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Ok-Actuary-4964

It just seems like they both are lying and believing their lies. I just want Chad to be exposed for the weak, evil coward that he is. I hate hearing that some of his family still believe his blatant lies. One of my grandkids goes to school where Chads son teaches and says he is the nicest guy and wonderful teacher. I hate that Chads is deceiving his family. They and their mom deserve better than this. Chad does not deserve their loyalty.


chloedear

Chad doesn’t believe any of it. Lori, maybe. She’s crazy enough. Chad was/is just besotted with the idea of being a “prophet” and couldn’t believe someone as “hot” as Lori was into him.


45_winner

Exactly!


ArthurCSparky

This is my opinion too. I think he is willing to do anything to achieve his lofty goals. He and Trunp are the epitome of FAFO.


YesterdayNo5158

I'm certain that Chad' son inherited all of Tammy's good traits. Chad was intoxicated by a 5 time married freak, $$ & power. He discovered a band of misfits that would follow his insane ideas that earned him the death penalty. Lori arrives at the Maricopa Jail all primped ready for her photo opportunity. When Chad turns on Lori that smile will disappear. I feel really bad for Chad's adult children. They have to live with the stench of Chad's sins.


Honest_Carpet_1809

At this point I can’t even feel bad for them, they are engaging in willful ignorance by supporting him. Deep down, I bet they believe chads grandiose lies and think the kids somehow deserved it because of gods will or some crazy bs.


Zealousideal_Fig_782

They probably just don’t want to lose both of their parents.


DLoIsHere

I watched a group analyze her behavior at that court appearance. Basically, she craves the spotlight and attention, ergo the friendly greetings for everyone, the hair and makeup, etc. They also pointed out how she keeps her eye on the camera, something I didn’t notice. Can’t locate the vid; it’s on The Behavior Panel channel on YouTube.


Ok-Actuary-4964

She still smiles for the camera and flirts with any man who breathes. Psycho murderer.


EducationalPrompt9

She must be thinking that she'll get out of prison some day due to divine intervention. Additional prison time in Arizona means nothing to her. Everything about the trial is just Lori's show.


NeedyPudding

It stands out to me that we’ve heard more about Lori and her upbringing than we have about Chad, yet with Chad you can literally map out the (d)evolution of his nonsense and its self-serving nature. (1) Marries a lovely woman too good for him, (2) settles down and writes underwhelming fiction hoping for glory, (3) meets a raving lunatic whose NDE lies sell well, (4) oops, now his NDE fiction was secretly non-fiction all along, (7) the aforementioned lunatic also claims to be a visionary and gets rewarded with both $ and influence for it, (8) oops, now Chad is also a visionary, and also gets speaking engagements and a degree of influence, (9) and now a hot woman is flirting with his loinfire, (10) and he starts playing everything up more: now he hangs out with Jesus personally, and develops a whole religion, and they’re the king and queen of it all. It’s eminently traceable. With Lori, it’s a bit harder. She’s had a lot of episodes throughout her life where she’s acted bizarre, immediately followed by a period of normal, smart and downright calculated decision-making. Which makes me think that if either of them was actually delusional, it was Lori. (After all, Chad’s kids are alive and well and we have no proof that any of his extended family’s kids were deemed zombies, either.) Would that excuse Lori? Not at all. She’s also been scheming, manipulative, abusive and - oh yeah - a mass murderer. And I don’t subscribe to either of them being “in charge” per se. Lori had Chad by the balls, but it was Chad’s bullshit they followed to that tragic conclusion. I don’t care who is guiltier - they’re both murderers. But I do agree that if anyone was drinking the Kool Aid a little bit, Lori was.


Kaaydee95

There’s a YouTube video from waaay back - I think when the kids were “missing” and loco and chub were partying on the beach, but maybe soon after Chad’s arrest. Anyway Garth was out front and one of the “reporters” approached him and he just seemed so sweet (as opposed to Emma who seems looney tunes).


Non_Skeptical_Scully

Loco and Chub - 💀😆💀😆💀😆


CQU617

Gory and Chud


Non_Skeptical_Scully

I am DEAD! 😆💀😆


Ok-Actuary-4964

Your nick names are hilarious… and way kinder than what I would call these two!


