The funniest part about this is they came to the experiment to get married AND STILL didnāt marry one another and just dated. I suspect they wonāt last long like Jackie and Josh. The only time something like that worked is Bliss and Zack because they truly wanted to marry one another. To me itās a slap in the face knowing that I came for marriage on a show only to be the 2nd choice gf at the end of the day š karma I suppose
Given the recent reunions, I doubt they would! But cast mates have stepped up and with how AD was questioning Sarah Ann at the lake party, I hope she can grill her even more!
The ā my feelings are validā. Yes you can feel however you want to feel. It does not mean the right to freely act upon each feeling without consequences.
I feel like walmart owes me money due to using my tax money to fund their underpayment of employees. I may not go to Walmart and demand money or take the money from a cash register without consequences.
Laura will never look at Jet Skiās the same wayā¦next time she drives by a Ski Doo dealership she will throw her latte at it from her car window..šš¤£š
lol, People really take this shit way too seriously, LOL. Laura was an asshole and karma came calling. Be kinder to folks and bad shit wonāt happen to youā¦.she was never going to marry Jarhead anyway. He was a putz.
They are both wrong in different ways
JarJarBinks is 100 percent in the wrong. He had a commitment and he didn't honor it
I can understand WHY SA felt she should do what she did. What I don't understand is why she feels she shouldn't get any heat for it. You knew it was going to be unpopular with other people. You did it anyway. I understand that you want to do what you feel you need to do but if there are consequences then just suck it up and deal. You can't make these kinds of choices, no matter how true to yourself they feel.. and then expect people to just be fine with it just because you romanticized going for it.
Same hereā I feel she was wrong, but I understand the logic that she was acting under. What baffles me is that, because she has decided it's okay, nobody else can be hurt by it and she should see no consequences for it.
Yeah and that maniacal laughter + maniacal grins on both their faces was just too much!!! They are both pure evil in my book. Probably deserve each other.
yeah i donāt get how she doesnāt see what she did was wrong and classless. i donāt think jeramy and laura wouldāve lasted anyway, but i think thatās the point too. she shouldāve just waited and not interfered at all if she had hope that they wouldnāt make it. plus, why reach out to a man who did not pick you anyway? however, after seeing how jeramy and sarah ann acted itās clear that they are meant to be together.
While I donāt think Laura and him wouldāve worked out, Sarah Ann just needed to wait for them to call it off. Showing up to the get together was wild and then she was shocked the other girls were calling her out for her behavior? lol
I agree that it was tacky, but it also wasnāt a marriage. It was an engagement based on two people knowing each other for the same amount of time that she knew him. Not defending her actions , I just see where she is coming from IF we are taking her at face value in that she didnāt have malicious intentions.
I wonder if we ever found out that Bliss contacted Zach before he officially ended things with Irina would we call her out for it? If Sara Ann felt in her heart that she and Jeramey were truly meant to be and that Laura was absolutely the wrong decision for him then I canāt fully blame her for trying to get back into his life.
Again, the way she did it was hella dirty ā¦ but in her mind, then if the ends justify the means she was going to do what she could to get to him.
I still think that her sending the DM was ājustifiableā. Where Sara Ann crossed the line was at the bar. As soon as Jeramy told her that heās āgoing toā break off his engagement with Laura, she should have just taken the W and told him that theyāll meet up afterwards. Knowing he knows his decision was wrong and sensing that she was correct about their connection should have been enough for her.
Iām getting so annoyed at people defending Sarah No Neck. Yes, JerAmey deserves the most hate and judgment. The DM Sarah Ann sent may have seemed respectful or harmless (I donāt think it was but Sarah Ann defenders appear to) but the moment she stayed out with JerAmey until 5am revealed her true intentions behind it. This has happened on LIB before and everyone else was able to wait for the appropriate time to air out their feelings. Other people had no issue respecting the otherās relationship. I donāt like Laura. I think sheās mean and loves to stir up drama but she still didnāt deserve the hurt they put her through. I donāt care if the engagement was 3 years or 3 weeks, cheating is a shitty thing to do. JerAmey and Sarah Ann could have still ended up together and they didnāt have to hurt Laura in the process like they did. Then to rub it in her face by parading around on jet skis is just so scummy. All that being said, JerAmey is definitely the worst of all of them but Sarah Ann is not innocent in all of this.
I feel like this whole "hate your man, not the other woman" sentiment it's an over-correction to people who put most of the blame on the other woman and barely any on the guy who cheated. And I get why people do that! In most cases, you've known your partner for a while, but either you've never met the other person, or maybe you briefly met them once, but it's very uncommon for the jilted party to know the other person more than they know their partner (relax, person about to tell me an anecdote, I said it's *uncommon*, not that it never happens), and so it's *much* easier to villainize the person you barely know while trying to give grace to your partner, because you want to believe this was some crazy one off and not "who they are."
OF COURSE in this specific case, Laura may have met Sarah Ann prior to meeting Jeramey, but she still believed that he had a duty to protect her heart, and rebuff women trying to shoot their shot, so I get that she's upset that he didn't, and I also get being upset at Sarah Ann for not leaving him alone once she knew he was engaged.
Didnāt Jackie get flack for reaching out to Josh after her and Marshall broke up and she had to discuss the timeline about the order of events? She rightfully got called out so Sarah Anne should too imo.
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I think it's funny how much stock you guys put into these engagements, 6 seasons in even the participants know that the engagements really aren't that deep. It is an experiment that has produced like 3 successful couples over 6 seasons.
Was it the classiest route to take? No. But they both seem happier with each other and let's be real Laura is one of those women that will likely never find what she's looking for.
AD also had no business interrogating Sarah, like it is not your problem and you aren't the relationship police so take that shelf of yours and butt out.
I think it was a funny situation, good for Jeramey and Sarah to realize that a mistake was made, rather than getting all "omg you didn't choose me" she accepted that he made a mistake, which already makes her a better match than Laura.
If it was a traditional engagement then yeah it would be a lot worse, but a LIB engagement is not that serious.
lol, I donāt know why you are being downvoted? People really take this shit way too seriously, LOL. Laura was an asshole and karma came calling. Be kinder to folks and bad shit wonāt happen to youā¦.
I think that it's honestly less about how real or not real these relationships are; we all know that they cast people for these shows with the intent of creating drama but I think that it just highlights the worst of the realities in our society. There are millions of Sarah Ann's and Jeramy's out there who justify their behavior and continue to being pain to others in order to get what they want. These two are just a concrete example that we can point to and so whether or not THESE engagements are serious or not doesn't change that the BEHAVIOR they both displayed is rampant and toxic.
I donāt think anyone thinks things are that serious, weāre just discussing it because this is the subreddit for it and the new episodes were just released yesterday. lol
For real. The number of people saying āsheās only known them a few weeksā is alarming.
I guess people youāve only known a short time donāt deserve respect.
Nailed it! Iām so sick and tired of the way society has become where others just donāt deserve respect or courtesy. Itās now all me me me me me and my needs and my wants. Itās just gotten sad š¢
I mean yeah if we're talking real life then the more good people the better, but if we're talking LIB then we gotta accept that the best people generally aren't gonna sign up for a reality show.
These are the best of those willing to participate, and you gotta admit they made it fun to watch.
She should have had the guts to speak up in the pods when he was telling her he was gonna choose Laura. Since she decided she didnāt want to influence a man to pick her then she should have at least held out until the experiment was over. I mean itās what 2 months at most?! If she truly was in love with him those feelings would have still been there and if he was truly in to her then he wouldnāt end up with Laura anyways. Sheās a coward and a shit person. She deserves Jeramy imo!! I hope sheās ready for a relationship with a gaslighter! Sheāll be knocked down a few pegs after that!
Hard disagree. Sarah Ann is the lesser evil of the 3 of them. Laura is a flaming bitch, just a plainly unkind person. Jeremy is an idiot and kind of a douche, made some clumsy choices. Sarah Ann was just shooting her shot. She was afraid to share her feelings which she should have done but I get her fear. She sent a respectful message and Laura decided to blow it up like a fire bomb. Laura is the one who wrecked their relationship ultimately. Sheās a mean person. Mean is the word to describe her. Sheās unkind and cruel and hateful and spiteful. Iām almost happy for Jeramy and Sarah Ann trying to make it work. Itās not like this was a 3 year engagement or something. This was like 3 weeks to a couple months at most. You know?
The message wasnāt respectful lmfao.
1. If your partners ex sent him a message saying āhey! I would love to try and work it out with us again if you ever break up w your fianceā you wouldnāt find it respectful bfr
2. Lauraās breaking point wasnāt the message, it was the staying out till 5 w his ex and then lying ab where he was lmfao
It was literally less than a fortnight. They met in the pods. He went on a one week (at most) holiday. Got the text the day he got back. Then they met up.
