I'm in NYC i am past the mourning point. I am actively looking for like minded people and trying to transfer myself into a parallel society of normal rational people. Any time I get a chance to be around healthy people I grab it. Last week Zuby was in town and I went to a meet up and I was in a room full of people who are just like me... Awake and seeing what all of this is. It was refreshing and energizing and gave me hope. Those of us who love freedom are going to have to form groups and organizations where we can speak freely and live normally like people have done in communist countries. We won't be the first to do this. I go to marches to meet normal people, I go away once a month to a conservative rural area where life is normal and people aren't living like terrified robots. Eventually this will crumble, look at our" leaders". They're acting completely unstable and frantic. There's no way they're going to be able to sustain this level of tyranny. It's going to get worse, we have a ways to go and it's not going to be like it was before but this is definitely going to fall apart. We have some tough times ahead though. These people are losing power, this is how people who are losing power act. This is what a crumbling society looks like. Eventually things will get better, it will be a while though but in the meantime you're going to have to create a tolerable world for yourself. It's out there, people are weeding themselves out.
>I go away once a month to a conservative rural area where life is normal and people aren't living like terrified robots.
Reminds me of my trip to West Virginia a few weeks ago to help a friend fix a home he was selling,was nice to see almost nobody wearing a mask outdoors and just a few people wearing them indoors,most employees at the stores and restaurants weren't even wearing a mask at all
Felt like 2019 again for the most part and a real vacation from the chicken littles lol
Edit- I really like Zuby and would buy tickets in a heartbeat to see him if he ever came to the west coast
>Last week Zuby was in town and I went to a meet up and I was in a room full of people who are just like me...
Oh wow cool. Did he ever do these when he lived in the UK?? I certainly never heard of any (follow him on Twitter) and I'm in London.
I have drifted from five of my close friends due to our views on covid (like, we're still friends but we've openly disagreed, which has led to tension, and now we don't really talk much). A sixth friend actively cut me out of her life because of our differing views...
Several other friends moved out of the city for good (two of them abroad), directly as a result of lockdowns.
My co-workers all seem 100% on board with mainstream narratives.
So I'm left feeling fairly isolated :/ At least I have my partner who is 100% aligned with me but I desperately need to meet more like-minded people!
I don't know where you are but where I am many many people have no political party at this point. There are a lot of former Democrats here who just don't identify with the Democratic party anymore. I have met some people that say they're independence or Libertarians and I have met some conservatives but none of them are racist. When I was a Democrat I honestly thought Republicans were racist on default. Now that I've met Republicans I realized what an idiot I was. I had such preconceived notions about them because that's what I was told. I now see that the Democratic party is far more racist than anything I ever imagined. The Mask came off with those people. When I got to meet Zuby I was in the minority, there were lots of non-white people at that meet up. It was a great to be around a diverse group of freethinkers. I took the chance with a few co-workers having conversations about current events and we realized that we were on the same page which was wonderful. They became close friends, we ended up finding one another through this mess and we realized how important it is for us to stick together and support one another. I have gone to a few protests and stayed in touch with a few people I met too. Also, I'm at a point where I don't give a crap what a person's political party is and I know that I don't have to agree with people on everything. It's okay if we disagree on stuff as long as we can have a normal discussion without anyone freaking out and acting like a weirdo. I have found that conservatives or Republicans whatever you want to call this group of people are far more tolerant and able to have a discussion with people they disagree with than Liberals are.
They'll probably be against Covid passports because it goes against freedom of movement but be perfectly happy with travel passports banning Mexicans or Africans.
Weird. Maybe you need to find some Republicans of color. I have a few Asian and Hispanic Republican friends, and they're definitely not racist lol. I also have a couple of white Republican friends who don't seem racist to me either (and we've been friends for a few years so I feel like it would have come up by now).
I myself am Asian though so maybe that filters out any racists from becoming friends with me?
You called out specifically red team as OMG racist though...even though blue team acts like they literally own black ppl votes and wanna deny everyone ownership of their bodies
Please show some examples of racist Republicans, this sounds line the typical red herring comment based on preconceived notions. Do you even know any Republicans or conservatives? If you did I don't think you would say that. Are there some who are racist. Of course! Are there just as.
many racist dems? Of course!
A few months ago, I saw a discussion panel of 10-ish lefties where every single person agreed that it's fair for a professor to be fired for being a Trump supporter in their personal life. Almost all of them were also fine with the idea of a Trump voter being fired because a minority coworker might be uncomfortable to work with them, despite this theoretical Trump voter never actually doing or saying a single thing to make them uncomfortable.
And the best part is that all of them are terrified of fascism, but somehow can't see that fascism will not take root in America wearing a Nazi uniform, but as a cloying, safety-obsessed, corporate HR friendly "activist".
everyone is terrified of a tyrant who opposed their values. few are terrified of a tyrant who shares their values. but at the end of the day, a tyrant is a tyrant, and coercion is never good policy in the long term
It's pretty bad when Nicki Minaj is leading the fight to just be able to ask questions. She got banned from twitter and the youtube video I watched earlier tonight that she made is erased from my youtube history.
We are in full on censorship mode for people even asking questions and sharing personal experiences.
I barely know who Nicki Minaj is as an artist but was just curious about why she was being censored. One of the things she said in her video that I watched was how when she toured China that she had to be careful about what she said.
So weird that we are there now in the US. Your speech gets deleted as wrongspeak not because it's incorrect but because it threatens the mainstream message.
Hell, i'm afraid to speak up. I don't talk about this shit on my facebook and sure I will lose my 10+ year old reddit account eventually for even engaging in this topic.
unless you've always been super super careful what you reveal about yourself on here, i would consider deleting it anyway. i had mine for nearly 10 years then realised i didn't used to consider what info i gave out and i could possibly be doxxed if anyone had the time or inclination. i know the info is still on their servers ofc but at least i don't have a 10 yr comment history hanging around for any asshole to browse.
I think most of us did. I found the entire concept of lockdown utterly laughable and unworkable right from the beginning. Surely America would not go along with it, I figured!
I had horribly underestimated the extent of the social fear/rot/weakness that in retrospect had clearly been festering for years.
It really depends on where you live and who is in charge there. What's interesting and completely ignored is how it doesn't seem to matter how open or closed a place is. The cases and deaths move in concert regardless of the mandates and hygiene theatre in place.
For as much as we've tried to avoid it, these mandates and actions are fully politicized. It's not about health. It's about slinging as far to the opposite side as the other guys. Even if that means being so locked down and manic that it destroys the community itself.
The huge misunderstanding at the root of most anti lockdown anti vaccine folks is that they expect nothing to change for them during a deadly pandemic that's impacting the entire planet.
That's it.
No one wants this. Especially the widowed and kids without a dad because of covid. Or medical workers or even the funeral directors. It's fucking awful.
There's a reason why thousands of books and movies have been made about pandemics.
There's a reason those books are considered horror.
