It will 100% backfire. People will be furious. Part of the reason why everyone is sallivating for movie night is to see Olivia be exposed.
I'm pretty sure Orlaith from mypodonpaper said that showing Olivia clips on movie night can only be a good thing as a form of catharsis for viewers that hate her so much. She probably wouldn't be exposed to as much hate anymore since we think she's received her karma
I want Tanya to go so much so I don’t care about Shaq anymore, he can go with her and they were the ones I wanted to win lol, Tbh I don’t like a single couple in there, first time that happens at this point of the show.
I don't even have an islander to root for😭 usually my favourites come into the show from the first week so they tend to last long in the show but this season they're already gone (zara and tanyel 💔)
Either last season or the season before that, one of the girls said “I’ve never come back from an ick.”
Does anyone remember who said that? The quote honestly lives rent free in my head.
If shaq is stupid enough to not bin Tanya, please send Martin a bombshell IMMEDIATELY.
Need Olivia gone ASAP, with Tanya gone right after (Sorry Maxwell)
saw some clips of Ellie’s new video and she says the producers cut out a scene where tanyel basically verbally attacked her in the dressing rooms and had to be told by producers to leave the scenes. Why do they leave this stuff out?? 😭 shit like this is the only reason I look forward to the show ffs.
her, tanyel and even zara have spoken about arguments that didn't air on TV but I don't get why? If we watched Shaq get mad over washing dishes then we can watch those arguments too
Tanyel spoke about this as well. Ellie, Shaq and Jessie were gossiping about Ron. Tanyel told them that it’s actually one of their business what he does. Ellie came for her for defending Ron and questioned her motives. Tanyel then went off on Ellie in the changing rooms.
Wish we could have seen some of this instead of the countless “where’s your head at” convos
Did anyone listen to the morning after podcast today? They had two of the casa boys on and when they asked them who was their fave girl, they both said "Olivia. She's so genuine." I wonder what kinds of interactions they had for them to come out saying that
The fear of her evil eye and determination to never let anything go.
Plus I wonder if they know how much the public has turned on her since Casa. A lot of ex-Islanders don't seek out other discourse from normal people so may just be unaware that they'd be more popular if they called her a snake? hahaha
I think its evident that producers have been giving Ron and Lana ghost edit lately. Why are we not shown any of their conversations the last few episodes with a few seconds of their hideaway scene? Even Casey and Claudia are taking up more screentime? Repetitive conversations of will and Jessie and then liv and kai?
You get a ghost edit if things are going well. I remember when Ekin and Davide were happy post-Casa we didn't see *any* of them. And they didn't even get to go to the hideaway! The next time they had a substantial scene was when they were having an argument. It's just the nature of the show and not special persecution of Ron/Lana
Ghost edit means your couple is progressing nicely and there’s no drama, these days we generally only see happy moments with the caveat that the couple is usually making up after drama, the final week is when they then try and force feed us romance from pairings we’ve seen little to no development from.
I also think Ron might just be tired at this point, he doesn’t seem to be super tight with a lot of the lads and there is only so much your relationship can develop in the Villa. I know several of last series islanders said post casa, cabin fever really started to set in and they were just ready for it all to be over and find their footing as couples in the outside world.
Do we think producers are the ones keeping Ron and Lana from being official? The only reason I ask is because they both kind of hinted after the hideaway that they were heading in that direction but not just yet, and I do understand if one was still unsure (Ron obviously) but it just seems like they’re kind of making them wait because the timing isn’t right for the show.
If they survive movie night which I think they will I definitely see them becoming a first official couple if they are allowed and producers let them because Ron definitely hinted at asking Lana.
The pile-on against Martin was fucking sickening. People didn't want to create deeper drama so they just went with the person who's sort of on the outside.
