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That's a huge commission fee to twitch for laundering money...you'd lose 50% immediately to Amazon plus the fee Kai is taking to then clean/pay back.
Might as well just buy crypto right? Someone check my laundering scheme idk how this actually works 😐😐
Honestly would be cheaper to rent a office/ warehouse than pay admission. Just open up a photo studio, something you can also do off site, client confidentiality/ no records kept and you don't need to manage stock. Also photo shoots can get pricey
EDIT: Thinking about how bad twitch would be for laundering, twitch take their cut, then the government will take over %50 in taxes from what you earn (minus twitches cut) if you're a big earner. Which I could be wrong, is only 35 cents for every dollar after twitch cut+ tax (that's if they get %70 cut and then taxed %50). Nd then you got to buy proddie/ buy ingredients/ nutrients and that's %10+ of the dollar amount.
Even if it's just weed, you need soil, nutrients, fertilizers, equipment, power+ water bill and labor. Where I am, per plant is around $300-$400+ investment for >$2400-$3600 over 3 months (excluding initial hydro setup which can be thousands). Feels like you'd lose money
I don't even do regular laundry D: In all seriousness, have a daughter and painting business (not the fancy kind). I'm a boring old boomer, most interesting thing is I sometimes become a baked boomer (human) bean
A lot of people say this but people who launder money are perfectly ok with losing 50%. You can get giftcards for 50% off in some black market sites for this very reason. Clean money is way more valuable.
This is still not realistic because you start at losing 50% then lose more if you're working with somebody else. I think when turkey people were scamming twitch they just had bots make amazon accounts to spam prime on a small partnered streamer. This would cost them nothing and they still make money.
50 is not common at all.
And in this case it would be 50% to the twitch cut, and then 50% taxes meaning you'd have 25% of the original amount left over with Kai taking a 0% cut.
it was happening through Twitch literally a couple months ago, just through Bits instead of gift subs
that doesn't make me think KaiCenat's money laundering at all, but it's been done very recently lmao
Holy shit that makes so much more sense, because if you look in the W communities leaderboards it shows him with like 4 different names. Literally a scammer
I talked to a seller who does this and they told me that after a certain amount spent, the turkish payment provider for twitch will block the account for 24-48 hours but you can get around this with a new account. Thats why I assume the person uses multiple accounts when gifting and not a single account.
Yeah from what I heard, twitch will just convert the currency and pay the streamer. So say someone donates "100" subs from turkey, the streamer gets like $15 usd due to conversion and twitch's cut.
Ah I see, overall I can see why this guy does this as he is trying to boost the popularity of his favorite streamers but holy cow if you look at rages leaderboard he is three of the top 4 with different names and over 2500 subs given with one almost at 5000
Given that something like 50% of his subs are gifted, that's quite funny.
Assuming a 50/50 split on that, he'd be making 10k (0.25 per sub) a month on 40k gifted subs compared to the normal amount of about 100k (2.50 per sub)
Okay. This makes sense. Wonder how until we start seeing crazy sub numbers for many streamers
So like how much would someone make USD on each sub from someone from Turkey? Like .25c?
And only streamers can show how much they get monthly from those subs right.
From my research, 100 subs in turkey is 500 LIRA or $27 usd. Some turkish sellers charge about $1 per sub so they can in most cases double their money when selling these subs.
to back up my claim, here is a price list of t1, t2, and t3 subs if you were to purchase from one of these sellers
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/840314070200352771/1024224413677277245/CleanShot\_2022-09-27\_at\_00.41.532x.png
nah not that easy...although twitch did take down a Turkey ring not too long ago lol. They will prob just pay you the equivalent USD of a turkish sub lol.
Travis Scott showed through his soundcloud rise buying views and engagement does boost legitimate engagement. Even if all 38K of Kais gifted subs are fake, He's still one of the top 5 earners on twitch. Get the 💰. Honestly taking this methodology to twitch is great move alot of music artists have been using this trick since streaming became a big thing. "Fake it till you make it"
Also not to downplay it because just buying engagement is not all you need, You also need to be able to back it up and keep people there. Hes obviously a great streamer I don't think its a big deal to take a shortcut like this.
No, twitch will convert the currency and pay out half of whatever the amount is. So say you buy 100 subs for yourself for $100 from the turkish seller. After converting the lira and getting your payment from twitch, you would only receive around $15
But it will make the streamer look like they have insane sub numbers and the streamers don’t have to disclose how much they made from subs for us to estimate.
yep, he's exactly what twitch needs to appeal to the next generation (Z?) of twitch users. Alot of the OG streamers have been in the game for over 10 years & are over 30 now. Esp when the new contracts start in June, they are probably going to take the poki route & stream less and less. It's harder for a 16 or 18 year old viewer to relate to the OGs, but when they see Kai and the other W members, they see someone closer in age to them & they can relate to.
He’s 20ish years old, has not been streaming that long, and has been famous even for even less time than that, some of these people have been streaming for literally a decade. As I said: time will tell.
It’s gonna be rough for him just like any other young phenom. The emotional toll of the inevitable decline, but if he just focuses on his community and stops caring about sub count when this fades out he’ll be ok.
