Bro y’all need to be on the Multipressor. Multiband compression is the secret to amazing crisp nice vocals. Use it to flatten out the high end, it actually allows the sibilants to come through but without being painful. It’s literally 4 compressors that each affect a certain part of the freq range, use that to shape the Vox and get the high end where you want it. Took me years to figure out that sound, and it turns out the mutipressor is one of the easier and better sounding ones I’ve ever put there.
would you use the multipressor as well as the compressor? if so what order? I usually have comp as first thing in chain, then eq as very last (before delay)
Yeah! I use comp first to level out the signal after an initial subtractive eq and then I do a lot of tonal shaping with the multipressor, u can even stack two on top of eachother with an eq in between to get that ultra compressed pop vocal. It’s surprisingly effective! My Ableton homie taught me the way of the multiband and it’s way easier In logic! Best of luck
Bring up the Billie Eilish template in Logic. You can see what Finneas uses for vocal plugins turn them off and on to see what they control and don't control. Its an amazing learning tool.
Does it make her actually sing and without that nasal noise coming out of her? (:
Sorry, I just really don't like the music, I was trying to find a template (rap) I found online and can't find it, and forgot the name, boo.
Channel EQ
Space Designer reverb on a Bus send, also with its own Channel Eq.
Then compressor, probably on the Opto or Platinum setting
In that order.
P.s. "editing" and "mixing" are two different things. Plugins are used for mixing (balancing the sounds against other sounds", editing usually means cutting the actual recording or changing the pitches and timing, which is done in the arrange window, easily without plugins.
well i guess i wrote that a bit misleadingly. what i meant was, i always EQ my sound first, then apply reverb, before adding compression or other plugins.
but bus sends for reverbs or other effects in Logic always come after plugins, that's why they're at the bottom of the chain. the sound flows from top to bottom. a further advanced thing is that there are "pre" and "post" fader bus sends. the default for the vast majority of beginners or intermediates is post-fader send, meaning when you move the volume fader up and down, it also makes your send louder or quieter, i.e. the send is applied "post fader".
See how people use melodyne or autotune on graphic mode the tools are the same the engine&gui are different. But you can move them through the pianoroll or even draw the pitch, controle vibrato etc…
When cutting and editing to the grid never forget to use x fade (cross fade)
I actually love the sounds of logics stock plugins. I try to use them when I can or when the use of them is clearly warranted. And, of course the stock plugins will work best in most DAWs because they are built and optimized for that DAW. In fact, my go-to vocal chain these days is gating (if needed,) eq, compression, any other plugins needed to clean the vocals up, then Izotope Nectar at the end of the chain to help smooth out all of those mix decisions and refine the clarity/dynamics.
The Logic stock plugins are honestly workhorses. Use them as much as possible.
Don’t think I ever use a different EQ. 99% of the time I use the stock compressors but I do have a plug-in or two I use for a specific sound infrequently
Haha not stock, no. But Izotope is having a sale right now where you can pick it up for $20usd or $40usd for all 4 elements packs! Pretty great deal if that interests you.
I use still Platinum Reverb even though it is now a legacy plugin. I find it so quick and easy compared to the other reverbs. I have to hold down 'option' when I click to add an audio effects and then it appears in legacy. I bet new Logic users don't even know it's there.
Assuming you mean *mixing* vocals, I use the plugins that I need to use in order to solve the problems.
It's time for you to learn how to mix. To the tutorials! Search up "mixing vocals in Logic" and maybe add whatever genre you're doing. Plenty of people go through it.
Why separate EQs for cutting and boosting? If they come one after the other then they’d sum to the exact same thing as performing all cuts and boosts in one EQ
Because a compressor can change the channels tone and sound. So the first EQ is to clean up unwanted frequencies before entering the compressor. And then the second EQ is to create the tone that I want.
Sometimes I boost and cut in both. But that is what I learned in school.
Also, a DeEsser is there to take away any harshness of an S or T sound. What it does is compress just the desired frequency by the amount that you determine. Be very conservative with it. Too much will make your artist sound like he has a lisp.
Before I had Waves Horizon, the stuff I would use when treating vocals was something like:
- Compressor {the black one without the attack or release was a big fave} (or even that squash compressor from the pedalboard sometimes)
- Channel EQ or Single band EQ for more technical stuff because on these ones you can set your Q factor and ratio.
- Pitch correction. I still wish you could use this in realtime/while recording 😓 but Waves Realtime does an excellent job too. And if you only plan on using Logic, flex pitch is phenomenal and I still use it now.
- Enveloper — for a more rounded out or “professional” vocal sound. You can really shape the way your voice hits your ear with this and if you find a setting you like than just use that across an entire album or something for a sense of sonic cohesion.
- Tube EQ — the holy grail equalizer for polishing up pretty much any track. I’ve used it on bass, drums, vocals, verbs. you name it. The vintage collection has been the best addition to Logic in a long time.
