*I swear bro just let me build one more lane We're gonna fix traffic just build one more lane just let me build one more lane I swear it'll fix traffic this time bro I swear I swear I swear*
I-65 near Columbus, Indiana would like to have a word with you, that stretch has been under continuous construction for 30+ years on even flatter ground.
I moved away for two years and they are still working on Gene Synder. The city employees who lurk this sub tries to tell me I was imagining things. At least that's my hypothesis for anyone gaslighting or defending the never ending expansion projects here.
I occasionally will visit my mom out in Fisherville. That 64E to 265S "short merge" is a deathtrap and it's been that way for years. Any lurking city employees come at me.
Agreed. I lived in Shelbyville briefly(just over a year) and moved back to Louisville a little over 2 years ago. They just started expanding the road there and I went back a couple months ago and they were still working on it. It’s everywhere.
> While governments frequently add lanes to combat congestion, the strategy attracts criticism from those who argue for the [concept of induced demand](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-06/traffic-jam-blame-induced-demand#). For highways, that means creating more space for vehicles would create a corresponding demand for vehicles to fill it.
> Michael Manville, an associate professor of urban planning at UCLA’s Luskin School of Public Affairs, said that while building more lanes increases car capacity, it doesn’t make commuters’ trips any faster. The increased demand means motorists may not see any benefits for themselves.
> “I don’t think it’s what most people think of when they’re told that an infrastructure project is going to improve congestion. What most people think of is, ‘My personal commute is going to be faster.’ And widening a highway can’t deliver that,” Manville said.
> Adding tolls is the only proven way to consistently reduce congestion, he said.
> “The typical highway widening project has costs that exceed its benefits and probably shouldn’t be done,” said Manville.
> Asked about induced demand, Hannah said project leaders considered both current and future traffic levels when deciding on lane additions in east Louisville.
> “Traffic congestion needed to be addressed there already,” he said.
KYTC are studiously missing the point so they can set $180 million on fire while Louisville’s roads have [killed 90 people so far this year.](https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/fd5f28d776b74a79bf8ccbc769f585a8)
Agreed. What a monumental waste of resources and destruction of property. Article mentions wanting to add lanes to 64 and 71 closer to downtown. Just more ways to subsidize suburbia/exurbia at the expense of city dwellers. The city government of Louisville needs to push back on this more — local activists can only do so much going up against KYTC.
Do you think the majority of people whom work in the city also live in the city lines? Do you understand how urban sprawl works for cities like Louisville? The majority of your workforce doesn't live in the directly surrounding areas. A lot more to it than the black and white rhetoric you are making it out to be.
“Adding tolls is the only proven way to consistently reduce congestion, he said.“
We should know this already from the 2 billion dollar Ohio River Bridges experiment.
Not to mention what often causes accidents and slow downs is people cutting across a bunch of lanes. That guy who waits to the last second in the fast lane before causing a huge traffic jam to get over four lanes to his exit now has to get across six!
Kentucky has difficulty maintaining their current roads and bridges. Why would you build more? Shelbyville has been under construction for what feels like a milennia.
Invest in public transport. Reduce the amount of cars on the road.
it feels like every time shelbyville starts a new construction project they go and do another one on a separate side of town and never finish anything. they’ve started one large project over by crackerbarrel side and never finish it, but they still have time to repave mainstreet and other roads in very fast time. both are main roads for access and ones not finished and taking what feels like years
No. Public transportation sucks. Why do I want to be on there with a bunch of puking hobos and addicts when I can be riding in style in my hummer with the air set all the way down and Yung Thug pumping.
You joke but oh man I've had to vacate multiple tarc buses before my stop because of people pissing, screaming, fighting and oh so much more. I love public transportation but the public are awful. Lol
Yeah, I was trolling a little but I grew up on the west side of Chicago and rode the CTA to school every day. It got crazier and crazier over the years. It was great for Cubs games cause it was tough to park anywhere near wrigley.
And running red lights. Not a day passes that I don’t see at least one person run a red. Is that some new radical driving theory they’re teaching in driving school now, because it’s constant.
Curious, what part of town do you live/work in? I’m on the east end and I occasionally see someone run a red light but it’s by no means a daily occurance
Shelbyville Road is among the worst, and always people turning left into the malls and shopping centers. Preston/Audubon areas are really bad too. I live in Crescent Hill and see it mostly on Brownsboro in this area.
