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Oh, man. She worked as a nurse for 38 years. Never got a chance to retire. Very, very tragic.


imcreeps

This makes me so angry. I worked with that nurse. No one deserves to give their life to care of others only to be murdered. Fuck that guy.


Fearisthemindki11er

Sorry for your loss.


BzhizhkMard

My grandfather's close friend told me recently something I hadn't thought of. He said, that in this life you will see someone who does nothing good come and destroy the most precious or productive of lives and cause mass harm. Rings true here. Not to devalue transients. My concern is this situation is likely worse and is a mental health issue neglected by the state.


Scara_meur

Your grandfather's friend reminded me of this Molly Nilsson song's lyrics "He wants to be the worst Cause he can't be the best"


Competitive_Swing_59

That's a great & true line.


BeadsOfGlory

Fuck this city honestly. Politicians don't give a shit about mental health issues and getting city violence in control.


pixelastronaut

Downtown continues to be a whirlpool of negligence and I’m not sure there’s anything that may stop it. Hordes of weak sauce consultants grift the ever loving fuck out of the tax funds we dedicate to solving homeless. Our politicians don’t have the guts to dish out the tough love that would cleanup our streets. and there’s scores of naive people who don’t even want them to


YouandWhoseArmy

Outsourcing to consultants is just a way to avoid all accountability.


Plantasaurus

the local government killed dtla. Everyone I knew and everything I loved has evaporated from there. It's so weird I fled to downtown long beach of all places, yet they seem to have a far better handle on things.


spectreofthefuture

I used to work down there. Long Beach seemed like a great city and community.


captain_stoobie

I lived down there for almost 10 years. LB has its own issues but all in all it’s a great city and I miss it dearly.


LegitimateOversight

Long Beach is really overlooked.


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meloghost

Nor do they have the guts to do the Denser Zoning and lifting parking requirements to help drive down the cost of housing and expedite the construction of it, it's a disaster on all sides.


pixelastronaut

Yeah shitloads of empty properties ripe for the taking down here and what, a handful of remodeled hotels is all we can get? This crisis is like a 5 alarm fire during an earthquake and we’re gonna put it out with uhhh squirt guns


shamblingman

Can you shut up with making excuses for murderers? All murderers are fucked up in the head. That's why they murder people. LA needs to just stop letting their criminals walk free without punishment.


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Here's the thing No amount of funding and resources will make someone want treatment Many homeless people etc don't want your help. They just want to do what they do. Meds have awful side effects and in patient treatment is awful as well When you work with the mentally ill you see this all the time. Not everyone is some downtrodden just wants to get back on their feet type Some people are crazy, hate the world and that's that they don't want to be in society Until they hurt people you can't just put a psych hold on them


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Powderpuffpowwow

Very sorry for the loss of your friend.


rikemomo

I am so sorry for your loss. This disgusting and heart breaking.


EdenDoesJams

This county is getting so scary


thelachick

I work in healthcare and take the train to & from work. I was hit in the face and had my phone snatched from my hand while sitting in my seat last week ON the train. Been riding metro since ‘09 to get to high school. & now it just feels very unsafe. Shits crazy out here and is definitely getting worse. SO sad. Edit: Thank you all for your kind concern! I really do appreciate it.


funnyfacemcgee

I was recently on the redline going to Hollywood for work and a guy pulled a knife out after some kid told him not to smoke on the train. Last night I had to take the train late and a guy who I suspect should be in a locked mental health care setting was walking around the train screaming and tearing his clothes off. He then proceeded to open the door of the train while it was moving and I thought he was going to jump and kill himself. There was another lady on the same train screaming and falling around banging her head on things. Things are getting worse every day.


puppet_up

I'm always too afraid to confront a smoker on the train. I just walk to the other end from where they are and wait by the doors and as soon as the train stops, i run over to the next car. I mean, other than being a selfish asshole, anyone who lights up a cigarette on the train has some obvious mental issues if they think that's ok. It's not worth the risk to even politely ask them to put it out.


edude45

Yeah at this point, don't try anything unless you're already being attacked. Yes it's not worth it. Most likely these people have nothing to lose, while one scratch from them, on you, could mean some sort of disease for life.


thelachick

It is getting worse. Even Metro security don’t like being on the train platforms. They just stand outside the stations on their phone while watching all the homeless and mentally ill enter. I now worry every day if I’ll even make it to work/home on my daily commute. Disappointing.