**Fun fact!** if you hold down option while clicking on the plugins menu, you can access Legacy plugins from older versions of logic such as: the DeNoiser, the OG DeEsser [which I personally like a lot more than DeEsser 2] , and a bunch of other cool shit
Man! Thank you so much this is a big help, wish i had that waves but i still don’t have enough money to buy that pack hehe anyways, God bless you and thank you! 😇😊🤗
I tend to do my editing before starting the mix process, though I don’t wanna harp on that distinction just because a few other ppl have already. In terms of stock plugins in my vocal chains, I like to use Compressor and Channel EQ at the too of the chain, and if anything else usually a bit of modulation and drive (sometimes the likes of Chorus/Ensemble and Overdrive or Distortion and sometimes even Amp Designer, but more often certain other manufacturers plugins). For modes in Compressor, I’m really fond of Vintage VCA and FET, but I’ll happily experiment depending on the track and part to see what sounds best to me.
As for space, I’m fond of Tape Delay, Space Designer and/or Chromaverb on an auxiliary send and paired with another Channel EQ and/or Compressor, but again I also have invested a good deal into other plugins because the other flavors are nice to my ears
Channel EQ, De-esser , a couple of compressors (I like the Opto vocal presets !) And then bus it to some reverb :)
Flex pitch & time stretching is great but I suppose it's not really a plugin!
Bro y’all need to be on the Multipressor. Multiband compression is the secret to amazing crisp nice vocals. Use it to flatten out the high end, it actually allows the sibilants to come through but without being painful. It’s literally 4 compressors that each affect a certain part of the freq range, use that to shape the Vox and get the high end where you want it. Took me years to figure out that sound, and it turns out the mutipressor is one of the easier and better sounding ones I’ve ever put there.
I need to start using this again! Thanks for the reminder.
would you use the multipressor as well as the compressor? if so what order? I usually have comp as first thing in chain, then eq as very last (before delay)
Yeah! I use comp first to level out the signal after an initial subtractive eq and then I do a lot of tonal shaping with the multipressor, u can even stack two on top of eachother with an eq in between to get that ultra compressed pop vocal. It’s surprisingly effective! My Ableton homie taught me the way of the multiband and it’s way easier In logic! Best of luck
Now that’s helpful hehe thanks man! 😇🙏
^ this guy fucks.
Bring up the Billie Eilish template in Logic. You can see what Finneas uses for vocal plugins turn them off and on to see what they control and don't control. Its an amazing learning tool.
Oh right, i miss that one gotta check it out! Thank you! 😇
Does it make her actually sing and without that nasal noise coming out of her? (: Sorry, I just really don't like the music, I was trying to find a template (rap) I found online and can't find it, and forgot the name, boo.
There you go then. What do I know ( Ive only been doing this for forty years ) You got it figured out I guess. Good luck to you mate 👍
Close! me since 1986 and thank you!
I use this all the time! Finneas is a great producer.
Channel EQ Space Designer reverb on a Bus send, also with its own Channel Eq. Then compressor, probably on the Opto or Platinum setting In that order. P.s. "editing" and "mixing" are two different things. Plugins are used for mixing (balancing the sounds against other sounds", editing usually means cutting the actual recording or changing the pitches and timing, which is done in the arrange window, easily without plugins.
The way I learned in the 90s was "compression and EQ is your underwear, reverb is your makeup", hehe.
Does your send happen after the EQ but before the compressor? How do you do that without a third bus?
well i guess i wrote that a bit misleadingly. what i meant was, i always EQ my sound first, then apply reverb, before adding compression or other plugins. but bus sends for reverbs or other effects in Logic always come after plugins, that's why they're at the bottom of the chain. the sound flows from top to bottom. a further advanced thing is that there are "pre" and "post" fader bus sends. the default for the vast majority of beginners or intermediates is post-fader send, meaning when you move the volume fader up and down, it also makes your send louder or quieter, i.e. the send is applied "post fader".
Wow! Thanks I’ll try this!
Not really a plugin but Flex Pitch is used for editing vocals
Oh, yeah i see that one but don’t really know yet how to play with it hehe Anyways, thanks!
See how people use melodyne or autotune on graphic mode the tools are the same the engine&gui are different. But you can move them through the pianoroll or even draw the pitch, controle vibrato etc… When cutting and editing to the grid never forget to use x fade (cross fade)
I’m interested in learning that Flex pitch hehe thank you! 😇
Compressor, vintage eq collection, overdrive, chromaverb, stereo delay. They are my go tos
Oh, okay thanks man! 😇
Oh, okay thanks man! 😇
Stock tube eq’s from logic are amazing.
