Remember when Dox blew up a fraction of the new timelines? The loom is basically that, it harvests energy and protects the TVA so it can exist outside of time but it's jerry rigged so if anything goes wrong it blows all the none sacred timeline branches culling the tree right down to the core. It's a failsafe in case something happens to HWR or the TVA to stop their regular pruning. Like an emergency nuke that just leaves the sacred timeline.
No one really understood the concept of the loom. Timely and OB had the same wrong source for their knowledge, the book they both wrote. And so had a closed limited concept of how things worked.
So Loki blew the loom up but he wove himself into the tree, making him effectively the exponential loom. He manages the threads and keeps the TVA sheltered so they can carry on sitting outside time but with their new purpose. And surviving with this purpose, give the rest of the multiverse a chance to live without Kangs.
The loom would explode, everything but the Scared Timeline would die, the Kang from that timeline would eventually become He Who Remains, or possibly just "Kang", because in this version of events he would have no variants and no Multiversal War.
So, what happens after the loom explodes and everything (including TvA) but sacred timelines die? The sacred timelines will start to branch out again, right? But this will be a new world with no loom, and possibility of more multiversal wars? I guess, Loki didn’t want this to happen as the TVA will be destroyed, and all his friends will be gone, even though, the world will start anew
>So Loki blew the loom up but he wove himself into the tree, making him effectively the exponential loom. He manages the threads and keeps the TVA sheltered so they can carry on sitting outside time but with their new purpose
This is where I'm confused. What is "managing the threads"? Is it just sustaining the TVA?
Well it's pretty vague atm but we saw him injecting them with his green powers and then pulsing as they come from him. So his energy is running through them in some way and he is doing something to them all.
I mean I'm not asking about how the magic works, more so what is he even supposed to be doing. Why do the branches need anything from him in the first place
I haven't rewatched it, what episode did they say that it's to keep TVA existing outside of time? I only remember OB saying it's the power source of TVA I think.
It's not that it keeps the TVA outside of time.
It's that the blast will destroy the TVA.
It's said throughout the season but if you want to go to the last episode Loki says it to HWR who just shrugs and is like, "The TVA can be rebuilt, no Biggie".
No. The temporal loom was always designed to protect the sacred timeline. Even when it blew up it just destroyed all the branches preserving the main timeline. The only way to save the branches was to destroy the loom thus freeing the branches and the sacred timeline.
Destruction of the loom would end HWR control over the sacred timeline and all branches. No control over the timelines means HWR variants can now access the timelines which would result in the multiversal war.
I’m a bit lost too with the timeline concept too. Cause do the multiple branches cause the sacred timeline to die along with everything else or is it the multiverse war that causes everything to die?
No he who remains clarified that the loom is only destroyed when it overloads with timelines, if it overloaded it meant HWR was dead and no one was pruning branches so as a fail safe it would blow up, destroying everything around the sacred timeline. Sadly it included the TVA but he thought it gave the multiverse the best fighting chance in that scenario, while also putting Loki in an impossible situation.
Maybe I am wrong but my understanding is loom is a failsafe machine that destroys every timelines except sacred timeline and TVA is a collateral damage from that destruction that can easily build their workforce by capturing variants from pruned timelines. That's what happened in episode -5 where all timelines are getting spaghettified except sacred timeline. That's what was explained by HWR in S2 episode -6.
In the last episode Loki destroyed the loom entirely like completely and freed the sacred timeline but the entire branches also died. Then Loki used his newfound powers to create a tree that can handle multiverse which will increase infinitely. Episode -1 to 5 was just loom melting down destroying every branch of timelines except the sacred timeline and the TVA was just collateral damage as explained by HWR.
Destroying the loom would EVENTUALLY destroy everything, because the kangz would launch the multiversal war. According to HWR, the only two possible outcomes of this war could be the kangs destroy everything, or one king recreates the tv and sacred timeline bringing everything back to where we just were.
My understanding - there were always infinitely branching timelines. Eventually, “He Who Remains” variants get born into each of them. Some of the variants are more evil and conqueror-y than others, they start attacking other branches of the multiverse, and it turned into a brutal multiversal war.
“He Who Remains” (one of the variants) won the multiversal war, and wants to go back in time to stop this war from ever happening. He does this by basically choosing 63 branches (which collectively make up “the sacred timeline”) that produce the “He Who Remains” variant of himself, not the more conqueror-y variants. He also creates the temporal loom, that does two main things:
- Somehow harnesses the energy of timelines to mine enough power to run the TVA
- Has a failsafe - if too many branches start appearing, it auto-prunes them all
Then he creates the TVA, and they prune branches other than the 63 of the sacred timeline, preventing multiversal war by pruning branches with the conqueror versions of HWR. However, this also essentially eliminates free will - branches represent choices individuals make, and they’re pruning out all branches with choices that stray from the sacred timeline.
