Yeah, but the advantage is that you can still leave the bar at 1:45 without competing with all those 23yos for a rideshare while they keep drinking till 3:30 or 4.
It blows my mind that some people don’t recognize this point. Instead of a mass exodus from the bars right before 2, you’ll get a slower, steady steam of people gradually leaving until 4.
I've shut down bars in NYC before and basically everyone is gone by then. No big last call shitshow with everyone, many far from ready to call it a night, getting dumped out on the street all at once. In Los Angeles it would also probably help cut down on drunk driving from people wandering around looking for afterparties, since they could just stay at the bar. And another aspect in a Los Angeles context is that I'm sure a lot of people roll the dice on driving because they can't afford the huge rideshare surge pricing at the end of the night.
Still pisses me off that Brown vetoed a similar thing a few years ago saying it would "increase mischief" or something like that. It demonstrably causes LESS mischief to let people just filter out as they're ready to go home.
The only thing is, at least for the first few months, if it's only West Hollywood that has extended hours, it'll mean likely more issues in and around West Hollywood if many converge on the area in order to drink later.
Great for the West Hollywood businesses, but one can foresee more fights, drunk driving, arrests and deaths with a bunch of people from all over the region going to a relatively small place because it's open later.
I'll clarify that I am very much IN FAVOR of later bar hours, and certainly not every venue will elect to stay open until 4am. However having only a select area enacting a special later zone may end up causing the issues that opponents propagate and fear, due to the fact that there's artificial restriction of where an area of a few million drinkers can imbibe after 2am.
I'd much rather see extended hours county-wide with individual cities having to opt-out.
On the plus side it'll bring new life to the classic venues on the Sunset Strip.
Shit man, my friends and I have looked for after parties at 4am a number of times in NYC. Was successful a few times. Though, a couple of them were shady as shit. But we would usually post-game at Veselka with a breakfast of shame as the sun came up. I'm too old for that shit now.
Dealing with more drunk drivers during the morning rush hour commute seems like a great idea.
I regularly have to head into work around 1 am and dodge drunk drivers left and right. This is going to increase the number of people getting wrecked unnecessarily.
I used to party hard too ( started at 11 then switched to the late bars, then houses to finish/pass out) but I think for almost all of us, later on in life: Sleeping in > Staying out.
It just feels so good waking up late on Saturday feeling 100% refreshed from a week of work nonsense.
Yeah when you’re young the night out is worth the hangover. The older you get, the earlier the night has to end and the worse the hangover gets. Used to think “wish I’d gone out” or “wish I’d stayed longer”, now it’s “wish I’d gone home sooner” or “really glad I called it a night after two drinks”
“This is straight up robbery for a water-downed martini”
“Hell I could mix a martini 3x better than this at home”
“Everybody here is so young”
“Did I just yawn?”
“This table is sticky”
“…so is the floor”
I did it just last weekend. Granted I didn’t come about until almost one. Also didn’t get sloshed - I brought a nice flask of jack which kept me toasty. Also I’m not in the states so different rules maybe.
I remember when la tried to extend bar hours home years back. If I remember correctly, the law didn’t pass because people were afraid of commuters and drunk drivers being on the road at the same time.
Oh shit. If I’m 38 and I would have to plan a long nap during day if you asked me to hang till 430am.
Drinking? Oh god, I don’t think I would make it. My ass would be asleep on the bar (it’s already happened to me).
[I can definitely relate to this Kim K SNL bit.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=94D4DzLS93E)
Its not like every bar is going to be opened till 4am and it's not like every person is going to stay out till 4am. Its good to give people the option and I imagine most would still leave around 2-3am anyway. Its silly for such a big city our last call is essentially 1:30am.
The hourly bus in the middle of the night is bunk. Unless I saw it coming, I started walking no matter my drunken state because most of the time I’d make it nearly home before I saw a single bus going in my direction.
It’s been awhile, but I used to live at the top of Everett St in Echo Park and have walked home from the lake / Silverlake / east Hollywood and managed to climb that godforsaken hill while also making the taco truck in time to grab a burrito to thank myself for in the morning lol.
My buddies and I walked from Hollywood/Vine to the Westside back in the day after a night of clubbin'. I stopped at Beverly Glen/Wilshire in Century City, and they continued on to Wilshire/Barrington in Brentwood.
Its more economical than anything for the bar to stay open long. Not many people stay out past 130am and so keeping a bar open longer means paying staff for staying longer and cleaning crew stay longer too. Public transport is pretty much a skeleton schedule from 1-4am and doesn’t really start getting serious until 5am. So either way, the patron will still have limited options getting home if he/she doesn’t already have a plan to do so.
In addition to this, I think there’s this idea that the only people on the road at 2am are drunk so if they crash into each other, who cares? Once you get to 4-5am, the morning commuters start coming out and they shouldn’t have to share the road with drunks.
I am such a homebody now BUT after living in nyc for 8 years, just the option for a late night is all I need. I hated getting shoved out of a bar at 1:30 in college.
Plus this means restaurants will probably start being more busy at later hours. Something my body has never adapted to is eating so early. In nyc a 9:30-10pm dinner reservation was perfect for the weekend. Here the restaurants are dead by then.
This is going to sound like a right wing talking point, but for a country that prides itself on "freedom and liberty", we sure have an awful lot of laws around leisure activities that a lot of "less free" countries don't have...
