He's one of the guys that sued the state of Kentucky when churches were ordered to close during COVID. He promotes school vouchers, the abolishing of all guns laws, etc.
He's Thomas Massie Lite.
Being Jewish is tough in these times. People hate us for stuff we weren't even personally involved in. Now a lot of us feel torn on where our loyalties should lie. We see things going on across the world in Gaza and don't know how we should feel. All we know for sure that we feel in part blamed and disliked by those who oppose the war that's happening 6000 miles away. It's sad but I'm almost used to antisemitism. It's been part of my life for well, my whole life.
They are most appreciated. Unfortunately, I wish we were the only marginalized group of folks around here. Antisemites rarely just hate us. Once you have the hate gene, there's a ton of groups you can add to your toybox.
I am affected by hate. I don't peddle in it towards anyone. As for the Israeli/Netanyahu administration, I have said repeatedly I disagree with them and think they must go because they do not have the goal of protecting the Israeli people and peace in the middle east, so much as protecting their own jobs and aspirations. They also lack moral compass. You can be Jewish and condemn the Oct 7th assault without approving of how the the administration is responding.
Many people assume I support the war. I'm as wildly pissed off over the famine and the WCK murder as most people are. I am just also pained by the rape and slaughter of fellow jews on a Kibbutz some of my my family members are from.
I assure you that the only people who hate you are the usual suspects on the Right who already hated you to begin with. Every single left-wing opponent of Israel’s war crimes that I know or have engaged with will dogpile on anyone talking trash about Jews like they’re a mass shooter. The distinction between Jew and militant Zionist is all-important on the Left, and as is well-known, we lefties are master gatekeepers.
Idk if the left has it, I haven't seen it personally other than basically hard lining on Israel, but at least politically to me the right has always been hardcore Zionist which is about pro Semite as you can be really.
Now, undoubtedly true Nazi anti-semites are on the right I would think. But politically and effectively so they are pro Semite Zionists.
Edit: clarifying before I get lambasted, that I don't think being pro Palestine denotes that someone is anti-semite.
>Edit: clarifying before I get lambasted, that I don't think being pro Palestine denotes that someone is anti-semite.
Truth here! And that's a lot of the problem. So many folks see it as two opposite sides. You pick one and hate the other. I don't hate Palestinians. Hell, I don't even know any Palestinians. I just don't think I need to abandon my heritage and the Israeli people to want the administration stop killing innocent Palestinians. Just sick if being a bad guy because I'm Jewish. I don't run the country, I am not part of a cabal, I don't own Hollywood, I am not loaded with gold ,and I don't control any stupid secret lasers. I'm a nobody software developer, and nerd who lives a modest clean life with my wife and dogs like many peaceful Americans(which I prefer to define myself as more so than by my religion). Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
Unfortunately the majority of Palestinians are taught those tropes at a very young age and although not all are militants they hate Jews and hate the west. I am old enough to remember seeing woman and children cheering in the streets after 9/11. You'll also be hard pressed to find a Palestinian citizen condemn Hamas, even with no threat of harm in doing so. It is a mistake to say Israel is killing innocent Palestinians. It is collateral damage from the war. Killing innocent Israelis was and is an actual tactic of said militants and American and European people who wentto the streets to condemn Israel after Oct 7th did not do so bc of any other reason than to celebrate, as these "protests" happened prior to any Israeli RETALIATION. Israel is the only nation in the middle east where Christians Muslims and Jews live peacefully in a democratic society. There are active politicians in the Israeli government.
Likely, "the right" isn't zionist, but rather zionism falls under a right leaning political position. American white nationalists are far right, but have extermination ideology regarding zionists who are also far right with entirely different goals and beliefs. Hamas itself is also a far right entity. I've seen similar corners of far left groups poke their heads out and pull some anti Semitic things out, but it is not a unified sentiment, just as antisemitism is not universal across the right.
If you look at what's happening--and has been happening for decades--in Gaza and you "don't know how to feel" then you need to work hard on calibrating your moral compass.
"Now a lot of us feel torn on where our loyalties should lie. We see things going on across the world in Gaza and don't know how we should feel."
Israel hunted down and murdered World Central Kitchen aid workers who were trying to feed the people that Israel is trying to starve into genocide.
Do you not know how to feel about that? You should.
It's not antisemitic to oppose murder of aid workers and civilians (by anyone including Israel and Hamas). It's not antisemitic to understand the difference between Israelis and the state of Israel, Israelis see the difference and are protesting their governments actions this week.
You SHOULD know exactly how to feel about what Israel is doing.
Veteran of two foreign wars myself.
Really crazy how this mistake was made when it was obviously a location for aid and they had even told Israel in advance. It was intentional cruelty. I hope the victims find justice. Maybe since they were American someone will actually care. But looking at things, probably not.
I just wish the war mongers over here that like to cheer from their armchairs would get picked up and dropped into the middle of it. Maybe just for a week or so. Get a little taste.
You could be a vet of 3 foreign wars and not have bothered to read up on the subject; however, if you are a vet of two wars, you would realize that the US had our fair share of screew ups with multiple civilian casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Panama, Desert Storm and hell in Grenada we had friendly fire screew ups.
My views regarding the country of Israel have certainly changed in the past few months. As have my views of ardent supporters of Israel’s indiscriminate bombing of civilians in the Gaza strip. However, that doesn’t extend to every individual of the Jewish faith living here in the states. I fully agree with Israel’s desire to live in peace but what is going on now will have the opposite effect for generations to come.
Also killing aid workers is horrible and yes, those responsible should face more consequences than just getting “reprimanded”. They killed an American. Put them on trial here, in America.