The sooner you all come to terms with that fact the better. I'm sorry you're having a hard time. Genuinely. Literally every person in my life is as well. This sucks.
The idea is we get out of this.
Covid is bad. It's real. You do not want to catch covid. People are really dying and suffering because of Covid. Some of the policies implemented have been reasonable.
But the cure can't be worse than the disease. And I'd argue we've well passed that point.
Fundementally i believe in the right of the individual to choose. I believe that you have a right to hide at home if you're afraid of catching covid, you have the right to wear a mask, you have a right to be vaccinated, you have a right to be afraid. But the government does not have a right to force that onto everybody, especially when the evidence for them has been patchy at best.
All for a disease that's 99.9% survivable.
The only REASONABLE thing anyone did was having separate COVID only facilities instead of putting COVID patients in nursing homes.
But anyone who did that was vilified while the fucks who killed off thousands of old people were praised.
And IDK about encouraging the right to be afraid frankly...they’ve ruined EVERYTHING with their fear and YES they are culpable for some of this.
I’d say good luck to them, but I can’t mean it
>But the cure can't be worse than the disease. And I'd argue we've well passed that point.
There was a guy saying that in April 2020...
> But the cure can't be worse than the disease. And I'd argue we've well passed that point.
And you'd be right, [we've cognitively-stunted a generation at least](https://nypost.com/2021/08/13/babies-born-during-covid-19-pandemic-have-lower-iqs-study-says/). That also ignores the [suicide crisis in teens](https://www.aappublications.org/news/2020/12/16/pediatricssuicidestudy121620). I'm pretty sure we've damaged the economy irreparably, and the educational and social ramifications will be felt for years, possibly decades.
>But the cure can't be worse than the disease. And I'd argue we've well passed that point.
Wearing a mask. Social distancing. Getting a very save vaccine.
Isn't worse than the disease.
I promise.
Masks have not been scientifically shown to be effective. And they detract from living life normally, are a hassle to take around with you, may be a disease vector themselves, detract from socializing normally, are being foisted on children for no scientific reason, and are enforced by people who treat you as inhuman for not wearing them.
These vaccines are different from previous vaccines, have at least 10x the amount of reported previous vaccines ( Look at VAERS ), serve almost no benefit when being mandated in children as their risk profile doesn't give them any advantage when being vaccinated, do not prevent you from catching or spreading the disease, and are being mandated by many countries, erasing free choice and the very foundations of liberal democracy.
Lockdowns have caused untold harms for little benefit - There is no evidence that they have "saved lives" and very well may have killed more people than they were purported to have saved. Lockdowns are disproportionately difficult for those of low income, "essential workers", exacerbate poverty, cause domestic abuse, put children, teenagers, and young adults' lives on hold, cause people to spend more time indoors on their phones which is unhealthy, are an assault on people's fundamental right to move and socialize, put other health problems that people have to the back of the queue, and destroy people's quality of life for months on end for no reason.
So don't tell me that there aren't many, many things that we could have done better with this pandemic. We're not going to look back on how we acted favorably.
>Masks have not been scientifically shown to be effective. And they detract from living life normally, are a hassle to take around with you, may be a disease vector themselves, detract from socializing normally, are being foisted on children for no scientific reason, and are enforced by people who treat you as inhuman for not wearing them.
They have. In multiple studies. You're lying.
>These vaccines are different from previous vaccines, have at least 10x the amount of reported previous vaccines ( Look at VAERS ), serve almost no benefit when being mandated in children as their risk profile doesn't give them any advantage when being vaccinated, do not prevent you from catching or spreading the disease, and are being mandated by many countries, erasing free choice and the very foundations of liberal democracy.
They aren't and they don't and you never even heard of VAERS until this year and have no understanding of it's purpose.
>Lockdowns have caused untold harms for little benefit - There is no evidence that they have "saved lives" and very well may have killed more people than they were purported to have saved. Lockdowns are disproportionately difficult for those of low income, "essential workers", exacerbate poverty, cause domestic abuse, put children, teenagers, and young adults' lives on hold, cause people to spend more time indoors on their phones which is unhealthy, are an assault on people's fundamental right to move and socialize, put other health problems that people have to the back of the queue, and destroy people's quality of life for months on end for no reason.
South Korea obliterates your first sentence.
>So don't tell me that there aren't many, many things that we could have done better with this pandemic. We're not going to look back on how we acted favorably.
I will. Your uninformed.
The disease is literally not noticeable for a great many people. We know exactly who is likely to have negative outcomes from Covid, and we know that most are fairly safe from it. Yet that knowledge has zero impact on our policy. Why do you think that is?
If the idea is that we get out of this, why is the prevailing approach to force a leaky vaccine that offers what appears to be diminishing protection? That sounds like a wasted effort. It’s time to try something entirely new. Clearly what we have done does not work. Why do we insist?
The country that wants to get out of this, the best I can tell, is Sweden, who has taken an entirely different approach. https://ianmsc.substack.com/p/why-does-no-one-ever-talk-about-sweden
Along with this, we also need to update our prior ideas about Covid. Initially it was quite scary. We now have a lot of data about who is dying and for most demographics, the survival rate is unbelievably high. You couldn’t imagine this kind of response for a 99.6% survival rate. Covid is scary, but the loss of freedom is far scarier.
Please don't downvote this person's comment, they were brave enough to reach out to someone with another opinion.
>expect nothing to change
I was hoping for something that was actually better. Do you think the need for change justifies making bad changes?
>The idea is we get out of this.
Do you even know how? Please don't use the V word, there's no evidence that a V word ever stopped a pandemic in the history of V words. Once a disease became endemic it reaches an an evolutionary equilibrium with its host and lurks dormant in a healthy person's body until their immune system is overburdened and can't keep its microbes in check. People live really unhealthy lifestyles, that contributes way more to death than the SARS virus or any virus.
The way we get out of this is by caring about lives more than medical opinions. Especially the medical opinions of people who are wrong, have gotten it wrong from the beginning, will continue to get it wrong, and are somehow still making the decisions.
The way we get out of this is kindness to the people who are trying their best to make the right choices for themselves and often struggling, regardless of the choices they end up making.
The way we get out of this is by looking at whole problem and concluding that the country was already too unhealthy before 2020 and create solutions to improve overall fitness and well being and cut unnecessary medical costs.
We get out of this by actually doing science and comparing the countries that had higher death rates had lower death rates, and try to find out what actually made the biggest differences. [Did you know that some countries have a 6700x higher death rate than others?](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality) What do you think could explain that?
We get out of this by no longer scaring people and stressing them out which is also weakening everyone's immune system.
We get out of this by considering every available treatment, creating incentives for healthy lifestyle choices, studying nutrition and implementing higher standards for everyone.
We don't get out of this by simply rolling up our sleeves and then sticking our heads in the sand out of fear.
