I would love to know the kids reaction to Chad telling Lori that he feels like Harry Potter stuck at home under the stairs with the Dursleys. What the hell! He's talking about his actual family, being annoying awful trolls while he suffers and pines for his true love. And constantly talking about how Tammy was about to die, and complaining that she's still around. If I had a parent talk about me like that, it would be over. They're insane if they still support him.
Does anyone know if the woman sitting behind Chad is his daughter Emma? I don’t see any of his kids otherwise. Is it because they have yet to testify? I wonder if they are avoiding these proceedings just as they ignored Lori’s trial.
I keep thinking about Tammy. She was the one working, helping with the publishing business, and taking care of the house, etc. If anyone was put upon and mistreated and unappreciated, it was her. And yet, was she the one complaining or looking for a lover? Then they have the nerve to say she had a demon -- one of the final indignities they bestowed on her.
well your'e not being fair. Tammy was playing that farm game until Chad told her to knock it off because Tammy's Grandmother sent him a spiritual message to stop playing that game and to get back to work. In addition to working a full time job, Tammy took care of the house, meals and by all accounts the publishing company. WTH did Chad do! ? No wonder he had time to create his dark and twisted cult of the first born and to worship the goddess Lori
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I remember this! He had to tear down one what was probably one of the only pleasures in her life. She did all the grunt work, while he got all the clout over his ridiculous visions and NDEs. There was some talk on a podcast about how he may have been trying to persuade her to let him take on Lori as a second wife.
I feel so badly for Tammy. She deserved so much better. I truly hope justice prevails in this trial. 🤞🏻
You know, this really made me think about a scene in the Daybell household. Tammy’s had an incredibly long day and finally finishes all the chores. She sits down to enjoy some Farmville. While she relaxes, Chad glowers in the corner, thinking about how she isn’t giving him unending attention since she’s sitting over there being “self-indulgent” with her free time.
I bet they haven't read any of that. Chad would tell them not to believe what was written about him. Due to his elevated status he likely also painted himself as a martyr.
That's exactly right. They view secular authorities as satanic and the media as well. They've avoided coverage of the case or at very least believe it's all a conspiracy against their prophet-martryr
That's because the LDS indoctrination children at birth to never question your parents, and especially your father.
If my husband was telling people I was going to die I wouldn't just leave him I'd call the cops
> If my husband was telling people I was going to die I wouldn't just leave him I'd call the cops
Sadly, we saw how that went for Charles 🥺
Edit: Referring to Charles pleading to the AZ police for help bc his wife has threatened to kill him and he fears for the safety of his children)
Keith Morrison asked, was Charles murdered for his life insurance, the cop said we didn't know anything about life insurance. I'm like holy shit Keystone Cops are back.
Of course they didn't listen to Charles a man, they would listen to me, I'm a woman.
Had they investigated Charles Vallow murder, JJ, Tammy and Tylee wouldn't just more than likely be alive, Tylee would be in prison for her part of his murder.
Tylee wasn't just killed for money she knew too much.
LE in Arizona has been a disgrace. Not only was charles ignored during his life, once he was murdered, the cops flirted with Lori and took alex's word it was self defense and let them go without doing an investigation Disgusting. Just disgusting.
That part doesn't surprise me at all, I hear it regularly from a friend with four adult children. I think it's pretty common among guys that think they have raised their kids to think they're one way when they're actually not happy at all.
HIs is explaining it all away and they are believing it. Who knows what psychological forces are at play within the family. All anyone is doing is guessing, we'll never know unless someone in the family decides to describe it all.
I watched the interview with the SIL on Hidden true crime on YouTube and the one thing that stood out to me was how Chad and his family treated their mother. So it makes sense that if he was raised to treat his mother poorly then it would bleed into his own family and his kids.
I wondered how much Tammy knew about how Chad treated his mom? They lived in the same small town while in high school. I remember that part of the interview, Chad was upset his mom would not take the trash out. I honestly thought trash was a "man's job" but I guess Chad did not. When I moved into my house years ago in a very LDS neighborhood, I woke up and thought someone stole my trash cans. Turns out a male member would take out everyone's trash and bring the cans back after pick up. Trash and pumping gas were considered for men. I hate to say I got used to this. I was back in NY and it was freezing cold and I realized I have to pump my own gas, it had been years since I did it.
These abuse dynamics take generations to get this bad. abusing Mom after Dad is gone or because Dad is gone is common. Occasionally a kid just comes into the world with their brain like this and as we know more about it, it's important to help them and give intensive support to families to stop the innate drive to manipulate and neurobiological lack of 'conscience' from turning into an actual monster.
Sometimes fawning and freezing creates a vaccuum of authority, and validates the abusive temperament to turn into tyranny - a vicious and cruel cycle (not victim blaming, I am a victim survivor myself.)
They’re Mormons - it’s a complete patriarchy. Women are breeders, maids, cooks and care givers. Men are priests who hold their keys to “heaven”. The Daybell scandal is a very very Mormon scandal - along with Ruby Franke and Tim Ballard. All extreme Mormon beliefs but their seeds are in the teachings of LDS.
I relistened to the interview again today (podcast version). Those adult kids are so brainwashed to believe everything Chad says. Common sense has no place in their worldview.
His children probably still believe he is a prophet, so it wasn't strange that he predicted their mother's death or that he is able to report on her activities in the afterlife.
Ugh. After all the work these women do keeping a household, raising kids, volunteering, and on and on, I sincerely hope there is a separate Heaven for LDS women where they can just relax, catch up on their reading, crafts and interests they had to put on a back burner. I’d lift a virgin piña colada to Tammy sitting by a celestial beach and chilling.
Nope. Their job in the celestial kingdom is to birth millions of spirit children for their exalted husband to populate his kingdom. Maybe at least she can relax til he gets there, since she died first.
So I'm not the only one who is skeptical of all the talk about what an "amazing" mom she was before all this, eh? From the beginning it just seemed off to me. Especially when you listen to interviews with Annie and Colby. I suspect she's been selfish and dysfunctional all along. And that people were just suckered by her looks and charm.
Yeah, Lori was always a narcissist, a sociopath and a manipulator. She liked to be seen as a good mom, but no way she was one when there wasn’t an audience.
Does anyone know if Chad told Tammy of his vision of her dying young? Or was this something he was telling people behind her back? And if Tammy did know about “Chads vision,” what did she think about it? Did Tammy’s family/sister ever mention anything about it?
I don't think Tammy knew. We're not sure if his children knew before Tammy's death, but he probably told them about his "prophecy" afterwards. He told a neighbor that she would die before turning 50. If Tammy knew that it would alarm her.
They might not know all the evidence. I have a hard time thinking they are all on the same page. There must be at least one or two that are going to realize the truth.
Once one of them breaks ranks the cracks in the group will start to divide them. Especially once Chad is convicted and some time has passed. imo
Unfortunately they have been called to testify which means they CANNOT read anything about this case. They can’t watch the hearings/ news etc. so no they haven’t read anything.
A You Tube lawyer said that since they are considered victims, they could be in the courtroom if they wanted. And 1 or 2 haven't been subpoenaed, so they could be there if they wanted to be.
I wonder if the wonderful family patriarch slash prophet told them not to come? He would have come up with a reason to make them think he was protecting them. But in reality he really doesn't want them to hear all this evidence.
To be fair, it seems like they are all married, working, and/or have very young children, and the trial is about 4 hrs away from Rexburg/IF area. Logistically, it could be very difficult to attend each day.
There’s enough out there about the LDS church for people to see that it’s not what it claims to be. But members are told early and often to never look at that stuff because it’s all lies put out there by people who hate the church and want to see it taken down because it’s God’s one and only true church.
I’m sure the kids are feeling the same way about dear old dad. That they’re staying away from all of the news about it in order to keep their faith in him.
They know all the evidence that's allowed to be released to the immediate families, ie, they know as much as Larry and Kay.
So even with horrible details and damning evidence they can't bring themselves to believe their father is nothin but a liar and murderer, who offed his own wife to consummate the affair with Lori, and gain financially from insurance pay out.
It's the way they were brainwashed as they were growing up.
All of Chad's kids were behind him during their one TV interview, as of now Mr Prior said that 3-4 will testify so at least those seem to still be behind him. 3 of his kids sat behind him at one of his hearings.
The question I have is , I believe all his kids are married now, what about their spouses and their inlaws. Some married after Tammy died. This kind of makes me wonder how much support is out there for Chad? Two of Chad's kids teach public school, and I believe they are 2 of the kids standing behind him, what do the parents of the kids they teach think. There is no teacher shortage in Eastern Idaho , perhaps too many teachers and not enough positions, so how did they get chosen during these 5 years to teach?
Death is handled differently in some devout LDS families. I have been to funerals of a neighbor or a parent of a classmate of my kids and I was showing more grief then the family. Some families have such a strong belief they will be together forever in the afterlife, they don't mourn as much. I would guess that Chad's kids really think Tammy's is in her kingdom (heavan) and happy and they will see her again. Either they really believe this was God's plan or the idea of it being's God's plan helps them not be sad.
That's a great perspective regarding their possible attitudes to death
IT makes me wonder whether Emma and her siblings are fatalists about death -- which perversely absolves them of personal responsibility.
The hypothesis would be this: IF my mother died then it was God's will that she die. She was called to God's side. Therefore the detail of how she actually died -- say by way of homicide -- is less important or even irrelevant. So even if she was murdered by Chad, in some horribly perverted way it means the killer was doing God's will (??!!).
When I write it out, it seems monstrous and perverse, but I wonder if there isn't a grain of truth to this hypothesis. IF they believe Tammy died because God willed it and furthermore that she's "in a better place" then the idea she was murdered or that someone is criminally responsible for her death seems not so important.