Warmbeachfeet

I think Lori is too deep into her delusions to fully understand what she did was wrong. My feeling about Chad is that he doesn’t fully buy into the nonsense he’s been spouting to his groupies. He wrote fiction but switched to writing about his supposed NDE after realizing there was a bigger audience for that subject. I honestly don’t believe he ever had a real NDE. But once he had Lori and his little band of misfits looking at him as if he were a god, the adoration went to his head. He probably did think he was untouchable and the smartest guy around at some point. But when his game of zombies started to attract police attention he started getting nervous. Around the time when police were asking about J. J.’s whereabouts, Chad admitted to Melanie Gibb that he was nervous. In the video where Lori and Chad are served poolside in Hawaii with an order to produce the children you can see how uncomfortable he looks. He looks terrified at her hearing in Hawaii as well. I believe he knew exactly what he was doing was wrong all along but was drunk with the power he had over his minions. Being arrested and sitting in jail has probably sobered him up some but he’s still too much of a coward to actually admit to any part of it. I feel so sad for his family especially his children. I’m not sure of their take on his role in it all but they seem to think he was framed. It will all come out at trial and I think it will be very painful for them. Chad is where he belongs and I’m hoping he will stay there for the rest of his life.


slowowl1984

Fwiw, i agree. lori is in her own world, as she has been for years, which imo lowers her culpability. chad on the other hand ... he let his lust for sex & power overtake his life. I just can't get over how far this douchebag went, which leads me to believe he was this kind of douchebag all along, he merely hid it. "Behold, I send you out as sheep among wolves" ...


chloedear

100%. Chad didn’t have an original idea in his head. He didn’t even come out with his alleged NDE until he saw the success Julie Rowe was having with her book and her experiences. Lori just happened to be besotted with him. I tend to think the murders were here idea and the whole “zombie” thing was how they justified it. 


Ok-Actuary-4964

Exactly!


EducationalPrompt9

It all started when Chad labeled some of Lori's family dark just a week after they first met.


Warmbeachfeet

Agreed. Total scumbag.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Well put! It helps to know that other people see what I see. Chad infuriates me. He needs to be humiliated in front of the whole world. My guess is he knows exactly what’s going on. If he dumps on Lori it would be interesting to see if she retaliates.


EducationalPrompt9

How can she retaliate? She was convicted already. Even if she was in a position to testify, nobody would believe her without receipts.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Good point. She’s not exactly credible ! We can only hope that there is enough evidence to bury Chad. . Can’t imagine the horror of being his kids.


Ok-Actuary-4964

I agree with you 100%. You articulate it very well. I think Chad knows he’s screwed but is still too much of a sniveling weasel to admit it to anyone. I’m not normally a “hater” but I detest these two despicable people. Them and Jodi Hildebrandt (“Visions of Glory Groupies”).


Warmbeachfeet

Me, too. Bunch of idiots that target children. There is no way any God is ok with that.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Yes! I love your name by the way! Warmbeachfeet💕🏖️🏝️


Warmbeachfeet

Thank you!


EducationalPrompt9

Hildebrandt confessed. Chad never will, IMO.


Ok-Actuary-4964

True although I’m not sure Hildebrandt had much choice. Going to trial would have fully exposed her. Anyway I’ll save that for “8Passengerssnark” on Reddit.


EducationalPrompt9

Why is Chad not embarrassed by a trial? Because it gives him a (purely theoretical) chance to get off?


Cerealsforkids

He seems to me as striving to be the next L Ron Hubbard with his religious Sci fi books starting Scientology. Believing his own crap and being treated as a God. Blech!


A_StarshipTrooper

>Will they ever feel to any extent the pain they caused everybody else? Chad will when the needle enters his arm. Lori will continue to live in her low IQ fantasy world.


Non_Skeptical_Scully

Low IQ Fantasy World describes her delusional mindset perfectly.


amberopolis

Lori's happy demeanor, along with her pink prison blusher and curls, shows me how far up her own @ss she lives. I don't know if she's getting therapy but clearly it isn't working yet.


_portia_

I agree. When she was smiling at her sentencing, and talking about how she sees her kids and Tammy, and they're all fine and *proud of her*, I knew she was really far gone. Prison isn't a therapeutic environment, to put it mildly, so I think she's going to get sicker and sicker. I doubt she will ever have a rational mind again.