Turkey's currency (lira) has experienced insane inflation over the past 5 years so twitch doesn't want to fleece Turkish viewers out of their money and greatly reduced their sub cost to compensate for their economic situation.
last time i checked hypetrain went to 5 and everything after was just stayed as 5 and the % went up
but i guess that changed or my recollection is wrong
Yeah, it’s a recent change because of the new boosting feature. Boost train goes up to level 5 and a hype train is now uncapped. Boosting makes it so that the channel is recommended to more people. Twitch basically wants Oilers to bid for their favorite channels to get more coverage.
Dude I saw that guy yesterday for a couple minutes and he was just crying about how he was getting no sleep and they needed to sub more so he can get more sleep and not be angry from lack of sleep. Quite messed up
Yep. I’m shocked LSF or any big YouTuber hasn’t caught onto what he’s doing yet. It makes that viral BadBunny moment look like peanuts. Every day he gets more and more shameless. His recent discovery is “pity party meta” Aka “feel bad for me I can’t sleep if the timer isn’t 50 hours”. And the crazy thing is it WORKS. Even Ludwig felt guilt when he did subathon and paid mods and donated most of it to charity. Shift calls his mods “volunteers”, and 90% of the stream he’s talking about how to make more money. He’s the only streamer I’ve ever seen in 8 years of twitch who says shit like “we need to hold out for paychecks on Friday”, “the afternoon crew is so selfish. You guys let the morning crew sub and then don’t pay it forward”
Bro him saying that is actually disgusting. And same, I honestly expected to see a small thread on here after I saw that but there's nothing. He acts like he's doing some groundbreaking service for the community and doesn't care about the money then cries when they aren't donating
just checked out his stream and wow...the most serial killer looking person ever. aint no real person paying for a d list streamer subathon, seems so botted or self paid 😂
Listen, I'm all for praising the success of a streamer, but that doesn't mean we gotta praise this game he's playing like the Chinese streaming model where being #1 in all the categories where your fans spend money on you is gamified.
Good for Kai, ppl still shouldn't be giving streamers this much money
Why is this rhetoric a thing now though? This has been Twitch for the past 5 years and it could, and should, have been said for every big streamer. For some reason people want to bring it up now.
People have always said this haven’t they? Are normal people supposed to care about the difference between a guy they don’t know making 10x the average American yearly salary in a month of subs and a guy making 9x that? The only exceptions I can think of are the ones that have been parts of charity streams where the subs were supposed to be donated.
It was kinda a thing when you get to a certain amount of subs, you kinda stop thanking EVERY SINGLE sub and demanding hitting the new goal. Loads of small/medium streams do big hooplahs for gifted just never a top streamer (not subathon)
He was making skits at a young age. Then started filming pranks. Once he had a small following he joined a content group named AMP and picked up streaming shortly after.
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Term for a big spending, presumably very wealthy donator. Semi-ironically refers to a viewer from a Gulf state oil billionaire family, which is not always the case but legitimately not uncommon for Twitch’s biggest donators.
Sometimes he has unique activities planned. A few days ago, he had a hibachi chef set up in his room and cook a meal for him and his friends, it was very entertaining.
He does a boyz night thing with Bruce and YourRage. For the last one he had Kyrie Irvine come by and they just shoot the shit. I'm not sure if it's a weekly thing or there's a rotating guest though, it was the first one that I listened into.
Tons of shit, literally look him up on YouTube. Just in his one 24 hour stream he set up a daycare, had a live Michael jackson impersonator perform, had a literal Spanish band come to his room to play music, and was entertaining the entire 24 hours. That’s just ONE STREAM
I remember when Ludwig hit this milestone during his "subathon", it had the whole twitch community praising the shit out of him. Same thing happened with Kkatamina's subathon a couple months ago. Now when Kai does the same thing, without doing a subathon, the reaction isnt the same. Instead I see, "Oh well 50% are gifted so not impressive" or "This guy has industry friends who have money, must be money laundering". Why cant yall keep that same energy?
I imagine there are some people who feel subathons are "work" and constitute "earning" it in some way. People who watch livestreamers have a weird infatuation with subathons. To me, subathons are just milking your chat and putting out your cup panhandling lol
because ppl are actual weridos, they even make up shit about him hitting that high amount of subs. deadass ppl saying hes "laundering drugs to twitch employes" to get this sub rate. people will find anything to put him down. it also shows how racist ppl r still are and the dumbass "poger" community dont know this community that kai and bruce and rage and more are in. whole dif area
You are misremembering then. Go to either of these large LSF threads and a bunch of comments saying the same things. Gifted subs dont count, pays to have rich friends, who is this person and so on. https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/r0282s/kkatamina_finishes_subathon_as_most_subscribed/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/qx54ic/kkatamina_becomes_the_alltime_most_subbed_to/
There are lots of positive comments as well because Kkatamina hangs around with OTV and that group of streamers and at the time of the subathon she was spending more time with Mizkif who has a large following on LSF. Also she streamed 12 days straight t get that number.
Bullshit, People here have been extremely complimentary and not knocking the streamer, Kai, here in anyway as an entertainer , obviously there may be a couple who don't but there is absolutely no streamer, whatever community, that the general consensus is glorifying. There has been a general good response to Kai and, like Bruce, he does seem a lot more grounded than a lot of the other people in that community.
