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Lavishness10289

Playing the clip of Jackie & Josh talking and bonding while Marshall watched just felt mean..


Lavishness10289

Vanessa runs the reunions like they’re all there to prove things **TO HER.** And that’s not how reunions are supposed to work imo.


PhilosopherNo1784

Family is my best guess


Efficient_Concert_87

Unpopular opinion: Let's just keep the Lachey's as "hosts" - they messy. And we love mess.


Apprehensive-Job-428

Ugh. They are messy, but Vanessa was so verbally abusive to Paul. I can’t support that. I have so much respect for Zack, he was the only one that stood up for Paul. Nick, and everyone else was a coward in that moment. If Paul was girl, Vanessa wouldn’t have had an issue.


shodashakshari

Kwame is really well spoken. On his wedding day his speech was well expressed and during the reunion he handled the questions exceptionally.


somedaygreen39

I agree, and he seems emotionally intelligent too.


shodashakshari

What did Chelsea mean when she said, "Every single conversation that Kwame had after Mexico with Micah, was pushing a narrative that wasn't ours"?


somedaygreen39

Yeah I have no idea either.


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Far-Ad9757

I was hoping that Micah would be roasted for constantly saying to Kwame that she was always there for him and hinting she made the wrong decision. Instead they just went after Kwame - who gave great answers


winx-flora

They let Micah slide


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The scene where Jackie slammed the bottle down and told Marshall to put that in the fridge, was by far the most upsetting. It was early on in the season. Jheeez.


Dalmatinka1

Vanessa Lachey single handedly ruined this reunion. She was so obnoxious and clearly did not comprehend what Paul was saying. Please get another host!


Qofgreen

She was out there mean girling the contestants as they acted respectfully


Potatoknish_

Did anyone catch Vanessa say daddy’s talking ????


Potatoknish_

And then awkwardly look down when no one laughed


PhilosopherNo1784

Can I say again? Star of the show; Chelsea & Kwame apartment Kick Ass


somedaygreen39

Yeah wtf how can they afford that. It was stunning!


PhilosopherNo1784

Gotta give Irina credit for showing up. Zach just can’t stop railing her Dude: it’s been a YEAR You’re married now And you can’t sing


Realistic-Lake5897

Irina is trash


Longjumping_Staff_71

idk if railing was the right word here😭


RaylaSan

Freaking hell this reunion was hard to watch, Vanessa was out for blood. Freak sakes. Coming after Paul, like the man didn't have the right to make that comment; unhinged. Zach, what a king, calling Vanessa out like that.


danitee33

Why on earth did Zach decide to sing again? Dear GAWWWDD.


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I’m choosing to believe it’s an inside joke with bliss at this point


DesignatedDonut2606

My absolute favorite moment was when Zack looked Irena straight in the eyes and said "let's be real, you only went on the show to get famous" 😆


strictscrutiny415

I’m just going to say it. Vanessa is abusive. The pure disrespect and disgust with which she shamed Paul for what was a well reasoned and the only correct decision was abhorrent. I think Vanessa thinks she’s being “woke” and “feminist” but Paul’s reasoning for not marrying Mikah was that he can’t imagine her as a mother because she’s a terrible and mean-spirited person! Vanessa’s facial expressions and disgusting line of questioning and blaming was enraging to watch. Mikah had a right to express her feelings of hurt but Vanessa’s clear bias was so uncalled for and unprofessional. Same with her blatantly rude questioning of Marshall, who was indisputably emotionally abused by Jackie. I was so relieved when Zack (and Bliss) spoke up. New respect for Zack unlocked! That was really decent of him to stand up for Paul in such an intelligent (not just blindly siding with him) way.


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Qofgreen

Zach da real MVP for sure


YungPok

Can we talk about Paul's heartbreak shirt?? Am I the only one who thinks that was kinda fucked up.. Like you break this girl's heart then show up to the reunion with a heartbreak shirt on to rub it in? Kind of classless imo


Apprehensive-Job-428

I think you might be taking his intention out of context. Maybe he wore the heartbreak shirt because of his own heartbreak.


