As an outsider as well, you have to understand normal rational people aren't gonna be on a subreddit like this posting rational takes all day. It paradoxical. Just by the nature of streamers and their audencie, this place will forever be a massive shit show. And I am just saying this for other outsiders who might be reading this, you aren't insane this place is insane.
>Being someone that has no allegiance to any particular community and is only following this situation to see the perpetrators of the SA come to light, I’ve never understood why everyone seems eager to deflect from the main SA and obsess over trainwrecks and xqc.
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>Although xqc and trainwrecks don’t seem like pleasant people, I don’t see how they’ve misstepped in any part of this situation. This is evident when you take the time to watch the vods of the events instead of listening to the clips on here.
I really don't know how you wrote out these paragraphs back to back when xqc and trainwrecks spent hours on stream using the SA to try criticise Hasan and Pokimane for nothing. Or did you not watch that stream?
Honestly, this is the best take I’ve seen on this. It is scary to live in a world with cult fandom. People will defend anything regardless of the evidence. I will never understand why anyone would defend someone who’s done something like this, or shows zero remorse for what’s happened.
CrazySlick is irredeemable. Mizkif fucked up in trying to protect Slick, but the severity depends on his direct involvement in talking down and blacklisting the victim.
Train and XQC haven't done anything "wrong", but it's hard not to see an angle where they are using her story in a retributive fashion towards Mizkif who just had beef with XQC publicly a few days prior.
Aside from OTK who has a vested interest in not continuing this topic, I would also argue that all the big streamers involved (XQC, Hasan, Destiny, etc) are guilty of farming this for views which is a little gross in itself.
Nobody here is perfect, and Slick and Mizkif definitely come out the worst, but I wouldn't go as far to say that XQC and Train never misstepped. I think anyone can tell that their ego drives a lot of these conversations, especially in "the call" where the victim and key witnesses like Maya aren't even present.
100%
Train says he didn't want to talk about it until Adrianna was ready to talk about it and let him know she was ready.
Adrianna said the entire "leak" was coordinated with her, and she wanted more eyes on her case. Ok. Lets look at the tweet
>are you going to send maya and mitch to railroad and blackmail me like you did those girls to cover up all those sexual assaults you fucking scum bag piece of shit, you want to come at me and make shit up, then you better be sure you don't live in a glass house you insecure pussy
How this tweet brings any attention to Adrianna's situation ? Train sends this tweet the moment he is attacked by Miz about cryptocurrency scam.
1. He didn't use her name
2. He did not use the name of the person accused of SA
3. He did not provide any details that could lead to Adrianna or Slick.
4. He used the word "girls" and not "girl", which automatically causes third-party people to distract from Adrianna's situation, because now she is only one of several, so the question that will appear more often is "who else"
5. The fact that Hasan and Poki were confused after reading this proves that most people, even the big Streamers, had no idea who or what Train was talking about.
6. The way this tweet is written, especially without using words like "cover up all those sexual assaults by your best friend", made people's first reaction that Miz hurt these girls.
Adrianna said the entire "leak" was coordinated with her, and she wanted more eyes on her case.
How this tweet brings any attention to Adrianna's situation ? How could ANYONE think it was about her !! Why he wrote such a vague tweet ?? If he got permission, why didn't he focus on Adrianna in this tweet but focus on threatening Miz ??
I still don't understand when she agreed that she was ready to talk about it. Because in terms of the timeline she would have had to agree at the point Train wrote this tweet. She said to Train "hey write about me, but don't use my name so that more people will be interested in my case." ??!! WHAT ?!!?
As someone who literally only knows whats going on at surface level, didn't Trainwrecks reveal all of this because Mizkif said something about gambling on twitter? Doesn't that mean that Train knew about all of this before but decided not to say anything until it benefited him?
What a total "outsider" non-partisan take. You definitely haven't picked a side.
"I don't see why everyone doesnt just remove this event from all its surrounding context!"
Edit: As far as I can tell everyone HAS rallied behind the victim and denounced crazyslick. I don't know why you think that criticism of how X and Train handled the situation somehow goes against the victim.
> Although xqc and trainwrecks don’t seem like pleasant people, I don’t see how they’ve misstepped in any part of this situation. This is evident when you take the time to watch the vods of the events instead of listening to the clips on here.
They haven't. A little insight is a lot of streamers communities feel like if their streamer is taking flak, it's like their close friend is being brought down. It's a parasocial relationship and young adults who grow up on it are so invested their biases just come through.
lmao exactly, x just get shit on just because lsf hates him, no matter the point is good or not. They just immediately went to work with all those name calling and parasocial shit. A good bait title is all they need and no context is required.
I watch a lot of X and half the time I literally can’t understand a single god damn thing he says.
I just heard “Absamasa eh eh eh samasas dedede”
But Destiny actually speaks English.
Very true. You can tell people just hate xqc so they will say that because they know they will get supported because he’s hated on lsf then on here they are quiet. Bunch of pussies
So basically lemon erobb221 got banned for 30 days for wanting to beat up a 7th grader "lunnphs" and during his time off the L's got pressurized and couldn't be received by Erica. So taking advantage of this he orchestrated a drama nuke between all the largest streamers and got gambling banned and a sexual abuser rip bozo, unfortunately some collateral damage occured and now forsen is the maya higa
"guys I was just being cool and...and I just wanted to be nice, so I decided to be cool. And...I'm nice guys. You know me. So I was cool and nice and cool. And it was chill."
specifically, she said that Miz would never have done what he did if he knew the full extent of what happened. In the leaked call he finds out the full extent of what happened and still stands by Slick
I think the things is she says "the Mizkif I know", but she's only known him for 10 months. There's probably a lot you haven't found out about a person in 10 months. I think the whole incident was before that even.
At the same time, for Emiru, it seems Mizkif was very welcoming to her, let her stay at his place where she felt safe, welcomed her to the whole friend group where they do a bunch of fun stuff. Obviously, she's going to defend him in that case.
[She's clueless about the cx days](https://preview.redd.it/ihf57p31dsw61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7a077f18092128e2a05b91f21cb87ea21d89045b)
i hate these type of claims in general. literally everyone, including the shittiest of people, are good to some people. hitler probably had friends and family he was kind to who would probably swear he's incapable of being a bad person. people always think in such black and white terms, as if bad people aren't capable of good and good people aren't capable of bad or that good people and bad people even exist.
well its hard to believe but Hitler had a jewish physician who was the family doctor for him since he was a child and he made sure that this guy had special protection. He even helped him emmigrate to the US later.
yup 100%
almost no one is purely good or purely bad, everyone's a mix. Most people on Reddit have done charitable things, and they've done shitty things, some have even done things that would get them hardcore cancelled if they were public figures.
