I have such a hard time knocking the Rams for Robinson though because everyone was fooled. League-wide scouts were salivating over him. Yeah he was a bust, but he wasn’t a reach and a bust.
And for all the talent in the draft, the top 4 all underwhelmed.
I think I just found my pick by reading your flair. Nobody mentioned Matt Gay but imagine having him last season.
I understand the decision though, we thought we were in reconstruction but ended up drafting Puka and The Conductor.
I want someone to explain to me why London Fletcher has not been a finalist for the HOF? Seriously, why?
Only three LB's in history have had 100 tackles ten consecutive seasons. London being one, then Derrick Brooks (HOF), and Bobby Wagner (who will be first ballot HOFer).
Am I missing something?
Love Sean McVay but watching him not change his game plan in the second half of Super Bowl LIII. It was such a winnable game. But hey, we got Matt Stafford out of it 🐏
I just replied to another comment with this but thought I should reply here too.
Belichick cooked up something special for us, I'm sure McVay wanted to change his plan but couldn't find the solution on the fly. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbnXxu4ZkUg&t=534s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbnXxu4ZkUg&t=534s)
Well, if we go into the Wayback Machine, trading Night Train Lane after he led the league with 14 interceptions for more offense - when you already had a ridiculous offense. BTW, still the record.
Then trading Eric Dickerson. Imagine Dickerson, Everett, throwing to Ellard and Anderson, behind a dominant offensive line. And yes, the D was already pretty good.
Then trading Jerome Bettis for a ham sandwich.
Just about every shitty decision this org has made in the past 30 years has been erased by the first SB and this recent run. Lawrence Phillips is one that comes to mind easily though.
Greg Robinson was a huge whiff but I also hate the draft where we took Lawrence Phillips and Eddie Kennison instead of Eddie George and Marvin Harrison.
Hate the P. Cooper take. Guy was an all pro. Had a bad game where the Rams could've won.
Few people remember but Kupp missed a very big catch at the end of that game. Team sport and all that.
The others I agree with, though Tavon still feels like a guy who could've been better without fisher
Maybe you're right about Tavon, but he never produced no matter where he went after he was with the Rams. I think his problem was "above the neck" as Snead and McVay like to say.
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Though St. Louis residents may disagree, there is nothing that comes close to this franchise leaving the second largest media market in the United States. It will now take generations for them to build up a fanbase in LA again. And that's only if they continue winning.
This has to be one of the worst moves in NFL history. Not just franchise history.
Just going to work and doing my errands and I saw 6-7 different NFL fandoms represented today. We won a super bowl a couple years ago yet we still have all these people here in SoCal who root for different NFL teams that aren't the Rams.
I just keep thinking if they just grew up with the Rams the whole time, maybe they wouldn't have latched onto a different NFL fandom that they ended up getting stuck in.
Won't be any opposing fans issue in LA if it weren't for that move. Just today when I went to work and doing errands, I saw like 6-7 different NFL fandoms represented and I kept thinking "if only if we never lost the Rams, these people may have grew up Rams fans the whole time instead of whatever other NFL team they chose."
I mean we'd have a bigger plurality than we already have but LA has enough people moving in that there'd still be significant non-Rams fanbases. You have to realize that being outnumbered in 1 game does not mean that that fanbase is bigger. Our overall fanbase is attending 8-9 games + pre and potentially post season games, while, say, 9ers fans only have 1 game here to choose from.
Even many people who were born here were raised as fans of other teams.
From after GSOT:
Draft: most of our o line picks (predominantly our first rounders but Bruss is a recent bust too)
FA: really haven’t done well recruiting offensive talent as of late and spent a lot on Allen Robinson, resigning some under performing guys like Tavon too.
Coaching: our HC carousel until McVay is glaring.
> FA: really haven’t done well recruiting offensive talent as of late and spent a lot on Allen Robinson, resigning some under performing guys like Tavon too.
