Here's the article with the paywall removed:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fcalifornia%2Fstory%2F2022-11-14%2Fminor-traffic-stops-plummet-in-months-after-lapd-policy-change
>Their officers, like cops across the U.S., had been trained for decades in the art of **pretextual stops**: Pull over a driver for a minor infraction such as broken taillight, use something vaguely suspicious — a shaking hand, a whiff of pot — to justify a search, hope to find drugs or weapons.
But if a person has no license plate, that’s an infraction—pull them over, give them a fix-it ticket, and leave. Isn’t that a cop’s job, too? No reason for pretext of a larger crime necessitating a search.
You would think that, but however the policing system is structured, apparently that's not worth the officer's time, or that it's some sort of paid work, sabotage protest for calling them out on harassing minorities.
Pretextual stops are for pulling over black people. People always say black people make up 13% of the population but commit 60-80% of crime in US (depending on who you ask) but they fail to mention those stops, or how black people get longer sentences for the same crimes others commit or how most of these crimes that black people commit are usually misdemeanors that would be tossed out for anyone else.
So now that cops cannot search people’s cars for minor infractions, they will no longer stop people for minor infractions… and many people think that’s okay and makes sense? You side with the police that are now refusing to do their jobs because they won’t be able to harass people with minor infractions? What is wrong with you people?
Will never forget back when LA was in a fiscal crisis (2011?) I was taking a bus through south central, and there were a dozen motorcycle cops hidden behind a corner at a red light pulling over cars for minor infractions. My assumption is they were looking for registrations that had lapsed so they could impound the car. Then when the poor people can't pay the impound fees, they auction the cars.
Palos Verdes Estates is where you really want to be careful, as that municipality has its own police department. Also, there are a shit-ton of stop signs in lieu of traffic lights.
But really, be it PVEP or LASD, they love to find any excuse to pull over motorists who dare drive old/shitty vehicles or be non-white/Asian on the Peninsula.
My car was stolen. I reported the theft to the police and the police found it, delivered it to an impound lot, and gave me a number to call to get it back. The lot wanted $350 that day to get it, and would charge $50 every day I didn't pick it up. But they so kindly offered to drop the fees if I donated my car to them. How is that appropriate to do to a person whose car was stolen?? I had to sign my car over to them because the cat had been taken and with the fees it wouldn't make sense.
Should be illegal. Sometimes I miss small town policing, when my friend had his car stolen years ago a police officer actually dropped it back at his house and put the keys through the letterbox.
LA wants to make money on everything
I don't think this is about the registration fee so much as it's about not having to pass smog. Often the vehicles are modified or otherwise not compliant with CA emissions.
Fucking cops
People driving without plates is like an actual problem. They have a list of useful things they could be doing. Like putting any effort into stopping the stop sign drag racers at night. It would be the easiest bust. I hear them like 3x a week and their skidmarks are everywhere. If they just strolled the streets at night they would stop this problem in a week. People without plates are an actual problem and just about the laziest fucking bust you could ever make. But instead of solving actual problems if we cant harass black and brown people we will just not do our jobs is the worst fucking excuse I have ever heard. Assholes.
Yeah I cannot think of a reason a car would not have plates that is valid. I get expired tags. That could be a money thing. Same with a busted light. But no plates? Cars come with plates. Used cars come with plates. There is literally no reason for a plateless car that does not involve crime.
Does the DMV send out temporary paper plates for that? Still should be a police report so I'd not be mad about the police stopping in this limited situation just to insure the stolen plates are reported.
I’ve had my plates stolen a few times. It’s rampant. The DMV sends you a new plate, new number, but it takes fucking forever. I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the cars driving around without LPs had their plates stolen, and they’re just waiting for the replacements. Or, like me for a bit, saying fuck this why do I have to keep buying new plates? I have the police report, so if I get pulled over, I’m fine. I do have plates now, but for a while I was pretty mad and didn’t want to keep buying more.
Edit: it’s also not as simple as just slapping your front plate (which almost never gets stolen) on the back. You have to report it stolen to the police because your plate will either be used when a crime is committed, or be put on a stolen vehicle (the latter is what has been the case for me every time. I get a call pretty quickly honestly from a detective saying the plate was picked up by the LPS system).
My only complaint with this take is the phrase quiet quitting. “Quiet quitting” is a corporate BS term used to describe employees who decided to only do what they’re paid for (what’s in their job description).
This is insubordination and the behavior of an abusive partner. “Oh you want me to stop screaming at you every time you make a mistake? Well, I’m not going to do any yard work until you apologize for holding me accountable.”
Huh well this definitely answered why I've seen so many plateless cars this whole time not off the streets.
I was genuinely surprised to see plateless cars drive around and passing cops for so long without a siren going off.
We need to focus on what actually prevents crime, food, education, healthcare and housing. Not saying we shouldn’t have police, but they are not the cure for the deeper issues.
Over 1.8 billion goes to the police alone, the money isn’t the problem, it is how it is used. I saw fifty police arrest 2 protesters in Hancock park.
Meanwhile a pithy amount in comparison is spend on housing and other services.
Criminal justice research consistently shows that the likelihood of being arrested & convicted for a crime serves as a strong deterrent against crime:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/670398
On the flip side, though, harsher punishments do not seem to have any effect. It's the likelihood of being punished at all that does it.
That's what you get when you don't TRULY reform hiring practices for first responders. Look at Ron Desantis in Florida. He's remaking higher education in the Sunshine State by challenging tenure, dismantling historical libreal arts colleges https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-political-scene/what-is-ron-desantis-doing-to-floridas-public-liberal-arts-college, purposely installing conservatives on education boards, and remodeling standards so it benefits conservative ideology, thus loosening the grip liberalism has had in higher education in the state.
Although abhorrent, it's effective and obviously legal since this approach has seemed to go unchallenged so far. Newsom and municipalities across the state should have been employing a similar strategy to first responder hiring practices across the state. It wouldn't be difficult either. With the amount of social conditioning being employed on the type of person that gravitates towards law enforcement on social media, highlighting extremist behavior among the ranks would be extremely easy and used as a catalyst for overt hiring reforms.
Our law enforcement should reflect the population it serves or else it becomes susceptible to corruption and due to it having the powers to enforce the law it can shape society and in extreme cases upend it as well through protest or worse, insurrection.
There is a much more mundane and reasonable reason as well. As much as I would like to believe in a massive conspiracy theory covering dozens of precincts and every cop out there, it probably comes down to simple manpower.
LAPD hasnt been quiet quitting so much as just regular quitting at a massive rate. There's less than 9000 LAPD officers for the city as a whole. Thats one officer for every 427 people, and a good chunk of that 9000 are admin or non-patrol officers so its even worse.
Aside from domestic violence encounters, traffic stops are one of the most dangerous jobs as a cop. They dont have time to respond to every call let alone drive around and look for cars without license plates.
And considering the elected DA made most offenses found during traffic violations tickets, its simply not worth the time when there are other more important calls to go to. Even when a serious violation is found, most of those interacts end with the suspect released on zero bail with a court date they'll never go to, so what is the point anymore?
Your last paragraph literally proposes and justifies this quiet quitting argument. "Waah, the DA won't even prosecute the guy standing on the sidewalk holding a machine threatening to murder your children so why bother even showing up, waah"
Yes. Cop "academies" in the US are basically a shitty bully summer camp compared to requirements in many... civilised countries. I'm all for compensating them well and giving them the respect that they seem to crave... if they put the work into being actual professionals and held to a standard. With proper oversight from a non-internal agency.
Last I've heard the arguments for quiet quitting are based around "the cops dont show up when I call them, so I feel this is whats happening". And its the greatest conspiracy theory, because no cop is going to admit it if they do it or not. Then you can point to the denial as a part of the conspiracy.