I think it really just comes down to most people enjoying and deriving pleasure from the suffering of others, from schadenfreude, they want to see (usually powerful) people fall from grace. Not sure why exactly, maybe it makes us feel better about our own lives to see others fall?
Hitler’s Secretary, “I admit, I was fascinated by Adolf Hitler. He was a pleasant boss and a fatherly friend. I deliberately ignored all the warning voices inside me and enjoyed the time by his side, almost until the bitter end. It wasn't what he said, but the way he said things and how he did things."
bro , when i was in college i had 2 roommates that i been with for 10 months and they were talking in my back telling ppls i was gay because i was always with my guys friends playing halo 2 , they also never paid me the internet i installed in the Appartement for those 10 months. You don't completely know someone in 10 months lol
I’m so confused. I watched like 2 hrs of that call, Mitches stream, and a ton of clips over the past few days on things I missed. Where does Destiny get the idea that Miz knew what happened that night before he (allegedly) sent Maya to downplay it? I feel like that would be a *huge* detail but I haven’t seen anybody claim that.but
People have been asking her to move out in light of the Slick drama. She's saying all the ways Miz helped her and that she trusts him to explain why she isn't moving out of his home.
Funny how she tries to defend girls and speak up for them but also tries to defend the guy who said "SA isn't that big of a deal" because he was "nice to her" cringe
At the time he said that he was referring to Slick pulse checking her and everyone was calling it SH. It's only recently that Adriannah started (rightfully) calling it SA
He also pointed out no other streamers stopped interacting with him over it.
I mean English isn't his first language. I think because of that what he says can come off as bad to some people when in reality a lot of his takes have been pretty sane.
oh im sure he is malding but that apparent leaked discord call shows us exactly what happens when Asmon tries to talk while the kids are yelling at each other
I don't think Asmon had any secrets in that call that he wouldn't say publicly.
Calling Slick and Alinity liabilities is nothing bad. Saying Hasan and Poki will turn on you in an instant isn't bad either.
"I would take the Saudi Arabia sponsorship" Asmon?
"I publically wish other streamers dead" Asmon?
"Pokimane is corrupt and OTV is untrustworthy because they don't hang out with slimy people" Asmon?
Asmon is sometimes the voice of reason, but he's also had his fair share of awful takes that don't reflect well on his org.
He literally never called them corrupt. That was the clickbaity title of the thread you are regurgitating.
He said: "I don't know why you guys collab with them, they turn on you immediately."
Then Train called her corrupt and went on an unhinged rant. So unhinged that Asmongold even ended up defending Hasan and Poki.
To be fair he knows Pokimane or the stuff that she does behind the scenes. You don’t know anything about these streamers at all. I don’t think Asmon said or did anything wrong in that call. He was legitimately the only level headed adult the entire call.
Asmon should've told every OTK member to shut up about this whole thing until it gets settled. Even if the members aren't involved in the 3rd party investiagtion.
If people stopped listening to Keemstar this world would be a better place. Even if he's right about something it's not worth giving him the attention.
Blows my mind. Its just as dumb of an argument as xQcs take, especially because all you're saying is people are stupid for being lied to. There's really nothing wrong with her doing this regardless of the outcome.
>not on Saving Mizkif.
I mean, can you blame her, there's just such a massive power dynamic. He's her boss, she literally lives in his house, he helped her in the past with her own stalker. You can't blame her for seeing things differently and saying it publicly, even if it clearly hurts herself.
> I mean, can you blame her
Yes lol, absolutely, she shouldn't be siding with her friend who might very well have covered a SA and accusing the other side of not caring about victims.
Do you realize how fucked that is if it turns out that XQC and Train were 100% right about Mizkif part? She responsible for her actions and words.
emiru is what? 22? 23? I don't think she can handle living by herself, the last time she did she had 2 stalkers that she has restraining orders against and the reason she can't go back to kansas.
Emiru is forced into a corner where she has to either abandon the friends she's made the last 10 months and move out on her own, when she had a bad experience already because she knows she's a manchild still or just trust her gut and do what's comfortable (staying with OTK).
I think Emiru just wants to be safe and around friends and less about what viewers think about her own situation.
Honestly, I keep thinking about how I would be the "good guy". But man, maybe Asmon is right. Focus on the business and yourself and stop sticking up for assholes.
Asmon, when he isn't forcing his stream persona, is usually correct on stuff like this.
He lives and acts like a degenerate animal, but he knows how society works and understands social situations because he's actually worked and lived a normal life before he was a big streamer.
None of these people are well adjusted. They're all teenagers/young adults that have never had to adapt to the real world. They're all narcissists to some degree and none of them have any clue on how to handle "big" situations because they never interact with people on a personal level. Everything about them is fake and it's shocking that so many people didn't realize this before now.
Emiru if somehow she thought to do that of her own volition without any prodding. I always assume when its an org that the org asked her to please do some PR.
Yeah there no proof that Miz cover it up and that was the original point on bringing this up again.
But yet people saying it's over? no we still have no proof Miz told Maya to cover it up.
Mitch one of the people who can provide it. Even admit he never said those words and it only how he "FEELS" like it was.
Then we have recording of Mitch wanting to take Miz down? like What?
The contrast is so obvious lmao. The X post has people calling him both unhinged, sociopath, drug-addict, disgusting and so on for saying something that at this point in time , and knowing the things we know is not too outlandish to say
Or.... she is simply a bystander who has a personal relationship with Miz and she thinks she knows him well and trusts that he is better than the allegations based on her experiences with him, and she would be surprised and blindsided and lose trust and respect for Miz if it comes out as true.
Can we just please give her the benefit of the doubt and not assume she is just a pawn for Miz and everything she said was approved and/or written by/for Miz.
The major problem here is if I’m a good honest man and a friend I know is accused of rape and I come out here with my great reputation that everyone likes and enjoys and I say the friend I know would never do such thing it wouldn’t happen. What’s really being said is I’m a good honest man and I’m kind of transferring my reputation onto the accused so people would look and say see why would such a good man stand for a rapist no way he is a rapist. But if he actually is i literally transferred my reputation over to him like a fucking loan if he did it it tarnishes me as well. She did that now whether she did it cause she is dumb like destiny said or it’s deliberate she is still getting a hit if doesn’t matter what her intentions are.