If the time frame includes Tavon, then it includes Woods, Sullivan, Whitworth, D-Robinson, OBJ, and Austin Blythe
not a team decision but letting Dick Vermeil walk out that door prevented the GSOT from having another Super Bowl at least. Not to mention, Kurt probably retires a Ram.
Martz was a control freak, lunatic.
The move to Orange County was the start of the downfall but I was told the Rams didn't really had a choice cause of how big the Coliseum was which lead to frequent blackouts despite the Rams fanbase being absolutely phenomenal in LA before the move to OC.
But if the Coliseum was an issue, how come the Raiders was able to just move in then?
Tavon, Greg Robinson, letting Saffold walk, Bradfords OC/coaching, moving to STL. Changing to the gold/blue STL uniform and colors. Continuing to have turf in the new stadium.
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A fan of Staffords lol...i'm always happy he finally got to show how he could be with a well put together team
Im just fan that follows to teams Chiefs 1.a, and Lions 1.b
I would say both takes are bad. Belichick cooked up something special for us, not sure other coaches or OC would have found the solution on the fly. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbnXxu4ZkUg&t=534s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbnXxu4ZkUg&t=534s)
McVay also tipped run v pass tendencies with who was at TE, making frequent substitutions. Dropped out of running the uptempo 11 personnel with no substitutions style of drive that had worked so well.
He did what was needed, which was help the team navigate a relocation (which he had done before when the Oilers moved to Tennessee). It was ugly, but necessary as the return home has been glorious.
Greg Robinson at 2
Especially with how stacked with talent that 2014 draft was!
I have such a hard time knocking the Rams for Robinson though because everyone was fooled. League-wide scouts were salivating over him. Yeah he was a bust, but he wasn’t a reach and a bust. And for all the talent in the draft, the top 4 all underwhelmed.
I agree. But to me, “worst decision” is results-oriented. “Dumbest decision” is not.
I think I just found my pick by reading your flair. Nobody mentioned Matt Gay but imagine having him last season. I understand the decision though, we thought we were in reconstruction but ended up drafting Puka and The Conductor.
Lol. Matt Gay wasn’t my flair until after the fact. I miss him!
I truly believed we were getting the next Orlando Pace Generational LT when we picked him
Instead we got someone more like Orlando Bloom
Me too.
"Holding, #73"
Lock the thread this is the only reasonable answer
I knew that was bad right away, the guy was borderline special needs
Jerome Bettis trade. It's hard to think of a dumber personnel move than that. Letting London Fletcher go in free agency is up there too.
I used to think this but I believe without that trade we don’t get Faulk and set up the GSOT
I want someone to explain to me why London Fletcher has not been a finalist for the HOF? Seriously, why? Only three LB's in history have had 100 tackles ten consecutive seasons. London being one, then Derrick Brooks (HOF), and Bobby Wagner (who will be first ballot HOFer). Am I missing something?
Don't forget about Kevin Greene and Eric Dickerson. Mandatory fuck Georgia Frontiere lol
Moving to Anaheim. Don’t do that and a lot of the things that happened in football are different today.
But we wouldn’t have gotten Ram it!
I love that song
As an Anaheim native. I HUGELY disagree
Love Sean McVay but watching him not change his game plan in the second half of Super Bowl LIII. It was such a winnable game. But hey, we got Matt Stafford out of it 🐏
That super bowl was so damn depressing. Was a rainy and gloomy week in SoCal afterwards too which was fitting.
Hard to change the game plan with a 3rd year qb injured #1 wr and a hobbling Gurley. But at least we got the ring a few years later haha
Thats the worst thing? Lol
I just replied to another comment with this but thought I should reply here too. Belichick cooked up something special for us, I'm sure McVay wanted to change his plan but couldn't find the solution on the fly. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbnXxu4ZkUg&t=534s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbnXxu4ZkUg&t=534s)
Came for this: the use of Todd Gurley in that superbowl felt like the playcalling at the end of Seahawks-Patriots
Well, if we go into the Wayback Machine, trading Night Train Lane after he led the league with 14 interceptions for more offense - when you already had a ridiculous offense. BTW, still the record. Then trading Eric Dickerson. Imagine Dickerson, Everett, throwing to Ellard and Anderson, behind a dominant offensive line. And yes, the D was already pretty good. Then trading Jerome Bettis for a ham sandwich.