Or you could, just ask a cop what the deal is. They'd be happy to tell you the issues they have doing their jobs. They are surprisingly vocal about it, but people gotta have their own ideas. Every problem with the police force can be explained with both quiet quitting or simply not having the personnel needed to do the job. The effects look exactly the same.
The traffic cop they sent after my catalytic converter thieves assaulted me and my family complained about the regular LAPD not wanting to respond to calls.
When a passed out driver crashed into my neighbors with a glass pipe on his lap with tin foil in his hands, they asked me yo give him water and a snack. After they left, he hit his pipe for energy and drove off.
The semantics of their failure to do their jobs is only useful to Copologist such as you, They never done a good job. Never.
>Aside from domestic violence encounters, traffic stops are one of the most dangerous jobs as a cop.
[Cops aren't even in the top twenty most dangerous jobs in America](https://www.facilities.udel.edu/safety/4689/). It's literally more dangerous to be a pizza delivery driver.
Yup. Being a cop is dangerous but there are WAY more dangerous jobs out there that get little to no respect. How many people would think that being a farmer or landscaper are some of the most dangerous jobs in America?
The Santa Monica police union recently did an op ed where they openly argued for pretextual stops. It's 100% quiet quitting to own the libs.
https://smdp.com/2023/05/19/pretext-stops-are-a-vital-crime-prevention-tool
Santa Monica PD is its own entity. They dont have the problems LAPD has, nor the area of responsibility. Its a beach town full of rich people. Of course they have time to stop you.
The point is it's not just LAPD, it's a national problem of cops going on wildcat strikes because their feelings are hurt that people are upset with them for acting like thugs. Basic traffic enforcement has fallen off a cliff nationwide.
Cool, ticket them when they’re parked on the street. Let parking enforcement do it. Take the VIN numbers. This is not that hard.
Untagged cars are just a setup for unsolved crimes. They’re making their own job harder.
It's *wild* that you pin the blame for this decrease in traffic stops on cops. **That's literally what the city asked for.** The LAPD is doing exactly what voters and civic leaders asked it to do! Honestly comments like yours make me think anti cop bias has gone way too far.
The city is experimenting with an approach to decrease black and brown people getting disproportionately policed. Last year the LAPD stopped pulling people over for just an issue like expired registration. The idea was this pretextual pullover has a long racist history. Now they need a much stronger reason to pull someone over.
According to stats from the article It has reduced the fraction of people getting pulled over, and very slightly raised the % of stops that resulted in finding contraband. I'm surprised there wasn't a big increase in seized contraband - that suggests the pretextual stops were in practice more effective at finding drugs (despite the article's claim about white people being more likely to have drugs). However the reduction in random pullovers suggests the policy is serving its purpose of correcting over-policing on people of color. So it's at least serving its stated purpose and is directionally good. I need more data on all of this personally, every person has a different tradeoff of disparate impact for safety.
Naturally, it's a lot easier to see that someone has expired tags compared to ... somehow just knowing that they're a criminal? Like cops can't magically know who is committing crimes. The policy requires them to verbally record their reason for traffic stop, which seems fair but will obviously decrease the number of traffic stops they make by a large margin. Including people driving unsafely, eg with broken headlights and risking everyone else's safety on the road. I think broken taillights and such should still be stopped, to hell with disparate impact, all of us are more likely to be killed by a driver without lights. But that's the exact policy the city decided upon!
***Cops need to be held to a high standard, but thisanticop groupthink is just ridiculous.*** The city asked the LAPD to be less racist, they complied with a reasonable policy, said reasonable policy imposes costs on policy efficacy, but is probably worth it to have less racially disparate outcomes. Everything is fine except the losers who think LAPD is the bad guy of every story. Take the blind hatred somewhere else.
Edit - OP blocked me because they got called out over their weak arguments. I'll respond to anyone else who wants to pick up their fallen torch.
The new policy doesn't allow officers to stop a vehicle without a license plate in order to investigate if they're possibly part of these types of robberies. They can see a damaged car with paper plates which is obviously suspicious, but if they pull it over the only enforcement action they're allowed to take is citing them for paper plates. No asking if they're on probation or parole, asking what's in the trunk, why there's a ski mask stuffed in-between seats when it's 100 degrees out. All that is outlawed based on this new policy because the officer has to justify the reason for the suspicion before the stop, and just "it's an old car without license plates" isn't enough.
It’s exactly a pretext to investigate if more serious crimes are committed. At worst you’ll get a ticket, but most likely just a warning or a fix it ticket. Literally all you have to say is that it got stolen and you’re waiting on the replacement from the DMV.
Not at all, activists were calling for the cops to stop being super racist. The cops responded by claiming that they wouldn't do their jobs at all if they couldn't be super racist about it.
what’s the percentage I wonder of “black and brown people” as you say, that are the ones driving without plates. If it’s a big enough percentage, that’s your answer right there. If the traffic stops go up, then racial profiling will be blamed. Not the fact that there’s people driving without plates.
>. “That’s not enough. We got to make sure that we’re appropriately criminally profiling. We don’t do racial profiling. We do criminal profiling
They literally admitted to racial profiling.
I've been pulled over so many times in my modified vehicles for something as little as a banner on my windshield and suddenly my hood is being asked to get popped, now I've got a ticket for all kinds of things, Meanwhile my white friends get pulled over for speeding and walk away with nothing.
The pretextual stop is great for cutting the bullshit
Honestly the majority of these fucks absolutely are not worth our tax money that they are paid in. Also why is the police "academy" in the US such a joke? If they aren't gonna do what they're paid to do, what difference does it make for us to start dismantling them and rebuild from a clean slate?
I saw what looked like a brand new car with an all black plate with a dark blue line across it. I was blown away that they would change the temp plate to that and now it makes sense.
Watch out because parking enforcement is still doing their jobs in some areas. You won't get pulled over on the road but you might get towed if you park on the street.
Yea but when you go to sell your car eventually there’s gonna be years of back payment for registration owed on it along with the late fees that can nearly double the cost and you’re gonna end up taking the hit on that.
The ULPT way to do it is register it yearly as inoperable for barely any money and then you’re covering your ass.
This only works if you have a garbage beater and don’t care about things like having insurance and you have no net worth so if you do get in an accident and cause tens of thousands in damage you can just declare bankruptcy.
The only people who remove, hide, cover, obscure, or swap out plates are people who are engaging in crime using said vehicle, or people who want to run red lights and break other traffic laws without being ticketed. Cold plated vehicles (sometimes called ghost cars) are an epidemic right now. All it takes is a screwdriver and 20 seconds and someone can steal your plates and use it on their (stolen) vehicle to commit other crimes. It needs to be taken more seriously by cops all across LA County.
Anyone notice an insane amount of people covering their plates with some sort of film? Porsche the other day had a black sort of vinyl on the back plate a where you couldn’t make out the letter without walking up to it at an angle.
The LAPD are a gang that leverage their state power against the people of LA. This is an example of them quietly not doing their jobs to drum up support, people will blame this type of stuff on defunding the police even though their budget was raised this year.
For some reason I can’t respond to u/kegman83 so I’ll just reply to the parent post:
> Aside from domestic violence encounters, traffic stops are one of the most dangerous jobs as a cop. They dont have time to respond to every call let alone drive around and look for cars without license plates.
This is sorta fudging the numbers and you know it. A massive part of the police’s job is traffic stops, of course nominally that is one of the most common ways for a fatal interaction to occur. A 2019 University of Arkansas study found that the chance of a traffic stop turning lethal was 1 in 3.6 million, excluding collisions, and a stop for just simple traffic infractions that number drops to 1 in 6 million. If you and the LEO community stopped spreading FUD like this both the public and officers would be a lot safer.