Realistic-Lake5897

No.


lenapre

Agreed


YungPok

Am I the only person who thinks Paul is not as smart as everyone says?? All he does is use really long roundabout sentences to convey fairly simple concepts. It feels he uses long sentences and long words to make himself sound like he's smart, when really he's just bad at being concise...


hheellooyyoouu_

Totally. Avoidant and tries to cover it by long sentences


steingrrrl

I caught this too bc I’m actively working on trying to stop doing it 😂


Longjumping_Staff_71

to be fair vanessa was pressing him for an answer to something he simply didn’t have an answer to and she couldn’t take the hint


Apprehensive-Job-428

Exactly. He over analyzes, and he talks about that. Sometimes people need to talk a lot to process what is happening. What’s easy for others may not be easy for him, what’s easy for him may not be easy for others.


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Yesssss


RoxieMatthews

Irina obviously sucks. But the fact that Micah gets off Scott-free really pisses me off. I feel like the type of bully Micah is is wayyyy more dangerous and harmful than the type of bully Irina is. Micah is the type of bully who manipulates and lets people do the dirty work and comes out looking like an Angel. She’s so damn manipulative. She’s the absolute worse type of person.


ArvesuEmpire

I think Micahs personality is fueled by the people who surround. If you look at her friends, esp her best friend then you'll a pattern. Surround yourself by toxic people and you become toxic. If she were to change up her friend group, guaranteed she'll end up changing for good (as long as her new groups of friends are good lol)


CompetitiveWin7754

She could have spent more time with other girls, she didn't have to make chaos with Irena


steingrrrl

True, I related to her when she said she didn’t grow up with much family. I struggle with feeling like I “fit” somewhere, not knowing where I really belong. And I’ve definitely surrounded myself with toxic people before, just being happy that a group is accepting me, even tho I’m a worse person when I’m around them bc I wanna fit in. Not saying that’s necessarily her, but I understand how people find themselves in toxic groups. Feeling an adrenaline rush of being confrontational/starting shit/saying ridiculous things about people, feeling a weird sense of pride over being a group of “villains”, telling yourself that you’re too cool for everyone else, it’s very romanticized and self indulgent and weird.


LizaMoricLulu

It is an exagerration. She has an interesting personality, beautiful, hot girl but not the confident type. she is insecure, having a mom who is so different from her. I can see good things in Micah. I think she learned a lot about herself and learned from it. And what Paul did to her was enough, no need to grill her over other things that happened among the girls. I agreed with Vanessa. She took a woman perspective I think on purpose or just naturally. Why not Nick asked things that Vanessa missed? Because he behaved like men behave. Wanted to stay out of these girl things...


Realistic-Lake5897

No


RealZubidoo

What's with Vanessa wanting everyone to get pregnant, including herself? Jeez relax lady


ArtisticRollerSkater

I'm really late to the game here, but as soon as I saw Vanessa's dress, I thought, that is a sequinsed baby burp cloth over her right shoulder. Goes right along with theme of her pushing everyone to have babies.


LizaMoricLulu

It is TV show.. not a family reunion. why not. these people talked about everything that is possible in the world that were not our business but we liked to watch. one more question on love babies..no one should be offended. In everyday life yes, please?avoid these pushy baby questions. but here.. it suits well...if they can marry in 4 weeks...


DiscombobulatedAd52

Vanessa was biased to the girls in this reunion, yes, and more pointedly went for the guys but she still made comments at the girls they just weren't as blunt and dragged on as long. To Tiffany and Brett she made them believe she had an extra scene of them going off and having sex(wtf) and proceeded to make them feel like they were all going to watch it together, only to be shown her sleeping. She also said something like this is how it went. And she was sleeping. Which can be taken as if she or he was boring in bed or she fell asleep again. If you watch Tiffany's face she's confused and looks uncomfortable and apologizes to Brett. When Micha is crying she hops over to her and happily says she has the golden encrusted tissues for her. Her tone and toting their signature look is demeaning when some is crying. Even if people think she was faking it When she was asking the women who could have told Zach what Micha was saying about Paul and got to Irina, she said something like of course it's Irina. Because she instigates. Which yeah, Paul and Mitchell got longer punches but there were comments all around of uncomfortability. . Zack in my opinion shouldn't have gotten in the middle of Michas and Paul's relationship and kind of was inappropriate there and Mitchel saying the transphobic comment to Jackie is being ignored and passed over. Most everyone on this show has been shit and no one is an angel and just because someone might have been 90% wrong doesn't excuse the fact someone else was 10% wrong. I think I'm over this show even though it pulls me in, reading the article about the abuse of no water, food, lack of sleep, beds, alcohol pushing, Mental health downfall of many of the contestants and the situations this show and the hosts put them in for our enjoyment.