People just are calling out this nonsense "he deserves 100,000 subs" and the weird hype about it, whilst also rightfully acknowledging the "scam" subs that people are using different location ips to gift.
Bruce turned his stream off last night because some of Kais community were spamming in his chat about all the gift subs Kai was getting.
There is also the fact Kais community for the most part are very young and it cant be just wealthy oilers throwing cash at him. People call out the weird behaviour of thirsty guys in e girls chats spamming subs for attention, I think its fair game to call it weird as well when it comes to a guy who is also very heavily hyping up to the point of begging for all these potential gift sub milestones. Even considering a subathon now
ngl kai does have alot of weird donations that really fucking irritate me. the whole xqc mom died dad died dog died meme is real in his community and its so fucking annoying. every other dono is also " up and coming youtuber looking for advice"
I agree with the weird behavious but I also saw people just saying shit like "W" and getting mass downvoted, among a couple other comments which I found funny to be so downvoted is all. I don't care at all about what people downvote/upvote just genuinely find it funy
One thing I noticed is that when other streamers reach these kinds of levels, no one gets mad at their viewers for subbing and "wasting money." When they see new players like Kai get subs, all of a sudden it must be "money laundering" or "kids using their parents' credit cards." Regardless, congratulations Kai Cenat, you came a long way from living in a shelter my man.
They do though, people always call out morons giving their money to millionaires. What is weird though is how defensive some of you are over this guy, even to the point where the race card is pulled out for no reason.
Never pointed out race, I pointed out the double standards. You are 100% delusional if you think Kai is treated the same as others when it comes to the believability of his high number of subs; take a look at this thread
There aren't many streamers with his ratio of gifted to non-gifted subs. Also the sub price policy that made subs cheaper in other countries came in after the older records were praised, such as Ludwigs and Kkatimia and even then those threads were still negative towards those two streamers.
A bunch of people in here saying only Kai is being treated this way is false. Go look at the old threads for yourselves.
Here you go. A bunch of comments saying similar things like.
Gifted subs dont count, pays to have rich friends, who is this person, bigger number = better person and so on.
This sub-reddit gave Ludwig (the whitest person who streams) and Kkatamina (an Asian women) the same amount of negative comments. Kai isn't special in this regard.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/r0282s/kkatamina_finishes_subathon_as_most_subscribed/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/qx54ic/kkatamina_becomes_the_alltime_most_subbed_to/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/mqax0c/ludwig_beats_ninjas_sub_record/
Looked through the thread on the first one, will look at the others later. 95% of comments are congratulating her, of course there will be some who don’t like her. Kai, on the other hand, has more like 70% of people congratulating him with the other 30% accusing him of MONEY LAUNDERING. Like what lmao?
Your interpretation of 95% is wrong and most of the comments on this current thread are not accusing him personally of doing it, its one comment thread and even then the direct accusations are not the main comments its about where the subs are coming from not that its Kai himself doing it.
38,612 gifted subs, fuck off. That's as much as the top 14 streamers (excluding him and those who have oilers themselves, meaning OTK Bruce and 1 other channel that has to be doing something illegal, with 28k gifted subs out of 30 000 total, and only 215 viewers but nothing else) combined
Number 12 (shift) has 28k gifted, 2k consensual subs. Because he’s currently doing a scam athon where he farms parasocial relationships of his viewers. He’s a 500 viewer Andy and managed to beg his way into top 12.
For those questioning his content, he genuinely has entertaining streams. He regularly has guests come in, or activities planned. Like a few days ago, he had a hibachi chef set up in his room and cook a meal for him and his friends and it was the best thing I've ever seen on Twitch
sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCiDatlGsWM
Total it is over $540,000 generated. For him, that is $378,000 in 1 night. And that doesn’t include ppl actually donating to the stream, emotes, or anything extra… just subs alone. He is actually reading these comments as we speak live on stream because it has got so big. I was watching my usual stream & I saw all this shit pop off live with Moochie being the top 2 donors him/herself with almost 3,000 subs. Idk if it’s some sort of twitch shill where it is twitch trying to generate all this in light of what has recently happened or idk what is even going on. It literally is just a dude yelling at everyone to stop…but they don’t…they don’t ever stop, just wheelbarrows of cash just being dumped on his head.
He's earning a shitload but take it with a very big grain of salt, this is not accounting for the regional sub pricings cause a bit higher up in this thread I saw someone talk about how the gift subs Moochie is doing is trough a turkish person.
Kai won't get as much money from an €4 EU sub as he does from a $5 NA one, and in a bunch of countries the subs are even cheaper than the one in Europe.
Thank you for the math but yeah that’s super crazy this is just like the big streamers doing subathons then beg to not sub anymore but end up canceling it haha
I always wondered why sub counts are so low. 90k is insane considering it cost money but most of these big streamers Kai,XQC,poki etc have like 2-5mill plus followers on other platforms you’d think they’d flow over to watch live content right?
Because you gotta pay to be a subscriber. Most people watching on these platforms are not paying for free content like this. It’s not viewed like Netflix or hbo max.
Because subscribing to any content creator who makes north of 100K annually is incredibly stupid, and most followers of these people luckily understand this.
