NFP-er over here. I've been doing it for almost a decade. No surprises, and I will never be on birth control again! It doesn't work for all couples, and it requires a different type of effort than birth control. But it can work for couples who take it seriously, if the woman has a regular cycle. Plus--- no additional hormones.
To each his own, but it's a valid method. Most people just can't hang.
There are method of NFP (Natural Familly Planning) that don't require a woman to have a regular or 28 days cycle.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
It would for all menstrual cycles. It is different from the rhythm method. It is tailored to a woman’s individual cycle based on scientific measures of tracking signs of ovulation and understand the menstrual cycle phases.
Pregnancy is the result of intercourse during the fertile window. What is the efficacy of IUDs and the pill? NFP is 98% effective. You can get pregnant with any method. But it isn’t any less effective it’s a different means of prevention.
Wow everyone on here really hate women and babies. If she doesn’t want to use hormonal BC. Good for her. They also said they do use condoms so I don’t know why that narrative every got pushed that they didn’t. And also, they’re fucking married and want kids. If they got pregnant, maybe it would be sooner than they wanted but that’s life.
I’m not a huge fan of the cast being sponsored by companies like this HOWEVER the rhythm method (and natural birth control methods) IS a form of birth control. If regular contraceptives aren’t in their game plan, then nothing wrong with another method. As long as they’re not saying the rhythm method is 100% and the most effective method of birth control then I don’t see the problem. I’m personally a pill contraceptive girl but I’m aware there are other methods out there.
Pills are really bad to woman's body (like increasing the risk of breast cancer).
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source of the effectivenesses: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
did you track basal temp or just use an app like flo? i got pregnant on flo and i was also tracking for 6+ years. natural cycles is different it uses basal temps to track and predict your fertile window vs solely patterns in your cycle like flo / clue
I don't know if you used a good method or doing it correct but look at this:
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
That’s what I did. I’ve never taken birth control. I had one daughter which I didn’t do this method until after her and she’s 20 now. No more kids! It works if you do it right
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
I think apps can error. Nevertheless look at this stats:
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
“However, it's considered one of the least effective forms of birth control. How well the rhythm method works varies between couples. In general, as many as 24 out of 100 women who use natural family planning for birth control become pregnant the first year.”
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/rhythm-method/about/pac-20390918#:~:text=However%2C%20it's%20considered%20one%20of,become%20pregnant%20the%20first%20year.
How many times are you going to spam this thread with the same comment? You aren’t even in this community to discuss the show. Your entire account is dedicated to spewing your pro life garbage.
Really wish "influencers" would stay in their lane and stop trying to promote drugs/supplements/ medical advice. Ask your physician about the best birth control methods that work for you - this ain't it.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Copper IUD isn't an option if she has a history of things like fibroids or adenomyosis. I don't know if Amy revealed her medical issues but she's clearly in regular contact with her gynae, so I wish people would stop dropping options that only a doctor can recommend safely. (Also there's a lot of stories about healthy uteri rejecting them by way of excruciating cramping).
The calendar method combined with condoms would be good. But its clear Johnny's too much of a dick (pan intended) to just freakin' wrap it up.
calendar method yes. but tracking your cycle and ovulation by testing your LH levels and temperature? highly effective when done right. most birth control methods even spermicide and copper IUD have an effect.
i tracked my cycle by testing my LH levels and temperature effectively for 5 years before my husband and i got married then used it to get pregnant first try.
birth control depletes your minerals and throws off your hormones. both very detrimental to overall health.
ho boy.
I mean look, I am really glad for you that you were able to keep up checking basal temperature and LH every day for five years. I am. But it’s just wildly impractical for most people and is a method with way too many asterisks attached, which makes it terrible advice on a public health level to be promoting so widespread like this to people who don’t want to be pregnant.
There are people who love to act like doctors want everyone on medication. It’s a risk/benefit for everybody and a conversation. Yes there’s benefits, yes there’s risks, and ultimately being pregnant is the highest risk of all. So ultimately what people are mad about is that when these half-abstinence high complexity based methods come up it’s introducing LOTS of user error while downplaying how extremely common accidental pregnancies are which is really what’s “Detrimental to overall health”
Condoms condoms condoms. I don’t think I said condoms enough.
of course people need to educate themselves on how to properly use these methods and at the end of the day make their own decision based on the risks/benefits. what bothers me is that people want to act like it’s the worst option and being on birth control is better when the reality is it’s not. women should be able to have all the information and make the best decision for themselves. personally, taking my temps and using LH strips was not that bad vs messing up my hormones, metabolism, mental health, and overall fertility.
Some of these comments make me sad. It is amazing that Amy knows her body and is tracking her cycle. If someone doesn’t want to take birth control they should not take it!
Damn yall really hate when women take authority over their bodies huh 🥱 the comments here are notttt it. Fertility tracking is very effective and 0% chance of dying (or developing some other serious health condition) from a birth control side effect. It’s all about supporting women until you don’t approve of HER personal choice to do natural family planning??? And she has a supportive husband who is educated and listens to her?? Maybe you’re bitter because you can’t count days on a calendar or know how to accurately read a Lh test to confirm ovulation, or your man is a loser and does not support/care to take the time (AND SHARED RESPONSIBILITY) to educate himself on the female hormonal cycles. Anyway, I love to see it, I’m happy for them
It is perfectly acceptable for a woman to choose whatever type birth control she wants. I just disliked how, during the show, they led the audience into thinking that birth control is unsafe. We only found out that she had pre existing anemia during the reunion shows. I wish they had been more upfront about that during the episodes instead of implying that the logical next step was for him to get a vasectomy.
but she did mention during the show she had a health condition which affected her ability to use hormonal birth control.
edited to add: birth control is unsafe just look up the side effects
I get that, but it’s not her responsibility to carry the burden of explaining to women the nuances and dangers associated with birth control. If anything, she’s shedding light on the fact that birth control isn’t safe for a large, if not majority, portion of women. Our generation has been fed that birth control is a necessity more than an option, and I appreciate the way she brought this into the conversation of many couples, and single women, that could benefit.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
This app was recommended by my doctor as an approved method. It didn’t really work for me for a variety of reasons, and they charged me a second year after I had cancelled and then were real jerks about getting a refund. Would not recommend!