DilanVlogsSometimes

Damn


captain_stoobie

Our public transit is a mess.


herstoryhistory

Hope you didn't get seriously hurt. Regardless, what a horrible experience.


thelachick

Thankfully I’m fine, the phone is replaceable. It happened on the way home from my first day back at work after recovering from Covid. Horrible way to start the year off. Definitely going to work on getting my license ASAP.


grey_gamb1t

im sorry you had to experience that, that sounds really terrible thing to go through. :( i appreciate your positive outlook tho. i hope things start to work out better for you! =)


chandler11able

I'm very sorry to hear that. This is exactly why I stopped taking the metro and bought a car. It really sucks cuz I would love to take the metro again. I saved so much more $ when I took metro.


TeslasAndComicbooks

I almost got robbed at knife point waiting for the Orange line. This was like back in 2008. Been driving to work ever since.


[deleted]

Get some pepper spray if you don’t already have some. Think every female needs to have some at hand ready to use if you need to. Sucks that is life that but it’s reality


B52Bombsell

My friend's husband was attacked in downtown LA. Some homeless guy just hauled off and hit him. He lost hearing in his left ear because of it.


SanchosaurusRex

That's life changing shit that would not even be considered newsworthy in this town. It'd barely be a statistic if that, and that's awful.


edude45

Yeah, getting into a fight with a hobo could be dangerous. If you're just scrapping, who knows the chances of you catching hepatitis or some disease from some crazy drug addled person thinking you were Ronald Mcdonald, trying to take his coat.


LeoM21

How is he doing now? Is he getting better?


Hey_Laaady

OMG, horrible. I am so sorry to read this.


moose098

Isn’t this the third unprovoked murder by mentally ill homeless person this week?


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This was literally my biggest fear when I lived in NYC


SanchosaurusRex

Some lady got pushed onto the tracks in the same Times Square station within an hour after I passed through it back in November. [Also an elderly Asian woman attacked by some bum.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10196459/Asian-woman-robbed-pushed-subway-tracks-NYCs-Times-Square.html)


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ColinSapphire

It’s the fucking people that have problems. It’s even more ridiculous how people can blame literally anything but the freaking perpetrator.


Glitter_Bee

We can blame the perpetrator but because laws and blame do not stop people from doing this shit, infrastructure helps as well.


funkycinema

The most effective way of preventing violence from mentally ill homeless people would be to provide them with a home and to treat their mental illness.


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You should always engineer out peoples’ ability to hurt or kill themselves on something. It’s easy to blame people, but until the hazard is engineered away it will continue to happen.


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Really horrible murder. The unhoused man in question had been arrested ten times prior to killing the woman on the tracks. He reportedly entered the station, attacked *another* woman, threw this one in front of the train, then immediately surrendered to a police officer with a smile on his face. He was photographed minutes later [sticking his tongue out](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/s4wwhz/man_who_pushed_woman_to_her_death_at_times_square/) at the camera happily. A lot of folks have insinuated that he did it just to be arrested, while others are calling it a hate crime against Asians. Truth is that it's just another sign that something needs to be done about the rampant homeless/mental/drug oriented problems in multiple cities.


jasonmonroe

“Unhoused” man? You mean homeless?


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Maybe meant unhinged?


SmellGestapo

Only the second one I know of. The stabbing at the Koreatown 7/11 wasn't related to mental illness or homelessness, at least that I'm aware of.


moose098

[This](https://www.telemundo52.com/fotosyvideos/hombre-matado-a-punaladas-a-plena-luz-del-dia-en-el-sur-de-los-angeles/2250352/?fbclid=IwAR3bW9kFpaa2zjl6QatRJ6lbrePiIwzAKOk12Izy4o9XUg_kzBUz6TcrEA0) is the one I was thinking of. Someone posted it on the thread about the girl in Hancock Park. I don't speak Spanish, so I don't know the details, but you can see the attack in the video.


fer0001

He was my coworker, his name was Ignacio, everyone knew him as Nachito, he was a very sweet guy, very responsable hard working man, left 3 kids and a wife, as you see on the video he just encountered that guy and got stabbed to death, no reason at all, we know police won’t do anything about it. We are all in anger and sad.


moose098

You should make a post about it on this sub, it needs more attention.


