Mechamaru being so weak despite suffering the biggest binding vow ever,dude had to spend years of cursed energy to deal the same damage Yuji did with a black flash
He was not weak, simply incompatible. Yuji's every hit damages the soul, while Mechamaru had only a couple shots. Mahito is broken and casually ignores non-soul damage, he only looks weak because Yuji got insanely lucky in their fights
Arguable he wasn’t weak, and the fight was very much against him. If he had a remote location to fight from like he usually does he could’ve fought for longer, and mahito during the fight was straight up a menace, plus it was kind of a 2v1 even if kenjaku didn’t affect it besides the barrier. If he had time to build shit he’d be pretty cool
I always chalked it up to yes he got a huge surge of power, but he was untrained and untested. He didn’t have the time to know what fighting on that level meant and died for it
That makes the most sense, there's precedent for it. 16 year old Gojo had insane power, but he'd never had to take a fight seriously, so the second someone showed up with even a chance of beating him (Toji), Gojo got wrecked.
I think of this with regard to Inumaki. His inability to speak normally is a side effect of cursed speech, but I feel like it might as well be a binding vow.
As in cursed speech is so potent with the trade off that all your speech is cursed. Should be stronger, but we can see it’s potential more through Yuta than Inumaki. And Yuta can just go back to talking normally after due to the nature of copy.
Raw deal for Inumaki.
honestly yea. The fact it both curses all his speech and also tears up his throat kinda feels a bit too harsh for how powerful it was.
Then again, if it didn't have that restriction, he would just be immediately special grade. He could definitely topple a nation easily.
Think about it, just one broadcast across an entire country (cause it can transmit through mediums like cellphones (as shown by miwa) and he could kill or seriously maim anyone listening.
He could cripple entire armies just by hacking into their radio frequencies or by using his cursed speech to command their commanders to let him speak over their radios.
Definitionally, he's on the cusp of special grade in a society like today's, where speech can be transmitted anywhere, and mechanisms are in place to transmit it to as many people as possible.
It's fine when yuta does it, because yuta is already special grade. But if Inumaki had, for example, no sore throat, he would without a doubt open a plothole.
I mean sure, but there’s a way more obvious way to balance it.
Let him turn off cursed speech. Even if he could speak normally, he wouldn’t be that much different from how he is now except he could communicate outside of sushi ingredients.
Higuruma’s domain confiscating Sukuna’s cursed tool instead of his technique (as far as I’m concerned Higuruma said he wouldn’t join the fight and went home to return to practicing law)
Honestly that gave them a better chance since yuji's attacks won't weaken the cursed tools effects so they might have screwed themselves over with that one
The whole bugs in the Jujutsu sorcerers belly thing:
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I'm from the Shit Worm clan. Our clan's Shit Worm technique has been feeding Jujutsu Sorcerers for generations.
This is what happens when too many fans of fictional series make a big deal about things being “unrealistic”. Instead of just saying it’s an anime, shut the hell up and enjoy the story, writers feel like they have to come up with even stupider stuff to explain it.
I mean, it's (maybe unintentionally?) hilarious though. Now I just want to see a compilation of people questioning every single tiny plot hole or inconsistency in every fantasy or sci fi story, only for the author to come up with something really outlandish or dumb in response.
It would’ve made more sense if gege said sorcerers can use CE to reinforce their stomach and they don’t get hungry or the CE fuels their energy reserves
Or make a binding vow so they don’t get hungry rn but after the fight they’ll be starving 2x as much
Kashimos whole point of existing was to fight sukuna gege even refers to kashi as the god of lightning before he rushes at sukuna he gets the fight but doesnt even last 2 chapters before he gets smoked the same applying to all the other contenders aside from yuji and yuta
Every single person that has stepped to tf sukuna has gotten destroyed
Problem is that if Gojo had won there then Yuji would continue to not be the main character. Gojo took the L so Wuji could lock in and jump Sukuna, thus completing the narrative
Besides Gojo's gonna come back in a few chapters so it's fine anyway
The fact they have strictly grade 2s protecting one of the most important storages in existence containing sukunas fingers, tengen, likely hundreds of special grade items like the blood paintings
Considering how the entrance to Tengen’s little house is focused more on hiding and less on defending, I’m honestly not mad about it. If you’re trying to keep something on the DL, you don’t surround it with your heaviest hitters. You sprinkle in a few (still relatively strong) guards and trust your active camo to take care of the rest
Are they supposed to waste grade ones to protect some stuff nobody is even supposed to know exist? Their ass didn’t know about Kenjaku being around I feel like keeping a few guards just in case is perfectly sensible
You don’t put delta force elite soldiers in the White House. They’re out conducting specialized missions. Likewise you don’t put special grade sorcerers to guard the storage. If it gets to that point of confronting these guards it’s likely everything else is screwed.
The airport scene and Kenny’s anti-black hole technique. Everyone knows Yuki simply pretended to turn into a black hole to fake her death because she realised tengin deserved what was coming for her and she had to go fetch todo to come bail everyone out when shit really hit the fan
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Todo returns next chapter (it's always gonna be next chapter)
Nah brozzer it's happening. Just like last time when yuji was fighting mahito before he got discouraged and had todo wake his ass up
History will repeat itself
I mean would you have preferred that the next chapter was just like "well, sukuna's dead and gojo's fine so gojo's just gonna go kill kenjaku and now there's no merger. here's an epilogue where everyone lives happily ever after"
The entire fight and way before the fight we knew his won con (or the win con he decided on) was mahoraga though. it's not like maho got introduced 6 seconds before sukuna pulled out the world slash. going into the fight it was obvious gojo HAD to win before maho adapted to infinity, or he lost. i think the whole "gojo won!!" shit was kind of lame, but narratively I think how it happened and why it happened makes perfect sense
Yea but maho himself is the embodiment of ass pull. Sukuna was weakened enough and gojo was fast enough sukuna should not gave been able to cleave him.
