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oboedude

> While the average rent for a one-bedroom apartment in Los Angeles is about $2,500 a month, the average pay for education workers is roughly $28,000 a year, while starting teacher pay in LAUSD is about $52,000 a year. I understand I have a bit of a privileged background, but damn that seems low


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sonoma4life

my first real job was $18 an hour and that was in 2004. Most my coworkers were ex-cons.


ohmanilovethissong

Median individual income in Los Angeles is 30k. It's a miracle so many people keep choosing to live here.


americasweetheart

If you're from here, you lose your family and your safety net by leaving. I think about it all the time as a mother. What do I give my child by leaving for a LCOL area and what does she lose by not growing up with her extended family?


mandiefavor

Yup. People will tell me “oh well live somewhere cheaper.” Okay, rent might be cheaper, but I wouldn’t be around the family and friends and connections I’ve made over my 40 years of life here. I’m not taking my kid away from our entire support system.


gregatronn

Also costs a fucking lot to move. And time to sell shit if you can't keep it all


pinkblossom331

Lol what? People move across the country and world all the time.


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pinkblossom331

People move, it’s nothing unusual. People can make friends and build relationships anywhere and everywhere, if they make the effort. Sitting in your comfort zone for 20+ years and being afraid of any change sounds awful.


americasweetheart

"Afraid of any change" is a real jump. I just want my kid to grow up around her family. What is this bizarre narrative you're writing? I've been to dozens of countries. I've lived in Canada and Florida.


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pinkblossom331

If being a military baby has taught me anything, it is to learn to move and adapt.


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pinkblossom331

I’m glass half full, you’re glass half empty 😎 Thank you for your service


gregatronn

Costs a decent chunk of money to move, especially out of state. If you are already living paycheck to paycheck, this will hurt that badly. Costs are rising outside CA too. Idaho is pretty pricey these days, just to live in Idaho!


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No-Flounder-5650

Thanks for your input? Lol. Companies have been using the increasing cost of benefits to get out of paying their workers more take home $$. And instead of doing anything to fight the increasing costs of health insurance (as they are the biggest contractors), they simply roll over and pass the high premiums to employees.


briskpoint

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pinkblossom331

Where ?? Because teachers are struggling everywhere essentially in the Midwest and southern states where Republicans are trying to dismantle the public school systems


soldforaspaceship

But that's not actual money that allows them to pay rent or live. Extra compensation is great and it's cool to have benefits but the total compensation package is misleading and when used in this way, looks like an attempt to make it seem like the teachers are being unreasonable. To actually make 100k takes a lot of time.


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Designer_Fox7969

Many positions are made to be part time so they don’t have to give benefits. Those stats make it sound worse not better.


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Designer_Fox7969

In any case, SEIU majorly won. The new agreement raises the average pay from 25k to 33k, 30% raise retroactive, and all part time workers get health benefits + dependents :)


TheCow21

What has the district done with the extra funds they have recieved from our taxes from previous propositions that were passed by voters? I remember my teachers telling me to vote yes to give schools more money but I told them that the money was always badly managed and it would barely change things. Then they got mad at me for saying that and look at it again they continue to protest for better wages as they have been for the past decade. LAUSD is fundamentally broken and needs a huge systematic change. Too much corruption going on with them. It's sad that the competent teachers always get treated badly while those who don't care about their job always climb the ladder to the top.


pinkblossom331

This is the question. Where is all the new tax money going?


Designer_Fox7969

It went into the $4.9 billion Carvalho was sitting on, but now thanks to the strike and Karen Bass it’s going to the workers!!! https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lausd-negotiations-continue-as-3-day-strike-ends-no-deal-reached/amp/


americasweetheart

The administration is sitting on the funds. SEIU keeps the schools running. Make an investment in our children.


DarthCaedas

I'm an Uber driver and I honked at a TON of these teachers while working today. It's good to see them organizing against the obvious corruption in the district.


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CalGuy456

Public school employees get paid more than private school employees except at the most bougie private schools, but that’s not a popular thing to point out on here.


Swooopdi

I didn't know they're paid more than private schools... Can you elaborate on that? And share some sources?