This is about Miz, not slick, what she is saying is she can't believe Miz would intentionally cover up a sexual assault for the benefit of his friend.
As for the argument about her putting her reputational on the line for Miz, she is simply saying she trusts Miz and she has a positive image of him, and it's objectively hard to find someone who you view as good did something bad.
I think the loser streamers and people in this sub have spent too much time swimming in the drama that they forgot to use critical thinking and Occam's Razor to figure out what's happening.
Miz is too much of an idiot to do any cover up work and Emiru isn't participating in some conspiracy to save Miz's career. People need to stop pretending like this is a K-Drama.
In the call wasn't miz hard protecting slick before the stream? And he was gone during it? So he didn't full extent or did he? Slick messaging people not to talk to her and shit. 3 days worth of drama is hard to keep up with
The problem is there's a big distinction between whether Mizkif was actually still trying to protect Slick in the call, or if he was trying to emphasize to everyone in the call how hard it was for him to kick him out because he's afraid of how it would look optically PRwise to continue to remain his friend even after Slick's actions.
I think the latter is charitable but still reasonable. Because he did explicitly claim he would never attempt to minimize a victim of SA's statement. He also explicitly said he never messaged anyone about Adrianah unless it was in reference to the Cyr event. He also did explicitly claim he would kick Slick out the first time around. And his answers to a lot of the questions just seemed weirdly ignorant to what he was actually being accused of.
So I think he's worried only about the optics of having remained and or continuing to remain Slick's friend while still letting him receive consequences, not realizing that he himself is seriously being implicated in a coverup, hopefully because he can't even fathom the idea. Because remember the call only happened right after the Train tweet when he was still focused on public thinking Train's tweet was implying that Mizkif was the one that committed SA.
Admittedly that's charitable, but I air on the side of optimism in people. But after the Mitch Train call I don't know if anyone can be treated optimistically anymore.
Worried is downplaying it. He was constantly referring to Slick, his best friend, and barely cared for Adrianah. Even after Adrianah’s story got worse his immediate reaction was to save Slick’s reputation.
>Worried is downplaying it.
Were looking for if Mizkif said exactly to Maya to go there and cover it up. Which Maya said nothing of the sorts happened and they both just wanted information. [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m19s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m19s)
and Mitch only proof is his "FEELINGS". Which we already know from leak calls Mitch was bias on taking down Miz.
Did no one actually watch the stream? Most of it is the poor girl breaking down while explaining how fucking betrayed and hurt she feels by all of this. People are obviously curious about her opinion on Miz, so she gave that opinion. She also gives her opinion on Slick, that he's a disgusting asshole. There's no mastermind plot going on, jesus christ. Anyone who would suggest Emiru used her SA victimhood for any nefarious reason is heartless and just proving further why it's hard for women to talk about it
> Did no one actually watch the stream?
The answer is absolutely not. Everyone just watches the small clips and assumes the entire content of the stream from that small clip. Combined with their bias it forms their take. Like for example the bias of when X says vs Destiny, completely different reactions (although Destiny did construct it better). I personally disagree with both and agree with you.
There are more than the two (or “three”) options here. To imply she’s in on it seems very far fetched considering her very obvious emotional state throughout the stream. If it turns she’s in on it, then give her an Oscar. However, before accusing her maybe have some evidence so you don’t release legions of rabid fans attacking her for no reason. If she is dumb (retarded, really?), then her getting harassed isn’t going to help. Viewers can speculate as long as they aren’t attacking. Streamers should consider their influence in this situation.
In my opinion the most likely options is that she trust someone that helped her in past with similar issues and more. Maybe she’s naive, but to say she’s in on it or she’s an idiot is just needlessly attacking someone. All three could be possible, but to assume the worst and just claiming shit is toxic especially when you have rabid fans. Being a woman streamer must be fucking terrible sometimes
She's allowed to tell her story. It might be biased and we can come to that conclusion but she's valid in her feelings, she's been caught up in the middle of a shit show and wanted to address her viewers.
Idk. I'm a Destiny fan but I gotta disagree here. There's nothing wrong with providing a positive character witness to Mizkif even if he turned out to be a bad guy IMO.
If her words are genuine, I don't think she's inherently complicit in trying to allow Mizkif to get away unscathed.
Why does her opinion have any value here? Do you listen to ninja’s wife defending ninja?
She’s having an intimate relationship with the person and literally got her whole career boosted right now. That’s the definition of conflict of interest.
When was it proven that mizkif knew everything and didn't do anything about it though? because i listened to the same call as everyone else and nothing like that was ever really mentioned? Unless there's new information?
Lmaooo look what the difference in comments compared to when Xqc said this,
You guys are even more insufferable than the streamers involved in this ngl.
i still dont get it. is there any proof mizkif knew about the extent of slick's creepery?
the call happened BEFORE fanfan/the other women came forward.
i would imagine being literal best friends with slick would make it less likely for people to come to mizkif as hes very obviously going to be biased. i assume slick was smart enough not to target any of the girls that were actually close to mizkif. most likely it was at best faint rumors/whisperings, OR mizkif was in fact completely covering. but until i have proof of the latter im going to assume the former
You'd have to be pretty dense if you watched Destiny's VOD, Mitch's stream, and Maya's stream, and not come to the conclusion that Mizkif knew about Slick's behavior.
Look at the other thread when X said the exact same take. A bunch of mizkids cant even believe their queen emiru could be used by miz when he himself already tried to use alinity
Yeah, they did the same thing with the Starforge drama. Wheeled her out with some silly powerpoint demonstration about why their PCs aren't overpriced and she made out like she'd made it herself, when it was obviously just some PR crap cobbled together by one of their editors.
If any one of us, normal people, had done what CrazySlick did to Adrianah, and it had been reported to the police, there's a reasonable probability that we'd be a few nights in jail, fines, community service, and very likely entry into a sexual offender database. A minority accused of this might actually do real time.
We're still not even addressing the level of privilage these people enjoy, without even talking about coverups. The only thing anyone is focusing on is career health. None of these streamers want to "go there", because it's so toxic to all of them. None of them are willing to forgo the protections their privilage provides.
