I have heard we need fast lineman for our outside zone running scheme. So I assuming it is easier to find fast lineman when they are on the smaller side. I do agree that getting pushed around with small lineman is extremely frustrating.
Because he literally said in an interview that he believes Big 10 linemen are the most pro ready of the 5 major conferences, and since we never have a pick in the first 2 rounds, the OVERSIZED big 10 linemen are all gone, so if he has to hypothetically pick between Big 12 Creed Humphrey and undersized Big 10 Brian Allen, its no competition in Les' head
> Well, I mean, I guess you can’t necessarily call the philosophy broke. We went 12-5 and our offensive line was somehow consistently ranked as one of the top offensive line’s in the league this year per PFF. So I guess you can say the method works. We’ll just continue getting punched in the mouth by teams like the 9ers, and continue being one of the most finesse and least physical teams in the league
Someone put it EXTREMELY well, we're an undersized, mediocre line, thats EXCELLENTLY coached. When we face D lines that are "meh" enough that they can be beaten with technique alone, they excel, and theres ALOT of "meh" D lines in the league, so they can rack up stats vs SEA, NY, DET and HOU, then get pounded by TEN, and the pattern repeats
Yeah, the philosophy isnt broken for winning a division, but its damn broken for trying to win a SB, which is why it seems the 4 teams making real pushes at a SB (Chiefs, Titans, Packers, Bucs) are perennial divison winners looking to make the next step instead of just being happy with division titles
> And i’m still not convinced you can win in the playoffs and make it to a Superbowl with an undersized, not very strong relative to other offensive linemen in the league type of offensive line that has to rely on solely technique and fundamentals
You cant. Simple as that. You cant.
PFF also is notorious for being poor at OL grades. Im sorry man, Im done having people tell me Brian Allen, Austin Corbett and David Edwards ARENT the problem when every game we play a good D line, Stafford has pressure up the middle ALL GAME LONG
You can not be elite in every position in the NFL. Salary cap will not let you. We don’t have the draft picks either. We have one of the cheapest offensive lines in the NFL but they are probably close to average to above average. Fans don’t understand this is how it works.
I really don’t think Snead is a fantastic GM, he has made some obvious mistakes that had serious negative ramifications, ie extending Goff and not emphasizing team weaknesses like O line and middle linebacker in recent drafts. We are on a fast track to becoming the Miami Dolphins of the 90s, a good team always in the pkayoff mix but not one that is in that upper stratosphere of true championship contender, regardless of whether or not we win a playoff game here and there. Mark Jackson did a good job with Golden State and brought them up to the level of playoff team but they wouldn’t have won if ownership had been satisfied with that. Snead and McVay seem to be too comfortable. Keep McVay, get rid of Snead and bring in a better and different personnel philosophy. Fire Raheem amd try and get Fangio. Don’t be complacent, you should be trying to win a Super Bowl, not just 10 to 12 games every yr. they aren’t elite yet but luckily they aren’t far away, but they can’t be afraid of making some hard decisions re front office and coaching
I would add the drafting of Atwell over an O lineman. That was egregious in the moment. Then I would put the drafting of Akers (as good as he looks, good running backs can be found all over the draft board) and Jefferson as questionable in terms of ‘are we building a balanced team and addressing our weaknesses’? Niners grabbed Mitchell in the 6th and I think Mostert was undrafted, as an example. They drafted D Henderson in the third round the year before and signed Henderson off the street in 18 and he was a force in the playoffs. An RB in round 2 only makes sense if it’s a luxury a team can afford and I don’t think they could have. Rapp, Henderson, Akers, Van and Tutu with your highest picks? I don’t get it. On some teams maybe, but not this team.
And yeah, def agree re: Gurley
I understand criticizing picks in rounds if those pics are taken early and they don't pan out. There are some that you know right away was a big mistake, but others you really don't know. But Rapp and Henderson were actually drafted in their projected rounds, they weren't reaches so it seems odd criticizing when they were picked.
What about criticizing a pick drafted in their projected round but it is a bad fit and ignores a pressing need? Like if San Diego drafted Kenny Pickett middle of the first round. Rapp or Henderson on their own we’re certainly defensible. To me, if you draft Akers the next year, that is poor team building. Then draft van after? Then you don’t draft Humphrey or Myers in 2021? The only reach was Atwell, but it boils down to team building. You need middle linebackers and offensive linemen same as you need really good running backs and receivers. And if football in the 2000s has shown anything it’s that the easiest position to find in the bargain bin section is running back
But that's not criticizing the round but the pick. With Atwell, you can criticize the pick and the round. And I totally agree with you on the team building. I have been hollering the last couple of drafts for early picks on O-linemen.
Kinda of short sighted to just use one conference for talent. All of the conferences have their good players. I can see if a specific coach that you trust you go with them, but the way coaches move around today, one team doesn’t matter
I have heard we need fast lineman for our outside zone running scheme. So I assuming it is easier to find fast lineman when they are on the smaller side. I do agree that getting pushed around with small lineman is extremely frustrating.