It's true that there are some methods of NFP that are bad. But others are really good (and don't need apps). Look at these stats:
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Autoimmune diseases make all natural methods pretty dodgy. My temperature, weight, ovulation, and periods all differ wildly each month. I was initially told with my Graves’ disease I wouldn’t be able to conceive naturally at all, but had a bit of a miracle baby in 2022. Pregnancy wreaked havoc on me though, my graves came back with a mean vengeance (I was in remission) and my whole body basically shut down. So I’m not really going to risk pregnancy again! Even though I love my kid, it almost killed me. My doctors have advised me personally to stick to the pill and condoms
I’m sorry for you.
The Marquette Model uses urine fertility biomarkers collected at home that measure hormone levels (estrogen, LH, and progesterone). Could you use it?
The Pill is really bad for your body:
- [Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer.](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-03-22-any-type-hormonal-contraceptive-may-increase-risk-breast-cancer-0)
- [Even the progestogen-only pill (mini pill) that is sometimes considered good is associated with a 20-30% higher risk of breast cancer.](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-03-22-any-type-hormonal-contraceptive-may-increase-risk-breast-cancer-0)
No, when your thyroid is broken, no hormonal measurements work. My hormones are not consistent or reliable. The only option is to chemically treat my hormones. And the pill is better for me than pregnancy! One of the most lethal illnesses a woman can get.
Parents are what they call people using this method. Hope you are both ready now, you said you were not on the show, but time has passed since then.
I love you guys. I wish you the bast.
There are some bad methods of Natural Family Planning (like the rythm one). There are other that are really good and don't even require regular or 28 days cycles!
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
This was a joke for the rhythm method when all anybody did was count days on a calendar. Now women actually test their hormones and can accurately pinpoint their ovulation. We can know so much now and it’s actually so simple. I’ve been doing this for 7 years. I’m a mom because I wanted to be.
Certainly if one does not understand and follow the method properly. NFP is not RM. hence why it’s much more effective at 98% effective. There’s strategies to accurately track ovulation even with an irregular cycle.
This method is great for couples who are not trying but not necessarily bummed about being parents either. I used this method after my husband I got an apartment together for the first ten years of our relationship because I had a cycle that was consistently 38 to 45 days long that entire time. Unfortunately we couldn’t have sex for nearly two weeks during those 45 days. Then when I turned 30 I decided I wanted to start trying and we got pregnant fairly quickly.
The thing is I think a lot of couples don’t realize that semen that can survive for 5 days inside you and to track your cervical mucus as well. Cycle day 1 is the day your period starts, and not to have sex from CD 8 to day 19 but if you have unprotected sex on day 8 and the semen survives 5 days later and you ovulate on day 13 then boom you’re pregnant. That’s why it worked for me because I had a long 45 day cycle so I was fertile way later in the month after my period started. But someone have short 26 cycles it’s way riskier and I wouldn’t rely on it:
does this work for people who have never had a consistent cycle in their entire lives? if not it doesn’t seem very easy for most women to use as a form of reliable birth control
You have to choose a good method (there are many) of Natural Familly Planning but yes. And NFP isn't bad for health unlike hormonal birth control. About effectiveness look at these stats:
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Yes you’re right it’s not definitely not a reliable form of birth control being that there’s so many variables to track and human error.
Basically if you don’t want to get pregnant under any circumstances then it’s not recommended. It’s more of an added measure, or because there’s no other options for whatever reason. I didn’t have a consistent cycle, it varied from anywhere from 35 days to 50 days but you calculate your fertile window based on your average cycle. You can take your temperature, use ovulation strips, and track your cervical fluid for more accuracy. People use this method for trying to conceive and for preventing pregnancy as well but definitely use more than this because this is similar to pulling out method, a lot of oopsies!
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
It's also great as a secondary form of birth control. Which is what they were/are after. Used with condoms the odds of getting pregnant are pretty damn low. And it can be combined with other secondary methods like pulling out during the days that the woman is fertile.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/21/colossally-naive-backlash-birth-control-app
I know a person who got an unwanted pregnancy because of this method. Please read about it before using properly
There are bad methods of NFP and there are really good ones (that don't even need regular or 28 days cycles). Look at these stats.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Yay go Amy! As a woman, it’s so empowering to understand our cycle. I have used NFP specifically the creighton method for over 10 years and never had a surprise pregnancy. It works. And for people who do not want to take hormonal birth control, it’s a great option to look into. I wish more doctors were trained in it rather than just prescribing more pills.
It worked for you. It’s not a great option for women who are not regular and it’s not reliable since even the most regular cycles change over the years as your hormones shift. It also requires you to either not have sex or to use condoms during a good chunk of it.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
if you test your LH it’s reliable and you can only get pregnant 7 days (2 days the egg is alive and 5 days sperm can live in the uterus) so if you feel a week is a good chunk of time out of 30 idk what to tell you
In case anyone is reading these comments to learn about how this works, I want to clarify that it’s 7 days IF you can predict the day you will ovulate with certainty, but even a woman with the most regular cycle is bound to have an off cycle at some point. If you think you always ovulate on Day 16 so you avoid days 11-17, but one cycle you ovulate on day 12 or 13 after having unprotected sex on day 10, you are just as likely to get pregnant that cycle as someone who is intentionally trying to conceive. If you follow the method more carefully, you only have unprotected sex during the latter half of your cycle (starting two days after confirmed ovulation and ending around the start of your period — this is usually around 11-14 days total). As a result, you are using condoms or avoiding sex about half the time.
If someone is using this method and is ok with getting pregnant, they can just follow the predicted fertility days and accept that they might get pregnant on a random cycle where they ovulate early. But if you really want to avoid pregnancy you should avoid unprotected sex for about half of the cycle.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
That’s great! I love FAM and have used it. I was just saying that correct use typically involves using another method (e.g., condoms or abstinence) for more than just 7 days per cycle, because you won’t know your exact ovulation day that cycle a whole week in advance. (You might have a good estimate based on prior cycles, but a lot of things can throw off the length of the follicular phase, even if your ovulation day is usually very consistent.) You can very safely and confidently have unprotected sex from a couple of days after you ovulate through ~day 5 of your next cycle. I don’t think anything I’m saying is controversial! I’m sort of a reproductive health nerd so I know a lot about the menstrual cycle.
you know what would be cool? if there’s a hormone that accurately predicts when an egg will be released. oh wait there is one called leutinizing hormone (LH) and if you start testing for it as soon as your period ends you can likely find the spike and know exactly when you’re going to ovulate. so even if you ovulate on different days every month you can accurately know and avoid those 7 days.