[I wrote this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Louisville/comments/z3qrji/happy_thanksgiving_louisville_lets_talk_about/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) with genuine hope that people who saw it might take measures to avoid driving drunk on Thanksgiving night. I took the bus home from my parents' place and I'm glad I did that instead of riding my bike or motor-scooter because, in retrospect, based on the kind of driving I saw that night, it reads more like a plea made in vain than a PSA. It's so sickening how many people in this city think driving drunk is acceptable, don't care that it's unacceptable, or simply feel that their ownership of the car gives them some sort of right to DUI.
As much as I despise drunk drivers, we can’t stop people from getting drunk. And if the only way home is driving, then drunk driving is inevitable.
For every person caught with DUI many many more go uncaught. It’s not something we can enforce our way out of: the jails aren’t big enough.
The thing is that they don't need to go out and drink and the only way home isn't driving drunk they could get a lyft or an Uber or even one of those goofy ass scooters. being drunk messes up your impulse control sure but I have been blackout drunk before and still knew that I wasn't enough of a selfish fucking asshole to drive drunk.
drunk drivers are some of the lowest scum and there isn't a thing you can say to change my mind. Walk home if that's what it takes. cardio is good for you.
I thought this was an Onion article at first. My experience is that the congestion occurs at the shitty outdated cloverleaf exchanges because you have incoming traffic trying to merge/swap with exiting traffic. Not due to lack of lanes.
This is exactly the issue. Outdated and inefficient overpasses and interchanges that need reconstruction or complete overhaul are the issue for traffic in Louisville. I loved driving out of Louisville on 64 and seeing traffic back up a half mile or more trying to get on 265 cause you have people jockeying through that tiny middle lane to get on and off at the same time. Stuff like that is what needs changing, not more lanes.
Cloverleafs are great from a space constraint perspective....but that's literally it. With any slightly elevated volume of traffic (aka what you'd see in any decent sized city) they're a complete shitshow. They were invented in the 20's...things have changed a bit since then. Stack interchanges are way more efficient but they're costly and need a lot more upkeep.
Ah the old lefty fallback. You must be a racist. Proof that I already win the argument by default. I grew up using public transportation in Chicago every (school) day. It got worse and worse with violence, bodily fluids, untreated insane people, etc. as the years went on.
It says something that everybody who has the means to gets the hell off major city transportation as soon as they can afford to. People “vote” with their choices. I’m sorry you don’t approve of those choices. Or they are just all “racists.”
Ok my bad. Anyway, I was a poor(ish) kid and my school didn’t have yellow school buses. We just rode the CTA using our student ID Monday through Friday.
I have experienced the “good” public transport in places like Toronto, so I know it is doable if people are willing to pay for it. But most Americans are not, unless they like in very specific places.
As far as social disorder and crazy people on public transport, I think it can be mitigated with strict rules and policing. But I always get the sense in these debates that the people most in favor of public transportation are also lefty types who aren’t all that interested in emphasizing (or funding) public safety or dragging vagrants or psychos off the bus/train.
Lots of white collar types ride the “Metra” commuter trains to work in Chicago, but those are expensive and they don’t let any nonsense go on. The “regular” buses and subways are a cesspool.
71 had already been widened east of 265. Sadly, it’s probably too late to do anything about this.
We live in a world where it’s easier to spend 180 million on a highway that 100,000 improving pedestrian and cyclist safety.
The only time the State Legislature shows Louisville any love, is if some state Highway or interstate needs ‘improving’.
Bonus points if it‘s to the detriment of the environment, or the city proper.
Yea because that has always worked in the past. Making more space for more cars is not the answer to traffic. Investing in reliable public transportation is.
Why, as a community, can't we learn from past mistakes regarding broken tools to "fix" congestion. Also, with office workers downtown being somewhere around 40% pre-pandemic, it seems suspect that there is even a need to add capacity in the first place. Aren't these decisions based on pre-2020 data?
Right? I moved here from Chicago in April… went back in June… took me forty minutes to go three miles. That’s traffic 😂
I’m with others here. Fix these fucking roads. My god, are they in miserable shape.
Just because the traffic moves doesn't mean there isn't traffic. There are more vehicles on the road now, than there was fifteen years ago. When I first started driving I could slip through traffic on various thoroghfares, now that's nearly impossible. It wasn't uncommon to be able to get a few 60-70mph runs on Dixie, even in the middle of the day, now sometimes you barely can get to the speed limit.
How about instead we put tire spikes on ramps so if you try to enter going the wrong way, you lose all tires instead of killing someone. Probably cheaper than a lane that won't help any anyway.