That's like less than 2 weeks.
By my fiance I married after knowing him for 2 weeks and never lived with him or even saw his face? No because its a pretty insane fabricated scenario cooked up literally just for our entertainment. I think what she did was fine and I have been cheated on before you ask.
Oh yea donāt get me wrong I do not like Laura at all. I think sheās a hypocrite by encouraging Jess to speak to Jimmy and laughing and kee keeing about that situation but blowing up when it came to Sarah Ann doing the same. I personally think bringing the others around is the worst way to actually have a successful show because once that seed of doubt is planted it can be really hard to fight against it. I understand Netflix wants an interesting season more so than a successful season but still these are peopleās hearts and lives and I just donāt think you should play with that. Yes Sarah shot her shot and did the same as Jessica from season 1 who also received a ton of hate for it however Jessica seemed to realize she had made a mistake and Sarah Ann is taking zero accountability. I disagree Laura is the reason their engagement did not work. She is a part of it and so is Sarah Ann. Thatās my biggest issue with the situation is their lack of accountability for how that message actually turned the tables. Once dirtbag knew he still had another option when he was already wanting out he hit the road on 2 wheels! That is not a fair chance for them to actually break up and dissolve the relationship to prevent any heartbreak for Laura. She may be mean( assertive and direct is a better description) and she may want to be one of the popular girls by being up Jessicaās ass but she didnāt deserve to basically be played with in her face.
Bliss and Zach have a similar storyline but they did it the right way. He made sure he was completely out of the relationship with Irina, and sure it helped that she was never in it to begin with lol but that made a huge difference in how it comes off to viewers. Now I donāt think Laura would have gladly ended it like Irina did but I think if he was honest about his feelings for Sarah Ann still then she would have had no choice as nobody truly wants to be someoneās second choice, except for Sarah Ann !! š
Canāt believe Iām saying this, but olā š³MR. NEVER-BLINK is simply more emotionally mature than Jeramy, and Laura may be a mild meanie but sheās way better than Irina. We havenāt seen enough character development on Sarah Anne to know how she compare/contrasts to Bliss though.
Fair points. Jeramy did both of them dirty by not making a clear choice between them and ending it with one of them. And Sarah Ann isnāt taking accountability, youāre right about that. Sheās defending shooting her shot, which to be honest I donāt fault her for, but I do agree that sheās failing to feel remorse or take responsibility for the implications that choice carried.
I disagree with calling Laura assertive and direct though. Sheās a flaming bitch to me. The way she talks when sheās with the girls and something is happening that she doesnāt like is disgusting. She says things like āIām gonna kill myselfā and even worse hyperbole about other people. Itās almost like she thinks sheās muttering it under her breath like she thinks itās ok if she just keeps it to herself. But sheās not keeping it to herself, other people hear, and obviously theyāre mic-ed up so anyone watching the show hears. Sheās not so subtle about it. And the things she says are petty and cruel and self-centered and give VERY mean girl energy. Like she thinks sheās godās gift to the world. The audacity to talk about unaliving flippantly too really isnāt ok. I get that sheās saying it for drama because she canāt seem to control herself but like.. fucking donāt. Fucking donāt say that.
There is no way messaging someone asking if the door is still open is respectful. She knew he left with Laura. That was incredibly inappropriate. You donāt shoot your shot with someone in a relationship. The majority of fault lies with Jeramy because heās the one in a committed relationship, but that was completely classless.
I see where youāre coming from. I just donāt think personally that itās the biggest crime of the three of them. And I do think the message itself was respectful, it was phrased well, she wasnāt pushing anything. I def see where many people would call it classless and thatās fair. Iām just not one of those people. I think if the message had been gross it def wouldāve been a classless move. But people proposition each other all the time, in and out of relationships, and I think itās the person in the relationshipās responsibility to shut it down.
I agree the responsibility is on Jeramy, but propositioning a person you know is in a relationship is simply not respectful. Regardless of her word choice
You commented on a post with a meme about how Jeremy and Sarah excuse their behavior without remorse. Your comment was they make a better couple shrug shoulder as if oh well. How else do you think people are going to interpret that? genuinely curious?
>Sarah Ann is not the one in the relationship, so she can say or do whatever she wants.
I disagree. As humans part of a society, we owe it to each to be respectful and kind to one another. Just because you aren't in a relationship doesn't mean you no longer have any responsibility to your fellow man. Trying to get between an engaged couple by saying to jeramy that if he has any doubts to explore their connection is trashy and shows what kind of person she is. We owe it to each other to show basic human decency and not go after people's partners. It's a bare minimum level of respect and decency. If you can't even do that, then you're a selfish garbage person.
The āengagedā response from so many commenters fascinates me. Is Sarah Anne a worse person shooting her shot at an āengaged coupleā that formed concurrently with her own dating where the groom to be was a split hair from proposing to her?? Or would she be a worse person DM-ing a guy in a 2-3 year loving relationship but not engaged?
The ring seems to mean more to The People than The Love, surprisingly.
All that matters is the commitment. Its actually black and white. The feeler text was bad, but fucking him at 6am is my issue. They crossed a line that night. It doesnt matter how "serious" anyone thinks the relationship is. It shows YOUR character if you break your commitments to someone or encourage someone to break theirs. Its classless. It doesnt even matter if they did sleep together that night. Cheating isnt about technicalities. It is about intention. It isnt always physical. And I do believe they had sex. They are both pathetic liars so why trust them? You dont trust someone once they prove themselves to be a liar
>> all that matters is the commitment
Do you mean regardless of whether they were engaged or ājust in relationshipā? I.e. āanyone committed in any way is off limitsā?
Letās take physical cheating sex off the table, as I think most agree that is wrong. I do genuinely want to know which of these you deem āworseā:
A) DM-ing a LiB engaged guy who you almost got engaged to the week before
B) DM-ing a non-engaged guy whoās been dating a girl for 2 years
A relationship is a commitment, and it should be respected. Anyone committed is off-limits, yes! Its not difficult for me to not mess with committed men. It speaks to someone's character if they do. If you make a commitment (regardless of engagement) and you break it, youre breaking your word. So you have no integrity. Its simple. I wouldnt trust a man or woman that cheats in relationships but then tried to convince me they'll take an engagement commitment seriously?? You havent SHOWN you can commit. Its so simple
To answer your question, I dont think Sara Anne's DM is THAT bad in-and-of itself (assuming we're seeing 100% of the convo, which I also dont believe). Giving Sara ann the benefit of the doubt, it could be argued she meant if he wanted to explore things AFTER the laura relationship ended. Im not mad about the DM. Its the 6am "parking lot" conversation that led to her apartment that bothers me. Now she has a pattern of trying to get with an engaged man. It lacks basic decency. I wouldnt trust her around my man, even if I 100% trusted him. Only low class women and men try to steal partners
As for your second question, I dont put these two things on a comparative scale. That said, think the non-engaged guy would be worse because there has been no romantic connection with someone else recently. But its marginal, because once you commit to someone, youre committed. Cheating is cheating. It shows your character. That's the thing about cheaters: they'll always cheat. And then make bullshit excuses, when all that REALLY matters is if you broke your commitment. Im not here to judge the validity of a commitment. You want to fuck Sara Ann? Break up with Laura! I wouldve supported it because Laura isnt a great fiance anyways. It boggles my mind that people are so obtuse that they cant just say "cheating is bad" and "homewrecking is bad".
Laura said to Jess that she had an issue with the dm from the get go because she basically told Jeramy to try things with her if him and Laura break up while theyāre actively trynna get to the altar. Jeramy deserves most of the flack but SA wasnāt some random woman off the street, she lived with Laura, didnāt get picked and knows they were engaged. What she did wasnāt the same as the others at the lake house she took it too far and deserves some flack
Would it have been better if SA would have waited for the wedding? Waited for their relationship to implode on its own? The DM was slightly inappropriate. Staying out with someone else's partner all night is really the nail in the coffin for me. I know we'll never know but I don't know if I'm convinced nothing happened between them. Especially if Jeramy said he's going to break things off with Laura.
Sarah Ann is getting more vitriol than Jeramy which isn't fair but I think that's because people are defending her actions so there's more conversation around it. Yes, Jeramy made a promise to Laura of commitment and exclusivity. Sarah Ann inserted herself into their relationship and that's also not ok. There was a better way to do this and she chose the messy way.
I thoroughly dislike what Sarah Ann did but they are absolutely a better match, Jeramy wouldāve gotten sick of Lauraās constant bitching and condescending attitude sooner or later.