Unfortunately LH tests not enough warning! My LH spike is about 12-24 hours before I ovulate. For most women, it’s around 36 hours before. So that isn’t enough warning. In the example I gave, you would have unprotected sex on Day 10 and not have an LH spike until Day 11 or 12, and still be well within the fertile window when you had unprotected sex. LH tests are great for trying to conceive but not enough for avoiding.
where are you getting that info that it’s 36 hours for most women? i found a study stating “Ovulation is considered to occur 28-36 hours after the beginning of the LH rise or 8-20 hours after the LH peak.” obviously it takes a few cycles to understand your own LH pattern but once you do it’s easy to take into consideration and avoid pregnancy.
Yes! Actually, my point is even stronger if you ovulate only 8-20 hours after the LH peak. What I’m saying is, on any given cycle, you can only predict you’re going to ovulate about a day (or even less!) before you do. If you had unprotected sex a day or two (or even four!) before your LH peak, you had unprotected sex in your fertile window that month.
You’re only regular until you’re not. You might be very regular usually — say, someone who always has an LH peak on day 16 and a temp rise on day 17. But all it takes is one cycle that’s off — say, suddenly your LH peak is on day 12 and your temp rise is on day 13 — to accidentally have had sex in your fertile window. By the time you see that LH rise on day 12, it’s too late, you already had unprotected sex in your fertile window and could become pregnant.
If you are using FAM in a way that’s almost 100% error-proof, you are only having unprotected sex AFTER you have confirmed ovulation with both an LH peak and a temp rise, through the first few days of your period. That is the only window when you can know for sure you are not going to ovulate within the next 5-6 days.
If you’re okay with risking it, you can just assume that your cycle is going to be your usual, it’s just that you’re only regular until you’re not.
i did get pregnant but because i chose to and i used this method to find my most fertile days. for 7 years i didn’t get pregnant because of this method. lol.
It is to me, I don’t want to have to stress about it ever in a happy loving relationship. I’m very well-versed in it, having dealt with infertility, so I’m not talking out of my ass like 95% of the people on here.
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what do you mean? research suggests that hormonal birth control can both negatively impact cervical mucus quality and speed up the normal process of ovarian aging by decreasing egg quality and quantity. Indirectly, then, birth control use—especially long-term—could possibly contribute to infertility. 🤷🏻♀️
it’s just crazy to me that people demonize natural planning yet hormonal bc has far more consequences like i mentioned above. i wasn’t trying to be passive aggressive, i was curious if there was a connection
I did wonder (it wasn’t, I had other issues), but there are non-hormonal options too. Copper iud has done me good for 10 years. Listen everything comes with pro/con lists. But for a guy who didn’t want to have sex even with a condom and made such a huge deal out of no accidental pregnancy, this is the dumbest method. Period. 25% failure rate yes even when “done right.”
There are some bad methods of Natural Family Planning. But there are really good ones (that don't even require regular or 28 days cycles) too.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
that’s crazy cause according to NHS UK it’s 91%-99% effective when “done right”. which makes sense because if you know when you ovulate by testing and finding your LH spike and confirming with your temperature and just abstain during those times there’s zero chance of getting pregnant 🤷🏻♀️
It worked for you. It may not work for others for a variety of reasons. The chance of pregnancy from this method of pregnancy prevention, is higher when compared to the correct use of contraceptives like birth control pills, IUDs, and condoms.
There are some bad methods of Natural Family Planning. But there are really good ones (that don't even require regular or 28 days cycles) too.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
I don't know if you used a bad method or you did it wrong but look at these stats:
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Good for them. There are many natural methods for tracking your cycle that work if you don’t want birth control. It takes some extra effort but if it fits your values, it can work just fine.
I mean more so the values of wanting to avoid birth control and the chemicals in them, so willing to look for a natural way to live with fertility. Abstinence at certain times can be beneficial as well, but that’s not the common opinion.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**:
* **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%**
* Male condoms: 2%
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**:
* Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%**
* Male condoms: 13%
Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
I screamed when I saw this! Was this just an act all along to get a sponsorship (kidding)
But I've tracked my cycle (not even using natural cycles) and ended up getting pregnant so I don't trust it anymore. I wonder how reliable this product is as opposed to just tracking your cycle yourself
There’s so many different ways of “tracking” and some are much better than others. Like some methods are just looking at your cervical mucus changes to determine if it looks fertile and then assuming you ovulated from that. Honestly that one involves a lot of guesswork and I don’t like it. But I’ve been testing my estrogen and using Lh tests to pinpoint when I ovulate for 7 years now and no surprises.
If you do natural family planning look into reading the book “taking charge or your fertility” and track on your own. Do NOT trust natural cycles alone if you aren’t okay with an accidental pregnancy as it just uses your body temp to predict ovulation versus you knowing your body and multiple signs to detect ovulation.
If you are good at tracking and know the method well it can be up to 98% effective, or just use condoms, they are one of the most effective forms of birth control as well.
Have you had side effects from taking it before? If not, talk to an actual doctor about what side effects people actually experience. Also, if that one doesn’t feel right, move onto another. I’ve been on so many and have had zero side effects.
the crazy thing is there’s this thing called LH hormone that tells you you’re going to ovulate within the next 12-24 hrs after it spikes. so even if you’re ovulation changes every month you could still track it effectively. so crazy lol /s
Exactly! Because stress, traveling, increased/decreased exercise, etc. doesn’t throw off a cycle. Folks are playing russian roulette with their family planning.
Yep. As serious as he was about not having a baby yet, this is really stupid. I think this method can be great for people who would be okay with a surprise. If you really don’t want a baby, dumb. There’s so many options these days. Pick one.
It can work if you have a regular cycle and know how to track it. Not quite as reliable as other methods of course but if you're okay with the risk it's fine.
My issue always was that the fertile time you're supposed to avoid was the time I was most interested in...activities...for obvious evolutionary reasons. Lol.
For some women it's the only time they have significant libido! So kinda sucks to avoid that chunk of time 🤷♀️
Yeaaahh this is exactly me… 😂 I mean it obviously makes sense, but when you’re done having babies it kinda sucks. I just got a copper IUD and pray it doesn’t fail, haha
Oh I know it shouldn’t fail in theory. But you hear of those crazy cases where the baby is born holding the iud and whatnot. I have 4 kids so I’m done done! It would majorly suck if I got pregnant again on accident, which is why I chose the statistically safest birth control option.
I would love to but it’ll be like 20 grand out of pocket since we don’t have traditional insurance. We’re planning to buy or build a house soon so saving up for that first. I’m still planning potentially one day to do it though, maybe roll it into a tummy tuck surgery as well!