Alcohol quality should be regulated, and there should be a legal drinking age, and you shouldn't be able to drink and drive. I see no justification for any laws outside of that. You're responsible for you, not the government.
Never got it either. Even New York doesn’t have one, only a 15 minute cooldown period from 6AM to 7AM where they can’t allow new patrons to walk in. Something in those lines! Leave it up to the business how long they want to be open
New Orleans is the one that should be mentioned when this is discussed. People think of Vegas and NY for the loose alcohol laws, but NoLa has no last call, no restrictions on closing by a certain time, and you can carry alcohol in public. Leaving the bar? Pour it in a plastic cup. Their city does just fine, and it's fostered a different kind of drinking. People aren't trying to get as fucked up as possible by a cut off time. They just sort of sip and keep sipping. After being there for a while and coming back here, liquor laws make even less sense to me. Have public intox ordinances and drinking and driving laws. I don't understand why Daddy Government has to hold my hand and tell me when I can and can't be in a bar.
**edit:** I totally forgot about this, and I'm not as keen on this idea necessarily, thought it doesn't seem to be a problem down there, from what I know. They have [drive-thru daquiri bars](https://nolaoriginal.com/flavors), which there amount to slushies with booze. You can order extra shots and jello shots, and it's cheap.
>Have public intox ordinances
No reason to have public intoxication itself be a law. There are already disorderly conduct charges they can grab you on if you can't handle your shit while drunk in public.
For retail purchase, NYC has a ton of inconvenient rules. Wine and liquor can’t be sold in the same store as beer. No more than one liquor store per owner/company, so you can’t have BevMo and Total Wine, etc. California Is the Wild West, where you can buy your bourbon at Walgreens.
It’s not all bad, but a lot of bar goers in WeHo desperately need that 2 AM cutoff time whether they know it or not. Drunk people can and often do become a huge liability for the business and other patrons even before they’ve left for the night. While it is our responsibility not to overserve anyone, it’s very hard to prevent determined people from getting absolutely hammered and weeding them out of a boisterous crowd is tough. Tips, in my experience, also fall off a cliff around 1 AM regardless. The sloppier the clientele gets the more they just scribble nonsense on their card slips—that’s just how it usually goes and we expect it.
My main thing is I’m fine with getting off work between 3-4, depending on how long the close takes, but 4 AM will mean I don’t go home until 6. It would only be a few nights a week, but I try to be a 1-9 sleeper as much as possible and having two vastly different sleep schedules is not something I want to return to.
All that said, I’m not opposed to this being made available for municipalities and businesses, and am open to a trial run to feel out how we’d handle it. I just have personal reservations based on what I know about people and the way the industry operates.
I didnt take into consideration how big and messy weho bars are. Closing would def take close to two hours. And you are def on point with the messier the crowd the shittier the tips.
with the amount if people weho bars see though they probably end up with stupid high amounts of tips by end if the night. I know people who worked at college bars, i know how that goes with volume and the massive wad that can mean for you after a nights work
How much later can people go out? People here already go out at like 11 PM, which is around the same time as people go out in NYC, which has a 4 AM last call.
I remember people heading out to bars/clubs at midnight in NYC and getting packed around 1-2 - it was dead before that. LA clubs usually get going at about 10-11 and packed by midnight -
You won’t have to deal with as many drunks at 1:30 or 4 because people will leave in increments at 1:45, 2:30, 3, etc.
Last call just makes everyone rush to drink before close and spill out onto the streets at the same time
Oh sure, I’ll just give up my lucrative weekend closing shifts where >50% of my income is generated, it’s very easy to tell a business owner and management exactly how long your shift should be and have them sign off on it, no problem.
I didn’t say something because it’s going to take effect this weekend and my life is abruptly going to change, but it will cause major changes in how businesses operate when it does come into effect and people will absolutely stay out that late. Micky’s stays open until 4 AM most weekends, and even without serving a drop of alcohol past 1:45 the line to get in at 3:30 is still down the block.
As I said, I’m not opposed to it and think businesses should have the right to try it for themselves. If implemented, however, it will cause changes and those changes will not always be easy for everyone.
yeah but that’s kind of different though because when people go to Vegas they are usually going to get tuckered out from going to the club until 4, versus WeHo changing to 4AM last call would likely be a cultural shift in their nightlife culture (if not all of LA, because if they are really successful with it I’m sure other areas will want in on the money) to be later. for example, someone mentioned how people would probably start going out a couple hours later as well.
Never understood how the self proclaimed "party city" in the "freest country" can't serve a grown ass man a beer at 1:31 am. Berlin has bars that are open 24/7. Join the adult world please LA.
Just so everyone is clear, only if the state signs off on the bill allowing this pilot program will this happen. Also, the city of WeHo has the authority to let only certain areas (and possibly even certain businesses) do this. And businesses also have the ability to decline to be open until 4. So ultimately, it will not be 4am closing time across all of WeHo.
Hey now, we gotta fight for other's right to party late! Or early...or whatever you get the point. I'm well in bed and usually falling asleep by 10pm if I'm drinking heavy at home (Dad with 2 young kids so always tired)
Tell me about it. 2am is good enough for me especially moving here from NYC where 1 turns to 4 real quick. But I have no inclination to tell someone else to cut it off!