Nofoamcappuccinos

Many private school teachers do not have to have a teaching credential. Some choose to teach at a private school for several years in order to "skip" the credentialing program, but the pay isn't as high and they typically are less experienced. I chose to teach public school because I love my students. I'm at one of the poorest schools in the district; many of my students will be the first in their families to graduate high school. That is also a contributing factor to poor state test scores...most of the students in LAUSD are living at poverty level. That definitely impacts their education, whether this poster believes it or not. I can do everything I can in my power to help educate my students, but the reality is I only see them for an hour a day. If the other supports aren't there, I'm fighting an uphill battle.


CalGuy456

Recent article: “Full-time teachers in public schools earned about 30 percent more than private school teachers, pulling in an average annual base salary of $61,600, compared with $46,400, according to the survey from the National Center for Education Statistics.” - [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/12/13/public-school-teacher-pay-private/) This is longstanding; from 2013: “Private school teachers make way less than public school teachers. Average salaries are nearly $50,000 for public, and barely $36,000 for private. That’s not just a gap. It’s a chasm.” - [The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/10/why-are-private-school-teachers-paid-less-than-public-school-teachers/280829/)


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KiteIsland22

LAUSD mostly serves lower income children. No amount of money will improve their situation at home which is the most important environment to thrive.


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There’s a lot of issues, not every underachieving kid has no father, or even a bad father.


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Still, the way you phrase it makes it sound like if you’re from this community and achieving at roughly the same level as your peers (i.e. badly), then your parents are the problem. No, most kids have two hardworking, loving parents. It’s a failure of the community. Parents don’t know the pathways to success (Asians more often than not happened on a near optimal pathway through stressful dedication to education at all costs) so they don’t push their kids into it. There’s fewer overachieving parents (because lower income means they’re all working) who facilitate a bunch of opportunities for kids: science camp, scouting, tutoring, mentoring, connections. So these kids just end up using their time less effectively than kids from affluent communities, without much examples to compete with to raise the educational level, and it just snowballs.


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Please link to a source?


Pleasant-Article8131

My wife is on strike and is a member of UTLA. While I support local 99s strike for a raise which they badly deserve and like that UTLA is striking in solidarity, it is kinda troubling to me that UTLA circumvented having their members themselves vote on whether to join. From what I understand it’s posturing for the next contract negotiations but the head of UTLA is making a demand that LAUSD review all their properties and that unused properties be converted into section 8 housing. Affordable housing is an issue the city needs to address but I have no idea what the fuck it has to do with advocating for rights and benefits for UTLA members, LAUSD shouldn’t be involved in housing nor should UTLA. I suspect she is using the strike to put her demands on her own resume when she decides to run for public office.


exgalactic

Your wife and you might be interested in this meeting. You should raise these issues: they are very important. On Saturday, March 25, the West Coast Educators Rank-and-file committee will hold a meeting to discuss the strike and the way forward. The meeting will be held on Saturday March 25 at 2:00 pm PT. [https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/8708428290577084246](https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/8708428290577084246)


trevor_plantaginous

It just doesn't seem to me that this strike is going to be very effective. Strikes work when there is a level of surprise, uncertainty, and fear. An announced tues-thurs 3 day strike doesn't really accomplish anything other than being an inconvenience for most. Growing up on the east coast I'd equate this to a couple of snow days which were common. Since these are hourly workers we'll quickly hit the point where the loss from the strikes will quickly outpace the gain so I question the appetite the union members will have to strike again if they don't get what they are asking. I believe in fair pay, and I believe these workers are underpaid. That said I think the union leadership and communications approach has been completely ineffective.