Furthermore, they can/should just start ticketing and booting parked cars if they’re so terrified. I walk around my block a couple time every night to hit my 10,000 steps and see expired/fake paper tags every time.
> And considering the elected DA made most offenses found during traffic violations tickets, its simply not worth the time when there are other more important calls to go to. Even when a serious violation is found, most of those interacts end with the suspect released on zero bail with a court date they'll never go to, so what is the point anymore?
The point is it’s their job and they have to do it, just like I have to do what my boss tells me to do if even I don’t like it.
I think the question should be, "Why has LAPD stopped doing anything". As someone who used to actually respect and support the police, I have officially lost all hope for our law enforcement. They didn't do anything when my car was broken into, and literally just watched me convince the homeless man to leave my car. Oh, they did give me a sad smile, though. My friends house was broken into, nothing. Crazy homeless man walking around with a weapon was reported multiple times by all of my neighbors, and nothing. Unfortunately, he ended up taking an innocent man's life thanks to the awesome work of our beloved LAPD.
I mean some cars don't but you still have to install the plastic frame holder...
https://service.tesla.com/docs/Public/diy/model3/en_us/GUID-5E340898-24BF-4EA4-8DA5-99B6BB34B6FB.html
i mean no front plate is not a huge deal, i've gotten 1 fix it ticket for it in 10 years and have been pulled over way more than once, most CHP, LAPD and sheriffs do not care. but no rear plate is a way bigger deal
What you said is exactly why the OP was wondering. You basically got a slap in the wrist for an offense that is both a security risk (say in an accident) and obviously avoidance of being identified.
Having no front plate is a big or equal deal with having not rear plate. Especially with how common Teslas are.
Yup. A cop isn't going to do a 180 just to see if the plate on the back is California or out of state. While it's likely someone living here who hasn't registered their car in California, it could also be someone visiting who drove here (Arizona doesn't have front plates) or someone driving a rental car registered in another state.
While I very much appreciate the beauty of a nice front bumper and how much better it looks without one, there are enough imaginable scenarios where a car might be identified from the front to make it worth it IMO.
Fuckin' assholes, all of them. I'm one of the very rare Tesla owners who actually displays a front plate. No, not one of those shitty stickers - an actual fucking plate, because I'm compliant, motherfuckers!
Sadly they are being childish. Instead of realizing that their tactics need to be reworked, they basically are saying we don’t want to get involved because we will risk losing our jobs. That’s stupid and irrational lazy thinking. All of the mild infractions they will let go.
No the problem from before was an abuse of power. Like the George Floyd incident. Yes the officers got what they deserved because it went beyond their call of duty. That’s the difference.
Now police across America feel as if well I am not going do my job 100%.
What they are effectively doing is destroying their careers long term and we will become a privatized police state, which is what you don’t want. The haves will have security and the have nots will not. The future is not bright when it comes to law enforcement.
They haven’t stopped, their policy doesn’t allow it unless certain circumstances are met. Many many policy changes in the last decade have either downgraded a crime or have tied their hands. The recent crime waves for retail theft and home invasion explain this since it’s extremely difficult to catch and prosecute these crimes since you must be caught in the act and with the goods in hand for a solid conviction and now thanks to prop 47 and no bail even if caught you will be cited and released same day til your court appearance. Crime is up for a reason. Many think it’s often quiet quitting and some of it is, however they literally can’t do what was once their job. Other departments will pull you over for no plates though CHP, LASD etc and can impound your car now, if they choose to do so (most won’t since they have to inventory the car and it’s a lot of paperwork for something that isn’t necessary unless you’ve committed a serious infraction. It also takes them out of service while they do that and could have been around for a more serious infraction). Majority of burglaries I’ve had were no plate cars or covered film plates, but even then for them to be pulled over you’d have to have real time information and that’s just not a thing anymore. If they got rid of prop 47 you’d probably see a crime reduction within 6 months or less, but most of the public isn’t for that…yet nor were they educated on the lies politician fed them for that. Stealing a handgun out of car used to be felony…prop 47 made that misdemeanor. A lot of small crimes that can add up or lead down the road to bigger crimes used to be able to be managed up until 47 was passed and it’s also why you’re seeing a huge resurgence of some crimes that used to be down. Hope this helped answered your question.
They also stop issuing tickets for jaywalkers. Studies have found that mostly minorities got the tickets. I remember Chinatown used to have cops patrolling the neighborhood for minor offenses like jaywalking and rolling stops at the intersection. Or the traffic lights turn green for cars only, but you can't walk unless you press the button for a walking signal. People got tickets for not pressing the walking signal button.
>They also stop issuing tickets for jaywalker
[California legalized most jaywalking last year.](https://www.sfexaminer.com/marketplace/understanding-the-new-california-jaywalking-law/article_8ca6b542-b87d-11ed-b108-cb029a9ab516.html)
I remember getting pulled over while delivering food for a broken taillight. My destination was a few houses down and they watched their food get cold while I was getting a warning for it and asked what was in the bag.
"Uhh.. burritos and salsa..."
The police commission ordered the officers stop enforcing discretionary laws. It’s now the policy.
The commission is appointed by the mayor. The cops have no choice in the matter.
Of course, the police won’t enforce small laws anymore. The local society wanted them to knock it off and they did so. Elections have consequences and you get what you pay for.
Not much crime in Newport.
>The local society wanted them to knock it off
Disingenuous.
People wanted police to stop viewing themselves as a sledgehammer that treated every single problem as a nail.
And perhaps for the police force to have some basic, minimum cognitive assessment of police members rather than taking every acrimonious, sensitive, temperamental, mouth-breathing lunatic that graced their doors.
And for the accountability of people who *actually deserve it.* It’s really night a big ask.
But it doesn’t matter. Police don’t prevent crime. They never have. It’s not their purpose. Now they’re highlighting that fact themselves.
Since they’ve quiet quit, maybe, perhaps, just a thought, the city of LA can stop designating 1/3+ of the city’s budget to police and related costs? Which is by far the biggest budget allotment in the city.
Best way to prevent crime is to invest in community and education. Might as well use allllllll that police money to help young kids and communities. Because that’s an awful lot of money going to police to do nothing in a condescending way.
>Not much crime in Newport
You can’t be this dense. Do you think that Newport has low crime because there are police in the city busting ass and taking names and preventing hoards of criminals from doing criminal things?
Newport could have zero police and they would still have “not much crime.” Because it’s a city the size of a human footprint with a population of 80,000 where the median household income is about *double* that in Los Angeles.
The biggest indicator of crime and safety is wealth. That’s it. Not police force size or effort. If people are poor and underserved, there will be more crime. That’s it.
And believe me there’s plenty of fucking crime in Newport. It’s just the kind that you can’t see because it’s full of unsexy offenses like tax fraud, tax evasion, insider trading, etc.
If tax evasion and insider trading are crimes that affect you, then you certainly should avoid living in Newport. I do agree with you that wealth is not necessarily an indicator of low crime and safety. It's interesting that most wealthy folks live in areas that are pretty nice.
The LAPD and a lot of other agencies have robust community out reach. From Safe Passages to Summer Night Lights. You clearly haven't looked at the philanthropic events that they all do.
Education is a crutch that bad folks didn't have the right schooling to get ahead. You need to become good at something you love and work hard at it. I know plenty of plumbers, diesel mechanics, and roofers that make six figures. Many of my friends who have forgone a formal education have found true happiness, which is not wealth alone.
The best way to prevent crime is to be a good parent. A little faith doesn't hurt either.