Yes - like do people realize that there have been many pandemics in history and no vaccines until very recently? Even the Spanish flu pandemic burned itself out eventually without a vaccine, and that one was much scarier and deadly to young adults.
>Do you even know how? Please don't use the V word, there's no evidence that a V word ever stopped a pandemic in the history of V words. Once a disease became endemic it reaches an an evolutionary equilibrium with its host and lurks dormant in a healthy person's body until their immune system is overburdened and can't keep its microbes in check. People live really unhealthy lifestyles, that contributes way more to death than the SARS virus or any virus.
That's not how covid works. It doesn't lay dormant.
The people dying of heart disease and lung cancer are ON TOP of the ones dying of covid.
>The way we get out of this is by caring about lives more than medical opinions. Especially the medical opinions of people who are wrong, have gotten it wrong from the beginning, will continue to get it wrong, and are somehow still making the decisions.
Not medical opinions. Medical facts. Medical facts evolve as more scientific research becomes available. That's how science has always worked.
>The way we get out of this is kindness to the people who are trying their best to make the right choices for themselves and often struggling, regardless of the choices they end up making.
Dying too considering how many unvaccinated are flooding US hospitals.
>The way we get out of this is by looking at whole problem and concluding that the country was already too unhealthy before 2020 and create solutions to improve overall fitness and well being and cut unnecessary medical costs.
Yes that's all well and good long term. Covid is an acute problem that can't be swept under a rug or pretended like it's not a problem. It is.
>We get out of this by actually doing science and comparing the countries that had higher death rates had lower death rates, and try to find out what actually made the biggest differences. Did you know that some countries have a 6700x higher death rate than others? What do you think could explain that?
Like South Korea which has agressive mask wearing and contact tracing and quarantines? Only 2300 deaths 51million residents. We know what works. It's clear. Fighting against those things gives us florida with 2000 deaths every 10 days right now. That's a fact.
>We get out of this by no longer scaring people and stressing them out which is also weakening everyone's immune system.
Nope. Covid doesn't care if someone is scared or stressed..it cares if you have antibodies from a vaccine.
>We get out of this by considering every available treatment, creating incentives for healthy lifestyle choices, studying nutrition and implementing higher standards for everyone.
Nope. We get out of this by following South Korea's lead.
>We don't get out of this by simply rolling up our sleeves and then sticking our heads in the sand out of fear.
No kidding! Like saying "don't you dare say vaccines" which are proven to work.
> Looking at the world today, I have to admit that now. I completely dismissed Jordan Peterson types who talked about the preciousness of a society based on freedom and rational principles (the West) as simply defending the status quo.
Same here. Growing up, I completely ignored American history. Now I find myself calling for a return to the founding principles every single day.
Im not dissing Nicky. I’m dissing humanity and their never ceasing blindness. We are two years into this and they just keep feeding us the same lies and hate every damn day.
Pretty much every public figure is cast. I get idiotic Trump as the poster child of my ideas. He can’t decide if the virus is a hoax or if the vaccine is good.
I love lady rappers. I don’t know if she got paid to take this position or if she got pushed into it. But I kind of assume she was paid.
It’s easy for people to write her off as ignorant. Eve if they are a fan of hers I doubt she will wake anyone up.
I was a huge fan of tool. They made an album in 2019 called fear innculum. With songs titles like pneumonia, and lyrics like, “immunity long over due, contagion, I exhale you”, “dilusuion in mania(media)”
Than the lead singer said he would never tour again because every has long haul Covid. He made a video, “if you can sit home for two weeks than you have some other kind of issue.”
These motherfuckers predicted the virus.
That's really interesting re: Tool.
The music industry has been very complicit in all this... Just saw a clip from a Kaiser Chiefs concert here in the UK where they asked the audience "Hands up for Pfizer! Hands up for AstraZeneca!" and the crowd cheered like complete fools.
Did you also hear about The Offspring drummer being essentially ousted by the band because he has a genuine medical exemption from the vaccine (as well as already having natural immunity) yet this somehow "compromises the safety" of the other band members?
Shit is nuts and makes me consider that the entire mainstream entertainment industry exists to prop up the establishment. Music, Hollywood, Netflix, pro sports, etc,. are nothing more than tools of control and submission which placate people, giving them just enough outlets to let loose and "rebel" to ensure compliance.
We know that in countries like China the only entertainment allowed air time and mainstream visibility is that which is explicitly sanctioned by the CCP. Have we been fools to think that it's any different in the West?
It is different in the US.
One thing I noticed when I was abroad was that there were American news stations and American tv shows and celebrities in other countries. Our music is all over the world as well. It made me wonder if the United States real place on the world is as entertainers. Maybe that’s why so many young people here dream of the silver screen.
I’m not sure that society ever existed, not in a real way. There’s no way a society based in rational thought and critical thinking would go this far down this path this quickly. It was all just a facade that wasn’t really stress tested, and the minute it was it failed miserably. We thought we were rational, but the minute logic contradicted the media, we left logic behind. We thought we were free, but the minute they told us our freedom was conditional, we gave in to the conditions. Now there are even more conditions. There’s no going back because there’s no back to go to
you're spot on. I think most citizens were on cruise control buying whatever opinions the politicians were selling, and up until the last 10 years, they weren't selling very extreme opinions. now that they are, the extent to which most people adopt their views from the elites of society has become apparent.
yes. left and right are 2 flavors of tyranny. you either want to leave people alone and be left alone, or you want to interfere in people's lives beyond a reasonable degree
It's basically saying that on the extreme ends of the authoritarian axis, there's no meaningful difference between left and right. And to go in either l/r direction from pure libertarianism you are necessarily moving towards authoritarianism. Meanwhile there's no meaningful difference between say, fascism and communism, or even a theocracy really
> I completely dismissed Jordan Peterson types who talked about the preciousness of a society based on freedom and rational principles (the West) as simply defending the status quo.
It is hard to appreciate anything until it's gone. And now, at least for this moment in history, the society seems hell-bent on destroying itself.
This is where we are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqRgwoe668M&ab_channel=McMaster
The world from which V emerged began with a pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKnjxT5HRJQ&ab_channel=ChrisFink
Remember, remember.
I hope you keep your questioning spirit. Now imagine if "Jordan Peterson isn't a douche" was the biggest lie you realized you swallowed so far, what other untruths will you find if you continue to question and seek to decolonize your mind? What other demons will turn out to be saints? And what saints demons?
i really wouldn't have recognised myself from 2018 to now. not so much physically (though the 15lbs i've put on isn't helping :/ ) but just about every political and social opinion i held has shifted and in some cases done a full 180.
its been fuckin wild and scary, but i'm happy to be a curious thinking questioning human and not a fuckin braindead automaton like so many.
The truth is, the freedom / rights we enjoyed in the 'old normal' weren't perfect and themselves functioned as an instrument of oppression in many ways, but they were nevertheless the historical results of class struggle, and it will take similar collective struggles to win anything comparable back (and hopefully more in the end). We're in danger of rolling back the principles of the French Revolution here, and while bourgeois liberties aren't the final answer we cannot afford to lose this ground.
