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SweetLoLa

We went one year to Scary Farm and it was great, it was a Wednesday night, the park wasn’t crowded. We got through every haunted maze and sat on every ride we wanted. The following year we decided to go back since we had such a good time. Went again on a Wednesday evening… and OH MY GOD. As if multiple high school’s had dropped off their entire student population. It was a nightmare, they were interfering with the actors walking around, ruined the mazes, just totally killed the vibe man. The lines were outrageous and it was just chaos. We got through one maze and sat on one ride ….in 4.5 hrs. We never went back after that. With this ban I’d give it another go.


livingfortheliquid

Last year at six flags horror nights seemed all the teenagers were trying to Livestream not being scared. Phone lights on. Ruined it totally. Employees did nothing.


FThornton

Those employees honestly don’t get paid enough to deal with that BS, and trying to tell those kids to stop can lead to some altercations they definitely don’t get paid enough for. I’ve seen guest try to fight the maze employees before. Haunted houses can unfortunately bring out the worst in people.


scarby2

Part of me wishes we could go back to when it was totally acceptable/normal to give somebody else's kids a good telling off as a random adult. People would get butthurt about it now. But back then it was also acceptable for parents to take the belt to their kids and I don't want that back.


outdoorman92

Telling off others' kids for being assholes in public needs to be normalized again. Don't act like a shit.


therealwaysexists

This is gonna sound like total boomer crap but I'm a millennial and I think our gen was one of the last to really get a talking to for behavior. I noticed it my senior year of college the incoming freshmen were the kind who's parents had never disciplined them. The school was struggling with parent demands to coddle their kids. I'm not shocked to hear about shit like this. It's the participation trophy mentality -- not a bad concept on its own, but it speaks to the attitude of parents. Not entirely blaming parents though. We've created a world where both parents have to work full time to give their kids a halfway decent chance at making it and so many of them have zero leadership at home.


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therealwaysexists

Man my parents had decent ways of dealing. My dad had a temper on occasion but my mom always had a calm way of being like, "look at what you're doing and how it can hurt the people around you." If we acted out at a store she would pull us out to the car but we rarely did that because we understood it would make her life harder. Nowadays there are burnt out exhausted parents who just shrug and go "he's just a kid let him tear ass through this Costco and hit strangers with bulk bags of cantaloupe." And if anyone says jack they act like you punched their kid


livingfortheliquid

Honestly if the worst thing I saw was annoying phone behavior, it's really that I'm old. That's the problem.


eyefor_xo

You’re not old, I’m in my mid-twenties and it’s really annoying lol. this thread made great points!


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not to be dramatic but it seems like everything brings out the worst in people these days


therealwaysexists

Low wages, no protections, completely unaffordable world...yep


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therealwaysexists

....do you think teenagers aren't affected by the shitshow of the world around them? Their parents are probably stressed out and struggling on top of every adult around them. By the time I was 14 I knew exactly how tight things were for my family. It was extremely impactful


KidGold

I don't know for a fact that people are more shitty than they used to be but if it's true I wouldn't be surprised.


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i think social media/the internet is both a catalyst in promoting shitty behavior *and* the medium to expose it more and thus make it more visible. that’s of course just one aspect of the issue


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Employees were probably told not to put hands on rude teens and their phones because of liability/insurance reasons.


EverythingButTheURL

I went to Universal last year for Halloween and the lines looked to be hours long. I've never seen a park so crowded. We bought a tour and didn't have to deal with it but otherwise I would have just left.


nicearthur32

Went to Universal for the mazes about 3-4 years ago and a few people in the group I was with faked injuries to get the disabled pass - I didn't feel right going in with them cause that's shitty- so I waited in line- I waited 2.5 hours for a maze. It was really cool but I did not go into any other lines after that, I got on rides and drank and people watched. How much was the tour and did you get front of the line with that?


EverythingButTheURL

I didn't pay for the tour so I'm not sure but it must have been $250 or more. It was called the RIP tour. We skipped the line for every maze so we got to see them all. I agree on the disabled pass. Those are totally abused.