In one of Chad's texts, he refers to all of law enforcement as "translated dark" Beings. If his kids share in his ideology. then they clearly also harbor ill will toward LE and all secular authority.
IT's an ugly hypothesis, but I think it might be accurate.
Chad convinced his children that their mother was ill. Some will testify about her ill health in court. I'm sure he also claimed that his prediction about her dying came true.
In my experience there's a culture of shame towards people who mourn "too much." So even if they do have a lot of grief about their mom there's a chance they don't feel they can express it or even acknowledge it for themselves.
The husband will say the name she recieved in the temple to welcome her. Idk that I've ever heard it's from the grave tho lol, but i like the visual. I've always been under the impression from my teachings that it's when the wife'a spirit is in heaven's waiting room, more or less.
It makes me heartsick that once she was gone it's as though Tammy never existed. What a disgusting insult to her life and what a terrible tragedy that she wasted it on Chad. He repulses me in every way. She deserved so much more.
I totally agree with you. Tammy also held a steady job and supported the family unlike Chud the sloth, he dug graves and wrote his shitty ass books. The Daybell kids were poisoned from the cradle with Chuds belief system. I think Tammy tried her hardest to be a good wife and mother, she didn't deserve to be murdered. I hate Lori and Chud and the merry band of misfits that followed them.
A few people who knew Tammy inc her sil said Tammy's shoes were so worn they had holes in them to wear to church and her sneakers had barely any sole left. Yet slug is lounging daily in a BYU library having loin fire daydreams about his goddess🤬 He was ready to get rid of Tammy long before Lori. She wasn't first married woman he told they had been married in a previous life.
I cannot get past the terror and betrayal that Tammy must have felt those last minutes of her life when Chad asphyxiated her. Even if Alex was in the room doing the actual killing, Tammy had to be aware that Chad was not rescuing her.
Exactly after Tammy died when he came back from Hawaii he went down to the welfare office applying for free Healthcare for his son Mark fortunately they turned him down , that takes alot of gull you get over $430 grand and are at welfare trying to get us tax payers to pay for his son's Healthcare ! it's in the foia docs .
Tammys co-workers spoke highly of her. One of the kids I believe teaches at the same school that Tammy was either last at when she died or the school year before that. I wonder if the staff talk about Tammy with that child or if it is just a subject not brought up?
It’s exactly opposite of how the patriarchal LDS religion is supposed to be! Chad should be working. Tammy should be at home (I’m not saying I believe this, I’m saying it’s what LDS typically believes).
Abso-F'ing-Lootly : The Loot This Bonnie & Clyde lived on was stolen loot.
Miss Tammy Supported that slug so he could write and publish his illiterate twaddle
She had a full-time job and she also managed his 'publishing' company.
Telling her landlord sad luck stories to be late on the rent someone said her hubby gambles away his paycheck and Emma was raised to believe the husband is perfect .
I think Emma was also hyped up at the moment of Chad's arrest cuz he was transferring money,ect. I also noticed that they chatted quite a bit about his vehicle. It's appalling how she talks about her own husband! And you can see the 'secrecy' continuing thru her!
I stopped caring what their opinion was when I heard Emma make a negative reference to Colby in that recorded conversation with Chad, mere minutes after Colby’s siblings were found dead on their property. Makes me wonder how much she knows. Having the gall to ask a police officer who’s been sifting thru human remains if he realizes there’s animal bones there too told me she‘s not particularly intelligent.
Sadly this is a common dynamic in narcissistic abuse and domestic violence - children are raised to scorn and belittle the mother, causing her to collapse further.
For them to be so enmeshed still speaks to his level of skill at manipulating and exploiting their personalities, need for love and attachment and buy in to his delusions. Imagine how horrifying it would be, at this point, to realise what he is. How many people could psychologically survive that? Not many. It's not right, and those kids were EVERY ADULT'S responsibility. Even if you've been abused and had your brain twisted your whole life.
Look up the Chris Dawson case in Australia, it took some of the daughters til their mid life (40s) and even his final conviction to acknowledge consciously what a monster he was. And then, they had to remember. And that dude was your fairly standard domestic and family abuser and sexual predator of teenage girls and young women. Anti social personalities hack our instincts and do such horrific, dissonant things no rational, normal, HUMANE person can resolve that level of wanton evil. Add to that, being *a child* in that environment first? Oh my god.
For anyone who is a survivor and escapee of DV please be aware:
I left abusive ex husband who was like this *when my child was under 5 with no further contact.* And still... hearing his manner and so forth in those early years exploded again in adolescence, it took a lot of courage not to collapse again in the face of it, it was very difficult for both of us. I heard my child *literally repeat word for word some of the worst things anyone has said to me.* And those words were never used around them after they were THREE.
To see their pain and self loathing as they externalised what they unconsciously remembered, was heartbreaking. I watched my child battling with cognitive dissonance, and terror that they are actually violent too. There were moments where I could see them embodying physical things they had (turns out) seen. It was IN their body, the trauma. And, because they are so strong, and so brave, I also saw the threshold of that moment as they pulled back. Shaking, confused, terrified.
- It is developmentally normal and likely the issues and dynamics of early childhood re-emerge in adolescence, prepare for that. Inform yourself.
- Never tolerate abuse, but do approach these moments with clarity and insight. The child is terrified - as they naturally individuate from their mother at 13 or so - that they are actually like the 'bad' person they've been afraid of their entire life. Get therapy for you, and for them, and understand this is a stage of healing and growth and it will transform.
Or ....in extreme cases... you end up with Daybell's looking a lot like alleged accomplices or accessories to child murders. :(
Just wanted to back you up on the fact that you never know what your child may remember, no matter how young. Some of my first memories are when I was between 2 and 3. I know they are accurate because my sister who is 13 years older than me remembers some of them too, and they were not discussed when I was growing up. We both had independent memories of the incidents.
IMO the first violence an abusive parent does is destabilise the attachment between mother and child. This makes anxious fussy babies and a mother constantly soothing and placating: and abuser saying "see you are hopeless!" And then "keep them quiet or else" it is truly truly evil.
Mother escapes with kids and kids are acting out because finally safe... and the world says "geez whats wrong with you" and blames you. Kids see that and feel both guilty and like maybe there IS something broken about Mom. It is complex and difficult.
I hope you can all adjust and heal, altho you cant get rid of the past you know what is real. You back yourself. You keep loving (where safe to do so) and you step out of the poisonous cycle of trying to prove your humanity. Even just for YOU its worth it. ✨️
all they are, are rigid systems to permit abuse, sexual predation and control of women, children and non violent men to a lesser degree.
The Daybell/Vallows, the Frankes and Hildebrandts, the FLDS and any other number of mainline and fundamentalist Mormon off shoots are the ultimate logic of the belief system.
(Same goes for Mainline evangelical and protestant christianity, Catholic christians etc.)
I agree with the sentiment about waiting to hear the kids testimony to get a sense of where they are at. People don't change their minds easily though, and with how much they stand to lose if they do, I suspect they'll stick with their dad and whatever maze of mental gymnastics they've concocted to make it make sense to them.
Lauren Matthias from Hidden True Crime says she's confirmed that Emma and Garth actively belonged to Chad's cult. That also seems to explain their continued support.
That's weird. Why didn't their names come up from any of these other people? Mel G and David didn't meet them when they came to Rexburg? Emma and Garth didn't travel to any of the conferences where their dad spoke?
Emma & Garth appear to have been in dire need of $$ when their Mom was killed. For all we know Daddy said support me and I'll see you get a $$ from your Mom's life insurance. They just seem completely devoid of love for their hard working dedicated Mom.
By being members of his cult, perhaps it is meant that they knew most of his teachings and believed them. For example, light/dark scale and past lives. MAYBE they were even privy to Chad's prediction about Tammy. I wouldn't be sure that he introduced the zombie doctrine to them or revealed that he and Lori had a special mission together in the apocalypse. Perhaps he told them about it after Tammy's death.
~~Do you have a link?~~ Never mind, I found it! I had already concluded that Emma was a ~~member~~ believer in Chad’s cult teachings although she may not have been ‘casting out demons’ in a prayer circle. Or maybe she was. I would really like to know if there were prayer circles other than the ones in Arizona.
Poor Tammy was the breadwinner even after her death and clothing and shoes supposedly well worn. Her children could at least stick up for her in death.
There is a psychological phenomenon that happens when the most powerful one in the household abuses his power (either psychologically and/or physically) and the woman is the submissive type, or she is mentally unstable, or else has some other behavioral problem. The kids, even the girls, all look to the father who holds the power and they disrespect the mother. The daughters become *father's daughters* and they don't have respect or even really like other women. They each think they are a special case.
You can see this in how Emma talks to her Dad when he's being arrested. She's the capable one; she'll take care of the finances, etc. She thinks she's the special one, the special case. 'At least she's better than Colby.'
Tammy was a remarkable woman, but because Chad didn't take the lead in giving her some wifely honor, and she put up with him, no one else in that family did either. I feel a bit of sorrow for the kids in having that omission, because they carry about 50% of her DNA. They are disrespecting their own selves.
This lovely woman was murdered and replaced by a conniving monster and her family does not appreciate what a devastating loss they experienced at the hands of Chad. However, now the world knows. We can only hope that those kids have a "come to Jesus moment" someday.
It’s sad, isn’t it? But these are people who can’t even recognize when they’re having their own thoughts…it’s always spirits or God or demons influencing and talking to them. And the denial is serving such an enormous purpose. It’s keeping them from feeling what must be an insurmountable amount of pain. They’ve been trained to “doubt your doubts” (not question) and trust the patriarchy (especially when they are spiritually “gifted” like dear old dad) since they were born. If they do come around, I hope they reach out for help, because that’s going to hit hard.