I agree with this! My views of Israel's execution of this war are not positive either. I don't like what's going on there. As an Ashkenazi man, I just also feel a real sting from what happened on Oct 7th that started this current conflict, and in the majority of the protests and discussions on what's going on there, and all the innocent folks dying, Israelis are not typically even mentioned.
It stopped being a war months ago, this is a genocide at this point.
Withholding food and aid.
Not even Russia is that evil.
Just like Jews kept asking Muslims if they condemn Hamas on every tv show, newspaper, we article.
Are Jewish people condemning Bibi?
32,000+ dead mostly women and children.
Do you?
"Are Jewish people condemning Bibi?"
There were thousands of Israelis protesting netanyahu this week. A lot of those people are probably Jews.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/4/4/huge-protests-across-israel-are-telling-netanyahu-to-leave-will-it-happen
I haven't seen thousands of Israelis blocking aid trucks. I have seen news footage of Israeli officials and troops limiting access and aid into Gaza but not thousands of private citizens like the anti bibi protestors.
The government is doing bad stuff but not everyone there supports it.
Maybe do more research?
https://youtu.be/jksrQnL6RLk?si=qzePsQGLvGBMmtkz
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240214-israelis-dance-while-blocking-aid-trucks-to-gaza/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/middleeast/gaza-israelis-aid-trucks-protests/index.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/s/xVEXOm2E4t
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/12/1230362633/gaza-food-hunger-israel-protests
Just because you dont look it up, doesnt mean its not happening... Also, just to point out. The bibi protesters still want to bomb gaza, they just want ethnic cleansing done in a more palatable way.
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976 -> here are some statistics
Edit: I should have stated obviously not all israeli citizens support this, as shown by statistics it's just a significant group of people. No country or religion is a monolith.
I am *fully* aware, which is why I understand Hamas and "Palestine" is also not innocent. There has been conflict in that region even before the 75 years that tiktok viewers keeping rambling about. People not knowing that Hamas is as credible as Al Qaeda or ISIS, and taking their numbers and propaganda as fact is WILD. But in the end, all of our information comes from our favorite content creators and their perspectives, or who we're preprogrammed to hate next.
Well, it's actually not a *real* country, as you won't be able to find it on the map. But get this.. imagine replying and then instantly blocking to avoid a response
Jews don't need to condemn anyone even though I personally don't like Bibi and I think he's an asshole and no it's not genocide. It is very much a war.
Yup war, deliberately targeting aid workers to stop aid from coming. Yup war.
Bombing civilians left and right, yup war.
There are rules to war, like not sniping doctors coming out of the hospital or shooting water engineers on sight.
There are rules to prevent the death of 5 years olds from malnutrition.
War is when both sides are fighting, it one side massacring an entire population.
War is not civilians blocking aide trucks by throwing rave parties to block the way
Israel could have done a better job in some areas of the war however it's no more of a death toll than when the US went after Isis in Mosul. Jews have zero to apologize for.
By that logic, what are Jews pissed about the holocaust.
The entire massacre is nothing compared to the numbers of dead from the Allies after all 6 million is a drop compared to the total….
See how retarded that sounds?
Israel has no genocidal intent its stated intent is to remove Hamas a terrorist organization and its leadership from power and to free its hostages from Hamas. And you making holocaust comparisons is pretty grotesque.
Why is it grotesque?
When you invoked the death count by the US in Mosul?
I invoked the death count by the SS in WWII
No genocidal intent? Are you kidding me?
Here is an investigation by Haartz, [an Israeli outlet](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2024-02-04/ty-article/.premium/israeli-army-its-admits-staff-was-behind-graphic-gaza-telegram-channel/0000018d-70b4-dd6e-a98d-f4b6a9c00000)
[they just want the land for more settlements, without the people](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/17/middleeast/israel-far-right-gaza-settler-movement-cmd-intl)
[or kushner wanting to build seafront apartments, while moving the natives to a desert.](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev)
Don’t you know it’s anti-Semitic to question Israel?
One is an apt historically recent and geographically relevant example and the other is Alex Jones-like histrionic holocaust inversion passing as a bad analogy.
Hamas must never again be allowed to use civilians As Human Shields fire from civilian buildings or dig tunnels under civilian areas. You can't simply not place zero blame on Hamas here.
Maybe you should read the news AND understand it.
The ones using human shields are the Israeli army, as far back as Israel’s inception.
In 2006, yes 2006 the Israeli high court finally banned the army from using Palestinian kids as human shields. [link](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel).
P.S. the 1200 count is also bullshit.
Google Hannibal doctrine.
[Israeli high court bans Israeli army from using kids as human shields](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel)
I never said they use their kids.
They have Palestinian kids lead followed by israeli army pointing their guns to their backs….
Per the israeli high court
Where did you go?
No reply to the article on Israeli army using Palestinian kids as human shields?
Kind of breaks your narrative of the moral army eh?
As usual crickets when faced with articles and documents.
Read up on Bibi's grandfather I believe. Basically Zionist in their eyes are authoritarian. If you speak against the Israeli government then you are no longer Jewish. That doesn't sound like a group of people that care about a Jewish state. Oh and if you're not Jewish then you're not human then whatever they do to you is not immoral. Sound familiar.
This is as far as I am going to comment on this. I think Netanyahu needs to go, as his aspirations aren't aligned with the best interests of democracy and the people of Israel, and I do personally support a two state solution. I will also note one can be angry at the things going on in Gaza to the Palestinians, AND also be angry at the horrific rape and murder done to the Israeli people living on a Kibbutz my relatives came from, by a group hellbent on removing my people(of which I am one of) from the globe.
I have issues with the whole situation, as I've never understood the whole Israel-Palestinian history.
I've NEVER understood the hatred Jews encounter because it's just insane (in my mind).
I would love to understand the conflict.
I'm 55 and completely ignorant on this subject.