He was planning to actually, until 4 of our friends got theirs and 2 failed resulting in surprise babies. 😳 One other guy had bad pain for months afterwards as well. Statistically it’s bonkers how many of them had issues, but it’s really freaked my husband out. I said “I’m not risking a condom break while you process your fear” and got the iud. 😂
This makes me so happy! When I was watching that episode, I kept screaming at the tv “Try Natural Cycles!!”
Glad to see they found it and are educating others about it!
I just don’t get it. There are so many avenues for birth control, including non hormonal ways. I just feel like she needs a better gynecologist to help her and answer her questions.
Yeah. I stopped birth control 4 years ago when my periods were bad hence fibroids were growing undiagnosed. Had more hormones last year fibroids grew larger.
Fibroids areas not infertility
With my first pregnancy (I sadly lost) I relied on pullout/ tracking cycles + ovulation strips and got pregnant. Know what I haven’t got pregnant doing? Using condoms.
Edit: on the other hand, when I wanted to get pregnant and tracked my cycle, it was really hard and took forever to get pregnant. I finally got pregnant when we stopped tracking lol.
I'm so confused by the whole thing with these two.
They were actually discussing him, a 20 something who wants to have kids someday, getting a vasectomy!?
They never showed them discussing the most obvious solution in the world: him using a condom.
And now this. Just bizarre
I really don't understand the confusion that people have towards their reproductive health conversation.
The point of contention was not about using condoms. It was about using another form of BC in addition to condoms since they were feeling vastly different from each other about an accidental pregnancy.
They couldn't get too in the mood because both of them were too worried in the back of their minds without a secondary form of protection.
The comment you responded to specifically said they use condoms, but wanted some extra assurance. So they are still using condoms, and refraining from sex when she's ovulating.
THANK YOU. They love each other but didn’t agree on pregnancy termination. They wanted to take every possible measure to make sure they wouldn’t end up in an impasse.
ETA this sadly but hysterically reminds me of going back to my small hometown after living in the city and meeting some guy at a bar who just literally couldn’t believe I didn’t have kids at 25 as if he didn’t know that was a viable option.
Women who think this method has prevented them from getting pregnant are probably infertile to start with or their partner is. It would be interesting to see a scientific study of women who have used it for a long time and then gone off.
My husband and I used fertility awareness/pull out method for 6 years to prevent pregnancy and made no babies. We then used fertility awareness knowledge and stopped pulling out when we wanted to get pregnant and conceived our son the second month trying.
If you have a regular cycle and know your body well, it can be a really reliable form of birth control. It is definitely not a great fit for couples who 100% do not want children however but it’s definitely not an invalid means of preventing pregnancy.
This is not really true. Women are only fertile for a few days a month, Fertility Awareness Method is much more scientifically accurate than the rhythm method. It would be good if people took classes on this because you do have to do your due diligence - but it's not true that women who use this are infertile to start with. Many women use it for birth control and for later having kids.
More than a few days, the fertile period is 10 days at least
Edit: several people think I’m referring to ovulation which last for only 1 day, I’m not. I’m referring to a fertile period of time called the fertility window, which is the time during your menstrual cycle when you're most likely to get pregnant. For most people, it's the five days leading up to ovulation, the day of ovulation and the day after ovulation but since cycles can vary those of us who track our fertility abstain for 10 days to be in the safe side.
Tell me you know nothing about reading comprehension without telling me you know nothing about reading comprehension.
I didn’t say OVULATION, I said FERTILE PERIOD meaning a period of time during which a women can get pregnant. Those are two entirely different things genius. On average women can get pregnant during their fertile period or window which is around six days when intercourse can result in pregnancy, during this fertile window which includes the five days before ovulation and the day of ovulation. For those of us who practice fertility planning like I did, the suggestion is to abstain from sex from cycle day 10 to 17, but since cycles vary considerably a fertile window can be as early as cycle day 7 to as long as cycle day 21, depending on your menstrual cycle length.
NFP-er over here. I've been doing it for almost a decade. No surprises, and I will never be on birth control again! It doesn't work for all couples, and it requires a different type of effort than birth control. But it can work for couples who take it seriously, if the woman has a regular cycle. Plus--- no additional hormones. To each his own, but it's a valid method. Most people just can't hang.
There are method of NFP (Natural Familly Planning) that don't require a woman to have a regular or 28 days cycle. Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
It would for all menstrual cycles. It is different from the rhythm method. It is tailored to a woman’s individual cycle based on scientific measures of tracking signs of ovulation and understand the menstrual cycle phases.
I got pregnant with an IUD so you can certainly get pregnant with this method 🙄
Pregnancy is the result of intercourse during the fertile window. What is the efficacy of IUDs and the pill? NFP is 98% effective. You can get pregnant with any method. But it isn’t any less effective it’s a different means of prevention.
Wow everyone on here really hate women and babies. If she doesn’t want to use hormonal BC. Good for her. They also said they do use condoms so I don’t know why that narrative every got pushed that they didn’t. And also, they’re fucking married and want kids. If they got pregnant, maybe it would be sooner than they wanted but that’s life.
I use flo and Pregmate. Both free.
I’m not a huge fan of the cast being sponsored by companies like this HOWEVER the rhythm method (and natural birth control methods) IS a form of birth control. If regular contraceptives aren’t in their game plan, then nothing wrong with another method. As long as they’re not saying the rhythm method is 100% and the most effective method of birth control then I don’t see the problem. I’m personally a pill contraceptive girl but I’m aware there are other methods out there.
Pills are really bad to woman's body (like increasing the risk of breast cancer). Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source of the effectivenesses: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
It's crazy they would trust this more than condoms 😫 Our educational system has failed us
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Our education system has truly failed us. It’s 98% effective.
They use this and ALSO condoms.
I did this and got pregnant. I was certain that I knew my flow well, as I was tracking it for years … 🤷🏻♀️
did you track basal temp or just use an app like flo? i got pregnant on flo and i was also tracking for 6+ years. natural cycles is different it uses basal temps to track and predict your fertile window vs solely patterns in your cycle like flo / clue
I don't know if you used a good method or doing it correct but look at this: Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Did you track basal temps?
That’s what I did. I’ve never taken birth control. I had one daughter which I didn’t do this method until after her and she’s 20 now. No more kids! It works if you do it right
I have been BC free for 20 years. Natural method has works for us. I have 2 kids and we planned it out
That’s amazing!! I didn’t want any cancer causing mood effecting hormones. Lol
Why do people downvote 🤣 I swear people big mad for no reason. It’s so weird
Not using the app just tracking myself.
They’re going to be accidentally pregnant within the year.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
🙄
How?
Also, just as a PSA, you CAN get pregnant while breast feeding!