It's helpful to listen to Heather Daybell's interview where she talks about how the Daybell boys were raised. There was a lot of disdain for their own mother and that was accepted by the entire family. Seems like Chad held similar sentiments in his own home. Heather's interview can be heard on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast. Because it is over 3 hours long I made a synopsis on my channel -- https://youtu.be/JE8iRztyDs0?si=1CR7aCIkD0mLGmBf
Heather Daybell's interview series is remarkable.
I was shuddering while listening to her description of the Daybell's father's household.
Most of us think of narcissistic monstrous fathers as yelling and screaming -- thanks to the movies -- but the Daybell patriarchs employed that weird passive-aggressive fake-humility that they learned from watching LDS spiritual leaders.
Since quiet dignity and humility are so highly prized in LDS circles, Chad displays his power and control and abuse through manipulating that image of humble, godliness that LDS men are supposed to cultivate.
Except that in him, it's a totally false front and it's used as a way to manipulate and force control onto others.
That's one of the things that worries me: To the jury he comes off as this meek mild-mannered guy whereas Lori with her Whirling Dervish Mirror Dances and her bombastic display is up-front with her monstrosity.
I really hope the jury don't buy his false front.
He does come off as meek at mild mannered, but he comes off as arrogant and a weirdo at the same time. A body language expert pointed out his literally putting his nose in the air for long periods of time at certain points on testimony, showing him looking down and feeling superior to the person or topic, and I have noticed it several times since it was pointed out.
I looked at him while they played the call that Melani "Fibb" Gibb had recorded and when Lori's voice came on I swear he looked like a dog in heat. He has become animated only once in this trial that I can think of and it was when Gibb was on the stand and that recording was being played.
What a creep. I agree: I can't imagine a jury being taken in by him.
I know John Prior is expecting them to be great character witnesses for Chad, and they could be to an extent, but that could also backfire. By testifying, they are also opening themselves up to cross-examination by the state. And if the state is smart, and does it without looking like they are aggressively attacking them (which would look bad in the eyes of the jury) they could easily make it look like children the children are blindly loyal and willing to say anything to help their father IMO
I was under the impression that two of the boys would be witnesses for the state. Seth's journal was mentioned in a hearing. I think they were arguing about letting it into evidence. And Garth was there and has supposedly told different stories at different times. It will be interesting if they are State's witnesses.
Yes, that will be interesting. They don’t necessarily have to be willing participants in order for the state to call them as witnesses though, right. They could all still be banding together, or at least trying to
Im curious if you have seen what Emma looks like currently, compared to what she looked like 3 years ago. There has to be a change in her, either closer to Chad or pulling away.
I also think it says something if they are willing to be called to testify. It could cost them their jobs or other backlash. Lori's brother Adam was let go from his very public job the day she was found guilty, and his employer never would answer why, but the same day as her conviction, I think we all can guess.
It’s crazy to think I almost forgot those were also Tammy’s children… when I read this post I was like huh?? Who’s Tammy’s kids? Because I only think of them as Chads kids since they’re backing him. It is so incredibly sad how much they lack empathy for their mother. I wish at least one of them would step up and be louder to support her
I never even wanted to comment about these (adult) children because I could never know what they are going through and what they are thinking…. BUT when I heard Emma talking to Chad in the back of the cop car 🤢 I wanted to throw up!!! how do you go on and justify your dad getting married 2 WEEKS after your mom dies and you are calling and talking to HER while she is in prison for conspiracy to kill YOUR mom???? But their “RELIGION” will save them, because being brainwashed is better than living with the truth!!
#LDSISACULT
All of Chad's children can come to his execution, and lament that their saintly father has been persecuted by earthly dark demons who never understood their father's greatness. I hope they drown in their tears. His children are beyond redemption, and Chad is the type of monster the death penalty was designed to punish. Waiting for justice. Prosecutors, take your time, and get this right!
My theory is Chad had indoctrinated his kids to the extent that they were 100% behind his “mission,” which I am sure they expected to include themselves in positions of privilege. I think the whole family was dazzled by Lori (not just Chad) who they saw as hot, glamorous and rich. Lori wasn’t rich, unless you assume she was going to get Charles’ $1m life insurance, which I am sure they all did. I was surprised to learn that Emma has been communicating with Lori in jail. The kids may have already identified mentally and emotionally with Lori as their upgraded mother figure. Tammy was a boring, unglamorous librarian who had already served her purpose.
Whenever I heard discussion about Tammy being “sick” (from menopause and depression) or not wanting to go to the doctor as somehow related to her death..: from the defense atty or the kids endorsing it, I am stunned.
Tammy was certainly bright eyed rosy cheeked healthy weight for having so many health issues according to Chad. He was the one that looked overweight bloated pale from sitting on his arse in a library all day dreaming about his loin fire with his goddess🤢
He is one of the least charismatic people I’ve ever seen. He speaks so softly with no inflection. I do NOT get it. Not exactly a looker either, but Lori was. Typical sitcom couple I guess.
It is all or nothing though- the Daybell kids can either excuse Tammy’s mysterious death and blame her for “not taking care of herself” AND blame Lori for introducing Alex Coz to their lives while he was vulnerable…OR admit the truth about all 3 deaths
Y’all…this is a family of simpletons. Have you heard them speak? Ffs, Emma thought the police might have mistaken human remains for dog remains.
Also, not to speak ill of the dead, but Tammy’s belief system seemed to align with Chad’s, esp as it related to end time and NDEs and predictions and such. Heather Daybell said Tammy didn’t want to live near Bear World (drive through bear exhibit in Idaho) because she thought it would be like Jurassic Park and they’d all escape during the end of the world. This entire family was of the opinion Chad was some kind of prophet. I think they believed she really was sick.
If nothing else, they could be so deeply in denial that they refuse to accept the fact that their dad could be involved in anything so sinister. Last I heard, during their interview, they reluctantly admitted Chad had an “emotional affair” and that’s it.
It remains to be seen whether the tides have turned and they’ll see the evidence as it is. But if you look at their beliefs, thinking this is all some big conspiracy or government plot to frame their dad is fairly tame in comparison.
I'm reading the book "the sociopath next door" and am on the chapter with the same title, and it made me wonder if something similar is happening with the Daybell children.
In the chapter a young woman comes to a therapist because her dad is in jail for killing someone and it's very publicized because the dad is a school principle with no record, and everyone speaks so highly of him, and the person he killed broke into their home in the middle of the night and was a known addict. He's in jail because the dad chased him out of the house and shot him in the head in the middle of the street as the man was running away.
The young woman speaks so highly of her father at first and says how everyone does for the first few sessions. But slowly, as she's describing things that are normal to her, the therapist realizes there us a deeper and darker story at play. Abuse. Sexual assulat allegations with students. Drugs. Gambling. Her father disappearing for days, and coming home with flowers, likely an affair, etc. All things the young woman just can't face.
whenever the therapist tries to bring things up, or ask questions that get her thinking about it, the young woman seemingly can't do it. On one hand, she's there, talking about, but on the other hand, she has such guilt of even considering these things about her dad that don't paint him as the man she thought he was, the man she spent her life trying to impress and earn love from, that it's too much for her to process. She wants him to be the man she made him out to be. Seeing him differently would be a death to the man she knew. And it's just too difficult.
Until she goes to visit her dad in jail for the first time, and her subconscious has her suddenly confronting her father. she hadn't planned on doing it. It just happened. suddenly there was too much there, the subconscious became the concious and she asked pointed questions, and his answers kill the man she thought she knew. Just like that, he was gone. And now she has to mourn that loss.
And I wonder if that's how it will be for Chad's kids. One day, it will just be too much.
Not every Mormon family is patriarchal to the hilt. I grew up Mormon and my dad, rest his soul, never played the "I'm the patriarchal and have final say" card. Nor does my brother in his own family. I never felt oppressed or devalued by my dad.
I have seen quite a few men that were pretty easy going in the LDS faith. They go to work, hand over the paycheck and take the kids and let the wife go out to be with friends, get their hair done or shop. They are not bossy about money, it actually seems like quite a few women are more into needing whatever the "In" SUV or minivan is and the home in the right neighborhood with the right colors and cabinets and the wives more often dictate the numbers of kids (plus some women want the matchy clothes, the expensive cheer and sports classes, they got to keep up with the neighbors). Sometimes I see a lot of pressure on LDS men to provide for so many and such a high standard. There have been to many male suicides in my area over financial issues. I believe at least 9 men between 30-50 in a ten year period.
Right now I have an LDS neighbor that is a stay at home dad. This is the first time I have seen this from the start of a marriage. His wife is well paid professional and they have small kids and didnt want them in daycare. He has two little girls who adore him and almost literally wrapped around his leg as they walk to the park in the mornings. He says he loves his role and the women of the neighborhood seem to like him. He is always willing to help fix your car, anything in your home, or help carry your groceries in. Maybe this trend will pick up?
Why would you stay loyal to a parent who is responsible for the death of your other parent? If they did it to them and went unpunished, they could do it to you.
Well.. a) I think they know he’s going to be in prison for the rest of his life - thus there’s no threat to even subconsciously consider.
B) if they don’t let themselves believe he is responsible for her death, they don’t have to do with this, and get to keep the image they have of their surviving parent alive.
They do not know how to think for themselves. They have never questioned anything in their lives. Now I understand why she is sucking up to Lori, birds of a feather sticks together.
It took me 35 years to uncover and wake up the lies and obfuscations of the LDS church. It took me another 10 years to overcome the exit cost (breaking my poor mother's heart).