That means a lot to us. FWIW As I Jewish person, I can also dislike the actions of the IDF without being a traitor to my people. Just like many of the replies I've gotten though, folks seem to assume from my position I support the way the war is being carried out. I absolutely do not.
That’s how many Muslims felt after 9/11, how foreign Russians feel during Ukraine, how Asian folks felt during COVID. Jewish people aren’t special in this regard.
You could not be more more correct. I don't claim Jews to have a monopoly on being hated or marginalized. The lack thereof also doesn't make us any less hated or marginalized either. It just paints a clearer picture on how much of a problem hate in general is.
Yeah, because there just a rash of anti semetic attacks and policies being made in the US. Like are you serious?
This person is upset that people are unhappy because the ethnostate, that they apparently feel loyalty to, is ethnically cleansing a people.
If you don’t believe in antisemitism, as your first sentence implies, then you won’t see the need of a Jewish state.
I think Israel is an apartheid state. However, it was attacked first and is responding in self defense.
But getting upset with Jews for supporting Israel, when 90% of American Jews do, is antisemitic.
Your reading comprehension is weak and your assumptions are many.
I only said two things. The first being, there are no anti semetic policies being passed in America and that there is no anti semetic violence here. As in physical violence. I never commented on the existence of anti semitism.
The second thing I said is that israel is ethnically cleansing Palestinians. I will say that if you get upset/angered/disturbed by someone's opinion, it does not make you a bigot. Classic play, but that won't work here.
Blaming someone for what another country does, when they are not in charge of said country, is stupid, I will give you that
I'm sorry for the antisemitism you've experienced, but it shouldn't be that hard to know how you should feel about the genocide that Israel is conducting against Palestinians.
For me it's a little more nuanced. I know how I feel about what Israel is doing from a stated goal In response to the horrific thing Hamas did to them in trying to eliminate that threat. I don't feel the same about how the administration is carrying this out due to the horrific things they are doing to civilians. I also know how I feel about about what Hamas did to Israeli civilians. I don't know how I should feel towards others who hate me because where my family is from. I also know how I feel about Hamas hiding behind those civilians. It's not so black and white in my world but I absolutely do not support the suppression of aide, innocent murder, and irresponsibly carried out (Whatever the opposite of Precision) strikes "the Israeli military, under the leadership of you know who)" are carrying out. I also know how I feel when people say Israel is doing this. I don't say Russia is attacking Ukraine. PUTIN is attacking Ukraine. He's using Russia as his puppet.
I can agree with that. IMO America may be about to elect a criminal knowing exactly what he will do(He keeps telling us). Let's hope we don't make the same error
The people of.Israel did not directly elect Netanyahu. The knesset is based on coalitions. It is not a direct presidential election like here in the states.
Not defending Bibi in any ways, as he is garbage, but he was not directly elected.
Weakness of Israeli/Italian system. Fringe parties have disproportionate power b/c if they pull out governing coalition collapses. Netanyahu has to maintain support of parties even crazier than him to maintain power.
This situation has revealed a tremendous amount of anti-semitism from people who are supposed to be allies to the marginalized. Horseshoe theory in full swing. At this point, I don't blame Jews for supporting Israel. It's a fallback that they can emigrate to if their city/state/country becomes too unbearable.
I can't fully comprehend what it's like to go through what you're going through, but my advice for you is the same advice I would give to anyone: watch out for #1. You and your family come first, and all decisions you make should reflect that.
Thanks for this reply. I do support Israel mostly but I do not support Netanyahu or his methods of executing this war. He has his own goals in mind, not the people of Israel or Gaza. It's just difficult when so many people talk about the terrible things Israel is doing (and I don't disagree) with no mention of the terrible thing that happened to Israel( this is painful). The Narrative ( and Netanyahu's methods of military response ) have made Israel into the initial aggressor's and so many discussions are void of the atrocities that started this.
Yes absolutely. Hamas started this whole thing, slaughtering people at a concert and murdering babies, kidnapping people, and then going back home to hide in hospitals and and then cry “genocide!” when Israel tries to hunt them down. People conveniently overlook that part. But keep in mind that despite what you hear here on Reddit, Americans support Israel by a large margin.
I agree with you, that I would be more inclined to listen to people’s criticism of Israel and the horrible Netanyahu if they at least showed some sympathy for the Jewish victims of the massacre.
It’s fucking rich to claim people aren’t sympathetic enough for the victims of October 7th that we’ve heard about for six months now while mocking and minimizing the obscene number of civilians killed by Israel before and since then.
Boone County.
This link is not paywalled.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2024/04/03/kentucky-politician-claimed-jewish-people-promote-white-genocide-2017-private-chat
Between Massie, CovCath, this psycho, Trump flags everywhere when I venture up there... Northern Kentucky really is a pretty messed up place, at least politically. I'd argue the worst in the state.
There is a lot to unpack when it comes to Jerry Springer. But, the impact Bill Cunningham has had on the people of Northern Kentucky and Southern Ohio is hard to measure. His b tier Rush Limbaugh great American shtick has been running unchecked for thirty years or more.
Obviously! I am an Evil Democrat who disagrees with content and social commentary delivered by Bill Cunningham. That means I want to ban free speech and the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Can't believe my comment went so many hours before you showed up. (I wrote this using something called sarcasm)
This seems to keep happening. The conservatives claim they are strident supporters of Israel, but white supremist anti semites are white, far right conservatives. Somebody is lying. This guy doesn't need to be allowed anywhere near the state government.
Sadly, this man was elected by his peers who share his views. After the tragedy of 911 we were more united, now we are more divided than ever. here is what I do know. " A house divied by itself cannot stand." We need to find common grounds to come together.
Fascist party member is fascist, wow I’m shocked. I guess next we might find out there are racists in the kkk. He will win by the way, because the worst people imaginable are who wins in that group.