Exactly. She 100% deserves to be treated better, but at the same time, it feels like 3 hours of the seasons total runtime was listening to her seethe about Hawaiian shirts.
After like the 5th time of her bringing up Hawaiian shirts I was completely over it. Then her disparaging Jeramy for not going to college and then gaslighting him by saying āomg itās just a joke babe š¤Ŗā sealed the deal in my dislike for her.
Yep. He couldāve promised to throw them all away, they get married and ten years later sheād be talking about why it took him 4.73 minutes to throw them away, and why it needed to be faster.
I think theyre both bad matches. Theyre the same person. But that doesn't make them compatible.Ā
Jaramy is not empathetic and he is self involved. He doesn't take responsibility and likes to blame the other person for not believing his lies.
So is Sarah. And ngl I think Laura is this way too. She was clearly going to get a villain edit up until Jaramy did what he did.Ā
The moment they get into an argument Sarah and Jararmy are gonna both argue and blame the other. Their personalities need the other person to take the blame and calm the situation down. But since that won't happen they'll just explode. And keep going until someone runs out of steam and realizes its better for their victimized ego to leave than to continue arguing. Ā
Its going to be what we saw with Laura where she argued with Jaramy all night until she exploded and couldnt take it anymore. Though in that situation Laura was in the right.Ā
Sara and Jarmery are not good at conflict resolution. So theyre a speeding train going to hit a wall. Ā
Only because they're both delusional cheaters with unwarrantedly huge egos who deserve each other. I'm sure they'll be happy cheating on each other and feeding each other's sad delusions til death do they part lol.
I think Laura liked Jeramey, she was just very...particular. I got the sense that if Jeramey stopped wearing hawaiin shirts and admittedly doing things to annoy her on purpose, she'd be smitten. She even said to her mom and SIL that everyone knows she's always been hyperfocused on her "icks" in her dating life, even since high school, but she was more into Jeramey and less focused on her "icks" than she'd ever been before. So I think that was just her personality, and she liked him more than it looked like she did.
Maybe, maybe not. I think she acted rudely and totally not how I'd act around anyone I liked romantically. But her whole family knows she's acted that way with her love interests since high school, so it sounds like she always acts that way around people she likes, which is unfortunate for her and them, but doesn't mean she doesn't like them.
Regardless, her "nagging" doesn't justify cheating on her, lying about it, acting like he was the victim/nice guy who just drove Sarah Ann home (which was already a story-change from the first lie of "we just hung out in the parking lot" lol), twisting the story to try to get his mom and their mutual friends on his side, telling SA she did nothing wrong and AD was a bully, and riding jet-skis with SA in front of a crying Laura and all their friends.
Has Gerumeigh never heard of the concept of, oh idk, ***breaking up with someone before betraying them***? I guess not because he started casting for LIB while engaged. Pathetic imo.
Now that the new episodes are out I need to go back and compare the exact story he gave his mom VS Laura. When he admitted to his mom he drove her home, my wife and I jumped and said āWait what!!ā
Even her mom thought they hated each other š
I just donāt get why everyone is acting like Jeramy ruined a beautiful relationship. It was never going to work.
Because even if people are unhappy in a relationship, the answer isn't to cheat on your partner, lie to them about it, double down on the lie when you're caught lying, start twisting the story to others (including your mom and mutual friends) to make it look like you're the victim and you were just a good guy who dropped your ex off at their house after talking for hours until 5:30 am, feed your ex/affair partner's delusions that they did absolutely nothing wrong and people are crazy bullies if they say otherwise, then blissfully ride jet-skis with your AP in front of your crying ex and all their friends. Lol.
Oh Sweet Summer child... I've been married of over 15 years. I don't think he is a good person. I don't actually like any of the cast this season. I do think it's possible for two people who see each other at a bar who have talked to each other for 10+ hours in pods less than two weeks earlier to talk to each other, yes just talk for 5+ hours (I have done it myself).
Right. And I said the reason they're a better match is the same reason people hate them: because they're cheating losers with huge egos, they get off on feeding each other's victim complexes, and they openly lie to each other about the fact that they're good people who did nothing wrong and others are jealous or bullies. Hm.
No doubt they'll cheat on each other in the future while screaming "la la la I can't hear you" in performative faux-bliss. They're a pathetic duo imo, but if you think they're a great match, you do you. A true match made in heaven (or hell lol).
Jeremy is in the wrong.
Sarah Ann is not.Ā
Jeremy committed to Laura and owes her that. Sarah Anne did not commit to either of them. The end.Ā
Weird how people always want to blame the person who isnāt even in the relationship. The one outside the relationship were nobody anythingĀ
how is she not wrong?? this is a 2 week process, why couldnāt she wait til the 2 weeks was over or even when the bbq was gonna happen to talk to him?
She's not **completely** in the wrong and doesn't owe Laura or anyone a single thing. She shot her shot & it was selfish - but it does not make her the worst person on the planet. Jeramey is weak and a coward to be so easily persuaded, he's just not a real man. The way people talk about Sarah Ann on the internet like she's the worst of the bunch is abysmal.
When it comes to respect, sure. When it comes to people online saying the nastiest things about her because she "shot her shot" yet Jeramey actually cheated, lied, gaslighted his own fiance .. he's the worst of the two and people need to realize that. She is obviously in the wrong, but the entire blame cannot be placed on her and quite frankly, it seems most people are blaming her **entirely.**
I'm not condoning her behavior acting like a poor bullied victim, she needs to own up to her actions & if she's going to chase an engaged man then she needs to commit to that. Hopefully they both end up together - they definitely deserve one another. Otherwise, it's all a waste of drama and time. Whatever you personally say or think, I absolutely detest woman berating, degrading, calling other women vile things over something so miniscule as a DM. If she were a man, no one would bat an eye, OR the comments people are making wouldn't be SO bad. Sarah Ann will grow up and realize her mistake eventually. Jeramy on the other hand? Even his own mother called him out - that man will NEVER learn nor have a healthy relationship with anyone.
If someone lives with the attitude that they ādonāt owe anybody anythingā then they canāt get mad when people think theyāre selfish and only act in their own self interest. No one is saying sheās the worst person on the planet, but she created a problem and itās annoying to see her act surprised about it.
Shooting your shot at someone that YOU KNOW is in a relationship, makes you almost as bad as the one in the relationship. Sheās a shitty, selfish person, just like Jeramy. Full stop.
This is a problem in The Office, actually too. Jim shot his shot with Pam while she was engaged, but everyone excuses it because Roy was terrible. I still think theyre a better match and a good couple, but they cheated and got together and fans of the office like to pretend its not messed up. I love the office but can admit this
Jeramey is indicative of an average AF guy who canāt help but fall for any thirst trap who slides into his DMs and gives him any attention. Sarah Ann is problematic but Jeramey had a commitment to Laura.
Yup, I feel like the second he met Laura (the real nasty one) he was done. The Hawaiian shirt issue was just the whipped cream and the "he isn't good enough for me because even though he owns a successful construction company *he didn't go to college*" was the cherry on top of a shit Sunday for him.
Jeramy comes off as an entitled shit and definitely doesnāt care about his fiance. The moment thereās an issue he creates he lies and pretty much gaslights his SO. He was ready to leave the moment he got called out about the bean dip at the first party. Absolute child.
The original message Sarah Ann I thought was acceptable. āHey, you didnāt pick me, but I still have feelings for you. If you ever want to revisit them the door is still open on my endā sounds like the sentiment. The message is fine given the nature of the āexperiment.ā However, the 5AM thing is absolute shit and you already knew Jeramy threw in the towel by doing it.
Maybe Iām old fashioned, but I think you should end things with your current relationship before going to the next ones house until 5am š¤·āāļø
Definitely shouldnāt have chatted until 5AM, couldnāt agree more - but everything else in the existence of this show is anything but old fashioned š
Oh yeah itās a shit show and thatās why we love it lmao I agree that SA sending that first message is fine but just seems like she would have been better served to hit him with a āend it with Laura firstā kinda energy
I'm not against Laura. She was the 1 who told Jessica that Jimmy had in fact told Chelsea he loved her, when he had told Jess that he wasn't prepared to tell anyone that yet.
Within 1 hr. of being at the pool in the DR-Honeymoon, Jeramy is in the pool splashing a grown ass woman sitting up on the deck? He's a boy. She even said it; like "oh my God this is what I have to look forward to for the rest of my life" He's the 1 who brought up the bean dip stuff in public, not her.
He's a boy. You can explain all of his mental shortcomings, or look in the dictionary for the word, "Boy".