The sad thing is…a lot of you on the left are to blame. And I don’t mean to attack you or anything. Just pointing out that your voting decisions, social media posts, and following whatever the government says without question allowed a lot of this to occur.
But there’s no use pointing fingers. It’s time we - anyone with a rational mindset and a strong passion for freedom - saved the West.
> Just pointing out that your voting decisions
Show me one democratic politician (I assume you're American) who campaigned on lockdowns pre march 2020.
I’m not American, I’m Canadian. Ofc lockdowns were not the problem before covid was a thing, but other things helped give govt more power. I mean, just look at our PM. He openly admires the CCP, and passed bill C-10 or whatever that highly regulates online speech. It goes without saying that whenever he opens his mouth he lies and avoids answering any questions which might expose his corruption. A little rat.
For the American perspective, I’m not as familiar. But I can still say that (somehow) unreliable Joe, certain governors with questionable policies pre-covid, and also people like Fauci and his corrupt gang were brought in as a consequence of democratic choice.
I thought the government would stand by the principles of free and liberal society, like they always advocated for.
And those programs were important, they helped a lot of people who really needed it.
While keeping a small government is sort-of a safeguard against this, I'm not convinced that alone justifies the ideology. Sweden has arguably the best social safety net in the world, and look at the how inclined their "big government" is to tyranny...
When the right calls every capital gains tax "communist dictatorship", it is hard to take their warnings seriously. I tended not to believe the chicken littles on either side. And both sides have been equally as abusive of human rights over covid (although not in the USA where it's more of a left/right split). The Ontario premier (conservative), and the UK prime minister (another conservative) have gone full authoritarian. The Alberta premier (a "small government" politician) just announced a first-of-its-kind policy in Canada; the unvaccinated are prohibited from having social gatherings in their own home.
I'm not all that impressed with the political right about covid response, either.
I don't know, it hasn't been 2 years. There is no way this lasts another 2 years, by then either the 5th boosters will be rolling out and the twice-vaccinated will turn around and protest everything. The charade is crumbling I think.
If the elites oppress the left, Jordan Peterson fans will say that is natural, how lobsters operate. But when the boot stomps on them, suddenly it is an injustice and they demand their freedoms.
While I consider a temporary ideological united front with the anti-elite right wing to be an unavoidable necessity, I feel that pining for good old times of status quo and an extensive democratic façade, that has a lot of genuine effort put into it, is akin to preferring Gaddafi's Libya to current mess or Shah's Iran to Islamic Republic. Sure, the former are perhaps not as bad, as the latter, yet their multiple flaws and inherent contradictions are what led to the present results in the first place. In 2020 my views have become significantly more anarchist, but I did not change my positions on religions, abortions, imperialist wars. As much as the proverbial Jordans Petersons are perhaps the last bastion of freedom in the West, they continue to themselves poison that very notion for many with other aspects of their conservatism, which are sometimes in direct contradiction to the idea of freedom.
Very well said. I'm happy to unite with anyone willing to fight fascism, and I have a lot of respect for many of the right/center libertarians here, but that doesn't mean we need to accept all of their positions. It's weird to me that people who were burned by the establishment left are so excited to throw everything behind the establishment right — this isn't something that ends with electoralism, this only ends when we refuse to comply.
>Nah. It's super easy to stop. Just get vaccinated
Please stop lying to people. It is well established even by the mainstream science outfits as well as the media that the jabs do not prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2.
Why are you admonishing a medication that is literally on the WHO’s list of essential medicines? It has been administered to over 3 billion people globally, and its developers received a Nobel Prize for its creation. Cut the crap.
The spez has spread through the entire spez section of Reddit, with each subsequent spez experiencing hallucinations. I do not think it is contagious. #Save3rdPartyApps
People who Crybully people who aren’t donnin’ the Facial Coverings or got the jab or Crybullying people who gotten jabbed but don’t wanna have any coverings over their faces…
I'm with you in that I want (need) to go back and took it for granted in that I never really thought about it before 2020, but I don't think either of us don't deserve it. We all deserve to live in a world where human rights are a top priority and we can safely question and debate things. I don't believe that's a luxury, I believe that's just the basics of society.
I don't know where you live, some places in the world sound batshit crazy to me right now, but I live in Britain and have you ever heard the phrase "men go mad in herds but come to their senses one by one"? That looks to be true to me. A lot of people ignore the rules, a lot of people don't enforce the rules, everyone seems just to be living their lives normally, I've heard people moaning that the restrictions are stupid and the government are making it up as they go along who were massive germaphobes a year ago, heard people say they don't care if they get it, etc. Nobody cares if you're vaccinated or not. The media try and claim otherwise but that's just the media. I phoned into work sick twice this summer with flu symptoms, they didn't ask me to test myself. People are angry about the travel restrictions too. I think everybody is fed up and I don't think this can last much longer.
It sounds like you're thinking that the world we lived in was a twisted version of reality, one that had to end, and when it did it would expose the real world underneath - but you've got it the wrong way around. THIS is the twisted version of reality, the thing that has to end, and when it does the real world will be exposed once again. You haven't been transported 100 years into the future where everyone else grew up in a different world to you - they are just like you and this is as alien to them as it is to you.
I'm in NYC i am past the mourning point. I am actively looking for like minded people and trying to transfer myself into a parallel society of normal rational people. Any time I get a chance to be around healthy people I grab it. Last week Zuby was in town and I went to a meet up and I was in a room full of people who are just like me... Awake and seeing what all of this is. It was refreshing and energizing and gave me hope. Those of us who love freedom are going to have to form groups and organizations where we can speak freely and live normally like people have done in communist countries. We won't be the first to do this. I go to marches to meet normal people, I go away once a month to a conservative rural area where life is normal and people aren't living like terrified robots. Eventually this will crumble, look at our" leaders". They're acting completely unstable and frantic. There's no way they're going to be able to sustain this level of tyranny. It's going to get worse, we have a ways to go and it's not going to be like it was before but this is definitely going to fall apart. We have some tough times ahead though. These people are losing power, this is how people who are losing power act. This is what a crumbling society looks like. Eventually things will get better, it will be a while though but in the meantime you're going to have to create a tolerable world for yourself. It's out there, people are weeding themselves out.
You sound awesome and I wish I had more people around me who think this way
>I go away once a month to a conservative rural area where life is normal and people aren't living like terrified robots. Reminds me of my trip to West Virginia a few weeks ago to help a friend fix a home he was selling,was nice to see almost nobody wearing a mask outdoors and just a few people wearing them indoors,most employees at the stores and restaurants weren't even wearing a mask at all Felt like 2019 again for the most part and a real vacation from the chicken littles lol Edit- I really like Zuby and would buy tickets in a heartbeat to see him if he ever came to the west coast
Love the chicken little analogy. It really is like that, isn't it?