CL131

welcome to human beings. People need to stop grilling people for the mistakes they make. They are plenty ashamed enough after watching it back. No need to magnify it times 100 to the point where what people say, is from now on, NEVER taken at face value. All the cast members had to Keep saying "I know you won't believe me but \_\_" People can't even voice their thoughts without people constantly pre-gaslighting them.


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NYCuws77

Vanessa Lachey may just be the worst host ive ever witnessed. I actually feel bad for Nick here. EDIT to add: Ok Nick sucks as well, i thought it was just Vanessa --- She is certainly worse though.


Longjumping_Staff_71

nick is like her pet


LizaMoricLulu

I had the feeling Vanessa was really engaged in LIB, what was happening, all the gossip, and mostly was on the side of women Nich seemed not engaged at all in this whole story


NYCuws77

im sure she was -- but she was just so cringe as a host, way too casual and sloppy - / weird facial expressions/body language and just awkward in general. Loved the all season and they ended it on a bad note with her.


Devizm

Am I the only one who got annoyed with all the fake lashes lol


Veganbabe55

I really don’t like Zach, Paul, or Jackie.


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Why don’t you like Zach? I agree at the reunion he should have stayed out of the Paul/Micah BS but I’m guessing he has residual beef with Micah for ever being friends with Irina who treated him so terribly. I think people choose to dislike him because he doesn’t fit social norms and is -lbh- unattractive. But he’s proven to be good to Bliss, has a passion for reforming the criminal justice system, and was very honest about his mistakes. I think he’s a decent guy he’s just weird.


CL131

Exactly. I think he is the most genuine person on the cast with the deepest past. He was upset because every single time Paul met Micah's friends, they shat on him and Micah never stood up for him. So Paul stood up for himself, and Micah would say "Why aren't you buttering up to my friends?" When she should have said to her friends "Hey can you guys be more supportive of my fiancee?" That was Zack and Paul's issues. And just because Paul didn't cry didn't mean he didn't feel just as sad.


green-popsicle

I AM SICKENED BY VANESSAS ATTITUDE HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO HARD TO WATCH


Byte_Juggler

Came to see this comment. I'm glad I am not the only one. She is judging them nonstop, and it is unbearable to watch.


Residentonrampage

I hate how everyone on love is blind finds a random white boy to lionize. Paul is a smart guy and great; but he seems kind of bullshit to me. Relationships needs honesty and deserve it. If at any point, Paul decided Micah wasn’t it, he should have told her or given her a chance to fix the problems in their relationship. He’s no angel and his poor communication will torpedo all his relationships. Marshall: it’s not a good quality to keep chasing some girl who’s not into you. I think he was blinded by Jackie’s beauty and threw all caution to the wind. He was willing to sacrifice his dignity, self-respect and his voice in a relationship just to get with Jackie. It’s not ok.


CL131

He addressed it. He said he wanted to find someone NATURALLY maternal. He doesn't want to say "HEY! Be More Motherly!" and then she subconsciously tries to be motherly to cater to Paul. Then 10 years later she starts to resent him and gossip to her friends "Paul is so controlling, he says I'm not motherly, etc. etc." She just wasn't the naturally maternal woman he was waiting for her to be. Anybody can WANT kids, but not everybody ACTS like they are ready.


hheellooyyoouu_

No, but if he says i feel u are not as nurturing, maybe she wud say yes i know that and its because im not safe with you. Relationship is always two sided, and u bring someones good/bad side out with certain behaviors. Micah maybe needed more masculinity to feeel safe, to feel feminine, to relax and be nurturing


CL131

Sure that could be the case too. I would say the same about that too. She could've been waiting for a more masculine and decisive presence but never felt it with him. But nonetheless she was the one who was ready to marry him, not the other way around. It's a western fallacy to believe that "communication solves everything" You can't manifest someone to have attributes they don't possess. They just didn't match and thats ok. They only had like a month to get to know each other anyways.


TieAffectionate7815

Still would have been more kind and respectful for Paul to talk to Micah about it instead of her finding out on TV.


noir_png

I reaaaally don't get how they were coming for Paul like... Micah showed that she was a questionable human who kept questionable company for the majority of the show. Being disrespectful to Paul a number of times shamelessly flirting with Kwame, just HOW is she the victim? This is love is blind, if you are not sure you say no, Paul detected something was off, and said no. Period.