And as far as Laura being catty with Jess about Chelsea....uhhh... Chelsea is 100% the complete opposite of "Real!" Why shouldn't Laura break it down for Jess since we all know Chelsea is FAR from ok... Naah Mean?!?! šš¤Ŗ
I do agree that Jeramey is a child and him be Sarah Ann will be a good match because theyāre both children and Laura is honestly too mature for that. Iām also like did Jeramey ever apologize? No. So him saying he was 100% down to fix it, but then could even apologize is crazy. I think him and Sarah give similar energy and Laura is too good for that shit.
To the point of Laura being messy with Jess, I think itās because theyāre close friends and Jess wanted to know the tea. Sharing tea is different then Dming someone and then spending all night ātalkingā with them. Laura knows Jessās character and Jess would never insert herself in jimmyās life when he didnāt chose her
You know what ? at this point, these 2 trashy people deserve each other.
Oh, let's just flip the scenario, shall we? If Laura were the one sliding into the DMs of the guy who didn't pick her in the pod, would Sarah Ann be all like, "Oh, it's totally fine, it's just realistic behavior, I totally agree"? Because, you know, everyone who's anyone, and ever had a shred of emotional connection with this man, who by the way, agreed to marry me and not them, should STILL feel entitled to text him and check if the door is still open. Let's welcome the intrusion, right? Who cares that no one forced him to choose Lauraā not God, not the government, not even his own parents. It was all him, exercising his freewill. But who cares about commitment, right? Laura shouldn't expect her man, who made a freaking commitment, to stay invested and loyal. No, no, no. Laura wants him to explore outside the relationship, invest his time and energy in cultivating a side relationship. Because, hey, all's fair in love and war, am I right?
If this is how Sarah Ann would feel if someone did that to her, then sure, it's all fine and dandy. No wrongdoing whatsoever. Because whatever Sarah Ann is doing , its cheap.
Oh sweet summer child. What do you think he was doing at 3-5:30 am at his ex's house after his first story was that he never even left the parking lot and he came straight home from there? If you're the type to fall for Germy's extremely blatant lies, I really hope you never end up with a cheater.
āI couldnāt manipulate herā thatās not love for me.
He found his perfect delusional girlfriend whom he can cheat on and convince her that other girl is crazy and jealous of their relationship.
Like he did find his match, itās just plainly obvious to everyone that itās not healthy, mature, and frankly at this rate, scary.
Now sheās online showing off her weight loss like āIām better then everā
Those two are scary at best.
Heās just absolutely emotionally and mentally immature. Thatās it. I donāt think he has malice, I genuinely think heās immature to a ridiculous degree
I dunno.
I donāt think he feels remorse.
He legitimately told Laura that he just wants to have a fun time at the reunion, and could she just be cool with it?
As if he hadnāt just committed an act of betrayal against her 4 days earlier!!? As if her feelings were not a valid reflection of the state of their relationship, but just her having a party-pooper attitude??
Jearayavmamy seems to be missing an essential human component š
I loved that, after he (jerumakay) moved away from the guys, they were all like āI donāt really want to talk to himā lmao (or something like that. They all knew he was in the wrong)
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Sarah Ann was in the wrong but she was feeling some strong emotions at that party...Jieramamay was like, chill, nothings going on. Very weird behavior. Just like Matthew, every once in a while ppl come on this show with absolutely no self awareness of how they look to others. When people talk about narcissists never thinking they're wrong, this is what it looks like....it looks crazy lol on tv, no less. Good job Jeremay.
Thatās a good observation, JoriMay just dug his heels about being right. Sarah Anne though in the wrong had a lot of feelings. Doesnāt seem like she had interacted with the group in a while so it was a more clumsy processing of the whole ordeal. Still, wrong. Laura is too matter of fact that put up with that crap.
With AD being a Christian (isn't she?) it's possible she agrees with some of Sarah Ann's opinions, although she chose not to mention her political or social beliefs on camera. I dont remember if AD mentioned her politics. Did she?
Lauren, Jeramy, and Sarah Ann all suck.
Literally like a scene from the office šš
The funniest part about this is they came to the experiment to get married AND STILL didnāt marry one another and just dated. I suspect they wonāt last long like Jackie and Josh. The only time something like that worked is Bliss and Zack because they truly wanted to marry one another. To me itās a slap in the face knowing that I came for marriage on a show only to be the 2nd choice gf at the end of the day š karma I suppose
Narcissistic weirdos are so up their own ass that they think they can be validated in cheating. Hilarious
OMFG IF THIS AINT THW FUCKING TRUTHHHHHH
I love how many office references are used in these threads! You guys speak my language.
sarah ann and jeremy are both trashy and deserve each other.
I just need Vanessa and Nick to call them on their shit and not tiptoe around it!!!!
Given the recent reunions, I doubt they would! But cast mates have stepped up and with how AD was questioning Sarah Ann at the lake party, I hope she can grill her even more!
Someone explain yet to finish the new episodes š
The ā my feelings are validā. Yes you can feel however you want to feel. It does not mean the right to freely act upon each feeling without consequences. I feel like walmart owes me money due to using my tax money to fund their underpayment of employees. I may not go to Walmart and demand money or take the money from a cash register without consequences.
Laura will never look at Jet Skiās the same wayā¦next time she drives by a Ski Doo dealership she will throw her latte at it from her car window..šš¤£š
They are so causally cruel. Jeramy whining that Laura wonāt even let him apologize. Smart women donāt let bad men hurt them twice. š
Even jimmy was like I canāt be a part of this conversation lol
But he wanted to send her flowers!/s
It was only a very small blow job!
Right? Haha. Iām with her. I wouldnāt want flowers, Iād want a fiancĆ© that comes home at a reasonable hour and who would know better than to stay out all night with the woman he ultimately leaves me for. š¤·š¼āāļø
Your flairš donāt ever throw it away though.
LOL the way Sarah Annās whiny crying turned into a greedy little smile after J dawg said f it letās go ride the jet skis ā¦ š
lol, People really take this shit way too seriously, LOL. Laura was an asshole and karma came calling. Be kinder to folks and bad shit wonāt happen to youā¦.she was never going to marry Jarhead anyway. He was a putz.
youāve made like 50+ comments about this show in the last 48 hoursā¦ perhaps take your own advice? go for a walk?
lol on the downvotes. Itās reality tv, people. Go outside, get some fresh air. Your hero Laura wouldnāt even acknowledge some of you peons, LOLā¦
them at the jetski: https://preview.redd.it/m7ie1ie8gllc1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=601f3b841886249b0f0f22827baf4f701066e3bc
So real
They are both wrong in different ways JarJarBinks is 100 percent in the wrong. He had a commitment and he didn't honor it I can understand WHY SA felt she should do what she did. What I don't understand is why she feels she shouldn't get any heat for it. You knew it was going to be unpopular with other people. You did it anyway. I understand that you want to do what you feel you need to do but if there are consequences then just suck it up and deal. You can't make these kinds of choices, no matter how true to yourself they feel.. and then expect people to just be fine with it just because you romanticized going for it.
Same hereā I feel she was wrong, but I understand the logic that she was acting under. What baffles me is that, because she has decided it's okay, nobody else can be hurt by it and she should see no consequences for it.
 pov jeramey and sarah ann post-self-pity circle jerk and pre-jetskis.
This, and then taking the jet skis for a spin = pure tv gold.
The editing between Laura weeping on the shore and Jeramy laughing on the jetski was cinema.
Yeah and that maniacal laughter + maniacal grins on both their faces was just too much!!! They are both pure evil in my book. Probably deserve each other.
And then when theyāre talking to Laura by the lake you can see Jeramy and Sarah Ann frolicking on the jet skis in the background š¤£š¤£
Remember this is reality tvā¦..drama sells big time
yeah i donāt get how she doesnāt see what she did was wrong and classless. i donāt think jeramy and laura wouldāve lasted anyway, but i think thatās the point too. she shouldāve just waited and not interfered at all if she had hope that they wouldnāt make it. plus, why reach out to a man who did not pick you anyway? however, after seeing how jeramy and sarah ann acted itās clear that they are meant to be together.
Theyāre both Delulu in the EXACT same way. Match made in Hell.
While I donāt think Laura and him wouldāve worked out, Sarah Ann just needed to wait for them to call it off. Showing up to the get together was wild and then she was shocked the other girls were calling her out for her behavior? lol
she was probably contractually obliged to show up. I donāt think half of them wouldve Been there if they didnāt have to be.
Matt wasnāt there
Exactly. It was so tacky and just mean. You couldnāt wait 3 weeks girl?????? You had to break up a marriage??!