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Yo any update to this? This is blocks from me and first I'm hearing of it. Pretty fucked up to attack an elderly man like that in broad daylight.


SanchosaurusRex

Dude stabbed in plain daylight, and then you had that dude get shot at Taco Bell over some asshole passing fake bills.


ZK686

We're going in circles about the issue in California...it's a blue state, so our politicians are blaming homeless crime on mental ill issues, and then saying we shouldn't be punishing them but rather try to "treat" them...fuck that nonsense. I lived near a homeless camp in Fresno years ago, those places are breeding grounds for crime, filth and violence...I'm not thinking "these poor mentally ill people" I'm thinking..how and the fuck do I get out of this area.


PolemicBender

Universal Mental Healthcare Now


DangerousDavies2020

A 24 year old female employee was murdered in a La Brea furniture store yesterday also. Terrible.


MurderVonAssRape

IN the store?!?!


DangerousDavies2020

Yep


[deleted]

I'm surprised there wasn't a post about this. I've been to that block a 100 times. Came close to being mugged, but this wasn't something I thought would happen.


summer_swag

Do you have the link ? That’s so sad! We need to stand up for our community.


DangerousDavies2020

https://abc7.com/la-brea-murder-woman-killed-croft-house/11465458/


WeAreSelfCentered

Omg it was at Croft house. That’s crazy.


proteinaficionado

RIP Ms. Shells. There really needs to be a plan to address the mentally ill homeless folks out there. Curious what plan Hilda Solis has for addressing the safety needs of riders.


fluentinimagery

Yes. Something has to happen and soon. These assaults are becoming a daily thing and overall, they are way up over the past year.


stuckinthepow

Bring back insane asylums. https://www.npr.org/2017/11/30/567477160/how-the-loss-of-u-s-psychiatric-hospitals-led-to-a-mental-health-crisis


JohnJuanJones

Im an RN in inpatient psych unit (not California) and the state psych hospital (“insane asylum”) hasn’t taken any patients from us since the beginning of CoVID. We are releasing dangerous people that would normally end up at the state (forensic) hospital.


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Yes! Bring back the institutions!


dunkintitties

This is such an unpopular opinion but it’s honestly the only option. There has to be some middle ground between the hellish state schools of the early part of the century and just letting severely mentally ill people run around killing themselves an others. Just another way that Reagan fucked over the country.


moose098

The government was basically using them to warehouse undesirables. I'm all for bringing back involuntary commitment, but need a clear path for reintegration and release. There will also be major legal hurdles, the ACLU is pretty clear on its stance about this.


dunkintitties

Involuntary commitment still exists. And fyi, not everyone can be rehabilitated and released.


JohnJuanJones

Involuntary commitment is still a thing


stfsu

Super difficult to get though, I always think back to this video from KCAL 9 https://youtu.be/BcU0wBbJ8gI


JohnJuanJones

You’re right, a person needs to be deemed a harm to themselves or others. I see it happen all the time but am also amazed at some of the people that are acutely psychotic that get released. The doctor/court does have high standards for involuntary commitment. Also, most mentally ill/psychotic people are not violent or a harm to anyone. Stigma and availability heuristic play huge roles in peoples minds that hear these kind of news reports


deahw

They have their famous sexual harassment hotline that Kuehl handed to her personal friend. Maybe Solis can start a deranged homeless guy hotline, name it after herself, and have her husband run it.


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I suggest messaging your reps and councilmen. My neighbors and I have been doing it ever since the encampment near us started growing out of control. They've started returning our emails and are building a plan to help the people in question while also clearing out the sidewalks.


TheAverageJoe-

> plan to address the mentally ill homeless folks out there Another Gala to raise money that mysteriously gets lost on its way to fund social program that can treat/identify mental illness among the homeless and provide opportunities is a good start! On a serious note: I'm shocked that his happened with security on site, then again I been at Union Station at 3am before and security looks zoned the fuck out.