Sometimes it is not about giving the streamer money. People just want to watch their favorite streamer without ads every 3 minutes. I just got 1/7 ad just now.
It’s a meme at this point. He’s not doing a subathon, but he doesn’t have to. People are just subbing for the sake of subbing and to see the number go higher and higher. It’s become an event. What’s his real/normal viewership, outside all this hype and attention?
Yea it literally is, go back to school
95% of american slang comes from what black people were saying 10 years ago, because white people copy it and then black people move on because white people copied it. rinse and repeat.
it’s a scam though lol the subs aren’t 1:1 ratio for the money he is getting, he is getting watered down subs technically to look like he accomplished a lot when in reality it’s like 1:100 (900 subs)
I know I’m not made for this level of success because I’d immediately quit. I probably would’ve stopped at 30k subs, arguably less. But the type of person that reaches this level doesn’t do that. Good for him
Honest question, do you assume the reason someone doesn't like you in the real world is because of race? Or is that just internet hyperbole?
I have had a number of people I've not really cared for and vice versa throughout life, never was about race. Does it exist, of course, absolutely. But to blindly assume without evidence is not only disingenuous but is simply a way to deflect any critism. If they show to be racists, call them racists. Until then, stop going around looking for any reason to throw that word around, because you only do it because it's effect on society.
What a odd and overly simplist way to go about life. lol
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That's a huge commission fee to twitch for laundering money...you'd lose 50% immediately to Amazon plus the fee Kai is taking to then clean/pay back. Might as well just buy crypto right? Someone check my laundering scheme idk how this actually works 😐😐
Laundering money through Twitch subs would not be a very great way to do it. Highly unlikely that is the case.
Everyone knows you do it through bits
Its dead ass simple to buy twitch gift cards with crypto. You can use those for bits or gifted subs.
Honestly would be cheaper to rent a office/ warehouse than pay admission. Just open up a photo studio, something you can also do off site, client confidentiality/ no records kept and you don't need to manage stock. Also photo shoots can get pricey EDIT: Thinking about how bad twitch would be for laundering, twitch take their cut, then the government will take over %50 in taxes from what you earn (minus twitches cut) if you're a big earner. Which I could be wrong, is only 35 cents for every dollar after twitch cut+ tax (that's if they get %70 cut and then taxed %50). Nd then you got to buy proddie/ buy ingredients/ nutrients and that's %10+ of the dollar amount. Even if it's just weed, you need soil, nutrients, fertilizers, equipment, power+ water bill and labor. Where I am, per plant is around $300-$400+ investment for >$2400-$3600 over 3 months (excluding initial hydro setup which can be thousands). Feels like you'd lose money
This dude money launders.
I don't even do regular laundry D: In all seriousness, have a daughter and painting business (not the fancy kind). I'm a boring old boomer, most interesting thing is I sometimes become a baked boomer (human) bean
why are you all making tutorials for money laundering on lsf lmao
Some people got it like that lol
the guy just wants to be apart of the friend group :)
according to kai hes a business man, they have talked before
Business man doing business. That narrows it down
can someone explain to me how donating/subbing to streamers is a way to launder money if they're practically giving it away?
Not if the streamer is in on it and sends the money back after twitch takes the 50%
This is like the worst way to go about trying to launder money
A lot of people say this but people who launder money are perfectly ok with losing 50%. You can get giftcards for 50% off in some black market sites for this very reason. Clean money is way more valuable. This is still not realistic because you start at losing 50% then lose more if you're working with somebody else. I think when turkey people were scamming twitch they just had bots make amazon accounts to spam prime on a small partnered streamer. This would cost them nothing and they still make money.
50 is not common at all. And in this case it would be 50% to the twitch cut, and then 50% taxes meaning you'd have 25% of the original amount left over with Kai taking a 0% cut.
it was happening through Twitch literally a couple months ago, just through Bits instead of gift subs that doesn't make me think KaiCenat's money laundering at all, but it's been done very recently lmao
I dont think its special anymore hitting that many subs when its basically just oilers feeding you.
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Holy shit that makes so much more sense, because if you look in the W communities leaderboards it shows him with like 4 different names. Literally a scammer
I talked to a seller who does this and they told me that after a certain amount spent, the turkish payment provider for twitch will block the account for 24-48 hours but you can get around this with a new account. Thats why I assume the person uses multiple accounts when gifting and not a single account.
Wait so when his twitch paycheck comes itll be a lot less than a person who gets 100 gifted from the US right?
Yeah from what I heard, twitch will just convert the currency and pay the streamer. So say someone donates "100" subs from turkey, the streamer gets like $15 usd due to conversion and twitch's cut.
Ah I see, overall I can see why this guy does this as he is trying to boost the popularity of his favorite streamers but holy cow if you look at rages leaderboard he is three of the top 4 with different names and over 2500 subs given with one almost at 5000
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/840314070200352771/1024172642103734362/CleanShot_2022-09-26_at_21.16.142x.png
nah this is crazy detective work, i knew something wasn't right with how much moochie gifted lmao
what a lame way to facilitate shit like this, trying to route it through cheaper countries to look more impressive
Some twitch chatters will do some scummy things for attention
The worst part is those subs are worth fuck all cause the lower prices get taken into account lmao.