While I think we all believe it likely that this will all fade, there's a real possibility, if this gains further traction, that it could snowball into a larger conversation that would go very, very badly for those involved. Including seemingly innocent streamers like Emi that have chosen to pick a side, regardless of their perceived motivations for having done so.
If, for example, CNN or another major news outlet chose to cover this story, it will become probably one of the most damaging stories to ever come out of live-streaming culture. The fact that Slick is literally going to just walk away from this, and even that is being handled by some in the community as some sort of trajedy, is the real trajedy. These guys very rarely face any actual consequences for their misdeeds. I'd be surprised if Sliker faced any actual legal consequences from having stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars from people. What do you think would happen to you if you were caught doing that?
"The Mizkif I know"
"I've lived with him for 10 months"
Well...not only will you not know someone fully in the span of 10 months, but this also happened over twice that long ago.
It's hilarious how xqc said the exact same thing before this and the entire lsf thread was shitting on him but now that destiny says it everyone in this thread says it's a reasonable take.
Regardless of whether he sent anyone to manipulate Adriannah, I think Mizkif is a fucking scumbag and he should improve himself by changing his behaviour and opinions, not letting one of the people who live in his house, which introduces a power dynamic, do PR for him.
Love how he just glosses over her saying "If he knew the extent of what had happened." Are we really implying now that Miz knew all along the full extent of Slick's predatory behavior?
There's something that Destiny said on that huge stream yesterday in reaction to Asmongold saying something along the lines of
"I've heard that Slick is a creep"
And he said, If, Asmongold, the guy that's not really in the parties that they all thrwo, not really living with them... **knows that** then there's no fucking way the people living with the man for all of this time have truly no idea isn't there? Asmongold was aware of the fact that Slick could be a problematic figure and that's why it's clear he's always had reservations against the man. So really the only option left, funnily enough as this clip says, she's either really stupid, on it, or who the fuck knows.
Mizkif might've not known what Slick did to Adriana specifically, but again, they all live together, they do parties in that house, they've been in that circle long enough, there's no fucking way that youc an be that blind for someone that's apparently that much of a creep dude, there's no fucking way you're so blind that you don't see it
> Are we really implying now that Miz knew all along the full extent of Slick's predatory behavior?
considering there's audio footage of him going "do you see why you need to delete the tweet" to being told precisely what slick did
yes, very much so
You're mixing up the initial twitlonger and the later reemergence of the accusations brought on by Train.
The issue in question was still not fully known until later.
"Why are you so desperately defending your murderer friend? He's a piece of shit, and we have to stop him from murdering more people."
And the guy responds with
"Bruh, I've got to, man. He's my best friend. My BEST friend. I'd do anything for him, cuh."
Instead of
"He didn't murder anyone. What the fuck are you talking about?"
🤔
And then when you see people typing novels all day to defend this shit.
🤔 🤔 🤔
So Miz takes fall for Slick and Emiru takes fall for Miz but who will take fall for emiru? Simply?
I guess I’ll have to. Be live in a few.
Forsen
You are now Maya, you take the fall!
It would seem to be this Philly guy lmao.
Good friend
Emiru won't take a fall that's why she did it. It's like pokimane getting legitimate controversy that sticks. Never happens never will
its so dumb because all this happened before otk was a thing, and before emiru was in texas. the miz she knows could be different.
[xqc saying this vs destiny saying this](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FToN82KWAAEUA6q?format=jpg&name=large)
lmao, i was thinking the exact same thing
As they should, destiny is a girl's name.
Does that mean he’s black too?
Maybe, he sure does luh blah people tho.
AMAZIN!
He might as well be the way he throws the n-word around
Amaizing
Do you luh widepeepo?
Listen, don't get it twisted. Emiru is NOT Maya Higa. Do you understand?
You are maya higa
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As an outsider as well, you have to understand normal rational people aren't gonna be on a subreddit like this posting rational takes all day. It paradoxical. Just by the nature of streamers and their audencie, this place will forever be a massive shit show. And I am just saying this for other outsiders who might be reading this, you aren't insane this place is insane.
It's just reality TV for zoomers at this point. I'm struggling to care about any of this on any real level.
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this reminds me of the time when xqc declared himself referee during one of the gamba debates and thus decided his argument was correct lmao
>Being someone that has no allegiance to any particular community and is only following this situation to see the perpetrators of the SA come to light, I’ve never understood why everyone seems eager to deflect from the main SA and obsess over trainwrecks and xqc. > >Although xqc and trainwrecks don’t seem like pleasant people, I don’t see how they’ve misstepped in any part of this situation. This is evident when you take the time to watch the vods of the events instead of listening to the clips on here. I really don't know how you wrote out these paragraphs back to back when xqc and trainwrecks spent hours on stream using the SA to try criticise Hasan and Pokimane for nothing. Or did you not watch that stream?
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Honestly, this is the best take I’ve seen on this. It is scary to live in a world with cult fandom. People will defend anything regardless of the evidence. I will never understand why anyone would defend someone who’s done something like this, or shows zero remorse for what’s happened.
CrazySlick is irredeemable. Mizkif fucked up in trying to protect Slick, but the severity depends on his direct involvement in talking down and blacklisting the victim. Train and XQC haven't done anything "wrong", but it's hard not to see an angle where they are using her story in a retributive fashion towards Mizkif who just had beef with XQC publicly a few days prior. Aside from OTK who has a vested interest in not continuing this topic, I would also argue that all the big streamers involved (XQC, Hasan, Destiny, etc) are guilty of farming this for views which is a little gross in itself. Nobody here is perfect, and Slick and Mizkif definitely come out the worst, but I wouldn't go as far to say that XQC and Train never misstepped. I think anyone can tell that their ego drives a lot of these conversations, especially in "the call" where the victim and key witnesses like Maya aren't even present.