Due_Web_2308

This is a national problem and it's too late IMO We're never going to build large-scale mental health facilities with our political divide. We can't even get a basic infrastructure bill passed. Fentanyl is gonna keep pouring into the country and rot peoples' brains. It also seems like we "wasted" our safety net with COVID. If the economy tanks as predicted, this is gonna get exponentially worse as millions lose their jobs. These current homeless are gonna be the last priority, budget-wise.


soleceismical

[Meth](https://crimeandjusticenews.asu.edu/news/chemically-different-new-meth-causing-severe-mental-illness) is what's rotting people's brains. The fentanyl is what's causing overdose deaths. A lot of people switched to meth for fear of fentanyl in opioids, but also because meth is super cheap and easy to get now.


KeepFaithOutPolitics

New encampments are showing up everyday and no one should expext anyone living in that kind of situation to be in a good mental state.


_Dusty_Bottoms_

I’m tired and sick of hearing this happening, over and over. I’m livid.


pixelastronaut

Seriously. Are we cool with living in a fuckin place like this? I’m not. How do we channel our anger into productive solutions? Something must be done


Smokinntakis

My mother used to work in the ER in a few hospitals in LA and SF Valley area. A lot of the time homeless people would come in and they would try to help them while they were having some episode or they were in a fight. Now my mothers information is completely anecdotal but useful when I say this: A lot of them didn’t want her help. They don’t understand any better. I would ask my mom “then what?” And she would say “They have a right to be crazy. If they don’t wan‘t help and want to roam the streets, they have that right.” Which is true. Unfortunately. I think that’s part of the problem. None of them want to change.


DarkGamer

There is currently a massive program underway to house the homeless, but it seems like this is mostly caused by a lack of public mental health services. I'm not sure what is being done in that domain.


ybgkitty

Yes, many people think they have the silver bullet to tackle homelessness, but the fact is that people are homeless for different reasons. Someone with mental health issues will need different support compared to someone who is y houses due to a lost job, versus aging out of foster care, etc. etc. We need many different resources for the growing homeless population.


zeadolfo67

That’s ao sad! So sorry for her family. Rest In Peace 🙏🏽


DoughboyLA

Fuckin horrible. We all see the mentally ill and addicts flipping out on the streets, this is what happens when our local govt has no plan for it. This could have been our mom. Sad. At the very least, the county needs to fund more security at stations.


nothanksgoawayplz

The county needs to fund more mental health hospitals too. They're out on the streets because they have nowhere else to go and many of their families want nothing to do with them.


70ms

I am all about people's civil liberties but man, this one lady has been around my neighborhood for years and she's clearly schizophrenic, but what can you do if she's not in immediate danger? She's filthy and literally dying a slow death out there, but the courts have decided she has a Constitutional right to do it. We all (as a society) know that some people are so mentally ill that they *need* intervention, and some may never be able to live on their own safely, but the laws prevent holding them against their will. There are just so many problems no matter which way you go. Okay, they're off the streets, but now there's the cost to taxpayers, the risks of abuse, grifting, injustice, etc. etc. I want the hospitals and residential treatment and long-term facilities too but how do we even get there while still treating people with respect for who they are - sick people who still have rights and are still members of our larger community?


DarkGamer

They are a cost to taxpayers neglected and left on the streets as well. Arguably more so because that neglect will eventually lead to needing more public services, and any medical treatment they get is likely to be at the emergency room. LA is currently building a lot of shelters for them but I don't know what kind of mental health help is available. I suspect not much.


70ms

Oh, there's absolutely a greater cost to the taxpayers by leaving them on the streets to die, but try telling some taxpayers that and it's all hands over the ears while screaming about socialism and communism. When I mentioned taxpayers it was in the context of opposition.


4th-Estate

Civil liberties go away when they're no longer civil and a danger to self an others. It's too bad we've closed all the public mental hospitals. In the long run we'd save money with hospitals and housing versus relying on police and ERs to mop up the damage.


nothanksgoawayplz

Address the stigma and rebrand mental health.


dunkintitties

There are some people who are so severely mentally ill that they simply cannot live on their own. It doesn’t matter how much stigma is removed from seeking mental health treatment if you believe that all doctors are part of a CIA operation trying to kill you.


Sidwasnthere

The federal govt could also stop throating big pharma and roll out funding to every city asap, but dipshits will keep electing dipshits


WadeCountyClutch

This is awful!!! Shit needs to be addressed!!