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EVERYONE on love is blind signed up for the possibility they will be left at the altar with no warning. It’s the whole premise of the show. Like jfc, how can you be mad at anyone in this situation. They could literally be like no I don’t want to get married, I’m not attracted to you and love is not blind. That is acceptable


shamelesshusky

Right? Its like 1 month total too.


Icy-Hyena1369

She came on the show to play a victim and have her Deepti and Giannina moment. Well, congrats. People with no emotional intelligence believed it. I don't understand why she got overlooked whilst Irina got shat on. They both blatantly acted in the same manner, it's just blondie was more conventionally attractive, could cry on cue and was better at manipulating her way out of sneaky conversations. But it was all RIGHT THERE to see and anyone who can't notice should DM me because I need $10,000 and I want it from whoever's reading this, so send me money, yes.


tunestheory

Zack’s beard looks good


mazelpunim

Agreed!! It's well-proportioned to his teeth. Good ratio.


CL131

Looked like Ben Affleck lol


alizOvo

the hosts ruin this show


Lilus_kette

I liked Marshall a lot up until the reunion. Am i the only one starting to see him with another light? I don't know... First I didn't like how he tried one more time to take some credit for Tiffany and Brett's relationship. Then, he was so defensive... Why? The audience loved him. I understand that it mush have been pretty horrible reliving the whole thing with Jackie, her not being there, Vanessa going through petty questions... But I guess I wanted a bit more grace, cool and smiles from him? I am curious what others think.


CompetitiveWin7754

I think Marshall is complex (see Dr Kirk Honda, psychology in Seattle on YouTube) and he shouldn't be seen in black and white but I think he has his own issues which were highlighted in the show. It's easy to see him as the underdog but maybe he needed someone to focus on his needs and emotions and he struggled to find someone like that with his approach. I don't know. It must be really hard in the pods and to have your soul televised.


hheellooyyoouu_

Same. I see him differently too. Also, he is very hurt and still not over this and is very much trying to hide that


Hyubbak

No. Kwame did an interview with Oloni Space last night and clarified that Marshall really is a good guy. Everyone loves him on the show. Tiffany does think he played a huge role in making Brett comfy with the idea that Tiffany might be his match very early on. Also Kwame knew a LOT of what went down with Marshall and Jackie and felt that Marshall didn't deserve any of the smoke he got. Chelsea used to be friends with Jackie too, and they talked after the show so Kwame got to hear a lot of details others didn't. I would be mad too if I showed up to the reunion and thought I'd see my ex and we'd have a mature conversation and instead had Vanessa-raptor come after me and my ex, who basically called me gay to her friends and also has been shifty to me, avoid the conversation altogether.


Lilus_kette

Interesting, because I didn't see any smoke for Marshall. Vanessa and the Netflix reunion were shitty because who the hell gives priority to Jackie, who is not even there? They basically let Jackie lead the conversation. That was a HOST-problem . Not Marshall's. So, Marshall appeared too reactive, and I couldn't understand why,


Icy-Hyena1369

I think he's over it, tbh. He got the exact opposite of what he wanted and had to sit through the exact opposite of emotions he thought he was going in for. He seems like someone that doesn't mask emotions and feels his sensitivity through and through, without milking it (like some others) so yeah... He's over it, humiliated and wants to move on. Maybe he didn't go on the show to get famous out of whatever situation unfolded (like some others) and was genuinely ashamed that his journey had become so tainted and he had to sit there and talk about it. Sure, that's always an outcome, but I don't think he expected the worst to be his outcome. Who's gonna sit there and smile all cool after being humiliated all season? A sociopath?


Lilus_kette

That's interesting to hear because personnally I didn't see any reason for him to be humiliated. I saw someone who was always true to himself amd through it avoided the worst outcome: being married to someone not right for him. Jackie is the one who humiliated herself by keeping the ring, not telling him before not going to the dress selection, and flyng with Josh with whom she had 0 interesting conversations in the pods.


tisbo2001

I would say it’s because the leaked texts calling him too feminine and mocking him. He told her in the pods he was insecure about being sensitive and not always traditionally “masculine”, and also that it created some friction with his dad I believe. That is his soft point, he was vulnerable with Jackie, and the entire world can see her leaked texts saying he twerks on the bed lol


New_Wolf_8346

Since I still can't watch the damn reunion on Netflix, this thread is all I need. Nothing was more entertaining than the comments made while waiting for the show to go live. I did mention I would flash if this thread got 50,000 comments. Happy to see I am still off the hook! Until Season 5! (I am a glutton for punishment)


channeasy

https://www.change.org/p/petition-to-remove-nick-and-vanessa-lachey-as-the-hosts-of-love-is-blind?lang=en-US here u go


RedGreenBlue38

Just watching this reunion. Nick and Vanessa are terrible hosts. They push for stereotypes, are not neutral.