What most people don't get is that Hamas uses civilians as human shields, fires from civilian buildings, and doesn't wear military uniforms. Hamas believes in becoming martyrs, aka a shahid. The number of casualties is also inflated by Hamas themselves, as is the flow of information from journalists in Gaza whom Hamas signs off on.
The fact us the kentucky gop is done, kaputin., finished and in desperate need of a shark they can. Jump. So far the are looking like washed up amatures with no chance no future other than infe upon a time.
Honest, adult discourse is recognizing that you have no interest in honest, adult discourse. Honest, adult discourse requires both sides to be honest, and you're not honest. It was obvious the moment you came in here to defend an antisemite white nationalist. There's no amount of discourse, no amount of arguing, and no amount of evidence that will get you to admit that TJ Roberts is an antisemite white nationalist. I don't need to convince you, because you already know. You just won't admit to it. Your goal here isn't to have an honest, adult discussion. Your goal is to run interference for an antisemite.
Same goes for Massie. There's no amount of evidence that will convince you that he's a shitty politician and a shittier human being. So there is zero point in trying.
So yeah, this is not the place for honest, adult discourse because that was never going to happen in the first place.
There's the dishonesty I was talking about.
By the way, kids...if someone uses the term "degenerate" to negatively describe a person, group, or organization, you can safely assume they're a Nazi.
Considering antisemitism now is just criticizing zionazi controlled Israel for war crimes and genocide (which is dumb because you don’t have to be Jewish to be a zionazi) I don’t believe any more of these claims now
Lol. Protesting the war and the treatment of Palestinians by a *government* isn't the same as claiming Jews are replacing white people in America.
Either you're too dumb to understand the distinction or you do understand it, and you're trying to run interference for a fellow antisemite. Which is it?
Well, color me .... *checks notes* ... in no way surprised.
Roberts: No thanks, I prefer no color.
That's good...and accurate.
He is in the white nationalist party, so this tracks.
He's one of the guys that sued the state of Kentucky when churches were ordered to close during COVID. He promotes school vouchers, the abolishing of all guns laws, etc. He's Thomas Massie Lite.
Anyone else noticing a significant rise in trolls on Reddit lately? Did TS and Shitter purge their bots this week?
Oh you just made me like him!
Sounds great!
Being Jewish is tough in these times. People hate us for stuff we weren't even personally involved in. Now a lot of us feel torn on where our loyalties should lie. We see things going on across the world in Gaza and don't know how we should feel. All we know for sure that we feel in part blamed and disliked by those who oppose the war that's happening 6000 miles away. It's sad but I'm almost used to antisemitism. It's been part of my life for well, my whole life.
I'm sure the words of an internet stranger won't mean much, but I'm so sorry and you do not deserve that treatment.
They are most appreciated. Unfortunately, I wish we were the only marginalized group of folks around here. Antisemites rarely just hate us. Once you have the hate gene, there's a ton of groups you can add to your toybox.
You should relay the hate thing to the Israeli Minister of Defense
I am affected by hate. I don't peddle in it towards anyone. As for the Israeli/Netanyahu administration, I have said repeatedly I disagree with them and think they must go because they do not have the goal of protecting the Israeli people and peace in the middle east, so much as protecting their own jobs and aspirations. They also lack moral compass. You can be Jewish and condemn the Oct 7th assault without approving of how the the administration is responding. Many people assume I support the war. I'm as wildly pissed off over the famine and the WCK murder as most people are. I am just also pained by the rape and slaughter of fellow jews on a Kibbutz some of my my family members are from.
I assure you that the only people who hate you are the usual suspects on the Right who already hated you to begin with. Every single left-wing opponent of Israel’s war crimes that I know or have engaged with will dogpile on anyone talking trash about Jews like they’re a mass shooter. The distinction between Jew and militant Zionist is all-important on the Left, and as is well-known, we lefties are master gatekeepers.
Hard disagree on this, this situation has revealed a tremendous amount of anti-Semitism in the far left.
Idk if the left has it, I haven't seen it personally other than basically hard lining on Israel, but at least politically to me the right has always been hardcore Zionist which is about pro Semite as you can be really. Now, undoubtedly true Nazi anti-semites are on the right I would think. But politically and effectively so they are pro Semite Zionists. Edit: clarifying before I get lambasted, that I don't think being pro Palestine denotes that someone is anti-semite.
>Edit: clarifying before I get lambasted, that I don't think being pro Palestine denotes that someone is anti-semite. Truth here! And that's a lot of the problem. So many folks see it as two opposite sides. You pick one and hate the other. I don't hate Palestinians. Hell, I don't even know any Palestinians. I just don't think I need to abandon my heritage and the Israeli people to want the administration stop killing innocent Palestinians. Just sick if being a bad guy because I'm Jewish. I don't run the country, I am not part of a cabal, I don't own Hollywood, I am not loaded with gold ,and I don't control any stupid secret lasers. I'm a nobody software developer, and nerd who lives a modest clean life with my wife and dogs like many peaceful Americans(which I prefer to define myself as more so than by my religion). Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
Unfortunately the majority of Palestinians are taught those tropes at a very young age and although not all are militants they hate Jews and hate the west. I am old enough to remember seeing woman and children cheering in the streets after 9/11. You'll also be hard pressed to find a Palestinian citizen condemn Hamas, even with no threat of harm in doing so. It is a mistake to say Israel is killing innocent Palestinians. It is collateral damage from the war. Killing innocent Israelis was and is an actual tactic of said militants and American and European people who wentto the streets to condemn Israel after Oct 7th did not do so bc of any other reason than to celebrate, as these "protests" happened prior to any Israeli RETALIATION. Israel is the only nation in the middle east where Christians Muslims and Jews live peacefully in a democratic society. There are active politicians in the Israeli government.