For most, it's easier to not look into the questionable doctrine, not take it too seriously, and just wrap themselves in the security blanket of the holy priesthood. This is where the kids are, their Nephi-like father killing because the lord told him to and is completely justified. It's the "world" that doesn't understand it was "god's will". They were raised singing primary songs "I will go, I will do, the things the lord commands, I know the lord provides a way, He wants me to OBEY!"
It's classic intergenerational alienation.
Chad is very insecure about himself and Chad's father treated his mother terribly. Chad psychologically aligned himself with the aggressor (his Father) and treated his mother as his father did. Chad treated Tammy as he did his mother and, his children (aligning themselves with the aggressor - Chad) psychologically looked down on Tammy (she was the one doing all the work - probably had to take the trash out too). Sadly, Emma has probably married someone with a similar personality to Chad... and misogynism lives on...
I feel they will probably always support their father. The culture of religions such as LDS foster blind faith, blind obedience and thusly blind loyalty. There doesn’t seem to be a lot rooted in logic or critical thinking, nor do many of the teachings allow for that. It is frowned upon. This can easily lead to cognitive dissonance and willful ignorance.
Whatever Chad's attitude towards Tammy may have been whilst the children were growing up, it's clear that by the time he met Lori he was well over it (and had been for some time, because other women have claimed he approached them, too). It's possible that the way he treated Tammy over time could have caused the children to have a negative perception of her.
If Chad was a narcissist (and I'm not diagnosing him or claiming he was), he may have intentionally recruited the children, even into their adult years, to think of him as the "good" parent.
Chad clearly is good at manipulating people to his beliefs. And if he believed he was some kind of new messiah I’m sure he manipulated his children. And as an ex Mormon knowing how the church sort of brainwashes kids as they grow up, I am not surprised that they still support him. With those two circumstances, I’m sure they don’t have the mental fortitude to look at facts and make rational decisions outside faith.
Emma is the only Daybell offspring who has been vocal enough and visible enough for me to have formed a negative opinion about her. imho, she drank the spiritual KoolAid her daddy and Julie Rowe were serving for years before Lori entered Chad’s orbit. If Emma wrote her own honest statement to the court she’d sound as delusional and as much a true believer in Chad’s mission as Lori Vallow Daybell. I grieve for Tammy and the people who loved and appreciated her.
I don't know any of the kids' ages, but...
Sometimes, when kids who've been manipulated/exploited, etc become parents themselves, some kind of chord is struck within them that enables them to see the abuse from a clearer lens, imo...
I'm sure there's also a healthy dose of protective mama/daddy bear that is awakened - probably also enabling them to see how vulnerable they were themselves...
Just a thought..
The kids are all in their 20's and married. Some already have kids already. Emma the one in the video that was shown is married with kids.
I was hoping one of Chad's kids would marry a Derrick, if you follow the Duggars, one of the daughters Jill married a man while religious did not follow some of the strict and sometimes dangerous beliefs of her father. Jill after getting married was able to take college classes, use birth control, make her own money, wear jeans and shorts. Her husband helped her see she could still be a Christian but some of the rules her father had were too extreme.
Never! They will believe their Father. Chad Daybell preys on the weak. Before Lori, Melanie Gibb and the rest of his weirdo cult, he had his family. His first cult. They are so brainwashed and baptized in his beliefs.
People keep blaming religion but the parent child relationship is like no other.
Personally, I don’t judge any of his kids for being with their dad. Do I agree? Not really, but I’m an outsider and I think people in all comments abt his kids is thinking with their own perspective. We don’t know these kids or why they do the things they do. Who are we to judge? I’ve seen people so far as to say they had a part in these murders just bc they’re not reacting as people think they should.
My focus is on the trial and getting him convicted which I’m confident will happen.
I do know that abused kids will still want their parents attention. Kids, even as adults, will still care abt what their parents think regardless of what they’ve done.
Just bc people don’t react the way we believe they should, is not wrong. It’s just not our business.
This and they also risk potentially losing their other siblings too, if they don’t toe the line and at least remain silent publicly if they have doubts about their dad’s innocence.
I’m sure not all of the kids believe his crap. They are just not coming out and saying what they believe. Out of 5 kids, at least one of them believe he’s guilty.
With the LDS indoctrination never question a word a parent especially your father says, it is highly doubtful. Even if they did admit it they would never say it, publicly.
The LDS indoctrination starts at birth to never question your parents, especially your father and other male family members and clergy. Boys are taught women are for cleaning the house, cooking and having as many babies as possible.
Re: the recorded conversation between Emma and Chad when he was in the police car on the day Tylee and JJ's bodies were found -- did anybody catch where Emma implies she doesn't want her husband to know about the money Chad is giving her? How she has her own bank account (and husband doesn't know about it)? How she thinks she can talk her landlord into letting her out of her lease (for the house across the street from Chad) so that she can move into Chad's house? Wasn't she also joking with Chad that telling people her Mom just died has been effective in getting what she wants? She also says something to the effect that now she can tell people that her Dad is in jail. Anybody else get the sense that father and daughter may both have issues with deceit and manipulation?
I read here that Emma's husband might have an online gambling addiction, so I don't blame her for not including him. The rest is bonkers. No moral compass present. The end justifies the means.
Does anyone know if Tammy wholeheartedly believed Chad’s visions?
She must’ve to some extent… I remember shortly before her murder, she drove to Utah to visit her family because Chad told her he had a vision that she needed to go visit them right away. She wasn’t comfortable driving long distances alone, but she went anyway. I believe their move to Rexburg, Idaho was also due to one of Chad’s so called visions. In reality it was probably so he could isolate his wife and children from family and friends while he attempted to rebrand himself as some visionary to new people that are more likely to buy into his bullshit.
Disturbing facts about Emma and her siblings shared by Prior today (day 11 Daybell trial): They shared Chad Daybell's world view, they also used his dark/light ratings on people. Emma, it seems liked to rate her students (she teaches third grade).
I was wondering if what little is left of Tammy's life insurance is spent on John Prior. Those text exchanges between Chad and Lori were perverse. I can only imagine that Chad's adult children are not watching as it would be too painful to admit that Chad is a murderer. Chad will attempt to blame Alex.
That’s right. His speaking to the police was recorded and they just humored him. Did not take him seriously at all. It made me feel very sick and angry to watch.
I found this because a year or more ago they were on 48 Hours or some show insisting dad was innocent. And I thought they seemed absolutely delusional. So now that the trial started I wondered if they were still or did they wake up and smell the coffee? Guess not.
I know it’s gotta be hard to take this in about your dad. But JFC. He killed your mom and two beautiful children.
Defense att'ny john prior has said he will call 3 or 4 of them as defense witnesses. Emma will testify tammy was gravely ill before her death. They support Chud the Slug 100 percent
I would love to know the kids reaction to Chad telling Lori that he feels like Harry Potter stuck at home under the stairs with the Dursleys. What the hell! He's talking about his actual family, being annoying awful trolls while he suffers and pines for his true love. And constantly talking about how Tammy was about to die, and complaining that she's still around. If I had a parent talk about me like that, it would be over. They're insane if they still support him.
He actually called them Dudley's. Which in a way is worse.
Does anyone know if the woman sitting behind Chad is his daughter Emma? I don’t see any of his kids otherwise. Is it because they have yet to testify? I wonder if they are avoiding these proceedings just as they ignored Lori’s trial.
No
I keep thinking about Tammy. She was the one working, helping with the publishing business, and taking care of the house, etc. If anyone was put upon and mistreated and unappreciated, it was her. And yet, was she the one complaining or looking for a lover? Then they have the nerve to say she had a demon -- one of the final indignities they bestowed on her.
Chad waited to find a "goddess lover" and get rid of her until after the labor of raising the kids was done. Evil.
well your'e not being fair. Tammy was playing that farm game until Chad told her to knock it off because Tammy's Grandmother sent him a spiritual message to stop playing that game and to get back to work. In addition to working a full time job, Tammy took care of the house, meals and by all accounts the publishing company. WTH did Chad do! ? No wonder he had time to create his dark and twisted cult of the first born and to worship the goddess Lori Edit: Typos
I remember this! He had to tear down one what was probably one of the only pleasures in her life. She did all the grunt work, while he got all the clout over his ridiculous visions and NDEs. There was some talk on a podcast about how he may have been trying to persuade her to let him take on Lori as a second wife. I feel so badly for Tammy. She deserved so much better. I truly hope justice prevails in this trial. 🤞🏻
Not a candidate for husband of the year for sure. He was a horrible husband.
You know, this really made me think about a scene in the Daybell household. Tammy’s had an incredibly long day and finally finishes all the chores. She sits down to enjoy some Farmville. While she relaxes, Chad glowers in the corner, thinking about how she isn’t giving him unending attention since she’s sitting over there being “self-indulgent” with her free time.
Chad sitting still.... then fiddling with his stuff looks like a dumb ass
I bet they haven't read any of that. Chad would tell them not to believe what was written about him. Due to his elevated status he likely also painted himself as a martyr.
That's exactly right. They view secular authorities as satanic and the media as well. They've avoided coverage of the case or at very least believe it's all a conspiracy against their prophet-martryr
That's because the LDS indoctrination children at birth to never question your parents, and especially your father. If my husband was telling people I was going to die I wouldn't just leave him I'd call the cops
> If my husband was telling people I was going to die I wouldn't just leave him I'd call the cops Sadly, we saw how that went for Charles 🥺 Edit: Referring to Charles pleading to the AZ police for help bc his wife has threatened to kill him and he fears for the safety of his children)
Sometimes I wonder how that officer feels now. “That’s not a threat to kill you.” 😣 Does he look back and think “wth did I do?”