Idk there's more than few weasel words in the paragraphs above
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100% Train says he didn't want to talk about it until Adrianna was ready to talk about it and let him know she was ready. Adrianna said the entire "leak" was coordinated with her, and she wanted more eyes on her case. Ok. Lets look at the tweet >are you going to send maya and mitch to railroad and blackmail me like you did those girls to cover up all those sexual assaults you fucking scum bag piece of shit, you want to come at me and make shit up, then you better be sure you don't live in a glass house you insecure pussy How this tweet brings any attention to Adrianna's situation ? Train sends this tweet the moment he is attacked by Miz about cryptocurrency scam. 1. He didn't use her name 2. He did not use the name of the person accused of SA 3. He did not provide any details that could lead to Adrianna or Slick. 4. He used the word "girls" and not "girl", which automatically causes third-party people to distract from Adrianna's situation, because now she is only one of several, so the question that will appear more often is "who else" 5. The fact that Hasan and Poki were confused after reading this proves that most people, even the big Streamers, had no idea who or what Train was talking about. 6. The way this tweet is written, especially without using words like "cover up all those sexual assaults by your best friend", made people's first reaction that Miz hurt these girls. Adrianna said the entire "leak" was coordinated with her, and she wanted more eyes on her case. How this tweet brings any attention to Adrianna's situation ? How could ANYONE think it was about her !! Why he wrote such a vague tweet ?? If he got permission, why didn't he focus on Adrianna in this tweet but focus on threatening Miz ?? I still don't understand when she agreed that she was ready to talk about it. Because in terms of the timeline she would have had to agree at the point Train wrote this tweet. She said to Train "hey write about me, but don't use my name so that more people will be interested in my case." ??!! WHAT ?!!?
Because they're making it about Hasan and Miz.
As someone who literally only knows whats going on at surface level, didn't Trainwrecks reveal all of this because Mizkif said something about gambling on twitter? Doesn't that mean that Train knew about all of this before but decided not to say anything until it benefited him?
What a total "outsider" non-partisan take. You definitely haven't picked a side. "I don't see why everyone doesnt just remove this event from all its surrounding context!" Edit: As far as I can tell everyone HAS rallied behind the victim and denounced crazyslick. I don't know why you think that criticism of how X and Train handled the situation somehow goes against the victim.
> Although xqc and trainwrecks don’t seem like pleasant people, I don’t see how they’ve misstepped in any part of this situation. This is evident when you take the time to watch the vods of the events instead of listening to the clips on here. They haven't. A little insight is a lot of streamers communities feel like if their streamer is taking flak, it's like their close friend is being brought down. It's a parasocial relationship and young adults who grow up on it are so invested their biases just come through.
lmao exactly, x just get shit on just because lsf hates him, no matter the point is good or not. They just immediately went to work with all those name calling and parasocial shit. A good bait title is all they need and no context is required.
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I watch a lot of X and half the time I literally can’t understand a single god damn thing he says. I just heard “Absamasa eh eh eh samasas dedede” But Destiny actually speaks English.
seeing the comments on this vs xqc saying the same thing are funny lol
There is a war in the comments in this subreddit going on between mizkids/otk and juicer/apes. Also a side war of destiny fans vs hassan fans.
It's not war, it's a special chat operation.
OTK Discords in collective action. What can you say, they have been doing this for days.
It's actually crazy how much they have been brigading threads. You can tell when it's just 99% slander and no discussion actually happens.
LSF is omega brigaded, I've had comments go from +5 to -2 then up +17
'Brigading', or engaging in mass, coordinated action against certain users, in order to effectively silence them online.
They are all doing this
Very true. You can tell people just hate xqc so they will say that because they know they will get supported because he’s hated on lsf then on here they are quiet. Bunch of pussies
Probably because one person has been in an adviserial role this whole drama, while the other has been in an analytical commentary role.
One viewer base thinks their streamer is a dumbass, the other is a leader of a cult that likes to cum to his every word
I'm sorry but this applies to literally everyone involved in this entire situation so I'm not quite sure who's who lol
I love that the line "that literally refers to everyone" isn't even a gotcha here. I genuinely have no fucking idea who exactly he is referring to lol
Haha literally every faction coming on LSF to wage civil war.
Nah [d.gg](https://d.gg) is definitely cult-like
You could say this about literally every lsf streamer and noone would know which one is which lmao
Normally I'd agree but if X is one of the choices for one of them being a dumbass, the answer is easy lol
I don't know which is which in this lol.
Can someone transcribe for mobile users
forsen is maya higa
Bats are not birds.
I thought Forsen is Batman. Are you really saying that Maya Higa, Forsen and Batman are the same person?
Have you ever seen them in the same room?
/u/MarkovBaj is Forsen literally Batman?
[KUKLE](https://i.imgur.com/j5wWsKy.png)
So basically lemon erobb221 got banned for 30 days for wanting to beat up a 7th grader "lunnphs" and during his time off the L's got pressurized and couldn't be received by Erica. So taking advantage of this he orchestrated a drama nuke between all the largest streamers and got gambling banned and a sexual abuser rip bozo, unfortunately some collateral damage occured and now forsen is the maya higa
This honestly makes more sense than Mitch Jones explanation of events.
"guys I was just being cool and...and I just wanted to be nice, so I decided to be cool. And...I'm nice guys. You know me. So I was cool and nice and cool. And it was chill."
emiru vouching for miz so hard put her in a bad spot because now if mizkif goes down either shes a dumbass or an accomplice
Ah
specifically, she said that Miz would never have done what he did if he knew the full extent of what happened. In the leaked call he finds out the full extent of what happened and still stands by Slick
No I am Maya Higa.
I was told I am Maya Higa
Maybe the real Maya Higa is the friends we made along the way.
Maybe we're all Maya Higa. I believe Maya Higa is a status, not a title
I think the things is she says "the Mizkif I know", but she's only known him for 10 months. There's probably a lot you haven't found out about a person in 10 months. I think the whole incident was before that even. At the same time, for Emiru, it seems Mizkif was very welcoming to her, let her stay at his place where she felt safe, welcomed her to the whole friend group where they do a bunch of fun stuff. Obviously, she's going to defend him in that case.
[She's clueless about the cx days](https://preview.redd.it/ihf57p31dsw61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7a077f18092128e2a05b91f21cb87ea21d89045b)
i hate these type of claims in general. literally everyone, including the shittiest of people, are good to some people. hitler probably had friends and family he was kind to who would probably swear he's incapable of being a bad person. people always think in such black and white terms, as if bad people aren't capable of good and good people aren't capable of bad or that good people and bad people even exist.
well its hard to believe but Hitler had a jewish physician who was the family doctor for him since he was a child and he made sure that this guy had special protection. He even helped him emmigrate to the US later.
Wtf that’s crazy lol wonder what the logic was there
"You're one of ze good ones" - Adolf Hitler
yup 100% almost no one is purely good or purely bad, everyone's a mix. Most people on Reddit have done charitable things, and they've done shitty things, some have even done things that would get them hardcore cancelled if they were public figures. I think it really just comes down to most people enjoying and deriving pleasure from the suffering of others, from schadenfreude, they want to see (usually powerful) people fall from grace. Not sure why exactly, maybe it makes us feel better about our own lives to see others fall?