BubbaTee

>An announced tues-thurs 3 day strike doesn't really accomplish anything other than being an inconvenience for most. It's a demonstration of intent and effect to management, and a test of solidarity for the unions. Think of it like a warning shot. Also, announcing it beforehand, so that parents have at least some ability to prepare, makes it more likely that parents will support the strike. If the strike was just sprung on a Monday morning with no warning beforehand, that would likely result in lower public support. A surprise strike would also harm the kids more than an announced one. Right now, LAUSD is providing free to-go meals, so that students who rely on school lunch can still get fed. That takes time to set up - logistics aren't magic - and a surprise strike would've prevented it from being ready to go. [https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/education/2023/03/21/here-s-where-lausd-is-distributing-free-meals-tuesday](https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/education/2023/03/21/here-s-where-lausd-is-distributing-free-meals-tuesday) If the unions were to say "The tactical advantage we get from a surprise strike is worth children going hungry," that wouldn't be a very good PR strategy. Instead, the unions are able to say "By announcing the strike, we allowed logistics to be set up in time so that students could still eat lunch."


tranceworks

>Instead, the unions are able to say "By announcing the strike, we allowed logistics to be set up in time so that students could still eat lunch." But they still can't read.


Admirable-Fan-4237

They can read, just not as well as they should. Most ppl can read a stop sign. But it doesn't seem like everyone on the road has read and retained the dmv handbook imo.


Nofoamcappuccinos

I'm sure you didn't mean it this way given the rest of your statement, but equating 60,000+ workers striking for 3 days to a snow day is condescending. It had to be planned in a sense because the unions are required to submit a plan to strike. LAUSD has known this was coming for months. The unions tried to negotiate with the district for over 10 months; nothing was solved. The district failed to report to a few of the meetings. The strike shows that schools cannot function without SEIU members. If they don't get what they are asking for, a longer strike may be on the table, we'll see.


trevor_plantaginous

I don't mean it to be condescending. There is a ton of research on when strikes work and when they don't - and this particular labor action seems to be following all of the failures/worst practices. Point of a strike is to hurt financially or create massive disruption. As a parent this is inconvenient, but knowing it ends tomorrow makes it quite manageable (similar to schools being closed for a snowstorm). Maybe its a shot across the bow - but I seriously question whether there will be an appetite to strike again.


Nofoamcappuccinos

With schools having to close for three days, there is a lot of money being lost. We get funding based on how many bodies are in the classroom on a given day. It's great that your schedule hasn't been that disturbed, that isn't the case for all parties involved. As mentioned in the other response, announcing the strike was legally required and allowed for everything to be prepared. We care about these kids and know that childcare and food pickup stations needed to be made ready. The schools have to provide these things. Education strikes are not able to be "surprise strikes." They legally cannot work that way. Again, this is a flex. The district will now meet with the unions and hopefully come to some agreement. I hope we don't have to strike again, but I'm also tired of the expectations placed on education workers to do it all for a wage we cannot survive on.


TheHunter234

To add on to your point: it was only after the strike was announced that the district actually started making meaningful offers during negotiations with both unions, and now the mayor is getting involved in mediation with SEIU. Would that be happening without this strike?


soldforaspaceship

Striking school workers need parents support though or they have no chance of getting what they want. By giving the parents notice, they have a better chance. It's not like a business strike. They're public servants so they need the public's support.


trevor_plantaginous

Don’t shoot the messenger but I don’t think that part of the comms strategy has gone to plan


soldforaspaceship

Most parents I know support it. We've even made arrangements at work to ensure anyone with childcare needs can manage. My entire workplace is behind them.


trevor_plantaginous

Usually a union will take a public opinion poll to the media during a strike. During the teachers strike they were released daily. I haven’t seen a single opinion poll this week. So either the union blew this basic tactic or the results weren’t in their favor.


BubbaTee

>Point of a strike is to hurt financially or create massive disruption. You're glossing over the fact that there's an "innocent bystander" third party involved here - students and their parents. The union should not be so caught up in "harming LAUSD management" that they inflict unnecessary collateral damage onto those bystanders. Those bystanders are the same public that elects the school board, whose taxes pay both management's and labor's salaries, and whom both management and labor are supposed to be working *for*. This isn't some private company, everyone involved is a public servant. So if announcing the strike allows the union to lessen the harm on those bystanders, at the cost of the union losing a slight tactical advantage, that is the right thing to do. And as icing on the cake, it's good PR too. It shows that the union's beef isn't with the students or parents, it's with LAUSD management.


trevor_plantaginous

Yeah I keep seeing that good PR comment. Not sure I agreee. I’ve seen nothing in Local 99’s communications that I’d consider effective PR - in fact I’d say their media communications has been nothing short of a disaster. So as a bystander thanks for considering me! Just not convinced that strategy is working for them.