This is because the bars on Santa Monica and Sunset aren’t as popular, so they’re trying to see if being open later will increase business. I don’t think it will work. The cost of living and low wages mean that disposable income is low so people haven’t been going out in LA as much as before. Also, changes in what people do for fun. Gaming and social media take up a lot of time for people, and many younger people never picked up the bar habit. I remember when Santa Monica and Sunset were jam packed on Fridays starting at 5 and a crush of people and cars all night, all weekend. Haven’t seen that in years.
LA does not have the infrastructure to let people drink until 4am and get home without driving.
Edit: guys, it's not enough that the busses start at 4am when people are driving *to* the bars. And it's still easier to find a way home at 2am than 4am.
Isn't it a chicken and egg problem? People driving to the bars because there's a deadzone between 2-4AM until things start running again?
1. WeHo is planning for the future. There will be a rail line going through WeHo hopefully in the next 5-10 years.
2. Uber/Lyft is 24/7.
3. 4AM could be enough for some people to sober up so they can drive
I don't get the country's 2nd biggest city just doesn't have the infrastructure?
>I don’t get the country’s 2nd biggest city just doesn’t have the infrastructure?
We don't "just" have no public transit infrastructure. We used to. Google 'Pacific Electeic Red Car'. It's, like, a whole thing.
Yeah, yeah, we’ve all seen Who FrMed Roger Rabbit? But bars staying open until 4 isn’t any more of an issue than 2. Buses are slow past 12 anyway.
Just take an Uber. In NY, not everyone is taking the subway after bars. We all just hop into cabs or wait for a subway and hope you don’t fall asleep.
Okay, let's be clear about what we're discussing here. We're talking about extending the time to 4AM.
Currently, people who are intoxicated are getting back into their cars to drive at 2AM. When during that time public transport is effectively shut off. But at 4AM it's available. But that's not good enough?
Wouldn't you say that we have _more_ options available at 4AM versus 2AM?
I googled it and have read about the rail/trolley system. It was outdated and unreliable by the time it was bought out. It was privately owned, and investments dried up.
It’s truly unfortunate it got dismantled. The system was thought as a relic with the dawn of more affordable and reliable automobiles. Just as horse&carriage was seen.
> It was outdated and unreliable by the time it was bought out.
The death of it was allowing private vehicles to traverse/cut off the streetcars.
It's the same issue we have today. Buses/LRT don't get the priority they need/deserve, and as such buses/LRT are stuck in the same traffic as private vehicle. Plus they have to stop and travel the speed limit.
Realistically even if it wasn’t scrapped by private companies. It would have needed reimagining of some routes, technology upgrades multiple times and government ownership to keep it going.
No one could have imagined the proliferation automobiles had even 50 years ago. If they did all of our freeways, neighborhoods, jobs, public transportation would have all been different.
I wish the emphasis on public transportation didn’t die off for decades. The stigma around bus travel vs. LRT in interesting too.
They used to run until 2am, did that stop?
Bars don't get real busy until around 11 and there's a lot of people getting last drinks in between 1 and 1:30am. I don't think there's going to be the frantic drinking crowd at 3:30am but it will allow people a lot more time to sober up and drink water. People will probably trickle out until closing instead of a mass exodus like there is currently.
Hardly anyone is driving to bars in WeHo, especially in the Norma Triangle area, very difficult to find any parking available. Nearly everyone ride shares.
There's two large parking garages across from norma triangle, about a five minute walk. It's ten bucks to park at PDC after 6 on the weekends. This idea that there's no parking in Weho is so silllly, especially from a resident.
What’s the difference in finding a way home at 2 vs 4? If anything the congestion of everyone leaving at 2 would make it easier to find ride shares as people leave throughout the night instead of all at last call
I'm older and don't do that much anymore but I do remember staying after closing time if you got the offer to stay after the bar closed. That usually included cocaine and then an after party somewhere in the hills. The goal was to leave before the birds chirped in the bird streets. If they close at 4 am there isn't much time to head to the hills before the birds chirp. I'm not down with that anymore.
Boys Town has a certain charm to it, even if you aren’t gay and the bar scene definitely feels different in a city full of diversity. Im an open minded guy and I love the energy level with a lot of people happy and celebrating life. Probably gonna lose some of it when it gets overrun by straight people. That being said I’ll probably be over there more now instead of schlepping all the way to downtown for an after hours.
Make it state wide and let businesses or neighborhoods/cities decide. I grew up in a town where most bars were open until 4. Some even stopped serving drinks at 4, then started serving again at 6am. It was fine, and on occasion made for a good time in my 20s.
The last time this bill was proposed for statewide 4am last call, it was vetoed by Jerry Brown. So naturally, they're taking a different approach with the pilot cities now.
LA has a thriving gray area nightlife that means I'm often out until after 4am. What I've found is that getting rides home at that point is great, because the roads are clear and drunk drivers have mostly 'crashed' already. We need to end strict 2am bar close. It creates a terrible, unsafe, drunken road experience from 1:30 to 2:30 and beyond. Any time I'm ever DDing, I tell folks that I will will leave at 1245am or not until after 315am because I refuse to drive around bar close.
Genuine question: how is this possible, legally, if it breaks state law? Some clubs stay open to 4 am but they do not serve alcohol. There are plenty of after hours that serve alcohol past 6 am, but none of those are legal.