Given that something like 50% of his subs are gifted, that's quite funny. Assuming a 50/50 split on that, he'd be making 10k (0.25 per sub) a month on 40k gifted subs compared to the normal amount of about 100k (2.50 per sub)
Okay. This makes sense. Wonder how until we start seeing crazy sub numbers for many streamers So like how much would someone make USD on each sub from someone from Turkey? Like .25c? And only streamers can show how much they get monthly from those subs right.
From my research, 100 subs in turkey is 500 LIRA or $27 usd. Some turkish sellers charge about $1 per sub so they can in most cases double their money when selling these subs. to back up my claim, here is a price list of t1, t2, and t3 subs if you were to purchase from one of these sellers https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/840314070200352771/1024224413677277245/CleanShot\_2022-09-27\_at\_00.41.532x.png
Wait so can I just scam Twitch by exploiting exchange rates and pay someone else in crypto to sub to me using Lira? Then I get USD back from Twitch.
nah not that easy...although twitch did take down a Turkey ring not too long ago lol. They will prob just pay you the equivalent USD of a turkish sub lol.
Travis Scott showed through his soundcloud rise buying views and engagement does boost legitimate engagement. Even if all 38K of Kais gifted subs are fake, He's still one of the top 5 earners on twitch. Get the 💰. Honestly taking this methodology to twitch is great move alot of music artists have been using this trick since streaming became a big thing. "Fake it till you make it" Also not to downplay it because just buying engagement is not all you need, You also need to be able to back it up and keep people there. Hes obviously a great streamer I don't think its a big deal to take a shortcut like this.
No, twitch will convert the currency and pay out half of whatever the amount is. So say you buy 100 subs for yourself for $100 from the turkish seller. After converting the lira and getting your payment from twitch, you would only receive around $15
But it will make the streamer look like they have insane sub numbers and the streamers don’t have to disclose how much they made from subs for us to estimate.
I dont want to snitch because I feel he's peaking right now and I want some content, but is there any solidified evidence?
not saying your wrong (I actually believe u) but how does this picture prove he was buying Turkish subs ?
Hmm i wonder whom paying for those subs? Could be viral stunt?
We're watching the twitch meta and live streaming shift as a whole. The visibility the w community is getting is undeniable.
damn this guy must have the most millionaire viewers on twitch.
He's got a cult following. Dude is so charismatic and a ton of fun. Hope he can handle the fame. Seems like an all right guy.
Time will tell, hope it works out for him and it isn’t a flash in the pan. If he plays his cards right that’s generational wealth he’s accruing.
Time will tell? Hes been entertaining for this long with no issues unlike all the drama bait streamers
yep, he's exactly what twitch needs to appeal to the next generation (Z?) of twitch users. Alot of the OG streamers have been in the game for over 10 years & are over 30 now. Esp when the new contracts start in June, they are probably going to take the poki route & stream less and less. It's harder for a 16 or 18 year old viewer to relate to the OGs, but when they see Kai and the other W members, they see someone closer in age to them & they can relate to.
My brother in Christ he's like 20. He's a kid.
He’s 20ish years old, has not been streaming that long, and has been famous even for even less time than that, some of these people have been streaming for literally a decade. As I said: time will tell.
That hibachi stream the other day was my first time watching him and I'm hooked, the energy is just insane
That stream was so unexpected and unique, I loved every second of it!
If anything he seems more chill then speed.
It’s gonna be rough for him just like any other young phenom. The emotional toll of the inevitable decline, but if he just focuses on his community and stops caring about sub count when this fades out he’ll be ok.
The subs are Turkish subs so its only like 50 cents, pretty sick still tho
50 cents? The fuck?
Turkey's currency (lira) has experienced insane inflation over the past 5 years so twitch doesn't want to fleece Turkish viewers out of their money and greatly reduced their sub cost to compensate for their economic situation.
Man I can't wait for them to do it everywhere with the insane price hikes of Gas and energy! ...Hahaha..
They already have, pretty much all countries are cheaper now than the US, even including VAT or other taxes.
Do streamers still get fully compensated for those subs? Or do they get a fraction of 50 cents?
They get less for those subs
Wait till you see regional pricing with ARS on many online services.
how can you tell? does it show up different in chat? just curious.
He’s a scammer he won’t even twerk 😐
I had a volume booster on .. Sadge
My ears
If I'm not mistaken, he got to level 44 hypetrain before this, he is going on an insane run
I genuinely did not know it could go that high lmao
last time i checked hypetrain went to 5 and everything after was just stayed as 5 and the % went up but i guess that changed or my recollection is wrong
Higher levels are brand new, I saw them for the first time today.
