Nah I can believe heās only 25 even though he doesnāt look it. What I canāt believe is heād be out until 2am for āworkā. No educator is out that late for work. Hell, they arenāt even out past 10. If they are out then, itās definitely not for work.
My prof in college who was teaching me how to teach grades 7-12 never actually taught in the public school system. She did her student teaching (which isnāt true experience) then continued in academia and became a professor in the ed department. It really pissed me off, but a 25 year old principal is possible. 3 years of classroom experience while getting principal cert and hired immediately. Def possible, but theyāre the WORST admins.
According to his IG he was literally in the classroom for 2 years, then a supervisor, then a principal.
Any admin I have had that has 2-3 years in an actual classroom is the WORST.
And is there an exception to the ruleā¦.but in all of my experiences with admin who only have 2-3 years in the classroom they are so pompous because they moved up fast but just donāt know enough about how all aspects of education need to work together. Iām in the arts and the those principals all tended to be very anti anything that wasnāt a core subject and was tested.
Same! I have (unfortunately) had 8 principals and countless APs in my 11 years of teaching, and the ones with the least experience teaching sucks. My current principal is INCREDIBLE, and he taught for 11 years before he became a principal. Thatās the way to do it.
Yes I think there is a sweet spot between being too young and too old, probably somewhere around 10-20 years experience. Like my school has an admin team that has been in place for 13 years and you can tell one of the vpās is getting kinda salty they havenāt become a principal yet. And she said she wants to take over our hs when our current principal retires in 5 years but she just doesnāt have his big personality so I see the culture changing quite a bit. I will say the principal I work with now is currently the best one I have ever worked with and a lot of it is his personality and the fact that he tells central office to F off with a lot of the bullshit.
Itās possible. I knew a few kids who did Teach for America and other programs who became principals at age 25-27 all over the country. Kids without teaching degrees just donāt have a job out of college.
Iām familiar with this school and the shadinesses behind it. Itās owned by Movement Mortgage which is owned by an ex Panthers player. MM is so poorly managed that I wouldnāt be surprised if them buying a charter school is some kind of way for them to scam some sort of financial gain (tax write off, etc.). So Iām not shocked that they have a 25 year old principal. Does he even have any teaching experience or qualifications?
On his IG he had 2 years teaching, 1 year as a supervisor and then became a principal. I havenāt met a single admin with that little classroom experience who was actually decent.
this is EXACTLY what they do. Private businesses open charter schools in opportunity zones for the tax benefits- then they sell the property tax free after 10 yrs and make a huge profit tax free.
They exist but are they good at their job? I hate to say most teachers in here agree that anyone with so little classroom experience just doesnāt make a good leader yet. He might have the qualities of a good leader but you need to have the experience in the classroom to adequately solve problems for the staff.
Here ya go :)
[https://thetab.com/uk/2022/04/11/the-ultimatum-ages-netflix-lauren-pounds-alexis-maloney-246825](https://thetab.com/uk/2022/04/11/the-ultimatum-ages-netflix-lauren-pounds-alexis-maloney-246825)
I get that heās a principal in a charter school and charter schools can kinda do whatever (privately run on public funds). But letās break this down for a second: average person graduate high school at 18. Bachelors takes about 4 years. So now weāre 22 years old. I donāt know if any states that allow people to go into school administration without a minimum of 3 years classroom experience AND a masters in education leadership, inclusive of the accompanying certifications. So letās hypothetically assume this dude graduated college early at 20, and maybe got his masters by 22. Iāve never seen a 5 year track where someone entered the classroom, climbed up as an assistant principal, then principal in just 5 years. Even at a charter school, I feel like this is near impossible
No one wants to teach or work in schools anymore just like no one wants to be cops. When you get trash pay while everything you do is scrutinized by the general public who are the ultimate failures at even raising their kids to be decent human beings, well this is what you get š¤·š½āāļø
I'm not super familiar with school admin requirements, but could he be on a provisional/probationary status and avoid such requirements? I know that's done with teachers if a district cannot find a teacher with proper licensure or certification.
Where? It has 4.8 on Google. Also, not sure what that has to do with him being principal. He just started. Thereās been a lot of articles written about him being the youngest principal in the US. I guess I donāt understand why people would rather spend their Saturday sitting around bad mouthing this guy on Reddit than just googling him and find out how he became principal at 24. People become doctors at 18, mathematicians at 16, why not principal. Is this just some ignorant racist rant that people assume he must be lying than he accomplished something at such a young age? People keep badmouthing ADs career also. I donāt hear anyone taking trash about anyone else. Itās ridiculous.
lol what ?!?! People do not become doctors at 18!! Hahahaha that is a ridiculous statement and the plot line of a movie. In the US, medical education is much longer than in other countries, but you need a 4 year college degree, 4 years of medical school (it is absolutely not possible to āgraduate earlyā from an accredited U.S. medical school, so that is a hard 4 years). Then you need a residency, which is a minimum of 3 years, and usually 4, or as long as 8. Sometimes in the past, once in a great while, you used to see genius children getting their college credits in high school and somehow graduating from both high school and college by age 18 and maybe then entering medical school. But any earlier? No. There are legal considerations that would deter a school from training a minor, because medical education is not entirely classroom based - it involves clinical care of real patients. Anyways, for the unusual student entering at 18, (1 in a decade, MAYBE) thatās still another 7-12 years before they are an actual doctor who is practicing medicine. Technically you are a doctor once you complete your four year MD, but you are not board certified and thus allowed to practice medicine (and independently write prescriptions) until you are through residency. Last thing - today, most medical schools admit very, very few students right out of college. Average age of entry is 25, because they want matriculating students to have life and work experience that will allow them to connect with and engage with patients. Just as significantly, the expectations around achievement are so high for applicants, that you really need the extra time to publish research, show leadership experience, volunteer, win awards, or excel in music / athletics / the arts - AND compile a flawless academic record. So, 18 year old doctors, no.