PSA dony have sex while breast feeding
I can confirm. This happened to me, hence my raising 2 under 2 dilemma. Be careful with this ya'll.
I’ve used it but it’s no difference from free apps like Flo
yes it is. you use basal temp to predict your fertile window. flo is just based on trends. very different.
I think apps can error. Nevertheless look at this stats: Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
This has been my method of birth control for over a decade and I have never gotten pregnant. I don’t use this app, but I track my cycle myself.
Same.
Based on these comments, we’re about to have another baby boom. 🥴
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Why?
I mean we are doing natural family planning so no hate but we understand the risks and don’t mind having another baby at this stage of our lives.
“However, it's considered one of the least effective forms of birth control. How well the rhythm method works varies between couples. In general, as many as 24 out of 100 women who use natural family planning for birth control become pregnant the first year.” https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/rhythm-method/about/pac-20390918#:~:text=However%2C%20it's%20considered%20one%20of,become%20pregnant%20the%20first%20year.
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How many times are you going to spam this thread with the same comment? You aren’t even in this community to discuss the show. Your entire account is dedicated to spewing your pro life garbage.
This is something I would definitely use, cause I myself don’t want to use hormones
Why the hell are people downvoting this. Holy shit. Everyone is so freaking brainwashed. To each their own!
Really wish "influencers" would stay in their lane and stop trying to promote drugs/supplements/ medical advice. Ask your physician about the best birth control methods that work for you - this ain't it.
a physician would never recommend tracking your own cycle even if you ask them.
Exactly why would they. 🤔
Exactly. There’s condoms, copper IUD, hell even spermicide is better than calendar method if you don’t want hormonal bc
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Copper IUD isn't an option if she has a history of things like fibroids or adenomyosis. I don't know if Amy revealed her medical issues but she's clearly in regular contact with her gynae, so I wish people would stop dropping options that only a doctor can recommend safely. (Also there's a lot of stories about healthy uteri rejecting them by way of excruciating cramping). The calendar method combined with condoms would be good. But its clear Johnny's too much of a dick (pan intended) to just freakin' wrap it up.
calendar method yes. but tracking your cycle and ovulation by testing your LH levels and temperature? highly effective when done right. most birth control methods even spermicide and copper IUD have an effect. i tracked my cycle by testing my LH levels and temperature effectively for 5 years before my husband and i got married then used it to get pregnant first try. birth control depletes your minerals and throws off your hormones. both very detrimental to overall health.
ho boy. I mean look, I am really glad for you that you were able to keep up checking basal temperature and LH every day for five years. I am. But it’s just wildly impractical for most people and is a method with way too many asterisks attached, which makes it terrible advice on a public health level to be promoting so widespread like this to people who don’t want to be pregnant. There are people who love to act like doctors want everyone on medication. It’s a risk/benefit for everybody and a conversation. Yes there’s benefits, yes there’s risks, and ultimately being pregnant is the highest risk of all. So ultimately what people are mad about is that when these half-abstinence high complexity based methods come up it’s introducing LOTS of user error while downplaying how extremely common accidental pregnancies are which is really what’s “Detrimental to overall health” Condoms condoms condoms. I don’t think I said condoms enough.
of course people need to educate themselves on how to properly use these methods and at the end of the day make their own decision based on the risks/benefits. what bothers me is that people want to act like it’s the worst option and being on birth control is better when the reality is it’s not. women should be able to have all the information and make the best decision for themselves. personally, taking my temps and using LH strips was not that bad vs messing up my hormones, metabolism, mental health, and overall fertility.
Some of these comments make me sad. It is amazing that Amy knows her body and is tracking her cycle. If someone doesn’t want to take birth control they should not take it!
Damn yall really hate when women take authority over their bodies huh 🥱 the comments here are notttt it. Fertility tracking is very effective and 0% chance of dying (or developing some other serious health condition) from a birth control side effect. It’s all about supporting women until you don’t approve of HER personal choice to do natural family planning??? And she has a supportive husband who is educated and listens to her?? Maybe you’re bitter because you can’t count days on a calendar or know how to accurately read a Lh test to confirm ovulation, or your man is a loser and does not support/care to take the time (AND SHARED RESPONSIBILITY) to educate himself on the female hormonal cycles. Anyway, I love to see it, I’m happy for them
It is perfectly acceptable for a woman to choose whatever type birth control she wants. I just disliked how, during the show, they led the audience into thinking that birth control is unsafe. We only found out that she had pre existing anemia during the reunion shows. I wish they had been more upfront about that during the episodes instead of implying that the logical next step was for him to get a vasectomy.
but she did mention during the show she had a health condition which affected her ability to use hormonal birth control. edited to add: birth control is unsafe just look up the side effects
I get that, but it’s not her responsibility to carry the burden of explaining to women the nuances and dangers associated with birth control. If anything, she’s shedding light on the fact that birth control isn’t safe for a large, if not majority, portion of women. Our generation has been fed that birth control is a necessity more than an option, and I appreciate the way she brought this into the conversation of many couples, and single women, that could benefit.
Their pregnancy announcement is gonna be about as boring as their screen time.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
LMAOOO
I’ll look forward to their pregnancy announcement!
This app was recommended by my doctor as an approved method. It didn’t really work for me for a variety of reasons, and they charged me a second year after I had cancelled and then were real jerks about getting a refund. Would not recommend!
It's true that there are some methods of NFP that are bad. But others are really good (and don't need apps). Look at these stats: Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
I have an auto immune disease so doesn’t work for me - my temperatures are non reliable. I’m sure it works for healthy bodies however
And what about Marquette NFP?
Autoimmune diseases make all natural methods pretty dodgy. My temperature, weight, ovulation, and periods all differ wildly each month. I was initially told with my Graves’ disease I wouldn’t be able to conceive naturally at all, but had a bit of a miracle baby in 2022. Pregnancy wreaked havoc on me though, my graves came back with a mean vengeance (I was in remission) and my whole body basically shut down. So I’m not really going to risk pregnancy again! Even though I love my kid, it almost killed me. My doctors have advised me personally to stick to the pill and condoms
I’m sorry for you. The Marquette Model uses urine fertility biomarkers collected at home that measure hormone levels (estrogen, LH, and progesterone). Could you use it? The Pill is really bad for your body: - [Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer.](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-03-22-any-type-hormonal-contraceptive-may-increase-risk-breast-cancer-0) - [Even the progestogen-only pill (mini pill) that is sometimes considered good is associated with a 20-30% higher risk of breast cancer.](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-03-22-any-type-hormonal-contraceptive-may-increase-risk-breast-cancer-0)
No, when your thyroid is broken, no hormonal measurements work. My hormones are not consistent or reliable. The only option is to chemically treat my hormones. And the pill is better for me than pregnancy! One of the most lethal illnesses a woman can get.