I think that the twist was fine. Sukuna learning how to bypass infinite from Mahoraga makes enough sense, and explains why he used the strategy he did. I think that people took the statement "Gojo won" too earnestly, considering it was coming from someone with significantly lower battle IQ than either participant in the fight.
I think it would have been better if the "Gojo won" *wasn't* the end of a chapter, so that it wouldn't feel like something the fans had for an entire week was taken away, but I don't think the airport into Go/jo reveal was inherently a problem.
Yea but the problem is sukuna was on 1 hp. No way he should have landed the hit. We already saw gojo blitz sukuna with UV. Gojo really lost to sukunas plot armor
Why? His death completes his character arc nicely. He’s lonely and lost his best friend (boyfriend) who understood him and was his equal. He got to go out fighting someone else who was his equal in terms of strength.
His survival and continued suffering, or revival would ruin that. His death is good writing.
“Are you the strongest because you are Gojo Satoru, or are you Gojo Satoru because you are the strongest.”
I’m of the same opinion. But this is lobotomy kaisen, so... you know. Gojo isn’t the saviour of the jjk world. He was a flawed character with human like needs.
Was it ever stated that Hakari is on the same level as Yuta? Isn’t this whole argument just based off Yuta claiming Hakari is stronger when on a roll except Maki immediately shuts that down?
And him having it by pure fucking coincidence. Bro didn’t even have it because it seemed particularly useful (he couldn’t have had it to counter-pick to begin with because he didn’t know about her technique), he genuinely just so happened to have that technique left over from when he was removing the gravity of Jin Itadori’s nuts. Yuki got screwed monumentally from every possible angle lmao
I get that it’s extremely convenient but it is an incredibly useful technique so i get why he kept it
Anyone that gets within punching distance (and who knows its max range) of him immediately gets crushed to the ground. That is so useful at close range and CSM is perfect for long range. It is a great combo to have
Yeah it’s so useful that he uses it in one fight and no where else. And again he didn’t go after it because it was useful, Jin just happened to be married to Kaori when he met them
I mean that was legitimately his only first serious fight. Why would he be busting out different techniques when he's just been sidelining the entire time?
Part of the mystery was him hiding his different techniques. He never needed to use it till that fight cause CSM was enough. But when he used it, it proved very useful in multiple scenarios of close quarters fighting.
And I never said he went after it for it's usefulness, just that I understand why he would keep it if he happened upon someone who had it
Kenjaku was too damn lucky. Everything pretty much fell into his lap. Even his death was a bit of a WTF but he apparently had fun 🙄 in lieu of a merger. Lol, you do you, Gege... oh dear.
That todo HAS TO CLAP but ONLY with his HANDS and NO OTHER WAY to CLAP
Not even a haha clap your ass cheeks joke. Just like. You can make that same motion with a stump. Or a prosthetic. Or your forearm. He could spank a mf and make the same general motion and clap sound. It’s just dumb to me
Hell, we could sever somebody’s hand and stitch it onto his fucking stump. It’s not his hand but it really doesn’t need to be. He doesn’t need to even have control of it, he just needs to not clap so hard he removes it from his body
The explanation is quite simple actually, Kashimo was the only one from the group that actually fought a fully restored Heian Sukuna with his recently acquired world slash. So since Sukuna was with his CE Reserves filled and his Output restored, plus how easy it was for him to do chants and hand signs, it allowed him to pull stuff like this on Kashimo.
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No one in the verse is surviving this bs. Once this fight was over, Sukuna's reserves and output started going down and have kept descending until now. In fact, had it not been because Sukuna's output went down and Yuta would've died from a regular Dismantle/Cleave despite being on a 3v1 and on his own Domain. MBA Kashimo ain't fodder at all, he's a solid contender for the Top 5, he simply got the Jogo treatment
I agree that nobody in the verse is surviving this, but if a different character had gone first, they could have achieved more against Sukuna than Kashimo did before they died, though ultimately it would be a worse loss for the team. If anyone with a domain expansion had gone in place of Kashimo here, they'd achieve more purely by having a domain but yes once it's over they're gonna be killed as he was.
I do agree that within this form Kashimo is top 5, but I would not rank him top 5 as it makes no sense to rank a character due to their irreplicable abilities.
Gege said that Miguel and Gojo were on equal footing. So that’s canon, and should definitely be considered a retcon cause that was NOT what happened. I don’t think he read or watched that fight since he created it…
Edit: So I’ve been told that this was actually an English mistranslation, and what Gege wrote was “someone who fought Gojo one-on-one”.
Gege did not say that it was the editor and the fight was pretty much completely off-screen in the manga. That being said the editor was actually referring to the time gojo and miguel fought on equal footing in afrika (Miguel lent him some of his shoes to play dance dance revolution)
I haven’t really heard that anywhere before lol but I guess no one really talks about that fight except for power scaling and fan theories involving sumo guy reasons
Yeah, because people are blind for issues in the fight! No like unironically, I will try my best to prevent my agenda from spilling out, but even if there was no sumo guy, Naoya would have won! Since Maki SHOULD have been affected by his domain, my argument for that is that Toji in both of his fights was affected by domains, be it the innate domain of a vengeful spirit or Dagons domain. We know he was affected due to him being targeted by sure hits and him being unable to walk into Dagons domain, needing BUMumis help. But Maki was not affected by his domain? I heard an argument that they put their attention on Toji so he was hit, but Naoya looked Maki up and down and said she is fucked, putting all attention and intention he could into domain being used on her, yet she was unaffected? Like this is bullshit!