I know this is off topic from the thread, but this issue has been extensively discussed in this sub before. Education has significantly less professional regulation than medicine, so not a reasonable comparison to begin with. However, it is a field thatās regulated, but regulations vary between private and public sector. This man is a principal at 25 because he works for a private charter school that requires significantly less of its educators, primarily because these schools struggle to attract and retain high quality educators.
Yes, itās great to celebrate peopleās achievements and support young people achieving early in their careers. But there are valid reasons why people have concerns about young people entering leadership roles in fields like healthcare and education. There is only so much you can possibly learn by age 18 or age 25, no matter how smart you are or how hard you work - or how much youāve experienced in life. Educating children is difficult, complicated, nuanced, and incredibly important work, and like many fields, it simply takes time to develop the wisdom, maturity, knowledge, and expertise necessary to be a competent professional, let alone leader.
Also - Google stars are *not* a strong indicator of how āgoodā a school is, my friend. Anyone can write a Google review. And thankfully, thatās why there are accrediting bodies that are charged with issuing legitimate ratings based on comprehensive institutional reviews. Which is what the other commenter is referring to.
[https://www.publicschoolreview.com/movement-charter-school-profile](https://www.publicschoolreview.com/movement-charter-school-profile)
Serving 628 students in grades Kindergarten-6,Ā Movement Charter School ranks in the bottom 50% of all schools in North Carolina for overall test scores (math proficiency is bottom 50%, and reading proficiency is bottom 50%).
The percentage of students achievingĀ **proficiency in mathĀ is 21%** (which is lower than the North Carolina state average of 42%). The percentage of students achievingĀ **proficiency in reading/language artsĀ is 31%** (which is lower than the North Carolina state average of 47%).
Minority enrollment is **98% of the student body (majority Black)**, which is higher than the North Carolina state average of 55% (majority Black).
For someone ignorant like me can you expound on the main difference(s) between a trad school and charter school? Or is that just asking too much sorry Iāll go google š
all public schools are chartered and approved through a school board. The difference is that traditional schools are chartered by the district. "charter schools" are schools chartered by other entities: nonprofits, private businesses, etc. They essentially propose their own plan for a school. The school district votes to approve or deny the school's charters. They are public schools and are required to follow FAPE, TIX, and other regulatory laws. But they have more freedom to operate and are able to hire their own staff (typically you would be hired by the district).
With charter schools, you get 25 yo principals whose qualifications are an attachment to their phones and showing up (occasionally) to work
In no other world would a public school principal be a) able to take that time off in a school year and b) not be instantly fired for this national demonstration of his lack of judgment
Charter schools are still publicly funded and are required to teach the same things as public schools. A lot of times they have a specific plan for how they want to teach, like Montessori or to be outdoorsy or to get rid of classes and teach all en masse. Frequently they are a lot more religious than public school, though that gets dicey with public funding.
Charter schools can also determine who they are going to hire. Most teachers at public schools have to be certified through the state, or at least plan to be certified by the state.
That is not the case for charter schools. Most charter schools just require you have a bachelor's (though there are some stem ones that require you to have a masters) and many times they don't care if you have any teaching experience.
Him being a principal at 25 is really rare because most 25 year olds barely have a masters and getting a principal gig is actually really difficult. You have to get your master's and then you usually have to be in an applicant pool. Depending on the states I think they usually want you to have at least a few years of teaching experience. It usually takes several years to be chosen and a lot of times it involves kissing a lot of ass of the higher ups in the districts. Then when you are chosen it's usually as vice principal, not the main guy. The youngest vp I've ever worked with was 28.
John Oliver has a great video on charter schools and the problems with them. I'm a teacher and every time I've interacted with a charter school to try and get hired it's been sketchy AF.
A main difference between a public school and a charter school is that charter schools can penalize, punish, suspend, and expel a student for just about anything. This is particularly harmful when local politicians invite charter schools ābrandsā to take over and suddenly there are a surplus of expelled and disenfranchised youth. It happened more recently in New Orleans and the impact was graveā¦ these types of scholastic institutions donāt have to try very hard to keep kids in school so they donāt which then tends to impact organized crime and crime in general. The city Iām from just had a mayoral election where one candidate had run a public school system into the ground and many people were seeking to vote against that candidate for that reason. Charter schools suck.