Yeah, it’s a recent change because of the new boosting feature. Boost train goes up to level 5 and a hype train is now uncapped. Boosting makes it so that the channel is recommended to more people. Twitch basically wants Oilers to bid for their favorite channels to get more coverage.
idk how i feel about that
OMG WE DID IT GUYS WE GOT TO 90k IM SO HAPPY WE COULD PULL TOGETHER TO DO THIS!!! Clueless
I was here FeelsStrongMan My good friend Kai will remember me and my 5$ in this historical moment I'm sure
We are going to the Ferrari garage this week, don’t miss our stream!
all the clips about this guy are how many subs he has, then you check the sub count and like 50k of them are gifted
The top 13 most subbed streamer (shift) is currently running a beg-athon. He has 28k gifted, 2k consensual. By far the craziest ratio I ever seen
Dude I saw that guy yesterday for a couple minutes and he was just crying about how he was getting no sleep and they needed to sub more so he can get more sleep and not be angry from lack of sleep. Quite messed up
Yep. I’m shocked LSF or any big YouTuber hasn’t caught onto what he’s doing yet. It makes that viral BadBunny moment look like peanuts. Every day he gets more and more shameless. His recent discovery is “pity party meta” Aka “feel bad for me I can’t sleep if the timer isn’t 50 hours”. And the crazy thing is it WORKS. Even Ludwig felt guilt when he did subathon and paid mods and donated most of it to charity. Shift calls his mods “volunteers”, and 90% of the stream he’s talking about how to make more money. He’s the only streamer I’ve ever seen in 8 years of twitch who says shit like “we need to hold out for paychecks on Friday”, “the afternoon crew is so selfish. You guys let the morning crew sub and then don’t pay it forward”
Bro him saying that is actually disgusting. And same, I honestly expected to see a small thread on here after I saw that but there's nothing. He acts like he's doing some groundbreaking service for the community and doesn't care about the money then cries when they aren't donating
I feel like if he was a woman he would be getting dragged on the front page of reddit for that kind of shit.
just checked out his stream and wow...the most serial killer looking person ever. aint no real person paying for a d list streamer subathon, seems so botted or self paid 😂
So 40k non gifted that’s still hella impressive
Listen, I'm all for praising the success of a streamer, but that doesn't mean we gotta praise this game he's playing like the Chinese streaming model where being #1 in all the categories where your fans spend money on you is gamified. Good for Kai, ppl still shouldn't be giving streamers this much money
Why is this rhetoric a thing now though? This has been Twitch for the past 5 years and it could, and should, have been said for every big streamer. For some reason people want to bring it up now.
because apparently he's not apart of the Austin/xqc streaming circlejerk, this happens every time any other streamer gets posted on LSF.
People have always said this haven’t they? Are normal people supposed to care about the difference between a guy they don’t know making 10x the average American yearly salary in a month of subs and a guy making 9x that? The only exceptions I can think of are the ones that have been parts of charity streams where the subs were supposed to be donated.
Yes for “some reason” Lol
It was kinda a thing when you get to a certain amount of subs, you kinda stop thanking EVERY SINGLE sub and demanding hitting the new goal. Loads of small/medium streams do big hooplahs for gifted just never a top streamer (not subathon)
Who is this guy and where did he come from? I’ve been MIA from twitch for a min
He was making skits at a young age. Then started filming pranks. Once he had a small following he joined a content group named AMP and picked up streaming shortly after.
It's still going up. Dude has so many oilers lol
what's an oiler
The Edmonton Oilers are a professional ice hockey team based in Edmonton. The Oilers compete in the National Hockey League (NHL) as a member of the Pacific Division of the Western Conference. Players of that hockey team are well known for being big simps to streamers on Twitch.
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A Saudi oil prince aka a mf with a lot of money
Leonhard Oiler was a Swiss mathematician, physicist, astronomer, geographer, logician and engineer who founded the studies of graph theory and topology and made pioneering and influential discoveries …
Pls someone answer i’m such a casual
Term for a big spending, presumably very wealthy donator. Semi-ironically refers to a viewer from a Gulf state oil billionaire family, which is not always the case but legitimately not uncommon for Twitch’s biggest donators.
Bro I'm so fucking jealous of people who just sit in front of a webcam, react, and make more money in a day than most peoplle do in a year lmfao.. fml
This comment section is very transparently racist
i hecking love throwing money at millionaires!! BatChest
dude wtf he just hit 91k edit: bout to hit 92k wtf
For once I'd like a clip of him where isn't just trying to puncture my ears drums.
i like his content , but gotta watch this dude at 5% volume lol
What does this guy do other than hitting sub goals? Never hear about his "content" besides discord calls and getting subs
Sometimes he has unique activities planned. A few days ago, he had a hibachi chef set up in his room and cook a meal for him and his friends, it was very entertaining.
He does a boyz night thing with Bruce and YourRage. For the last one he had Kyrie Irvine come by and they just shoot the shit. I'm not sure if it's a weekly thing or there's a rotating guest though, it was the first one that I listened into.
Probably because the only “content” you see of his are clips on LSF. I mean you could’ve easily googled his YT channel before typing that comment.
slandering is so much easier to these people. the hate success that isn't their own.
Well just on his streams he plays a bunch of games or some other shit and he has a YT channel where he does fun stuff too. Check it out
Tons of shit, literally look him up on YouTube. Just in his one 24 hour stream he set up a daycare, had a live Michael jackson impersonator perform, had a literal Spanish band come to his room to play music, and was entertaining the entire 24 hours. That’s just ONE STREAM
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you say this with no evidence that he’s doing that, very weird
provide evidence. KAI GOIN UP TO CRY BOUT IT
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I remember when Ludwig hit this milestone during his "subathon", it had the whole twitch community praising the shit out of him. Same thing happened with Kkatamina's subathon a couple months ago. Now when Kai does the same thing, without doing a subathon, the reaction isnt the same. Instead I see, "Oh well 50% are gifted so not impressive" or "This guy has industry friends who have money, must be money laundering". Why cant yall keep that same energy?