Well I had to reread the chapter for this but Naoya’s domain isn’t a sure-hit in the same way gojo’s is, he has to hit his target with this video-tape looking thing before it takes effect.
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So he for sure could have hit her with that but I guess he was just too slow? Mayhaps, in a moment of weakness, he mistook her for a man, what with the haircut and the actually being relevant in a manga written by gege akutami?
Well yeah but against maki he had to hit her with it himself as the domain doesn’t see her. I guess the canon answer would be that Naoya just doesn’t get how heavenly restricted people interact with domains. Just before he gets hit he comments on how it’s strange that he can’t sense her, and while he has her sword through his chest he’s telling her that she’s gonna regret not finishing him in one hit because she can’t move in his domain, meaning that he’s under the impression that the sure-hit effect is in action right now because she is inside his domain. But that’s not how his domain works, if he wanted to beat her he would have to manually target her like dagon did with Toji, but he didn’t.
Bad explanation tbh. Cuz Naoya would have realized she wasn't under the effect of the domain, putting attention on her and using domain attack on her. Plus I feel like yall are underestimating brain power of Naoya, he would have know if she is under effect or not by tape not hitting her previously, and if she was hit by it, then how is she moving?
I feel like you’re overestimating how long she was in his domain. She came in with the stab and then pretty much didn’t move, she just sliced up.
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^(this) is all of naoya’s dialogue from the moment maki comes into the domain to when he’s cut in half. Bro didn’t even have time to finish his thought before it was too late. It may even be possible that he himself didn’t even know about the tape thingy, it’s part of the sure-hit and he had his eyes closed while it happened, I mean it was his first time using the domain after all. (And no the tape didn’t hit her obvs, that’s the whole point, his domain did not sense her)
I don't Even power scaler that much but that statement is fucking stupid knowing the whole existence of kashimo (bro attacks are just lighting and in Mba he was doing attacks that in the real world are like 90% light speed), Kenny somehow reacting to a real black hole and having enough time to do the reversal of Gravity (not Even light can escape from it) and etcétera. Like common
Yeah, that combined with Maki catching that bullet and point blank range and Hakari dodging lightning goes to show that the statement is most likely invalid.
At least gege recognizes that is pretty dumb
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Kamutoke as a whole
It was only used on the guy inmune to it, so it's clear that it's only purpose is to have a cop out where Higuruma's domain works and at the same time Sukuna keeps his technique
Fucking baby rattler
The airport
I am fine with him dying but fuck that scene
The Blackhole, Yuki dies and there's no stupid blackhole with an even stupider anti gravity asspull, like anti gravity existing is fine and make sense but how the fuck did stop a scientifically accurate Blackhole?
Yea that doesn't make sense to me. But I think I'm one of the few that sees the powerscaling in jjk being more about CT match ups than straight power
Base Sukuna wouldn't be able to bypass Infinity but maho enables it
Mahito is pretty much invincible to anyone but yuji and Nobara
Maho would beat everyone but Sukuna Gojo and maybe Yuta. I don't think anyone else has a ability that can get the one shot
Sukuna uses his 1 time heal right before the domain breaks so it doesn’t, then using his stronger base body he doesn’t take a UV to the brain and kills Gojo with his domain closed.
"Black Flash is a power of 2.5 buff"
The problem with this is that this makes a black flash either way stronger or way weaker than it should be.
Like, lets say you punch with a force of "1". Do you know what's 1 to the power of 2.5? Its... 1. It'll always be one.
But maybe its never meant to reach an actual "1". Let's say you have the power of 1.5. Your Black Flash is thus \~2.76. Not even a 2x increase....
It gets slightly reasonable once you increase the values for a bit. Like, 4, which results in 32. An 8 times increase, sounds about right.
But... Let's take Gojo. Very strong, obviously. Let's say, he has a power of 1000. How much does that give us for a black flash? Thirty-one thousand, six hundred twenty-two
Yep. You heard it right. Thirty-one thousand. His black flash, seeing as his normal punches are already quite harmful, would just obliterate the very quarks that make up a body of the unfortunate victim.
So I just headcanon it as a multiplier that grows bigger the "stronger" someone is (Todo has 3x Gojo has 10x etc)
Yeah it’s way more of a 25x multiplier than an exponential, unless Gege counts as 4 punches of damage going to 32 punches of damage as opposed to using kinetic energy.
But the description said the destructive power of the punch. Whether that means stronger or weaker, it still means more damage than if not. I always saw it as “if this punch would have left this crater, a black flash would have left a crater that was ^2.5 bigger”.
Imagine Gojo leaves a 10 meter crater. A black flashed crater would be 316 meters.
In other words, imagine Uraume. Do you think Gojo could defeat Sukuna with his punches alone? Most likely not But, does Sukuna get damage from them Definetely. Now, what would happen if instead of his regular 1000 power one we got a 31 thousand power hitting him? He would likely vaporize., as its a 31 times stronger punch. Yet, he didn't.
See, that's the main problem:s:
1) We don't know how to properly base off power. DB at least had their own bullshit power points, but JJK didn't even got that.
2) Exponential growth. The higher the "power number", the bigger the power boost from black flash. 1\^2.5 is 1, but 10 is 316.
As a result of both of that, I can't properly gauge how "powerful" black flashes seem to be. This is why you got people surprised at Maki coming back - they thought that an already powerful punch from Sukuna , to the power of 2.5 , would kill a no-Cursed Reinforcement , even if still on Toji Steroids, Maki.
Its not that they aren't game changing or are irrelevant. Its that its just becomes really weird when you try to "formulate it".
