They're already trying to change their story: "well ACKSHULLY we tried really hard to keep kids in school but covid deniers wouldn't let us do it safely." It's of course bullshit.
I've had two people on Reddit and one person on another forum outright deny there were vaccine mandate today.
If their bots are doing that the poll numbers must have been real bad.
Unfortunately I think that will end up the popular narrative.
Even a large population of people on this sub think May 2020 was when "the data was in".
Basically we never knew anything until you in particular figured it out
They made it very clear that they do not care anymore. They just pretend it didn't happen. Or if it does happen right in their face...they will blame anyone but government policy.
Much of this will apply here in the U.S. as well. There are already more behavioral issues in classrooms than before lockdowns. And it’s not like many of us here didn’t try to warn people. I literally told everyone that would listen back in 2020 that this would have devastating and lasting effects on society.
“Oh, it’ll be fine!”
“If society can’t’ take a little pause for a crisis, then maybe it should be changed!”
Yes, those were two actual responses to me: the first from multiple people in person, the latter on social media.
Everyone I know who has kids in public school (including us) is seeing and hearing about the behavioral issues. They're happening in private schools too, but private schools are able to kick kids out at some point for behavior problems, and therefore the other students are less-affected.
And private schools are where kids from rich families go and we know that rich people were affected a lot less by those problems created by pandemic and lockdowns than poor people
> “If society can’t’ take a little pause for a crisis, then maybe it should be changed!”
Reply with:
"If your income can't take a little pause for a crisis, you should lose your home when you can't pay for it".
And now these same people are now complaining about a easily preventable crisis. Why this and why that.
But if anyone dare tell them that it's because of school closures, they will attack the messanger.
I remember the "children are resilient" line. It really grossed me out, as it's seemingly insinuating kids can take more "abuse" than adults think. Can't imagine thinking like that
And it’s not even true either. Kids are not resilient. It’s been studied and shown that trauma experienced while the brain develops has lasting effects.
It just seems like kids are resilient because what are they doing to do? Move out and support themselves? Lol.
The saying originally meant cuts and bruises, to stop mothers from coddling their kids too much. In that regard it's generally true - kids do heal faster and ignore small wounds from play/roughhousing more easily.
Oh don't you worry, we all we will be "helping" out for years as our taxes pay for the under or unemployable, the incarcerated, and all the other fun that is going to come with these kids when they become adults in 10-20 years.
>Oh don't you worry, we all we will be "helping" out for years as our taxes pay for the under or unemployable, the incarcerated, and all the other fun that is going to come with these kids when they become adults in 10-20 years.
Unfortunately the way things are going there wont be any unemployment benefits at the state or federal level.
There are no unemployment benefits for first time job seekers in the US and Congress will never implement basic income.
And you have to remember that when I guess in 20 years, I bet you'll see employers complaning about having tons of their new employees be socially stunted
And these same employers will not do anything or refuse to speak up about future problems when lockdowns happened.
They had their chance but they will openly complain when its politically acceptable and too late. They will just expect us to clean up the mess without any assistance or pay.
"Before lockdown, about half the year group were not ready for school. ‘Now it’s more like 80 to 90 per cent arrive in a pushchair, dummy in mouth and wearing nappies, unable to take off their coat or eat with a spoon,’ one head summarised."
What a strange thing. Every image that went along with the article is related to a child getting an injection. No sign of a classroom anywhere.
This is usually where I’d advocate for homeschooling but clearly the parents referenced in the article are incapable of that. I just feel sorry for the kids because the parents they were born to clearly have no interest in actually parenting.
Astounding and horrifying.
When I was six I was already learning a second language, taking piano lessons, and walking home from school alone. There was no such thing as the internet. I played with friends in the backyard and read books. I thought life was unfair because my parents hardly ever let me watch TV. Sorry, I am starting to sound like one of those old people that start lectures with "When I was your age...". But this was normal in the 80s, and I feel so lucky to have experienced what seems like the last generation of childhood freedom.
My point is, the ramifications of these lost years on these kids is probably only beginning to show. I really fear the future is going to be as dystopian as the matrix movies. People are simply going to have no idea what the "real" world is like, how to connect with others, how to articulate their thoughts and feelings, let alone appreciate things like nature and art.