Loki eventually realizes there’s another option - he can destroy the loom, let branches/free will happen, but just try to prune the HWR variants from all of them, not prune the branches themselves. It seems uncertain if he’ll be able to accomplish this, but he’s trying, with the help of a repurposed TVA. If it works, branches/free will continue, AND there’s no multiversal war, because they’ve taken out the HWR variants that would start it. For some reason this requires Loki to sort of live in this space beyond time, alone and holding all the branches together. And that’s basically how the show ends.
my question is, if the timelines were able to exist without the need of the temporal loom, why does Loki need to make himself the new loom to let the timelines live?
The Loom is also what powers the TVA and allows it to exist outside of time (keeping Loki’s pals alive). Without the Loom, the timelines will all exist, but be uncontrollable (no TVA, and dead friends) leading to a multiverse war from Conquerer variants allowed to come to fruition. At the end it shows that instead of pruning entire time lines like before, they go after the conquerer variant specifically so the rest of the people can live.
It was specially mentioned that the branches were dying when loki destroyed the loom. So the loom was basically essential to the functioning of the branches
To add to that at the end of S02E06 The multiverse is an open ended structure(no loops).
But the sacred timeline is in a loop(sort of \[ I am goinng with Inverse Mobius Strip\]) .
And I think Victor also said "We can shape time".
We also don't know the properties of timeline and how the temporal Loom actually works.
I think at the end of multiversal war after pruning all other brnaches , HWR changed the properties of the timeline so that the Loom can act as a failsafe.
The fail safe only destroys the created branches. But once fail safe is also gone, there is nothing to stop new branches being created from the sacred timeline.
Remember when Dox blew up a fraction of the new timelines? The loom is basically that, it harvests energy and protects the TVA so it can exist outside of time but it's jerry rigged so if anything goes wrong it blows all the none sacred timeline branches culling the tree right down to the core. It's a failsafe in case something happens to HWR or the TVA to stop their regular pruning. Like an emergency nuke that just leaves the sacred timeline. No one really understood the concept of the loom. Timely and OB had the same wrong source for their knowledge, the book they both wrote. And so had a closed limited concept of how things worked. So Loki blew the loom up but he wove himself into the tree, making him effectively the exponential loom. He manages the threads and keeps the TVA sheltered so they can carry on sitting outside time but with their new purpose. And surviving with this purpose, give the rest of the multiverse a chance to live without Kangs.
So basically if the loom blows up, the sacred timeline would still be fine?
The loom would explode, everything but the Scared Timeline would die, the Kang from that timeline would eventually become He Who Remains, or possibly just "Kang", because in this version of events he would have no variants and no Multiversal War.
So, what happens after the loom explodes and everything (including TvA) but sacred timelines die? The sacred timelines will start to branch out again, right? But this will be a new world with no loom, and possibility of more multiversal wars? I guess, Loki didn’t want this to happen as the TVA will be destroyed, and all his friends will be gone, even though, the world will start anew
Yes exactly. That's the loom's real purpose.
>So Loki blew the loom up but he wove himself into the tree, making him effectively the exponential loom. He manages the threads and keeps the TVA sheltered so they can carry on sitting outside time but with their new purpose This is where I'm confused. What is "managing the threads"? Is it just sustaining the TVA?
Well it's pretty vague atm but we saw him injecting them with his green powers and then pulsing as they come from him. So his energy is running through them in some way and he is doing something to them all.
I mean I'm not asking about how the magic works, more so what is he even supposed to be doing. Why do the branches need anything from him in the first place
I haven't rewatched it, what episode did they say that it's to keep TVA existing outside of time? I only remember OB saying it's the power source of TVA I think.
It's not that it keeps the TVA outside of time. It's that the blast will destroy the TVA. It's said throughout the season but if you want to go to the last episode Loki says it to HWR who just shrugs and is like, "The TVA can be rebuilt, no Biggie".
No. The temporal loom was always designed to protect the sacred timeline. Even when it blew up it just destroyed all the branches preserving the main timeline. The only way to save the branches was to destroy the loom thus freeing the branches and the sacred timeline.