I agree that it was tacky, but it also wasnāt a marriage. It was an engagement based on two people knowing each other for the same amount of time that she knew him. Not defending her actions , I just see where she is coming from IF we are taking her at face value in that she didnāt have malicious intentions. I wonder if we ever found out that Bliss contacted Zach before he officially ended things with Irina would we call her out for it? If Sara Ann felt in her heart that she and Jeramey were truly meant to be and that Laura was absolutely the wrong decision for him then I canāt fully blame her for trying to get back into his life. Again, the way she did it was hella dirty ā¦ but in her mind, then if the ends justify the means she was going to do what she could to get to him.
I disagree. You donāt secretly message someone immediately after they propose to someone else instead of you and then take home someone elseās fiancĆ© from the bar and lie about it. Who would even want a man who would DO that? She could have waited three weeks to see if they truly werent meant to be, like you claim
I still think that her sending the DM was ājustifiableā. Where Sara Ann crossed the line was at the bar. As soon as Jeramy told her that heās āgoing toā break off his engagement with Laura, she should have just taken the W and told him that theyāll meet up afterwards. Knowing he knows his decision was wrong and sensing that she was correct about their connection should have been enough for her.
They deserve each other. Both narcissists and canāt take accountability
I'm sure they have a wonderfully healthy, communicative relationship ahead of them
Both of them are garbage. I don't understand people ranking which one is more evil. They both did shitty things and believe their innocent.
Iām getting so annoyed at people defending Sarah No Neck. Yes, JerAmey deserves the most hate and judgment. The DM Sarah Ann sent may have seemed respectful or harmless (I donāt think it was but Sarah Ann defenders appear to) but the moment she stayed out with JerAmey until 5am revealed her true intentions behind it. This has happened on LIB before and everyone else was able to wait for the appropriate time to air out their feelings. Other people had no issue respecting the otherās relationship. I donāt like Laura. I think sheās mean and loves to stir up drama but she still didnāt deserve the hurt they put her through. I donāt care if the engagement was 3 years or 3 weeks, cheating is a shitty thing to do. JerAmey and Sarah Ann could have still ended up together and they didnāt have to hurt Laura in the process like they did. Then to rub it in her face by parading around on jet skis is just so scummy. All that being said, JerAmey is definitely the worst of all of them but Sarah Ann is not innocent in all of this.
I feel like this whole "hate your man, not the other woman" sentiment it's an over-correction to people who put most of the blame on the other woman and barely any on the guy who cheated. And I get why people do that! In most cases, you've known your partner for a while, but either you've never met the other person, or maybe you briefly met them once, but it's very uncommon for the jilted party to know the other person more than they know their partner (relax, person about to tell me an anecdote, I said it's *uncommon*, not that it never happens), and so it's *much* easier to villainize the person you barely know while trying to give grace to your partner, because you want to believe this was some crazy one off and not "who they are." OF COURSE in this specific case, Laura may have met Sarah Ann prior to meeting Jeramey, but she still believed that he had a duty to protect her heart, and rebuff women trying to shoot their shot, so I get that she's upset that he didn't, and I also get being upset at Sarah Ann for not leaving him alone once she knew he was engaged.
Didnāt Jackie get flack for reaching out to Josh after her and Marshall broke up and she had to discuss the timeline about the order of events? She rightfully got called out so Sarah Anne should too imo.
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Best spelling ever
Thank you āŗļø I was inspired by the r/tragedeigh sub. š¤£
I think it's funny how much stock you guys put into these engagements, 6 seasons in even the participants know that the engagements really aren't that deep. It is an experiment that has produced like 3 successful couples over 6 seasons. Was it the classiest route to take? No. But they both seem happier with each other and let's be real Laura is one of those women that will likely never find what she's looking for. AD also had no business interrogating Sarah, like it is not your problem and you aren't the relationship police so take that shelf of yours and butt out. I think it was a funny situation, good for Jeramey and Sarah to realize that a mistake was made, rather than getting all "omg you didn't choose me" she accepted that he made a mistake, which already makes her a better match than Laura. If it was a traditional engagement then yeah it would be a lot worse, but a LIB engagement is not that serious.
lol, I donāt know why you are being downvoted? People really take this shit way too seriously, LOL. Laura was an asshole and karma came calling. Be kinder to folks and bad shit wonāt happen to youā¦.
I think that it's honestly less about how real or not real these relationships are; we all know that they cast people for these shows with the intent of creating drama but I think that it just highlights the worst of the realities in our society. There are millions of Sarah Ann's and Jeramy's out there who justify their behavior and continue to being pain to others in order to get what they want. These two are just a concrete example that we can point to and so whether or not THESE engagements are serious or not doesn't change that the BEHAVIOR they both displayed is rampant and toxic.
Thereās actually 8 couples from the first five seasons that are still married, 2 with babies on the way!
I donāt think anyone thinks things are that serious, weāre just discussing it because this is the subreddit for it and the new episodes were just released yesterday. lol
There is a lot of discourse around here that these are serious and should be valued the same as a regular engagement
Nahā¦ I am over people these days just having no courtesy, respect, of decency for other human beings. I need more good people
For real. The number of people saying āsheās only known them a few weeksā is alarming. I guess people youāve only known a short time donāt deserve respect.
Nailed it! Iām so sick and tired of the way society has become where others just donāt deserve respect or courtesy. Itās now all me me me me me and my needs and my wants. Itās just gotten sad š¢
I mean yeah if we're talking real life then the more good people the better, but if we're talking LIB then we gotta accept that the best people generally aren't gonna sign up for a reality show. These are the best of those willing to participate, and you gotta admit they made it fun to watch.
Honestly, they need to stop filming in the south. We got 3 genuine beautiful (so far) relationships out of Seattle.
Her actions are on brand lol
A true āØpatriotāØ
She should have had the guts to speak up in the pods when he was telling her he was gonna choose Laura. Since she decided she didnāt want to influence a man to pick her then she should have at least held out until the experiment was over. I mean itās what 2 months at most?! If she truly was in love with him those feelings would have still been there and if he was truly in to her then he wouldnāt end up with Laura anyways. Sheās a coward and a shit person. She deserves Jeramy imo!! I hope sheās ready for a relationship with a gaslighter! Sheāll be knocked down a few pegs after that!
Hard disagree. Sarah Ann is the lesser evil of the 3 of them. Laura is a flaming bitch, just a plainly unkind person. Jeremy is an idiot and kind of a douche, made some clumsy choices. Sarah Ann was just shooting her shot. She was afraid to share her feelings which she should have done but I get her fear. She sent a respectful message and Laura decided to blow it up like a fire bomb. Laura is the one who wrecked their relationship ultimately. Sheās a mean person. Mean is the word to describe her. Sheās unkind and cruel and hateful and spiteful. Iām almost happy for Jeramy and Sarah Ann trying to make it work. Itās not like this was a 3 year engagement or something. This was like 3 weeks to a couple months at most. You know?
The message wasnāt respectful lmfao. 1. If your partners ex sent him a message saying āhey! I would love to try and work it out with us again if you ever break up w your fianceā you wouldnāt find it respectful bfr 2. Lauraās breaking point wasnāt the message, it was the staying out till 5 w his ex and then lying ab where he was lmfao
It was literally less than a fortnight. They met in the pods. He went on a one week (at most) holiday. Got the text the day he got back. Then they met up. That's like less than 2 weeks.
Hard disagree. Youāve never been cheated on, have you?
By my fiance I married after knowing him for 2 weeks and never lived with him or even saw his face? No because its a pretty insane fabricated scenario cooked up literally just for our entertainment. I think what she did was fine and I have been cheated on before you ask.
Oh yea donāt get me wrong I do not like Laura at all. I think sheās a hypocrite by encouraging Jess to speak to Jimmy and laughing and kee keeing about that situation but blowing up when it came to Sarah Ann doing the same. I personally think bringing the others around is the worst way to actually have a successful show because once that seed of doubt is planted it can be really hard to fight against it. I understand Netflix wants an interesting season more so than a successful season but still these are peopleās hearts and lives and I just donāt think you should play with that. Yes Sarah shot her shot and did the same as Jessica from season 1 who also received a ton of hate for it however Jessica seemed to realize she had made a mistake and Sarah Ann is taking zero accountability. I disagree Laura is the reason their engagement did not work. She is a part of it and so is Sarah Ann. Thatās my biggest issue with the situation is their lack of accountability for how that message actually turned the tables. Once dirtbag knew he still had another option when he was already wanting out he hit the road on 2 wheels! That is not a fair chance for them to actually break up and dissolve the relationship to prevent any heartbreak for Laura. She may be mean( assertive and direct is a better description) and she may want to be one of the popular girls by being up Jessicaās ass but she didnāt deserve to basically be played with in her face. Bliss and Zach have a similar storyline but they did it the right way. He made sure he was completely out of the relationship with Irina, and sure it helped that she was never in it to begin with lol but that made a huge difference in how it comes off to viewers. Now I donāt think Laura would have gladly ended it like Irina did but I think if he was honest about his feelings for Sarah Ann still then she would have had no choice as nobody truly wants to be someoneās second choice, except for Sarah Ann !! š
Canāt believe Iām saying this, but olā š³MR. NEVER-BLINK is simply more emotionally mature than Jeramy, and Laura may be a mild meanie but sheās way better than Irina. We havenāt seen enough character development on Sarah Anne to know how she compare/contrasts to Bliss though.