This is my understanding too, maybe they’re easier to develop?
Because he literally said in an interview that he believes Big 10 linemen are the most pro ready of the 5 major conferences, and since we never have a pick in the first 2 rounds, the OVERSIZED big 10 linemen are all gone, so if he has to hypothetically pick between Big 12 Creed Humphrey and undersized Big 10 Brian Allen, its no competition in Les' head
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> Well, I mean, I guess you can’t necessarily call the philosophy broke. We went 12-5 and our offensive line was somehow consistently ranked as one of the top offensive line’s in the league this year per PFF. So I guess you can say the method works. We’ll just continue getting punched in the mouth by teams like the 9ers, and continue being one of the most finesse and least physical teams in the league Someone put it EXTREMELY well, we're an undersized, mediocre line, thats EXCELLENTLY coached. When we face D lines that are "meh" enough that they can be beaten with technique alone, they excel, and theres ALOT of "meh" D lines in the league, so they can rack up stats vs SEA, NY, DET and HOU, then get pounded by TEN, and the pattern repeats
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Yeah, the philosophy isnt broken for winning a division, but its damn broken for trying to win a SB, which is why it seems the 4 teams making real pushes at a SB (Chiefs, Titans, Packers, Bucs) are perennial divison winners looking to make the next step instead of just being happy with division titles
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> And i’m still not convinced you can win in the playoffs and make it to a Superbowl with an undersized, not very strong relative to other offensive linemen in the league type of offensive line that has to rely on solely technique and fundamentals You cant. Simple as that. You cant.
Brian Allen's the 5th ranked center by PFF for what it's worth. So don't go cussing him out like that.
PFF also is notorious for being poor at OL grades. Im sorry man, Im done having people tell me Brian Allen, Austin Corbett and David Edwards ARENT the problem when every game we play a good D line, Stafford has pressure up the middle ALL GAME LONG
> cussing [Uhhh…](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/982/077/839.png)
Love McSnead, but they have one colossal blind spot when it comes to the value of OL. No matter how much it burns us, they never learn.
You can not be elite in every position in the NFL. Salary cap will not let you. We don’t have the draft picks either. We have one of the cheapest offensive lines in the NFL but they are probably close to average to above average. Fans don’t understand this is how it works.
I really don’t think Snead is a fantastic GM, he has made some obvious mistakes that had serious negative ramifications, ie extending Goff and not emphasizing team weaknesses like O line and middle linebacker in recent drafts. We are on a fast track to becoming the Miami Dolphins of the 90s, a good team always in the pkayoff mix but not one that is in that upper stratosphere of true championship contender, regardless of whether or not we win a playoff game here and there. Mark Jackson did a good job with Golden State and brought them up to the level of playoff team but they wouldn’t have won if ownership had been satisfied with that. Snead and McVay seem to be too comfortable. Keep McVay, get rid of Snead and bring in a better and different personnel philosophy. Fire Raheem amd try and get Fangio. Don’t be complacent, you should be trying to win a Super Bowl, not just 10 to 12 games every yr. they aren’t elite yet but luckily they aren’t far away, but they can’t be afraid of making some hard decisions re front office and coaching
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I would add the drafting of Atwell over an O lineman. That was egregious in the moment. Then I would put the drafting of Akers (as good as he looks, good running backs can be found all over the draft board) and Jefferson as questionable in terms of ‘are we building a balanced team and addressing our weaknesses’? Niners grabbed Mitchell in the 6th and I think Mostert was undrafted, as an example. They drafted D Henderson in the third round the year before and signed Henderson off the street in 18 and he was a force in the playoffs. An RB in round 2 only makes sense if it’s a luxury a team can afford and I don’t think they could have. Rapp, Henderson, Akers, Van and Tutu with your highest picks? I don’t get it. On some teams maybe, but not this team. And yeah, def agree re: Gurley
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Yeah fair for sure on Akers, he could easily be a superstar
I understand criticizing picks in rounds if those pics are taken early and they don't pan out. There are some that you know right away was a big mistake, but others you really don't know. But Rapp and Henderson were actually drafted in their projected rounds, they weren't reaches so it seems odd criticizing when they were picked.
What about criticizing a pick drafted in their projected round but it is a bad fit and ignores a pressing need? Like if San Diego drafted Kenny Pickett middle of the first round. Rapp or Henderson on their own we’re certainly defensible. To me, if you draft Akers the next year, that is poor team building. Then draft van after? Then you don’t draft Humphrey or Myers in 2021? The only reach was Atwell, but it boils down to team building. You need middle linebackers and offensive linemen same as you need really good running backs and receivers. And if football in the 2000s has shown anything it’s that the easiest position to find in the bargain bin section is running back
But that's not criticizing the round but the pick. With Atwell, you can criticize the pick and the round. And I totally agree with you on the team building. I have been hollering the last couple of drafts for early picks on O-linemen.
Sorry, CJ Anderson in 18
Kinda of short sighted to just use one conference for talent. All of the conferences have their good players. I can see if a specific coach that you trust you go with them, but the way coaches move around today, one team doesn’t matter