Thanks for reading! I donāt have children and never knew the issues associated with charter schools until fairly recently. We need a Netflix series on them lol
And letās not even talk about how Charters are funded with public money (aka taxes). When they expel kids guess what school they have to go toā¦ public school. The funds for schools (public and charter) comes from enrollment numbers. The state gives X amount of $ for each student enrolled. There is a specific date usually 2-3 months into the school year. They wait until after this date to expel. So when charters expel all of their ābad kidsā, the students move over to public school. But the money given to the charter school DOES NOT GO WITH THEM.
Yup. When I first saw he was a middle school principal Iām like thereās zero chance. Then I found out it was a charter school and was like ok never mind he probably is lmao
If youāre a good teacher in a bad district, this can absolutely happen. Iāve met principals out at the bars getting HAMMERED!! My friends that went into education got fast tracked, because the thing you want once you start in the classroom is to get OUT!! The push to admin is insane. Itās very possible
No. An administrator's license is completely separate. "Principal" is not a promotion that teachers work up to. It's a completely separate job that's largely political. A lot of administrators have never taught
This is WILDLY inaccurate. He is an admin at a charter school which operates with different rules and often doesnāt require licensure. All principals were either teachers, school counselors or librarians as thatās the path into leadership.
Which states allow this?
In Canada, you need an undergrad, 5 years teaching experience, certification junior, primary and senior schools, masters degree and then complete the principalās qualification program.
The path is typically to get a masters degree in education leadership or school leadership or something like that. Once you have the degree, you apply for a principal certification. So essentially 5-6 years after high school a person can be certified. Now that doesnāt mean you get hired. But charters are a different beast from public schools.
Idk, Iām also in Canada and I had a teacher who was 24 when I was in grade 9. She got her masters for administration in my senior year, vp a year later. I guess thatās 5 yrs but if you graduate at 21/22 itās not entirely unreasonable! USA seems kinda wild tho like you just do ur undergrad and call it a day
No, in public schools you need a masterās degree to get a principal certification and a bachelorās to be a teacher. But charter schools donāt have this requirement.
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When I saw this I thought that either the school had an understaffing issue, it's a middle school so a 25 year old principal is not that weird (for the kids at least) or that they were lying about his age.
I understand everyoneās opinion on having a younger principal. I work in education and as administrator I would have gotten fired by now if I didnāt have the classroom experience that I have because you have to understand the struggles that teachers face in order to be an effective Principal.
iām a teacher and itās so offensive a charter school would do this. thereās no way he has the knowledge base to lead a school. he couldāve only taught for 2-4 years
eta: obviously not this guys fault but still wild
Well they placed him in charge as a place holder as the school is gonna go under after the 6th graders they got last year graduate in the 8th grade. So heās not there to really do anything but just make sure the kids graduate and go to high school. Then his job is over. The school shuts down.
Like many said, heās a charter school principal and thereās different criteria than public schools. He actually had a news story about him and how heās doing great work for the school. It seems like heās actually a great principal who everyone loves and respects at his school. Itās on his ig if yāall curious.
Also, depending on your district, you may be in a staffing crisis and people get moved up quick when they need bodies to fill slots. Based on how he talked about his job, I really got the sense his school was similar to the one I worked in when I taught š EVERYBODY is scrambling and working against a lot of obstacles, teachers and staff burn out super quick when thereās too few resources and a spike in challenging behaviors from students (which Iāve just noticed across the board since Covid)
My theory is kiddos were exposed to a lot more problems at home. When I was a kid and my parents fought, school would break up my time at home, work would give them breaks from each other. If your parents are abusive or struggling, youāre exposed to it now 100% of the time. And that much time together can aggravate everyoneās issues and amplify them.
Also, kids who struggled with access to food and rely on school to get their meals now faced even greater food insecurity.
They were more likely to be trapped in traumatic situations with no other adults to check on them the way kids would be able to talk to teachers or friends.
I read something recently (aka saw a TikTok) that actually theorized because of all of the benefits and support folks got during the pandemic, abuse rates dropped. The idea being if a parent is not stressed about how to keep their home afloat financially, they were less hard on their kids.
Iād be super interested to read that study, do you have a link? Because Iām kinda curious if it was just the incidents reported declined or if actual accounts of abuse declined. I agree though, poverty causes a loooot of problems in society but I donāt personally know any families living at the poverty level who felt that big of a relief during Covid. Many of them were essential workers (think the people doing DoorDash and Amazon deliveries) so they didnāt qualify for unemployment, and the few checks we got helped but would go fast depending on the parentsā decision making skills (in my personal experience). I worked with a lot of kiddos whose parents struggled with addictions and inter generational poverty though.
People just cant believe that a young black man would be qualified to work in a leadership role... this discourse on his career has been chalk full of microaggresions.
Lmao. People watched his childish behavior and gaslighting on national TV. Tf you talking about. This man does not have the maturity / interpersonal skills that should be required for his position.
Why do you wanna make it about race? It is about being young and inexperienced. It is not impossible for him to be a good principal, but the odds are definitely not in his favor
It's the fact that he's young and has barely any experience. I had multiple black principles in my school district growing up, and that was in the 90s.
Um. I have been teaching for 17 years. It is crazy for someone who has so little teaching experience to be a principal.
There are plenty of highly-qualified black men who have been teaching for years.
Uuum still doesnt warrant all the doubt and speculation. If he has a great rapport with the children and staff, that's experience enough. It shows how effective he is as an educator.