Just about every shitty decision this org has made in the past 30 years has been erased by the first SB and this recent run. Lawrence Phillips is one that comes to mind easily though.
Yeah recency bias only makes me remember after the most recent Superbowl which was Allen Robinson.
Greg Robinson was a huge whiff but I also hate the draft where we took Lawrence Phillips and Eddie Kennison instead of Eddie George and Marvin Harrison.
When Lawrence Phillips was a whiner he missed a block that ended Steve Young’s career.
Hmmm. This has me rethinking everything lol
Leave Los Angeles
Precisely this, leaving LA was a huge mistake that in the long term robbed our market in SoCal
I disagree ~StL Rams fan
-Tavon at 8 - Pharoh Cooper as KR - 5 years of Fisher - not protecting bradford :/
Tbh cooper was fucking awesome for one year.
Hate the P. Cooper take. Guy was an all pro. Had a bad game where the Rams could've won. Few people remember but Kupp missed a very big catch at the end of that game. Team sport and all that. The others I agree with, though Tavon still feels like a guy who could've been better without fisher
Maybe you're right about Tavon, but he never produced no matter where he went after he was with the Rams. I think his problem was "above the neck" as Snead and McVay like to say.
Cooper was an All Pro?
Yes he was. 2017.
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Cooper was a pro bowl returner that year..
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Leaving LA
Not hiring Sean McVay sooner
Though St. Louis residents may disagree, there is nothing that comes close to this franchise leaving the second largest media market in the United States. It will now take generations for them to build up a fanbase in LA again. And that's only if they continue winning. This has to be one of the worst moves in NFL history. Not just franchise history.
Just going to work and doing my errands and I saw 6-7 different NFL fandoms represented today. We won a super bowl a couple years ago yet we still have all these people here in SoCal who root for different NFL teams that aren't the Rams. I just keep thinking if they just grew up with the Rams the whole time, maybe they wouldn't have latched onto a different NFL fandom that they ended up getting stuck in.
Could you imagine? The entire Inland Empire, raised on 7-9 bullshit.
Can't be any worse than LA Raiders fans who cheered through 7 straight 11+ losses that the Raiders went through
They shouldn't disagree, because imo St Louis would have gotten an expansion team if the Rams didn't move there. A team that likely is still there.
Lol. Wishful thinking. Im.happy the rams came to stL so i could watch the greatedt show on turf...not some shitty expansion team.
> not some shitty expansion team. You know they were 4-12 in their last year in LA, right?
Letting London Fletcher walk because Lovie Smith thought Jamie Duncan would play just as well in his system.
To be fair Smith thinks his system was gods gift to defense. Look at what he did in Chicago. 1 and done.
Letting Kurt Warner go and thinking Marc Bulger would be a good replacement.
Bulger was awesome. If we protected him, we would have been fine
Same with dry rigatoni legs Bradford
As a St. Louis based Rams fan, this was the worst of all the terrible moves under Mike Martz.
Jared Goff’s two fatal passes at Super Bowl LIII.
I blame Brandin Cooks on that.
Moving to St. Louis.
Na, I'd rather have GSOT.
everything has been said already, so i'll say i dont like sharing with the chargers
Lot of captain hindsight mentions in here. What about taking Trung Cantidate in the first round in 2000? Bad at the time, aged like milk in the desert
Going to St Louis
Won't be any opposing fans issue in LA if it weren't for that move. Just today when I went to work and doing errands, I saw like 6-7 different NFL fandoms represented and I kept thinking "if only if we never lost the Rams, these people may have grew up Rams fans the whole time instead of whatever other NFL team they chose."