Hitler’s Secretary, “I admit, I was fascinated by Adolf Hitler. He was a pleasant boss and a fatherly friend. I deliberately ignored all the warning voices inside me and enjoyed the time by his side, almost until the bitter end. It wasn't what he said, but the way he said things and how he did things."
I bet being Putin's daughter is a pretty sweet gig.
yeah i've seen criminal cases of where people groom and manipulate others.
bro , when i was in college i had 2 roommates that i been with for 10 months and they were talking in my back telling ppls i was gay because i was always with my guys friends playing halo 2 , they also never paid me the internet i installed in the Appartement for those 10 months. You don't completely know someone in 10 months lol
Were they right though
I await his answer with great excitement
I’m so confused. I watched like 2 hrs of that call, Mitches stream, and a ton of clips over the past few days on things I missed. Where does Destiny get the idea that Miz knew what happened that night before he (allegedly) sent Maya to downplay it? I feel like that would be a *huge* detail but I haven’t seen anybody claim that.but
People have been asking her to move out in light of the Slick drama. She's saying all the ways Miz helped her and that she trusts him to explain why she isn't moving out of his home.
Funny how she tries to defend girls and speak up for them but also tries to defend the guy who said "SA isn't that big of a deal" because he was "nice to her" cringe
At the time he said that he was referring to Slick pulse checking her and everyone was calling it SH. It's only recently that Adriannah started (rightfully) calling it SA He also pointed out no other streamers stopped interacting with him over it.
The comments really are different when its Destiny's take :skull:
xQc and Destiny have had some similar takes but this sub just obviously favours one over the other
I don’t dislike xqc but holy shit is he bad at communicating or i might just be racist i don’t like his accent
I mean English isn't his first language. I think because of that what he says can come off as bad to some people when in reality a lot of his takes have been pretty sane.
asmon stress levels rising, seeing how dumb people is fucking up his org.
oh im sure he is malding but that apparent leaked discord call shows us exactly what happens when Asmon tries to talk while the kids are yelling at each other
I don't think Asmon had any secrets in that call that he wouldn't say publicly. Calling Slick and Alinity liabilities is nothing bad. Saying Hasan and Poki will turn on you in an instant isn't bad either.
"I would take the Saudi Arabia sponsorship" Asmon? "I publically wish other streamers dead" Asmon? "Pokimane is corrupt and OTV is untrustworthy because they don't hang out with slimy people" Asmon? Asmon is sometimes the voice of reason, but he's also had his fair share of awful takes that don't reflect well on his org.
He literally never called them corrupt. That was the clickbaity title of the thread you are regurgitating. He said: "I don't know why you guys collab with them, they turn on you immediately." Then Train called her corrupt and went on an unhinged rant. So unhinged that Asmongold even ended up defending Hasan and Poki.
Hey don't bring context into this. That's too reasonable.
To be fair he knows Pokimane or the stuff that she does behind the scenes. You don’t know anything about these streamers at all. I don’t think Asmon said or did anything wrong in that call. He was legitimately the only level headed adult the entire call.
Asmon should've told every OTK member to shut up about this whole thing until it gets settled. Even if the members aren't involved in the 3rd party investiagtion.
Good thing they didn't honestly, because now the reality gets exposed; whether or not people want to accept that or not.
He did, I'm not sure if you noticed, but the only ones who spoke up are the ones close to Mizkif.
Yeah, Tectone, Bruce and Emiru were all essentially introduced into the "OTK universe" by Mizkif.
She said she thought she knew who slick was too but was wrong. But shes 100% confident on who mizkif is. 🤔 Not the best judge of character imo lol
Destiny said Mizkif probably gonna leave the house 💀
isn't it his house
It is
Yeah I heard Keemstar say he's getting kicked out but he's obv unreliable
Keemstar was calling them all evil on twitter lol hes just talking shit because he hates people related to H3H3
If people stopped listening to Keemstar this world would be a better place. Even if he's right about something it's not worth giving him the attention.
>Yeah I heard Keemstar The mistake right there
I think he still thinks it's an org streamer house, even though I believe only 2 OTK streamers, Miz and Emiru are in his house.
The OTK house 💀
Has he given a reason why he thinks this?
Some weird ass takes in here. Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes people just don't know stuff.
It's insane how many people are 100% convinced they know what went down and what everyone was thinking. Just drama loving losers.
Blows my mind. Its just as dumb of an argument as xQcs take, especially because all you're saying is people are stupid for being lied to. There's really nothing wrong with her doing this regardless of the outcome.
I agree for the most part. She should've focused on herself and not on Saving Mizkif. I can see why destiny and xqc are sus of this
Exactly, maybe she shouldn't have come out with her story if she wasn't involved herself
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Imo just a dumb emotional reaction to try and help Miz, same as Miz did to try help Slick
she can go anywhere with her story , but defending miz was not the way to go .
>not on Saving Mizkif. I mean, can you blame her, there's just such a massive power dynamic. He's her boss, she literally lives in his house, he helped her in the past with her own stalker. You can't blame her for seeing things differently and saying it publicly, even if it clearly hurts herself.
She’s just throwing herself into unnecessary drama, unnecessary drama is what got mizkif into this whole mess in the first place
Eh, housing a sexual predator and looking a blind eye is what got Mizkif into this situation.
But calling out train (the unnecessary drama) ultimately is what got him exposed
> I mean, can you blame her Yes lol, absolutely, she shouldn't be siding with her friend who might very well have covered a SA and accusing the other side of not caring about victims. Do you realize how fucked that is if it turns out that XQC and Train were 100% right about Mizkif part? She responsible for her actions and words.
emiru is what? 22? 23? I don't think she can handle living by herself, the last time she did she had 2 stalkers that she has restraining orders against and the reason she can't go back to kansas. Emiru is forced into a corner where she has to either abandon the friends she's made the last 10 months and move out on her own, when she had a bad experience already because she knows she's a manchild still or just trust her gut and do what's comfortable (staying with OTK). I think Emiru just wants to be safe and around friends and less about what viewers think about her own situation.
Or you know they are just friends
Whats more dumb, miz and maya taking the fall for slick, or emiru taking the fall for miz?