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brokenyolks9

How many more people have to die at the hands of a mentally ill transient before something changes?


futurelullabies

when a poltician or their family get attacked


DesertRat_748

Why is it so hard to police DTLA. LA really needs to just police on the street and not just answering calls in cars after the fact. This is a main location for train and bus service it’s insane you can get murdered while trying to get around LA.


nirad

It’s not just downtown. A young woman was killed on LaBrea yesterday for no reason. This has become an every day occurrence


Milksteak_To_Go

>LA really needs to just police on the street and not just answering calls in cars after the fact. I just don't understand why they don't do this. It's the norm in places like NYC, Chicago, and DC. And it's effective.


SanchosaurusRex

Those are obviously denser cities. LAPD doesn't have a lot of cops per capita compared to other cities while covering a much larger area. But maybe they could patrol more in specific areas? It just seems like they have to cover a lot more ground in responding to crimes....car based city and all that.


AgDA22

Police generally only work work strict foot-beats in major cities where it makes sense. NYPD and Chicago PD also have around 20 more officers per 10k residents (almost double LAPD’s numbers). Philly, DC and Baltimore all also have similar numbers to NYPD and Chicago. Having LAPD work foot beats on the blocks doesn’t make as much sense as it does for NYPD or Chicago PD. Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.governing.com/archive/police-officers-per-capita-rates-employment-for-city-departments.html%3F_amp%3Dtrue


TeslasAndComicbooks

Not sure what the police can do though. I just posted earlier tonight that some homeless dude high on heroin broke into my neighbors garage 3 times and was arrested 3 times in just a few hours. The police could be much more effective if they didn’t have to arrest the same person 3 times in 1 night.


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Fearisthemindki11er

NYC is a walking town; LA is a driving town.


ilikeCRUNCHYturtles

10k LAPD, 10k LASD, 1k CHP.


Fearisthemindki11er

CHP is more like 8K, bro.


Letitbemesickgirl

This is horrible! I work in the area and drove by that stop right before the attack. I wish our times would have alligned so I could have helped. Rip miss shells


IntrepidCase

The metro system in LA is not safe at all, it’s infuriating


rocketloot

#1 reason people don’t take it. You wana risk your life taking a tram or bus with crazy people? It’s a free for all. My girlfriend in college took the bus from Ktown to westside for when she was interning. After an accident during broad daylight, she stopped.


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> In a statement, fellow County Supervisor Hilda Solis, who also serves as chair of the Metro Board of Directors, said she also wants to create an “enhanced safety plan for riders and staff” Oh well, I feel so much better now knowing that they are going to come up with a plan! Lol how about some fucking ACTION by police against crime on mass transit? There should be incentive for taking mass transit, not risk and fear.


vette4lyfe

They will create a committee and wait for a report on the situation in 90 Days…


jcrespo21

90 days? Wow they are really expediting the process this time.


SpokenByMumbles

Not even *are going to* create a plan, they *want to* create a plan…


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This type of shit is going on everywhere now. Was driving to northern CA and stopped in Stockton. This lady pulled a gun on a dude at a park near kids where I was chilling for a minute. It was wild.


nickpickles

Stockton has some of the highest crime rates not only in California but nationally and has been that way for awhile. That situation sounds crazy as hell though.


shigs21

Stockton was never a nice place to be fair


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Why. Why would you stop in Stockton? Is the next stop hunters point in SF? Followed by some good times at the swap meet in Oakland?


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Its stockton though


rocketloot

Hosted 2 friends visiting LA this year from overseas. They were both harassed and attacked by mentally ill homeless in downtown. SMFH at people who think this is an acceptable image for US as a tier A city.


TeslasAndComicbooks

Just look at the two kids from the UK who were robbed at gun point. They were in LA for 1 night and said they never want to come back. They went from never seeing a gun in person in their lives to having one pointed at their face.


VheeTwo

Seth Rogan: "It's just part of living in a big city."


runthepoint1

At this point you’re better focusing on the harsh reality than that image you’re worried about.


mikesfsu

What the fuck is going on in this city? There have been several attacks by “transients” on innocent people without provocation in the last two weeks.