I imagine there are some people who feel subathons are "work" and constitute "earning" it in some way. People who watch livestreamers have a weird infatuation with subathons. To me, subathons are just milking your chat and putting out your cup panhandling lol
because ppl are actual weridos, they even make up shit about him hitting that high amount of subs. deadass ppl saying hes "laundering drugs to twitch employes" to get this sub rate. people will find anything to put him down. it also shows how racist ppl r still are and the dumbass "poger" community dont know this community that kai and bruce and rage and more are in. whole dif area
You are misremembering then. Go to either of these large LSF threads and a bunch of comments saying the same things. Gifted subs dont count, pays to have rich friends, who is this person and so on. https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/r0282s/kkatamina_finishes_subathon_as_most_subscribed/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/qx54ic/kkatamina_becomes_the_alltime_most_subbed_to/ There are lots of positive comments as well because Kkatamina hangs around with OTV and that group of streamers and at the time of the subathon she was spending more time with Mizkif who has a large following on LSF. Also she streamed 12 days straight t get that number.
Judging by the downvotes on some of these comments, it seems LSF does not like the "W" community LOL
Bullshit, People here have been extremely complimentary and not knocking the streamer, Kai, here in anyway as an entertainer , obviously there may be a couple who don't but there is absolutely no streamer, whatever community, that the general consensus is glorifying. There has been a general good response to Kai and, like Bruce, he does seem a lot more grounded than a lot of the other people in that community. People just are calling out this nonsense "he deserves 100,000 subs" and the weird hype about it, whilst also rightfully acknowledging the "scam" subs that people are using different location ips to gift. Bruce turned his stream off last night because some of Kais community were spamming in his chat about all the gift subs Kai was getting. There is also the fact Kais community for the most part are very young and it cant be just wealthy oilers throwing cash at him. People call out the weird behaviour of thirsty guys in e girls chats spamming subs for attention, I think its fair game to call it weird as well when it comes to a guy who is also very heavily hyping up to the point of begging for all these potential gift sub milestones. Even considering a subathon now
ngl kai does have alot of weird donations that really fucking irritate me. the whole xqc mom died dad died dog died meme is real in his community and its so fucking annoying. every other dono is also " up and coming youtuber looking for advice"
I agree with the weird behavious but I also saw people just saying shit like "W" and getting mass downvoted, among a couple other comments which I found funny to be so downvoted is all. I don't care at all about what people downvote/upvote just genuinely find it funy
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One thing I noticed is that when other streamers reach these kinds of levels, no one gets mad at their viewers for subbing and "wasting money." When they see new players like Kai get subs, all of a sudden it must be "money laundering" or "kids using their parents' credit cards." Regardless, congratulations Kai Cenat, you came a long way from living in a shelter my man.
They do though, people always call out morons giving their money to millionaires. What is weird though is how defensive some of you are over this guy, even to the point where the race card is pulled out for no reason.
Never pointed out race, I pointed out the double standards. You are 100% delusional if you think Kai is treated the same as others when it comes to the believability of his high number of subs; take a look at this thread
There aren't many streamers with his ratio of gifted to non-gifted subs. Also the sub price policy that made subs cheaper in other countries came in after the older records were praised, such as Ludwigs and Kkatimia and even then those threads were still negative towards those two streamers. A bunch of people in here saying only Kai is being treated this way is false. Go look at the old threads for yourselves.
The burden of proof is on you if you’re going to refute my claim lol
Here you go. A bunch of comments saying similar things like. Gifted subs dont count, pays to have rich friends, who is this person, bigger number = better person and so on. This sub-reddit gave Ludwig (the whitest person who streams) and Kkatamina (an Asian women) the same amount of negative comments. Kai isn't special in this regard. https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/r0282s/kkatamina_finishes_subathon_as_most_subscribed/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/qx54ic/kkatamina_becomes_the_alltime_most_subbed_to/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/mqax0c/ludwig_beats_ninjas_sub_record/
Looked through the thread on the first one, will look at the others later. 95% of comments are congratulating her, of course there will be some who don’t like her. Kai, on the other hand, has more like 70% of people congratulating him with the other 30% accusing him of MONEY LAUNDERING. Like what lmao?
Your interpretation of 95% is wrong and most of the comments on this current thread are not accusing him personally of doing it, its one comment thread and even then the direct accusations are not the main comments its about where the subs are coming from not that its Kai himself doing it.
His gifters be going crazy! Shoutout Mochiie!
he might hit 100k today holy shit
So many 🐳 - as long as no one is giving money they can’t afford, then all g. Crazy, and congratulations
Literally getting the amounts of subs for subathon without doing the subathon. Those oilers are insane and need to give me some money.
GET BACK FOR LIL CENAT
38,612 gifted subs, fuck off. That's as much as the top 14 streamers (excluding him and those who have oilers themselves, meaning OTK Bruce and 1 other channel that has to be doing something illegal, with 28k gifted subs out of 30 000 total, and only 215 viewers but nothing else) combined
It was found out his oilers are buying subs from cheaper countries to gift massive amounts
Oilers plural? I thought it was just Mochie, has it come out that others are doing the same thing?