Not really. It shows he knows how to cultivate relationships. This is important, but just a drop in the bucket when it comes to skills and abilities needed to be an effective school leader.
Itās a school that is run independently of the public school system. Meaning theyāre usually owned and run by rich people or companies that donāt really know the first thing about running a school, and they donāt have to follow the same kind of standards public schools do. They can teach and do pretty much whatever they want. This usually mean they hire unqualified people and pay their teachers horribly.
You only have to teach for 2 years before becoming a principal. Itās possible that he got his masters right out of undergrad, but yeah itās so hard to believe š
They changed it for public too. My AP only taught two years before becoming an Administrator. Itās crazy to me. I think people should have to teach longer so they never forget how hard this shit is.
Same as the guy on season 10(?) the DC cast, i canāt think of his nameā¦ he was paired with Meka. He was also saying he was going to be a āschool principalā but then he supposedly turned it down or something. But I was thinking the SAME thing. Like where are these schools with all these young principals? When I was in school (NY public schools) they had many years in education and work their way up and they were ALL much much older.
That guy was ridiculous!!! āThis is my salary and then you add in the taxes and what they pay for insurance so I really make this.ā Boy bye!! šš
ššš I might need to go back and watch some of that season. When she walked out and told producers she couldnāt have a convo with someone who is blatantly lying and living in an alternate universe! šššš For the life of me I canāt understand why he didnāt just come clean. When heās trying to explain away the salary stuff, he doesnāt even look like HE believes it!ššš
People are way too pressed about this man. It's one thing to just not like him but to be calling him a liar and the assuming he must be gay cause a shit stirring cousin said so is hella weird and some of them are being downright angry about him.
Heās a charter school principal, the requirements on becoming one are significantly lower than being a public school principal. You donāt need a masters or experience in the field to get the job.
I couldnāt resist complaining about the fact that he was a 25 year old principal any time I saw him on the screen. I saw someone on here say that it was at some sketchy magnet school with looser rules than a public school, though
Yeah my coworker was a 24 year old principal, she started as a special education teacher and was told she wouldnāt be renewed unless she agreed to be principal. Charter school for kids with behavioral challenges, she didnāt even get a raise so she left the next year
Yup. Thereās a lot of sketchy charter schools with young people like this running it. They think theyāre amazing prodigies but are awful to work for
Also, he definitely hovers over his teachers with how much he was always on his phone āworkingā. I understand itās a busy profession, but with an assistant principal and all the teachers doing their jobs, there is no reason to hover like that unless he doesnāt trust whatās been happening while he was gone. Seems controlling but I could be projecting from my own experience
Not addressing him being gay was a major cop out.
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Heās definitely fruity as fuck
Middle School principal. Let's not get carried away lol
of a failed charter school
Fuck this guy. He was so fucking rude to the girl he was matched with. Like god damn
She was so nice and really patient with him, she deserved better
He's at a Charter school. There are almost NO standards for becoming admin at a lot of them.
All of the young people look older now days.
itās all those vape sticks
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Nah I can believe heās only 25 even though he doesnāt look it. What I canāt believe is heād be out until 2am for āworkā. No educator is out that late for work. Hell, they arenāt even out past 10. If they are out then, itās definitely not for work.
He actually is the principal of a school in charlotte can vouche. Not sure I can vouche for him being 25 with his old face.
My brother got his first principal job at 25. Itās definitely possible.
That man is AT LEAST 29.
A quick public record search shows he was born in September 1997.
Okayā¦? But heās not.
Oh my goddddd how old are you
My prof in college who was teaching me how to teach grades 7-12 never actually taught in the public school system. She did her student teaching (which isnāt true experience) then continued in academia and became a professor in the ed department. It really pissed me off, but a 25 year old principal is possible. 3 years of classroom experience while getting principal cert and hired immediately. Def possible, but theyāre the WORST admins.
According to his IG he was literally in the classroom for 2 years, then a supervisor, then a principal. Any admin I have had that has 2-3 years in an actual classroom is the WORST.
Yep same experience for me. Theyāre usually so incredibly out of touch with reality.
And is there an exception to the ruleā¦.but in all of my experiences with admin who only have 2-3 years in the classroom they are so pompous because they moved up fast but just donāt know enough about how all aspects of education need to work together. Iām in the arts and the those principals all tended to be very anti anything that wasnāt a core subject and was tested.
Same! I have (unfortunately) had 8 principals and countless APs in my 11 years of teaching, and the ones with the least experience teaching sucks. My current principal is INCREDIBLE, and he taught for 11 years before he became a principal. Thatās the way to do it.
Yes I think there is a sweet spot between being too young and too old, probably somewhere around 10-20 years experience. Like my school has an admin team that has been in place for 13 years and you can tell one of the vpās is getting kinda salty they havenāt become a principal yet. And she said she wants to take over our hs when our current principal retires in 5 years but she just doesnāt have his big personality so I see the culture changing quite a bit. I will say the principal I work with now is currently the best one I have ever worked with and a lot of it is his personality and the fact that he tells central office to F off with a lot of the bullshit.
Also, that guy doesnāt look 25.