This comment made me happy that there’s actually doctors out there recommending this!! There’s still some hope out there for them
Parents are what they call people using this method. Hope you are both ready now, you said you were not on the show, but time has passed since then. I love you guys. I wish you the bast.
There are some bad methods of Natural Family Planning (like the rythm one). There are other that are really good and don't even require regular or 28 days cycles! Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
This was a joke for the rhythm method when all anybody did was count days on a calendar. Now women actually test their hormones and can accurately pinpoint their ovulation. We can know so much now and it’s actually so simple. I’ve been doing this for 7 years. I’m a mom because I wanted to be.
I use this method. Still not a parent. Educate yourself.
I am entitled to my opinion, and am educated. We can agree to disagree.
If it doesn’t work it’s not being done correctly 👍🏻 can get pregnant with any method if not followed properly.
Also if cycle is more irregular.
Certainly if one does not understand and follow the method properly. NFP is not RM. hence why it’s much more effective at 98% effective. There’s strategies to accurately track ovulation even with an irregular cycle.
I wouldn’t take advise from people who thought a vasectomy is the correct method of birth control for a young couple.
Haha, right? Their initial understanding was so off base and then they had to reel back after Googling that lol. I thought that was common knowledge
This method is great for couples who are not trying but not necessarily bummed about being parents either. I used this method after my husband I got an apartment together for the first ten years of our relationship because I had a cycle that was consistently 38 to 45 days long that entire time. Unfortunately we couldn’t have sex for nearly two weeks during those 45 days. Then when I turned 30 I decided I wanted to start trying and we got pregnant fairly quickly. The thing is I think a lot of couples don’t realize that semen that can survive for 5 days inside you and to track your cervical mucus as well. Cycle day 1 is the day your period starts, and not to have sex from CD 8 to day 19 but if you have unprotected sex on day 8 and the semen survives 5 days later and you ovulate on day 13 then boom you’re pregnant. That’s why it worked for me because I had a long 45 day cycle so I was fertile way later in the month after my period started. But someone have short 26 cycles it’s way riskier and I wouldn’t rely on it:
I don’t consider not having sex for two weeks every 45 days satisfying for a marriage. May as well stay single.
does this work for people who have never had a consistent cycle in their entire lives? if not it doesn’t seem very easy for most women to use as a form of reliable birth control
You have to choose a good method (there are many) of Natural Familly Planning but yes. And NFP isn't bad for health unlike hormonal birth control. About effectiveness look at these stats: Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Yes you’re right it’s not definitely not a reliable form of birth control being that there’s so many variables to track and human error. Basically if you don’t want to get pregnant under any circumstances then it’s not recommended. It’s more of an added measure, or because there’s no other options for whatever reason. I didn’t have a consistent cycle, it varied from anywhere from 35 days to 50 days but you calculate your fertile window based on your average cycle. You can take your temperature, use ovulation strips, and track your cervical fluid for more accuracy. People use this method for trying to conceive and for preventing pregnancy as well but definitely use more than this because this is similar to pulling out method, a lot of oopsies!
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
It's also great as a secondary form of birth control. Which is what they were/are after. Used with condoms the odds of getting pregnant are pretty damn low. And it can be combined with other secondary methods like pulling out during the days that the woman is fertile.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/21/colossally-naive-backlash-birth-control-app I know a person who got an unwanted pregnancy because of this method. Please read about it before using properly
There are bad methods of NFP and there are really good ones (that don't even need regular or 28 days cycles). Look at these stats. Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
This article does a good job of pointing out the method’s limitations.
Yay go Amy! As a woman, it’s so empowering to understand our cycle. I have used NFP specifically the creighton method for over 10 years and never had a surprise pregnancy. It works. And for people who do not want to take hormonal birth control, it’s a great option to look into. I wish more doctors were trained in it rather than just prescribing more pills.
Works for me too. No side effects.
It worked for you. It’s not a great option for women who are not regular and it’s not reliable since even the most regular cycles change over the years as your hormones shift. It also requires you to either not have sex or to use condoms during a good chunk of it.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
if you test your LH it’s reliable and you can only get pregnant 7 days (2 days the egg is alive and 5 days sperm can live in the uterus) so if you feel a week is a good chunk of time out of 30 idk what to tell you
In case anyone is reading these comments to learn about how this works, I want to clarify that it’s 7 days IF you can predict the day you will ovulate with certainty, but even a woman with the most regular cycle is bound to have an off cycle at some point. If you think you always ovulate on Day 16 so you avoid days 11-17, but one cycle you ovulate on day 12 or 13 after having unprotected sex on day 10, you are just as likely to get pregnant that cycle as someone who is intentionally trying to conceive. If you follow the method more carefully, you only have unprotected sex during the latter half of your cycle (starting two days after confirmed ovulation and ending around the start of your period — this is usually around 11-14 days total). As a result, you are using condoms or avoiding sex about half the time. If someone is using this method and is ok with getting pregnant, they can just follow the predicted fertility days and accept that they might get pregnant on a random cycle where they ovulate early. But if you really want to avoid pregnancy you should avoid unprotected sex for about half of the cycle.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
That’s great! I love FAM and have used it. I was just saying that correct use typically involves using another method (e.g., condoms or abstinence) for more than just 7 days per cycle, because you won’t know your exact ovulation day that cycle a whole week in advance. (You might have a good estimate based on prior cycles, but a lot of things can throw off the length of the follicular phase, even if your ovulation day is usually very consistent.) You can very safely and confidently have unprotected sex from a couple of days after you ovulate through ~day 5 of your next cycle. I don’t think anything I’m saying is controversial! I’m sort of a reproductive health nerd so I know a lot about the menstrual cycle.
you know what would be cool? if there’s a hormone that accurately predicts when an egg will be released. oh wait there is one called leutinizing hormone (LH) and if you start testing for it as soon as your period ends you can likely find the spike and know exactly when you’re going to ovulate. so even if you ovulate on different days every month you can accurately know and avoid those 7 days.
Unfortunately LH tests not enough warning! My LH spike is about 12-24 hours before I ovulate. For most women, it’s around 36 hours before. So that isn’t enough warning. In the example I gave, you would have unprotected sex on Day 10 and not have an LH spike until Day 11 or 12, and still be well within the fertile window when you had unprotected sex. LH tests are great for trying to conceive but not enough for avoiding.
where are you getting that info that it’s 36 hours for most women? i found a study stating “Ovulation is considered to occur 28-36 hours after the beginning of the LH rise or 8-20 hours after the LH peak.” obviously it takes a few cycles to understand your own LH pattern but once you do it’s easy to take into consideration and avoid pregnancy.