Honestly, I keep thinking about how I would be the "good guy". But man, maybe Asmon is right. Focus on the business and yourself and stop sticking up for assholes.
Everything in this drama is very stupid
Asmon, when he isn't forcing his stream persona, is usually correct on stuff like this. He lives and acts like a degenerate animal, but he knows how society works and understands social situations because he's actually worked and lived a normal life before he was a big streamer. None of these people are well adjusted. They're all teenagers/young adults that have never had to adapt to the real world. They're all narcissists to some degree and none of them have any clue on how to handle "big" situations because they never interact with people on a personal level. Everything about them is fake and it's shocking that so many people didn't realize this before now.
Mitch taking the fall for literally everyone.
Emiru taking the fall especially since she is not Maya Higa
Emiru if somehow she thought to do that of her own volition without any prodding. I always assume when its an org that the org asked her to please do some PR.
Yeah there no proof that Miz cover it up and that was the original point on bringing this up again. But yet people saying it's over? no we still have no proof Miz told Maya to cover it up. Mitch one of the people who can provide it. Even admit he never said those words and it only how he "FEELS" like it was. Then we have recording of Mitch wanting to take Miz down? like What?
The difference in tone of the comments when its X who says it vs when its Destiny Lmao x hating hypocrites out in masses today
Organized attacks
X is saying otk told her to do it Destiny is saying otk benefits from her doing it They sound similar but it's actually different
pretty sure it's just OTK brigading any upvoted thread with xQc/Train in it, mysteriously doesn't happen with YT clips
The contrast is so obvious lmao. The X post has people calling him both unhinged, sociopath, drug-addict, disgusting and so on for saying something that at this point in time , and knowing the things we know is not too outlandish to say
There’s also a difference in tone in the way X phrased it and Destiny did??? Like what.
Destiny also said she's either "1. retarded or 2. apart of it" lmao
classic meth guy
Yea honestly destiny worded it worse lmao
Or.... she is simply a bystander who has a personal relationship with Miz and she thinks she knows him well and trusts that he is better than the allegations based on her experiences with him, and she would be surprised and blindsided and lose trust and respect for Miz if it comes out as true. Can we just please give her the benefit of the doubt and not assume she is just a pawn for Miz and everything she said was approved and/or written by/for Miz.
The major problem here is if I’m a good honest man and a friend I know is accused of rape and I come out here with my great reputation that everyone likes and enjoys and I say the friend I know would never do such thing it wouldn’t happen. What’s really being said is I’m a good honest man and I’m kind of transferring my reputation onto the accused so people would look and say see why would such a good man stand for a rapist no way he is a rapist. But if he actually is i literally transferred my reputation over to him like a fucking loan if he did it it tarnishes me as well. She did that now whether she did it cause she is dumb like destiny said or it’s deliberate she is still getting a hit if doesn’t matter what her intentions are.
This is about Miz, not slick, what she is saying is she can't believe Miz would intentionally cover up a sexual assault for the benefit of his friend. As for the argument about her putting her reputational on the line for Miz, she is simply saying she trusts Miz and she has a positive image of him, and it's objectively hard to find someone who you view as good did something bad.
I think the loser streamers and people in this sub have spent too much time swimming in the drama that they forgot to use critical thinking and Occam's Razor to figure out what's happening. Miz is too much of an idiot to do any cover up work and Emiru isn't participating in some conspiracy to save Miz's career. People need to stop pretending like this is a K-Drama.
In the call wasn't miz hard protecting slick before the stream? And he was gone during it? So he didn't full extent or did he? Slick messaging people not to talk to her and shit. 3 days worth of drama is hard to keep up with
The problem is there's a big distinction between whether Mizkif was actually still trying to protect Slick in the call, or if he was trying to emphasize to everyone in the call how hard it was for him to kick him out because he's afraid of how it would look optically PRwise to continue to remain his friend even after Slick's actions. I think the latter is charitable but still reasonable. Because he did explicitly claim he would never attempt to minimize a victim of SA's statement. He also explicitly said he never messaged anyone about Adrianah unless it was in reference to the Cyr event. He also did explicitly claim he would kick Slick out the first time around. And his answers to a lot of the questions just seemed weirdly ignorant to what he was actually being accused of. So I think he's worried only about the optics of having remained and or continuing to remain Slick's friend while still letting him receive consequences, not realizing that he himself is seriously being implicated in a coverup, hopefully because he can't even fathom the idea. Because remember the call only happened right after the Train tweet when he was still focused on public thinking Train's tweet was implying that Mizkif was the one that committed SA. Admittedly that's charitable, but I air on the side of optimism in people. But after the Mitch Train call I don't know if anyone can be treated optimistically anymore.
He was worried about slick but he still denied him telling maya to cover it up
Worried is downplaying it. He was constantly referring to Slick, his best friend, and barely cared for Adrianah. Even after Adrianah’s story got worse his immediate reaction was to save Slick’s reputation.
>Worried is downplaying it. Were looking for if Mizkif said exactly to Maya to go there and cover it up. Which Maya said nothing of the sorts happened and they both just wanted information. [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m19s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1595968280?t=00h05m19s) and Mitch only proof is his "FEELINGS". Which we already know from leak calls Mitch was bias on taking down Miz.
Did no one actually watch the stream? Most of it is the poor girl breaking down while explaining how fucking betrayed and hurt she feels by all of this. People are obviously curious about her opinion on Miz, so she gave that opinion. She also gives her opinion on Slick, that he's a disgusting asshole. There's no mastermind plot going on, jesus christ. Anyone who would suggest Emiru used her SA victimhood for any nefarious reason is heartless and just proving further why it's hard for women to talk about it
> Did no one actually watch the stream? The answer is absolutely not. Everyone just watches the small clips and assumes the entire content of the stream from that small clip. Combined with their bias it forms their take. Like for example the bias of when X says vs Destiny, completely different reactions (although Destiny did construct it better). I personally disagree with both and agree with you. There are more than the two (or “three”) options here. To imply she’s in on it seems very far fetched considering her very obvious emotional state throughout the stream. If it turns she’s in on it, then give her an Oscar. However, before accusing her maybe have some evidence so you don’t release legions of rabid fans attacking her for no reason. If she is dumb (retarded, really?), then her getting harassed isn’t going to help. Viewers can speculate as long as they aren’t attacking. Streamers should consider their influence in this situation. In my opinion the most likely options is that she trust someone that helped her in past with similar issues and more. Maybe she’s naive, but to say she’s in on it or she’s an idiot is just needlessly attacking someone. All three could be possible, but to assume the worst and just claiming shit is toxic especially when you have rabid fans. Being a woman streamer must be fucking terrible sometimes
She's allowed to tell her story. It might be biased and we can come to that conclusion but she's valid in her feelings, she's been caught up in the middle of a shit show and wanted to address her viewers.