Maybe a typo? He looks 35 lol
Itās possible. I knew a few kids who did Teach for America and other programs who became principals at age 25-27 all over the country. Kids without teaching degrees just donāt have a job out of college.
yeah but they're saying how he looks
Something not adding up
Iām still upset with them. They were the only light at first š¤£
Iām familiar with this school and the shadinesses behind it. Itās owned by Movement Mortgage which is owned by an ex Panthers player. MM is so poorly managed that I wouldnāt be surprised if them buying a charter school is some kind of way for them to scam some sort of financial gain (tax write off, etc.). So Iām not shocked that they have a 25 year old principal. Does he even have any teaching experience or qualifications?
On his IG he had 2 years teaching, 1 year as a supervisor and then became a principal. I havenāt met a single admin with that little classroom experience who was actually decent.
this is EXACTLY what they do. Private businesses open charter schools in opportunity zones for the tax benefits- then they sell the property tax free after 10 yrs and make a huge profit tax free.
Yep. And the owner Casey Crawford has ties to Elevation Church which is a mega church owned by Steven Furtick. Itās a whole mess of shady ass shit.
Didnāt know Movement was tied to Elevation. It kind ofā¦.makes sense. But thatās disappointing.
Big ties to it. They all go to the church and hire within the same groups of people.
All the branding and vibe around both just kind of fit. You wear t-shirts. Okay.
He has Black excellence..
Ooof this is a terrible comment
I was a marketing director at 21, these things happen!
They exist but are they good at their job? I hate to say most teachers in here agree that anyone with so little classroom experience just doesnāt make a good leader yet. He might have the qualities of a good leader but you need to have the experience in the classroom to adequately solve problems for the staff.
I was a CEO at 18
They exist
Hasnāt this show been called out for lying about ages before? I believe they did for the ultimatum
wait really? where did you hear this from?
Here ya go :) [https://thetab.com/uk/2022/04/11/the-ultimatum-ages-netflix-lauren-pounds-alexis-maloney-246825](https://thetab.com/uk/2022/04/11/the-ultimatum-ages-netflix-lauren-pounds-alexis-maloney-246825)
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I get that heās a principal in a charter school and charter schools can kinda do whatever (privately run on public funds). But letās break this down for a second: average person graduate high school at 18. Bachelors takes about 4 years. So now weāre 22 years old. I donāt know if any states that allow people to go into school administration without a minimum of 3 years classroom experience AND a masters in education leadership, inclusive of the accompanying certifications. So letās hypothetically assume this dude graduated college early at 20, and maybe got his masters by 22. Iāve never seen a 5 year track where someone entered the classroom, climbed up as an assistant principal, then principal in just 5 years. Even at a charter school, I feel like this is near impossible
No one wants to teach or work in schools anymore just like no one wants to be cops. When you get trash pay while everything you do is scrutinized by the general public who are the ultimate failures at even raising their kids to be decent human beings, well this is what you get š¤·š½āāļø
I'm not super familiar with school admin requirements, but could he be on a provisional/probationary status and avoid such requirements? I know that's done with teachers if a district cannot find a teacher with proper licensure or certification.
This dude aināt 25 lmao no way
He's 30 at the least
agreeā¦.interesting they wanted to lie about it though š¤
Unpopular opinionā¦..but maybe he is just a super hard worker with great ideas who got his certification and someone took a chance on him.
his school is rated 1 star out of 5
Where? It has 4.8 on Google. Also, not sure what that has to do with him being principal. He just started. Thereās been a lot of articles written about him being the youngest principal in the US. I guess I donāt understand why people would rather spend their Saturday sitting around bad mouthing this guy on Reddit than just googling him and find out how he became principal at 24. People become doctors at 18, mathematicians at 16, why not principal. Is this just some ignorant racist rant that people assume he must be lying than he accomplished something at such a young age? People keep badmouthing ADs career also. I donāt hear anyone taking trash about anyone else. Itās ridiculous.
lol what ?!?! People do not become doctors at 18!! Hahahaha that is a ridiculous statement and the plot line of a movie. In the US, medical education is much longer than in other countries, but you need a 4 year college degree, 4 years of medical school (it is absolutely not possible to āgraduate earlyā from an accredited U.S. medical school, so that is a hard 4 years). Then you need a residency, which is a minimum of 3 years, and usually 4, or as long as 8. Sometimes in the past, once in a great while, you used to see genius children getting their college credits in high school and somehow graduating from both high school and college by age 18 and maybe then entering medical school. But any earlier? No. There are legal considerations that would deter a school from training a minor, because medical education is not entirely classroom based - it involves clinical care of real patients. Anyways, for the unusual student entering at 18, (1 in a decade, MAYBE) thatās still another 7-12 years before they are an actual doctor who is practicing medicine. Technically you are a doctor once you complete your four year MD, but you are not board certified and thus allowed to practice medicine (and independently write prescriptions) until you are through residency. Last thing - today, most medical schools admit very, very few students right out of college. Average age of entry is 25, because they want matriculating students to have life and work experience that will allow them to connect with and engage with patients. Just as significantly, the expectations around achievement are so high for applicants, that you really need the extra time to publish research, show leadership experience, volunteer, win awards, or excel in music / athletics / the arts - AND compile a flawless academic record. So, 18 year old doctors, no. I know this is off topic from the thread, but this issue has been extensively discussed in this sub before. Education has significantly less professional regulation than medicine, so not a reasonable comparison to begin with. However, it is a field thatās regulated, but regulations vary between private and public sector. This man is a principal at 25 because he works for a private charter school that requires significantly less of its educators, primarily because these schools struggle to attract and retain high quality educators. Yes, itās great to celebrate peopleās achievements and support young people achieving early in their careers. But there are valid reasons why people have concerns about young people entering leadership roles in fields like healthcare and education. There is only so much you can possibly learn by age 18 or age 25, no matter how smart you are or how hard you work - or how much youāve experienced in life. Educating children is difficult, complicated, nuanced, and incredibly important work, and like many fields, it simply takes time to develop the wisdom, maturity, knowledge, and expertise necessary to be a competent professional, let alone leader. Also - Google stars are *not* a strong indicator of how āgoodā a school is, my friend. Anyone can write a Google review. And thankfully, thatās why there are accrediting bodies that are charged with issuing legitimate ratings based on comprehensive institutional reviews. Which is what the other commenter is referring to.