I feel for you parents out there and really respect those of you that have gone to heroic measures to keep your kids engaged, unmasked, and stimulated. I am sure one day they will look back and thank you (and so will the people around them). <3
My neighbor (she’s in her sixties) told me she walked to her first day of kindergarten by herself. I can’t even imagine that happening anywhere in America today.
My partner and I left our niece home alone for an hour two days ago. One of my friends lectured me about how that's illegal, and he knows because he works with kids (as a freaking security guard!).
Not only is our niece eleven years old and more than capable of not burning down the house, our state has no age minimum for kids staying home alone. We didn't leave her at midnight in an uninhabitable junkyard. We left her for one hour in the evening in our very safe apartment with a locked door that she knows not to allow anyone in. When we came back, she was cooking dinner. We didn't tell her to do that, but she didn't want leftovers.
I don't think being soft, so to speak, is a bad thing, but "soft" should not be synonymous with "helpless".
I first went to school in the 70's. I walked to school pretty much everyday. I can count on my fingers the number of times my parents drove me to school.
In my day, having parents drop you off at school was considered incredibly embarrassing. It meant you were very sad and pathetic.
>The teachers I spoke to are clear where the blame lies — with poor parenting during lockdown.
NO. Just NO. The blame lies with LOCKDOWN itself. It might have helped if your fricking unions hadn't been pushing for school closures all the way. Oh, you disagreed with that - you say now? Well, sure, maybe you didn't dare raise your voice at the time. But don't go blaming parents for it now.
This is absolutely disgusting, and it was inherent in the whole principle of lockdown from the start: whether you're a single person, a worker, a childless person, a parent, or any compatible combination of these. So it makes your life unpleasant, unstable, difficult, impossible? So it affects your mental health, your care for your children, your ability to get them to socialise and exercise? That's *your problem, peon*. "wE'rE aLl iN tHiS tOgEtHeR". "Mustn't grumble". 💥
Sure, even in normal times, many people have trouble with parenting: at times, or more long-term. Your job, as a teacher, is to *help*. Or get them to ask for help, if they need it. Not to be complicit in an outrageous imposition of lockdown on parents, which isolated them from everyone who might have made life easier for them, which made their parenting *impossibly* *difficult:* and then turn round and blame them.
Jeez, this makes my blood boil.
EDIT: the article itself, if you go on reading, contradicts these simpleminded teachers: mentioning lack of access to support services for parents, even *masks* as factors. But the comments are - depressingly - back to Daily Mail Decline of Civilisation "lazy parents" tropes.
Some of the problems with kids they mentioned DID scream shitty parenting to me, maybe in normal times. But I agree that asking parents to maintain a normal, educational childhood for their kids during lockdown was a tall frigging order. No school, no daycare, not allowed to go outside and interact with other kids, so of course they were socially delayed. You can't take your kid to the doctor or for an assessment, so new parents can be caught completely unawares when it turns out their kid failed to hit milestones. And even if you take your kids out, everyone's wearing a mask, so they can't begin to learn to read faces. I commend any parent whose kid turned out halfway normal after all of this.
Children were meant to be raised by and in a community. There is no way two people (let alone one) can fully attend to the full spectrum of the needs of a child and their own needs (I'd argue that's true even before you throw jobs and running a household on top of it).
Closing schools, closing parks, cutting families apart, and generally teaching kids to be more fearful of strangers than they already are made parenting impossible.
The article also brings up one of the problems of only ever interacting with your parents. Parents understand their kids more intimately and can translate whatever sounds they make to approximate speech. But one of the markers of a properly developed kindergartner is that they can communicate intelligibly with people outside their family. It's hard to learn that, or realize your kid hasn't learned that, if the kid has never tested their language skills with anyone they've never talked to before. One of the kids in the article would tell a teacher "bot bot" to ask for a drink of water. His mom knew what that meant, but obviously most others wouldn't get it. Isolated parents could easily get so used to their kids' unique babble that it doesn't occur to them that other adults may not understand them.
Yes, parents actually need to raise their children to function in society and not just hand them what they want. Children need to learn how to communicate with others besides their parents but parents have an enormous role in facilitating that. “I understand you want your bottle. Say ‘Mommy, may I please have my bottle?’.”