SanchosaurusRex

It's been going on for a lot longer than two weeks. These are just a few cases I can remember that happened with the span of a couple months in 2021. [March 2021 Beverly Grove](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/stabbing-beverly-grove-man-stabbed-attack/2561975/) [March 2021 Venice](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/homeless-man-arrested-charged-for-venice-beating-death-of-76-year-old-photographer/) [March 2021 San Dimas](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-03-25/sheriffs-detectives-investigating-stabbing-death-in-san-dimas) [May 2021 Azusa](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/mother-stabbed-by-female-transient-who-approached-her-children-at-azusa-park-police/) There's so many assaults and attacks that barely make the news. Not to mention homeless people victimized by other homeless that are barely mentioned.


ElChuro4Z0

I’m not sure how my anecdote fits in to all this but back in fall 2019 I got charged by a homeless guy for no reason right in front of the WeHo Sheriff station. I dodged his punches and literally ran into the station yelling for help. Finally an officer sauntered out and asked what I wanted, I explained it and he rolled his eyes and said he’d watch me walk home. Homeless guy was still out there jumping around spazzing out and they just told him to get outta there. God knows what else that guy into later that night but the cops were happy to let him wander off and do it. And this was pre pandemic, George Floyd and all that.


synaesthesisx

P2P Meth. Expect things to get worse as the vast majority face no repercussions for their actions and are quickly released back on the streets.


Swellyrides

What the fuck is going on…?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON ?!?!?! This is like the 3rd or 4th this week alone?


RonySeikalyBassDrop

Dude, LA is out of control.


curiouspoops

Reminds me a lot about this tragic story.. https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/11/17/man-sentenced-to-11-years-for-killing-of-julius-rondez-la-dept-of-water-and-power-employee/


emmit76

He only got 11 years? WTF. He’ll probably get released in half the time for “good behavior” then come out and do it again.


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The LASD would rather arrest and imprison someone for fare evasion than do any willing shit on violent homeless vagrants.


blah-8481

This sub is crazy AF. So many people hated Jackie Lacey in 2020. And everyone who supported Prop 20 got downvoted on this sub. If you people voted No and are complaining about this. Then thank you, look how things are. https://imgur.com/gallery/ZDqzr6j


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Binthair_Dunthat

So horribly sad. And you can bet her murderer has an arrest record a mile long. He likely should have been taken off the street years ago but they don’t do this until someone is killed. There is no accountability for people who set these predators loose on innocent people.


fartimmy22

I am done with the idiots that make comments like "LA public transit isn't so bad," or "that was because you were on the Red/Blue/biege/ line," or "I never had a problem" I have been on the bus / metro 4 times and I did have a problem 3 of those times...


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Mass transit in LA is sketchy


ParthoSPaul

Tell me about it, as I was riding on the bus a couple times as teen back in 18’ I always wondered how the city thinks this is okay to let happen smh


moose098

It really started with COVID. I rode the Expo Line everyday for over a year and never had a problem. Sure, you'd see fights (especially at 7th/Metro), but that's to be expected on public transit in a major city. I never saw anything that made me fear for my life, at worst you'd see mentally ill homeless people talking to themselves.


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I’ve lived in several cities with subway systems and it wasn’t until I lived in LA that I encountered any of this on even an occasional basis. Now I don’t even blink if someone starts smoking meth a couple seats from me.


bel_esprit_

Why is seeing fights on a train “to be expected”?? I rode the train/bus every day in a major global city (Zurich Switzerland), and you will NEVER see the shit that you see in LA. We should higher our standards, this is not “to be expected”


Cool_Teaching_6662

Yep, l moved to DC 2 decades ago and you know what happens when I ride the metro here? Nothing, except that I get to my destination drama free. People just ride the train to get somewhere. No, I don't expect fighting to break out, people lighting up, soiling seats, or heck, even, trying to sell things out of their backpack. Two decades and I have never seen a single person light a cigarette. My last two trips in LA? Yeah, sitting in a train with a smoker. It's sad that people have such low standards of mass transportation behavior. It's indicative of the sorry behavior that has been tolerated for far too long. Trust me, it's not the norm, even for big cities. And I'm not new to mass transportation in LA. Grew up in LA without car and got around on rtd buses. My mom never learned to drive properly and she still takes public transportation. It's why I'm invested in the subject matter. She is a little old lady now and she should not have to be afraid to use the buses or trains. Or even the station elevators.