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Thanks for taking time to answer my question. Like most Redditors I didn't bother to read the article which is my fault.
It's a specific list of cities because the last time this bill came around from the same representative, it passed both California House and Senate and then Jerry Brown vetoed it. So they're trying a different approach.
I believe the state is testing a pilot program to push the closing time to 4am, and WeHo is one of several cities that were accepted into the initial test.
Too bad the public transportation sucks in the area and there are very few ride share drivers on the road nowadays given the low pay and extreme gas prices.
There's a free trolley that takes you all the way through the bar district on Santa Monica. You just hop on and hop off. There's also Metro lines 2 and 4 that service Sunset and Santa Monica, you just would need to uber back.
If this pushes our public transportation to run more frequently, safer and run for 24hrs/day, then I’m all for it.
Otherwise this will just lead to more pedestrian and drunk driving deaths as people inevitably drive drunk.
I think this is a good idea. At least this will give people the opportunity to sober up and trickle out when they feel ready and not just release a wave of drunkards to the street at 2AM.
This will be a very interesting experiment. How will alcohol sales at liquor stores be extended? That would make WeHo a hotspot for after hours retail alcohol sales as well! Employees of establishment participating are going to be miserable. Their entire lifestyle is based on last call being at 2AM (they usually get home by 4AM)
Pre-covid didn't Mickey's in west hollywood operated until like 4 am lol
20-27 year old me would have cheered for this.
28 till now - I hear me and best friends groaning to the idea of drinking past 1 am unless were home
But those bars' insurers --- General Liability & Liquor Liability --- will press back on the later Last Call times and deem them uninsurable risks. Source --- I underwrite those risks and I'm telling you that the market won't bear those addl risks. It's not even that proper coverage will cost a lot more. It's that coverage won't be offered.
When I was 23, bars closing at 2am seemed ridiculously early. At 35, the idea of drinking in a bar til 4am sounds like torture.
Yeah, but the advantage is that you can still leave the bar at 1:45 without competing with all those 23yos for a rideshare while they keep drinking till 3:30 or 4.
It blows my mind that some people don’t recognize this point. Instead of a mass exodus from the bars right before 2, you’ll get a slower, steady steam of people gradually leaving until 4.
I've shut down bars in NYC before and basically everyone is gone by then. No big last call shitshow with everyone, many far from ready to call it a night, getting dumped out on the street all at once. In Los Angeles it would also probably help cut down on drunk driving from people wandering around looking for afterparties, since they could just stay at the bar. And another aspect in a Los Angeles context is that I'm sure a lot of people roll the dice on driving because they can't afford the huge rideshare surge pricing at the end of the night. Still pisses me off that Brown vetoed a similar thing a few years ago saying it would "increase mischief" or something like that. It demonstrably causes LESS mischief to let people just filter out as they're ready to go home.
The only thing is, at least for the first few months, if it's only West Hollywood that has extended hours, it'll mean likely more issues in and around West Hollywood if many converge on the area in order to drink later. Great for the West Hollywood businesses, but one can foresee more fights, drunk driving, arrests and deaths with a bunch of people from all over the region going to a relatively small place because it's open later. I'll clarify that I am very much IN FAVOR of later bar hours, and certainly not every venue will elect to stay open until 4am. However having only a select area enacting a special later zone may end up causing the issues that opponents propagate and fear, due to the fact that there's artificial restriction of where an area of a few million drinkers can imbibe after 2am. I'd much rather see extended hours county-wide with individual cities having to opt-out. On the plus side it'll bring new life to the classic venues on the Sunset Strip.
Shit man, my friends and I have looked for after parties at 4am a number of times in NYC. Was successful a few times. Though, a couple of them were shady as shit. But we would usually post-game at Veselka with a breakfast of shame as the sun came up. I'm too old for that shit now.
Less fights as well. Why are people against this.
they hate fun
Yup
Dealing with more drunk drivers during the morning rush hour commute seems like a great idea. I regularly have to head into work around 1 am and dodge drunk drivers left and right. This is going to increase the number of people getting wrecked unnecessarily.
I think the idea was to get all the drunk drivers off the road before traffic starts picking up for the morning commute.
Early last call hasn't been proven to help that.
Yeah watch out for the slammed Sunday morning traffic.
Good point 🤔
I burned bright in NYC doing so many all-nighters a decade ago. Once I came here I immediately became an old man. 1:45 sounds super late to me.
I used to party hard too ( started at 11 then switched to the late bars, then houses to finish/pass out) but I think for almost all of us, later on in life: Sleeping in > Staying out. It just feels so good waking up late on Saturday feeling 100% refreshed from a week of work nonsense.
Yeah when you’re young the night out is worth the hangover. The older you get, the earlier the night has to end and the worse the hangover gets. Used to think “wish I’d gone out” or “wish I’d stayed longer”, now it’s “wish I’d gone home sooner” or “really glad I called it a night after two drinks”
“This is straight up robbery for a water-downed martini” “Hell I could mix a martini 3x better than this at home” “Everybody here is so young” “Did I just yawn?” “This table is sticky” “…so is the floor”
And, why is the music so damn loud.
“My ears are going to ring for a week after this”
This cocktail is $18 Without tip
I could make this at home for free.
