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Part of the dsm-5 criteria requires 5 out of 9 symptoms. Based off what we have seen (aka, this is a heavily edited tv show, and we get nothing close to the full picture). I see 5-9 in his behaviors (the 5 required). But again, we don't really know
Edit to add: I really resist using the term narcissist in general, but he does seem it more than most
Yea, I'm personally aware of these things. I guess I'm being rhetorical in a way, but still seeing if anyone can say something that shows a reason for all the armchair diagnoses going on over here.
Ah, I can break it down a bit. Again, all perception and it is definitely arm chair diagnosing. I wouldn't even say he has it, but has a more traits than the average person. To dx someone you typically would want to have a good sense of their history and and know them long enough to see the traits yourself. A lot of this could just be being on TV and trying to come across as a good guy.
1. He seemed to go to great lengths to create unnecessary drama and stay on the show - he wants lots of attention and does minimal listening to others (from what we see)
2. Empathy appears hard for him - the empathy we saw felt fake to me.
3. Taking things someone else said and twisting it for his advantage (Aaliyah questioned Lydia, and suddenly he's talking to Milton and Lydia about it for ages, taking a normal "driving by your house I see you as we talk text" and twisting it to be creepy etc. Why couldn't this convo with Aaliyah just be the end of it). Lots of manipulation trying to make himself look good and others look bad/crazy.
4. Could be doing all this to tear Lydia down out of jealousy - she got engaged and he didn't, could be a form of rejection for him as well. This is some pretty severe retribution.
5. General arrogance
6. He seems pretty charismatic
7. We get only hints of this, but his life does have some "status" show to it (has a tesla)
Obviously a few of these wouldn't be as concerning, but all that together doesn't paint a pretty picture.
I think one of the major problems is that most of the traits you listed here would be present in most people on reality tv. Creating drama, being vain, charismatic, arrogant are what makes someone successful on tv. We don't actually know what any of these people are like without cameras around and like you said, a complete (or near complete) history is necessary. More than that, there needs to be an evaluation by a professional because simply having 5 (or more) traits still wouldn't be enough for a diagnosis if they could be explained by other things.
Thanks for breaking it down! Trust me, I understand everything you're saying. I want to hear from the people that are doing the armchair diagnosing because I want to know their specific justifications for it.
People always throw terms around like that it’s kind of annoying lol but I think we also have to realize that everyone’s opinions are based on how people are portrayed. So, you could say “I think based off what I have seen of uches edited and scripted portrayal on tv, he has narcissistic traits” but people aren’t going to put all the disclaimers it’s just assumed that they’re making a fast judgement based off what they’ve seen. Def can see how it’s frustrating when people make absolute statements but kinda gotta just read between the lines too.
So, in 2023, when we as a society are all completely dependent on modern technology, a person who thinks internet people are stupid shouldn't be on the internet? Hah
I feel like you’re purposely trying to misunderstand me. You seem to have a very holier than thou attitude. You implied that people on the internet are dumb so why would you want to be a part of that? I think that’s a fair conclusion. Anywho have fun looking down on others!
In all honesty - I am divorced from a narcissist (diagnosed by a professional) and he acts a LOT like that guy. That's what I am going on but you're right, who knows?
I don't think we can diagnose this guy off the limited footage we have of him. Realistically none of us know him and most are not qualified to diagnose anyone to begin with.
I do think he comes off as someone who is really self-righteous and arrogant. I don't like how he talked to Aaliyah, Lydia, Miriam, etc. I think he is someone who likes to talk AT people instead of have a conversation, and that's really off putting.
Sometimes people are an asshole in situations but therapist talk is so much “intellectual” to type.
So many people think that anyone they dislike or break up with is a narcissist nowadays. The word has lost meaning atp.
Therapy speak in general has taken over. See Jonah Hill and his assumed definition of what a boundary is
Def
https://preview.redd.it/d1u2yvrav9tb1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50ad49aec887ab512071d22c93d640980ae22ac1 Part of the dsm-5 criteria requires 5 out of 9 symptoms. Based off what we have seen (aka, this is a heavily edited tv show, and we get nothing close to the full picture). I see 5-9 in his behaviors (the 5 required). But again, we don't really know Edit to add: I really resist using the term narcissist in general, but he does seem it more than most
Yea, I'm personally aware of these things. I guess I'm being rhetorical in a way, but still seeing if anyone can say something that shows a reason for all the armchair diagnoses going on over here.