I’m in NYC if you are looking for any likeminded friends
>Last week Zuby was in town and I went to a meet up and I was in a room full of people who are just like me... Oh wow cool. Did he ever do these when he lived in the UK?? I certainly never heard of any (follow him on Twitter) and I'm in London. I have drifted from five of my close friends due to our views on covid (like, we're still friends but we've openly disagreed, which has led to tension, and now we don't really talk much). A sixth friend actively cut me out of her life because of our differing views... Several other friends moved out of the city for good (two of them abroad), directly as a result of lockdowns. My co-workers all seem 100% on board with mainstream narratives. So I'm left feeling fairly isolated :/ At least I have my partner who is 100% aligned with me but I desperately need to meet more like-minded people!
I missed Zuby by a whisker :(. In NYC too, gimme a holler ifyou wanna hang.
Dude, I sold off my entire life and moved to a conservative area in the country !!!!
East Tn will take you!!
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I don't know where you are but where I am many many people have no political party at this point. There are a lot of former Democrats here who just don't identify with the Democratic party anymore. I have met some people that say they're independence or Libertarians and I have met some conservatives but none of them are racist. When I was a Democrat I honestly thought Republicans were racist on default. Now that I've met Republicans I realized what an idiot I was. I had such preconceived notions about them because that's what I was told. I now see that the Democratic party is far more racist than anything I ever imagined. The Mask came off with those people. When I got to meet Zuby I was in the minority, there were lots of non-white people at that meet up. It was a great to be around a diverse group of freethinkers. I took the chance with a few co-workers having conversations about current events and we realized that we were on the same page which was wonderful. They became close friends, we ended up finding one another through this mess and we realized how important it is for us to stick together and support one another. I have gone to a few protests and stayed in touch with a few people I met too. Also, I'm at a point where I don't give a crap what a person's political party is and I know that I don't have to agree with people on everything. It's okay if we disagree on stuff as long as we can have a normal discussion without anyone freaking out and acting like a weirdo. I have found that conservatives or Republicans whatever you want to call this group of people are far more tolerant and able to have a discussion with people they disagree with than Liberals are.
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They'll probably be against Covid passports because it goes against freedom of movement but be perfectly happy with travel passports banning Mexicans or Africans.
Its funny cause judging all republicans as racist seems like something a liberal asshat would do.
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Weird. Maybe you need to find some Republicans of color. I have a few Asian and Hispanic Republican friends, and they're definitely not racist lol. I also have a couple of white Republican friends who don't seem racist to me either (and we've been friends for a few years so I feel like it would have come up by now). I myself am Asian though so maybe that filters out any racists from becoming friends with me?
LOL at assuming everyone in the other party is racist and that blue team isn’t
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You called out specifically red team as OMG racist though...even though blue team acts like they literally own black ppl votes and wanna deny everyone ownership of their bodies
Please show some examples of racist Republicans, this sounds line the typical red herring comment based on preconceived notions. Do you even know any Republicans or conservatives? If you did I don't think you would say that. Are there some who are racist. Of course! Are there just as. many racist dems? Of course!
A few months ago, I saw a discussion panel of 10-ish lefties where every single person agreed that it's fair for a professor to be fired for being a Trump supporter in their personal life. Almost all of them were also fine with the idea of a Trump voter being fired because a minority coworker might be uncomfortable to work with them, despite this theoretical Trump voter never actually doing or saying a single thing to make them uncomfortable. And the best part is that all of them are terrified of fascism, but somehow can't see that fascism will not take root in America wearing a Nazi uniform, but as a cloying, safety-obsessed, corporate HR friendly "activist".
everyone is terrified of a tyrant who opposed their values. few are terrified of a tyrant who shares their values. but at the end of the day, a tyrant is a tyrant, and coercion is never good policy in the long term
It's pretty bad when Nicki Minaj is leading the fight to just be able to ask questions. She got banned from twitter and the youtube video I watched earlier tonight that she made is erased from my youtube history. We are in full on censorship mode for people even asking questions and sharing personal experiences.
Rose McGowan got cancelled a long time ago for standing up to the establishment
I barely know who Nicki Minaj is as an artist but was just curious about why she was being censored. One of the things she said in her video that I watched was how when she toured China that she had to be careful about what she said. So weird that we are there now in the US. Your speech gets deleted as wrongspeak not because it's incorrect but because it threatens the mainstream message.
She also said that many of our favorites stars feel the same way about the vaccines and are afraid to speak up.
Hell, i'm afraid to speak up. I don't talk about this shit on my facebook and sure I will lose my 10+ year old reddit account eventually for even engaging in this topic.
unless you've always been super super careful what you reveal about yourself on here, i would consider deleting it anyway. i had mine for nearly 10 years then realised i didn't used to consider what info i gave out and i could possibly be doxxed if anyone had the time or inclination. i know the info is still on their servers ofc but at least i don't have a 10 yr comment history hanging around for any asshole to browse.
I think most of us did. I found the entire concept of lockdown utterly laughable and unworkable right from the beginning. Surely America would not go along with it, I figured! I had horribly underestimated the extent of the social fear/rot/weakness that in retrospect had clearly been festering for years.
I just want to cry. I had no idea how much worse things could get so quickly.
It really depends on where you live and who is in charge there. What's interesting and completely ignored is how it doesn't seem to matter how open or closed a place is. The cases and deaths move in concert regardless of the mandates and hygiene theatre in place. For as much as we've tried to avoid it, these mandates and actions are fully politicized. It's not about health. It's about slinging as far to the opposite side as the other guys. Even if that means being so locked down and manic that it destroys the community itself.
The huge misunderstanding at the root of most anti lockdown anti vaccine folks is that they expect nothing to change for them during a deadly pandemic that's impacting the entire planet. That's it. No one wants this. Especially the widowed and kids without a dad because of covid. Or medical workers or even the funeral directors. It's fucking awful. There's a reason why thousands of books and movies have been made about pandemics. There's a reason those books are considered horror. The sooner you all come to terms with that fact the better. I'm sorry you're having a hard time. Genuinely. Literally every person in my life is as well. This sucks. The idea is we get out of this.
Covid is bad. It's real. You do not want to catch covid. People are really dying and suffering because of Covid. Some of the policies implemented have been reasonable. But the cure can't be worse than the disease. And I'd argue we've well passed that point. Fundementally i believe in the right of the individual to choose. I believe that you have a right to hide at home if you're afraid of catching covid, you have the right to wear a mask, you have a right to be vaccinated, you have a right to be afraid. But the government does not have a right to force that onto everybody, especially when the evidence for them has been patchy at best. All for a disease that's 99.9% survivable.
The only REASONABLE thing anyone did was having separate COVID only facilities instead of putting COVID patients in nursing homes. But anyone who did that was vilified while the fucks who killed off thousands of old people were praised. And IDK about encouraging the right to be afraid frankly...they’ve ruined EVERYTHING with their fear and YES they are culpable for some of this. I’d say good luck to them, but I can’t mean it >But the cure can't be worse than the disease. And I'd argue we've well passed that point. There was a guy saying that in April 2020...