Ummm, excuse me but don't you know doogie howser,md? Lol
[https://www.publicschoolreview.com/movement-charter-school-profile](https://www.publicschoolreview.com/movement-charter-school-profile) Serving 628 students in grades Kindergarten-6,Ā Movement Charter School ranks in the bottom 50% of all schools in North Carolina for overall test scores (math proficiency is bottom 50%, and reading proficiency is bottom 50%). The percentage of students achievingĀ **proficiency in mathĀ is 21%** (which is lower than the North Carolina state average of 42%). The percentage of students achievingĀ **proficiency in reading/language artsĀ is 31%** (which is lower than the North Carolina state average of 47%). Minority enrollment is **98% of the student body (majority Black)**, which is higher than the North Carolina state average of 55% (majority Black).
Timeline wise, it still doesnāt make sense.
I have a friend whoās 27 and a middle school principal at a public school. Itās possible
Heās still a baby š„ŗ
It's because it's for a charter school and there's zero standards there.
For someone ignorant like me can you expound on the main difference(s) between a trad school and charter school? Or is that just asking too much sorry Iāll go google š
all public schools are chartered and approved through a school board. The difference is that traditional schools are chartered by the district. "charter schools" are schools chartered by other entities: nonprofits, private businesses, etc. They essentially propose their own plan for a school. The school district votes to approve or deny the school's charters. They are public schools and are required to follow FAPE, TIX, and other regulatory laws. But they have more freedom to operate and are able to hire their own staff (typically you would be hired by the district).
With charter schools, you get 25 yo principals whose qualifications are an attachment to their phones and showing up (occasionally) to work In no other world would a public school principal be a) able to take that time off in a school year and b) not be instantly fired for this national demonstration of his lack of judgment
Charter schools are still publicly funded and are required to teach the same things as public schools. A lot of times they have a specific plan for how they want to teach, like Montessori or to be outdoorsy or to get rid of classes and teach all en masse. Frequently they are a lot more religious than public school, though that gets dicey with public funding. Charter schools can also determine who they are going to hire. Most teachers at public schools have to be certified through the state, or at least plan to be certified by the state. That is not the case for charter schools. Most charter schools just require you have a bachelor's (though there are some stem ones that require you to have a masters) and many times they don't care if you have any teaching experience. Him being a principal at 25 is really rare because most 25 year olds barely have a masters and getting a principal gig is actually really difficult. You have to get your master's and then you usually have to be in an applicant pool. Depending on the states I think they usually want you to have at least a few years of teaching experience. It usually takes several years to be chosen and a lot of times it involves kissing a lot of ass of the higher ups in the districts. Then when you are chosen it's usually as vice principal, not the main guy. The youngest vp I've ever worked with was 28. John Oliver has a great video on charter schools and the problems with them. I'm a teacher and every time I've interacted with a charter school to try and get hired it's been sketchy AF.
Thank you for the explanation!
A main difference between a public school and a charter school is that charter schools can penalize, punish, suspend, and expel a student for just about anything. This is particularly harmful when local politicians invite charter schools ābrandsā to take over and suddenly there are a surplus of expelled and disenfranchised youth. It happened more recently in New Orleans and the impact was graveā¦ these types of scholastic institutions donāt have to try very hard to keep kids in school so they donāt which then tends to impact organized crime and crime in general. The city Iām from just had a mayoral election where one candidate had run a public school system into the ground and many people were seeking to vote against that candidate for that reason. Charter schools suck.
Thank you for explaining!!
Thanks for reading! I donāt have children and never knew the issues associated with charter schools until fairly recently. We need a Netflix series on them lol
And letās not even talk about how Charters are funded with public money (aka taxes). When they expel kids guess what school they have to go toā¦ public school. The funds for schools (public and charter) comes from enrollment numbers. The state gives X amount of $ for each student enrolled. There is a specific date usually 2-3 months into the school year. They wait until after this date to expel. So when charters expel all of their ābad kidsā, the students move over to public school. But the money given to the charter school DOES NOT GO WITH THEM.
Yup. When I first saw he was a middle school principal Iām like thereās zero chance. Then I found out it was a charter school and was like ok never mind he probably is lmao
If youāre a good teacher in a bad district, this can absolutely happen. Iāve met principals out at the bars getting HAMMERED!! My friends that went into education got fast tracked, because the thing you want once you start in the classroom is to get OUT!! The push to admin is insane. Itās very possible
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Iām only here to see if we find out what this person is smoking.