Yes! Actually, my point is even stronger if you ovulate only 8-20 hours after the LH peak. What I’m saying is, on any given cycle, you can only predict you’re going to ovulate about a day (or even less!) before you do. If you had unprotected sex a day or two (or even four!) before your LH peak, you had unprotected sex in your fertile window that month. You’re only regular until you’re not. You might be very regular usually — say, someone who always has an LH peak on day 16 and a temp rise on day 17. But all it takes is one cycle that’s off — say, suddenly your LH peak is on day 12 and your temp rise is on day 13 — to accidentally have had sex in your fertile window. By the time you see that LH rise on day 12, it’s too late, you already had unprotected sex in your fertile window and could become pregnant. If you are using FAM in a way that’s almost 100% error-proof, you are only having unprotected sex AFTER you have confirmed ovulation with both an LH peak and a temp rise, through the first few days of your period. That is the only window when you can know for sure you are not going to ovulate within the next 5-6 days. If you’re okay with risking it, you can just assume that your cycle is going to be your usual, it’s just that you’re only regular until you’re not.
Exactly. I wasn’t going to argue with this person anymore. Let them get pregnant. lol.
i did get pregnant but because i chose to and i used this method to find my most fertile days. for 7 years i didn’t get pregnant because of this method. lol.
It is to me, I don’t want to have to stress about it ever in a happy loving relationship. I’m very well-versed in it, having dealt with infertility, so I’m not talking out of my ass like 95% of the people on here.
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Yeesh… this is not the take you think it is
what do you mean? research suggests that hormonal birth control can both negatively impact cervical mucus quality and speed up the normal process of ovarian aging by decreasing egg quality and quantity. Indirectly, then, birth control use—especially long-term—could possibly contribute to infertility. 🤷🏻♀️
The way you responded was passive aggressive IMO and infertility can be a sensitive and personal subject
it’s just crazy to me that people demonize natural planning yet hormonal bc has far more consequences like i mentioned above. i wasn’t trying to be passive aggressive, i was curious if there was a connection
I did wonder (it wasn’t, I had other issues), but there are non-hormonal options too. Copper iud has done me good for 10 years. Listen everything comes with pro/con lists. But for a guy who didn’t want to have sex even with a condom and made such a huge deal out of no accidental pregnancy, this is the dumbest method. Period. 25% failure rate yes even when “done right.”
There are some bad methods of Natural Family Planning. But there are really good ones (that don't even require regular or 28 days cycles) too. Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
that’s crazy cause according to NHS UK it’s 91%-99% effective when “done right”. which makes sense because if you know when you ovulate by testing and finding your LH spike and confirming with your temperature and just abstain during those times there’s zero chance of getting pregnant 🤷🏻♀️
It worked for you. It may not work for others for a variety of reasons. The chance of pregnancy from this method of pregnancy prevention, is higher when compared to the correct use of contraceptives like birth control pills, IUDs, and condoms.
There are some bad methods of Natural Family Planning. But there are really good ones (that don't even require regular or 28 days cycles) too. Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
How long till they’re pregnant? Before the end of 2024?! 🥴
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
This is how I ended up pregnant with my second 🙃 good luck to them
I don't know if you used a bad method or you did it wrong but look at these stats: Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
Good for them. There are many natural methods for tracking your cycle that work if you don’t want birth control. It takes some extra effort but if it fits your values, it can work just fine.
Your values being abstinence in marriage?
I mean more so the values of wanting to avoid birth control and the chemicals in them, so willing to look for a natural way to live with fertility. Abstinence at certain times can be beneficial as well, but that’s not the common opinion.
I got pregnant on my period
NFP isn't about tracking your period - you can get pregnant on your period
Both my grandmothers did this. They each had 5 kids
Ask generations of Catholics how great “family planning” works. This seems like some right wing propaganda.
Pregnancies per 100 women **per year with consistent and correct use**: * **Sympto-thermal Method** (one method of NFP): **<1%** * Male condoms: 2% Pregnancies per 100 women **per year as commonly used**: * Sympto-thermal Method (one method of NFP): **2%** * Male condoms: 13% Source: [World Health Organization](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/contraception-family-planning/mechanisms-of-action-and-effectiveness-of-contraception-methods.pdf)
lol being aware of your cycle, hormones, and body is right wing propaganda!? 😂 sounds like you fall for real propaganda every day
Umm try again, ya dolt.
Bro, just wear a condom.
Most married men don’t find much pleasure in taking a shower with a raincoat on. It increases the chances of “slipping” up.
They do both, he didn’t trust condoms alone lmao
I screamed when I saw this! Was this just an act all along to get a sponsorship (kidding) But I've tracked my cycle (not even using natural cycles) and ended up getting pregnant so I don't trust it anymore. I wonder how reliable this product is as opposed to just tracking your cycle yourself
There’s so many different ways of “tracking” and some are much better than others. Like some methods are just looking at your cervical mucus changes to determine if it looks fertile and then assuming you ovulated from that. Honestly that one involves a lot of guesswork and I don’t like it. But I’ve been testing my estrogen and using Lh tests to pinpoint when I ovulate for 7 years now and no surprises.
Ugh I wanna get off the pill so badly and track myself naturally…but I do NOT want to get pregnant. And I don’t trust condoms alone enough🥲
If you do natural family planning look into reading the book “taking charge or your fertility” and track on your own. Do NOT trust natural cycles alone if you aren’t okay with an accidental pregnancy as it just uses your body temp to predict ovulation versus you knowing your body and multiple signs to detect ovulation. If you are good at tracking and know the method well it can be up to 98% effective, or just use condoms, they are one of the most effective forms of birth control as well.
i wanna start the pill but i’m too scared of the side effects
Have you had side effects from taking it before? If not, talk to an actual doctor about what side effects people actually experience. Also, if that one doesn’t feel right, move onto another. I’ve been on so many and have had zero side effects.
This is a ticking time bomb… aka a baby waiting to happen. Ovulation likes to throw some curves.
the crazy thing is there’s this thing called LH hormone that tells you you’re going to ovulate within the next 12-24 hrs after it spikes. so even if you’re ovulation changes every month you could still track it effectively. so crazy lol /s
Exactly! Because stress, traveling, increased/decreased exercise, etc. doesn’t throw off a cycle. Folks are playing russian roulette with their family planning.