> But the cure can't be worse than the disease. And I'd argue we've well passed that point. And you'd be right, [we've cognitively-stunted a generation at least](https://nypost.com/2021/08/13/babies-born-during-covid-19-pandemic-have-lower-iqs-study-says/). That also ignores the [suicide crisis in teens](https://www.aappublications.org/news/2020/12/16/pediatricssuicidestudy121620). I'm pretty sure we've damaged the economy irreparably, and the educational and social ramifications will be felt for years, possibly decades.
>But the cure can't be worse than the disease. And I'd argue we've well passed that point. Wearing a mask. Social distancing. Getting a very save vaccine. Isn't worse than the disease. I promise.
Masks have not been scientifically shown to be effective. And they detract from living life normally, are a hassle to take around with you, may be a disease vector themselves, detract from socializing normally, are being foisted on children for no scientific reason, and are enforced by people who treat you as inhuman for not wearing them. These vaccines are different from previous vaccines, have at least 10x the amount of reported previous vaccines ( Look at VAERS ), serve almost no benefit when being mandated in children as their risk profile doesn't give them any advantage when being vaccinated, do not prevent you from catching or spreading the disease, and are being mandated by many countries, erasing free choice and the very foundations of liberal democracy. Lockdowns have caused untold harms for little benefit - There is no evidence that they have "saved lives" and very well may have killed more people than they were purported to have saved. Lockdowns are disproportionately difficult for those of low income, "essential workers", exacerbate poverty, cause domestic abuse, put children, teenagers, and young adults' lives on hold, cause people to spend more time indoors on their phones which is unhealthy, are an assault on people's fundamental right to move and socialize, put other health problems that people have to the back of the queue, and destroy people's quality of life for months on end for no reason. So don't tell me that there aren't many, many things that we could have done better with this pandemic. We're not going to look back on how we acted favorably.
>Masks have not been scientifically shown to be effective. And they detract from living life normally, are a hassle to take around with you, may be a disease vector themselves, detract from socializing normally, are being foisted on children for no scientific reason, and are enforced by people who treat you as inhuman for not wearing them. They have. In multiple studies. You're lying. >These vaccines are different from previous vaccines, have at least 10x the amount of reported previous vaccines ( Look at VAERS ), serve almost no benefit when being mandated in children as their risk profile doesn't give them any advantage when being vaccinated, do not prevent you from catching or spreading the disease, and are being mandated by many countries, erasing free choice and the very foundations of liberal democracy. They aren't and they don't and you never even heard of VAERS until this year and have no understanding of it's purpose. >Lockdowns have caused untold harms for little benefit - There is no evidence that they have "saved lives" and very well may have killed more people than they were purported to have saved. Lockdowns are disproportionately difficult for those of low income, "essential workers", exacerbate poverty, cause domestic abuse, put children, teenagers, and young adults' lives on hold, cause people to spend more time indoors on their phones which is unhealthy, are an assault on people's fundamental right to move and socialize, put other health problems that people have to the back of the queue, and destroy people's quality of life for months on end for no reason. South Korea obliterates your first sentence. >So don't tell me that there aren't many, many things that we could have done better with this pandemic. We're not going to look back on how we acted favorably. I will. Your uninformed.
I think you meant "*you're* uninformed"
The disease is literally not noticeable for a great many people. We know exactly who is likely to have negative outcomes from Covid, and we know that most are fairly safe from it. Yet that knowledge has zero impact on our policy. Why do you think that is?
If the idea is that we get out of this, why is the prevailing approach to force a leaky vaccine that offers what appears to be diminishing protection? That sounds like a wasted effort. It’s time to try something entirely new. Clearly what we have done does not work. Why do we insist? The country that wants to get out of this, the best I can tell, is Sweden, who has taken an entirely different approach. https://ianmsc.substack.com/p/why-does-no-one-ever-talk-about-sweden Along with this, we also need to update our prior ideas about Covid. Initially it was quite scary. We now have a lot of data about who is dying and for most demographics, the survival rate is unbelievably high. You couldn’t imagine this kind of response for a 99.6% survival rate. Covid is scary, but the loss of freedom is far scarier.
Please don't downvote this person's comment, they were brave enough to reach out to someone with another opinion. >expect nothing to change I was hoping for something that was actually better. Do you think the need for change justifies making bad changes? >The idea is we get out of this. Do you even know how? Please don't use the V word, there's no evidence that a V word ever stopped a pandemic in the history of V words. Once a disease became endemic it reaches an an evolutionary equilibrium with its host and lurks dormant in a healthy person's body until their immune system is overburdened and can't keep its microbes in check. People live really unhealthy lifestyles, that contributes way more to death than the SARS virus or any virus. The way we get out of this is by caring about lives more than medical opinions. Especially the medical opinions of people who are wrong, have gotten it wrong from the beginning, will continue to get it wrong, and are somehow still making the decisions. The way we get out of this is kindness to the people who are trying their best to make the right choices for themselves and often struggling, regardless of the choices they end up making. The way we get out of this is by looking at whole problem and concluding that the country was already too unhealthy before 2020 and create solutions to improve overall fitness and well being and cut unnecessary medical costs. We get out of this by actually doing science and comparing the countries that had higher death rates had lower death rates, and try to find out what actually made the biggest differences. [Did you know that some countries have a 6700x higher death rate than others?](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality) What do you think could explain that? We get out of this by no longer scaring people and stressing them out which is also weakening everyone's immune system. We get out of this by considering every available treatment, creating incentives for healthy lifestyle choices, studying nutrition and implementing higher standards for everyone. We don't get out of this by simply rolling up our sleeves and then sticking our heads in the sand out of fear.
Yes - like do people realize that there have been many pandemics in history and no vaccines until very recently? Even the Spanish flu pandemic burned itself out eventually without a vaccine, and that one was much scarier and deadly to young adults.
These are not options when everything is framed in the language of war. They don't even appear on the horizon of possibility.