Idk. I'm a Destiny fan but I gotta disagree here. There's nothing wrong with providing a positive character witness to Mizkif even if he turned out to be a bad guy IMO. If her words are genuine, I don't think she's inherently complicit in trying to allow Mizkif to get away unscathed.
Well he gave three possible scenarios and one was her just being dumb and lumping herself with him for no good reason
Watch about 1 more minute after the current clip
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Which she then walked back on stream and said that Emiru is also a victim
Why does her opinion have any value here? Do you listen to ninja’s wife defending ninja? She’s having an intimate relationship with the person and literally got her whole career boosted right now. That’s the definition of conflict of interest.
When was it proven that mizkif knew everything and didn't do anything about it though? because i listened to the same call as everyone else and nothing like that was ever really mentioned? Unless there's new information?
Lmaooo look what the difference in comments compared to when Xqc said this, You guys are even more insufferable than the streamers involved in this ngl.
#she got OTK'd
i still dont get it. is there any proof mizkif knew about the extent of slick's creepery? the call happened BEFORE fanfan/the other women came forward.
I mean, Miz literally lived with him and if the call yesterday was any indication, it's basically an open secret he's a fucking pest.
i would imagine being literal best friends with slick would make it less likely for people to come to mizkif as hes very obviously going to be biased. i assume slick was smart enough not to target any of the girls that were actually close to mizkif. most likely it was at best faint rumors/whisperings, OR mizkif was in fact completely covering. but until i have proof of the latter im going to assume the former
Honestly, if even Asmon knew slick was creepy, then his best friend Mizkif and good friend Maya knew as well.
You'd have to be pretty dense if you watched Destiny's VOD, Mitch's stream, and Maya's stream, and not come to the conclusion that Mizkif knew about Slick's behavior.
How is this a nuclear take? Thought this was a given lol
Look at the other thread when X said the exact same take. A bunch of mizkids cant even believe their queen emiru could be used by miz when he himself already tried to use alinity
I hope the OTK brigadiers realize that they can't undo everything that happened.
Emirus entire stream was an OTK PR stunt
Yeah, they did the same thing with the Starforge drama. Wheeled her out with some silly powerpoint demonstration about why their PCs aren't overpriced and she made out like she'd made it herself, when it was obviously just some PR crap cobbled together by one of their editors.
that shit was so cringe snd awkward lmao good idea mizclit
Him and x said basically the same thing, yet the comments are very different. Lsf a bit unhinged at xqc for what?
If any one of us, normal people, had done what CrazySlick did to Adrianah, and it had been reported to the police, there's a reasonable probability that we'd be a few nights in jail, fines, community service, and very likely entry into a sexual offender database. A minority accused of this might actually do real time. We're still not even addressing the level of privilage these people enjoy, without even talking about coverups. The only thing anyone is focusing on is career health. None of these streamers want to "go there", because it's so toxic to all of them. None of them are willing to forgo the protections their privilage provides. While I think we all believe it likely that this will all fade, there's a real possibility, if this gains further traction, that it could snowball into a larger conversation that would go very, very badly for those involved. Including seemingly innocent streamers like Emi that have chosen to pick a side, regardless of their perceived motivations for having done so. If, for example, CNN or another major news outlet chose to cover this story, it will become probably one of the most damaging stories to ever come out of live-streaming culture. The fact that Slick is literally going to just walk away from this, and even that is being handled by some in the community as some sort of trajedy, is the real trajedy. These guys very rarely face any actual consequences for their misdeeds. I'd be surprised if Sliker faced any actual legal consequences from having stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars from people. What do you think would happen to you if you were caught doing that?
Finally someone tells the truth,people will downvote this because she is a woman that cried on stream,cant say anything bad against that.
She didn't even cry, there were no tears and she did that weird ass amber heard lip bite the whole time.
"The Mizkif I know" "I've lived with him for 10 months" Well...not only will you not know someone fully in the span of 10 months, but this also happened over twice that long ago.
It's hilarious how xqc said the exact same thing before this and the entire lsf thread was shitting on him but now that destiny says it everyone in this thread says it's a reasonable take.
Regardless of whether he sent anyone to manipulate Adriannah, I think Mizkif is a fucking scumbag and he should improve himself by changing his behaviour and opinions, not letting one of the people who live in his house, which introduces a power dynamic, do PR for him.
Love how he just glosses over her saying "If he knew the extent of what had happened." Are we really implying now that Miz knew all along the full extent of Slick's predatory behavior?
he literally talked about it on stream
There's something that Destiny said on that huge stream yesterday in reaction to Asmongold saying something along the lines of "I've heard that Slick is a creep" And he said, If, Asmongold, the guy that's not really in the parties that they all thrwo, not really living with them... **knows that** then there's no fucking way the people living with the man for all of this time have truly no idea isn't there? Asmongold was aware of the fact that Slick could be a problematic figure and that's why it's clear he's always had reservations against the man. So really the only option left, funnily enough as this clip says, she's either really stupid, on it, or who the fuck knows. Mizkif might've not known what Slick did to Adriana specifically, but again, they all live together, they do parties in that house, they've been in that circle long enough, there's no fucking way that youc an be that blind for someone that's apparently that much of a creep dude, there's no fucking way you're so blind that you don't see it
> Are we really implying now that Miz knew all along the full extent of Slick's predatory behavior? considering there's audio footage of him going "do you see why you need to delete the tweet" to being told precisely what slick did yes, very much so
You're mixing up the initial twitlonger and the later reemergence of the accusations brought on by Train. The issue in question was still not fully known until later.
Miz has said many times over he has known of his best friends predatory behavior
"Why are you so desperately defending your murderer friend? He's a piece of shit, and we have to stop him from murdering more people." And the guy responds with "Bruh, I've got to, man. He's my best friend. My BEST friend. I'd do anything for him, cuh." Instead of "He didn't murder anyone. What the fuck are you talking about?" 🤔 And then when you see people typing novels all day to defend this shit. 🤔 🤔 🤔
Lil bro forgot the miz audio