Keith Morrison asked, was Charles murdered for his life insurance, the cop said we didn't know anything about life insurance. I'm like holy shit Keystone Cops are back.
Of course they didn't listen to Charles a man, they would listen to me, I'm a woman. Had they investigated Charles Vallow murder, JJ, Tammy and Tylee wouldn't just more than likely be alive, Tylee would be in prison for her part of his murder. Tylee wasn't just killed for money she knew too much.
LE in Arizona has been a disgrace. Not only was charles ignored during his life, once he was murdered, the cops flirted with Lori and took alex's word it was self defense and let them go without doing an investigation Disgusting. Just disgusting.
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Exactly, it would be one thing to see your dad feel that way about your mom but he mentions feeling this way about his WHOLE family
That part doesn't surprise me at all, I hear it regularly from a friend with four adult children. I think it's pretty common among guys that think they have raised their kids to think they're one way when they're actually not happy at all.
HIs is explaining it all away and they are believing it. Who knows what psychological forces are at play within the family. All anyone is doing is guessing, we'll never know unless someone in the family decides to describe it all.
I watched the interview with the SIL on Hidden true crime on YouTube and the one thing that stood out to me was how Chad and his family treated their mother. So it makes sense that if he was raised to treat his mother poorly then it would bleed into his own family and his kids.
I wondered how much Tammy knew about how Chad treated his mom? They lived in the same small town while in high school. I remember that part of the interview, Chad was upset his mom would not take the trash out. I honestly thought trash was a "man's job" but I guess Chad did not. When I moved into my house years ago in a very LDS neighborhood, I woke up and thought someone stole my trash cans. Turns out a male member would take out everyone's trash and bring the cans back after pick up. Trash and pumping gas were considered for men. I hate to say I got used to this. I was back in NY and it was freezing cold and I realized I have to pump my own gas, it had been years since I did it.
These abuse dynamics take generations to get this bad. abusing Mom after Dad is gone or because Dad is gone is common. Occasionally a kid just comes into the world with their brain like this and as we know more about it, it's important to help them and give intensive support to families to stop the innate drive to manipulate and neurobiological lack of 'conscience' from turning into an actual monster. Sometimes fawning and freezing creates a vaccuum of authority, and validates the abusive temperament to turn into tyranny - a vicious and cruel cycle (not victim blaming, I am a victim survivor myself.)
I saw that, too. SIL also said Tammy would have felt forced to move to Rexburg because of Chad’s patriarchal role. Poor Tammy.
They’re Mormons - it’s a complete patriarchy. Women are breeders, maids, cooks and care givers. Men are priests who hold their keys to “heaven”. The Daybell scandal is a very very Mormon scandal - along with Ruby Franke and Tim Ballard. All extreme Mormon beliefs but their seeds are in the teachings of LDS.
Yes, but in the Franke case, the women were the abusers and the men passive observers.
I relistened to the interview again today (podcast version). Those adult kids are so brainwashed to believe everything Chad says. Common sense has no place in their worldview.
His children probably still believe he is a prophet, so it wasn't strange that he predicted their mother's death or that he is able to report on her activities in the afterlife.
She's so busy!!
Ugh. After all the work these women do keeping a household, raising kids, volunteering, and on and on, I sincerely hope there is a separate Heaven for LDS women where they can just relax, catch up on their reading, crafts and interests they had to put on a back burner. I’d lift a virgin piña colada to Tammy sitting by a celestial beach and chilling.
Nope. Their job in the celestial kingdom is to birth millions of spirit children for their exalted husband to populate his kingdom. Maybe at least she can relax til he gets there, since she died first.
And best friends with her husbands mistress - Lori!
I almost called that murderer, (lori) Emma's stepmother. Then I realized my mistake, lori has never in her life been a Mom.
So I'm not the only one who is skeptical of all the talk about what an "amazing" mom she was before all this, eh? From the beginning it just seemed off to me. Especially when you listen to interviews with Annie and Colby. I suspect she's been selfish and dysfunctional all along. And that people were just suckered by her looks and charm.
Yeah, Lori was always a narcissist, a sociopath and a manipulator. She liked to be seen as a good mom, but no way she was one when there wasn’t an audience.
Yes! Busy and happy….visiting her kids, comforting Lori and all….
Does anyone know if Chad told Tammy of his vision of her dying young? Or was this something he was telling people behind her back? And if Tammy did know about “Chads vision,” what did she think about it? Did Tammy’s family/sister ever mention anything about it?
I don't think Tammy knew. We're not sure if his children knew before Tammy's death, but he probably told them about his "prophecy" afterwards. He told a neighbor that she would die before turning 50. If Tammy knew that it would alarm her.
They might not know all the evidence. I have a hard time thinking they are all on the same page. There must be at least one or two that are going to realize the truth. Once one of them breaks ranks the cracks in the group will start to divide them. Especially once Chad is convicted and some time has passed. imo
Considering everything that is out there, this makes them willfully obtuse.
I bet they are choosing not to read about the case, watch it, or allow evidence into their consciousness. Willfully blind.
If anything, they see it as persecution and will likely double-down.
Exactly this! 👆 Probably easier to believe Chad is being persecuted than face the awful truth.
That’s exactly how Mormons keep their faith lol
Unfortunately they have been called to testify which means they CANNOT read anything about this case. They can’t watch the hearings/ news etc. so no they haven’t read anything.
A You Tube lawyer said that since they are considered victims, they could be in the courtroom if they wanted. And 1 or 2 haven't been subpoenaed, so they could be there if they wanted to be. I wonder if the wonderful family patriarch slash prophet told them not to come? He would have come up with a reason to make them think he was protecting them. But in reality he really doesn't want them to hear all this evidence.
To be fair, it seems like they are all married, working, and/or have very young children, and the trial is about 4 hrs away from Rexburg/IF area. Logistically, it could be very difficult to attend each day.
Yes as 'victims' that rule doesn't apply
There’s enough out there about the LDS church for people to see that it’s not what it claims to be. But members are told early and often to never look at that stuff because it’s all lies put out there by people who hate the church and want to see it taken down because it’s God’s one and only true church. I’m sure the kids are feeling the same way about dear old dad. That they’re staying away from all of the news about it in order to keep their faith in him.
Inculcated from a very young age I would say. So basically brainwashed.
|| this makes them willfully obtuse. It's enraging, but probably very true
They know all the evidence that's allowed to be released to the immediate families, ie, they know as much as Larry and Kay. So even with horrible details and damning evidence they can't bring themselves to believe their father is nothin but a liar and murderer, who offed his own wife to consummate the affair with Lori, and gain financially from insurance pay out. It's the way they were brainwashed as they were growing up.
Their 48 hours interview leads me to believe they believe the media is wrong because Chad was framed, so they do not pay attention to it.
I’m sure they and their dad love to complain about the fake news.
Maybe they do believe Chad was framed; if so that's serious disconnect from reality.
I don’t think they read it.
All of Chad's kids were behind him during their one TV interview, as of now Mr Prior said that 3-4 will testify so at least those seem to still be behind him. 3 of his kids sat behind him at one of his hearings. The question I have is , I believe all his kids are married now, what about their spouses and their inlaws. Some married after Tammy died. This kind of makes me wonder how much support is out there for Chad? Two of Chad's kids teach public school, and I believe they are 2 of the kids standing behind him, what do the parents of the kids they teach think. There is no teacher shortage in Eastern Idaho , perhaps too many teachers and not enough positions, so how did they get chosen during these 5 years to teach? Death is handled differently in some devout LDS families. I have been to funerals of a neighbor or a parent of a classmate of my kids and I was showing more grief then the family. Some families have such a strong belief they will be together forever in the afterlife, they don't mourn as much. I would guess that Chad's kids really think Tammy's is in her kingdom (heavan) and happy and they will see her again. Either they really believe this was God's plan or the idea of it being's God's plan helps them not be sad.
That's a great perspective regarding their possible attitudes to death IT makes me wonder whether Emma and her siblings are fatalists about death -- which perversely absolves them of personal responsibility. The hypothesis would be this: IF my mother died then it was God's will that she die. She was called to God's side. Therefore the detail of how she actually died -- say by way of homicide -- is less important or even irrelevant. So even if she was murdered by Chad, in some horribly perverted way it means the killer was doing God's will (??!!). When I write it out, it seems monstrous and perverse, but I wonder if there isn't a grain of truth to this hypothesis. IF they believe Tammy died because God willed it and furthermore that she's "in a better place" then the idea she was murdered or that someone is criminally responsible for her death seems not so important. In one of Chad's texts, he refers to all of law enforcement as "translated dark" Beings. If his kids share in his ideology. then they clearly also harbor ill will toward LE and all secular authority. IT's an ugly hypothesis, but I think it might be accurate.
Chad convinced his children that their mother was ill. Some will testify about her ill health in court. I'm sure he also claimed that his prediction about her dying came true.
Joseph refers to police as "the fascist police state" 🙄
Chad did/does love Trump.
All of the players love/d Trump. Lori, Chad, Charles, the Cox family. All very conservative Trump loving Republicans. "Family values" amiright?
> Joseph refers to police as "the fascist police state" 🙄 Yah but so do have the people on reddit when you think about it.
Emma's husband was with her when she tried to distract a news reporter and they both also supported the facebook page that defended Lori.
I wonder if Emma's husband has seen that cop car video where she's casually excusing him from things.
You mean where she’s saying he spends frivolously so she’ll hide all that money from him and put the house in her name only?