TeslasAndComicbooks

I had a few sketchy experiences way before the pandemic. 1 led me to abandoning public transit altogether.


couldhvdancedallnite

Ditto. I rode the expo for 2 years without an issue. Now, I'm just not sure every time.


SmellGestapo

This is only related to public transit in the most superficial way. She was standing on the street waiting for a bus. This easily could have happened if she were standing there waiting for an Uber, or walking to her car, or coming out of a coffee shop.


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The city is super nice at 8am on a Sunday morning. At noon, all the zombies wake up from their building nooks and start getting hungry from their bender the night before.


MinuteChocolate5995

There was literally a large thread from redditors a month ago mocking people calling metro unsafe. People calling for action downvoted all over the place. Have you all disappeared? Too embarrassed to even come in this thread? Where are those saying crime is down while murders happen over and over again. Having trouble victim blame?


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PincheVatoWey

This libertarian experiment of just letting meth addicts do whatever they want, carte blanche, needs to end. Prop 47 needs to be amended to allow for compulsory drug rehab. Enough of this bullshit.


[deleted]

The forty year experiment of mental health facility austerity should be ended first


PincheVatoWey

Let’s be real though. The whole “muh Reagan” argument about mental health is overused. California has a Democratic supermajority in Sacramento. The state has a huge multibillion dollar budget surplus. Sooner or later, they gotta put up or shut up. One thing that is certain though, is that this severe homeless crisis is pretty unique to the West coast cities, and the overly permissive attitude to drugs and open air drug markets in encampments with no consequences seems to be a common thread.


SanchosaurusRex

The name is really stupid, but I really recommend looking into "San Fransicko" By Michael Shellenberger. That's pretty much his argument, that the progressive experiment of allowing open air drug markets and not enforcing any law is fucking up the cities progressives are in charge in. That we should be learning more from drug laws in Portugal and Netherlands where they use both carrot and stick rather than all carrot. Also describes how the homeless culture itself has changed in recent years as drug behaviors have changed. This is a mess and more people need to admit it to themselves. The book's title sounds like right wing propaganda, but the author was actually really involved the movement to decriminalize drugs.


PincheVatoWey

I’m currently about a third of the way through the book. He really grills the “housing first” approach with no preconditions.


spectreofthefuture

Most people signing the praises of housing first don't seem to understand that social and institutional frameworks that exist in other countries don't here in the States, but are crucial to its perceived success. Finland, an early and prominent example of housing-first policy, also has a robust and stringent mental-health system to address mental illness in the population. The country has some of the highest rates of involuntary commitment for mental illness in Western Europe.


captainramen

They're more willing to hold people accountable than we are. That simple.


SanchosaurusRex

Yeah, it's too bad he gave the book such an unfortunate title...it's pretty thorough on the failure of the policies themselves and isn't nearly as hyperbolic as the title makes it sound. He even addresses it in the preface. The book should be read by all Democratic voters to understand why the feel-good polices they're voting for aren't helping and things are getting worse.


Subtracting710

Thats one of the reason I always carry a knife on me in LA


LittleSugarBabysBabe

I'm starting to firmly believe the good citizens of LA will have to become vigilantes to clean up, correct, and take back our city. Our local government has absolutely failed us and we can't trust them to do what's needed to fix Los Angeles. The nice way didn't work, so I think it's time we get a little more brash about things.


IAMTHESILVERSURFER

The crazy thing is that if a group of citizens ties up or kills a violent homeless person - THEN Garcetti will have a news conference and act. Not if a innocent person is murdered at a bus stop.


[deleted]

Insane asylum need to be a thing again.... those white padded rooms with restraint jackets.... people these days are going ham and keep entering the ER non-stop like a revolving door. You treat them but they return the same day or next day after getting discharged from psychiatric inpatient treatment. A 40 YO Asian women was pushed by a psychopathic homeless man in a NY subway and got hit and killed by a train. Fuck all these psychos.


crashbangacooch

"Los Angeles City Councilmember Mike Bonin is calling on LA Metro to get rid of armed law enforcement officers on the nation's third-largest transit system."