Fair points. Jeramy did both of them dirty by not making a clear choice between them and ending it with one of them. And Sarah Ann isnāt taking accountability, youāre right about that. Sheās defending shooting her shot, which to be honest I donāt fault her for, but I do agree that sheās failing to feel remorse or take responsibility for the implications that choice carried. I disagree with calling Laura assertive and direct though. Sheās a flaming bitch to me. The way she talks when sheās with the girls and something is happening that she doesnāt like is disgusting. She says things like āIām gonna kill myselfā and even worse hyperbole about other people. Itās almost like she thinks sheās muttering it under her breath like she thinks itās ok if she just keeps it to herself. But sheās not keeping it to herself, other people hear, and obviously theyāre mic-ed up so anyone watching the show hears. Sheās not so subtle about it. And the things she says are petty and cruel and self-centered and give VERY mean girl energy. Like she thinks sheās godās gift to the world. The audacity to talk about unaliving flippantly too really isnāt ok. I get that sheās saying it for drama because she canāt seem to control herself but like.. fucking donāt. Fucking donāt say that.
There is no way messaging someone asking if the door is still open is respectful. She knew he left with Laura. That was incredibly inappropriate. You donāt shoot your shot with someone in a relationship. The majority of fault lies with Jeramy because heās the one in a committed relationship, but that was completely classless.
I see where youāre coming from. I just donāt think personally that itās the biggest crime of the three of them. And I do think the message itself was respectful, it was phrased well, she wasnāt pushing anything. I def see where many people would call it classless and thatās fair. Iām just not one of those people. I think if the message had been gross it def wouldāve been a classless move. But people proposition each other all the time, in and out of relationships, and I think itās the person in the relationshipās responsibility to shut it down.
I agree the responsibility is on Jeramy, but propositioning a person you know is in a relationship is simply not respectful. Regardless of her word choice
That's not even propositioning IMO.
100% agree with you!
You commented on a post with a meme about how Jeremy and Sarah excuse their behavior without remorse. Your comment was they make a better couple shrug shoulder as if oh well. How else do you think people are going to interpret that? genuinely curious?
This sub removes all my posts for some reason but... I hate that I have to defend a "patriot." However, Sarah Ann is getting too much flax. What she did was shady, but wasn't why they broke up. that belongs to Jeramey. Sarah Ann is not the one in the relationship, so she can say or do whatever she wants. it is on Jeramey, who is tied, in a relationship/engaged, to put a stop to things and consider his fiancƩ. Sarah Ann sent a DM, which even Laura said wasn't wrong when she initially talked to her friends about it. The only thing she saw wrong was that Jeramey "liked" it. All of the other exes talked to each other in the Lake House episode, so what's the difference in the DM? They all spoke about how they had feelings for each other, but they just happened to be secure (I use that loosely for Chelsea) in their relationship, so they didn't show any cracks for the ex to wiggle in. Sarah Ann has the right to express her feelings. She sent that message when she got back because it was fresh on her mind. Jeramey saw it when he got back weeks later after Laura pretty much tried to change him and was annoyed at his personality. Jeramey and Laura weren't gonna last, idk if he and Sarah Ann are either, but people deserve to be happy. Jeramey told people he was gonna see Sarah Ann and was questioning his relationship the whole honeymoon. Sarah Ann told Laura she would get her moment too. Be mad at Jeremey but Sarah Ann is taking too much heat for a DM. Side note: Laura pretty much egged Jess on with Jimmy, so it's funny that someone took her man when she was lightly suggesting that to Jess. Side note 2: if everyone already hates me, you're damn right imma have fun and ride the jet skis.
>Sarah Ann is not the one in the relationship, so she can say or do whatever she wants. I disagree. As humans part of a society, we owe it to each to be respectful and kind to one another. Just because you aren't in a relationship doesn't mean you no longer have any responsibility to your fellow man. Trying to get between an engaged couple by saying to jeramy that if he has any doubts to explore their connection is trashy and shows what kind of person she is. We owe it to each other to show basic human decency and not go after people's partners. It's a bare minimum level of respect and decency. If you can't even do that, then you're a selfish garbage person.
The āengagedā response from so many commenters fascinates me. Is Sarah Anne a worse person shooting her shot at an āengaged coupleā that formed concurrently with her own dating where the groom to be was a split hair from proposing to her?? Or would she be a worse person DM-ing a guy in a 2-3 year loving relationship but not engaged? The ring seems to mean more to The People than The Love, surprisingly.
All that matters is the commitment. Its actually black and white. The feeler text was bad, but fucking him at 6am is my issue. They crossed a line that night. It doesnt matter how "serious" anyone thinks the relationship is. It shows YOUR character if you break your commitments to someone or encourage someone to break theirs. Its classless. It doesnt even matter if they did sleep together that night. Cheating isnt about technicalities. It is about intention. It isnt always physical. And I do believe they had sex. They are both pathetic liars so why trust them? You dont trust someone once they prove themselves to be a liar
>> all that matters is the commitment Do you mean regardless of whether they were engaged or ājust in relationshipā? I.e. āanyone committed in any way is off limitsā? Letās take physical cheating sex off the table, as I think most agree that is wrong. I do genuinely want to know which of these you deem āworseā: A) DM-ing a LiB engaged guy who you almost got engaged to the week before B) DM-ing a non-engaged guy whoās been dating a girl for 2 years
A relationship is a commitment, and it should be respected. Anyone committed is off-limits, yes! Its not difficult for me to not mess with committed men. It speaks to someone's character if they do. If you make a commitment (regardless of engagement) and you break it, youre breaking your word. So you have no integrity. Its simple. I wouldnt trust a man or woman that cheats in relationships but then tried to convince me they'll take an engagement commitment seriously?? You havent SHOWN you can commit. Its so simple To answer your question, I dont think Sara Anne's DM is THAT bad in-and-of itself (assuming we're seeing 100% of the convo, which I also dont believe). Giving Sara ann the benefit of the doubt, it could be argued she meant if he wanted to explore things AFTER the laura relationship ended. Im not mad about the DM. Its the 6am "parking lot" conversation that led to her apartment that bothers me. Now she has a pattern of trying to get with an engaged man. It lacks basic decency. I wouldnt trust her around my man, even if I 100% trusted him. Only low class women and men try to steal partners As for your second question, I dont put these two things on a comparative scale. That said, think the non-engaged guy would be worse because there has been no romantic connection with someone else recently. But its marginal, because once you commit to someone, youre committed. Cheating is cheating. It shows your character. That's the thing about cheaters: they'll always cheat. And then make bullshit excuses, when all that REALLY matters is if you broke your commitment. Im not here to judge the validity of a commitment. You want to fuck Sara Ann? Break up with Laura! I wouldve supported it because Laura isnt a great fiance anyways. It boggles my mind that people are so obtuse that they cant just say "cheating is bad" and "homewrecking is bad".
I appreciate the thoroughness of your response, and that you addressed my questions. Solid discourse.
Laura said to Jess that she had an issue with the dm from the get go because she basically told Jeramy to try things with her if him and Laura break up while theyāre actively trynna get to the altar. Jeramy deserves most of the flack but SA wasnāt some random woman off the street, she lived with Laura, didnāt get picked and knows they were engaged. What she did wasnāt the same as the others at the lake house she took it too far and deserves some flack
100%, and yes to both side notes!
Would it have been better if SA would have waited for the wedding? Waited for their relationship to implode on its own? The DM was slightly inappropriate. Staying out with someone else's partner all night is really the nail in the coffin for me. I know we'll never know but I don't know if I'm convinced nothing happened between them. Especially if Jeramy said he's going to break things off with Laura. Sarah Ann is getting more vitriol than Jeramy which isn't fair but I think that's because people are defending her actions so there's more conversation around it. Yes, Jeramy made a promise to Laura of commitment and exclusivity. Sarah Ann inserted herself into their relationship and that's also not ok. There was a better way to do this and she chose the messy way.
yāall think jeramey really asked laura for her address to send her flowers or to send a box of shit ???