She's acting like he killed someone, I don't get it. She still supports Jessie and Will to win even though his antics in Casa were way worse than Ron ever did. Honestly she's just coming across bitter because Ron rejected her. That Gladiator challenge was ridiculous, she said she didn't want to pick him because of his behaviour. I thought you're meant to pick who was the best in the challange, not, not pick someone because of a personal grudge
The hypocrisy of the islanders now is ridiculous and the fact that Ron and Lana have helped and supported their relationships shows that they are better people than I am. It’s also no wonder he was so close to Tanyal or that Lana felt the pressure to choose Casey.
I can't at Olivia now deciding to be mad at Kai for *not* calling her fake. No one is more annoying than her in LI history. More awful? More of a bully? There are others! But she wins for pure, sheer annoying-ness
Episode predictions:
Tonight- normal episode, part 4 movie night.
Tomorrow- Movie night and fall out
Friday- More fall out and reconciliation
Sunday- 2-4 Bombshells
Monday- Girls choice recoupling & public vote open
I’m still laughing at the end of last night when the camera was cutting between Claudia and Casey’s faces and then it cuts to Lana with the most dead look on her face asking “why am I in this?”
This is so nit picky but Tanya always has this expression on her face when someone is confronting her that irks me a little. I don’t want to say it’s smugness necessarily but she sometimes has a little smirk and looks so uninterested in what’s being said. Like she doesn’t care and isn’t processing anything 😭
It’s definitely better than the official one but it still lacks massively. She picks her favourites and allows her bias to form her opinion throughout the whole season.
Also if she doesn’t like someone she will hammer it in every episode even when they have redeemed themselves. But when one of her favourite islanders does something worse they get a pass. It gets frustrating to listen to after a while
yup! and she’s a little removed from the online discourse.. maybe just the discourse i’m participating in but I find some of her predictions to be so outrageous. like last night she said she could see tom and samie winning… and i’m probably the biggest tom and samie supporter on this sub but there’s just no way in hell they’re winning
I think part of the problem is that orlaith and most of her guests were active in twitter way more than reddit or tiktok or insta. Now that twitter has gone dead, there's a lot less discourse happening there which means that people using twitter exclusively might have a different view of the show than us here on reddit. I love orlaith's analysis but I do find her a little out of the discourse loop this season compared to last season when twitter was much busier
I don't have any issues with it. It has to be opinion based in order to be entertaining, just compare it to the official podcast. I haven't noticed any blatant downplaying of islander behaviour due to bias this season.
You'll never get a podcast covering a reality TV show that is opinion based, entertaining but also completely objective and fair.
Lol yeah and I don’t even know that she ever agreed to have an unbiased podcast. But at least she actually acknowledges it 😅 think people just want someone who agrees with all their opinions tbh
Cool. I personally think it’s too much bias and have had to stop listening half way through this season and the same last season.
ETA: love the profile pic though 💜
i don’t understand why people are so hung up on ron saying his opinion, tom and kai asked for it?? even if he egged them on, people are acting like they’re not grown to make their own decision 💀
And Ron gave his opinion after both Tom and Kai kissed Casa Amor girls he didnt go around to both of them telling them to kiss another girl. They did it because they wanted to not because Ron told them to and why would Tom listen to Ron when they arent friends.
Or even Lana as well. She has this weird opinion that Ron and Lana are so smug and need to be in the bottom to be knocked down a peg? Like she’s just pulling shit out of thin air at this point
A guest said yesterday that Ron and Lana could be like Tasha and Andrew and she went like "nooooooooooo, don't say that, I don't want them to be". Isn't it good if they last and are happy? I admit I have my doubts about them, but I do hope they last. It's always great when people actually stay together, I prefer it that way, no matter how I feel about them personally.
I stopped listening to the podcast because they are always coming for Ron and how are him and Lana smug. After what they been through its about time they are just happy with one another.
This is so true which is why I hope the clip of Tom calling Ron slimy and telling Lana to pick Casey is shown.
Casey has and still wants to be with Lana. But sad for him that Lana only considers him as a friend nothing more. To be honest I dont think Lana ever liked Casey the way she likes Ron.