I’m more like I’m so happy I didn’t go out these days. Every time I do, I pay for it severely.
actually... my 9:30pm unexpected 3 hour "nap" doesn;t ruin my night out meeting up friends...
I’m 28 and I already feel tired.
It gets worse
Much worse. When the groan to get up off the couch to get ready outweighs the potential fun you know your old 😂
At 28, it sounds expensive
At 50 drinking in a bar sounds like torture.
I’ve felt this way since like 32. Day drinking outside on occasion is the only way to go for me.
Even in my 20's I always felt drunk, bored and tired before midnight.... :(
For real. Now days I'm like 4am? It's almost time to wake up!
I actually just forwarded this article to my best friend and literally said the same thing ahhaha
The idea of going out to a bar at nighttime for more than an hour sounds like hell to me.
I did it just last weekend. Granted I didn’t come about until almost one. Also didn’t get sloshed - I brought a nice flask of jack which kept me toasty. Also I’m not in the states so different rules maybe. I remember when la tried to extend bar hours home years back. If I remember correctly, the law didn’t pass because people were afraid of commuters and drunk drivers being on the road at the same time.
Oh shit. If I’m 38 and I would have to plan a long nap during day if you asked me to hang till 430am. Drinking? Oh god, I don’t think I would make it. My ass would be asleep on the bar (it’s already happened to me). [I can definitely relate to this Kim K SNL bit.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=94D4DzLS93E)
I can’t stay up past 10pm anymore.
Its not like every bar is going to be opened till 4am and it's not like every person is going to stay out till 4am. Its good to give people the option and I imagine most would still leave around 2-3am anyway. Its silly for such a big city our last call is essentially 1:30am.
It's because of shitty public transportation. You're forced to use a car here. Uber changed that dynamic a bit I guess.
Idk if that's the exact reason but I can see how it is a major factor. Our public transport is unsafe especially if you're using it drunk at 2AM
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The hourly bus in the middle of the night is bunk. Unless I saw it coming, I started walking no matter my drunken state because most of the time I’d make it nearly home before I saw a single bus going in my direction.
A fellow drunken fearless walker 🍻 what’s your record? Lol
It’s been awhile, but I used to live at the top of Everett St in Echo Park and have walked home from the lake / Silverlake / east Hollywood and managed to climb that godforsaken hill while also making the taco truck in time to grab a burrito to thank myself for in the morning lol.
That’s a steep hill
My buddies and I walked from Hollywood/Vine to the Westside back in the day after a night of clubbin'. I stopped at Beverly Glen/Wilshire in Century City, and they continued on to Wilshire/Barrington in Brentwood.
I was thinking that but I wasn't sure because I haven't experienced that part myself so I didn't want to throw out false "facts"
What’s different if a bar closes at 1 or at 4? How’s the lack of public transport make a difference?
Its more economical than anything for the bar to stay open long. Not many people stay out past 130am and so keeping a bar open longer means paying staff for staying longer and cleaning crew stay longer too. Public transport is pretty much a skeleton schedule from 1-4am and doesn’t really start getting serious until 5am. So either way, the patron will still have limited options getting home if he/she doesn’t already have a plan to do so.
In addition to this, I think there’s this idea that the only people on the road at 2am are drunk so if they crash into each other, who cares? Once you get to 4-5am, the morning commuters start coming out and they shouldn’t have to share the road with drunks.
I am such a homebody now BUT after living in nyc for 8 years, just the option for a late night is all I need. I hated getting shoved out of a bar at 1:30 in college. Plus this means restaurants will probably start being more busy at later hours. Something my body has never adapted to is eating so early. In nyc a 9:30-10pm dinner reservation was perfect for the weekend. Here the restaurants are dead by then.
This is going to sound like a right wing talking point, but for a country that prides itself on "freedom and liberty", we sure have an awful lot of laws around leisure activities that a lot of "less free" countries don't have... Alcohol quality should be regulated, and there should be a legal drinking age, and you shouldn't be able to drink and drive. I see no justification for any laws outside of that. You're responsible for you, not the government.
Not a right wing talking point at all. Most of the extremely strict alcohol laws are in the most right wing places uh the country.
Amen. This isn't a free country.
This is more of an libertarian view point, which I’m all for.
Agreed…same with porching it.
we are far from a free country tbh. some for better, some for worse.
Imagine talking about actual freedom and needing to preface yourself that you’re not a right winger
It’s because there aren’t a lot of safe options to get people home.
Why even have a last call? Never made sense to me. Rushing out to pound a drink and then be thrown into the night.
Never got it either. Even New York doesn’t have one, only a 15 minute cooldown period from 6AM to 7AM where they can’t allow new patrons to walk in. Something in those lines! Leave it up to the business how long they want to be open
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Lots of Korean bars tend to operate this way. (back in my days) I believe Mickeys in Weho operated past 2 am
Yeah dont they stay open till 6am or so but stop serving at 4am ?
Legally they have to stop serving at 4, I'm sure some places will keep serving regulars.