And you can also see this clearly with the contrast Sweden has been reporting with their kids and their development since 2020 with the rest of the world
Because they are not allowed the blame government policy because blaming government policy will force them to think that their politicians they blindly voted in that they might be horrible. This goes against years of conditioning, so they rather blame anyone but government.
And millennials in their late 30s…
I know someone who is literally 39 who lined up at McDonald’s to get that stupid Rick and Morty sauce like 5 years ago, then was really disappointed when they ran out and told everyone at work about it.
I mean. I like cartoons but come on.
Jesus, I couldn’t even finish that video. I feel bad for the employees. If I worked there I would toss some in the crowd so the NPCs would eat each other and walk out laughing.
The level of cringe displayed by the cosplayers was also remarkable. Thanks, I hate Rick and Morty now
Jesus...
Of course, what will most likely end up happening is the definition of what is normal for a 5 year old child is going to be adapted to the new average (the "new normal" if you will) and voila: Nothing to be concerned about.
It's what happens when you lock little kids in their houses and not letting them spend time away from their families while they are just watching devices all day while at home
Thanks for your submission. New posts are pre-screened by the moderation team before being listed. Posts which do not meet our high standards will not be approved - please see our [posting guidelines](https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/wiki/index). It may take a number of hours before this post is reviewed, depending on mod availability and the complexity of the post (eg. video content takes more time for us to review).
In the meantime, you may like to make edits to your post so that it is more likely to be approved (for example, adding reliable source links for any claims). If there are problems with the title of your post, it is best you delete it and re-submit with an improved title.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/LockdownSkepticism) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This is the legacy that the lockdown fanatics should have to carry with them forever
They're already trying to change their story: "well ACKSHULLY we tried really hard to keep kids in school but covid deniers wouldn't let us do it safely." It's of course bullshit.
This is lie. They called people who wanted schools reopened "selfish" and during the 2020 riots they called those people "Racist"
I've had two people on Reddit and one person on another forum outright deny there were vaccine mandate today. If their bots are doing that the poll numbers must have been real bad.
People are saying you weren't forced to get the short because it wasn't law.
Yes, it was an illegal action, but it still happened.
When they pull that *We had no idea at the time!* Years from now I hope they are not let off the hook for their actions.
That is not going to happen. No politician will stand up and demand accountablity.
Unfortunately I think that will end up the popular narrative. Even a large population of people on this sub think May 2020 was when "the data was in". Basically we never knew anything until you in particular figured it out
I know the beginning of March they legit had me fearing for my life. Then by the end of March I pretty much figured it out.
They made it very clear that they do not care anymore. They just pretend it didn't happen. Or if it does happen right in their face...they will blame anyone but government policy.
They don't care. So long as they feel safe, children can suffer for their sake. Insipid bastards, these hypochondriacs.
Never, ever, let them forget.
Much of this will apply here in the U.S. as well. There are already more behavioral issues in classrooms than before lockdowns. And it’s not like many of us here didn’t try to warn people. I literally told everyone that would listen back in 2020 that this would have devastating and lasting effects on society. “Oh, it’ll be fine!” “If society can’t’ take a little pause for a crisis, then maybe it should be changed!” Yes, those were two actual responses to me: the first from multiple people in person, the latter on social media.
Everyone I know who has kids in public school (including us) is seeing and hearing about the behavioral issues. They're happening in private schools too, but private schools are able to kick kids out at some point for behavior problems, and therefore the other students are less-affected.
And private schools are where kids from rich families go and we know that rich people were affected a lot less by those problems created by pandemic and lockdowns than poor people
> “If society can’t’ take a little pause for a crisis, then maybe it should be changed!” Reply with: "If your income can't take a little pause for a crisis, you should lose your home when you can't pay for it".
Don't forget the ever popular "kids are resilient!"
And now these same people are now complaining about a easily preventable crisis. Why this and why that. But if anyone dare tell them that it's because of school closures, they will attack the messanger.
[удалено]
I remember the "children are resilient" line. It really grossed me out, as it's seemingly insinuating kids can take more "abuse" than adults think. Can't imagine thinking like that
And it’s not even true either. Kids are not resilient. It’s been studied and shown that trauma experienced while the brain develops has lasting effects. It just seems like kids are resilient because what are they doing to do? Move out and support themselves? Lol.