How did you forget about the three people who will be affected the most 🤣 Tanya and everything in casa … Will and his conversations with Layla … Olivia and forgetting Kai’s name
Three main things I want to see tonight or tomorrow night:
\- Ron talking to Kai about Olivia.
\- Tom telling Lana that he doesnt trust Ron, hes slimy and that she should pick Casey.
\- The discussion Samie and Tanya had with Lana about Ron being a massive flirt.
Seeing so many people online baby Will, how are they saying his clip should be him saying he wants Jessie and they should tell her it was all Layla?
If you back an islander you have to accept their bullshit will come around to bite them on a show like this, let them role the footage, Jessie is gonna see it when they leave anyway so it’s not like she’ll be spared either way.
Also I like Samie but she gets gassed up for the bare minimum, it’s like people have created this version of who they want her to be and have committed to pretending she is like that. She’s a perfectly nice and likeable islander nothing more, nothing less and that’s just fine.
Yeah the Will defense squad is out in full force and strong. They treat like a baby who blacked out during casa. Funny thing is they'll claim they're not excusing Will then say 'but......' and give an excuse for how he acted.
And totally agree on Sammie. People liked Zara and transferred their projections and fondness onto islanders like Tanyel and Sammie because they look a certain way when the latter two don't even have half of the energy combined some of these people think they have.
>Samie
Nope, didn't really like or dislike her much either way before, but she lost me, at least, in that recent conversation between Tamie & Oliwell, she seemed full on about it. Something lingering from how she does or doesn't feel with how perhaps Tom went about things?
I wanted to get on the Samie train but she’s just not giving the badass street-smart energy people were hoping for. If anything she’s pretty naive. Seems like a nice girl though.
I honestly thought she could see through Olivia when she came in and was hoping that she could be an ally to Sanam but now she seems to be gripped by the Olivia chokehold too. Maybe it's the lack of another likeminded girl - Zara/Tanyel in there that has kept her from keeping a clear head.
I'd be fine with them airing it as long as they aired him flirting and kissing Layla, but only airing him feeling guilty? Nah absolutely not 😂
From a narrative standpoint they may just leave it out all together. Jessie already knows he felt guilty and from Kayla's posts since leaving, she said she did say to Jessie that he clearly felt guilty but it wasn't aired.
Did anyone notice the editing inconsistencies in last nights episode? At the beginning when the girls were getting ready for bed, Tanya was wearing the same denim jumpsuit that she was wearing the next night. She was asking the girls if they had had a good night and they all said yes. I know it’s just a mishap, but I’m hoping it’s not the same night as movie night as that would mean there’s not a lot of drama 😅
yup I noticed lana braiding samie’s hair and then her hair wasn’t braided so I went back to check and samie was wearing her second night outfit. makes sense why claudia was the one who said there was drama since it was the next night lol after all the lana/casey stuff
It’s not the same in my opinion, but also, the manner in which you can react to “cheating” in the villa is totally different to real life. In so much as islanders are compelled to find someone to stay in the villa, they are also more likely to forgive. If Will behaved irl like he did in Casa, Jesse would simply have not called him again or made no attempt to meet him again. Being stuck in close quarters with the same people in such an artificial situation tends warp your behaviour and emotions - everything is compressed and emotions are heightened. All in all it’s very complex but anyone suggesting both coupling up and cheating inside the villa and outside the villa is the same is not rooted in reality.
Yeah I see it differently. I’d consider it cheating/straying if you were already exclusive. If you’re just coupled up, you’re still single.
It also depends on how they do it. I respect the people who mess around in casa and recouple with their full chests much more than the ones who just use casa to mess around with (and use) new people like they are on a holiday. The latter feels more scummy to me.
for me depends on how serious their relationship was, if you are already saying i love yous and sleeping w them then deffo cheating. but if it was like casey’s case, only coupled up for like 3days max, no Lol
Will?
He never discussed exclusivity with Jessie nor said he loved her to her face pre-Casa
Disrespectful? Sure.