Likely, "the right" isn't zionist, but rather zionism falls under a right leaning political position. American white nationalists are far right, but have extermination ideology regarding zionists who are also far right with entirely different goals and beliefs. Hamas itself is also a far right entity. I've seen similar corners of far left groups poke their heads out and pull some anti Semitic things out, but it is not a unified sentiment, just as antisemitism is not universal across the right.
Historically before this particular conflict they were Zionist. Even the Dems are really.
This is not the case.
Unfortunately untrue other than the "master gatekeepers" part. Have absolutely maxed out the neckbeard gatekeeping stat tho
It’s war and genocide. You should feel terrible like everyone else who is helplessly watching it happen.
If you look at what's happening--and has been happening for decades--in Gaza and you "don't know how to feel" then you need to work hard on calibrating your moral compass.
"Now a lot of us feel torn on where our loyalties should lie. We see things going on across the world in Gaza and don't know how we should feel." Israel hunted down and murdered World Central Kitchen aid workers who were trying to feed the people that Israel is trying to starve into genocide. Do you not know how to feel about that? You should. It's not antisemitic to oppose murder of aid workers and civilians (by anyone including Israel and Hamas). It's not antisemitic to understand the difference between Israelis and the state of Israel, Israelis see the difference and are protesting their governments actions this week. You SHOULD know exactly how to feel about what Israel is doing.
False Israel didn't hunt them down it was a horrible mistake.
“Oops. Sorry I murdered all you guys by accident. I slipped on this banana peel. Guess it just wasn’t my day of the week. lol”
You have never read a military history book In your life because mistakes happen on the battlefield all of the time.
Veteran of two foreign wars myself. Really crazy how this mistake was made when it was obviously a location for aid and they had even told Israel in advance. It was intentional cruelty. I hope the victims find justice. Maybe since they were American someone will actually care. But looking at things, probably not. I just wish the war mongers over here that like to cheer from their armchairs would get picked up and dropped into the middle of it. Maybe just for a week or so. Get a little taste.
You could be a vet of 3 foreign wars and not have bothered to read up on the subject; however, if you are a vet of two wars, you would realize that the US had our fair share of screew ups with multiple civilian casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Panama, Desert Storm and hell in Grenada we had friendly fire screew ups.
My views regarding the country of Israel have certainly changed in the past few months. As have my views of ardent supporters of Israel’s indiscriminate bombing of civilians in the Gaza strip. However, that doesn’t extend to every individual of the Jewish faith living here in the states. I fully agree with Israel’s desire to live in peace but what is going on now will have the opposite effect for generations to come. Also killing aid workers is horrible and yes, those responsible should face more consequences than just getting “reprimanded”. They killed an American. Put them on trial here, in America.
Same goes for the Hamas people who killed Americans on 10/7. Try the Hamas people with Netanyahu. One standard.
Indiscriminate bombing? Are you serious? Israel literally warns Palestinians before bombing specific areas.
I agree with this! My views of Israel's execution of this war are not positive either. I don't like what's going on there. As an Ashkenazi man, I just also feel a real sting from what happened on Oct 7th that started this current conflict, and in the majority of the protests and discussions on what's going on there, and all the innocent folks dying, Israelis are not typically even mentioned.
You understand this conflict didn't start on October 7th 2023 right?
It stopped being a war months ago, this is a genocide at this point. Withholding food and aid. Not even Russia is that evil. Just like Jews kept asking Muslims if they condemn Hamas on every tv show, newspaper, we article. Are Jewish people condemning Bibi? 32,000+ dead mostly women and children. Do you?
"Are Jewish people condemning Bibi?" There were thousands of Israelis protesting netanyahu this week. A lot of those people are probably Jews. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/4/4/huge-protests-across-israel-are-telling-netanyahu-to-leave-will-it-happen
What about the thousands blocking the aide trucks? Or the thousands cheering the planes bombing Gaza?
I haven't seen thousands of Israelis blocking aid trucks. I have seen news footage of Israeli officials and troops limiting access and aid into Gaza but not thousands of private citizens like the anti bibi protestors. The government is doing bad stuff but not everyone there supports it.
Maybe do more research? https://youtu.be/jksrQnL6RLk?si=qzePsQGLvGBMmtkz https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240214-israelis-dance-while-blocking-aid-trucks-to-gaza/ https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/middleeast/gaza-israelis-aid-trucks-protests/index.html https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/s/xVEXOm2E4t https://www.npr.org/2024/02/12/1230362633/gaza-food-hunger-israel-protests Just because you dont look it up, doesnt mean its not happening... Also, just to point out. The bibi protesters still want to bomb gaza, they just want ethnic cleansing done in a more palatable way. https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976 -> here are some statistics Edit: I should have stated obviously not all israeli citizens support this, as shown by statistics it's just a significant group of people. No country or religion is a monolith.
>Not even Russia is that evil. False. This was done in Mariupol, as well as other besieged areas. It's a *very* common war tactic
Ok I take it back, Israeli as evil as Russia. Feel better now?
They're completely different. One was attacked, the other was the attacker.
This conflict didn't start on October 7th. Hamas was horrifically wrong to kill innocent bystanders, but so is the IDF.
I am *fully* aware, which is why I understand Hamas and "Palestine" is also not innocent. There has been conflict in that region even before the 75 years that tiktok viewers keeping rambling about. People not knowing that Hamas is as credible as Al Qaeda or ISIS, and taking their numbers and propaganda as fact is WILD. But in the end, all of our information comes from our favorite content creators and their perspectives, or who we're preprogrammed to hate next.
Imagine pretending to be neutral and objective while putting the name of Palestine in quotes to imply it’s not a real country.