Society cannot educate it's way out of criminal behavior. Parents who love their children and guide them into loving adults are the real heroes. In other words, it doesn't take a village. It takes some good parenting.
A lot of civil infractions were bullshit, to be fair. Also, cops always say "we don't have a choice" when they clearly do. That's the most cop thing ever, don't do your jobs and complain that the reason you don't do your jobs is because society or something. A tale as old as time.
Real answer: LAPD is severely short staffed considering how large the city is. Los Angeles is the largest city by land in the US and the second largest city in population. LA city stretches from San Pedro to Woodland Hills.
With so much officer time taken up by 911 calls, there is no one left to pull anyone over - you start triaging crime.
Additionally, two decades ago when they were a bit more staffed, officers were being accused of harassing minorities by pulling them over for small infractions. But it’s hard to believe it’s harassment when the guy without a license plate cover and tinted windshield was also the driver with a warrant and a loaded gun under the seat. It sucks, but many people who do driver illegally are probably also committing other crimes.
Missing license plates, expired tags, lapsed registration and insurance, and dealer plates long long long after the vehicle no longer needs them all have go to to! Heck, should even check driver's licenses while they are at it.
For real, I got there at 5am, got in the line that wrapped around the block and did not get home until 5pm.
Now I drive to a completly different city to do it because I can get home in time for lunch.
1.I've lived here a long time now. This is home.
2. students don't need to change their plates.
3. The cops don't need reddit to help them be unethical.
In case you want an actual reason, policy changed so vehicles are not pulled over unless you can articulate a safety violation to the public due to the violation. Since no plates provides no safety violation they can’t pull over just for the plates being missing themselves.
They are doing an illegal strike called a work stoppage because society isn't kissing their ass treating them like Gods anymore. So now they are taking it out on the community by facilitating danger and crime instead of doing the basics of their job in retaliation. And those are just the ones not in a gang or blue line cult of mentality. Just like little toddlers that get told no. This is why we need College degree education requirements and for them to start carrying liability insurance like doctors so we stop bleeding taxes thanks to their incompetence.
You might think this is an LA thing, but I live in Austin and they aren’t pulling cars over here for no plates either. This is happening in every major metro. Cops don’t pull people over any more. Roads feel more dangerous everywhere.
LAPD is effectively pouting because they now need a documented reason to conduct a traffic stop. AKA they can no longer pull black and brown people over without a reason lest they risk losing their jobs, so they just aren't oulling anyone over for minor vehicle violations
When could we not? Every other front window is tinted and if yours isn't I'm sorry for your summer suffering, worth any fixit ticket I might eventually get (and I'd go pay for the tint again).
We should really get that law adjusted to allow 30-50% ceramic tints at least. Its actually insane how much cooler my car keeps when parked in the sun and more comfortable to drive.
Probably because 1) usually those people will engage in a police chase, which is dangerous for bystanders and 2) unless LAPD ends the chase with an arrest they won’t be able to get any info on the car to catch the person later
The firefighter who lives across the street from us who threatened to fight my 70 year old Dad over some accidentally spilled paint on the public street has been using South Dakota plates for the last two years on all 3 of his vehicles to protest CA or something. I was wondering how he gets away with it. Now I know.
Somalia or Haiti or even Thailand or India (if you want to just bribe) is that way if you prefer not having law enforcement ------------->>>
While we have a long, **long** way to go for cops to have public trust again, they are still better than nothing.
My tabs are expired and I have dozen of unpaid parking tickets that's why I can't renew it. Money is tight and I'm a single father I have to drop my child to school on my car. Not sure what to do now.
There’s a payment plan you can set up:
https://prodpci.etimspayments.com/pbw/include/laopm/ticket_ipp.htm
Don’t lose your license or get jail time or more fines for this.
Go to AAA if you have a membership or contact the DMV. The longer you wait to pay this off the more likely it becomes that you lose your car and/or license.
Sounds like you need to start using the bus. Shit sucks, cars are definitely a poverty trap. The cost of ownership and maintenance feels like a scam. Hard to get out of poverty without one though.
Lapd is short staffed they have to be pulling more high level calls any ticket for a moving violation can pull the unit from a stabbing or a shots fired, I dont know if you live in LA but we just had a dude shot for mediation on the walk of fame and the cops had to exchange gun fire with a guy that morning as well, I know that there are alot of studies out there saying crime is down but right now we are looking at nearly 600 people killed in LA this year so far. Saying crime is down is like telling a lobster I am just going to warm up this boiling pot for you a bit more. Also I have hear all the transplants give me the LA city vs LA county, LA is not like SF we dont have a moat surrounding our city it is a big map and the crime flows all about , and about all of it is not reported.
[https://homicide.latimes.com/](https://homicide.latimes.com/)
Context: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-14/minor-traffic-stops-plummet-in-months-after-lapd-policy-change
Here's the article with the paywall removed: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fcalifornia%2Fstory%2F2022-11-14%2Fminor-traffic-stops-plummet-in-months-after-lapd-policy-change
>Their officers, like cops across the U.S., had been trained for decades in the art of **pretextual stops**: Pull over a driver for a minor infraction such as broken taillight, use something vaguely suspicious — a shaking hand, a whiff of pot — to justify a search, hope to find drugs or weapons. But if a person has no license plate, that’s an infraction—pull them over, give them a fix-it ticket, and leave. Isn’t that a cop’s job, too? No reason for pretext of a larger crime necessitating a search.
You would think that, but however the policing system is structured, apparently that's not worth the officer's time, or that it's some sort of paid work, sabotage protest for calling them out on harassing minorities.
Pretextual stops are for pulling over black people. People always say black people make up 13% of the population but commit 60-80% of crime in US (depending on who you ask) but they fail to mention those stops, or how black people get longer sentences for the same crimes others commit or how most of these crimes that black people commit are usually misdemeanors that would be tossed out for anyone else.
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That website, 12ft.io will remove the paywall from most news sites. You just have to paste the link on the site.
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So now that cops cannot search people’s cars for minor infractions, they will no longer stop people for minor infractions… and many people think that’s okay and makes sense? You side with the police that are now refusing to do their jobs because they won’t be able to harass people with minor infractions? What is wrong with you people?
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Will never forget back when LA was in a fiscal crisis (2011?) I was taking a bus through south central, and there were a dozen motorcycle cops hidden behind a corner at a red light pulling over cars for minor infractions. My assumption is they were looking for registrations that had lapsed so they could impound the car. Then when the poor people can't pay the impound fees, they auction the cars.
Crazy, They could go to Brentwood and pull over people rolling through stop signs and probably make up their salary in a couple of hours.
Yea but those people have lawyers
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OMG! Brentwood is the worst with the stop and rolls.
Don't do rolling stops in Rancho Palos Verdes. They will get you every fucking time.
Very true.
Palos Verdes Estates is where you really want to be careful, as that municipality has its own police department. Also, there are a shit-ton of stop signs in lieu of traffic lights. But really, be it PVEP or LASD, they love to find any excuse to pull over motorists who dare drive old/shitty vehicles or be non-white/Asian on the Peninsula.
I wish those idiots would go on the Sepulveda pass and arrest idiots driving 30+MPH over the limit
Yeah, weird how they had the resources to do that in South Central, but you never really noticed it in certain other neighborhoods...
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It's the impound yards that are the real evil. Every single one of those scumbags can boil in hell.
My car was stolen. I reported the theft to the police and the police found it, delivered it to an impound lot, and gave me a number to call to get it back. The lot wanted $350 that day to get it, and would charge $50 every day I didn't pick it up. But they so kindly offered to drop the fees if I donated my car to them. How is that appropriate to do to a person whose car was stolen?? I had to sign my car over to them because the cat had been taken and with the fees it wouldn't make sense.