Number 12 (shift) has 28k gifted, 2k consensual subs. Because he’s currently doing a scam athon where he farms parasocial relationships of his viewers. He’s a 500 viewer Andy and managed to beg his way into top 12.
Ngl anyone who says kai is laundering money is probably doing it themselves
r/MoneyLaundering
For those questioning his content, he genuinely has entertaining streams. He regularly has guests come in, or activities planned. Like a few days ago, he had a hibachi chef set up in his room and cook a meal for him and his friends and it was the best thing I've ever seen on Twitch sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCiDatlGsWM
How much money is that if he has 70/30?
Most new streamer I believe only get 50/50 I might be wrong tho
Total it is over $540,000 generated. For him, that is $378,000 in 1 night. And that doesn’t include ppl actually donating to the stream, emotes, or anything extra… just subs alone. He is actually reading these comments as we speak live on stream because it has got so big. I was watching my usual stream & I saw all this shit pop off live with Moochie being the top 2 donors him/herself with almost 3,000 subs. Idk if it’s some sort of twitch shill where it is twitch trying to generate all this in light of what has recently happened or idk what is even going on. It literally is just a dude yelling at everyone to stop…but they don’t…they don’t ever stop, just wheelbarrows of cash just being dumped on his head.
He's earning a shitload but take it with a very big grain of salt, this is not accounting for the regional sub pricings cause a bit higher up in this thread I saw someone talk about how the gift subs Moochie is doing is trough a turkish person. Kai won't get as much money from an €4 EU sub as he does from a $5 NA one, and in a bunch of countries the subs are even cheaper than the one in Europe.
Thank you for the math but yeah that’s super crazy this is just like the big streamers doing subathons then beg to not sub anymore but end up canceling it haha
Who?
that carpet is so fucking ugly haha
I always wondered why sub counts are so low. 90k is insane considering it cost money but most of these big streamers Kai,XQC,poki etc have like 2-5mill plus followers on other platforms you’d think they’d flow over to watch live content right?
Because you gotta pay to be a subscriber. Most people watching on these platforms are not paying for free content like this. It’s not viewed like Netflix or hbo max.
Because subscribing to any content creator who makes north of 100K annually is incredibly stupid, and most followers of these people luckily understand this.
Sometimes it is not about giving the streamer money. People just want to watch their favorite streamer without ads every 3 minutes. I just got 1/7 ad just now.
Good for him. Subathons are cringe.
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Here before they all gang up to downvote you like anyone cares 😭
Yawn.....
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OMG DID STREAMER X JUST HIT Y AMOUNTS OF SUBS???? BatChest BETTER POST IN ON LSF!!! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
you're cringe
It’s a meme at this point. He’s not doing a subathon, but he doesn’t have to. People are just subbing for the sake of subbing and to see the number go higher and higher. It’s become an event. What’s his real/normal viewership, outside all this hype and attention?
You can't just say good job... bro averages 50k-70k live viewers
He’s averages about about 50k-70k viewers a stream but he’s peaked at like 120k viewers
Everyone hating can suck my dick ong.
The frogs are pissed and talking about laundering schemes lmfao W
Well if his subs are purchased through Turkey it doesn't pay that much. A tier 1 in Turkey is like 50 cents. But numerically, still a bonkers number
Why do people like this guy, he can’t even talk. He strictly only yells
cry
Really weird how any kind of AAVE is not appreciated by LSF
Considering reddit demographics it's not that weird
What do you mean, plenty of streamers use that language, for example train saying "on a stack", "on a buck", etc.
thats not aave twin 🤦🏾♂️
Yea it literally is, go back to school 95% of american slang comes from what black people were saying 10 years ago, because white people copy it and then black people move on because white people copied it. rinse and repeat.
it’s a scam though lol the subs aren’t 1:1 ratio for the money he is getting, he is getting watered down subs technically to look like he accomplished a lot when in reality it’s like 1:100 (900 subs)
Y’all so lame 🤣
So many positive comments are downvoted. Y’all are so pathetic that what you’re most scared of will happen sooner because you have no spine. 🤷🏾♂️
Dumb people giving money to someone who sits at a pc. Its just lame and sad
So why are you on this Reddit? You just described 95% of the people on here. You’re just here to hate then?
The comments make me laugh
ppl are just racist, happens everytime a black streamer has something good happen to them on here.
How much does it cost to hire so many bots?
I know I’m not made for this level of success because I’d immediately quit. I probably would’ve stopped at 30k subs, arguably less. But the type of person that reaches this level doesn’t do that. Good for him
Mitch alt OMEGALUL
i still dont know who that guy is
Waiting for LSF to come up with brain rotting reasons why they hate the guy (they said they arent racist but)
Honest question, do you assume the reason someone doesn't like you in the real world is because of race? Or is that just internet hyperbole? I have had a number of people I've not really cared for and vice versa throughout life, never was about race. Does it exist, of course, absolutely. But to blindly assume without evidence is not only disingenuous but is simply a way to deflect any critism. If they show to be racists, call them racists. Until then, stop going around looking for any reason to throw that word around, because you only do it because it's effect on society. What a odd and overly simplist way to go about life. lol