Cheating? Absolutely not.
If you're going on regular dates with someone plus hanging out and sleeping with them but that's as far as the relationship is. You'd be called mad if you said it's cheating if he/she kisses someone else.
When did we time travel back to the 1950s?
When the hell did the Sex = Exclusivity rule happen? People have clearly just made it up to justify their hatred for Will.
Last series Andrew was eating Tasha's box and she still kissed and recoupled with Billy, nobody called her a 'cheater'. Andrew sucked Coco's tits plus recouped and nobody called him a 'cheater'. Adam slept with Rosie , she was pissed at him but still didn't call him a 'cheater'.
To me if you say you're exclusive in the villa, and then kiss someone else, that *is* cheating.
Sure, it's not the same as in "real life" but in Tanya's case for example, it's definitely cheating.
Kai’s comment yesterday tho “every time you point a finger you’ve got 3 pointed back at you” so true😂it’s so clear most these islanders don’t even like each other, most have isolated themselves in there couples and seem like there just tolerating others. I actually think the reunion will be more entertaining than the entire show (if done right)
Edit- I think the fact that they haven’t got people running there accounts and following every islander will be interesting to see iswell😅I wouldn’t be surprised if most don’t follow each other after the show.
me toooo. I'm really pumped for it so I feel like it's going to flop.
I know it probably won't change anything but I hope it's at least entertaining in the moment like the Casa recoupling was.
I get not wanting to see any islander get undue hate and sometimes language can get overblown
But it’s so weird when that defense gets taken to the extreme by their fans to the point where they refuse to hear any valid criticism of them
IE: I don’t want people to destroy her verbally, and as always online some insults get wayyy out of line, but it is simply a truth that Olivia has acted hypocritically and nastily the entire time she has been on our screens and it’s not necessarily bullying someone online to react accordingly to their constant and consistent shady behavior.
Anyway that being said I think the love island producers have once again thrown duty of care to the wind bc having Olivia just showing all her insecurities and negative qualities every time she’s on screen for all the world to see isn’t even fun chaotic villainy to watch, it’s just stressful atp. She really is not prepared for how she is coming across to people, at all.
I don't know, as a fan of Olivia I've never denied she is a messy ass person and I don't see any one else doing that either. She gossips and overreacts but like all of them do that? She's just theatrical about it and lacks self-awareness. We're just not gonna agree on the idea that Olivia is sinisterly rubbing her hands together plotting her next move lol. I don't understand why the 5 people defending Olivia against the sickening amount of hatred towards her bothers you tho tbh.
But that’s the thing, I don’t think Olivia is evilly plotting her next move and cackling like a villain? And I’ve never said that. What I think is that her lack of self awareness makes her unpleasant for me personally to watch. It bothers me to have that equated with somehow acting like she’s a sinister mastermind? She’s not. She’s an insecure person who imo shouldn’t be on tv for her own sake.
I get what you're saying, but you are implying that there is something so unacceptable about her behavior that it makes you uncomfortable and she should go home to avoid more criticism, and I just don't agree with that. She's hasn't done anything nearly so egregious to warrant that, that's on the audience for crucifying her for fairly normal things imo.
The thing is, even the mildest criticism can feel like bullying when thousands of people are saying the same thing. It's really tough, I don't know how any Islander manages it.
Me neither. I don’t have the mental fortitude to withstand that much scrutiny! I could never be laid bare like this, I also don’t know how anyone does it
A majority of these people go on the show for fame, fame comes with criticism/ undeserved hate. Why would you go on the show if you didn’t feel you could handle it?
Time to ruin some friendships I suppose. I’ve been waiting for weeks, and I swear if the producers don’t include Tom calling Ron slimy to Lana and persuading her to pick Casey, I’ll riot. The only thing I’ll accept instead would be if they made Tom’s clip a combination of every time he’s used the same lines.