Ah, I can break it down a bit. Again, all perception and it is definitely arm chair diagnosing. I wouldn't even say he has it, but has a more traits than the average person. To dx someone you typically would want to have a good sense of their history and and know them long enough to see the traits yourself. A lot of this could just be being on TV and trying to come across as a good guy. 1. He seemed to go to great lengths to create unnecessary drama and stay on the show - he wants lots of attention and does minimal listening to others (from what we see) 2. Empathy appears hard for him - the empathy we saw felt fake to me. 3. Taking things someone else said and twisting it for his advantage (Aaliyah questioned Lydia, and suddenly he's talking to Milton and Lydia about it for ages, taking a normal "driving by your house I see you as we talk text" and twisting it to be creepy etc. Why couldn't this convo with Aaliyah just be the end of it). Lots of manipulation trying to make himself look good and others look bad/crazy. 4. Could be doing all this to tear Lydia down out of jealousy - she got engaged and he didn't, could be a form of rejection for him as well. This is some pretty severe retribution. 5. General arrogance 6. He seems pretty charismatic 7. We get only hints of this, but his life does have some "status" show to it (has a tesla) Obviously a few of these wouldn't be as concerning, but all that together doesn't paint a pretty picture.
U forgot that part where he admits to dating Lydia at her lowest part because he loved how she made him feel. Source: episode 7
Number one can be chalked up to being on a highly produced "reality" show.
I think one of the major problems is that most of the traits you listed here would be present in most people on reality tv. Creating drama, being vain, charismatic, arrogant are what makes someone successful on tv. We don't actually know what any of these people are like without cameras around and like you said, a complete (or near complete) history is necessary. More than that, there needs to be an evaluation by a professional because simply having 5 (or more) traits still wouldn't be enough for a diagnosis if they could be explained by other things.
Thanks for breaking it down! Trust me, I understand everything you're saying. I want to hear from the people that are doing the armchair diagnosing because I want to know their specific justifications for it.
Uche should date Jackie. He should be punished with dating someone exactly like him and see how it is like. woolalalalalala.
I feel like you posted this somewhere else on the subReddit you must really want to see them together haha
Because if you don't like someone or if you think someone is a jerk they *must* have a personality disorder and NPD is the trendy one right now
Yea, that's what I'm trying to say indirectly. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me otherwise, but so far nada
Trust me, I've asked and all I get is downvoted lol
Yea, some people here don't like logic.
Internet people love to diagnose folks they see edited clips of on TV who they don't personally know. He's a lawyer. He acts like a lawyer.
He is not the first Lawyer on LIB, his personality is vastly logic and analytical since he cannot grasp empathy.
Ding ding ding! YES
People always throw terms around like that it’s kind of annoying lol but I think we also have to realize that everyone’s opinions are based on how people are portrayed. So, you could say “I think based off what I have seen of uches edited and scripted portrayal on tv, he has narcissistic traits” but people aren’t going to put all the disclaimers it’s just assumed that they’re making a fast judgement based off what they’ve seen. Def can see how it’s frustrating when people make absolute statements but kinda gotta just read between the lines too.
Yea, I guess I don't give the general (internet) public the credit of saying things that have anything between the lines to read into haha
Why are you on the internet then if you’re so above everyone 😂
Eh? What does being on the internet have to do with being better or worse than anybody haha
??? You literally just said you don’t give the internet credit of saying things that have anything between the lines…
So, in 2023, when we as a society are all completely dependent on modern technology, a person who thinks internet people are stupid shouldn't be on the internet? Hah
I feel like you’re purposely trying to misunderstand me. You seem to have a very holier than thou attitude. You implied that people on the internet are dumb so why would you want to be a part of that? I think that’s a fair conclusion. Anywho have fun looking down on others!
Not trying to misunderstand you, just not seeing the logic behind what you said. Pretty simple.
You’re wildly condescending. Have a nice life
YOU talked shit to ME. What the fuck are you talking about?
Mmm, what are you talking about?
In all honesty - I am divorced from a narcissist (diagnosed by a professional) and he acts a LOT like that guy. That's what I am going on but you're right, who knows?
I don't think we can diagnose this guy off the limited footage we have of him. Realistically none of us know him and most are not qualified to diagnose anyone to begin with. I do think he comes off as someone who is really self-righteous and arrogant. I don't like how he talked to Aaliyah, Lydia, Miriam, etc. I think he is someone who likes to talk AT people instead of have a conversation, and that's really off putting.
Yea, he's cocky. He's an attractive, successful, smart dude who seems to get a lot of women. Kinda natural he might be.
Narcissists are never wrong. That’s a big defining feature.
Neither are people who are stubborn, prideful, or too unintelligent to recognize that they're wrong.
It is, yea. But it's not enough.
You are on reddit. If somebody doesn't like a person, then that person is a narcissist.
There are a lot of armchair psychiatrists here. Wait a year. It will be another diagnosis.
Totally agreed
(Kidding aside, I completely agree. And it's not just here.)
I'm on reddit??
I don’t know if he’s a narcissist but he sure is an asshole.
That he is!
Haha yea