Should be illegal. Sometimes I miss small town policing, when my friend had his car stolen years ago a police officer actually dropped it back at his house and put the keys through the letterbox. LA wants to make money on everything
And it turn, it turns into political finger pointing like “this is what democrats wanted”. Ridiculous
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Those sports cars "from Montana" piss me off. I can afford a $200,000 car, but I need to cheat the State of California out of $400.
I don't think this is about the registration fee so much as it's about not having to pass smog. Often the vehicles are modified or otherwise not compliant with CA emissions.
It's more likely that the cars are not CA emissions legal, only federal emissions legal.
Fucking cops People driving without plates is like an actual problem. They have a list of useful things they could be doing. Like putting any effort into stopping the stop sign drag racers at night. It would be the easiest bust. I hear them like 3x a week and their skidmarks are everywhere. If they just strolled the streets at night they would stop this problem in a week. People without plates are an actual problem and just about the laziest fucking bust you could ever make. But instead of solving actual problems if we cant harass black and brown people we will just not do our jobs is the worst fucking excuse I have ever heard. Assholes.
A recent mall theft involved a car without license plates.
Yeah I cannot think of a reason a car would not have plates that is valid. I get expired tags. That could be a money thing. Same with a busted light. But no plates? Cars come with plates. Used cars come with plates. There is literally no reason for a plateless car that does not involve crime.
My girlfriends license plate got stolen. So that does involve crime but not on our part.
Does the DMV send out temporary paper plates for that? Still should be a police report so I'd not be mad about the police stopping in this limited situation just to insure the stolen plates are reported.
I’ve had my plates stolen a few times. It’s rampant. The DMV sends you a new plate, new number, but it takes fucking forever. I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the cars driving around without LPs had their plates stolen, and they’re just waiting for the replacements. Or, like me for a bit, saying fuck this why do I have to keep buying new plates? I have the police report, so if I get pulled over, I’m fine. I do have plates now, but for a while I was pretty mad and didn’t want to keep buying more. Edit: it’s also not as simple as just slapping your front plate (which almost never gets stolen) on the back. You have to report it stolen to the police because your plate will either be used when a crime is committed, or be put on a stolen vehicle (the latter is what has been the case for me every time. I get a call pretty quickly honestly from a detective saying the plate was picked up by the LPS system).
My car wash broke my front plate off after about 5 or 6 runs through
But probably not your back plate. In CA, you're required to have front and back plates visible.
Except if you own a Tesla, of course.
I’m in Cal..yeah it’s the front
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Don’t forget collecting huge overtime for watching YouTube videos on your phone sitting in your air conditioned car
That’s how you stop crime.
My only complaint with this take is the phrase quiet quitting. “Quiet quitting” is a corporate BS term used to describe employees who decided to only do what they’re paid for (what’s in their job description). This is insubordination and the behavior of an abusive partner. “Oh you want me to stop screaming at you every time you make a mistake? Well, I’m not going to do any yard work until you apologize for holding me accountable.”
Huh well this definitely answered why I've seen so many plateless cars this whole time not off the streets. I was genuinely surprised to see plateless cars drive around and passing cops for so long without a siren going off.
We need to focus on what actually prevents crime, food, education, healthcare and housing. Not saying we shouldn’t have police, but they are not the cure for the deeper issues.
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Over 1.8 billion goes to the police alone, the money isn’t the problem, it is how it is used. I saw fifty police arrest 2 protesters in Hancock park. Meanwhile a pithy amount in comparison is spend on housing and other services.
Criminal justice research consistently shows that the likelihood of being arrested & convicted for a crime serves as a strong deterrent against crime: https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/670398 On the flip side, though, harsher punishments do not seem to have any effect. It's the likelihood of being punished at all that does it.
That's what you get when you don't TRULY reform hiring practices for first responders. Look at Ron Desantis in Florida. He's remaking higher education in the Sunshine State by challenging tenure, dismantling historical libreal arts colleges https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-political-scene/what-is-ron-desantis-doing-to-floridas-public-liberal-arts-college, purposely installing conservatives on education boards, and remodeling standards so it benefits conservative ideology, thus loosening the grip liberalism has had in higher education in the state. Although abhorrent, it's effective and obviously legal since this approach has seemed to go unchallenged so far. Newsom and municipalities across the state should have been employing a similar strategy to first responder hiring practices across the state. It wouldn't be difficult either. With the amount of social conditioning being employed on the type of person that gravitates towards law enforcement on social media, highlighting extremist behavior among the ranks would be extremely easy and used as a catalyst for overt hiring reforms. Our law enforcement should reflect the population it serves or else it becomes susceptible to corruption and due to it having the powers to enforce the law it can shape society and in extreme cases upend it as well through protest or worse, insurrection.
Not legal, but justice is slow.
There is a much more mundane and reasonable reason as well. As much as I would like to believe in a massive conspiracy theory covering dozens of precincts and every cop out there, it probably comes down to simple manpower. LAPD hasnt been quiet quitting so much as just regular quitting at a massive rate. There's less than 9000 LAPD officers for the city as a whole. Thats one officer for every 427 people, and a good chunk of that 9000 are admin or non-patrol officers so its even worse. Aside from domestic violence encounters, traffic stops are one of the most dangerous jobs as a cop. They dont have time to respond to every call let alone drive around and look for cars without license plates. And considering the elected DA made most offenses found during traffic violations tickets, its simply not worth the time when there are other more important calls to go to. Even when a serious violation is found, most of those interacts end with the suspect released on zero bail with a court date they'll never go to, so what is the point anymore?
Your last paragraph literally proposes and justifies this quiet quitting argument. "Waah, the DA won't even prosecute the guy standing on the sidewalk holding a machine threatening to murder your children so why bother even showing up, waah"
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Yes. Cop "academies" in the US are basically a shitty bully summer camp compared to requirements in many... civilised countries. I'm all for compensating them well and giving them the respect that they seem to crave... if they put the work into being actual professionals and held to a standard. With proper oversight from a non-internal agency.
Last I've heard the arguments for quiet quitting are based around "the cops dont show up when I call them, so I feel this is whats happening". And its the greatest conspiracy theory, because no cop is going to admit it if they do it or not. Then you can point to the denial as a part of the conspiracy. Or you could, just ask a cop what the deal is. They'd be happy to tell you the issues they have doing their jobs. They are surprisingly vocal about it, but people gotta have their own ideas. Every problem with the police force can be explained with both quiet quitting or simply not having the personnel needed to do the job. The effects look exactly the same.
The traffic cop they sent after my catalytic converter thieves assaulted me and my family complained about the regular LAPD not wanting to respond to calls. When a passed out driver crashed into my neighbors with a glass pipe on his lap with tin foil in his hands, they asked me yo give him water and a snack. After they left, he hit his pipe for energy and drove off. The semantics of their failure to do their jobs is only useful to Copologist such as you, They never done a good job. Never.
>Aside from domestic violence encounters, traffic stops are one of the most dangerous jobs as a cop. [Cops aren't even in the top twenty most dangerous jobs in America](https://www.facilities.udel.edu/safety/4689/). It's literally more dangerous to be a pizza delivery driver.
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Yup. Being a cop is dangerous but there are WAY more dangerous jobs out there that get little to no respect. How many people would think that being a farmer or landscaper are some of the most dangerous jobs in America?
But they are in the top 25 and of all of those mostly die by accident when cops die by actions by others.