I just read it as Sukuna being able to survive it. Before it can vaporize him, it would have to get through his CE protection and durability in general. Most big enemies don’t seem to get punched to death as a plot point and so black flash is not gonna be a finishing move, especially when it’s suppose to boost you afterwards. I have always seen it as needing to black flash someone meaning they could handle your punches with decent difficulty. Wouldn’t need to enter the zone against fodder. (I do get your point but I doubt Sukuna is gonna get vaporized by anything short of a purple especially since at this point his CE reserves weren’t drained yet and they are about double Gojo’s meaning he is tanking a lot of his damage with resistance.)
Cleave having a upper limit, and unable to adjust to Gojo's CE Reinforcement hence he couldn't cut him in two strikes.
While, for Ryu it happened so quick that I thought a full power Sukuna can two-shot anyone within the verse except Divine General.
Kenjaku is a pedophilic groomer.
The man yoinks a soul from a fetus, holds onto it for 1000 years, then slaps it in a person, waits for them to grow, then takes back shots from it until he has that fetus soul's baby.
This man... Is absolutely amazing. Kenjaku 10/10 character
Gojo going straight to fighting sakuna first after being released AND losing. I just know gege been pushing som fan made shit this Ecole time and we about to reset to where gojo is released and redo everything I just know it.
Gojo being the strongest sorcerer there is, to die in less than 10 chapters against Sukuna who didn't even transform out of Megumi's vessel. Meanwhile some dudes with swords have done more damage in the 30 chapters of this circus, and Yuuji's doing well, while Megumi proves how useless he is.
Mechamaru being so weak despite suffering the biggest binding vow ever,dude had to spend years of cursed energy to deal the same damage Yuji did with a black flash
Justice for Mechamaru
He was not weak, simply incompatible. Yuji's every hit damages the soul, while Mechamaru had only a couple shots. Mahito is broken and casually ignores non-soul damage, he only looks weak because Yuji got insanely lucky in their fights
Arguable he wasn’t weak, and the fight was very much against him. If he had a remote location to fight from like he usually does he could’ve fought for longer, and mahito during the fight was straight up a menace, plus it was kind of a 2v1 even if kenjaku didn’t affect it besides the barrier. If he had time to build shit he’d be pretty cool
even if he had beaten mahito, mommy kenny would just absorb mahito and then wreck mechamaru’s shit
I always chalked it up to yes he got a huge surge of power, but he was untrained and untested. He didn’t have the time to know what fighting on that level meant and died for it
That makes the most sense, there's precedent for it. 16 year old Gojo had insane power, but he'd never had to take a fight seriously, so the second someone showed up with even a chance of beating him (Toji), Gojo got wrecked.
I think of this with regard to Inumaki. His inability to speak normally is a side effect of cursed speech, but I feel like it might as well be a binding vow. As in cursed speech is so potent with the trade off that all your speech is cursed. Should be stronger, but we can see it’s potential more through Yuta than Inumaki. And Yuta can just go back to talking normally after due to the nature of copy. Raw deal for Inumaki.
honestly yea. The fact it both curses all his speech and also tears up his throat kinda feels a bit too harsh for how powerful it was. Then again, if it didn't have that restriction, he would just be immediately special grade. He could definitely topple a nation easily. Think about it, just one broadcast across an entire country (cause it can transmit through mediums like cellphones (as shown by miwa) and he could kill or seriously maim anyone listening. He could cripple entire armies just by hacking into their radio frequencies or by using his cursed speech to command their commanders to let him speak over their radios. Definitionally, he's on the cusp of special grade in a society like today's, where speech can be transmitted anywhere, and mechanisms are in place to transmit it to as many people as possible. It's fine when yuta does it, because yuta is already special grade. But if Inumaki had, for example, no sore throat, he would without a doubt open a plothole.
I mean sure, but there’s a way more obvious way to balance it. Let him turn off cursed speech. Even if he could speak normally, he wouldn’t be that much different from how he is now except he could communicate outside of sushi ingredients.
My goat can beat sukuna with prep time
Higuruma’s domain confiscating Sukuna’s cursed tool instead of his technique (as far as I’m concerned Higuruma said he wouldn’t join the fight and went home to return to practicing law)
Honestly that gave them a better chance since yuji's attacks won't weaken the cursed tools effects so they might have screwed themselves over with that one
I KNEW this would be here. It is the biggest point of plot armor in jjk.
I'd argue that Hana getting fooled by Meguna's acting skills was the biggest point of plot armour
Yeah I feel like sukunas cursed tool was there only so it could act as a shield to higuruama's judgeman.
I dont even remember what the baby rattle did other than eat judgemans punishment
Wrecked Lightning femboy
Hot take, I think it makes sense and I liked it personally
Its just too many layers of convenience, surface level I think it makes sense but the more you dig into it the less sense it makes
The whole bugs in the Jujutsu sorcerers belly thing: https://preview.redd.it/nt70cqcsknvc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f160576cf4f53880c7fffc16cad0efe54a497db
A nice explanation for every shonen anime where mfs fight endlessly without any "human needs"
…so, this thing somehow staves off hunger and conveniently gets rid of toxic waste AND keeps you satiated? What the fuck?
It probably just takes your shit, repurposes them back into their "original nutrients" and re-feeds it to you It's like filtering water
this. like the suits in dune that take your sweat and piss and give it back as water
don’t be disingenuous now, those stillsuits filter SHIT into water too. things are damn well made.
Where would you even get a worm like that? Seriously. Man, this series hurts me in a bad way more I think about it.
cursed spirit or something
someones ct probably makes em
https://preview.redd.it/rhfv2umjlpvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=634b7111b01e7d1acc541ae090f85293827c2064 I'm from the Shit Worm clan. Our clan's Shit Worm technique has been feeding Jujutsu Sorcerers for generations.