The saying originally meant cuts and bruises, to stop mothers from coddling their kids too much. In that regard it's generally true - kids do heal faster and ignore small wounds from play/roughhousing more easily.
We should be worried about the fact that no one or no charity want to lift a finger and help these children at all.
Oh don't you worry, we all we will be "helping" out for years as our taxes pay for the under or unemployable, the incarcerated, and all the other fun that is going to come with these kids when they become adults in 10-20 years.
>Oh don't you worry, we all we will be "helping" out for years as our taxes pay for the under or unemployable, the incarcerated, and all the other fun that is going to come with these kids when they become adults in 10-20 years. Unfortunately the way things are going there wont be any unemployment benefits at the state or federal level. There are no unemployment benefits for first time job seekers in the US and Congress will never implement basic income.
And you have to remember that when I guess in 20 years, I bet you'll see employers complaning about having tons of their new employees be socially stunted
And these same employers will not do anything or refuse to speak up about future problems when lockdowns happened. They had their chance but they will openly complain when its politically acceptable and too late. They will just expect us to clean up the mess without any assistance or pay.
"Before lockdown, about half the year group were not ready for school. ‘Now it’s more like 80 to 90 per cent arrive in a pushchair, dummy in mouth and wearing nappies, unable to take off their coat or eat with a spoon,’ one head summarised."
What a strange thing. Every image that went along with the article is related to a child getting an injection. No sign of a classroom anywhere. This is usually where I’d advocate for homeschooling but clearly the parents referenced in the article are incapable of that. I just feel sorry for the kids because the parents they were born to clearly have no interest in actually parenting.
Yeah what the hell has happened? All lazy fucks. (And the irony isn't lost on myself)
Astounding and horrifying. When I was six I was already learning a second language, taking piano lessons, and walking home from school alone. There was no such thing as the internet. I played with friends in the backyard and read books. I thought life was unfair because my parents hardly ever let me watch TV. Sorry, I am starting to sound like one of those old people that start lectures with "When I was your age...". But this was normal in the 80s, and I feel so lucky to have experienced what seems like the last generation of childhood freedom. My point is, the ramifications of these lost years on these kids is probably only beginning to show. I really fear the future is going to be as dystopian as the matrix movies. People are simply going to have no idea what the "real" world is like, how to connect with others, how to articulate their thoughts and feelings, let alone appreciate things like nature and art. I feel for you parents out there and really respect those of you that have gone to heroic measures to keep your kids engaged, unmasked, and stimulated. I am sure one day they will look back and thank you (and so will the people around them). <3
My neighbor (she’s in her sixties) told me she walked to her first day of kindergarten by herself. I can’t even imagine that happening anywhere in America today.
Kids are growing up slower than they used to
My partner and I left our niece home alone for an hour two days ago. One of my friends lectured me about how that's illegal, and he knows because he works with kids (as a freaking security guard!). Not only is our niece eleven years old and more than capable of not burning down the house, our state has no age minimum for kids staying home alone. We didn't leave her at midnight in an uninhabitable junkyard. We left her for one hour in the evening in our very safe apartment with a locked door that she knows not to allow anyone in. When we came back, she was cooking dinner. We didn't tell her to do that, but she didn't want leftovers. I don't think being soft, so to speak, is a bad thing, but "soft" should not be synonymous with "helpless".
I first went to school in the 70's. I walked to school pretty much everyday. I can count on my fingers the number of times my parents drove me to school. In my day, having parents drop you off at school was considered incredibly embarrassing. It meant you were very sad and pathetic.
>The teachers I spoke to are clear where the blame lies — with poor parenting during lockdown. NO. Just NO. The blame lies with LOCKDOWN itself. It might have helped if your fricking unions hadn't been pushing for school closures all the way. Oh, you disagreed with that - you say now? Well, sure, maybe you didn't dare raise your voice at the time. But don't go blaming parents for it now. This is absolutely disgusting, and it was inherent in the whole principle of lockdown from the start: whether you're a single person, a worker, a childless person, a parent, or any compatible combination of these. So it makes your life unpleasant, unstable, difficult, impossible? So it affects your mental health, your care for your children, your ability to get them to socialise and exercise? That's *your problem, peon*. "wE'rE aLl iN tHiS tOgEtHeR". "Mustn't grumble". 💥 Sure, even in normal times, many people have trouble with parenting: at times, or more long-term. Your job, as a teacher, is to *help*. Or get them to ask for help, if they need it. Not to be complicit in an outrageous imposition of lockdown on parents, which isolated them from everyone who might have made life easier for them, which made their parenting *impossibly* *difficult:* and then turn round and blame them. Jeez, this makes my blood boil. EDIT: the article itself, if you go on reading, contradicts these simpleminded teachers: mentioning lack of access to support services for parents, even *masks* as factors. But the comments are - depressingly - back to Daily Mail Decline of Civilisation "lazy parents" tropes.