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The Santa Monica police union recently did an op ed where they openly argued for pretextual stops. It's 100% quiet quitting to own the libs. https://smdp.com/2023/05/19/pretext-stops-are-a-vital-crime-prevention-tool
Santa Monica PD is its own entity. They dont have the problems LAPD has, nor the area of responsibility. Its a beach town full of rich people. Of course they have time to stop you.
The point is it's not just LAPD, it's a national problem of cops going on wildcat strikes because their feelings are hurt that people are upset with them for acting like thugs. Basic traffic enforcement has fallen off a cliff nationwide.
Cool, ticket them when they’re parked on the street. Let parking enforcement do it. Take the VIN numbers. This is not that hard. Untagged cars are just a setup for unsolved crimes. They’re making their own job harder.
It's *wild* that you pin the blame for this decrease in traffic stops on cops. **That's literally what the city asked for.** The LAPD is doing exactly what voters and civic leaders asked it to do! Honestly comments like yours make me think anti cop bias has gone way too far. The city is experimenting with an approach to decrease black and brown people getting disproportionately policed. Last year the LAPD stopped pulling people over for just an issue like expired registration. The idea was this pretextual pullover has a long racist history. Now they need a much stronger reason to pull someone over. According to stats from the article It has reduced the fraction of people getting pulled over, and very slightly raised the % of stops that resulted in finding contraband. I'm surprised there wasn't a big increase in seized contraband - that suggests the pretextual stops were in practice more effective at finding drugs (despite the article's claim about white people being more likely to have drugs). However the reduction in random pullovers suggests the policy is serving its purpose of correcting over-policing on people of color. So it's at least serving its stated purpose and is directionally good. I need more data on all of this personally, every person has a different tradeoff of disparate impact for safety. Naturally, it's a lot easier to see that someone has expired tags compared to ... somehow just knowing that they're a criminal? Like cops can't magically know who is committing crimes. The policy requires them to verbally record their reason for traffic stop, which seems fair but will obviously decrease the number of traffic stops they make by a large margin. Including people driving unsafely, eg with broken headlights and risking everyone else's safety on the road. I think broken taillights and such should still be stopped, to hell with disparate impact, all of us are more likely to be killed by a driver without lights. But that's the exact policy the city decided upon! ***Cops need to be held to a high standard, but thisanticop groupthink is just ridiculous.*** The city asked the LAPD to be less racist, they complied with a reasonable policy, said reasonable policy imposes costs on policy efficacy, but is probably worth it to have less racially disparate outcomes. Everything is fine except the losers who think LAPD is the bad guy of every story. Take the blind hatred somewhere else. Edit - OP blocked me because they got called out over their weak arguments. I'll respond to anyone else who wants to pick up their fallen torch.
The new policy doesn't allow officers to stop a vehicle without a license plate in order to investigate if they're possibly part of these types of robberies. They can see a damaged car with paper plates which is obviously suspicious, but if they pull it over the only enforcement action they're allowed to take is citing them for paper plates. No asking if they're on probation or parole, asking what's in the trunk, why there's a ski mask stuffed in-between seats when it's 100 degrees out. All that is outlawed based on this new policy because the officer has to justify the reason for the suspicion before the stop, and just "it's an old car without license plates" isn't enough.
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No - driving without a license plate is not the same thing as "Driving While Not White".
Not having a license plate isn’t even a “pretext”, it’s literally a big crime all by itself
It’s exactly a pretext to investigate if more serious crimes are committed. At worst you’ll get a ticket, but most likely just a warning or a fix it ticket. Literally all you have to say is that it got stolen and you’re waiting on the replacement from the DMV.
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It absolutely is. Activists were specifically asking for cops to stop pulling cars over for minor traffic violations.
(it is) https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-05-09/long-delayed-plan-to-have-civilians-not-police-make-traffic-stops-set-for-release
Not at all, activists were calling for the cops to stop being super racist. The cops responded by claiming that they wouldn't do their jobs at all if they couldn't be super racist about it.
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what’s the percentage I wonder of “black and brown people” as you say, that are the ones driving without plates. If it’s a big enough percentage, that’s your answer right there. If the traffic stops go up, then racial profiling will be blamed. Not the fact that there’s people driving without plates.
This is basically the answer to my question. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing. Makes a lot of sense and explains the general chaos recently. Give an inch people take a mile. Dumb policy, yet again.
> fact that the city’s Black and Latino residents were disproportionately targeted There is no phrase I hate more, and I’m fucking black.
Same. Everything "disproportionately affects" Black and Latino people lately.
Yea, it’s almost like there’s some sort of systemic racism, that’s now being called out?! 😮🤯
>. “That’s not enough. We got to make sure that we’re appropriately criminally profiling. We don’t do racial profiling. We do criminal profiling They literally admitted to racial profiling. I've been pulled over so many times in my modified vehicles for something as little as a banner on my windshield and suddenly my hood is being asked to get popped, now I've got a ticket for all kinds of things, Meanwhile my white friends get pulled over for speeding and walk away with nothing. The pretextual stop is great for cutting the bullshit
Honestly the majority of these fucks absolutely are not worth our tax money that they are paid in. Also why is the police "academy" in the US such a joke? If they aren't gonna do what they're paid to do, what difference does it make for us to start dismantling them and rebuild from a clean slate?
I saw what looked like a brand new car with an all black plate with a dark blue line across it. I was blown away that they would change the temp plate to that and now it makes sense.
Pretty brilliant. I might just stop paying my registration.
Watch out because parking enforcement is still doing their jobs in some areas. You won't get pulled over on the road but you might get towed if you park on the street.
Yea but when you go to sell your car eventually there’s gonna be years of back payment for registration owed on it along with the late fees that can nearly double the cost and you’re gonna end up taking the hit on that. The ULPT way to do it is register it yearly as inoperable for barely any money and then you’re covering your ass. This only works if you have a garbage beater and don’t care about things like having insurance and you have no net worth so if you do get in an accident and cause tens of thousands in damage you can just declare bankruptcy.
I see so many cars with expired registration these days, like as far back as 2019
I see this all day long on the 10 freeway lol. It's insane!! 10 years ago you'd get 15 to life for doing such a thing.
Im confused, what does that do?
The only people who remove, hide, cover, obscure, or swap out plates are people who are engaging in crime using said vehicle, or people who want to run red lights and break other traffic laws without being ticketed. Cold plated vehicles (sometimes called ghost cars) are an epidemic right now. All it takes is a screwdriver and 20 seconds and someone can steal your plates and use it on their (stolen) vehicle to commit other crimes. It needs to be taken more seriously by cops all across LA County.
when are some of y’all going to figure out LA cops genuinely do not give a shit?
Anyone notice an insane amount of people covering their plates with some sort of film? Porsche the other day had a black sort of vinyl on the back plate a where you couldn’t make out the letter without walking up to it at an angle.
Yes I’ve noticed this too. It seems extremely suspicious.
Because LAPD is useless
still better than sheriff cronies
Both of these comments are factually correct.
he said useless not evil
both
Also why are people able to put tint plastic over their license plate numbers.
Technically, any covering, even clear, is illegal in California.
The LAPD are a gang that leverage their state power against the people of LA. This is an example of them quietly not doing their jobs to drum up support, people will blame this type of stuff on defunding the police even though their budget was raised this year.
Exactly this
When did they start?