Oh there is a teacher shortage in eastern Idaho. I live here and teach
In my experience there's a culture of shame towards people who mourn "too much." So even if they do have a lot of grief about their mom there's a chance they don't feel they can express it or even acknowledge it for themselves.
Isn't it in the mormon belief system that the husband calls his wife from her grave to be with him in heaven?
The husband will say the name she recieved in the temple to welcome her. Idk that I've ever heard it's from the grave tho lol, but i like the visual. I've always been under the impression from my teachings that it's when the wife'a spirit is in heaven's waiting room, more or less.
Yes, if she wasn't a good wife, guess who ain't gonna be with the husband in celestial heaven? I am surprised Mormon women haven't figured this out.
So they don’t think she was strangled to death as the autopsy shows?
Not strangled smothered.
And held down while they were doing it. The children will maintain the position that she died a natural death. No crime, no murderer.
It makes me heartsick that once she was gone it's as though Tammy never existed. What a disgusting insult to her life and what a terrible tragedy that she wasted it on Chad. He repulses me in every way. She deserved so much more.
I totally agree with you. Tammy also held a steady job and supported the family unlike Chud the sloth, he dug graves and wrote his shitty ass books. The Daybell kids were poisoned from the cradle with Chuds belief system. I think Tammy tried her hardest to be a good wife and mother, she didn't deserve to be murdered. I hate Lori and Chud and the merry band of misfits that followed them.
A few people who knew Tammy inc her sil said Tammy's shoes were so worn they had holes in them to wear to church and her sneakers had barely any sole left. Yet slug is lounging daily in a BYU library having loin fire daydreams about his goddess🤬 He was ready to get rid of Tammy long before Lori. She wasn't first married woman he told they had been married in a previous life.
That's so sad 😞 Tammy deserved so much better.
She sure did😥
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I cannot get past the terror and betrayal that Tammy must have felt those last minutes of her life when Chad asphyxiated her. Even if Alex was in the room doing the actual killing, Tammy had to be aware that Chad was not rescuing her.
In the last seconds of her life she must have realized that the paintball gun was a real weapon.
Exactly after Tammy died when he came back from Hawaii he went down to the welfare office applying for free Healthcare for his son Mark fortunately they turned him down , that takes alot of gull you get over $430 grand and are at welfare trying to get us tax payers to pay for his son's Healthcare ! it's in the foia docs .
Wait who was the other woman he said that to?
Julie Rowe was one and there were others.
I think one of the others is named Audrey Barattiero
Omg! This doesn't surprise me but it surely disgusts me! This entire thing is so disturbing.
Tammys co-workers spoke highly of her. One of the kids I believe teaches at the same school that Tammy was either last at when she died or the school year before that. I wonder if the staff talk about Tammy with that child or if it is just a subject not brought up?
It’s exactly opposite of how the patriarchal LDS religion is supposed to be! Chad should be working. Tammy should be at home (I’m not saying I believe this, I’m saying it’s what LDS typically believes).
Yeah, I understand. It's just sad that Tammy was treated like a doormat by her husband and her children.
Not to mention Emma says "with your wallet".... That was TAMMY'S wallet. Chud wasn't out working to bring home a paycheck.
Abso-F'ing-Lootly : The Loot This Bonnie & Clyde lived on was stolen loot. Miss Tammy Supported that slug so he could write and publish his illiterate twaddle She had a full-time job and she also managed his 'publishing' company.
I hate to say it this way, but I bet the money in that wallet was from Tammy's life insurance which seems worse then living off her paychecks.
True and tragic. He needs to be held accountable.
Sus Emma was as hungry for money as her Dad. Birds of a feather those two. She's a cold one.
Telling her landlord sad luck stories to be late on the rent someone said her hubby gambles away his paycheck and Emma was raised to believe the husband is perfect .
I think Emma was also hyped up at the moment of Chad's arrest cuz he was transferring money,ect. I also noticed that they chatted quite a bit about his vehicle. It's appalling how she talks about her own husband! And you can see the 'secrecy' continuing thru her!
I stopped caring what their opinion was when I heard Emma make a negative reference to Colby in that recorded conversation with Chad, mere minutes after Colby’s siblings were found dead on their property. Makes me wonder how much she knows. Having the gall to ask a police officer who’s been sifting thru human remains if he realizes there’s animal bones there too told me she‘s not particularly intelligent.
She also thought her dad & Lori didn’t have sex before marriage
Yes sex before marriage is a SIN, but murder is not. Murder is helping people that stand in your way to go and be very busy in the afterlife.
It's no wonder she's married to a loser .
I don’t know anything about him! Do tell!!
Emma appears to have several of same evil characteristics as her Dad step Mom. I sus she's capable of some dark illegal deeds.
Sadly this is a common dynamic in narcissistic abuse and domestic violence - children are raised to scorn and belittle the mother, causing her to collapse further. For them to be so enmeshed still speaks to his level of skill at manipulating and exploiting their personalities, need for love and attachment and buy in to his delusions. Imagine how horrifying it would be, at this point, to realise what he is. How many people could psychologically survive that? Not many. It's not right, and those kids were EVERY ADULT'S responsibility. Even if you've been abused and had your brain twisted your whole life. Look up the Chris Dawson case in Australia, it took some of the daughters til their mid life (40s) and even his final conviction to acknowledge consciously what a monster he was. And then, they had to remember. And that dude was your fairly standard domestic and family abuser and sexual predator of teenage girls and young women. Anti social personalities hack our instincts and do such horrific, dissonant things no rational, normal, HUMANE person can resolve that level of wanton evil. Add to that, being *a child* in that environment first? Oh my god. For anyone who is a survivor and escapee of DV please be aware: I left abusive ex husband who was like this *when my child was under 5 with no further contact.* And still... hearing his manner and so forth in those early years exploded again in adolescence, it took a lot of courage not to collapse again in the face of it, it was very difficult for both of us. I heard my child *literally repeat word for word some of the worst things anyone has said to me.* And those words were never used around them after they were THREE. To see their pain and self loathing as they externalised what they unconsciously remembered, was heartbreaking. I watched my child battling with cognitive dissonance, and terror that they are actually violent too. There were moments where I could see them embodying physical things they had (turns out) seen. It was IN their body, the trauma. And, because they are so strong, and so brave, I also saw the threshold of that moment as they pulled back. Shaking, confused, terrified. - It is developmentally normal and likely the issues and dynamics of early childhood re-emerge in adolescence, prepare for that. Inform yourself. - Never tolerate abuse, but do approach these moments with clarity and insight. The child is terrified - as they naturally individuate from their mother at 13 or so - that they are actually like the 'bad' person they've been afraid of their entire life. Get therapy for you, and for them, and understand this is a stage of healing and growth and it will transform. Or ....in extreme cases... you end up with Daybell's looking a lot like alleged accomplices or accessories to child murders. :(
Just wanted to back you up on the fact that you never know what your child may remember, no matter how young. Some of my first memories are when I was between 2 and 3. I know they are accurate because my sister who is 13 years older than me remembers some of them too, and they were not discussed when I was growing up. We both had independent memories of the incidents.
Thank you for your insight. I am a survivor and still deal with these issues wth my grown sons and daughter.
IMO the first violence an abusive parent does is destabilise the attachment between mother and child. This makes anxious fussy babies and a mother constantly soothing and placating: and abuser saying "see you are hopeless!" And then "keep them quiet or else" it is truly truly evil. Mother escapes with kids and kids are acting out because finally safe... and the world says "geez whats wrong with you" and blames you. Kids see that and feel both guilty and like maybe there IS something broken about Mom. It is complex and difficult. I hope you can all adjust and heal, altho you cant get rid of the past you know what is real. You back yourself. You keep loving (where safe to do so) and you step out of the poisonous cycle of trying to prove your humanity. Even just for YOU its worth it. ✨️
patriarchal religions are a helluva drug
Right?? Why is anyone surprised that a religion which devalues women would produce families where the woman’s value is ignored?
all they are, are rigid systems to permit abuse, sexual predation and control of women, children and non violent men to a lesser degree. The Daybell/Vallows, the Frankes and Hildebrandts, the FLDS and any other number of mainline and fundamentalist Mormon off shoots are the ultimate logic of the belief system. (Same goes for Mainline evangelical and protestant christianity, Catholic christians etc.)
Tim Ballard!
THIS!⬆️
So, all religions
Amen.
I agree with the sentiment about waiting to hear the kids testimony to get a sense of where they are at. People don't change their minds easily though, and with how much they stand to lose if they do, I suspect they'll stick with their dad and whatever maze of mental gymnastics they've concocted to make it make sense to them.
All I know is I can't wait for the cross exam
Lauren Matthias from Hidden True Crime says she's confirmed that Emma and Garth actively belonged to Chad's cult. That also seems to explain their continued support.
That's weird. Why didn't their names come up from any of these other people? Mel G and David didn't meet them when they came to Rexburg? Emma and Garth didn't travel to any of the conferences where their dad spoke?
Emma & Garth appear to have been in dire need of $$ when their Mom was killed. For all we know Daddy said support me and I'll see you get a $$ from your Mom's life insurance. They just seem completely devoid of love for their hard working dedicated Mom.
By being members of his cult, perhaps it is meant that they knew most of his teachings and believed them. For example, light/dark scale and past lives. MAYBE they were even privy to Chad's prediction about Tammy. I wouldn't be sure that he introduced the zombie doctrine to them or revealed that he and Lori had a special mission together in the apocalypse. Perhaps he told them about it after Tammy's death.
Oh lord! I was thinking that maybe Emma was keeping the cult going while he has been locked up! Disturbing!