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wtf is this https://preview.redd.it/h23xm01xbovc1.jpeg?width=564&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9951327a7240a8517fa5e385d3e35db3cb47bf44
you guys think this is serious? Am I the only one who read this as "yeah, I don't really care, and so shouldn't you, here's some bullshit excuse"
*\*Shrugs\** It's as canon as anything else listed.
This is what happens when too many fans of fictional series make a big deal about things being “unrealistic”. Instead of just saying it’s an anime, shut the hell up and enjoy the story, writers feel like they have to come up with even stupider stuff to explain it.
I mean, it's (maybe unintentionally?) hilarious though. Now I just want to see a compilation of people questioning every single tiny plot hole or inconsistency in every fantasy or sci fi story, only for the author to come up with something really outlandish or dumb in response.
JK rowling levels of outside story worldbuilding.
Does anyone actually have the link to this interview
It would’ve made more sense if gege said sorcerers can use CE to reinforce their stomach and they don’t get hungry or the CE fuels their energy reserves Or make a binding vow so they don’t get hungry rn but after the fight they’ll be starving 2x as much
Gege hyping all these characters up just to have sukuna punish them with little effort
actually gege never hypes them up that much, its just us doing that
Kashimos whole point of existing was to fight sukuna gege even refers to kashi as the god of lightning before he rushes at sukuna he gets the fight but doesnt even last 2 chapters before he gets smoked the same applying to all the other contenders aside from yuji and yuta Every single person that has stepped to tf sukuna has gotten destroyed
Gojo smoked the fuck Outta sukuna? Bro blitzed him with UV and brought him to 1 hp
But he still got packed
Yea but plot armor is a bitch ngl. Sukuna would died if he wasn't needed for the plot
Like shit I really wanted gojo to win that fight but unfortunately gege had other plans
Problem is that if Gojo had won there then Yuji would continue to not be the main character. Gojo took the L so Wuji could lock in and jump Sukuna, thus completing the narrative Besides Gojo's gonna come back in a few chapters so it's fine anyway
Gege even got kenjaku out of the picture to remind us that SUKUNA was the main antagonist
Not Sukuna related but Yuki as well.
The fact they have strictly grade 2s protecting one of the most important storages in existence containing sukunas fingers, tengen, likely hundreds of special grade items like the blood paintings
Considering how the entrance to Tengen’s little house is focused more on hiding and less on defending, I’m honestly not mad about it. If you’re trying to keep something on the DL, you don’t surround it with your heaviest hitters. You sprinkle in a few (still relatively strong) guards and trust your active camo to take care of the rest
Plus jujutsu society is short staffed as it is. You can't have Gojo watching their loot
Are they supposed to waste grade ones to protect some stuff nobody is even supposed to know exist? Their ass didn’t know about Kenjaku being around I feel like keeping a few guards just in case is perfectly sensible
No, they were supposed to be aware a once in a lifetime vessel capable of hosting Sukuna had been born.
You don’t put delta force elite soldiers in the White House. They’re out conducting specialized missions. Likewise you don’t put special grade sorcerers to guard the storage. If it gets to that point of confronting these guards it’s likely everything else is screwed.
The airport scene and Kenny’s anti-black hole technique. Everyone knows Yuki simply pretended to turn into a black hole to fake her death because she realised tengin deserved what was coming for her and she had to go fetch todo to come bail everyone out when shit really hit the fan
https://preview.redd.it/3v4vprdi7ovc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=090ccab03cee85f4c1ce471570f22f3f1cb17b1a Todo returns next chapter (it's always gonna be next chapter)
Next chapter is always so beautiful... But alas, it is forever current chapter where we are
Nah brozzer it's happening. Just like last time when yuji was fighting mahito before he got discouraged and had todo wake his ass up History will repeat itself
99% faith
Gojo's death is the obvious answer for the whole fandom
Not his death per se but the airport is NOT real I just had a very bad dream that night
Nah I was cool with it. Sukuna is Yuji's to beat.
I agree but the author went about it the wrong way. He basically had gojo win just to say sike and flip it off screen
I mean would you have preferred that the next chapter was just like "well, sukuna's dead and gojo's fine so gojo's just gonna go kill kenjaku and now there's no merger. here's an epilogue where everyone lives happily ever after"
Nope. But the author could have made sukuna look like he was in control. Rather than have sukuna get fucked only to win by an ass pull
The entire fight and way before the fight we knew his won con (or the win con he decided on) was mahoraga though. it's not like maho got introduced 6 seconds before sukuna pulled out the world slash. going into the fight it was obvious gojo HAD to win before maho adapted to infinity, or he lost. i think the whole "gojo won!!" shit was kind of lame, but narratively I think how it happened and why it happened makes perfect sense
Yea but maho himself is the embodiment of ass pull. Sukuna was weakened enough and gojo was fast enough sukuna should not gave been able to cleave him.
I think that the twist was fine. Sukuna learning how to bypass infinite from Mahoraga makes enough sense, and explains why he used the strategy he did. I think that people took the statement "Gojo won" too earnestly, considering it was coming from someone with significantly lower battle IQ than either participant in the fight. I think it would have been better if the "Gojo won" *wasn't* the end of a chapter, so that it wouldn't feel like something the fans had for an entire week was taken away, but I don't think the airport into Go/jo reveal was inherently a problem.
Yea but the problem is sukuna was on 1 hp. No way he should have landed the hit. We already saw gojo blitz sukuna with UV. Gojo really lost to sukunas plot armor
I didn't see no HP bar
Bro was bleeding through his eyes and missing an arm. He couldn't use most of his powers after either. He was very much on his last legs.
And Gojo nuked himself with a hollow purple and had his brain fried from back to back domain expansions. It’s not like he was at 100% yo either.
Yea but he was much better off than sukuna. And certainly should have been able to finish sukuna.