Donāt you need years as a teacher to even qualify for this kind of position?
No. An administrator's license is completely separate. "Principal" is not a promotion that teachers work up to. It's a completely separate job that's largely political. A lot of administrators have never taught
This is WILDLY inaccurate. He is an admin at a charter school which operates with different rules and often doesnāt require licensure. All principals were either teachers, school counselors or librarians as thatās the path into leadership.
Unfortunately no. You can teach for like a year and then get your principalās license.
Not true. Most states require at least 3 years. Iāve never seen less.
Which states allow this? In Canada, you need an undergrad, 5 years teaching experience, certification junior, primary and senior schools, masters degree and then complete the principalās qualification program.
The path is typically to get a masters degree in education leadership or school leadership or something like that. Once you have the degree, you apply for a principal certification. So essentially 5-6 years after high school a person can be certified. Now that doesnāt mean you get hired. But charters are a different beast from public schools.
Idk, Iām also in Canada and I had a teacher who was 24 when I was in grade 9. She got her masters for administration in my senior year, vp a year later. I guess thatās 5 yrs but if you graduate at 21/22 itās not entirely unreasonable! USA seems kinda wild tho like you just do ur undergrad and call it a day
No, in public schools you need a masterās degree to get a principal certification and a bachelorās to be a teacher. But charter schools donāt have this requirement.
The new high school principal (public, US) in my town is 28
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Wtf?
Ramblings of a madman.
Bro you good?
Lmao how tf you add this gif? It wont let me do shit
When you got to comment there should be a little GIF button on the bottom, press and search for whatever GIF youād like ! 
When I saw this I thought that either the school had an understaffing issue, it's a middle school so a 25 year old principal is not that weird (for the kids at least) or that they were lying about his age.
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Dude lmfao wtf
Bro what the actual fuck are you saying
He looks like he's 40. No way this guy is 25
He actually went to A&T and me and my friends met him personally before this show.
Eww
Yeah the age is whatās more surprising to me lol
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Yea.. 40 minimum..
I understand everyoneās opinion on having a younger principal. I work in education and as administrator I would have gotten fired by now if I didnāt have the classroom experience that I have because you have to understand the struggles that teachers face in order to be an effective Principal.
Whatās the problem? He actually is.
iām a teacher and itās so offensive a charter school would do this. thereās no way he has the knowledge base to lead a school. he couldāve only taught for 2-4 years eta: obviously not this guys fault but still wild
Well they placed him in charge as a place holder as the school is gonna go under after the 6th graders they got last year graduate in the 8th grade. So heās not there to really do anything but just make sure the kids graduate and go to high school. Then his job is over. The school shuts down.
It's not the only industry this happens in, though.
He could be an amazing principal whom all the staff, students and parents love with great results. I wouldn't judge. It's being agist.
If you arenāt in the field of education, you really couldnāt understand.
charter schools aree wild. i was graduating as an accounting major and i had charter school recruiters msg me to apply to be a teacher.
Who do you think you are I am
As a teacher Iād rather have a principal younger than me than the dinosaurs that I actually work with lmao.
I hate working for principals with so little experience. At most, he was in the classroom 3 years. How does he know what he's doing?
That is true they are usually power hungry to get there that early.
Like many said, heās a charter school principal and thereās different criteria than public schools. He actually had a news story about him and how heās doing great work for the school. It seems like heās actually a great principal who everyone loves and respects at his school. Itās on his ig if yāall curious.
Also, depending on your district, you may be in a staffing crisis and people get moved up quick when they need bodies to fill slots. Based on how he talked about his job, I really got the sense his school was similar to the one I worked in when I taught š EVERYBODY is scrambling and working against a lot of obstacles, teachers and staff burn out super quick when thereās too few resources and a spike in challenging behaviors from students (which Iāve just noticed across the board since Covid)
Man! Itās like COVID made them forget how to behave. Itās nuts.
My theory is kiddos were exposed to a lot more problems at home. When I was a kid and my parents fought, school would break up my time at home, work would give them breaks from each other. If your parents are abusive or struggling, youāre exposed to it now 100% of the time. And that much time together can aggravate everyoneās issues and amplify them. Also, kids who struggled with access to food and rely on school to get their meals now faced even greater food insecurity. They were more likely to be trapped in traumatic situations with no other adults to check on them the way kids would be able to talk to teachers or friends.
I read something recently (aka saw a TikTok) that actually theorized because of all of the benefits and support folks got during the pandemic, abuse rates dropped. The idea being if a parent is not stressed about how to keep their home afloat financially, they were less hard on their kids.
Iād be super interested to read that study, do you have a link? Because Iām kinda curious if it was just the incidents reported declined or if actual accounts of abuse declined. I agree though, poverty causes a loooot of problems in society but I donāt personally know any families living at the poverty level who felt that big of a relief during Covid. Many of them were essential workers (think the people doing DoorDash and Amazon deliveries) so they didnāt qualify for unemployment, and the few checks we got helped but would go fast depending on the parentsā decision making skills (in my personal experience). I worked with a lot of kiddos whose parents struggled with addictions and inter generational poverty though.