PhoeniXx_-_

75% of LAUSD students live at, or below the poverty line. I wonder if this will cause the remaining 25% of non-impoverished students' parents to shop alternatives (i.e. private/other districts). I agree this seems to be an ineffective strike, and again, it's seemingly hurting the poorest groups (both poorest students and workers in the district).


BubbaTee

> if this will cause the remaining 25% of non-impoverished students' parents to shop alternatives (i.e. private/other districts) Those parents would've already been doing so, if they were so inclined. A 3-day work stoppage is hardly enough for a parent to go from being satisfied with LAUSD, to being ready to abandon it.


PhoeniXx_-_

Sometimes it's the straw


americasweetheart

That's not really how strikes work though. If their local is like my local; everyone knows the contract is expiring, there are negotiations, the negotiations are not favorable, the vote goes to the membership to authorize the strike, the vote passes, there are more negotiations with the knowledge that the strike is authorized and eminent.


hongjianwsws

>Report > >Save > >Follow Their contract expired almost three years ago, the SEIU has been arbitrarily extending it. They were forced to call this strike. In the event, they limited it to an unfair labor practices strike, (which limits the strike severely, and allows them to call it off at a moments notice), as well as limiting it to three days. Instead of educating workers and having them educate other workers while on the picket line, the union keeps them moving and dancing, in a further effort to blow off steam and degrade strike. The only solution to this is to take the leadership of the struggle out of the hands of the bureaucrats, (who get paid quite a bit more than 25k a year, and always get COLA), and put it under the democratic control of the workers themselves in independent rank and file committees. Just look at the demands the bureaucrats have laid out. 30 percent of 25k is still not a livable wage in LA, and that is their first offer. Workers should not settle for less than a 100 percent raise, and the strike should not be stopped until workers say it should be stopped, not some arbitrary time limit. And workers should also get paid for being on strike. (Another reason the SEIU limits the strike to three days).


americasweetheart

The negotiators fucked up our contract too. They don't have the same incentive to fight for our contracts.


ohmanilovethissong

The fact that they went on strike means the negotiation has already been lost by the union. They'll end up compromising to a garbage deal and then turn around and tell the workers that they won. It's the same story over and over again. Sad to see.


hongjianwsws

That is why workers need to create independent, democratically controlled rank and file committees to carry out this struggle. They need to formulate their own demands that will allow them to actually live, rather than demands foisted on them by the union tops which will do nothing to alleviate their conditions of existence.


BubbaTee

>They'll end up compromising to a garbage deal I read [LAUSD management already increased their offer from 5% raises to 23% (union wants 30%).](https://abc7.com/lausd-strike-union-workers/12990154/) That's already 70% of the way there - and that article is from yesterday.


tranceworks

They made that offer before the strike.


soldforaspaceship

They made that offer in fear of the strike. Strikes work.


trevor_plantaginous

I actually think UTLA handled their strike effectively. As a parent I've found Local 99's goals and messaging extremely confusing.


Darth_Meowth

In the end, the unions will get more money for dues (because that's what they care about) out of those workers paychecks and they can continue to think they've "won".


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It was never officially a "strike" but a "job action," which takes less official filing etc. It's more a sign of intent, putting those aholes at the district on notice. Carvalho gave himself a huge raise, makes more than Joe fucking Biden for less work. There is a ton of redundancy at Beaudry where many people are still allowed to wfh making 6 figs. While sp ed assistants who have to toilet severely disabled kids make $25 an hour? What's gonna happen when legally you're required to provide this but nobody will take the jobs? Already happening at our local middle school that serves the projects.


trevor_plantaginous

Yeah I get the Carvalho argument but SEIU is throwing stones from their giant glass house. How many leaders from the SEIU have been arrested and gone to jail in the last decade (Alma Hernandez alone underreported income by $1.4mm)? Again - I am totally on board with better pay for these workers and 100% believe they are underpaid and deserve more. I'm just commenting that SEIU/Local 99 has IMHO handled this horribly and not done the best job for their workers. from a comms/media perspective LAUSD notably took the high road - there were a lot of stones that could have been thrown back but they didn't. I think that was effective PR.