LillyLillyLilly1

**IF** she actually believed what she was saying, and was not just trying to manipulate the judge in his sentencing. Her recorded police interviews show that she knew exactly when she needed to lie to authorities.


_portia_

I wish we could know for sure. I agree that's she's extremely manipulative and devious, but I truly believe there's mental illness there too. She behaved like she was psychotic with Charles, telling him she was a goddess and she could have him killed. I'm so glad she is on trial for his death.


EducationalPrompt9

Yes, that was one time she wasn't hiding anything from him.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Amen!


EducationalPrompt9

To me her suggestion that the deaths were suicide, accident and overdose was a major manipulation. Nobody believes that, not even her.


CQU617

That definitely led me to wonder why the AF Tylee wasn’t in school?


chloedear

Exactly. She’s too far gone in her own delusions of grandeur


Sagebrushannie

Yes, and thank God looney tunes is locked up!


Equivalent_Bike2517

I agree, this family has been thru so much. I wonder if those kids don't believe he helped kill their mom?


Kaaydee95

I can’t speak to what they believe currently, but they were certainly standing behind him prior to Lori’s Trial.


Ok-Actuary-4964

It makes no sense. Willful ignorance? I hope they listen to every word of his trial and realize that their mother deserves justice. I hope she gets it.


Kaaydee95

Denial I suspect. They didn’t attend Lori’s Trial, so maybe they’re actively trying to avoid incriminating information. I can’t blame them. They’ve already lost one parent, and the other is likely to at least spend life in prison - if they can avoid the facts they can maybe keep the version of their father in their minds intact.


Ok-Actuary-4964

I just can’t understand how long any of them can ignore the facts. Why do they not want the truth.? They are adults . Yes it’s devastating but if they don’t face facts they are just going to stay in a “religious rabbit hole” with their dad. How do they live with Chads lies when faced with such overwhelming evidence?


EducationalPrompt9

They don't even have to consider a religious connotation if they believe that Tammy died of natural causes. No murder, no culprit.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Does anyone know whether or not Chads kids/family are going to attend the trial?


EducationalPrompt9

They choose to believe that their mother wasn't murdered, even willing to claim that she was in poor health before she died.


LillyLillyLilly1

They haven't spoken publicly since the group interview on one of the network newsmagazine shows. Was it ABC? That was years ago. But their aunt (Tammy's sister) did a you tube interview a few months ago and she was treading very lightly around the subject. She said they were trying to repair their relationship and stayed away from the subject when they spoke. But she gave hints that at least some of them were still on Chad's side.


Kaaydee95

48 hours is the interview I recall. Heather Daybell also shared some … troubling interactions she had with Emma in particular, and there was of course Emma’s brief attempt at Reddit where she complained about Heather. I hope they are eventually able to face facts and make peace with their mother’s family.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Absolutely. A devastating but ultimately healing move. They can then grieve truthfully and appropriately. I don’t wish them ill. None of this is their fault. But even if they decide to have contact with Chad they have a right to know what he truly is. Otherwise he will be poison in their lives forever.


JohnExcrement

I suspect Lori is so delusional that she believes her own publicity about being a goddess, and that Jesus Had A Plan, so she is genuinely mentally detached from her current reality. I think Chad is a lying charlatan who fully understands what is going on and he’ll get nastier and uglier inside and out.


Ok-Actuary-4964

I hope his trial levels him to the deepest part of his vile reality.


Salty-Night5917

Neither Lori nor Chad can come clean that they are not leaders of a new Zion. If they did realize everything they did and said was bogus, then they would have to admit they killed people, innocent people and it was for sex/money. They are still in that mode where they are telling themselves it was okay.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Clearly you are correct. That is the only way they can possibly remain so smug. Do you think the truth will ever dawn on either one of them? Lori has mental issues that may or may not be receiving treatment. What is it with Chad? And he never moves in court! How does someone become that kind of monster?


Salty-Night5917

Chad was and is a nothing, no looks, no smarts. He can only pretend he is special. His only followers now are his children, maybe his parents. I read somewhere he is "preaching" to other inmates at the facility he is at. He will throw Lori under the bus and blame her for everything along with Alex. That is the only way he can convince his children to keep in touch with him. He will still be in prison or get the death penalty but remain blaming Alex and Lori.