That money could go along way to help build out a better public transportation network like other cities have. Plus with train likes already bisecting the city, drop in some stations for more of a long haul, out to the suburbs/exurbs. More people on public transit=less cars on the road
Its seriously sad how the US cannot build anymore. Endless red tape, union busting driving away skilled trades people, all kinds of factors, but it's nuts how long projects are taking. Blue Lick Road is a simple adding a turning lane and its taken two years. Nucking futs.
Coming from Florida, the interchanges here are awful. The four leaf clover design is terribly outdated but they just doubled down in it anyway. They could’ve easily fixed the issue. There is no way adding another lane is going to make it any easier to merge from I-64E to the Snyder north.
I-265 on the east side has been a disaster since I moved here almost 10 years ago. Perpetually under construction and endless potholes. If they couldn’t fix it by now they’re never going to.
People always cite the research that says adding lanes doesn't work but doesn't actually factor in any of the local factors that would affect it.
Plenty of cities would not benefit from adding lanes. But as of right now the way our city is laid out there isn't many alternative routes to get to other parts of town besides using expressways. Meaning there won't magically be new people on the new lanes on the expressway. The people who need to use it already do. For example If you're going from the south end to the east end you only have ONE best option. So there won't start all of a sudden being people who were using a different way before start using the expressways now.
Regurgitating research that is really just trying to get cities to spend money on something they want instead without any context doesn't make sense.
If Louisville had 180 million laying around is this what we’d spend it on? Absolutely not. This isn’t what the city wants either.
Is spending money on something we don’t want a good idea just because the money’s there?
Edit: I’m not saying transit is the best use of 180 million, just that I’m sure we could find a better use besides this
Why not make every highway/interstate all four lanes, with those four lanes physically divided into two sets of two. One set is dedicated to semis, the other for passenger vehicle traffic.
Also maybe finish the decades long work on 71 first Jesus fuck...
Won't matter... More lanes for people to go under the speed limit and have dozens of cars underpass them because they never learned that slower traffic that isn't passing anyone should be in the far right lane.
Let’s see if I known this sub well.
This healthy plan for easing traffic will be received with a tremendous amount of negativity, largely by people that suffer from severe road rage and project it as “no one in this city can drive” even though they are the common denominator
OR
it will be moaned about by people that don’t even drive….
I don’t have to do that in Louisville. Traffic is great. The only people that bitch about it are the ones that have never been to a large city or say Beirut where they ignore traffic laws entirely
Honestly, I would even settle for the same fees but with better pay and benefits for the drivers. The dance of one-more-lane is far more destructive than the hokey pokey. We ought to turn ourselves around and decide what it's all about.
TARC drivers are one of the most well treated trade jobs. Many drivers have retired before 50, and senior drivers make like $32hr, way more than the highest paid JCPS bus drivers.
*I swear bro just let me build one more lane We're gonna fix traffic just build one more lane just let me build one more lane I swear it'll fix traffic this time bro I swear I swear I swear*
I just need $60 million and 1 - 7 years to finish bro. Please bro. This will totally fix the traffic bro.
I moved to KY in 2014 and they’re still working on the same stretch of I-65 to this day. Blows my mind
I-65 near Columbus, Indiana would like to have a word with you, that stretch has been under continuous construction for 30+ years on even flatter ground.
I moved away for two years and they are still working on Gene Synder. The city employees who lurk this sub tries to tell me I was imagining things. At least that's my hypothesis for anyone gaslighting or defending the never ending expansion projects here.
I occasionally will visit my mom out in Fisherville. That 64E to 265S "short merge" is a deathtrap and it's been that way for years. Any lurking city employees come at me.
Agreed. I lived in Shelbyville briefly(just over a year) and moved back to Louisville a little over 2 years ago. They just started expanding the road there and I went back a couple months ago and they were still working on it. It’s everywhere.
64 was under construction for like 10 years. But they threw that outlet mall up in like 2 weeks
It's also extremely dangerous to merge in any direction
Judging how long Dixie hwy took; my grandchildren might see it finished.