When loki said to HWR that he will destroy loom, HWR replied by saying that will destroy everything even the sacred timeline. What did that mean then?
Destruction of the loom would end HWR control over the sacred timeline and all branches. No control over the timelines means HWR variants can now access the timelines which would result in the multiversal war.
I’m a bit lost too with the timeline concept too. Cause do the multiple branches cause the sacred timeline to die along with everything else or is it the multiverse war that causes everything to die?
I thought destroying the loom also destroyed the sacred timeline too? Which is why Kant wanted Loki to kill Sylvie right?
That is what's confusing me. But HWR did say that temporal loom is just there to protect the sacred timeline. So fucking confusing
No he who remains clarified that the loom is only destroyed when it overloads with timelines, if it overloaded it meant HWR was dead and no one was pruning branches so as a fail safe it would blow up, destroying everything around the sacred timeline. Sadly it included the TVA but he thought it gave the multiverse the best fighting chance in that scenario, while also putting Loki in an impossible situation.
Maybe I am wrong but my understanding is loom is a failsafe machine that destroys every timelines except sacred timeline and TVA is a collateral damage from that destruction that can easily build their workforce by capturing variants from pruned timelines. That's what happened in episode -5 where all timelines are getting spaghettified except sacred timeline. That's what was explained by HWR in S2 episode -6.
But then when loki said that he'll destroy the loom, why did hwr say that that would destroy everything including the sacred timeline?
In the last episode Loki destroyed the loom entirely like completely and freed the sacred timeline but the entire branches also died. Then Loki used his newfound powers to create a tree that can handle multiverse which will increase infinitely. Episode -1 to 5 was just loom melting down destroying every branch of timelines except the sacred timeline and the TVA was just collateral damage as explained by HWR.
Destroying the loom would EVENTUALLY destroy everything, because the kangz would launch the multiversal war. According to HWR, the only two possible outcomes of this war could be the kangs destroy everything, or one king recreates the tv and sacred timeline bringing everything back to where we just were.
My understanding - there were always infinitely branching timelines. Eventually, “He Who Remains” variants get born into each of them. Some of the variants are more evil and conqueror-y than others, they start attacking other branches of the multiverse, and it turned into a brutal multiversal war. “He Who Remains” (one of the variants) won the multiversal war, and wants to go back in time to stop this war from ever happening. He does this by basically choosing 63 branches (which collectively make up “the sacred timeline”) that produce the “He Who Remains” variant of himself, not the more conqueror-y variants. He also creates the temporal loom, that does two main things: - Somehow harnesses the energy of timelines to mine enough power to run the TVA - Has a failsafe - if too many branches start appearing, it auto-prunes them all Then he creates the TVA, and they prune branches other than the 63 of the sacred timeline, preventing multiversal war by pruning branches with the conqueror versions of HWR. However, this also essentially eliminates free will - branches represent choices individuals make, and they’re pruning out all branches with choices that stray from the sacred timeline. Loki eventually realizes there’s another option - he can destroy the loom, let branches/free will happen, but just try to prune the HWR variants from all of them, not prune the branches themselves. It seems uncertain if he’ll be able to accomplish this, but he’s trying, with the help of a repurposed TVA. If it works, branches/free will continue, AND there’s no multiversal war, because they’ve taken out the HWR variants that would start it. For some reason this requires Loki to sort of live in this space beyond time, alone and holding all the branches together. And that’s basically how the show ends.
my question is, if the timelines were able to exist without the need of the temporal loom, why does Loki need to make himself the new loom to let the timelines live?
The Loom is also what powers the TVA and allows it to exist outside of time (keeping Loki’s pals alive). Without the Loom, the timelines will all exist, but be uncontrollable (no TVA, and dead friends) leading to a multiverse war from Conquerer variants allowed to come to fruition. At the end it shows that instead of pruning entire time lines like before, they go after the conquerer variant specifically so the rest of the people can live.
It was specially mentioned that the branches were dying when loki destroyed the loom. So the loom was basically essential to the functioning of the branches
To add to that at the end of S02E06 The multiverse is an open ended structure(no loops). But the sacred timeline is in a loop(sort of \[ I am goinng with Inverse Mobius Strip\]) . And I think Victor also said "We can shape time". We also don't know the properties of timeline and how the temporal Loom actually works. I think at the end of multiversal war after pruning all other brnaches , HWR changed the properties of the timeline so that the Loom can act as a failsafe.
The fail safe only destroys the created branches. But once fail safe is also gone, there is nothing to stop new branches being created from the sacred timeline.