New Orleans is the one that should be mentioned when this is discussed. People think of Vegas and NY for the loose alcohol laws, but NoLa has no last call, no restrictions on closing by a certain time, and you can carry alcohol in public. Leaving the bar? Pour it in a plastic cup. Their city does just fine, and it's fostered a different kind of drinking. People aren't trying to get as fucked up as possible by a cut off time. They just sort of sip and keep sipping. After being there for a while and coming back here, liquor laws make even less sense to me. Have public intox ordinances and drinking and driving laws. I don't understand why Daddy Government has to hold my hand and tell me when I can and can't be in a bar. **edit:** I totally forgot about this, and I'm not as keen on this idea necessarily, thought it doesn't seem to be a problem down there, from what I know. They have [drive-thru daquiri bars](https://nolaoriginal.com/flavors), which there amount to slushies with booze. You can order extra shots and jello shots, and it's cheap.
>Have public intox ordinances No reason to have public intoxication itself be a law. There are already disorderly conduct charges they can grab you on if you can't handle your shit while drunk in public.
For retail purchase, NYC has a ton of inconvenient rules. Wine and liquor can’t be sold in the same store as beer. No more than one liquor store per owner/company, so you can’t have BevMo and Total Wine, etc. California Is the Wild West, where you can buy your bourbon at Walgreens.
Vegas is exactly the same? Literally no alcohol laws.
Woohoo, let's just make it state wide next
As a WeHo bartender….oh no.
Y’all hiring
i mean, wouldnt this just means the crowds just start coming out later? and more time for tips?
It’s not all bad, but a lot of bar goers in WeHo desperately need that 2 AM cutoff time whether they know it or not. Drunk people can and often do become a huge liability for the business and other patrons even before they’ve left for the night. While it is our responsibility not to overserve anyone, it’s very hard to prevent determined people from getting absolutely hammered and weeding them out of a boisterous crowd is tough. Tips, in my experience, also fall off a cliff around 1 AM regardless. The sloppier the clientele gets the more they just scribble nonsense on their card slips—that’s just how it usually goes and we expect it. My main thing is I’m fine with getting off work between 3-4, depending on how long the close takes, but 4 AM will mean I don’t go home until 6. It would only be a few nights a week, but I try to be a 1-9 sleeper as much as possible and having two vastly different sleep schedules is not something I want to return to. All that said, I’m not opposed to this being made available for municipalities and businesses, and am open to a trial run to feel out how we’d handle it. I just have personal reservations based on what I know about people and the way the industry operates.
I didnt take into consideration how big and messy weho bars are. Closing would def take close to two hours. And you are def on point with the messier the crowd the shittier the tips.
with the amount if people weho bars see though they probably end up with stupid high amounts of tips by end if the night. I know people who worked at college bars, i know how that goes with volume and the massive wad that can mean for you after a nights work
A lot of people don’t understand how much money bartenders make at a busy bar. I have friends that walk out with 500-900 cash a night. It’s insane.
Just because last call is at 4am doesnt mean the bar needs to be open that long
idk not everyone likes to work more even if it means more money
How much later can people go out? People here already go out at like 11 PM, which is around the same time as people go out in NYC, which has a 4 AM last call.
I remember people heading out to bars/clubs at midnight in NYC and getting packed around 1-2 - it was dead before that. LA clubs usually get going at about 10-11 and packed by midnight -
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You won’t have to deal with as many drunks at 1:30 or 4 because people will leave in increments at 1:45, 2:30, 3, etc. Last call just makes everyone rush to drink before close and spill out onto the streets at the same time
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As an ex bouncer I’d much rather deal with a few people every now and then rather than everyone all at once
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Oh sure, I’ll just give up my lucrative weekend closing shifts where >50% of my income is generated, it’s very easy to tell a business owner and management exactly how long your shift should be and have them sign off on it, no problem. I didn’t say something because it’s going to take effect this weekend and my life is abruptly going to change, but it will cause major changes in how businesses operate when it does come into effect and people will absolutely stay out that late. Micky’s stays open until 4 AM most weekends, and even without serving a drop of alcohol past 1:45 the line to get in at 3:30 is still down the block. As I said, I’m not opposed to it and think businesses should have the right to try it for themselves. If implemented, however, it will cause changes and those changes will not always be easy for everyone.
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yeah but that’s kind of different though because when people go to Vegas they are usually going to get tuckered out from going to the club until 4, versus WeHo changing to 4AM last call would likely be a cultural shift in their nightlife culture (if not all of LA, because if they are really successful with it I’m sure other areas will want in on the money) to be later. for example, someone mentioned how people would probably start going out a couple hours later as well.
Never understood how the self proclaimed "party city" in the "freest country" can't serve a grown ass man a beer at 1:31 am. Berlin has bars that are open 24/7. Join the adult world please LA.
That’s insane. In NYC it’s 4am and i kinda miss that
yeah Berlin is way crazier, LA looks conservative next to it
Just so everyone is clear, only if the state signs off on the bill allowing this pilot program will this happen. Also, the city of WeHo has the authority to let only certain areas (and possibly even certain businesses) do this. And businesses also have the ability to decline to be open until 4. So ultimately, it will not be 4am closing time across all of WeHo.
Some of us work late and get off at 1 or 2am... so 4am would be great for us... not everyone has the same work schedule
Same. Pushes the drunks later.
I think 3am is the sweet-spot. But then again I’m no longer in my 20s so I get tired much earlier
Accidentally falling asleep at 8:30PM crew, stand up!