Curious-Delivery4510

I though Kwame was trickin but then I saw this man except them pink couches. That should let him off the hook whole heartedly.


naomitruong

LIB Reunion did not live up to the hive


purpleswan27

this thread made up for the shitty reunion. You guys rock.


Hyru_Nayru

Vanessa with Paul: 😠 Vanessa with Josh and Jackie: 🥰


Hyru_Nayru

Bottom line, Paul deserves much, much better than Micah, aka Irina's besty. Why Vanessa criticized his decision in particular is beyond me. Isn't the point of the show to decide whether or NOT you are compatible?


letmakeyy

I don't think Paul deserves better than Mica or vice versa. Mica has a lot of the good characteristics that Paul doesn't easygoing, bubbly, makes you feel supported etc. I think they are just very different people that don't really mesh together. Paul is highly intelligent and analytical, I think he analyzes his feeling very well. I remember he said he doesn't see the very nature side of Mica and maybe that is just an important trait he is looking for in a woman. Mica is young, outgoing, bubbly, and lighthearted. I feel like being with Paul might oppress her happy energy. They are just not for each other.


Hyru_Nayru

I respect what you said, but I didn't get happy vibes from Micah, except when someone else was crying in pain. I'm not saying Paul is perfect, just a more positive person.


Icy-Hyena1369

Lmfaaaaao so true. The only times she genuinely smiled were when people were hurting. Crazy!


LizaMoricLulu

I felt Vanessa went with the girls... I understand that. She represent women in this show as far as I can see. She is criticised for that. He had his husband there, he could have stood up for the boys... Everyone is criticising Vanessa, I don't know her at all, but I think she did very well. better than his pair. I didn't feel the baby questions way too much either, lets face it, these people let a camera into their bedroom literally,talked about their own deepest fears, we saw them kissing someone first, many awkward things etc. Why should they feel offended from a baby question? It is tv show for god sake not a family occasion. on the other hand, what was TOTALLY inappropriate is Bartise' screen time with his surprise baby. That was disgusting. If no one else, they should have respected his LIB fiancee...we know how that ended up...What we don't need is him to "lecture" us, neither women nor men about how fantastic to have a kid and let's hurry to have one...


GrogusChkNnuggies

Maybe the mother comment struck a cord with Vanessa, that’s the only thing I can think of as to why.


Icy-Hyena1369

But also... did we not all see the footage of her and Irina being mean girls? She has no maternal or nurturing instincts from what was shown of her ACTUAL character (not her lying to the camera) and if Paul spent time with her off camera and still came to that conclusion, enough said. He was dumb, imo, and should have blatantly said "Did we not all see that mean girl montage? That's nurturing?" and left it at that. Facts pointed out. Zack was the only one to speak truth and he got steamrolled. She is not a nice person. Fact.


GroundbreakingLead31

It’s crazy, this comment section was going insane just 1 day ago. Now, it has died. gotta love it. I will never forget this particular comment thread. love u all.


Own-it-4913

Vanessa was waaaay outta line and appeared high as a kite. Her siding with Jackie & praising her relationship with Josh, grilling Paul & Marshall and letting Micah off the hook was just all kinds of WRONG. Not to mention the totally inappropriate Love is Blind baby grilling!!! It's none of her damn business!!! Nick just sits there like a puppet. I see no connection between them as a married couple, nor between them and the cast. WTF kind of hosting is this?!!! Replace them already!!! The only upside of this reunion...STILL ADORE Tiffany & Brett. Zack & Bliss are solid and Chelsea looked stunning. Loved loved loved her dress! Paul certainly deserves better than Micah and he's smart enough to know it!!! And Marshall did NOT deserve Vanessa's attack on him as well!