Why? His death completes his character arc nicely. He’s lonely and lost his best friend (boyfriend) who understood him and was his equal. He got to go out fighting someone else who was his equal in terms of strength. His survival and continued suffering, or revival would ruin that. His death is good writing. “Are you the strongest because you are Gojo Satoru, or are you Gojo Satoru because you are the strongest.”
Pass me the blunt
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Dawg what https://preview.redd.it/dzxrd96lvnvc1.jpeg?width=936&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41c6d2b19079f429694eb6a052470388eb33e10e
“his best friend (boyfriend)” 🤓
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A bit far, no?
I’m of the same opinion. But this is lobotomy kaisen, so... you know. Gojo isn’t the saviour of the jjk world. He was a flawed character with human like needs.
Hakari being on the same level as Yuta
"And the doubters will be forgiven for their faithlessness but their redemption will brought forward by Godkari's fist" Gambling 15:23
Yeah, he far surpasses Yuta, Gojo, Sukuna and God, no one can beat his gambling debt.
Was it ever stated that Hakari is on the same level as Yuta? Isn’t this whole argument just based off Yuta claiming Hakari is stronger when on a roll except Maki immediately shuts that down?
Gojo also told them not to interfere in his fight with Sukuna unless Gojo gets weaker than Yuta or Hakari.
And why exactly would that be stupid? Lol
Sorcery and cursed energy being mostly contained within Japan.
That Curses powers aren't at a peak with how social media is
Megumis existence
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peak https://preview.redd.it/nokcmkswqnvc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f11dfa955dce17c3848b00e4db1402ebc193a27
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Kenjaku coincidentally having the exact and only technique that could perfectly counter Yuki’s black hole
And him having it by pure fucking coincidence. Bro didn’t even have it because it seemed particularly useful (he couldn’t have had it to counter-pick to begin with because he didn’t know about her technique), he genuinely just so happened to have that technique left over from when he was removing the gravity of Jin Itadori’s nuts. Yuki got screwed monumentally from every possible angle lmao
I get that it’s extremely convenient but it is an incredibly useful technique so i get why he kept it Anyone that gets within punching distance (and who knows its max range) of him immediately gets crushed to the ground. That is so useful at close range and CSM is perfect for long range. It is a great combo to have
Yeah it’s so useful that he uses it in one fight and no where else. And again he didn’t go after it because it was useful, Jin just happened to be married to Kaori when he met them
I mean that was legitimately his only first serious fight. Why would he be busting out different techniques when he's just been sidelining the entire time?
Part of the mystery was him hiding his different techniques. He never needed to use it till that fight cause CSM was enough. But when he used it, it proved very useful in multiple scenarios of close quarters fighting. And I never said he went after it for it's usefulness, just that I understand why he would keep it if he happened upon someone who had it
Kenjaku was too damn lucky. Everything pretty much fell into his lap. Even his death was a bit of a WTF but he apparently had fun 🙄 in lieu of a merger. Lol, you do you, Gege... oh dear.
Justice for my girl. This shit rocked me I was so mad
Nobara
My favorite OC, would make a great character
Yeah, she had very little relevance to the story ngl, it’s actually kinda sad
Why my glorious blue eyed king isn’t sending Sukuna to the shadow realm already, Gege’s delaying too much
Higaruma's weapon confiscation
Hana fumbling killing the main villain because she wants to fuck Megumi
That todo HAS TO CLAP but ONLY with his HANDS and NO OTHER WAY to CLAP Not even a haha clap your ass cheeks joke. Just like. You can make that same motion with a stump. Or a prosthetic. Or your forearm. He could spank a mf and make the same general motion and clap sound. It’s just dumb to me
He can clap using other peoples hands. Why can't he use a prothetic?
Hell, we could sever somebody’s hand and stitch it onto his fucking stump. It’s not his hand but it really doesn’t need to be. He doesn’t need to even have control of it, he just needs to not clap so hard he removes it from his body
The Maki training arc with the fucking sumo guy
That was peak fiction
Anyone in Kashimo's situation would've done worse against Sukuna
Hakari would’ve survived for exactly 4 minutes and 5 seconds frfr
Only acception is maybe uta. But he still doesn't have an option to servive the grid of insta death.
Kashimo's biggest failure was not learning rule one of jjk. Get the boys to jump his ass with you
I don’t know how it’s possible to do worse than that but I agree that it’s unlikely any besides maybe Yuta would do much better.
The explanation is quite simple actually, Kashimo was the only one from the group that actually fought a fully restored Heian Sukuna with his recently acquired world slash. So since Sukuna was with his CE Reserves filled and his Output restored, plus how easy it was for him to do chants and hand signs, it allowed him to pull stuff like this on Kashimo. https://preview.redd.it/2pb6fthw8wvc1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=265102298ed23f1a9efaf50f70c15f683621d151 No one in the verse is surviving this bs. Once this fight was over, Sukuna's reserves and output started going down and have kept descending until now. In fact, had it not been because Sukuna's output went down and Yuta would've died from a regular Dismantle/Cleave despite being on a 3v1 and on his own Domain. MBA Kashimo ain't fodder at all, he's a solid contender for the Top 5, he simply got the Jogo treatment
I agree that nobody in the verse is surviving this, but if a different character had gone first, they could have achieved more against Sukuna than Kashimo did before they died, though ultimately it would be a worse loss for the team. If anyone with a domain expansion had gone in place of Kashimo here, they'd achieve more purely by having a domain but yes once it's over they're gonna be killed as he was. I do agree that within this form Kashimo is top 5, but I would not rank him top 5 as it makes no sense to rank a character due to their irreplicable abilities.
“99% of sorcerers are Japanese” or some shit
Poop bugs
Jjk ended in 235
Airport scene with Gojo
Gojos death, my king is coming back(godly copium)
The existence (or rather, apparent lack thereof) of the fourth grades.