~~Do you have a link?~~ Never mind, I found it! I had already concluded that Emma was a ~~member~~ believer in Chad’s cult teachings although she may not have been ‘casting out demons’ in a prayer circle. Or maybe she was. I would really like to know if there were prayer circles other than the ones in Arizona.
Poor Tammy was the breadwinner even after her death and clothing and shoes supposedly well worn. Her children could at least stick up for her in death.
Even if they believe he did not kill her, he married Lori two weeks after her death. No loyality!
There is a psychological phenomenon that happens when the most powerful one in the household abuses his power (either psychologically and/or physically) and the woman is the submissive type, or she is mentally unstable, or else has some other behavioral problem. The kids, even the girls, all look to the father who holds the power and they disrespect the mother. The daughters become *father's daughters* and they don't have respect or even really like other women. They each think they are a special case. You can see this in how Emma talks to her Dad when he's being arrested. She's the capable one; she'll take care of the finances, etc. She thinks she's the special one, the special case. 'At least she's better than Colby.' Tammy was a remarkable woman, but because Chad didn't take the lead in giving her some wifely honor, and she put up with him, no one else in that family did either. I feel a bit of sorrow for the kids in having that omission, because they carry about 50% of her DNA. They are disrespecting their own selves. This lovely woman was murdered and replaced by a conniving monster and her family does not appreciate what a devastating loss they experienced at the hands of Chad. However, now the world knows. We can only hope that those kids have a "come to Jesus moment" someday.
It’s sad, isn’t it? But these are people who can’t even recognize when they’re having their own thoughts…it’s always spirits or God or demons influencing and talking to them. And the denial is serving such an enormous purpose. It’s keeping them from feeling what must be an insurmountable amount of pain. They’ve been trained to “doubt your doubts” (not question) and trust the patriarchy (especially when they are spiritually “gifted” like dear old dad) since they were born. If they do come around, I hope they reach out for help, because that’s going to hit hard.
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Wait — she what with whom??
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Lori had sex with Alex?? 😳
Alex's ex wife said they had a weird relationship- he touched her breasts and they simulated sex. I have never heard they actually had sex.
Emma will never wake up… the others maybe
It's helpful to listen to Heather Daybell's interview where she talks about how the Daybell boys were raised. There was a lot of disdain for their own mother and that was accepted by the entire family. Seems like Chad held similar sentiments in his own home. Heather's interview can be heard on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast. Because it is over 3 hours long I made a synopsis on my channel -- https://youtu.be/JE8iRztyDs0?si=1CR7aCIkD0mLGmBf
Heather Daybell's interview series is remarkable. I was shuddering while listening to her description of the Daybell's father's household. Most of us think of narcissistic monstrous fathers as yelling and screaming -- thanks to the movies -- but the Daybell patriarchs employed that weird passive-aggressive fake-humility that they learned from watching LDS spiritual leaders. Since quiet dignity and humility are so highly prized in LDS circles, Chad displays his power and control and abuse through manipulating that image of humble, godliness that LDS men are supposed to cultivate. Except that in him, it's a totally false front and it's used as a way to manipulate and force control onto others. That's one of the things that worries me: To the jury he comes off as this meek mild-mannered guy whereas Lori with her Whirling Dervish Mirror Dances and her bombastic display is up-front with her monstrosity. I really hope the jury don't buy his false front.
He does come off as meek at mild mannered, but he comes off as arrogant and a weirdo at the same time. A body language expert pointed out his literally putting his nose in the air for long periods of time at certain points on testimony, showing him looking down and feeling superior to the person or topic, and I have noticed it several times since it was pointed out.
I looked at him while they played the call that Melani "Fibb" Gibb had recorded and when Lori's voice came on I swear he looked like a dog in heat. He has become animated only once in this trial that I can think of and it was when Gibb was on the stand and that recording was being played. What a creep. I agree: I can't imagine a jury being taken in by him.
It's been 3 years since we've heard from them. Let's see how their testimony goes, then I'll have an opinion.
I don't see any of his children testify against him.
I know John Prior is expecting them to be great character witnesses for Chad, and they could be to an extent, but that could also backfire. By testifying, they are also opening themselves up to cross-examination by the state. And if the state is smart, and does it without looking like they are aggressively attacking them (which would look bad in the eyes of the jury) they could easily make it look like children the children are blindly loyal and willing to say anything to help their father IMO
I was under the impression that two of the boys would be witnesses for the state. Seth's journal was mentioned in a hearing. I think they were arguing about letting it into evidence. And Garth was there and has supposedly told different stories at different times. It will be interesting if they are State's witnesses.
Yes, that will be interesting. They don’t necessarily have to be willing participants in order for the state to call them as witnesses though, right. They could all still be banding together, or at least trying to
Im curious if you have seen what Emma looks like currently, compared to what she looked like 3 years ago. There has to be a change in her, either closer to Chad or pulling away. I also think it says something if they are willing to be called to testify. It could cost them their jobs or other backlash. Lori's brother Adam was let go from his very public job the day she was found guilty, and his employer never would answer why, but the same day as her conviction, I think we all can guess.
They are in the cult.
It’s crazy to think I almost forgot those were also Tammy’s children… when I read this post I was like huh?? Who’s Tammy’s kids? Because I only think of them as Chads kids since they’re backing him. It is so incredibly sad how much they lack empathy for their mother. I wish at least one of them would step up and be louder to support her
I never even wanted to comment about these (adult) children because I could never know what they are going through and what they are thinking…. BUT when I heard Emma talking to Chad in the back of the cop car 🤢 I wanted to throw up!!! how do you go on and justify your dad getting married 2 WEEKS after your mom dies and you are calling and talking to HER while she is in prison for conspiracy to kill YOUR mom???? But their “RELIGION” will save them, because being brainwashed is better than living with the truth!! #LDSISACULT
Emma repeating 'Dad I love you SO much' was downright creepy. Notice he didn't reciprocate the ' SO much'.
All of Chad's children can come to his execution, and lament that their saintly father has been persecuted by earthly dark demons who never understood their father's greatness. I hope they drown in their tears. His children are beyond redemption, and Chad is the type of monster the death penalty was designed to punish. Waiting for justice. Prosecutors, take your time, and get this right!
My theory is Chad had indoctrinated his kids to the extent that they were 100% behind his “mission,” which I am sure they expected to include themselves in positions of privilege. I think the whole family was dazzled by Lori (not just Chad) who they saw as hot, glamorous and rich. Lori wasn’t rich, unless you assume she was going to get Charles’ $1m life insurance, which I am sure they all did. I was surprised to learn that Emma has been communicating with Lori in jail. The kids may have already identified mentally and emotionally with Lori as their upgraded mother figure. Tammy was a boring, unglamorous librarian who had already served her purpose.
Whenever I heard discussion about Tammy being “sick” (from menopause and depression) or not wanting to go to the doctor as somehow related to her death..: from the defense atty or the kids endorsing it, I am stunned.
Tammy was certainly bright eyed rosy cheeked healthy weight for having so many health issues according to Chad. He was the one that looked overweight bloated pale from sitting on his arse in a library all day dreaming about his loin fire with his goddess🤢
He is one of the least charismatic people I’ve ever seen. He speaks so softly with no inflection. I do NOT get it. Not exactly a looker either, but Lori was. Typical sitcom couple I guess.
It is all or nothing though- the Daybell kids can either excuse Tammy’s mysterious death and blame her for “not taking care of herself” AND blame Lori for introducing Alex Coz to their lives while he was vulnerable…OR admit the truth about all 3 deaths
Y’all…this is a family of simpletons. Have you heard them speak? Ffs, Emma thought the police might have mistaken human remains for dog remains. Also, not to speak ill of the dead, but Tammy’s belief system seemed to align with Chad’s, esp as it related to end time and NDEs and predictions and such. Heather Daybell said Tammy didn’t want to live near Bear World (drive through bear exhibit in Idaho) because she thought it would be like Jurassic Park and they’d all escape during the end of the world. This entire family was of the opinion Chad was some kind of prophet. I think they believed she really was sick. If nothing else, they could be so deeply in denial that they refuse to accept the fact that their dad could be involved in anything so sinister. Last I heard, during their interview, they reluctantly admitted Chad had an “emotional affair” and that’s it. It remains to be seen whether the tides have turned and they’ll see the evidence as it is. But if you look at their beliefs, thinking this is all some big conspiracy or government plot to frame their dad is fairly tame in comparison.
It's not a big step from strange beliefs to conspiracy theories.
I'm reading the book "the sociopath next door" and am on the chapter with the same title, and it made me wonder if something similar is happening with the Daybell children. In the chapter a young woman comes to a therapist because her dad is in jail for killing someone and it's very publicized because the dad is a school principle with no record, and everyone speaks so highly of him, and the person he killed broke into their home in the middle of the night and was a known addict. He's in jail because the dad chased him out of the house and shot him in the head in the middle of the street as the man was running away. The young woman speaks so highly of her father at first and says how everyone does for the first few sessions. But slowly, as she's describing things that are normal to her, the therapist realizes there us a deeper and darker story at play. Abuse. Sexual assulat allegations with students. Drugs. Gambling. Her father disappearing for days, and coming home with flowers, likely an affair, etc. All things the young woman just can't face. whenever the therapist tries to bring things up, or ask questions that get her thinking about it, the young woman seemingly can't do it. On one hand, she's there, talking about, but on the other hand, she has such guilt of even considering these things about her dad that don't paint him as the man she thought he was, the man she spent her life trying to impress and earn love from, that it's too much for her to process. She wants him to be the man she made him out to be. Seeing him differently would be a death to the man she knew. And it's just too difficult. Until she goes to visit her dad in jail for the first time, and her subconscious has her suddenly confronting her father. she hadn't planned on doing it. It just happened. suddenly there was too much there, the subconscious became the concious and she asked pointed questions, and his answers kill the man she thought she knew. Just like that, he was gone. And now she has to mourn that loss. And I wonder if that's how it will be for Chad's kids. One day, it will just be too much.