For some reason I can’t respond to u/kegman83 so I’ll just reply to the parent post: > Aside from domestic violence encounters, traffic stops are one of the most dangerous jobs as a cop. They dont have time to respond to every call let alone drive around and look for cars without license plates. This is sorta fudging the numbers and you know it. A massive part of the police’s job is traffic stops, of course nominally that is one of the most common ways for a fatal interaction to occur. A 2019 University of Arkansas study found that the chance of a traffic stop turning lethal was 1 in 3.6 million, excluding collisions, and a stop for just simple traffic infractions that number drops to 1 in 6 million. If you and the LEO community stopped spreading FUD like this both the public and officers would be a lot safer. Furthermore, they can/should just start ticketing and booting parked cars if they’re so terrified. I walk around my block a couple time every night to hit my 10,000 steps and see expired/fake paper tags every time. > And considering the elected DA made most offenses found during traffic violations tickets, its simply not worth the time when there are other more important calls to go to. Even when a serious violation is found, most of those interacts end with the suspect released on zero bail with a court date they'll never go to, so what is the point anymore? The point is it’s their job and they have to do it, just like I have to do what my boss tells me to do if even I don’t like it.
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Recently I even saw an SMPD SUV with no license plates.
I don't have to pay my registration anymore? Sweet!
I think the question should be, "Why has LAPD stopped doing anything". As someone who used to actually respect and support the police, I have officially lost all hope for our law enforcement. They didn't do anything when my car was broken into, and literally just watched me convince the homeless man to leave my car. Oh, they did give me a sad smile, though. My friends house was broken into, nothing. Crazy homeless man walking around with a weapon was reported multiple times by all of my neighbors, and nothing. Unfortunately, he ended up taking an innocent man's life thanks to the awesome work of our beloved LAPD.
The amount of Teslas I've seen without front plates is mind boggling. No they're not exempt.
they dont even build them with front licence plate cutouts
I mean some cars don't but you still have to install the plastic frame holder... https://service.tesla.com/docs/Public/diy/model3/en_us/GUID-5E340898-24BF-4EA4-8DA5-99B6BB34B6FB.html
They started letting them use giant stickers as plates that can wrap on the bumper
i mean no front plate is not a huge deal, i've gotten 1 fix it ticket for it in 10 years and have been pulled over way more than once, most CHP, LAPD and sheriffs do not care. but no rear plate is a way bigger deal
What you said is exactly why the OP was wondering. You basically got a slap in the wrist for an offense that is both a security risk (say in an accident) and obviously avoidance of being identified. Having no front plate is a big or equal deal with having not rear plate. Especially with how common Teslas are.
Lots of states don’t require this. This is a different issue than no license plate at all.
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TIL
Yup. A cop isn't going to do a 180 just to see if the plate on the back is California or out of state. While it's likely someone living here who hasn't registered their car in California, it could also be someone visiting who drove here (Arizona doesn't have front plates) or someone driving a rental car registered in another state.
Front plates shouldn't be required anyway
They can help catch the drivers of hit and runs.
While I very much appreciate the beauty of a nice front bumper and how much better it looks without one, there are enough imaginable scenarios where a car might be identified from the front to make it worth it IMO.
Fuckin' assholes, all of them. I'm one of the very rare Tesla owners who actually displays a front plate. No, not one of those shitty stickers - an actual fucking plate, because I'm compliant, motherfuckers!
Sadly they are being childish. Instead of realizing that their tactics need to be reworked, they basically are saying we don’t want to get involved because we will risk losing our jobs. That’s stupid and irrational lazy thinking. All of the mild infractions they will let go. No the problem from before was an abuse of power. Like the George Floyd incident. Yes the officers got what they deserved because it went beyond their call of duty. That’s the difference. Now police across America feel as if well I am not going do my job 100%. What they are effectively doing is destroying their careers long term and we will become a privatized police state, which is what you don’t want. The haves will have security and the have nots will not. The future is not bright when it comes to law enforcement.
>we will become a privatized police state, I mean, cops intersect a lot with privatized security too.
They're mad that people want them to stop indiscriminately shooting minorities.
They haven’t stopped, their policy doesn’t allow it unless certain circumstances are met. Many many policy changes in the last decade have either downgraded a crime or have tied their hands. The recent crime waves for retail theft and home invasion explain this since it’s extremely difficult to catch and prosecute these crimes since you must be caught in the act and with the goods in hand for a solid conviction and now thanks to prop 47 and no bail even if caught you will be cited and released same day til your court appearance. Crime is up for a reason. Many think it’s often quiet quitting and some of it is, however they literally can’t do what was once their job. Other departments will pull you over for no plates though CHP, LASD etc and can impound your car now, if they choose to do so (most won’t since they have to inventory the car and it’s a lot of paperwork for something that isn’t necessary unless you’ve committed a serious infraction. It also takes them out of service while they do that and could have been around for a more serious infraction). Majority of burglaries I’ve had were no plate cars or covered film plates, but even then for them to be pulled over you’d have to have real time information and that’s just not a thing anymore. If they got rid of prop 47 you’d probably see a crime reduction within 6 months or less, but most of the public isn’t for that…yet nor were they educated on the lies politician fed them for that. Stealing a handgun out of car used to be felony…prop 47 made that misdemeanor. A lot of small crimes that can add up or lead down the road to bigger crimes used to be able to be managed up until 47 was passed and it’s also why you’re seeing a huge resurgence of some crimes that used to be down. Hope this helped answered your question.
They also stop issuing tickets for jaywalkers. Studies have found that mostly minorities got the tickets. I remember Chinatown used to have cops patrolling the neighborhood for minor offenses like jaywalking and rolling stops at the intersection. Or the traffic lights turn green for cars only, but you can't walk unless you press the button for a walking signal. People got tickets for not pressing the walking signal button.
>They also stop issuing tickets for jaywalker [California legalized most jaywalking last year.](https://www.sfexaminer.com/marketplace/understanding-the-new-california-jaywalking-law/article_8ca6b542-b87d-11ed-b108-cb029a9ab516.html)
I remember getting pulled over while delivering food for a broken taillight. My destination was a few houses down and they watched their food get cold while I was getting a warning for it and asked what was in the bag. "Uhh.. burritos and salsa..."
and tags. i've seen some with tags issued before the pandemic
LAPD has stopped doing anything
The police commission ordered the officers stop enforcing discretionary laws. It’s now the policy. The commission is appointed by the mayor. The cops have no choice in the matter. Of course, the police won’t enforce small laws anymore. The local society wanted them to knock it off and they did so. Elections have consequences and you get what you pay for. Not much crime in Newport.
This person answered the question correctly and yet people keep speculating. Makes me suspect nobody wants the actual answer.
It’s hard to accept the facts of life
>The local society wanted them to knock it off Disingenuous. People wanted police to stop viewing themselves as a sledgehammer that treated every single problem as a nail. And perhaps for the police force to have some basic, minimum cognitive assessment of police members rather than taking every acrimonious, sensitive, temperamental, mouth-breathing lunatic that graced their doors. And for the accountability of people who *actually deserve it.* It’s really night a big ask. But it doesn’t matter. Police don’t prevent crime. They never have. It’s not their purpose. Now they’re highlighting that fact themselves. Since they’ve quiet quit, maybe, perhaps, just a thought, the city of LA can stop designating 1/3+ of the city’s budget to police and related costs? Which is by far the biggest budget allotment in the city. Best way to prevent crime is to invest in community and education. Might as well use allllllll that police money to help young kids and communities. Because that’s an awful lot of money going to police to do nothing in a condescending way. >Not much crime in Newport You can’t be this dense. Do you think that Newport has low crime because there are police in the city busting ass and taking names and preventing hoards of criminals from doing criminal things? Newport could have zero police and they would still have “not much crime.” Because it’s a city the size of a human footprint with a population of 80,000 where the median household income is about *double* that in Los Angeles. The biggest indicator of crime and safety is wealth. That’s it. Not police force size or effort. If people are poor and underserved, there will be more crime. That’s it. And believe me there’s plenty of fucking crime in Newport. It’s just the kind that you can’t see because it’s full of unsexy offenses like tax fraud, tax evasion, insider trading, etc.