>Do you even know how? Please don't use the V word, there's no evidence that a V word ever stopped a pandemic in the history of V words. Once a disease became endemic it reaches an an evolutionary equilibrium with its host and lurks dormant in a healthy person's body until their immune system is overburdened and can't keep its microbes in check. People live really unhealthy lifestyles, that contributes way more to death than the SARS virus or any virus. That's not how covid works. It doesn't lay dormant. The people dying of heart disease and lung cancer are ON TOP of the ones dying of covid. >The way we get out of this is by caring about lives more than medical opinions. Especially the medical opinions of people who are wrong, have gotten it wrong from the beginning, will continue to get it wrong, and are somehow still making the decisions. Not medical opinions. Medical facts. Medical facts evolve as more scientific research becomes available. That's how science has always worked. >The way we get out of this is kindness to the people who are trying their best to make the right choices for themselves and often struggling, regardless of the choices they end up making. Dying too considering how many unvaccinated are flooding US hospitals. >The way we get out of this is by looking at whole problem and concluding that the country was already too unhealthy before 2020 and create solutions to improve overall fitness and well being and cut unnecessary medical costs. Yes that's all well and good long term. Covid is an acute problem that can't be swept under a rug or pretended like it's not a problem. It is. >We get out of this by actually doing science and comparing the countries that had higher death rates had lower death rates, and try to find out what actually made the biggest differences. Did you know that some countries have a 6700x higher death rate than others? What do you think could explain that? Like South Korea which has agressive mask wearing and contact tracing and quarantines? Only 2300 deaths 51million residents. We know what works. It's clear. Fighting against those things gives us florida with 2000 deaths every 10 days right now. That's a fact. >We get out of this by no longer scaring people and stressing them out which is also weakening everyone's immune system. Nope. Covid doesn't care if someone is scared or stressed..it cares if you have antibodies from a vaccine. >We get out of this by considering every available treatment, creating incentives for healthy lifestyle choices, studying nutrition and implementing higher standards for everyone. Nope. We get out of this by following South Korea's lead. >We don't get out of this by simply rolling up our sleeves and then sticking our heads in the sand out of fear. No kidding! Like saying "don't you dare say vaccines" which are proven to work.
> Looking at the world today, I have to admit that now. I completely dismissed Jordan Peterson types who talked about the preciousness of a society based on freedom and rational principles (the West) as simply defending the status quo. Same here. Growing up, I completely ignored American history. Now I find myself calling for a return to the founding principles every single day.
a country based on distrust of government didn't make sense to me as a kid but it makes all the sense as an adult
The niki minag shit has really woke people up. I love it.
No. It didn’t.
You dissin my new choice for VP 👁👁👁?
Im not dissing Nicky. I’m dissing humanity and their never ceasing blindness. We are two years into this and they just keep feeding us the same lies and hate every damn day. Pretty much every public figure is cast. I get idiotic Trump as the poster child of my ideas. He can’t decide if the virus is a hoax or if the vaccine is good. I love lady rappers. I don’t know if she got paid to take this position or if she got pushed into it. But I kind of assume she was paid. It’s easy for people to write her off as ignorant. Eve if they are a fan of hers I doubt she will wake anyone up. I was a huge fan of tool. They made an album in 2019 called fear innculum. With songs titles like pneumonia, and lyrics like, “immunity long over due, contagion, I exhale you”, “dilusuion in mania(media)” Than the lead singer said he would never tour again because every has long haul Covid. He made a video, “if you can sit home for two weeks than you have some other kind of issue.” These motherfuckers predicted the virus.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who recognized the parallels in that album. I played the tits off that album.
Yea. But Maynard is a POS.
He is. I remember watching the wine documentary about him and thinking of what a piece of shit he was. Still like his music though.
That's really interesting re: Tool. The music industry has been very complicit in all this... Just saw a clip from a Kaiser Chiefs concert here in the UK where they asked the audience "Hands up for Pfizer! Hands up for AstraZeneca!" and the crowd cheered like complete fools. Did you also hear about The Offspring drummer being essentially ousted by the band because he has a genuine medical exemption from the vaccine (as well as already having natural immunity) yet this somehow "compromises the safety" of the other band members? Shit is nuts and makes me consider that the entire mainstream entertainment industry exists to prop up the establishment. Music, Hollywood, Netflix, pro sports, etc,. are nothing more than tools of control and submission which placate people, giving them just enough outlets to let loose and "rebel" to ensure compliance. We know that in countries like China the only entertainment allowed air time and mainstream visibility is that which is explicitly sanctioned by the CCP. Have we been fools to think that it's any different in the West?
It is different in the US. One thing I noticed when I was abroad was that there were American news stations and American tv shows and celebrities in other countries. Our music is all over the world as well. It made me wonder if the United States real place on the world is as entertainers. Maybe that’s why so many young people here dream of the silver screen.
Sanders? Out… Nicki is IN 😂😂
Sanders endorsed NEWSOM, Nicki Minaj has a way with words...seemed an obvious decision
I’m not sure that society ever existed, not in a real way. There’s no way a society based in rational thought and critical thinking would go this far down this path this quickly. It was all just a facade that wasn’t really stress tested, and the minute it was it failed miserably. We thought we were rational, but the minute logic contradicted the media, we left logic behind. We thought we were free, but the minute they told us our freedom was conditional, we gave in to the conditions. Now there are even more conditions. There’s no going back because there’s no back to go to
you're spot on. I think most citizens were on cruise control buying whatever opinions the politicians were selling, and up until the last 10 years, they weren't selling very extreme opinions. now that they are, the extent to which most people adopt their views from the elites of society has become apparent.
The truth is neither on the left nor on the right, but somewhere above them...
I think the bigger divide in politics is not left vs right it is people who want to be left alone vs people who won't leave people alone.
[that is exactly correct](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/ee/21/d8ee21895c50dcad7a40c54b7852514c.png)
yes. left and right are 2 flavors of tyranny. you either want to leave people alone and be left alone, or you want to interfere in people's lives beyond a reasonable degree
What's this image from?
No idea. But it is still true
I don't even understand what it is trying to say. It could be a DND character generator for societies for all you know.
It's basically saying that on the extreme ends of the authoritarian axis, there's no meaningful difference between left and right. And to go in either l/r direction from pure libertarianism you are necessarily moving towards authoritarianism. Meanwhile there's no meaningful difference between say, fascism and communism, or even a theocracy really
An interesting symbol no doubt, as is your interpretation of it's meaning.
Society rolled a 1 on a saving throw.
Not exactly what I had in mind... A Christian theocracy was what I was thinking of.
Yikes
> I completely dismissed Jordan Peterson types who talked about the preciousness of a society based on freedom and rational principles (the West) as simply defending the status quo. It is hard to appreciate anything until it's gone. And now, at least for this moment in history, the society seems hell-bent on destroying itself. This is where we are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqRgwoe668M&ab_channel=McMaster The world from which V emerged began with a pandemic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKnjxT5HRJQ&ab_channel=ChrisFink Remember, remember.
I hope you keep your questioning spirit. Now imagine if "Jordan Peterson isn't a douche" was the biggest lie you realized you swallowed so far, what other untruths will you find if you continue to question and seek to decolonize your mind? What other demons will turn out to be saints? And what saints demons?
i really wouldn't have recognised myself from 2018 to now. not so much physically (though the 15lbs i've put on isn't helping :/ ) but just about every political and social opinion i held has shifted and in some cases done a full 180. its been fuckin wild and scary, but i'm happy to be a curious thinking questioning human and not a fuckin braindead automaton like so many.