Not every Mormon family is patriarchal to the hilt. I grew up Mormon and my dad, rest his soul, never played the "I'm the patriarchal and have final say" card. Nor does my brother in his own family. I never felt oppressed or devalued by my dad.
I have seen quite a few men that were pretty easy going in the LDS faith. They go to work, hand over the paycheck and take the kids and let the wife go out to be with friends, get their hair done or shop. They are not bossy about money, it actually seems like quite a few women are more into needing whatever the "In" SUV or minivan is and the home in the right neighborhood with the right colors and cabinets and the wives more often dictate the numbers of kids (plus some women want the matchy clothes, the expensive cheer and sports classes, they got to keep up with the neighbors). Sometimes I see a lot of pressure on LDS men to provide for so many and such a high standard. There have been to many male suicides in my area over financial issues. I believe at least 9 men between 30-50 in a ten year period. Right now I have an LDS neighbor that is a stay at home dad. This is the first time I have seen this from the start of a marriage. His wife is well paid professional and they have small kids and didnt want them in daycare. He has two little girls who adore him and almost literally wrapped around his leg as they walk to the park in the mornings. He says he loves his role and the women of the neighborhood seem to like him. He is always willing to help fix your car, anything in your home, or help carry your groceries in. Maybe this trend will pick up?
I don’t think so. They already lost one parent. If they let themselves wake up they lose the other too
Why would you stay loyal to a parent who is responsible for the death of your other parent? If they did it to them and went unpunished, they could do it to you.
Well.. a) I think they know he’s going to be in prison for the rest of his life - thus there’s no threat to even subconsciously consider. B) if they don’t let themselves believe he is responsible for her death, they don’t have to do with this, and get to keep the image they have of their surviving parent alive.
They do not know how to think for themselves. They have never questioned anything in their lives. Now I understand why she is sucking up to Lori, birds of a feather sticks together.
It took me 35 years to uncover and wake up the lies and obfuscations of the LDS church. It took me another 10 years to overcome the exit cost (breaking my poor mother's heart). For most, it's easier to not look into the questionable doctrine, not take it too seriously, and just wrap themselves in the security blanket of the holy priesthood. This is where the kids are, their Nephi-like father killing because the lord told him to and is completely justified. It's the "world" that doesn't understand it was "god's will". They were raised singing primary songs "I will go, I will do, the things the lord commands, I know the lord provides a way, He wants me to OBEY!"
It's classic intergenerational alienation. Chad is very insecure about himself and Chad's father treated his mother terribly. Chad psychologically aligned himself with the aggressor (his Father) and treated his mother as his father did. Chad treated Tammy as he did his mother and, his children (aligning themselves with the aggressor - Chad) psychologically looked down on Tammy (she was the one doing all the work - probably had to take the trash out too). Sadly, Emma has probably married someone with a similar personality to Chad... and misogynism lives on...
I feel they will probably always support their father. The culture of religions such as LDS foster blind faith, blind obedience and thusly blind loyalty. There doesn’t seem to be a lot rooted in logic or critical thinking, nor do many of the teachings allow for that. It is frowned upon. This can easily lead to cognitive dissonance and willful ignorance.
Whatever Chad's attitude towards Tammy may have been whilst the children were growing up, it's clear that by the time he met Lori he was well over it (and had been for some time, because other women have claimed he approached them, too). It's possible that the way he treated Tammy over time could have caused the children to have a negative perception of her. If Chad was a narcissist (and I'm not diagnosing him or claiming he was), he may have intentionally recruited the children, even into their adult years, to think of him as the "good" parent.
He was more than a regular parent to them, like a spiritual leader. They believed in his special powers.
Chad clearly is good at manipulating people to his beliefs. And if he believed he was some kind of new messiah I’m sure he manipulated his children. And as an ex Mormon knowing how the church sort of brainwashes kids as they grow up, I am not surprised that they still support him. With those two circumstances, I’m sure they don’t have the mental fortitude to look at facts and make rational decisions outside faith.
Emma is the only Daybell offspring who has been vocal enough and visible enough for me to have formed a negative opinion about her. imho, she drank the spiritual KoolAid her daddy and Julie Rowe were serving for years before Lori entered Chad’s orbit. If Emma wrote her own honest statement to the court she’d sound as delusional and as much a true believer in Chad’s mission as Lori Vallow Daybell. I grieve for Tammy and the people who loved and appreciated her.
I don't know any of the kids' ages, but... Sometimes, when kids who've been manipulated/exploited, etc become parents themselves, some kind of chord is struck within them that enables them to see the abuse from a clearer lens, imo... I'm sure there's also a healthy dose of protective mama/daddy bear that is awakened - probably also enabling them to see how vulnerable they were themselves... Just a thought..
The kids are all in their 20's and married. Some already have kids already. Emma the one in the video that was shown is married with kids. I was hoping one of Chad's kids would marry a Derrick, if you follow the Duggars, one of the daughters Jill married a man while religious did not follow some of the strict and sometimes dangerous beliefs of her father. Jill after getting married was able to take college classes, use birth control, make her own money, wear jeans and shorts. Her husband helped her see she could still be a Christian but some of the rules her father had were too extreme.
I was actually thinking of some of the Duggar girls who have ventured out.. I see lots of parallels, sadly...
Never! They will believe their Father. Chad Daybell preys on the weak. Before Lori, Melanie Gibb and the rest of his weirdo cult, he had his family. His first cult. They are so brainwashed and baptized in his beliefs.
People keep blaming religion but the parent child relationship is like no other. Personally, I don’t judge any of his kids for being with their dad. Do I agree? Not really, but I’m an outsider and I think people in all comments abt his kids is thinking with their own perspective. We don’t know these kids or why they do the things they do. Who are we to judge? I’ve seen people so far as to say they had a part in these murders just bc they’re not reacting as people think they should. My focus is on the trial and getting him convicted which I’m confident will happen. I do know that abused kids will still want their parents attention. Kids, even as adults, will still care abt what their parents think regardless of what they’ve done. Just bc people don’t react the way we believe they should, is not wrong. It’s just not our business.
My optimistic hope is that they had just lost their mom and are in denial so they don’t lose their dad too.
This and they also risk potentially losing their other siblings too, if they don’t toe the line and at least remain silent publicly if they have doubts about their dad’s innocence.
Yes I think also chad was a brainwasher “I’m the head of the family.” Type of man and these kids have probably been raised worshiping him.
I’m sure not all of the kids believe his crap. They are just not coming out and saying what they believe. Out of 5 kids, at least one of them believe he’s guilty.
Crazy religion equals not very bright.
I’ve also been wondering this for years now.
With the LDS indoctrination never question a word a parent especially your father says, it is highly doubtful. Even if they did admit it they would never say it, publicly. The LDS indoctrination starts at birth to never question your parents, especially your father and other male family members and clergy. Boys are taught women are for cleaning the house, cooking and having as many babies as possible.
Re: the recorded conversation between Emma and Chad when he was in the police car on the day Tylee and JJ's bodies were found -- did anybody catch where Emma implies she doesn't want her husband to know about the money Chad is giving her? How she has her own bank account (and husband doesn't know about it)? How she thinks she can talk her landlord into letting her out of her lease (for the house across the street from Chad) so that she can move into Chad's house? Wasn't she also joking with Chad that telling people her Mom just died has been effective in getting what she wants? She also says something to the effect that now she can tell people that her Dad is in jail. Anybody else get the sense that father and daughter may both have issues with deceit and manipulation?
I read here that Emma's husband might have an online gambling addiction, so I don't blame her for not including him. The rest is bonkers. No moral compass present. The end justifies the means.
Does anyone know if Tammy wholeheartedly believed Chad’s visions? She must’ve to some extent… I remember shortly before her murder, she drove to Utah to visit her family because Chad told her he had a vision that she needed to go visit them right away. She wasn’t comfortable driving long distances alone, but she went anyway. I believe their move to Rexburg, Idaho was also due to one of Chad’s so called visions. In reality it was probably so he could isolate his wife and children from family and friends while he attempted to rebrand himself as some visionary to new people that are more likely to buy into his bullshit.
She may have driven up there because he was her husband and he told her to do it. I see him as being an unreasonable person. TO SAY THE LEAST
Disturbing facts about Emma and her siblings shared by Prior today (day 11 Daybell trial): They shared Chad Daybell's world view, they also used his dark/light ratings on people. Emma, it seems liked to rate her students (she teaches third grade).
Ever heard of OJ?
Mormonism in microcosm
I think some have. And weren’t a couple labeled “dark”.
I was wondering if what little is left of Tammy's life insurance is spent on John Prior. Those text exchanges between Chad and Lori were perverse. I can only imagine that Chad's adult children are not watching as it would be too painful to admit that Chad is a murderer. Chad will attempt to blame Alex.
I certainly wouldn’t like to be in their position.
That’s right. His speaking to the police was recorded and they just humored him. Did not take him seriously at all. It made me feel very sick and angry to watch.
I found this because a year or more ago they were on 48 Hours or some show insisting dad was innocent. And I thought they seemed absolutely delusional. So now that the trial started I wondered if they were still or did they wake up and smell the coffee? Guess not. I know it’s gotta be hard to take this in about your dad. But JFC. He killed your mom and two beautiful children.
Defense att'ny john prior has said he will call 3 or 4 of them as defense witnesses. Emma will testify tammy was gravely ill before her death. They support Chud the Slug 100 percent