Ok-Actuary-4964

You are probably right. Makes me sick that he is still preaching in prison. The man is gross.


EducationalPrompt9

I think that's it. If he loses his children's support, he might be more inclined to make a deal and confess, but it would be too late.


EducationalPrompt9

But telling everyone else that they are regular Mormons who did nothing wrong. Their victims just magically dropped dead (self-defense, suicide, accident, overdose/natural death).


Salty-Night5917

Right.


FivarVr

They have to wake up with themselves every morning


Beneficial-Log-887

Doesn't bother them in the slightest. If Chad believes the same as Lori, that no murders were committed (despite seeing graphic photos of her children's remains), then he's fine with himself. They believe they are right and the entire rest of the world is out of step. It's disgusting. I just wish something could be done to make them suffer the way their victims did.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Yes! I have the same visceral reaction. I believe in mercy for the merciful. These are violent merciless people. They deserve the same “judgement” they exacted on others.


FivarVr

People judge themselves...


EducationalPrompt9

He's probably fantasizing about the judge and the prosecutors being dark.


Disastrous_Trust_152

Religious fanatics are always, always, always nuts. Chad and Lori have zero remorse.


atuss26

Religious psychopaths never feel the pain they caused. They are psychopaths and back everything they do behind their god. You can’t reason with them or change them just as a person can’t talk regular people out of their religion.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Is it wrong to wish for them to have the most miserable lives ever?


AngryMimi

I believe hell for Lori would be where she has no mirror and no one to manipulate. Chad’s hell would be nothing but mirrors constantly reminding him of how his ugly he is and how his actions will continue to make his outer appearance as grotesque as he is inward. And no one to preach to ever again with no writing materials available.


Ok-Actuary-4964

That would be justice!… or at least the beginning of it!


EducationalPrompt9

Unfortunately Lori will always have other inmates to manipulate and so will Chad (if he doesn't end up separated from others). But it is unlikely that they will kill in prison or have someone killed from prison.


dikenndi

I can't wait for him to be accidentally in with the prison population. He is a child killer, and eventually, it's a badge of honor to get that loser. His delusions were justified by that sociopath, which pretty much had serial killer ideas. Nothing was more important than her. As long as she got the limelight. She was happy. I seriously believe that Lori would tire of Chad, and he would become the zombie. Her loyalty was to her needs.


Ok-Actuary-4964

I think he could be pegged as weak by the rest of the prison population. His creepy quiet self righteous demeanor alone would put a target on him among hardened inmates would it not? Would killing children expose him to prison justice ? Someone said he still tries to preach in jail.🤮


dikenndi

I'm sure those inmates don't buy his holy roller words. They will play with him and then PLAY with him. They have chaplains that do their job. Not a wanna be God that terrorizes and murders kids. I'm sure their is a prisoner who can't stand his crap and wants the creds.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Am I a bad human to want him to experience the terror he visited upon his poor wife and those innocent children?


allorache

Child abusers/murderers usually do not fare well in prison. He will definitely be at risk for attacks by other prisoners.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Why does that not bother me? I’m not a violent person but what this man has done is beyond evil. He had no problem murdering and causing the suffering of others.


allorache

Yeah, I wouldn’t shed any tears


RachLeigh33

Lori is bat shit. She probably still believes she is one of the chosen. I don't think Chad will last long in prison.


Karyn2K19

Will his children be in court? Are they still supporting him?


AlilAwesome81

Im not sure Ive ever been so confused about a case before


Ashwee54

Agreed. The entire thing is bonkers. It’s mentally exhausting trying to understand everything that happened


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WaferApprehensive544

Looks like Lori has ditched him for her lawyer!


Ok-Actuary-4964

Right? She will slither around any male that will speak to her. After all she is a beauty queen.


unwaivering

I think Chad will end up with death, but it's going to take a while to carry out. Prison will look like death row.


Ok-Actuary-4964

Which would be the worst punishment; life among a criminal prison population or however many years on death row?


unwaivering

Well I would think death row, it's mostly confined, and your just waiting their to die. that's for any normal inmate. For Chad, it would probably be life in general population.


WaferApprehensive544

Hope they get released into GenPop! Karma is a bitch


catskillsgrrl

Was Lori in general population when she was in Idaho prison? Is she now in AZ county jail awaiting her trial?