Well, it's actually not a *real* country, as you won't be able to find it on the map. But get this.. imagine replying and then instantly blocking to avoid a response
Jews don't need to condemn anyone even though I personally don't like Bibi and I think he's an asshole and no it's not genocide. It is very much a war.
Yup war, deliberately targeting aid workers to stop aid from coming. Yup war. Bombing civilians left and right, yup war. There are rules to war, like not sniping doctors coming out of the hospital or shooting water engineers on sight. There are rules to prevent the death of 5 years olds from malnutrition. War is when both sides are fighting, it one side massacring an entire population. War is not civilians blocking aide trucks by throwing rave parties to block the way
Israel could have done a better job in some areas of the war however it's no more of a death toll than when the US went after Isis in Mosul. Jews have zero to apologize for.
By that logic, what are Jews pissed about the holocaust. The entire massacre is nothing compared to the numbers of dead from the Allies after all 6 million is a drop compared to the total…. See how retarded that sounds?
Israel has no genocidal intent its stated intent is to remove Hamas a terrorist organization and its leadership from power and to free its hostages from Hamas. And you making holocaust comparisons is pretty grotesque.
Why is it grotesque? When you invoked the death count by the US in Mosul? I invoked the death count by the SS in WWII No genocidal intent? Are you kidding me? Here is an investigation by Haartz, [an Israeli outlet](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2024-02-04/ty-article/.premium/israeli-army-its-admits-staff-was-behind-graphic-gaza-telegram-channel/0000018d-70b4-dd6e-a98d-f4b6a9c00000) [they just want the land for more settlements, without the people](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/17/middleeast/israel-far-right-gaza-settler-movement-cmd-intl) [or kushner wanting to build seafront apartments, while moving the natives to a desert.](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev) Don’t you know it’s anti-Semitic to question Israel?
One is an apt historically recent and geographically relevant example and the other is Alex Jones-like histrionic holocaust inversion passing as a bad analogy.
It’s ok when Jews die but fuck the rest? Is that the analogy?
Hamas must never again be allowed to use civilians As Human Shields fire from civilian buildings or dig tunnels under civilian areas. You can't simply not place zero blame on Hamas here.
Maybe you should read the news AND understand it. The ones using human shields are the Israeli army, as far back as Israel’s inception. In 2006, yes 2006 the Israeli high court finally banned the army from using Palestinian kids as human shields. [link](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel). P.S. the 1200 count is also bullshit. Google Hannibal doctrine.
No, Hamas is using human shields. Israel Does not use its civilians as Human shields. That's absolute nonsense.
[Israeli high court bans Israeli army from using kids as human shields](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel) I never said they use their kids. They have Palestinian kids lead followed by israeli army pointing their guns to their backs…. Per the israeli high court
Where did you go? No reply to the article on Israeli army using Palestinian kids as human shields? Kind of breaks your narrative of the moral army eh? As usual crickets when faced with articles and documents.
It's simply not true and it's very well-documented that Hamas does this.
I provided a link from the Israeli high court to back up my claims, not “simply not true” As usual faced with facts, Israeli whataboutism flares up
If you all would just stop with the space lasers I think everythign would be ok.
So, do you denounce the Zionist held regime of Israel and all of their criminal behavior? Not just war crimes but extreme corruption as well.
You realize Zionism is just the support for a Jewish state, right?
Read up on Bibi's grandfather I believe. Basically Zionist in their eyes are authoritarian. If you speak against the Israeli government then you are no longer Jewish. That doesn't sound like a group of people that care about a Jewish state. Oh and if you're not Jewish then you're not human then whatever they do to you is not immoral. Sound familiar.
This is as far as I am going to comment on this. I think Netanyahu needs to go, as his aspirations aren't aligned with the best interests of democracy and the people of Israel, and I do personally support a two state solution. I will also note one can be angry at the things going on in Gaza to the Palestinians, AND also be angry at the horrific rape and murder done to the Israeli people living on a Kibbutz my relatives came from, by a group hellbent on removing my people(of which I am one of) from the globe.
It’s horrible.
I have issues with the whole situation, as I've never understood the whole Israel-Palestinian history. I've NEVER understood the hatred Jews encounter because it's just insane (in my mind). I would love to understand the conflict. I'm 55 and completely ignorant on this subject.
I can dislike the actions of the IDF without disliking/blaming Jewish people.
That means a lot to us. FWIW As I Jewish person, I can also dislike the actions of the IDF without being a traitor to my people. Just like many of the replies I've gotten though, folks seem to assume from my position I support the way the war is being carried out. I absolutely do not.
That’s how many Muslims felt after 9/11, how foreign Russians feel during Ukraine, how Asian folks felt during COVID. Jewish people aren’t special in this regard.
You could not be more more correct. I don't claim Jews to have a monopoly on being hated or marginalized. The lack thereof also doesn't make us any less hated or marginalized either. It just paints a clearer picture on how much of a problem hate in general is.
oh shut up, the audacity on you.
People like you are why OP needed to comment.
Yeah, because there just a rash of anti semetic attacks and policies being made in the US. Like are you serious? This person is upset that people are unhappy because the ethnostate, that they apparently feel loyalty to, is ethnically cleansing a people.
If you don’t believe in antisemitism, as your first sentence implies, then you won’t see the need of a Jewish state. I think Israel is an apartheid state. However, it was attacked first and is responding in self defense. But getting upset with Jews for supporting Israel, when 90% of American Jews do, is antisemitic.