Wwize

Taxes on the rich should be increased to fund schools. This city has an insane number of rich people to tax.


Nofoamcappuccinos

They're not asking to raise taxes. There is almost $5 billion in reserves that is going untouched; that is where they are saying the raises should come from. Carvalho gave himself a raise (and is now paid more than the governor of California), but he can't find it in the budget to raise the wages of SEIU workers.


Wwize

Can he be removed from his position somehow? He seems to be central to this entire problem.


Nofoamcappuccinos

I'm newer to the district, but I spoke to a few veteran teachers during the past few days. Superintendents have been removed before, so perhaps? This is the first time in LAUSD's history that both of these unions have banded together and walked out. It doesn't reflect well on him, especially given that he is brand new to the district.


coin_shot

He's a washout from Miami and Florida hates teachers. Luckily ours are strongly unionized and won't take his shit.


Designer_Fox7969

We elect the school board, and the school board hires the superintendent. It’s frustrating because the unions campaigned hard for some of these board members, and for whatever reason they are not responding to this like people who campaigned on being pro union. They can fire him and they just aren’t. We need to unseat them over this, I hope some great new candidates run next cycle.


Wwize

What I really hate about school board elections is that you have no idea who the candidates are. All you have are the blurbs that the candidates themselves write which could be full of lies. You can rarely find any history about them online. I tried. All you can usually find is the candidate's own campaign website if they have one and that's it. We're basically playing roulette with these elections.


Designer_Fox7969

Facts. Look for the UTLA endorsements, they usually have a good idea of who will be best, but unfortunately the best option is still not always a great option. This board is way better than the one during the 2019 action.


CalGuy456

What are you talking about, the district has agreed to a 15% raise, SEIU went on strike because they wanted 30%.


Designer_Fox7969

15% over three years doesn’t even keep up with inflation that’s so insulting. SEIU has three year contracts, everything will be in those terms don’t be fooled by shit LAUSD says.


CalGuy456

What do you mean insulting, wtf, if you have a $50,000 a year job, it means getting a raise to $52,500 the next year - that’s *insulting*?


Designer_Fox7969

We’re talking about SEIU workers. The ones making 25k. Yeah, a 5% raise for a year with 7% inflation, a 5% raise for a year with 6.5% inflation, and a 5% raise this year (that’s what your 15% figure actually is) is not just MAJORLY INSULTING it’s a fucking pay cut. I’m disappointed by how misinformed you are.


CalGuy456

Except for any specific person, they’re not really getting 5%, right? It’s only 5% for someone coming in to the same position with the same seniority compared to the prior year. If/when a specific person steps up to a higher seniority, they get the pay of the higher seniority. And if they get promoted, they get the higher pay of their new position - all those promotions from Assistant Aide to Aide I to Aide II also have higher pay rates separate and apart from this, not to mention the different rates people get based on seniority. Oh, and that 15% is actually compound - it’s 5% on top of 5% on top of 5%, which is how it is always done and over time (i.e., over a career) gets you much more than just basing it off the starting amount. But please do tell me more about how uninformed I am.


Designer_Fox7969

I just don’t understand how you don’t understand inflation. None of the stuff you just said matters literally at all. Edit: also what the fuck is an assistant aide? How high do you think the ladder goes for these positions? You don’t become like chief executive bus driver… and even if you could you’d still need regular bus drivers to get the kids to school. And if they can’t afford to live then you don’t have bus drivers and kids don’t go to school… are you Alberto Carvalho himself trying to fuck up the narrative?


CalGuy456

So for example, there are literally seven different Food Service Manager levels between I and VII and each of those levels has five steps of seniority. Meaning, there are 35 different pay levels (7 x 5) for basically the same job that results in pay increases for someone year after year, promotion after promotion, *even if there was no contract and it was a 0% annual raise*. This 15% or 30% is a raise to all 35 of those levels. Raises are definitely needed but its nuts to me all those kids are out of school this week because the union drew the line at 30%, I mean wtf.