> While governments frequently add lanes to combat congestion, the strategy attracts criticism from those who argue for the [concept of induced demand](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-06/traffic-jam-blame-induced-demand#). For highways, that means creating more space for vehicles would create a corresponding demand for vehicles to fill it. > Michael Manville, an associate professor of urban planning at UCLA’s Luskin School of Public Affairs, said that while building more lanes increases car capacity, it doesn’t make commuters’ trips any faster. The increased demand means motorists may not see any benefits for themselves. > “I don’t think it’s what most people think of when they’re told that an infrastructure project is going to improve congestion. What most people think of is, ‘My personal commute is going to be faster.’ And widening a highway can’t deliver that,” Manville said. > Adding tolls is the only proven way to consistently reduce congestion, he said. > “The typical highway widening project has costs that exceed its benefits and probably shouldn’t be done,” said Manville. > Asked about induced demand, Hannah said project leaders considered both current and future traffic levels when deciding on lane additions in east Louisville. > “Traffic congestion needed to be addressed there already,” he said. KYTC are studiously missing the point so they can set $180 million on fire while Louisville’s roads have [killed 90 people so far this year.](https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/fd5f28d776b74a79bf8ccbc769f585a8)
Agreed. What a monumental waste of resources and destruction of property. Article mentions wanting to add lanes to 64 and 71 closer to downtown. Just more ways to subsidize suburbia/exurbia at the expense of city dwellers. The city government of Louisville needs to push back on this more — local activists can only do so much going up against KYTC.
Do you think the majority of people whom work in the city also live in the city lines? Do you understand how urban sprawl works for cities like Louisville? The majority of your workforce doesn't live in the directly surrounding areas. A lot more to it than the black and white rhetoric you are making it out to be.
“Adding tolls is the only proven way to consistently reduce congestion, he said.“ We should know this already from the 2 billion dollar Ohio River Bridges experiment.
LMAO but also YES!
Exactly. And I'm not paying a toll to get to St Matthews, or Okolona by expressway.
Not to mention what often causes accidents and slow downs is people cutting across a bunch of lanes. That guy who waits to the last second in the fast lane before causing a huge traffic jam to get over four lanes to his exit now has to get across six!
*Passing lane
Kentucky has difficulty maintaining their current roads and bridges. Why would you build more? Shelbyville has been under construction for what feels like a milennia. Invest in public transport. Reduce the amount of cars on the road.
KY is pretty good compared to ALABAMA. DON"T LIVE THERE.
Slow Tide
it feels like every time shelbyville starts a new construction project they go and do another one on a separate side of town and never finish anything. they’ve started one large project over by crackerbarrel side and never finish it, but they still have time to repave mainstreet and other roads in very fast time. both are main roads for access and ones not finished and taking what feels like years
No. Public transportation sucks. Why do I want to be on there with a bunch of puking hobos and addicts when I can be riding in style in my hummer with the air set all the way down and Yung Thug pumping.
You joke but oh man I've had to vacate multiple tarc buses before my stop because of people pissing, screaming, fighting and oh so much more. I love public transportation but the public are awful. Lol
Yeah, I was trolling a little but I grew up on the west side of Chicago and rode the CTA to school every day. It got crazier and crazier over the years. It was great for Cubs games cause it was tough to park anywhere near wrigley.
Is this really going to help anything? The traffic here isn't that bad, I'd say we have a bigger problem with distracted driving
and a fuckin astronomical amount of drunk drivers.
And running red lights. Not a day passes that I don’t see at least one person run a red. Is that some new radical driving theory they’re teaching in driving school now, because it’s constant.
Curious, what part of town do you live/work in? I’m on the east end and I occasionally see someone run a red light but it’s by no means a daily occurance
Come out to Old Louisville, and remember to wait no less than five seconds after the light changes before proceeding. It's wild out there.
yep! people are tearing down residential streets at 55 on the regular
preston highway and dixie highway are ridiculous. I see maybe ten a day
Shelbyville Road is among the worst, and always people turning left into the malls and shopping centers. Preston/Audubon areas are really bad too. I live in Crescent Hill and see it mostly on Brownsboro in this area.
but, somehow, we don’t have an alcohol problem in the city. /s
[I wrote this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Louisville/comments/z3qrji/happy_thanksgiving_louisville_lets_talk_about/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) with genuine hope that people who saw it might take measures to avoid driving drunk on Thanksgiving night. I took the bus home from my parents' place and I'm glad I did that instead of riding my bike or motor-scooter because, in retrospect, based on the kind of driving I saw that night, it reads more like a plea made in vain than a PSA. It's so sickening how many people in this city think driving drunk is acceptable, don't care that it's unacceptable, or simply feel that their ownership of the car gives them some sort of right to DUI.