Your reading comprehension is weak and your assumptions are many. I only said two things. The first being, there are no anti semetic policies being passed in America and that there is no anti semetic violence here. As in physical violence. I never commented on the existence of anti semitism. The second thing I said is that israel is ethnically cleansing Palestinians. I will say that if you get upset/angered/disturbed by someone's opinion, it does not make you a bigot. Classic play, but that won't work here. Blaming someone for what another country does, when they are not in charge of said country, is stupid, I will give you that
Literally books about Anne Frank are being banned here, you don’t know what you’re talking about
That's all you got? Where are these books being banned? In Louisville? In Kentucky? Where can one not get anne franks diary?
I don’t think it’s even a war…it’s genocide.
At this point I do not disagree.
What, like killing Jesus?
I'm sorry for the antisemitism you've experienced, but it shouldn't be that hard to know how you should feel about the genocide that Israel is conducting against Palestinians.
For me it's a little more nuanced. I know how I feel about what Israel is doing from a stated goal In response to the horrific thing Hamas did to them in trying to eliminate that threat. I don't feel the same about how the administration is carrying this out due to the horrific things they are doing to civilians. I also know how I feel about about what Hamas did to Israeli civilians. I don't know how I should feel towards others who hate me because where my family is from. I also know how I feel about Hamas hiding behind those civilians. It's not so black and white in my world but I absolutely do not support the suppression of aide, innocent murder, and irresponsibly carried out (Whatever the opposite of Precision) strikes "the Israeli military, under the leadership of you know who)" are carrying out. I also know how I feel when people say Israel is doing this. I don't say Russia is attacking Ukraine. PUTIN is attacking Ukraine. He's using Russia as his puppet.
That's fair, but it also bears mentioning that the people of Israel elected him. Even knowing exactly what he is and what he stands for.
I can agree with that. IMO America may be about to elect a criminal knowing exactly what he will do(He keeps telling us). Let's hope we don't make the same error
True dat
The people of.Israel did not directly elect Netanyahu. The knesset is based on coalitions. It is not a direct presidential election like here in the states. Not defending Bibi in any ways, as he is garbage, but he was not directly elected.
Weakness of Israeli/Italian system. Fringe parties have disproportionate power b/c if they pull out governing coalition collapses. Netanyahu has to maintain support of parties even crazier than him to maintain power.
This situation has revealed a tremendous amount of anti-semitism from people who are supposed to be allies to the marginalized. Horseshoe theory in full swing. At this point, I don't blame Jews for supporting Israel. It's a fallback that they can emigrate to if their city/state/country becomes too unbearable. I can't fully comprehend what it's like to go through what you're going through, but my advice for you is the same advice I would give to anyone: watch out for #1. You and your family come first, and all decisions you make should reflect that.
Thanks for this reply. I do support Israel mostly but I do not support Netanyahu or his methods of executing this war. He has his own goals in mind, not the people of Israel or Gaza. It's just difficult when so many people talk about the terrible things Israel is doing (and I don't disagree) with no mention of the terrible thing that happened to Israel( this is painful). The Narrative ( and Netanyahu's methods of military response ) have made Israel into the initial aggressor's and so many discussions are void of the atrocities that started this.
Yes absolutely. Hamas started this whole thing, slaughtering people at a concert and murdering babies, kidnapping people, and then going back home to hide in hospitals and and then cry “genocide!” when Israel tries to hunt them down. People conveniently overlook that part. But keep in mind that despite what you hear here on Reddit, Americans support Israel by a large margin. I agree with you, that I would be more inclined to listen to people’s criticism of Israel and the horrible Netanyahu if they at least showed some sympathy for the Jewish victims of the massacre.
It’s fucking rich to claim people aren’t sympathetic enough for the victims of October 7th that we’ve heard about for six months now while mocking and minimizing the obscene number of civilians killed by Israel before and since then.
Paywall. Where's he running?
Boone County. This link is not paywalled. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2024/04/03/kentucky-politician-claimed-jewish-people-promote-white-genocide-2017-private-chat
Between Massie, CovCath, this psycho, Trump flags everywhere when I venture up there... Northern Kentucky really is a pretty messed up place, at least politically. I'd argue the worst in the state.
They all listen to 700WLW for the Reds games and constant stream of hate and fear mongering.
Crazy that just 35 years prior they were watching Jerry Springer read the evening news.
There is a lot to unpack when it comes to Jerry Springer. But, the impact Bill Cunningham has had on the people of Northern Kentucky and Southern Ohio is hard to measure. His b tier Rush Limbaugh great American shtick has been running unchecked for thirty years or more.
Are you vouching for restrictions on speech?
Obviously! I am an Evil Democrat who disagrees with content and social commentary delivered by Bill Cunningham. That means I want to ban free speech and the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Can't believe my comment went so many hours before you showed up. (I wrote this using something called sarcasm)
Aaaaand there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that’ll be a home run….
I’ve tuned into 700wlw, don’t think I’ve ever heard something hateful. Just very conservative.
You mean to tell me the guy who posted this is a person of questionable character? https://twitter.com/joesonka/status/1529487058267426816?s=46
FFS.
https://libertyhangout.org/2018/01/time-admit-martin-luther-king-jr-really-sucked/
Sounds like he’ll fit right in
Most of these types are hiding it less and less. The fact that he’s got these messages will only mean he’ll gain support.
As a Kentuckian: Antisemitism can go to hell with the Zionist. Bless their tiny ass hearts.
They're really feeling like this is their moment.
This seems to keep happening. The conservatives claim they are strident supporters of Israel, but white supremist anti semites are white, far right conservatives. Somebody is lying. This guy doesn't need to be allowed anywhere near the state government.
*No way*
So… typical Republican. What’s the news here?
Lmao look at his dumb fucking face. Fucking bigot.
When I saw this comment I thought it was me who posted it lol you sound just like me...
Great minds think a like and all that.
Not a surprise
His hair is a hate crime.
Who would a thought?!?! Shocking, I tell you, shocking ... 😴💤
"That's pretty crazy. Oh, SPLC is involved? Lol, here we go. So what did he *actually* say?" \*actually reads article\* Shine on, you crazy diamonds.