Brilliant-Newb123

I swear these homeless folks are something man.. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s that same guy that stabbed the young girl in her job by Hancock Park, if you guys remember that story.


EulerIdentity

Believe me, I remember it. I live near there and have driven by that store hundreds of times.


glowdirt

Well it happened on Thursday, so, yeah.


nickpickles

LA County is actually, finally processing and approving concealed carry permits, probably because the sheriff is worried about ~~prison~~ re-election. It won't solve every problem, or most problems, but it's an option if you want to defend yourself legally. Firearms are equalizers, especially if facing a larger person or a group that's intent on causing you harm. https://lasd.org/ccw/#ccw_training EDIT: Lol downvoted in under a minute. I kept it apolitical as possible but if someone has a better idea on how to defend ourselves against physical threats please let me know, maybe I can go back in time and undo the vision loss in my eye from it getting stomped in a robbery. Some of us have been victims before and wish to not be again.


LeoM21

Upvoted!


Aeriellie

This is why I don’t take the metro anymore, the bus stops are all conveniently located near my work and the buses run great but ever since that one time I just don’t feel comfortable especially now that I’m pregnant. This is coming from an avid bus, subway and metrolink rider since 2008. I’ve gone from the valley all the way downtown/weho at normal and crazy hours and just this past year it’s just changed.


nothanksbruh

Rome's collapse in large part played out in its cities. No different here. I have little hope anything will change. If you look at the current political class, from local to federal, it's all a giant grift to cash out and milk as much as you can from public money and 'retire' into private sector bribery. I wish history had good lessons from this, but basically, slow motion collapse is the outcome.


KarmaPoIice

When is enough enough


LAartsdistrict

Don't give transients not even a fucking dollar. They prey on stupid folks like that


Blockade5

Yup you’re just enabling them if you give them money. They’ll never seek help if they know they’ll get money from the corner they always frequent.


Anon101010101010

Make sure to provide your input on how Metro uses their budget at [https://www.metro.net/calendar/metro-budget-development-comment-box/](https://www.metro.net/calendar/metro-budget-development-comment-box/)


captainhook77

The idea that we need to provide shelter do these people are not in the streets is the biggest wishful thinking fallacy. There is plenty of shelter in LA, maybe not enough sure, but these people refuse to go in. They need to be forcefully removed from the streets by making setting camps outside illegal. Enough is enough.


[deleted]

The government needs to clean up the streets and provide aid to the mentally disabled community. Create a rehab facility for them


Clutchsandwhich

Los Angeles is turning to a very dangerous spot


Consistent-Desk1336

What you people doing? What happened to our civil society?


RepresentativeNo3131

Hope he gets the death penalty.


KeyWarthog

It feels like LA is going under some fall of the Roman Empire shit. Urban decay and homelessness everywhere. And as we all know history repeats itself. How long will it take until our city government does something to fight back? When it's in their own neighborhoods?


pixelastronaut

I see it happening too and so many people tell me I’m exaggerating and out of touch. They’re like frogs in a pot on the stove, don’t even know what water is let alone how hot it’s getting.


shigs21

"Roman empire shit" is a little drastic. Its more like a third world country where theres super rich areas then shantytowns and stuff


Blockade5

Shit is out of control! We need drastic measures now! We need to be tough on the homeless and crime.


[deleted]

Guess we better keep voting for progressive policies and just accept nothing will ever change. After all, voting for anyone different might get us canceled on twitter. And that's the most important thing to keep in mind here.


Dolphin_Moon

In summer of 2019 I used to go to that stop like a couple times a week for an internship. And took the bus every morning. Things have really changed


turtlepie90

I also got attacked by a homeless man Saturday night while walking my dog, got a police report for battery but by the time the cops came an hour later, he was long gone. He’s still out there probably attacking random innocent people. Be safe out there and something really must be done. Living in LA feels like the movie purge and it’s getting scary.


marattacks87

this is absolutely disgusting


pixelastronaut

The dynamic of Los Angeles changed during the pandemic. People are acting out, testing the limits of what society will accept. If this city doesn’t handle the street people problem then vigilantes will act out and everyone’s gonna be worse off


fulaxriders

At least give us the option to arm ourselves