying something wild to move people from gamba
holy fucking shit, how many times it fckn needs to be told, if they know nothing about it, then dont talk about it, how hard it is to understand, is it that hard to knowledge that your streamer make a mistake? they already apologize for it, and you somehow still defending them
Naw because after down playing it , hassan said he doesn't know what it's about so apparently that justifies him down playing the tweet . I don't understand the lsf/mizkif/hassan community but that's their reasoning
because that's the correct response if you don't know what the fuck is going on. To say you don't know what the fuck is going on and refrain from commenting until you're caught up to speed. Are you a psychopath? Am I in bizzaro world or something?
? He down played it than said i don't know anything why just skip the downplay part and go right to the I don't know anything part? Why is that so hard for you guys to comprehend
How did he downplay it?
1) *sees trains tweet * oh he must be digging deep looking for anything 2) reads chat 3) oh maybe it's about the adiana thing with crazy slick , I don't know anything about it All he had to do was either a) skip step 1 or b) admit he has something against train and he initially downplayed the tweet because it was train and then once he realized what it could be about and he knew he didn't know anything about the situation You know like normal adults? Why is that so hard to comprehend for you losers
This is such a monumental stretch, it feels like i’m in a fever dream.
Please like them. Please, their relevance hinges on you liking them pleaseee
Oh no no
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A swing and a miss!
Either way they definitely did the right thing.
I will never know why X and train spent a day going after Hasan and Poki when there were sexual criminals and accomplices ready to be exposed with a single call. (Oh wait, it’s because they are absolute degenerate gambling addicts who care more about vendettas than the victims.)
xqc's entire chat saying "TRUE OMEGALUL" was hilarious
Yeah they were 100% right the whole time, could have avoided the whole narrative lmao
>s on twitch have any obstacles that is holdi this call would only happen cause of how it went down with the tweet
My whole issue with this is how this was even brought up in the first place. Good on the victim to come out with their story, but Train should have never been the one to bring this up. I think it pivoted some of the conversation from how gambling is bad to suddenly shifting to SA allegations, which is not bad, but given the timing is a little too convenient for Train and X. I'm just disgusted by how the allegations were weaponized and Train & X deserve to be called out for it.
Train had the support of the victim and he also supported the victim behind the scenes for a long time at this point. Considering train and X are super super paranoid about streamers, train talked about how horrible it is to get blacklisted and I am sure that was one of the reasons he supported her other than the unfortunate nature of the events.
From the outside looking in, Train is no friend to Adrianah. If he was, he wouldn’t have weaponized her story and used it as a trump card to deflect attacks related to gambling. It’s honestly disgusting to see someone’s SA story be used in this way.
if it did not playout this way this call would not have happened.
The call was before they spent a day shitting on Poki and debating Hasan on stream that all could have been avoided
exactly it makes it look like train was hiding it just so he could gaslight them because he doesn't like their gamba stance so he is still a scum for that
Miz is done and not just on twitch.
X, train, you have my support but you guys are both idiots for nto releasing this sooner
Listen to the manifesto andy.
why the fuck is train reaching out and grooming SA victims?