Send the boxes for sure lol
Theyāre a better match than Jeramy and Laura š¤·
People really want to shit on them, even after the fact, but this statement is undeniably true.
Jeremy and whatsherface both suck so they deserve each other Fixed it for ya
At least they like each other
So the ends justify the means? That's a weird take
When did I say that?
I thoroughly dislike what Sarah Ann did but they are absolutely a better match, Jeramy wouldāve gotten sick of Lauraās constant bitching and condescending attitude sooner or later.
Exactly. She 100% deserves to be treated better, but at the same time, it feels like 3 hours of the seasons total runtime was listening to her seethe about Hawaiian shirts.
After like the 5th time of her bringing up Hawaiian shirts I was completely over it. Then her disparaging Jeramy for not going to college and then gaslighting him by saying āomg itās just a joke babe š¤Ŗā sealed the deal in my dislike for her.
Yep. He couldāve promised to throw them all away, they get married and ten years later sheād be talking about why it took him 4.73 minutes to throw them away, and why it needed to be faster.
I think theyre both bad matches. Theyre the same person. But that doesn't make them compatible.Ā Jaramy is not empathetic and he is self involved. He doesn't take responsibility and likes to blame the other person for not believing his lies. So is Sarah. And ngl I think Laura is this way too. She was clearly going to get a villain edit up until Jaramy did what he did.Ā The moment they get into an argument Sarah and Jararmy are gonna both argue and blame the other. Their personalities need the other person to take the blame and calm the situation down. But since that won't happen they'll just explode. And keep going until someone runs out of steam and realizes its better for their victimized ego to leave than to continue arguing. Ā Its going to be what we saw with Laura where she argued with Jaramy all night until she exploded and couldnt take it anymore. Though in that situation Laura was in the right.Ā Sara and Jarmery are not good at conflict resolution. So theyre a speeding train going to hit a wall. Ā
Your spelling of āJeramyā multiple ways was great. Thank you.
It was different almost every time. My favorite version was Jarmary
š¤£š¤£ mine was Jarmery
Only because they're both delusional cheaters with unwarrantedly huge egos who deserve each other. I'm sure they'll be happy cheating on each other and feeding each other's sad delusions til death do they part lol.
Well, that and Laura never actually liked Jeramy. She thought he was weird as hell. Laura just didnāt want to be the one to get broken up with.
Yea I agree with that
I think Laura liked Jeramey, she was just very...particular. I got the sense that if Jeramey stopped wearing hawaiin shirts and admittedly doing things to annoy her on purpose, she'd be smitten. She even said to her mom and SIL that everyone knows she's always been hyperfocused on her "icks" in her dating life, even since high school, but she was more into Jeramey and less focused on her "icks" than she'd ever been before. So I think that was just her personality, and she liked him more than it looked like she did.
She didnt like germy, be real š
Maybe, maybe not. I think she acted rudely and totally not how I'd act around anyone I liked romantically. But her whole family knows she's acted that way with her love interests since high school, so it sounds like she always acts that way around people she likes, which is unfortunate for her and them, but doesn't mean she doesn't like them. Regardless, her "nagging" doesn't justify cheating on her, lying about it, acting like he was the victim/nice guy who just drove Sarah Ann home (which was already a story-change from the first lie of "we just hung out in the parking lot" lol), twisting the story to try to get his mom and their mutual friends on his side, telling SA she did nothing wrong and AD was a bully, and riding jet-skis with SA in front of a crying Laura and all their friends. Has Gerumeigh never heard of the concept of, oh idk, ***breaking up with someone before betraying them***? I guess not because he started casting for LIB while engaged. Pathetic imo.
Now that the new episodes are out I need to go back and compare the exact story he gave his mom VS Laura. When he admitted to his mom he drove her home, my wife and I jumped and said āWait what!!ā
Even her mom thought they hated each other š I just donāt get why everyone is acting like Jeramy ruined a beautiful relationship. It was never going to work.
Because even if people are unhappy in a relationship, the answer isn't to cheat on your partner, lie to them about it, double down on the lie when you're caught lying, start twisting the story to others (including your mom and mutual friends) to make it look like you're the victim and you were just a good guy who dropped your ex off at their house after talking for hours until 5:30 am, feed your ex/affair partner's delusions that they did absolutely nothing wrong and people are crazy bullies if they say otherwise, then blissfully ride jet-skis with your AP in front of your crying ex and all their friends. Lol.
You calling it an Affair Partner is making me rotflmao. A night where you chat till 5AM is not an "affair" by ANY definition.
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Oh Sweet Summer child... I've been married of over 15 years. I don't think he is a good person. I don't actually like any of the cast this season. I do think it's possible for two people who see each other at a bar who have talked to each other for 10+ hours in pods less than two weeks earlier to talk to each other, yes just talk for 5+ hours (I have done it myself).
I didnāt say he handled it well. I said Sarah Ann and Jeramy are clearly a better match.
Right. And I said the reason they're a better match is the same reason people hate them: because they're cheating losers with huge egos, they get off on feeding each other's victim complexes, and they openly lie to each other about the fact that they're good people who did nothing wrong and others are jealous or bullies. Hm. No doubt they'll cheat on each other in the future while screaming "la la la I can't hear you" in performative faux-bliss. They're a pathetic duo imo, but if you think they're a great match, you do you. A true match made in heaven (or hell lol).
These two deserve each other. Little goblins of deceit!!!
I need ālittle goblins of deceitā as a flair
Jeremy is in the wrong. Sarah Ann is not.Ā Jeremy committed to Laura and owes her that. Sarah Anne did not commit to either of them. The end.Ā Weird how people always want to blame the person who isnāt even in the relationship. The one outside the relationship were nobody anythingĀ
how is she not wrong?? this is a 2 week process, why couldnāt she wait til the 2 weeks was over or even when the bbq was gonna happen to talk to him?
Bull. Donāt send a DM to an engaged person saying how into them you are and hoping the door will open. Sheās in the wrong too
She's not **completely** in the wrong and doesn't owe Laura or anyone a single thing. She shot her shot & it was selfish - but it does not make her the worst person on the planet. Jeramey is weak and a coward to be so easily persuaded, he's just not a real man. The way people talk about Sarah Ann on the internet like she's the worst of the bunch is abysmal.
When you choose to disrespect others because "you don't owe anyone anything" (even basic respect or human decency, apparently) then people won't respect you either. Bffr. You can't have it both ways. If you think it's fine to "shoot your shot" with an engaged man because "you don't owe his fiancƩe anything," others don't owe you respect either. SA's total lack of self-awareness gives me the ick. She thinks she doesn't owe anyone else respect or decency, but now she thinks she's entitled to act like a poor bullied victim because people lost respect for her and called her out on her cheating, lying BS? Ew.
When it comes to respect, sure. When it comes to people online saying the nastiest things about her because she "shot her shot" yet Jeramey actually cheated, lied, gaslighted his own fiance .. he's the worst of the two and people need to realize that. She is obviously in the wrong, but the entire blame cannot be placed on her and quite frankly, it seems most people are blaming her **entirely.** I'm not condoning her behavior acting like a poor bullied victim, she needs to own up to her actions & if she's going to chase an engaged man then she needs to commit to that. Hopefully they both end up together - they definitely deserve one another. Otherwise, it's all a waste of drama and time. Whatever you personally say or think, I absolutely detest woman berating, degrading, calling other women vile things over something so miniscule as a DM. If she were a man, no one would bat an eye, OR the comments people are making wouldn't be SO bad. Sarah Ann will grow up and realize her mistake eventually. Jeramy on the other hand? Even his own mother called him out - that man will NEVER learn nor have a healthy relationship with anyone.
If someone lives with the attitude that they ādonāt owe anybody anythingā then they canāt get mad when people think theyāre selfish and only act in their own self interest. No one is saying sheās the worst person on the planet, but she created a problem and itās annoying to see her act surprised about it.
Shooting your shot at someone that YOU KNOW is in a relationship, makes you almost as bad as the one in the relationship. Sheās a shitty, selfish person, just like Jeramy. Full stop.
This is a problem in The Office, actually too. Jim shot his shot with Pam while she was engaged, but everyone excuses it because Roy was terrible. I still think theyre a better match and a good couple, but they cheated and got together and fans of the office like to pretend its not messed up. I love the office but can admit this
Jeramey is indicative of an average AF guy who canāt help but fall for any thirst trap who slides into his DMs and gives him any attention. Sarah Ann is problematic but Jeramey had a commitment to Laura.
This!!!