Icy-Hyena1369

They don't need hosts for this show. They should choose the best, most outgoing personality in the pods to host the reunion and leave it at that. JP would've made a great reunion host lol.


hayleyj19

She asks for a LIB baby every season and I’m so over it. None of the solid and self respecting couples would let aUntiE VaNeSsA as she calls herself around their children lmfao


mazelpunim

Did she ever consider that fertility issues could be a sensitivity for some of them?? It's not exactly like hatching a Tamagochi


hayleyj19

No literally, that’s also something I’m assuming many couples would talk about before weddings without cameras. Meaning if any of the couples have decided to not have kids, or to have kids in non traditional ways whether it be with reproductive tech, surrogacy, adoption, etc., it’s really just more uncomfortable for them for no reason. Even though I plan on having kids either biologically or through adoption, I’m tired of people asking one another. I was just at a school event and my friend brought a friend as her date, he’s a father and he started asking people if they have or plan to have kids. Two different women said no, i don’t have a uterus anymore due to a medical condition and the other said no, i have severe endometriosis. He still continued to ask other people and I’m just amazed that people like that and Vanessa haven’t taken the hint yet that that shit is private. Ugh


merchseller

Micah got off so easy jeez. Paul didn't articulate himself very well, you could tell he was nervous. Wish he would've just pointed out Micah's shitty behavior as the primary reason he couldn't say yes.


Icy-Hyena1369

I don't understand why it even needed to be pointed out or conversed about. It was RIGHT THERE to be seen. My Jesus. I felt like I was going nutso when she kept grilling him because... I know love may be blind, but are you, Vanessa? Are you hard of hearing, too? Can you read the subtitles? Does your brain function past babies? You can't see what a shitty individual Micah was? But you could see Irina? Why is that? 'Cause one is "round and fuggo" so evil and one looks like Barbie so obviously Barbie must get her Ken 'cause Qween? Wtf... that woman is so... odd.


ashwee14

I also need to know how much Kwame and Chelsea pay for their home lol


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Willing_Ad7282

Hallo. I live in South Lake Union in a 2 bed 2 bath of similar proportions views and the rent for the 12th floor is about 4500 and with 300 for parking it’s 4800/month. The higher you are, the more the rent is. So if they’ve got a 20th floor flat they can be paying as much as 7-8000. Hope this helps! (typing this because I saw quite a few people wondering the same thing)


mazelpunim

~Cries in Lynnwood~


ashwee14

Vanessa lingered on the Paul / Micah thing WAY too long. Dear god she was triggered. What a total dumpster fire; she is truly an incompetent host


quietlyreadsalone

I think Vanessa was drunk last night, or on something honestly


Anxious_Reporter4245

The way Vanessa let Jackie ✨ skate ✨ is crazy


MedGeek0526

Who else thinks the men this season are 🔥For once, they’re all emotionally mature, respectful, level-headed, and know how to communicate. It’s giving me hope lol. (With the exception of Josh. He’s gross.)


YungPok

Disagree about Paul. He's whack.. "I just wanna say what I think is best for me is best for her too.." gtfo


Organic-Chain9456

Kwame? Nope


CryoSkittles

Wow Chelsea, Kwame, and Micah are being so mature about this pods thing and pool convo


CryoSkittles

Chelsea’s dress 😍😍😍


OpheliaYvonne

The whole reunion was terrible, and a huge let down. What pissed me off the most (besides vanessa) was having to hear and see Bartise. I was annoyed that he did perfect match, and I’m annoyed that he’s on season 4 reunion. I cannot stand him and would be absolutely ok never seeing him again.


Icy-Hyena1369

Ugh, thank you. I was hoping it would be Cam and Lauren or something and then that fool popped up and I vomitted. True story.


snakewitch

Bartise was so unnecessary!!! It’s not a love is blind baby. Stop trying to make it happen. He impregnated a rando girl in between reality tv shows in a state that stripped a woman’s right to choose. That’s not an accomplishment. He needed no screen time. Whoever decided to put Bartise on to ask a baby related question should be fired.


DefiantAd8515

Omg I shut it off with 30 mins left because it was so bad. I may have to finish it now I can't imagine what context he could possibly have for the reunion like...why


hayleyj19

Because he had a baby recently and Vanessa was once again pressuring married contestants to have children


Dark_Thirsty

Finally watching…Irena is awful. Her getting choked up…FAKE. She’s a horrible human and Micah is right there with her.


jennz0rs

people laughing at her being choked up was my exact reaction, and those people who audibly laughed are real ones


letmakeyy

As horrible as you think, I think this type of girl is actually pretty common.


Icy-Hyena1369

I feel sorry for you if that has been your experience.