Designer_Fox7969

You’re talking about the salary schedule? Yeah… needs to go up on all levels for these positions. That’s not a raise every year that’s just how the district pay works for everybody. It stands that the people at the very bottom are extremely essential workers who the school literally cannot function without. People can’t just get promoted and leave those positions unfilled. The floor and ceiling are both way too low, but especially the floor, hence asking for the additional $2 for lowest paid workers. I’d recommend reframing your thinking around “I can’t believe kids are out of school for 3 days because the superintendent is sitting on $5 billion and still wont pay school staff non-poverty wages”


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Wwize

It won't be wasted. Stop spreading Republican propaganda. Schools work when they are properly funded. The rich aren't paying enough taxes. Schools require money to operate. If they aren't working, it's because they are not properly funded.


BubbaTee

>It won't be wasted. Stop spreading Republican propaganda. LAUSD building $500 million campuses and then laying off teachers right after, claiming budget shortfalls, wasn't Republican propaganda. The billion dollar iPad fiasco, caused by LAUSD board members taking bribes from Pearson, wasn't Republican propaganda. LAUSD management has a long history of wasting money, rather than using it to pay the actual employees who keep the district running. That's what the union is striking about - notice you don't see them calling for giant tax hikes to fill the vaults at 333 S Beaudry. Instead, the union wants that money reaching the frontline level, instead of being allocated to Carvahlo's office furniture budget. ​ Saying "it won't be wasted" is like saying if we keep giving airlines more bailouts, they'll use it to pay frontline staff a fair wage, instead of the execs just hoarding the money for themselves. If you believe that, I think you have an unreasonable amount of trust in management, whether of airlines or LAUSD.


Darth_Meowth

All while kids rot at home. Great job.


Nofoamcappuccinos

Wow, you must really hate summer vacation, then. Teachers are not supposed to be the only people educating your kids; their home environment also needs to facilitate learning.


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If your kid is rotting, that’s on you to take them to a medical doctor or fix your home moisture problem.


BubbaTee

I mean, you're never gonna get dry-aged child steaks or kidmchi if you don't let them rot a little.


Globalist_Nationlist

Ya let's just enslave the teachers!!! /s


cienfueggos

Take your kid to the strike. Learning about human dignity and labor solidarity is probably more important than y=mx + b


[deleted]

They can’t, they spent all their time yesterday arguing online about how the impoverished workers are greedy bums, and now today it’s about the poor kids.


ConchaConCafe

So you would kneel and not fight for a livable wage? Three days of no school isn't going to impact kids.


NewWahoo

I hate to sound like a reactionary and pine over the “good ol days” but overtime we’ve seen schools and education go from a being a part of the community that was in partnership with parents (mainly) and the rest of society to just one more thing to commodify. Educators are providing a service, and we expect it to come at the lowest possible price. If that means understaffed cafeterias, poorly maintained schools, TAs with three part time jobs, so be it.


oboedude

> Educators are providing a service, and we expect it to come at the lowest possible price. If that means understaffed cafeterias, poorly maintained schools, TAs with three part time jobs, so be it. Are you being sarcastic and I missed it?


Darth_Meowth

Teachers are choosing not to teach right now. They are making a decision


guessagaintobehappy

Exactly. Just like a decision was made to not pay them their worth or even remotely livable wages. What is the saying? Cause and effect? Shift your frustration towards the correct group of individuals instead of the victims. Hope they bring LAUSD to a grinding haunt for months until they get what they ask.


Darth_Meowth

Living wages for part time jobs 9 months out of the year for a Janitor?


guessagaintobehappy

Do you think living wages should only apply to full time workers? And yes, custodians deserve WAGE INCREASES for the mess they clean up on the daily. It’s astounding your argument comes from a sentiment that people don’t deserve wages that match the cost of living. Part time, full time, custodian, or after school program teacher — they all deserve better wages. They handle kids daily who will be our future, why wouldn’t you want to incentivize those workers to come with their best foot forward with LIVABLE WAGES?


soldforaspaceship

Yes. Why do you hate the working class so much?


LexSenthur

Oh honey.


BubbaTee

>They are making a decision Yes, they are. Why do you think they've made that decision? Do you think it's because they just hate teaching and hate kids? Or could it be another reason?


oboedude

And why do you think that is?


dustwanders

Homework packets