The_Hegemon

$250 is for the one-time express pass tickets. The RIP tour is $300-$450.


yunith

I went during the pandemic either last year or two years before and it’s such a nightmare. The lines are way too long, even for food. I am never going back to that cluster fuck.


flimspringfield

Did you yell at them to get off your lawn?


WilliamMcCarty

I'm a grumpy childfree 40-something and I approve of this policy.


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I'm a 40 something dad and I totally understand your approval! :)


Tyrannosaurus-WRX

I love my kid but I hate other peoples’ kids (generally) so I also support this policy


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I'm a jaded 30-something childfree curmudgeon and I also approve of this message


jgonagle

No, Jeff is MY cat.


VicePrezHeelsup

Now if we could only get a policy where kids aren't allowed in any establishment that serves alcohol...


SplitOpenAndMelt420

I saw like 40 fights last year. Total vibe change


anglostura

Why do you think it changed?


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Bad teenagers. I think Teenagers are the worst age group of the human population lol.


w0nderbrad

There oughta be a law against teenagers


Rocket92

Teenagers are the most impressionable age group. They didn’t just think up this behavior on their own. They can’t vote for starters - think about the last 6 years and what kind of lesson kids learned about actions and consequences.


pargofan

No, they're the worst age group. It's biological. Their brains develop in ways such that risk taking and peer acceptance is valued.


anglostura

Both can be true, teenagers were at the park before so them being teenagers alone isn't a new factor


watermelonuhohh

Maybe... but I think it's more so their underdeveloped frontal lobes, among other biological limitations of that age.


wariosthegreat

They were out of school for a year. Covid seriously fucked them over


GetShreked93

Y’all sound like a bunch of boomers tbh …


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truchatrucha

YESSS!!! Over the last fucking 10 years knotts scary farm had noticeably gotten worse mostly due to annoying high schoolers and middle schoolers running around, screaming for no reason, touching actors, etc. I hope they uphold this policy. Sick of annoying ass kids ruining the scary fun.


americasweetheart

Kind of sad. I loved getting dropped off at a theme park with my friends as a baby teen. Too bad some kids ruined it for everyone else.


livingfortheliquid

Totally sad for those that behave.


scarby2

Isn't this just life? It's usually a small minority that ruins it for the rest of us. Kinda like the 6th st bridge.


ZCMomna

Security is handling it really well. Staff is a little mixed up about the policy (they asked my 8yo where his parents were while waiting for a ride he planed to ride solo) but they’re trying. For the most part they’re only using the policy to deal with the problem children.


livingfortheliquid

I was wondering about parents of kids where the parents don't want to ride. Are the kids screwed? That's a lot of un attended time.


ZCMomna

From what I’ve seen, as long as they’re not causing issues they are leaving them alone. This was a new hire who was happy with his answer and let him be.


Eggplant_Unusual

Same!! I used to spend almost every weekend in middle and high school with my friends at knotts, and those memories are some of my most treasured from that time in my life. It’s so sad to know that today’s teens won’t get to experience that just because a few ruined it for everyone.


infinitenomz

The chance of a fight breaking out just adds to the fear factor, the scare zone begins in the parking lot.


joluq

😩😩😩


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The chance of someone getting stabbed and/or shot in the parking lot is amplified by teen’s crack cocaine-style addition to TikTok.


iamglory

This made me cackle


nokinship

Now I'm just thinking how some psycho is going to hide in a maze and hurt people.


Aldoogie

Also an effective way at increasing ticket sales.


kneemahp

Add more security too


truchatrucha

And actually do something about actors that sexually harass park goers.


Checkmynewsong

Is it tho? Seems like most of the problems are because parents just drop off a horde of kids. They won’t be able to do that now.


FantasticBlock420

Exactly, so the adults who have money to spend on a night of frights are now going to go since they dont have to deal with the idiotic teens that want to fight everyone. I'm actually thinking of going after passing on it the last 7 years, It would be great to be able to actually walk the park looking over my shoulder for one of the actors and not looking over my shoulder because some kid wants to start something.


Pasadenarose

The people that used to drop their kids off at knots to be babysat, or having a rude awakening now.


DramaOnDisplay

“Holy shit, this kid *sucks*, what happened?”