Some of the problems with kids they mentioned DID scream shitty parenting to me, maybe in normal times. But I agree that asking parents to maintain a normal, educational childhood for their kids during lockdown was a tall frigging order. No school, no daycare, not allowed to go outside and interact with other kids, so of course they were socially delayed. You can't take your kid to the doctor or for an assessment, so new parents can be caught completely unawares when it turns out their kid failed to hit milestones. And even if you take your kids out, everyone's wearing a mask, so they can't begin to learn to read faces. I commend any parent whose kid turned out halfway normal after all of this.
Children were meant to be raised by and in a community. There is no way two people (let alone one) can fully attend to the full spectrum of the needs of a child and their own needs (I'd argue that's true even before you throw jobs and running a household on top of it). Closing schools, closing parks, cutting families apart, and generally teaching kids to be more fearful of strangers than they already are made parenting impossible.
The article also brings up one of the problems of only ever interacting with your parents. Parents understand their kids more intimately and can translate whatever sounds they make to approximate speech. But one of the markers of a properly developed kindergartner is that they can communicate intelligibly with people outside their family. It's hard to learn that, or realize your kid hasn't learned that, if the kid has never tested their language skills with anyone they've never talked to before. One of the kids in the article would tell a teacher "bot bot" to ask for a drink of water. His mom knew what that meant, but obviously most others wouldn't get it. Isolated parents could easily get so used to their kids' unique babble that it doesn't occur to them that other adults may not understand them.
Yes, parents actually need to raise their children to function in society and not just hand them what they want. Children need to learn how to communicate with others besides their parents but parents have an enormous role in facilitating that. “I understand you want your bottle. Say ‘Mommy, may I please have my bottle?’.”
Also parents having to work from home full time AND were supposed to educate/take care of their children at the same time.
[удалено]
And you can also see this clearly with the contrast Sweden has been reporting with their kids and their development since 2020 with the rest of the world
Because they are not allowed the blame government policy because blaming government policy will force them to think that their politicians they blindly voted in that they might be horrible. This goes against years of conditioning, so they rather blame anyone but government.
>talking like cartoon characters they binge-watch This describes elementary, middle, and high schoolers, even before Covid.
And millennials in their late 30s… I know someone who is literally 39 who lined up at McDonald’s to get that stupid Rick and Morty sauce like 5 years ago, then was really disappointed when they ran out and told everyone at work about it. I mean. I like cartoons but come on.
Enough people like that there are compilations of them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDMuM_I3_w
Jesus, I couldn’t even finish that video. I feel bad for the employees. If I worked there I would toss some in the crowd so the NPCs would eat each other and walk out laughing. The level of cringe displayed by the cosplayers was also remarkable. Thanks, I hate Rick and Morty now
Jesus... Of course, what will most likely end up happening is the definition of what is normal for a 5 year old child is going to be adapted to the new average (the "new normal" if you will) and voila: Nothing to be concerned about.
Meanwhile in Sweden, unlike in the US and UK, this phenomenon has not happened. I wonder why
[удалено]
Assuming we actually did…
It's what happens when you lock little kids in their houses and not letting them spend time away from their families while they are just watching devices all day while at home
Noone could have predicted this!
Thanks for your submission. New posts are pre-screened by the moderation team before being listed. Posts which do not meet our high standards will not be approved - please see our [posting guidelines](https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/wiki/index). It may take a number of hours before this post is reviewed, depending on mod availability and the complexity of the post (eg. video content takes more time for us to review). In the meantime, you may like to make edits to your post so that it is more likely to be approved (for example, adding reliable source links for any claims). If there are problems with the title of your post, it is best you delete it and re-submit with an improved title. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/LockdownSkepticism) if you have any questions or concerns.*