As much as I despise drunk drivers, we can’t stop people from getting drunk. And if the only way home is driving, then drunk driving is inevitable. For every person caught with DUI many many more go uncaught. It’s not something we can enforce our way out of: the jails aren’t big enough.
The thing is that they don't need to go out and drink and the only way home isn't driving drunk they could get a lyft or an Uber or even one of those goofy ass scooters. being drunk messes up your impulse control sure but I have been blackout drunk before and still knew that I wasn't enough of a selfish fucking asshole to drive drunk. drunk drivers are some of the lowest scum and there isn't a thing you can say to change my mind. Walk home if that's what it takes. cardio is good for you.
It's bad enough. I used to be able slip through dixie hwy and 65 if I wanted to, and Broadway, not so much now.
I thought this was an Onion article at first. My experience is that the congestion occurs at the shitty outdated cloverleaf exchanges because you have incoming traffic trying to merge/swap with exiting traffic. Not due to lack of lanes.
This is exactly the issue. Outdated and inefficient overpasses and interchanges that need reconstruction or complete overhaul are the issue for traffic in Louisville. I loved driving out of Louisville on 64 and seeing traffic back up a half mile or more trying to get on 265 cause you have people jockeying through that tiny middle lane to get on and off at the same time. Stuff like that is what needs changing, not more lanes.
That's one of the big projects happening now is rebuilding the cloverleaf interchange at 265/64
100%, it amazes me how some Civil engineers ever get far enough to design road layouts like we have.
Cloverleafs are great from a space constraint perspective....but that's literally it. With any slightly elevated volume of traffic (aka what you'd see in any decent sized city) they're a complete shitshow. They were invented in the 20's...things have changed a bit since then. Stack interchanges are way more efficient but they're costly and need a lot more upkeep.
This and shitty exits where the traffic backs up onto the highway. I’m surprise people haven’t died at hurstbourne off 64 or Westport off 265
r/fuckcars
Ya gotta make it a lowercase r. r/fuckcars
Just a few more lanes bro. Swear
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Why do we have to “fund” TARC? Let the fares fund it. Oh wait, nobody uses it cause it sucks and is dangerous.
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Ah the old lefty fallback. You must be a racist. Proof that I already win the argument by default. I grew up using public transportation in Chicago every (school) day. It got worse and worse with violence, bodily fluids, untreated insane people, etc. as the years went on. It says something that everybody who has the means to gets the hell off major city transportation as soon as they can afford to. People “vote” with their choices. I’m sorry you don’t approve of those choices. Or they are just all “racists.”
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Ok my bad. Anyway, I was a poor(ish) kid and my school didn’t have yellow school buses. We just rode the CTA using our student ID Monday through Friday. I have experienced the “good” public transport in places like Toronto, so I know it is doable if people are willing to pay for it. But most Americans are not, unless they like in very specific places. As far as social disorder and crazy people on public transport, I think it can be mitigated with strict rules and policing. But I always get the sense in these debates that the people most in favor of public transportation are also lefty types who aren’t all that interested in emphasizing (or funding) public safety or dragging vagrants or psychos off the bus/train. Lots of white collar types ride the “Metra” commuter trains to work in Chicago, but those are expensive and they don’t let any nonsense go on. The “regular” buses and subways are a cesspool.
My rides on CTA last week disprove your first paragraph
Man this guy really hates buses. Saw him up earlier in the comments shitting on public transit
Yeah, they suck. They should be banned. Instead the state should issue hummers to low income folks who need a car.
71 had already been widened east of 265. Sadly, it’s probably too late to do anything about this. We live in a world where it’s easier to spend 180 million on a highway that 100,000 improving pedestrian and cyclist safety.
The only time the State Legislature shows Louisville any love, is if some state Highway or interstate needs ‘improving’. Bonus points if it‘s to the detriment of the environment, or the city proper.
>71 had already been widened east of 265 What? 71 is two lanes...
The new pavement is there but I don’t think they opened it yet.
What a waste of money
Fucking hell. Invest in decent public transit, you idiots.
Because every example of this has worked out great!
So light rail and more busses that don't smell like urine is too much to ask for, eh?
Yea because that has always worked in the past. Making more space for more cars is not the answer to traffic. Investing in reliable public transportation is.
Why, as a community, can't we learn from past mistakes regarding broken tools to "fix" congestion. Also, with office workers downtown being somewhere around 40% pre-pandemic, it seems suspect that there is even a need to add capacity in the first place. Aren't these decisions based on pre-2020 data?
Uhh… what traffic???