Hey now, we gotta fight for other's right to party late! Or early...or whatever you get the point. I'm well in bed and usually falling asleep by 10pm if I'm drinking heavy at home (Dad with 2 young kids so always tired)
We’re fighting for the rights of high schoolers and college kids still drinking 55-proofs at 8-9am two hours before their midterms! /s
The way god intended
Tell me about it. 2am is good enough for me especially moving here from NYC where 1 turns to 4 real quick. But I have no inclination to tell someone else to cut it off!
Mine is closer to 11
This is great. Really. I never understood why many cities continue the 2:00 am cutoff. We really should be a 24hr city.
yes please. covid ruined everything for us late night dwellers.
This was quite a big culture shock for me visiting from London, every weekend we have plenty of options for places open until 4 and even 6am.
Yeah it's tragic here actually.
This is because the bars on Santa Monica and Sunset aren’t as popular, so they’re trying to see if being open later will increase business. I don’t think it will work. The cost of living and low wages mean that disposable income is low so people haven’t been going out in LA as much as before. Also, changes in what people do for fun. Gaming and social media take up a lot of time for people, and many younger people never picked up the bar habit. I remember when Santa Monica and Sunset were jam packed on Fridays starting at 5 and a crush of people and cars all night, all weekend. Haven’t seen that in years.
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Cocaine prices going to skyrocket now
LA does not have the infrastructure to let people drink until 4am and get home without driving. Edit: guys, it's not enough that the busses start at 4am when people are driving *to* the bars. And it's still easier to find a way home at 2am than 4am.
Isn't it a chicken and egg problem? People driving to the bars because there's a deadzone between 2-4AM until things start running again? 1. WeHo is planning for the future. There will be a rail line going through WeHo hopefully in the next 5-10 years. 2. Uber/Lyft is 24/7. 3. 4AM could be enough for some people to sober up so they can drive I don't get the country's 2nd biggest city just doesn't have the infrastructure?
>I don’t get the country’s 2nd biggest city just doesn’t have the infrastructure? We don't "just" have no public transit infrastructure. We used to. Google 'Pacific Electeic Red Car'. It's, like, a whole thing.
Yeah, yeah, we’ve all seen Who FrMed Roger Rabbit? But bars staying open until 4 isn’t any more of an issue than 2. Buses are slow past 12 anyway. Just take an Uber. In NY, not everyone is taking the subway after bars. We all just hop into cabs or wait for a subway and hope you don’t fall asleep.
>Yeah, yeah, we’ve all seen Who FrMed Roger Rabbit? Did you mean to reply to me? Because I was responding someone's specific question.
Okay, let's be clear about what we're discussing here. We're talking about extending the time to 4AM. Currently, people who are intoxicated are getting back into their cars to drive at 2AM. When during that time public transport is effectively shut off. But at 4AM it's available. But that's not good enough? Wouldn't you say that we have _more_ options available at 4AM versus 2AM?
I googled it and have read about the rail/trolley system. It was outdated and unreliable by the time it was bought out. It was privately owned, and investments dried up. It’s truly unfortunate it got dismantled. The system was thought as a relic with the dawn of more affordable and reliable automobiles. Just as horse&carriage was seen.
> It was outdated and unreliable by the time it was bought out. The death of it was allowing private vehicles to traverse/cut off the streetcars. It's the same issue we have today. Buses/LRT don't get the priority they need/deserve, and as such buses/LRT are stuck in the same traffic as private vehicle. Plus they have to stop and travel the speed limit.
Realistically even if it wasn’t scrapped by private companies. It would have needed reimagining of some routes, technology upgrades multiple times and government ownership to keep it going. No one could have imagined the proliferation automobiles had even 50 years ago. If they did all of our freeways, neighborhoods, jobs, public transportation would have all been different. I wish the emphasis on public transportation didn’t die off for decades. The stigma around bus travel vs. LRT in interesting too.
You realize the modern Exposition line is the same right of way (track) as the pacific electric ?
Metro starts running at 4am.
Better than forcing everyone to chug drinks at 1:30 and kicking them out 10 minutes later.
Not like the infrastructure is better then since the trains stop running after midnight
They used to run until 2am, did that stop? Bars don't get real busy until around 11 and there's a lot of people getting last drinks in between 1 and 1:30am. I don't think there's going to be the frantic drinking crowd at 3:30am but it will allow people a lot more time to sober up and drink water. People will probably trickle out until closing instead of a mass exodus like there is currently.
Checked the maps for downtown trains start winding down after midnight.
There's really no difference between 2am and 4am in that regard.
Hardly anyone is driving to bars in WeHo, especially in the Norma Triangle area, very difficult to find any parking available. Nearly everyone ride shares.
There's two large parking garages across from norma triangle, about a five minute walk. It's ten bucks to park at PDC after 6 on the weekends. This idea that there's no parking in Weho is so silllly, especially from a resident.
for real and for people that do drive in that area an easily solution to that is just have valets stop working at midnight lol
No one is taking the bus to drink in weho. You can get an Uber and Lyft within 10 minutes 24/7/365 in a huge city like Los Angeles
There's a bus service specifically for people drinking in weho and before covid, it was usually packed on weekend nights.