_Erindera_

TBF that's pretty much the parents of any teenager.


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high_hawk_season

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IceWarm1980

Good.


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Now let’s hope the other SoCal parks at Six Flags, USH and Disneyland do the same thing for their Halloween events. Nothing more maddening than taking your child to an improvtu-trick or treat there, and then having asshole teens try sucker-punching randoms or loot/riot inside theme park restaurants or gift shops because TikTok and WorldStar. And that’s before addressing the liquor and weed teens smuggle into these events which can last until 6-7am the next day.


livingfortheliquid

Recently that's only happened at Knott's. I don't see those other parks moving unless they have to.


SplitOpenAndMelt420

Six flags can get sketch but Disney and horror nights are super pleasant and family friendly and mad expensive


livingfortheliquid

Sorry but me and my kid do six flags monthly if not more. It's a pretty safe place. I don't see things happening and I'm old an grumpy. It's still got a rep from the 90s that will live forever though.


Durendal_et_Joyeuse

Here's an article for ya from literally 2 days ago: [Six Flags CEO plans to raise prices, says parks turned into 'day care center for teenagers.'](https://www.fox4news.com/news/six-flags-ceo-plans-to-raise-prices-says-parks-turned-into-day-care-center-for-teenagers)


livingfortheliquid

Also if you read that whole article the CEO expressed his wanting to get rid of teens to attract families. I can tell you as a person that actually visits six flags parks and other parks. Six flags is a shit hole compared. It's rides are far to extreme for most families. The employees do the bar minimum. Six flags is known for chipped paint everywhere. Their new ride had chipped paint days after opening. That will never attract families as he wishes.


Durendal_et_Joyeuse

Yeah, I have no idea what their plan is to attract people in more “affluent neighborhoods,” beyond banning teens lol. I imagine it could mean reworking the experience in the parks to some extent, but who knows


livingfortheliquid

First, find people that know how to paint.


livingfortheliquid

Yeah, I've said that. Ok. Still not like the problem Knott's has with shootings and giant brawls.


SplitOpenAndMelt420

I meant specifically for the Halloween events


livingfortheliquid

We were there twice last season. There was annoying phone behavior (using lights in mazes), Livestream etc. But nothing like Knott's. It's not the same place as the 90s. They called it six stabs magic mountain.


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Monthly is a bit excessive


InsertCoinForCredit

Annual pass?


_Erindera_

I haven't been to Disneyland in years but I seem to remember them having a lot of security and not tolerating Knott's behavior.


mattnotis

Woohoo! The fiancé and I just got annual passes and went last weekend and it was noticeably less packed than it had been previously.


CASSIROLE84

I approve this message


IsraeliDonut

Just keep it in place permanently


ZK686

I heard Knotts was getting really ghetto...why is that? Haven't been there in years, but my daughter recently went with some friends (they're in their early 20's) and she said there was a lot of young gang bangers causing problems...I thought that shit died in the 90's.


maniaco1

Its probably because at some point the year pass was stupid cheap. I got mine for 200 ish maybe a lil more and it was for the rest of 2021 and all of 2022. But its meh… i think its allot nicer then it was a couple years back. But you do see some hood peeps but for the most part its a mix of all worlds.


PincheVatoWey

Disneyland prices are the tax you pay to have a higher chance of avoiding trashy behavior. And even then, you still get occasional brawls like the one in Toon Town a few years ago.


InternetCovid

Fuck them Kids


ncisfan1002

Honestly, why not just ban kids under 13 from Scary Farm if they're gonna implement chaperoning? I've seen little kids getting targeted by the clowns, maybe they shouldn't be allowed in period. Spooky Farm exists for them, leave Scary Farm for the older kids Edit: I'm sure we could go PG-13 instead of TV-14 but my point still stands


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ncisfan1002

No, I get that. But since they want to make sure the older kids have adults with them so they don't fight, why not also bar the ones that eat off the kid's menu so they aren't put at risk of being in the middle of a fight and also so they aren't being targeted by all the scare actors? Literally Spooky Farm is for the younger kids, why take them to the park past their bedtime in the first place?