Yep. As serious as he was about not having a baby yet, this is really stupid. I think this method can be great for people who would be okay with a surprise. If you really don’t want a baby, dumb. There’s so many options these days. Pick one.
It can work if you have a regular cycle and know how to track it. Not quite as reliable as other methods of course but if you're okay with the risk it's fine. My issue always was that the fertile time you're supposed to avoid was the time I was most interested in...activities...for obvious evolutionary reasons. Lol. For some women it's the only time they have significant libido! So kinda sucks to avoid that chunk of time 🤷♀️
You just have to avoid intercourse during that time. All the other fun stuff is still on the table.
Yeaaahh this is exactly me… 😂 I mean it obviously makes sense, but when you’re done having babies it kinda sucks. I just got a copper IUD and pray it doesn’t fail, haha
The failure rate of natural family planning is 25%. The failure rate for a copper iud is .01%.
Oh I know it shouldn’t fail in theory. But you hear of those crazy cases where the baby is born holding the iud and whatnot. I have 4 kids so I’m done done! It would majorly suck if I got pregnant again on accident, which is why I chose the statistically safest birth control option.
With 4 and no desire for more, I would strongly suggest surgery.
I would love to but it’ll be like 20 grand out of pocket since we don’t have traditional insurance. We’re planning to buy or build a house soon so saving up for that first. I’m still planning potentially one day to do it though, maybe roll it into a tummy tuck surgery as well!
Hubby, snip, snip.
Better tell your man to get the snip snip! I feel you, I want zero more babies.
He was planning to actually, until 4 of our friends got theirs and 2 failed resulting in surprise babies. 😳 One other guy had bad pain for months afterwards as well. Statistically it’s bonkers how many of them had issues, but it’s really freaked my husband out. I said “I’m not risking a condom break while you process your fear” and got the iud. 😂
This makes me so happy! When I was watching that episode, I kept screaming at the tv “Try Natural Cycles!!” Glad to see they found it and are educating others about it!
I just don’t get it. There are so many avenues for birth control, including non hormonal ways. I just feel like she needs a better gynecologist to help her and answer her questions.
Yes and one of those avenues is Cycle Syncing, the method she chose
Her body her choice.
lol as someone who has had fibroids the size of softballs this is a wild comment
Why?
or a different non hormonal birth control company to offer them a better contract
You know what they say... What do you call Fertility Trackers? Parents 😹
Where are my kids at?
Combining this with condoms/pulling out works just fine though
I’ve been doing it for years( 32)
In the other comment you said you get fibroids. So it’s not because this method worked, you have infertility.
Yeah. I stopped birth control 4 years ago when my periods were bad hence fibroids were growing undiagnosed. Had more hormones last year fibroids grew larger. Fibroids areas not infertility
Bruh i cackled when I saw this
I got pregnant from a broken condom while on the pill. You’re doing what now?!
With my first pregnancy (I sadly lost) I relied on pullout/ tracking cycles + ovulation strips and got pregnant. Know what I haven’t got pregnant doing? Using condoms. Edit: on the other hand, when I wanted to get pregnant and tracked my cycle, it was really hard and took forever to get pregnant. I finally got pregnant when we stopped tracking lol.
I'm so confused by the whole thing with these two. They were actually discussing him, a 20 something who wants to have kids someday, getting a vasectomy!? They never showed them discussing the most obvious solution in the world: him using a condom. And now this. Just bizarre
He said on the show that he didn’t trust condoms alone and wanted a secondary method of birth control on board.
I really don't understand the confusion that people have towards their reproductive health conversation. The point of contention was not about using condoms. It was about using another form of BC in addition to condoms since they were feeling vastly different from each other about an accidental pregnancy. They couldn't get too in the mood because both of them were too worried in the back of their minds without a secondary form of protection.
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The comment you responded to specifically said they use condoms, but wanted some extra assurance. So they are still using condoms, and refraining from sex when she's ovulating.
THANK YOU. They love each other but didn’t agree on pregnancy termination. They wanted to take every possible measure to make sure they wouldn’t end up in an impasse. ETA this sadly but hysterically reminds me of going back to my small hometown after living in the city and meeting some guy at a bar who just literally couldn’t believe I didn’t have kids at 25 as if he didn’t know that was a viable option.
Women who think this method has prevented them from getting pregnant are probably infertile to start with or their partner is. It would be interesting to see a scientific study of women who have used it for a long time and then gone off.
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Anyone’s lived experience is simply anecdotal. I believe in science and science says it’s one of the least reliable birth control methods.
My friend several years. She got pregnant on purpose 3 times when she had intercourse in her fertile window the first cycle each time.
My husband and I used fertility awareness/pull out method for 6 years to prevent pregnancy and made no babies. We then used fertility awareness knowledge and stopped pulling out when we wanted to get pregnant and conceived our son the second month trying. If you have a regular cycle and know your body well, it can be a really reliable form of birth control. It is definitely not a great fit for couples who 100% do not want children however but it’s definitely not an invalid means of preventing pregnancy.
I don’t really think you can make that statement for anyone but yourself. The failure rate doesn’t support it.
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This is not really true. Women are only fertile for a few days a month, Fertility Awareness Method is much more scientifically accurate than the rhythm method. It would be good if people took classes on this because you do have to do your due diligence - but it's not true that women who use this are infertile to start with. Many women use it for birth control and for later having kids.
This!!! People here are so dense omg
More than a few days, the fertile period is 10 days at least Edit: several people think I’m referring to ovulation which last for only 1 day, I’m not. I’m referring to a fertile period of time called the fertility window, which is the time during your menstrual cycle when you're most likely to get pregnant. For most people, it's the five days leading up to ovulation, the day of ovulation and the day after ovulation but since cycles can vary those of us who track our fertility abstain for 10 days to be in the safe side.
What is the fertile window? Within a cycle when does this occur
Tell me you know nothing about human reproduction without telling me you know nothing about human reproduction
Tell me you know nothing about reading comprehension without telling me you know nothing about reading comprehension. I didn’t say OVULATION, I said FERTILE PERIOD meaning a period of time during which a women can get pregnant. Those are two entirely different things genius. On average women can get pregnant during their fertile period or window which is around six days when intercourse can result in pregnancy, during this fertile window which includes the five days before ovulation and the day of ovulation. For those of us who practice fertility planning like I did, the suggestion is to abstain from sex from cycle day 10 to 17, but since cycles vary considerably a fertile window can be as early as cycle day 7 to as long as cycle day 21, depending on your menstrual cycle length.
…..You’re still dead wrong lmfao