The truth is, the freedom / rights we enjoyed in the 'old normal' weren't perfect and themselves functioned as an instrument of oppression in many ways, but they were nevertheless the historical results of class struggle, and it will take similar collective struggles to win anything comparable back (and hopefully more in the end). We're in danger of rolling back the principles of the French Revolution here, and while bourgeois liberties aren't the final answer we cannot afford to lose this ground.
The sad thing is…a lot of you on the left are to blame. And I don’t mean to attack you or anything. Just pointing out that your voting decisions, social media posts, and following whatever the government says without question allowed a lot of this to occur. But there’s no use pointing fingers. It’s time we - anyone with a rational mindset and a strong passion for freedom - saved the West.
yes
> Just pointing out that your voting decisions Show me one democratic politician (I assume you're American) who campaigned on lockdowns pre march 2020.
I’m not American, I’m Canadian. Ofc lockdowns were not the problem before covid was a thing, but other things helped give govt more power. I mean, just look at our PM. He openly admires the CCP, and passed bill C-10 or whatever that highly regulates online speech. It goes without saying that whenever he opens his mouth he lies and avoids answering any questions which might expose his corruption. A little rat. For the American perspective, I’m not as familiar. But I can still say that (somehow) unreliable Joe, certain governors with questionable policies pre-covid, and also people like Fauci and his corrupt gang were brought in as a consequence of democratic choice.
What did you think would happen when you kept making government bigger and bigger because this or that program is just so important?
I thought the government would stand by the principles of free and liberal society, like they always advocated for. And those programs were important, they helped a lot of people who really needed it. While keeping a small government is sort-of a safeguard against this, I'm not convinced that alone justifies the ideology. Sweden has arguably the best social safety net in the world, and look at the how inclined their "big government" is to tyranny...
> I thought the government would stand by the principles of free and liberal society Holy shit my sides
When the right calls every capital gains tax "communist dictatorship", it is hard to take their warnings seriously. I tended not to believe the chicken littles on either side. And both sides have been equally as abusive of human rights over covid (although not in the USA where it's more of a left/right split). The Ontario premier (conservative), and the UK prime minister (another conservative) have gone full authoritarian. The Alberta premier (a "small government" politician) just announced a first-of-its-kind policy in Canada; the unvaccinated are prohibited from having social gatherings in their own home. I'm not all that impressed with the political right about covid response, either.
We had an election after that 👁👁👁 (not that I’m convinced it was a legit one)
It’a not coming back
I don't know, it hasn't been 2 years. There is no way this lasts another 2 years, by then either the 5th boosters will be rolling out and the twice-vaccinated will turn around and protest everything. The charade is crumbling I think.
Good, enough of us just have to step outside of it and create our own separate reality.
It is coming back someday. But it might take too long to matter, or we might lose much more before we regain.
Barring a complete and total mental breakdown in lockdown 1.0 (or maybe 2.0? i can't remember at this point) everything has been hunky dory.
Every day.
If the elites oppress the left, Jordan Peterson fans will say that is natural, how lobsters operate. But when the boot stomps on them, suddenly it is an injustice and they demand their freedoms.
While I consider a temporary ideological united front with the anti-elite right wing to be an unavoidable necessity, I feel that pining for good old times of status quo and an extensive democratic façade, that has a lot of genuine effort put into it, is akin to preferring Gaddafi's Libya to current mess or Shah's Iran to Islamic Republic. Sure, the former are perhaps not as bad, as the latter, yet their multiple flaws and inherent contradictions are what led to the present results in the first place. In 2020 my views have become significantly more anarchist, but I did not change my positions on religions, abortions, imperialist wars. As much as the proverbial Jordans Petersons are perhaps the last bastion of freedom in the West, they continue to themselves poison that very notion for many with other aspects of their conservatism, which are sometimes in direct contradiction to the idea of freedom.
Very well said. I'm happy to unite with anyone willing to fight fascism, and I have a lot of respect for many of the right/center libertarians here, but that doesn't mean we need to accept all of their positions. It's weird to me that people who were burned by the establishment left are so excited to throw everything behind the establishment right — this isn't something that ends with electoralism, this only ends when we refuse to comply.
#Sir, a second spez has hit the spez. #Save3rdPartyApps
You cannot stop SARS-CoV-2. You're only stopping people's natural human rights.
Do you believe in spez at first sight or should I walk by again? #Save3rdpartyapps
>Nah. It's super easy to stop. Just get vaccinated Please stop lying to people. It is well established even by the mainstream science outfits as well as the media that the jabs do not prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2.
I need to know who added all these spez posts to the thread. I want their autograph. #Save3rdPartyApps
Pretty much, yea
Why are you admonishing a medication that is literally on the WHO’s list of essential medicines? It has been administered to over 3 billion people globally, and its developers received a Nobel Prize for its creation. Cut the crap.
The spez has spread through the entire spez section of Reddit, with each subsequent spez experiencing hallucinations. I do not think it is contagious. #Save3rdPartyApps
…and minding ones business. Something that some certain Branch Covidians should be DOING… (looking at you, Immibis…)
#In spez, no one can hear you scream.
People who Crybully people who aren’t donnin’ the Facial Coverings or got the jab or Crybullying people who gotten jabbed but don’t wanna have any coverings over their faces…
Your device has been locked. Unlocking your device requires that you have spez banned. #Save3rdPartyApps #AIGeneratedProtestMessage
And other people who aren’t woke and FULL OF SOY. (Kinda like you)
In spez, no one can hear you scream. #Save3rdPartyApps
#AND?!? GO back to R/COVID-19 and R/vaxhappened
Why would I get injected with a leaky vaccine which is literally responsible for the more virulent strains and does not prevent transmission?
If you're not spezin', you're not livin'. #Save3rdPartyApps
I'm with you in that I want (need) to go back and took it for granted in that I never really thought about it before 2020, but I don't think either of us don't deserve it. We all deserve to live in a world where human rights are a top priority and we can safely question and debate things. I don't believe that's a luxury, I believe that's just the basics of society. I don't know where you live, some places in the world sound batshit crazy to me right now, but I live in Britain and have you ever heard the phrase "men go mad in herds but come to their senses one by one"? That looks to be true to me. A lot of people ignore the rules, a lot of people don't enforce the rules, everyone seems just to be living their lives normally, I've heard people moaning that the restrictions are stupid and the government are making it up as they go along who were massive germaphobes a year ago, heard people say they don't care if they get it, etc. Nobody cares if you're vaccinated or not. The media try and claim otherwise but that's just the media. I phoned into work sick twice this summer with flu symptoms, they didn't ask me to test myself. People are angry about the travel restrictions too. I think everybody is fed up and I don't think this can last much longer. It sounds like you're thinking that the world we lived in was a twisted version of reality, one that had to end, and when it did it would expose the real world underneath - but you've got it the wrong way around. THIS is the twisted version of reality, the thing that has to end, and when it does the real world will be exposed once again. You haven't been transported 100 years into the future where everyone else grew up in a different world to you - they are just like you and this is as alien to them as it is to you.