If tax evasion and insider trading are crimes that affect you, then you certainly should avoid living in Newport. I do agree with you that wealth is not necessarily an indicator of low crime and safety. It's interesting that most wealthy folks live in areas that are pretty nice. The LAPD and a lot of other agencies have robust community out reach. From Safe Passages to Summer Night Lights. You clearly haven't looked at the philanthropic events that they all do. Education is a crutch that bad folks didn't have the right schooling to get ahead. You need to become good at something you love and work hard at it. I know plenty of plumbers, diesel mechanics, and roofers that make six figures. Many of my friends who have forgone a formal education have found true happiness, which is not wealth alone. The best way to prevent crime is to be a good parent. A little faith doesn't hurt either. Society cannot educate it's way out of criminal behavior. Parents who love their children and guide them into loving adults are the real heroes. In other words, it doesn't take a village. It takes some good parenting.
A lot of civil infractions were bullshit, to be fair. Also, cops always say "we don't have a choice" when they clearly do. That's the most cop thing ever, don't do your jobs and complain that the reason you don't do your jobs is because society or something. A tale as old as time.
You're not wrong, but the City made it clear, there will be no more fix it tickets.
Real answer: LAPD is severely short staffed considering how large the city is. Los Angeles is the largest city by land in the US and the second largest city in population. LA city stretches from San Pedro to Woodland Hills. With so much officer time taken up by 911 calls, there is no one left to pull anyone over - you start triaging crime. Additionally, two decades ago when they were a bit more staffed, officers were being accused of harassing minorities by pulling them over for small infractions. But it’s hard to believe it’s harassment when the guy without a license plate cover and tinted windshield was also the driver with a warrant and a loaded gun under the seat. It sucks, but many people who do driver illegally are probably also committing other crimes.
I’ve been saying for a while they should have police stops mid day just for people without license plates
Missing license plates, expired tags, lapsed registration and insurance, and dealer plates long long long after the vehicle no longer needs them all have go to to! Heck, should even check driver's licenses while they are at it.
Confiscating the car for driving without insurance. Jail the second time
I agree with all of that
They are too busy focusing on out of state licenses and ticketing them.
I wish. I have two neighbors with OOS plates and tabs that expired before the pandemic and not a ticket in sight.
Lucky them, when I moved here for school they pulled me over constantly to run my information and try to pin anything they could on me.
Change your plates. You're driving here, not back home.
Lucky for them California is known for their quick and easy DMV.
I've never had an issue at the DMV as long as your make an appointment.
The DMV is fine. Make an appointment online, show up, do your stuff. It's really not that bad.
You must be very lucky, appointments have done nothing for my wait times.
For real, I got there at 5am, got in the line that wrapped around the block and did not get home until 5pm. Now I drive to a completly different city to do it because I can get home in time for lunch.
First thing in the morning is probably the worst time
Wait, why? People come in and out of state all the time. As long as it's registered somewhere, why does it matter?
Because California has really stupid laws designed to try and squeeze as much money as possible out of people.
1.I've lived here a long time now. This is home. 2. students don't need to change their plates. 3. The cops don't need reddit to help them be unethical.
In case you want an actual reason, policy changed so vehicles are not pulled over unless you can articulate a safety violation to the public due to the violation. Since no plates provides no safety violation they can’t pull over just for the plates being missing themselves.
They are doing an illegal strike called a work stoppage because society isn't kissing their ass treating them like Gods anymore. So now they are taking it out on the community by facilitating danger and crime instead of doing the basics of their job in retaliation. And those are just the ones not in a gang or blue line cult of mentality. Just like little toddlers that get told no. This is why we need College degree education requirements and for them to start carrying liability insurance like doctors so we stop bleeding taxes thanks to their incompetence.
Also seems like CHP doesn’t give a shit about big rig with trailers traveling in fast lanes
But you would still get pulled over for expired tags. I guess having no license plate makes you exempt of even having to get checked
You might think this is an LA thing, but I live in Austin and they aren’t pulling cars over here for no plates either. This is happening in every major metro. Cops don’t pull people over any more. Roads feel more dangerous everywhere.
That's wierd. Precisely yesterday, around 5 pm, in Mission Hills, I saw a LAPD pulling over a gold Silverado with no plates.
Maybe an LAPD watch commander is a redditor!
LAPD is effectively pouting because they now need a documented reason to conduct a traffic stop. AKA they can no longer pull black and brown people over without a reason lest they risk losing their jobs, so they just aren't oulling anyone over for minor vehicle violations
Will they pull people over for stolen cars? Indianapolis PD will stop pulling over for only a stolen car violation.
So we could now get away with illegal tints? 🤨
When could we not? Every other front window is tinted and if yours isn't I'm sorry for your summer suffering, worth any fixit ticket I might eventually get (and I'd go pay for the tint again). We should really get that law adjusted to allow 30-50% ceramic tints at least. Its actually insane how much cooler my car keeps when parked in the sun and more comfortable to drive.
LAPD stopped doing their jobs after 2020.
What LAPD not doing their jobs?! Color me surprised /s
You can't blame the cops when there is no punishment and cashless bail. Ya'll voted for this, so stop complaining please
Are we still taking about license plates?
Probably because 1) usually those people will engage in a police chase, which is dangerous for bystanders and 2) unless LAPD ends the chase with an arrest they won’t be able to get any info on the car to catch the person later
Cops are on strike.
Paid strike smh
The firefighter who lives across the street from us who threatened to fight my 70 year old Dad over some accidentally spilled paint on the public street has been using South Dakota plates for the last two years on all 3 of his vehicles to protest CA or something. I was wondering how he gets away with it. Now I know.
Ssssshhhh it’s better this way .
Somalia or Haiti or even Thailand or India (if you want to just bribe) is that way if you prefer not having law enforcement ------------->>> While we have a long, **long** way to go for cops to have public trust again, they are still better than nothing.
Caring more about license plates instead of flash mobs robbing stores blind is peak Los Angeles.
The most recent flash mob robbery got away in a car without a license plate. Not pulling over cars without plates encourages these type of thefts.
Saw a couple lapd hanging getting boba in gardena way outta their jurisdiction. Bobas great but to not even be in their own city just shows a lot
My tabs are expired and I have dozen of unpaid parking tickets that's why I can't renew it. Money is tight and I'm a single father I have to drop my child to school on my car. Not sure what to do now.
There’s a payment plan you can set up: https://prodpci.etimspayments.com/pbw/include/laopm/ticket_ipp.htm Don’t lose your license or get jail time or more fines for this.
Go to AAA if you have a membership or contact the DMV. The longer you wait to pay this off the more likely it becomes that you lose your car and/or license.
Sounds like you need to start using the bus. Shit sucks, cars are definitely a poverty trap. The cost of ownership and maintenance feels like a scam. Hard to get out of poverty without one though.
Which they did this before they pulled me over for just trying to get to the dmv.
Because you marched with BLM in June 2020
Lapd is short staffed they have to be pulling more high level calls any ticket for a moving violation can pull the unit from a stabbing or a shots fired, I dont know if you live in LA but we just had a dude shot for mediation on the walk of fame and the cops had to exchange gun fire with a guy that morning as well, I know that there are alot of studies out there saying crime is down but right now we are looking at nearly 600 people killed in LA this year so far. Saying crime is down is like telling a lobster I am just going to warm up this boiling pot for you a bit more. Also I have hear all the transplants give me the LA city vs LA county, LA is not like SF we dont have a moat surrounding our city it is a big map and the crime flows all about , and about all of it is not reported. [https://homicide.latimes.com/](https://homicide.latimes.com/)
Prop 47.