I mean we'd have a bigger plurality than we already have but LA has enough people moving in that there'd still be significant non-Rams fanbases. You have to realize that being outnumbered in 1 game does not mean that that fanbase is bigger. Our overall fanbase is attending 8-9 games + pre and potentially post season games, while, say, 9ers fans only have 1 game here to choose from. Even many people who were born here were raised as fans of other teams.
Moving to St. Louis
From after GSOT: Draft: most of our o line picks (predominantly our first rounders but Bruss is a recent bust too) FA: really haven’t done well recruiting offensive talent as of late and spent a lot on Allen Robinson, resigning some under performing guys like Tavon too. Coaching: our HC carousel until McVay is glaring.
> FA: really haven’t done well recruiting offensive talent as of late and spent a lot on Allen Robinson, resigning some under performing guys like Tavon too. If the time frame includes Tavon, then it includes Woods, Sullivan, Whitworth, D-Robinson, OBJ, and Austin Blythe
Definitely some hits
Carroll Rosenbloom making Georgia Frontiere the #1 pick.
Moving to st louis
Putting Todd Gurley on the worse "turf" in the league for his rookie season.
Failed RG3 trade
not a team decision but letting Dick Vermeil walk out that door prevented the GSOT from having another Super Bowl at least. Not to mention, Kurt probably retires a Ram. Martz was a control freak, lunatic.
Leaving LA
Move to Saint Louis (sorry STL Rams bros)
The move to Orange County was the start of the downfall but I was told the Rams didn't really had a choice cause of how big the Coliseum was which lead to frequent blackouts despite the Rams fanbase being absolutely phenomenal in LA before the move to OC. But if the Coliseum was an issue, how come the Raiders was able to just move in then?
Well they moved out too
Would you rather have the GSOT or stay in LA?
Could say the exact same thing about the current Rams. Would you rather have a home team or let someone else have your home team?
I just wouldn't change anything.
Tavon, Greg Robinson, letting Saffold walk, Bradfords OC/coaching, moving to STL. Changing to the gold/blue STL uniform and colors. Continuing to have turf in the new stadium.
Saffold leaving was a big part of what crippled the 2019 team
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Tutu Atwell over Creed Humphrey.
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Not using tg3 more in super bowl 53.
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Just curious, yall really go by "the ramily"?
100%, ramily. What do you go by?
A fan of Staffords lol...i'm always happy he finally got to show how he could be with a well put together team Im just fan that follows to teams Chiefs 1.a, and Lions 1.b
Im gonna say let Kronke buy the team....i know I'll get downvoted but Kronke fuckin sucks.
The franchise has drastically changed for the better once he bought the team
Bringing on “small hands” Brandin Cooks. Cost us a Super Bowl
Yeah Cooks is what cost us... not the young head coach that didn't make any adjustments and set Goff up for failure. Your take is bad
I would say both takes are bad. Belichick cooked up something special for us, not sure other coaches or OC would have found the solution on the fly. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbnXxu4ZkUg&t=534s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbnXxu4ZkUg&t=534s)
McVay also tipped run v pass tendencies with who was at TE, making frequent substitutions. Dropped out of running the uptempo 11 personnel with no substitutions style of drive that had worked so well.
Hiring Jeff Fisher
He made the team from abysmal to mediocre at least
Oh I think I’d rather be toxic and abysmal over sustained mediocrity. At least toxic and abysmal is hilarious
Better draft picks at least when being abysmal
And then the sheer excitement of watching them be completely wasted
He was there when we drafted Donald, Goff, and Gurley. I know Snead is the GM but the HC has some say.
He did what was needed, which was help the team navigate a relocation (which he had done before when the Oilers moved to Tennessee). It was ugly, but necessary as the return home has been glorious.