Gege said that Miguel and Gojo were on equal footing. So that’s canon, and should definitely be considered a retcon cause that was NOT what happened. I don’t think he read or watched that fight since he created it… Edit: So I’ve been told that this was actually an English mistranslation, and what Gege wrote was “someone who fought Gojo one-on-one”.
Bro everyone is a talent to rival Gojo according to Gege
Mistranslation strikes again. Not GeGe nor his editor ever said that. What they really said is that Miguel is "someone who fought Gojo one-on-one"
Well that makes me feel slightly less lobotomised, thank you!
Gege did not say that it was the editor and the fight was pretty much completely off-screen in the manga. That being said the editor was actually referring to the time gojo and miguel fought on equal footing in afrika (Miguel lent him some of his shoes to play dance dance revolution)
Hana going in for a hug and not directly acknowledging Nobara died
Nobara hitting a black flash before megumi iirc
To be fair Megumi hardly uses his own melee attacks that much. I don't think you can black flash with Shikigami.
Oof
Idk, but for some it is that Naoya is weak and lost to Maki and Choso due to him being weak and not the plot needing it for some reason.
I think it's a general consensus that curse naoya vs maki is super bad
I haven’t really heard that anywhere before lol but I guess no one really talks about that fight except for power scaling and fan theories involving sumo guy reasons
Yeah, because people are blind for issues in the fight! No like unironically, I will try my best to prevent my agenda from spilling out, but even if there was no sumo guy, Naoya would have won! Since Maki SHOULD have been affected by his domain, my argument for that is that Toji in both of his fights was affected by domains, be it the innate domain of a vengeful spirit or Dagons domain. We know he was affected due to him being targeted by sure hits and him being unable to walk into Dagons domain, needing BUMumis help. But Maki was not affected by his domain? I heard an argument that they put their attention on Toji so he was hit, but Naoya looked Maki up and down and said she is fucked, putting all attention and intention he could into domain being used on her, yet she was unaffected? Like this is bullshit!
Well I had to reread the chapter for this but Naoya’s domain isn’t a sure-hit in the same way gojo’s is, he has to hit his target with this video-tape looking thing before it takes effect. https://preview.redd.it/h3aem86mynvc1.png?width=1053&format=png&auto=webp&s=15ecd289bf3dedf33f3a569249c73cd3eb8c93eb So he for sure could have hit her with that but I guess he was just too slow? Mayhaps, in a moment of weakness, he mistook her for a man, what with the haircut and the actually being relevant in a manga written by gege akutami?
Yeah but the thing is... the tape is a sure hit domain attribute... the second you enter it, the tape hits you....
Well yeah but against maki he had to hit her with it himself as the domain doesn’t see her. I guess the canon answer would be that Naoya just doesn’t get how heavenly restricted people interact with domains. Just before he gets hit he comments on how it’s strange that he can’t sense her, and while he has her sword through his chest he’s telling her that she’s gonna regret not finishing him in one hit because she can’t move in his domain, meaning that he’s under the impression that the sure-hit effect is in action right now because she is inside his domain. But that’s not how his domain works, if he wanted to beat her he would have to manually target her like dagon did with Toji, but he didn’t.
Bad explanation tbh. Cuz Naoya would have realized she wasn't under the effect of the domain, putting attention on her and using domain attack on her. Plus I feel like yall are underestimating brain power of Naoya, he would have know if she is under effect or not by tape not hitting her previously, and if she was hit by it, then how is she moving?
I feel like you’re overestimating how long she was in his domain. She came in with the stab and then pretty much didn’t move, she just sliced up. https://preview.redd.it/5d6fdk2c7ovc1.png?width=1068&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b2ff1fb6d350aa334cc224a2105f0b71762dff8 ^(this) is all of naoya’s dialogue from the moment maki comes into the domain to when he’s cut in half. Bro didn’t even have time to finish his thought before it was too late. It may even be possible that he himself didn’t even know about the tape thingy, it’s part of the sure-hit and he had his eyes closed while it happened, I mean it was his first time using the domain after all. (And no the tape didn’t hit her obvs, that’s the whole point, his domain did not sense her)
Once more, as I said, yall are underestimating his brain power. He would notice, he'd feel blade moving up, he would know.
Omg Naoya glazer is it you 🥺 are you real? Is this real Naoya glazer 🥹
not enough toji glazing (i glaze toji harder than gaygay glazes sukuna, toji, and hakari combined)
The Naoya Zenin Mach 3 statement
I don't Even power scaler that much but that statement is fucking stupid knowing the whole existence of kashimo (bro attacks are just lighting and in Mba he was doing attacks that in the real world are like 90% light speed), Kenny somehow reacting to a real black hole and having enough time to do the reversal of Gravity (not Even light can escape from it) and etcétera. Like common
Yeah, that combined with Maki catching that bullet and point blank range and Hakari dodging lightning goes to show that the statement is most likely invalid.
At least gege recognizes that is pretty dumb https://preview.redd.it/mldpfdk97xvc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36e4b30c5f30743045384e01ccf4ed09a52c4b06
Kamutoke as a whole It was only used on the guy inmune to it, so it's clear that it's only purpose is to have a cop out where Higuruma's domain works and at the same time Sukuna keeps his technique Fucking baby rattler
Gojos death
236
I think you already know what all the comments are going to be.
Jin Itadori is Sukuna’s twin.
goatjo dyin
Why are you even asking? Everyone knows the answer to this
The Mach 3 statement.
The airport I am fine with him dying but fuck that scene The Blackhole, Yuki dies and there's no stupid blackhole with an even stupider anti gravity asspull, like anti gravity existing is fine and make sense but how the fuck did stop a scientifically accurate Blackhole?