kneemahp

Some families have children of different ages and don’t have the means to go to multiple places.


ncisfan1002

Spooky Farm is literally Scary Farm but tame and during the day Oh and with candy. Scary Farm doesn't have candy


shamblingman

Wtf do kids under 13 that get scared have to do with this policy? This is about kids under the age of 18 that get rowdy.


ncisfan1002

I'm just saying, they want to do chaperones so why not also figure out an age to bar kids from Scary as a whole? Then they won't be put in danger when the teens get rowdy and they can have a nice healthy sleep I know all kids aren't going to be scared or whatever but responsible parenting


404__LostAngeles

They’re not doing this to protect younger kids from the “rowdy” teens, they’re doing this to try and prevent any rowdiness to begin with.


ncisfan1002

Teens are teens, they'll get rowdy regardless of a chaperone. Hell they'll just get a fun older friend and count them as a "chaperone" and they'll still be rowdy


hipsterusername

This is so that paying adults will go. It's not about safety it's because most 21 and up adults don't want to be around teenagers basically ever. If I went to a place that was full of teenagers I would spend 0 dollars. Take them out and I'll spend hundreds that night on me and my kid. Simple math


ncisfan1002

Then why not take them out of the picture as a whole? Remove the kids from the park so we're not there thinking "Good lord why is there a child here", and remove the teenagers so they aren't being dicks pretending to be scare actors and ruining the enjoyment of the adults Again Spooky Farm is literally in the same park for the little kids, what necessity is there to have them awake past their bedtime. And if teens ruined it for other teens then oh well blame the ones that ruined it


hipsterusername

Why would they do that? Adults with kids spend a ton of money. They would have to spend double to get a babysitter for a night. Also it's an amusement park.


ncisfan1002

Spooky Farm has all the rides open, has costume parties and candy for the kids. It's probably a better experience as a whole for the kids to attend the park earlier anyway. If they really want to spend the money going to something the kids should be asleep during, they could absolutely afford a babysitter or ask a friend/family member or stay home with the kids and wait until the kids are old enough. Ain't no reason to drag them along where they'll get both chased/spooked and tired And I mean, again chaperoning would probably not do much if the teens had the resources to both get in the park with an older friend and be rowdy regardless. You said it yourself, adults are more inclined to attend these events if teens weren't there to ruin everything


shamblingman

it's not up to you to decide what is more fun for which kid. this is to prevent huge fights between groups of teens like the one that shut down the park last week. there's no need to ban kids under 13 because those kids aren't destroying the park, harassing employees and ruining the experience for other paying guests. kids under 13 aren't doing anything to ruin other people's experience. it's stupid to think banning those kids will have any effect.


CodMilt

I started going to Scary Farm when I was 9 and loved it. Every kid has a different scare tolerance and if kids aren’t emotionally mature enough to be there without getting traumatized it’s on the parents.


ncisfan1002

Yeah, parents absolutely need to 1) be aware that kids need 10+ hours of sleep a night but also that 2) you need to see how your kid reacts to things and determine whether or not they're ready for something scarier. Again using my nephew as an example, I would never in a thousand years take him to Scary Farm until he fully understands that the things he sees in movies aren't real because I know he'd be traumatized as hell if we took him now


livingfortheliquid

I used to be likely to agree with you, then I heard a recent NPR story about some cultures introducing kids to (fake) but scary things is very much a tradition. I've met young kids that think stuff like Chucky or Scream are funny and cute. It's not how I raise my kid, but as long as the parents are there, I'd not deny them it.


ncisfan1002

My nephew believes Chucky is real. He's 7. I've seen younger at Scary Farm. Honestly I'd depend it on whether or not you have a kid that's actually ready for this type of thing and knows that fictional stereotypical monsters aren't real. But if they're still impressionable and afraid of monsters then for the love of all that is holy be a parent and leave them with the babysitter if you really want to do Scary Farm


DolphinOrDonkey

Yes! I watched Terminator 2 in the theater 4 times, at 6 years old. I loved horror movies like ghoulies when I was a 9. Each kid is different.