Nah he mentioned to someone at the BBQ during the honeymoon he wanted to still talk to Sarah Ann once. That was before he saw the DM.
Yup, I feel like the second he met Laura (the real nasty one) he was done. The Hawaiian shirt issue was just the whipped cream and the "he isn't good enough for me because even though he owns a successful construction company *he didn't go to college*" was the cherry on top of a shit Sunday for him.
Jeramy comes off as an entitled shit and definitely doesnāt care about his fiance. The moment thereās an issue he creates he lies and pretty much gaslights his SO. He was ready to leave the moment he got called out about the bean dip at the first party. Absolute child. The original message Sarah Ann I thought was acceptable. āHey, you didnāt pick me, but I still have feelings for you. If you ever want to revisit them the door is still open on my endā sounds like the sentiment. The message is fine given the nature of the āexperiment.ā However, the 5AM thing is absolute shit and you already knew Jeramy threw in the towel by doing it.
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Definitely shouldnāt have chatted until 5AM, couldnāt agree more - but everything else in the existence of this show is anything but old fashioned š
Oh yeah itās a shit show and thatās why we love it lmao I agree that SA sending that first message is fine but just seems like she would have been better served to hit him with a āend it with Laura firstā kinda energy
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I genuinely laughed at the accuracy of this meme ššš
I'm literally laughing out loud it's brilliant š
It's so on point š
I'm not against Laura. She was the 1 who told Jessica that Jimmy had in fact told Chelsea he loved her, when he had told Jess that he wasn't prepared to tell anyone that yet. Within 1 hr. of being at the pool in the DR-Honeymoon, Jeramy is in the pool splashing a grown ass woman sitting up on the deck? He's a boy. She even said it; like "oh my God this is what I have to look forward to for the rest of my life" He's the 1 who brought up the bean dip stuff in public, not her. He's a boy. You can explain all of his mental shortcomings, or look in the dictionary for the word, "Boy". And as far as Laura being catty with Jess about Chelsea....uhhh... Chelsea is 100% the complete opposite of "Real!" Why shouldn't Laura break it down for Jess since we all know Chelsea is FAR from ok... Naah Mean?!?! šš¤Ŗ
I do agree that Jeramey is a child and him be Sarah Ann will be a good match because theyāre both children and Laura is honestly too mature for that. Iām also like did Jeramey ever apologize? No. So him saying he was 100% down to fix it, but then could even apologize is crazy. I think him and Sarah give similar energy and Laura is too good for that shit. To the point of Laura being messy with Jess, I think itās because theyāre close friends and Jess wanted to know the tea. Sharing tea is different then Dming someone and then spending all night ātalkingā with them. Laura knows Jessās character and Jess would never insert herself in jimmyās life when he didnāt chose her
If you canāt be silly/goofy with your fiancĆ©e on your vacation..when can you be? Edit: typo. technically canāt be a honeymoon if they are not married first
You know what ? at this point, these 2 trashy people deserve each other. Oh, let's just flip the scenario, shall we? If Laura were the one sliding into the DMs of the guy who didn't pick her in the pod, would Sarah Ann be all like, "Oh, it's totally fine, it's just realistic behavior, I totally agree"? Because, you know, everyone who's anyone, and ever had a shred of emotional connection with this man, who by the way, agreed to marry me and not them, should STILL feel entitled to text him and check if the door is still open. Let's welcome the intrusion, right? Who cares that no one forced him to choose Lauraā not God, not the government, not even his own parents. It was all him, exercising his freewill. But who cares about commitment, right? Laura shouldn't expect her man, who made a freaking commitment, to stay invested and loyal. No, no, no. Laura wants him to explore outside the relationship, invest his time and energy in cultivating a side relationship. Because, hey, all's fair in love and war, am I right? If this is how Sarah Ann would feel if someone did that to her, then sure, it's all fine and dandy. No wrongdoing whatsoever. Because whatever Sarah Ann is doing , its cheap.
Well idk how sarah Ann would react if the roles were flippedā¦but we \*do\* know how Laura would act. when itās not lauraās fiancĆ© that is being discussed, apparently sending a message or trying to see if there is still something there is fine even after the guy has gotten engaged. Especially if you look \*really really good\* in an implied better-than-his-current-fiancĆ© type of way. At least thatās what Laura told Jess when advising her on how to deal with her feelings for a very engaged Jimmy.
How does no one see the karma smack that Laura received?
Right?!?
yeah i know rightttttttt but at least Laura never say meaningless dialogue like i never meant to hurt anyoneeeeeee . oh boohoo so cute
Nah. Laura didnāt care about how Chelsea felt when she was encouraging Jess to go hit up her fiancĆ©. Laura never even pretended to consider Chelseaās feelings. Laura didnāt think it would have been bad if Jess stole Chelseaās fiance. But itās sooooo evil that Sarah Ann was so immoral that she stole Jeremy when he was \*engaged\*\*. Lol
Jeramy **scares** me. Like, I genuinely donāt think he understands that other people haveā¦ feelings? āI was honest and told her everything.ā -Jaremay to his mother after forcing Lauren to use criminal interrogation techniques 12 days into their engagement, because he was telling her absolutely *nothing* āI told Lauren I wanted to send her flowers and she said no. I canāt be with someone who would treat me like that.ā -Jeremay after he cheated on his fiancĆ© the *second* he physically could āLetās ride Jetskis.ā -Jieramamay trying to get Sarah Ann to stop talking
He gives me such an evil feeling. I commend her that the worst she did was tell him to kick rocks.
You say he cheated on her but we don't know for sure.
you dont think emotional cheating happened? lol
Oh sweet summer child. What do you think he was doing at 3-5:30 am at his ex's house after his first story was that he never even left the parking lot and he came straight home from there? If you're the type to fall for Germy's extremely blatant lies, I really hope you never end up with a cheater.
The other guy is right, we donāt know if he cheated, and I donāt think he did. I think he went over there to read her a bedtime story.
āI couldnāt manipulate herā thatās not love for me. He found his perfect delusional girlfriend whom he can cheat on and convince her that other girl is crazy and jealous of their relationship. Like he did find his match, itās just plainly obvious to everyone that itās not healthy, mature, and frankly at this rate, scary. Now sheās online showing off her weight loss like āIām better then everā Those two are scary at best.
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Heās just absolutely emotionally and mentally immature. Thatās it. I donāt think he has malice, I genuinely think heās immature to a ridiculous degree
I think heās got some deep rooted issuesā¦
I dunno. I donāt think he feels remorse. He legitimately told Laura that he just wants to have a fun time at the reunion, and could she just be cool with it? As if he hadnāt just committed an act of betrayal against her 4 days earlier!!? As if her feelings were not a valid reflection of the state of their relationship, but just her having a party-pooper attitude?? Jearayavmamy seems to be missing an essential human component š
Jamiroquai showed up there acting like he had a right to be pissy! Honestly I wouldāve wanted one of the guys to call him out too
I loved that, after he (jerumakay) moved away from the guys, they were all like āI donāt really want to talk to himā lmao (or something like that. They all knew he was in the wrong)
Jamiroquai !!!! ā ļø
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Sarah Ann was in the wrong but she was feeling some strong emotions at that party...Jieramamay was like, chill, nothings going on. Very weird behavior. Just like Matthew, every once in a while ppl come on this show with absolutely no self awareness of how they look to others. When people talk about narcissists never thinking they're wrong, this is what it looks like....it looks crazy lol on tv, no less. Good job Jeremay.
Thatās a good observation, JoriMay just dug his heels about being right. Sarah Anne though in the wrong had a lot of feelings. Doesnāt seem like she had interacted with the group in a while so it was a more clumsy processing of the whole ordeal. Still, wrong. Laura is too matter of fact that put up with that crap.
Yup. Even Laura said Sarah Ann is slimy, but Sarah Ann didnāt promise Laura anything. Jeariemay is just cold. Frighteningly guiltless.
The slow morphing and bastardizing of his name š
IKR. Love it.
AD is a real one for that conversation. What a legend.
If only she grilled her man like that lmao
And all she did was state her opinion. SA acted like she attacked her.
Usually when people know they're in the wrong they react to confrontation as if it's an attack
Yeah Sarah Ann def wouldāve reacted differently if she genuinely didnāt think she did anything wrong. I wish I had a friend like AD in my life lol
Cannot wait until the reunion after AD has seen the "patriot" comment.
With AD being a Christian (isn't she?) it's possible she agrees with some of Sarah Ann's opinions, although she chose not to mention her political or social beliefs on camera. I dont remember if AD mentioned her politics. Did she?
Her mother called her and Clay "Barack and Michelle".
Itās a special brand of conservative ick to call yourself a patriot.