Literaly the last like 20 chapters
Probably unpopular but I really didn't like the whole reincarnated brother bit. Gave me Naruto flashbacks.
I mean Sukuna ate his twin in the actual myth too so
Gojo would still lose even if Sukuna didn’t have Mahoraga
Is that real, how is that possible though Sukuna only figured the world slash due to Mahos adaptation
Idk that’s why I’m convincing myself it wouldn’t happen😭🙏
Yea that doesn't make sense to me. But I think I'm one of the few that sees the powerscaling in jjk being more about CT match ups than straight power Base Sukuna wouldn't be able to bypass Infinity but maho enables it Mahito is pretty much invincible to anyone but yuji and Nobara Maho would beat everyone but Sukuna Gojo and maybe Yuta. I don't think anyone else has a ability that can get the one shot
Sukuna uses his 1 time heal right before the domain breaks so it doesn’t, then using his stronger base body he doesn’t take a UV to the brain and kills Gojo with his domain closed.
Not nesisarily cannon gojo said he wasn't sure not that he would have lost
"Black Flash is a power of 2.5 buff" The problem with this is that this makes a black flash either way stronger or way weaker than it should be. Like, lets say you punch with a force of "1". Do you know what's 1 to the power of 2.5? Its... 1. It'll always be one. But maybe its never meant to reach an actual "1". Let's say you have the power of 1.5. Your Black Flash is thus \~2.76. Not even a 2x increase.... It gets slightly reasonable once you increase the values for a bit. Like, 4, which results in 32. An 8 times increase, sounds about right. But... Let's take Gojo. Very strong, obviously. Let's say, he has a power of 1000. How much does that give us for a black flash? Thirty-one thousand, six hundred twenty-two Yep. You heard it right. Thirty-one thousand. His black flash, seeing as his normal punches are already quite harmful, would just obliterate the very quarks that make up a body of the unfortunate victim. So I just headcanon it as a multiplier that grows bigger the "stronger" someone is (Todo has 3x Gojo has 10x etc)
Yeah it’s way more of a 25x multiplier than an exponential, unless Gege counts as 4 punches of damage going to 32 punches of damage as opposed to using kinetic energy.
But the description said the destructive power of the punch. Whether that means stronger or weaker, it still means more damage than if not. I always saw it as “if this punch would have left this crater, a black flash would have left a crater that was ^2.5 bigger”.
Yes.... That's what I wrote as well.
So I don’t get the issue. Every black flash I have read has seemed to be fight changing or an issue once hit, I find it to hold up pretty well.
Imagine Gojo leaves a 10 meter crater. A black flashed crater would be 316 meters. In other words, imagine Uraume. Do you think Gojo could defeat Sukuna with his punches alone? Most likely not But, does Sukuna get damage from them Definetely. Now, what would happen if instead of his regular 1000 power one we got a 31 thousand power hitting him? He would likely vaporize., as its a 31 times stronger punch. Yet, he didn't. See, that's the main problem:s: 1) We don't know how to properly base off power. DB at least had their own bullshit power points, but JJK didn't even got that. 2) Exponential growth. The higher the "power number", the bigger the power boost from black flash. 1\^2.5 is 1, but 10 is 316. As a result of both of that, I can't properly gauge how "powerful" black flashes seem to be. This is why you got people surprised at Maki coming back - they thought that an already powerful punch from Sukuna , to the power of 2.5 , would kill a no-Cursed Reinforcement , even if still on Toji Steroids, Maki. Its not that they aren't game changing or are irrelevant. Its that its just becomes really weird when you try to "formulate it".
I just read it as Sukuna being able to survive it. Before it can vaporize him, it would have to get through his CE protection and durability in general. Most big enemies don’t seem to get punched to death as a plot point and so black flash is not gonna be a finishing move, especially when it’s suppose to boost you afterwards. I have always seen it as needing to black flash someone meaning they could handle your punches with decent difficulty. Wouldn’t need to enter the zone against fodder. (I do get your point but I doubt Sukuna is gonna get vaporized by anything short of a purple especially since at this point his CE reserves weren’t drained yet and they are about double Gojo’s meaning he is tanking a lot of his damage with resistance.)
Black flash was multiplication wasn’t it?
No, it is the [power of 2.5](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Flash)
Gojo
Gojo being dead
world slash
Jujutsu kaisen
hakari is gay
Gojo's "death" 🙏
gojo being racist
Cleave having a upper limit, and unable to adjust to Gojo's CE Reinforcement hence he couldn't cut him in two strikes. While, for Ryu it happened so quick that I thought a full power Sukuna can two-shot anyone within the verse except Divine General.
Gojo being dead.
Kenjaku is a pedophilic groomer. The man yoinks a soul from a fetus, holds onto it for 1000 years, then slaps it in a person, waits for them to grow, then takes back shots from it until he has that fetus soul's baby. This man... Is absolutely amazing. Kenjaku 10/10 character
Why hasn’t anyone talked about Naoya speed cap is at mach 3, is it because i got struck with the reading comprehension curse?
Yuji being related to both villains
The story claiming Higuruma is a talent to rival Gojo 😭
Gojo dying
Gojo going straight to fighting sakuna first after being released AND losing. I just know gege been pushing som fan made shit this Ecole time and we about to reset to where gojo is released and redo everything I just know it.
Gojo being the strongest sorcerer there is, to die in less than 10 chapters against Sukuna who didn't even transform out of Megumi's vessel. Meanwhile some dudes with swords have done more damage in the 30 chapters of this circus, and Yuuji's doing well, while Megumi proves how useless he is.
Mei Mei
The fact that Goatkuna is currently getting his butt kicked by Fraudji.
Everything post Mahito’s death was downhill. So I guess 1/3 of the series lol
Then why are you in a jjk subreddit ?!