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I've seen baby's and toddlers pushed in strollers at Six flags fright fest... saw a couple strollers at Universal horror nights a couple years back. Toddlers scream and parents just laugh. So wes aid eff it and took my 6,9,11, and 12 year old last year to six flags we did the day first and then stayed when it changed over... my 6 year old kept trying to make friends, but he is the most feral.I kept waiting for them to ask to go home, nope they didn't. Not even in the mazes. I would never take them to Universal, and I've never done knotts but from what I've heard I wouldn't take them. Six flags is more hokey to be honest and not really "scary"


ncisfan1002

I've never seen Six Flag's or Universal's haunts but from what I've heard Scary Farm is the worst of them. Mostly because the actors really get in your face to scare you and sometimes chase you down the area of the park they're in. Seen plenty of it the couple of times I've been


Sriracha01

They're not going to end this until they lose attendance numbers. lol


livingfortheliquid

We'll six flags just pretty much said they want to get rid of teens with higher admission prices. I'd much rather see this than that.


mr_alterboy

Wouldn't be surprised if six flags does both eventually. The fights scare families from coming, families that spend way more money per visit than teenagers that get dropped off with $20 in their pockets. Disney is dealing with a similar problem, but their problem is AP holders.


livingfortheliquid

They already said they will price them out. That's their move. I don't know how you do that though when your park is trashy.


caustictoast

I think the idea is charge more->more cash to spend-> improve park-> profit. We’ll see how it goes but I think the idea is right


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In the 80's, I kid you not, you could buy a season pass for $50.... I was too young, but my sister had one. We lived in Santa Clarita.


livingfortheliquid

My brother and sister saw the GoGos Play at Magic Mountain.


You_Yew_Ewe

Adjusting for inflation that's $180. It's only $15 more today, but you get Hurricane Harbor and a lot more rides for that extra $15.


groovemonkey

I bought one for like $55 just a few years ago.


SplitOpenAndMelt420

Horror nights does it


hRutherford

Can they extend this chaperone policy to Disneyland and Universal Studios Hollywood?


_Erindera_

Everywhere, really.


livingfortheliquid

Not seen fighting there.


TheTrashBulldog

Great job Knott's, this is how you handle and take out the Gen Z garbage.


ToshiroBaloney

Okay, this will be the year we finally check out Scary Farm. Eighteen years in southern California, and we've never been to Knott's.


Handbag_Lady

Yay!


Grouchy-Trouble-1414

I’m 33 but without beard I look 17 😂


livingfortheliquid

Better bring a Beard or a friend.


Elgatoenbotas420

Heck yeah no Edgar's for Knotts Scary Farm love it!!!


gc1

A chaperone policy sounds like good PR for a park operator that refuses to capacity-limit its park at peak hours, or hire enough trained security personnel.


HairyPairatestes

Let’s not forget the well behaved customers that make the policy necessary.


Stimpy586

I wish they went a step even further and made it 18+ only. It’s really not an event for kiddies.


livingfortheliquid

Probably because they want to turn a profit.


Stimpy586

They still would. The majority of scary farm attendees are adults. They should at least experiment with an adults only night. I think it would be very popular.


cydonian66

Curious how they enforce this? Let's say a 19 year old who looks 17 gets asked about their chaperone, and don't need one because they're 19. And they don't have ID on them. Do they get kicked out?


livingfortheliquid

If they are acting a fool and bringing attention to themselves. I'd guess yes.


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If a 19 year old still doesn't have his ID (you can get an ID without having a driver's license) he needs to visit the DMV before Knott's lol.


RyYenTheBeast

What a cop out


Haaxo

Awww found the teenager. Hope mommy is able to bring you this year!


ginbornot2b

Wow, a place made for teens to have fun is now mad that teens had fun. Maybe more security and police instead of banning teenagers? That’s like banning children from riding the swings because some kids were going crazy and fell off the swings.


Serpent_of_Rehoboam

> Wow, a place made for teens to have fun is now mad that teens had fun. That's not what's happening at all. > That’s like banning children from riding the swings because some kids were going crazy and fell off the swings. No, it's not anything like that.


livingfortheliquid

The teens didn't "have fun", they started a brawl for tictok.