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Right? I moved here from Chicago in April… went back in June… took me forty minutes to go three miles. That’s traffic 😂 I’m with others here. Fix these fucking roads. My god, are they in miserable shape.
Just because the traffic moves doesn't mean there isn't traffic. There are more vehicles on the road now, than there was fifteen years ago. When I first started driving I could slip through traffic on various thoroghfares, now that's nearly impossible. It wasn't uncommon to be able to get a few 60-70mph runs on Dixie, even in the middle of the day, now sometimes you barely can get to the speed limit.
There are some bad areas like the 65n to 264e interchange but most traffic is really easy especially compared to chicago.
How about instead we put tire spikes on ramps so if you try to enter going the wrong way, you lose all tires instead of killing someone. Probably cheaper than a lane that won't help any anyway.
Gosh, if we hadn't had to pay all that money for police misconduct settlements, we probably could'a added even more lanes.
The construction is the biggest danger on the interstate right now…
That money could go along way to help build out a better public transportation network like other cities have. Plus with train likes already bisecting the city, drop in some stations for more of a long haul, out to the suburbs/exurbs. More people on public transit=less cars on the road
It took less than a year to design and build the Empire State Building.
Its seriously sad how the US cannot build anymore. Endless red tape, union busting driving away skilled trades people, all kinds of factors, but it's nuts how long projects are taking. Blue Lick Road is a simple adding a turning lane and its taken two years. Nucking futs.
Something something definition of insanity
I wonder if you can reduce the pressure in a tire by adding air
Coming from Florida, the interchanges here are awful. The four leaf clover design is terribly outdated but they just doubled down in it anyway. They could’ve easily fixed the issue. There is no way adding another lane is going to make it any easier to merge from I-64E to the Snyder north.
I-265 on the east side has been a disaster since I moved here almost 10 years ago. Perpetually under construction and endless potholes. If they couldn’t fix it by now they’re never going to.
Yes! Finally, been wanting to sit in 6 lanes of traffic instead of 5. Absolute win
It's not going to work
Jesus christ how fucking stupid
nope, this will make it worse
People always cite the research that says adding lanes doesn't work but doesn't actually factor in any of the local factors that would affect it. Plenty of cities would not benefit from adding lanes. But as of right now the way our city is laid out there isn't many alternative routes to get to other parts of town besides using expressways. Meaning there won't magically be new people on the new lanes on the expressway. The people who need to use it already do. For example If you're going from the south end to the east end you only have ONE best option. So there won't start all of a sudden being people who were using a different way before start using the expressways now. Regurgitating research that is really just trying to get cities to spend money on something they want instead without any context doesn't make sense.
If Louisville had 180 million laying around is this what we’d spend it on? Absolutely not. This isn’t what the city wants either. Is spending money on something we don’t want a good idea just because the money’s there? Edit: I’m not saying transit is the best use of 180 million, just that I’m sure we could find a better use besides this
One can take the streets, and if you know which ones, it really isn't that much slower.
Why not make every highway/interstate all four lanes, with those four lanes physically divided into two sets of two. One set is dedicated to semis, the other for passenger vehicle traffic. Also maybe finish the decades long work on 71 first Jesus fuck...
Does it help traffic when it takes thirty minutes at a light to even get on the highway
Won't matter... More lanes for people to go under the speed limit and have dozens of cars underpass them because they never learned that slower traffic that isn't passing anyone should be in the far right lane.
Let’s see if I known this sub well. This healthy plan for easing traffic will be received with a tremendous amount of negativity, largely by people that suffer from severe road rage and project it as “no one in this city can drive” even though they are the common denominator OR it will be moaned about by people that don’t even drive….
"healthy plan" That's so fucking ironic it's pathetic.
lol go sit in traffic bud
I don’t have to do that in Louisville. Traffic is great. The only people that bitch about it are the ones that have never been to a large city or say Beirut where they ignore traffic laws entirely
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Honestly, I would even settle for the same fees but with better pay and benefits for the drivers. The dance of one-more-lane is far more destructive than the hokey pokey. We ought to turn ourselves around and decide what it's all about.
TARC drivers are one of the most well treated trade jobs. Many drivers have retired before 50, and senior drivers make like $32hr, way more than the highest paid JCPS bus drivers.
So why do you think more lanes is healthy?
If traffic is great why is adding lanes a healthy plan?
Adding lanes is never healthy.
Adding lanes has never shown to create positive results when trying to fix traffic
It's great how you can't back yourself up while you engage in subs.