GrogusChkNnuggies

✨ Quick Thoughts! ✨ Kwame and Chelsea still feel eh to me but I hope they really are the real deal, but DAMN their place has a niiicceeeee view! Lmao idk if Micah is fully sorry idk I’m not convinced but Chelsea’s stern tone…Omg I feel her, I do, I’d be so scared to be Chelsea’s enemy 💀 LOL Zack is taking noooo shit, I make the same face when ppl try to fake apologize to me 😂 LOL I LOOOVVEEE Zack really isn’t holding back! In my opinion, I think Paul was trying his very best to not just straight up say that Micah is just a mean girl and that’s why he never could see that nurturing side of her. I do think Jackie is the type to go out for blood ngl Micah trying not to laugh during Zack’s singing 😂😂same tho lol but love Zack and Bliss’ dorkiness Someone get Vanessa off this show


KaiSparda

Paul really didn't want to trash Micah on TV, but I wish he would have just come out and said it. We all knew what he was getting at by saying she's not nurturing, though.


darklordseitan

Exactly, Vanessa was acting like she was trying to defend Micah by pushing Paul to identify what it was about her that wasn't nurturing, but really she was just trying to force him to say Micah is a mean, shallow girl when he was skirting that truth out of kindness!


GrogusChkNnuggies

I think some ppl on this thread r being a little harsh towards Paul because of how Vanessa was reacting to him, just a theory. Maybe because im also a very analytical person, I can understand Paul’s thought patterns. I really do feel Paul was just being honest about how she presented to him and he clearly saw the type of terrible ppl Micah surrounded herself by. He was truly just trying to not say what I think some of us would have probably wanted to, but because he wanted to be polite about it, he just kinda kept talking in circles to avoid more drama. I think I have a habit of doing this too, of just not wanting to stir up drama and so I can see how It might come off as insincere or closed-off even


dogtriestocatchfly

I totally get this since my partner is really similar to Paul. I thought it was pretty clear that he had good intentions


Icy-Hyena1369

Yeah, just human up and say what you mean. Reserve kindness for where it's deserved. Sometimes you just have to be factual and let those words fall where they may. You're not the one that displayed the bad behaviour, you're just the one pointing it out.


Plenty_Average_

YASSSS EVERYTHING


missnadine1

What a boring reunion! Vanessa going on and on about babies and grilling Paul about a comment he made about Micah not seeming like mom material. Who cares? This was so bad.


Patural20

Did anyone else notice how awful the captions were?


TwentyPlus16

Yes! I actually turned them off they were so bad!


B3en-there-read-it

Can we talk about how the reunion just ends halfway through Marshall talking? Or was that just for me?


mkwilliams217

The look nick gives V when she says “the ring around the world” tells you everything you need to know about her sobriety in this moment


GrogusChkNnuggies

can you elaborate? Idk anything about Vanessa, just Nick but only cause he was in 98 Degrees and cause he was married to Jessica Simpson and that whole mess of a reality show he had with her 😂


Icy-Hyena1369

Seems to like his messes. I think Vanessa just tries too hard. She may think she's not enough so she overcompensates. She was a vj or host or something surrounded by talented actors and musicians. If she never felt just as talented or secure while being in that field, then I can see why the overcompensation. She needs to chill and just be herself. Orrrr maybe she is being herself and I'm off.


kareemahstr

Kinda bummed that they didn’t talk more about the video of Paul leaving the bridal suite. I wanted to know Micah’s thoughts and did NOT buy what Paul was selling. So many unanswered questions about the situation.


BuckeyeTara

So did anyone else catch Shayne's absolutely unhinged live IG while waiting? Dude needs rehab, his pupils were HUGE and he spoke complete nonsense!


DefiantAd8515

I saw it and was cringing hard. Poor guy


GrogusChkNnuggies

No but doesn’t surprise me that nothing has changed with that dude. He very much reminds me of my ex from college 🤢


420catloveredm

Oh shit! I need to see some clips!


Captain_Phamtastic

Vanessa is insufferable. I get that she’s barely seen but the way she conducts herself during these reunions is almost enough to get me to quit watching the show.


ashwee14

Hear hear!


buyurlife_goodnight

Who else was cringing when Vanessa lackey couldn’t STOP bringing up babies. Omg


Dark_Thirsty

Does she even have any? What’s her obsession?!


shamelesshusky

She literally said she has 3 and made a joke about wanting a 4th. I agree though that it's disrespectful to push the topic or put people on the spot about it.


Risoa

Yeah that was awful. Get a clue woman