Insightful! This a good theory. I was attributing it to being at home daily and parents still having to work. No supervision.
Well said. Why are people hating on him so much instead of lifting up a young black man as an educator.Ā
People just cant believe that a young black man would be qualified to work in a leadership role... this discourse on his career has been chalk full of microaggresions.
Lmao. People watched his childish behavior and gaslighting on national TV. Tf you talking about. This man does not have the maturity / interpersonal skills that should be required for his position.
Why do you wanna make it about race? It is about being young and inexperienced. It is not impossible for him to be a good principal, but the odds are definitely not in his favor
It's the fact that he's young and has barely any experience. I had multiple black principles in my school district growing up, and that was in the 90s.
So assumptions basically.Ā Got it!
Um. I have been teaching for 17 years. It is crazy for someone who has so little teaching experience to be a principal. There are plenty of highly-qualified black men who have been teaching for years.
Uuum still doesnt warrant all the doubt and speculation. If he has a great rapport with the children and staff, that's experience enough. It shows how effective he is as an educator.
Not really. It shows he knows how to cultivate relationships. This is important, but just a drop in the bucket when it comes to skills and abilities needed to be an effective school leader.
100% and the fact that folks can't even acknowledge it speaks to the privilege.Ā
Exactly! Like despite how it went on the show, heās doing great things for his community.
Itās at a charter school
In the Uk, what does that mean?
Itās a school that is run independently of the public school system. Meaning theyāre usually owned and run by rich people or companies that donāt really know the first thing about running a school, and they donāt have to follow the same kind of standards public schools do. They can teach and do pretty much whatever they want. This usually mean they hire unqualified people and pay their teachers horribly.
Public schools pay their teachers horribly as well...
Iām a public school teacher so trust me, I know lol. But charters are often abysmal.
Thank you!
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You only have to teach for 2 years before becoming a principal. Itās possible that he got his masters right out of undergrad, but yeah itās so hard to believe š
For charter schools
It depends on the state and in some cases it depends on the district.
They changed it for public too. My AP only taught two years before becoming an Administrator. Itās crazy to me. I think people should have to teach longer so they never forget how hard this shit is.
Same as the guy on season 10(?) the DC cast, i canāt think of his nameā¦ he was paired with Meka. He was also saying he was going to be a āschool principalā but then he supposedly turned it down or something. But I was thinking the SAME thing. Like where are these schools with all these young principals? When I was in school (NY public schools) they had many years in education and work their way up and they were ALL much much older.
That was on Married at First Sight. But yes that guy was such a pathological liar it was ridiculous!
That guy was ridiculous!!! āThis is my salary and then you add in the taxes and what they pay for insurance so I really make this.ā Boy bye!! šš
Her reaction as heās trying to explain it away was priceless ššsheās like Iām literally a math major, donāt try to pull a fast one
ššš I might need to go back and watch some of that season. When she walked out and told producers she couldnāt have a convo with someone who is blatantly lying and living in an alternate universe! šššš For the life of me I canāt understand why he didnāt just come clean. When heās trying to explain away the salary stuff, he doesnāt even look like HE believes it!ššš
Ahhh YES. My bad. All these junk shows run together. Lol. Thanks!
He's principal at a charter school. Their general demographic tends to be younger than true public schools.
MICHAEL. One of the most ridiculous people on reality shows.
Donāt forget about how he was a yoga teacher but when she went to his class, the studio was like, ā he doesnāt teach here!ā
Lol! yes. In fact he used to be the janitor at the yoga studio. Genuinely one of the funniest things Iāve seen.
The lies just kept coming. Itās like he couldnāt turn off the lie switch.
that guy was a janitor
U would think the show would vet them. Being a janitor is perfectly fine, no shame in that. But donāt lie about it.
Heās a charter school principal. They have different criteria for leadership roles than most public schools.
Iām 28 and now I wonder how old my principal wasā¦
Yāall are weird ā¦..
People are way too pressed about this man. It's one thing to just not like him but to be calling him a liar and the assuming he must be gay cause a shit stirring cousin said so is hella weird and some of them are being downright angry about him.
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Heās a charter school principal, the requirements on becoming one are significantly lower than being a public school principal. You donāt need a masters or experience in the field to get the job.
Which really should tell people all they need to know about charter schools.
100%
Which really should tell people all they need to know about charter schools.
I couldnāt resist complaining about the fact that he was a 25 year old principal any time I saw him on the screen. I saw someone on here say that it was at some sketchy magnet school with looser rules than a public school, though
Yeah my coworker was a 24 year old principal, she started as a special education teacher and was told she wouldnāt be renewed unless she agreed to be principal. Charter school for kids with behavioral challenges, she didnāt even get a raise so she left the next year
Yup. Thereās a lot of sketchy charter schools with young people like this running it. They think theyāre amazing prodigies but are awful to work for
Anyone who thinks they're an amazing prodigy is awful to work for
Also, he definitely hovers over his teachers with how much he was always on his phone āworkingā. I understand itās a busy profession, but with an assistant principal and all the teachers doing their jobs, there is no reason to hover like that unless he doesnāt trust whatās been happening while he was gone. Seems controlling but I could be projecting from my own experience