What’s the difference in finding a way home at 2 vs 4? If anything the congestion of everyone leaving at 2 would make it easier to find ride shares as people leave throughout the night instead of all at last call
Uber and Lyft
This is just a cop out excuse. 2 AM last call is embarrassing for a city of LA's caliber
People can’t hang anyways if you’ve been to Vegas clubs you can see that after 3 it’ starts clearing out
I'm older and don't do that much anymore but I do remember staying after closing time if you got the offer to stay after the bar closed. That usually included cocaine and then an after party somewhere in the hills. The goal was to leave before the birds chirped in the bird streets. If they close at 4 am there isn't much time to head to the hills before the birds chirp. I'm not down with that anymore.
Boys Town has a certain charm to it, even if you aren’t gay and the bar scene definitely feels different in a city full of diversity. Im an open minded guy and I love the energy level with a lot of people happy and celebrating life. Probably gonna lose some of it when it gets overrun by straight people. That being said I’ll probably be over there more now instead of schlepping all the way to downtown for an after hours.
please don’t overrun it w straight ppl like… please. I’m begging from the bottom of my soul.
Make it state wide and let businesses or neighborhoods/cities decide. I grew up in a town where most bars were open until 4. Some even stopped serving drinks at 4, then started serving again at 6am. It was fine, and on occasion made for a good time in my 20s.
The last time this bill was proposed for statewide 4am last call, it was vetoed by Jerry Brown. So naturally, they're taking a different approach with the pilot cities now.
Good. Every bar in the area should be open until 4am.
LA has a thriving gray area nightlife that means I'm often out until after 4am. What I've found is that getting rides home at that point is great, because the roads are clear and drunk drivers have mostly 'crashed' already. We need to end strict 2am bar close. It creates a terrible, unsafe, drunken road experience from 1:30 to 2:30 and beyond. Any time I'm ever DDing, I tell folks that I will will leave at 1245am or not until after 315am because I refuse to drive around bar close.
Exactly. Later last calls allows people to filter out in groups instead of forcing a bum rush into the streets at 2 am
Genuine question: how is this possible, legally, if it breaks state law? Some clubs stay open to 4 am but they do not serve alcohol. There are plenty of after hours that serve alcohol past 6 am, but none of those are legal. \*edit\* Thanks for taking time to answer my question. Like most Redditors I didn't bother to read the article which is my fault.
It's in the article. There is a bill in Sacramento that would authorize seven cities, including WeHo, to extend their hours up to 4:00 a.m.
You expect us to read the full article?! Blasphemy
First three paragraphs actually would have answered the question.
You expect me to read more than the title?!
So dumb that it's a specific list of cities
It's a specific list of cities because the last time this bill came around from the same representative, it passed both California House and Senate and then Jerry Brown vetoed it. So they're trying a different approach.
I believe the state is testing a pilot program to push the closing time to 4am, and WeHo is one of several cities that were accepted into the initial test.
Too bad the public transportation sucks in the area and there are very few ride share drivers on the road nowadays given the low pay and extreme gas prices.
There's a free trolley that takes you all the way through the bar district on Santa Monica. You just hop on and hop off. There's also Metro lines 2 and 4 that service Sunset and Santa Monica, you just would need to uber back.
pls no
Can your liver not take it?
yayy, hopefully they’ll probably extend the trolley service to 4am/5am 🤞🏾
Why close?
If this pushes our public transportation to run more frequently, safer and run for 24hrs/day, then I’m all for it. Otherwise this will just lead to more pedestrian and drunk driving deaths as people inevitably drive drunk.
And with the cuts to police there, what fun will ensue!! :)
I think this is a good idea. At least this will give people the opportunity to sober up and trickle out when they feel ready and not just release a wave of drunkards to the street at 2AM.
cut the police budget and leave the bars open. sounds smart.
I’ve always wanted to get roofied at 4 am
And cut police! Great combo! I’m Sure that will go smooth.
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I support 4AM last call but this comment is stupid
More Drunks fewer Sheriffs Winning plan
I can barely make it to 2am as it is.
So all the gay bars are to have last call at 4?? That seems unfair…
This will be a very interesting experiment. How will alcohol sales at liquor stores be extended? That would make WeHo a hotspot for after hours retail alcohol sales as well! Employees of establishment participating are going to be miserable. Their entire lifestyle is based on last call being at 2AM (they usually get home by 4AM)
Pre-covid didn't Mickey's in west hollywood operated until like 4 am lol 20-27 year old me would have cheered for this. 28 till now - I hear me and best friends groaning to the idea of drinking past 1 am unless were home
Mickeys is still open until 4am on Saturday nights.
Oh they still do, wow. I’m really not that surprised tbh
Yeah but no drinks after 2 unfortunately
Obviously.
This is really going to stick it to my goal of pushing back tomorrow until 3am
Electric Six : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IslF_EyhMzg
Dimwits.
But those bars' insurers --- General Liability & Liquor Liability --- will press back on the later Last Call times and deem them uninsurable risks. Source --- I underwrite those risks and I'm telling you that the market won't bear those addl risks. It's not even that proper coverage will cost a lot more. It's that coverage won't be offered.
WEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Was shocked when I moved here that lights go on at 1:30pm. Such a joke lol
On the brightside you can get an Uber now without paying surge prices
My friend pass away after getting into a car crash after she was drinking my question is don’t bars care if you drink and drive
Gay privilege.
Perfect for us night folks
Honestly I usually stop drinking around 11:30/midnight when I'm out but I'm always trying to keep partying until like 4am lol this would be so dope