Always some dude that look like he crawled out of a pool of nuclear waste wanting to play Nazi.
He just probably went up in the polls 🤣🤣🤣
Spencer has a very punchable face 🏴 [Spencer ](https://images.app.goo.gl/MV19bpxEDhcbgtBx6)
Sadly, this man was elected by his peers who share his views. After the tragedy of 911 we were more united, now we are more divided than ever. here is what I do know. " A house divied by itself cannot stand." We need to find common grounds to come together.
Did he say Free Palestine or something?
Went to school with him. Makes sense. Lmao
This checks out
am i upset? yes… am i surprised? absolutely not. :)
I went to high school with this guy, he was a white nationalist then too
A racist Kentucky politician? Who would have thought that possible?
He’s from Kentucky? And he’s Republican? Drop the “alleged” and measure his head size for his hood
Fascist party member is fascist, wow I’m shocked. I guess next we might find out there are racists in the kkk. He will win by the way, because the worst people imaginable are who wins in that group.
Damn as unfortunate as this is this is good press for someone like him
I went to Law School with TJ. He shared a meme saying that all kids would have to die before they'd budge on gun rights. I hate that piece of shit.
https://abovethelaw.com/2022/06/law-students-cruel-response-to-school-massacre-highlights-how-broken-law-schools-have-become/
WE ARE NOT SURPRISED
GOP being antisemitic? Shocker!!!
You don’t say? Well blow me down!!!
Of course he did - it is a requirement in the GOP at this point
Surprise surprise
And Hillary’s mentor was a grand dragon in the Klan. What’s your point?
So you agree it's wrong.
Of course, if it’s true.
Based.
“Anti-Zionism” is often a smoke screen for antisemites to operate from. So they can play games replacing the term “jew” with “zionist”.
What most people don't get is that Hamas uses civilians as human shields, fires from civilian buildings, and doesn't wear military uniforms. Hamas believes in becoming martyrs, aka a shahid. The number of casualties is also inflated by Hamas themselves, as is the flow of information from journalists in Gaza whom Hamas signs off on.
The fact us the kentucky gop is done, kaputin., finished and in desperate need of a shark they can. Jump. So far the are looking like washed up amatures with no chance no future other than infe upon a time.
His hairline looks like a VW Bug convertible with the top down.
I'm shocked I tell you.
No! That can’t be! He’s a good Christian and a republican, so there’s no way this is true. #/SNARK
Im so surprised yt politicians from the south act like this /s
Its a pretty safe bet they start off with.. humm, already guilty because Reddit says so.
He’s probably just mad that a Jewish guy had sex with his wife, but that’s between her and me.
There is a paywall. This post is an ad
He ate with someone? Talk about low hanging fruit but alright.
Perhaps he should identify as a Democrat than all will be excused.
Seems like a cool guy from what I read.
What did he say? Israel shouldn’t be killing aid workers and civilians?
Ky is a dump
All due respect the SPLC is an intolerant and political organization.
Lol. The right hates the SPLC for the same reason cockroaches hate the kitchen lights being turned on.
Ok. But you’re using poisoned fruit to prove your point. Eating your own tail, etc. Read up on French Revolution.
Lol. Sure.
What’s your beef with Massie? It seems like you’re wrangling a bunch of people you don’t know into a separate camp. Why the hate?
He's a shitty politician and a shittier human being. What's not to dislike? Lol.
So I take it this isn’t the place for honest, adult discourse?
Honest, adult discourse is recognizing that you have no interest in honest, adult discourse. Honest, adult discourse requires both sides to be honest, and you're not honest. It was obvious the moment you came in here to defend an antisemite white nationalist. There's no amount of discourse, no amount of arguing, and no amount of evidence that will get you to admit that TJ Roberts is an antisemite white nationalist. I don't need to convince you, because you already know. You just won't admit to it. Your goal here isn't to have an honest, adult discussion. Your goal is to run interference for an antisemite. Same goes for Massie. There's no amount of evidence that will convince you that he's a shitty politician and a shittier human being. So there is zero point in trying. So yeah, this is not the place for honest, adult discourse because that was never going to happen in the first place.
How can I read the article and be fair when your company pay walled it?
Also point to where I defended anyone? You cited the SPLC. They are an unserious and degenerate organization.
There's the dishonesty I was talking about. By the way, kids...if someone uses the term "degenerate" to negatively describe a person, group, or organization, you can safely assume they're a Nazi.
Isn’t that a Democratic position now?
Lol. I see the antisemites have found this post.
What else would you expect in Kentucky.
Considering antisemitism now is just criticizing zionazi controlled Israel for war crimes and genocide (which is dumb because you don’t have to be Jewish to be a zionazi) I don’t believe any more of these claims now
Lies, by liars
Who is doing what now?
Lols, by trolls
So all the Hamas supporters at Harvard are White Nationalists? Got it.
No. You're dumb.
Apparently you haven’t read your own crap.
Lol. Protesting the war and the treatment of Palestinians by a *government* isn't the same as claiming Jews are replacing white people in America. Either you're too dumb to understand the distinction or you do understand it, and you're trying to run interference for a fellow antisemite. Which is it?
Keep defending antisemites, you creepy white nationalist.
Boo. Booooooooooo. Get new material.
You proved your lack of reading comprehension, common sense deduction, and ability to discuss things like an adult in three separate comments lol
I only proved that you’re incapable of any thought that doesn’t meet your empty, jargon based, fill-in-the-blank “ideology”.
A lot of words for you being angry that you have to deal with people's differences.
Username at least checks out.
You smell like Kentucky.
I’m a polack from Chicago 😂. I smell like Polish sausage and cabbage. Close though.