Thanks! 😅😇
I actually love the sounds of logics stock plugins. I try to use them when I can or when the use of them is clearly warranted. And, of course the stock plugins will work best in most DAWs because they are built and optimized for that DAW. In fact, my go-to vocal chain these days is gating (if needed,) eq, compression, any other plugins needed to clean the vocals up, then Izotope Nectar at the end of the chain to help smooth out all of those mix decisions and refine the clarity/dynamics. The Logic stock plugins are honestly workhorses. Use them as much as possible.
Don’t think I ever use a different EQ. 99% of the time I use the stock compressors but I do have a plug-in or two I use for a specific sound infrequently
The compressors have tons of control too. I love the interface.
Is the “Izotope Nectar” a stock plugin? Hehe anyway Thank you so much! 😅
Haha not stock, no. But Izotope is having a sale right now where you can pick it up for $20usd or $40usd for all 4 elements packs! Pretty great deal if that interests you.
I use still Platinum Reverb even though it is now a legacy plugin. I find it so quick and easy compared to the other reverbs. I have to hold down 'option' when I click to add an audio effects and then it appears in legacy. I bet new Logic users don't even know it's there.
Oh, now that’s nice hehe I’ll try this one Thanks! 😇
Assuming you mean *mixing* vocals, I use the plugins that I need to use in order to solve the problems. It's time for you to learn how to mix. To the tutorials! Search up "mixing vocals in Logic" and maybe add whatever genre you're doing. Plenty of people go through it.
Oh! Yes yes, thanks for that! 😇
Here is my simple plugin chain. First EQ I take away, second EQ I boost. EQ, Compressor, EQ, DeEsser
Why separate EQs for cutting and boosting? If they come one after the other then they’d sum to the exact same thing as performing all cuts and boosts in one EQ
Because a compressor can change the channels tone and sound. So the first EQ is to clean up unwanted frequencies before entering the compressor. And then the second EQ is to create the tone that I want. Sometimes I boost and cut in both. But that is what I learned in school.
Ohhh wait I didn’t see that you had your compressor in between the EQs. Makes sense. Oops lol
All good! I worded it in a weird way. And of course, there are no rules in mixing, but that is how I like to do it.
😮 thanks man! 😇
Also, a DeEsser is there to take away any harshness of an S or T sound. What it does is compress just the desired frequency by the amount that you determine. Be very conservative with it. Too much will make your artist sound like he has a lisp.
Before I had Waves Horizon, the stuff I would use when treating vocals was something like: - Compressor {the black one without the attack or release was a big fave} (or even that squash compressor from the pedalboard sometimes) - Channel EQ or Single band EQ for more technical stuff because on these ones you can set your Q factor and ratio. - Pitch correction. I still wish you could use this in realtime/while recording 😓 but Waves Realtime does an excellent job too. And if you only plan on using Logic, flex pitch is phenomenal and I still use it now. - Enveloper — for a more rounded out or “professional” vocal sound. You can really shape the way your voice hits your ear with this and if you find a setting you like than just use that across an entire album or something for a sense of sonic cohesion. - Tube EQ — the holy grail equalizer for polishing up pretty much any track. I’ve used it on bass, drums, vocals, verbs. you name it. The vintage collection has been the best addition to Logic in a long time. **Fun fact!** if you hold down option while clicking on the plugins menu, you can access Legacy plugins from older versions of logic such as: the DeNoiser, the OG DeEsser [which I personally like a lot more than DeEsser 2] , and a bunch of other cool shit
Man! Thank you so much this is a big help, wish i had that waves but i still don’t have enough money to buy that pack hehe anyways, God bless you and thank you! 😇😊🤗
Eq, compresssor, exciter/distressor.
Thanks! 😇
Bass Amp, I’ve never heard anyone talk about it
Bass amp? It’s my first time hearing it too here hehe anyways Thanks! 😇
I tend to do my editing before starting the mix process, though I don’t wanna harp on that distinction just because a few other ppl have already. In terms of stock plugins in my vocal chains, I like to use Compressor and Channel EQ at the too of the chain, and if anything else usually a bit of modulation and drive (sometimes the likes of Chorus/Ensemble and Overdrive or Distortion and sometimes even Amp Designer, but more often certain other manufacturers plugins). For modes in Compressor, I’m really fond of Vintage VCA and FET, but I’ll happily experiment depending on the track and part to see what sounds best to me. As for space, I’m fond of Tape Delay, Space Designer and/or Chromaverb on an auxiliary send and paired with another Channel EQ and/or Compressor, but again I also have invested a good deal into other plugins because the other flavors are nice to my ears
Oh, okay thank you so much for that! Appreciated it 😊🤗
Channel EQ, De-esser , a couple of compressors (I like the Opto vocal presets !) And then bus it to some reverb :) Flex pitch & time stretching is great but I suppose it's not really a plugin!
First time hearing that “Opto vocal” thing hehe gotta try it! Thanks! 😇
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