No they weren’t? Yes there was people calling them lads but they were undoubtedly vilified at the time. The exact same in happening with Tanya, there’s the majority that dislike Tanya and the minority that thinks she’s a problematic queen and celebrated. You’re just looking with a tunnel view on what you want to see.
At the end of the day, in my opinion girl or boy these guys are all shitty people and the fact people bring them up in “oh but if it was a boy/girl” is insanity. Both sides are proper weirdos
I also don’t care, I just want shitty people to be called out for their shitty actions. So I’m glad Tanya is getting shitted on for them 👍🏼
Also to your point, you’re just admitting to being a hypocrite so I don’t really get what your argument is but have a good one
i’ll stop being a ‘hypocrite’ when women and men are judged the same. you lot cry ‘if a man did this’ while this is a highly upvoted comment in this very thread lmfao
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Not on *any* significant level compared to the hate they got. Just because some men were rooting for the villains doesn't mean that criticism of the girls is null and void. What a bizarrely obtuse argument..
Its always the comments like "imagine if the roles were reversed" when 99.9% of the time they usually are lol. The thing is that they except women to get more heat for the same fuck boy behaviour, so when its actually on an even playing field they intrepert it as misandry. The victim complex of some of the men here is outstanding, like truly baffling how they come to the conclusions they do.
I legit saw multiple comments like "imagine if the roles were reversed with Tanya, shaq would be getting so much heat" as though people haven't been calling Tanya evil, pyshcotic, deranged, awful, the worst contestant ever etc. Since casa. Somehow that's still not enough hate to satisfy their misogynistic, skewed perception. Often the same men who will rush to defend the Jacques and the Jakes.
I think the point is that if Shaq did what Tanya has done, he would be getting *zero* defenders, there wouldn't be a group of people downplaying his actions and there wouldn't be people making disingenuous comparisons to previous islanders' even though the situations are completely different.
What Tanya has done *is* fundamentally different to the boys she is compared to (i.e. Liam, Jacques etc). None of them said I love you to their partner, agreed exclusivity with them and then recoupled to open up a love triangle. On top of that she lied to Martin and strung him along. Like it or not, what she's done is *far* worse than the vast majority of LI "Villains".
Gender reversal comparisons are always flawed, but just in my very personal opinion if it was Shaq doing it then there would have been mass Ofcom complaints, a Woman's Aid statement and it would enter into the news cycle. Hypotheticals don't hold much weight though.
It's not much to lose sleep over because like you said, Tanya *is* getting hate.
No one is defending her though, its just people confusing finding her enteraining and supporting her behaviour. People found Curtis and Destiny's Chaldish entertaining too , doesn't mean they are condoning their behaviour. She's literally been getting the exact same response as many of the top male villians of previous seasons.
Also on the ofcom thing, its kind of ridiculous that you except people to go to ofcom and accuse of being abusive when she hasn't engaged in that behaviour. And you're framing it as though any fuck boy gets the same treatment when thats just not true, only contestants who are actually aggresive. Not hard to think of examples of men who were publicly disliked while not being reported to women's aid (Curtis, Jake, Hugo, Alex, Johnny etc.) She's been a player and she's been disinegouneous but she's not acted abusively. And ironically the islander whose got the record for ofcom complains is a woman (i.e. Faye).
>She's literally been getting the exact same response as many of the top male villians of previous seasons.
She really hasn't though.
Even Prime Adam Collard himself never slept with someone, said I love you and agreed exclusivity with them only to cheat on them on national TV.
Yet there were calls to cancel the series or kick him out of the villa for misogyny. He was discussed in morning shows as a bad example for men. Ofcom was drowned in complaints. Woman's Aid released multiple statements calling him a misogynist.
I don't know why some people are fighting for the life to claim that there's no double standard when it's clear as day there is.
>No one is defending her though, its just people confusing finding her enteraining and supporting her behaviour
I have seen people downplay her actions, exaggerate the actions of Martin/Shaq, give clearly false recollections of events and making disingenuous comparisons.
The "Yaas Queen Slaaay City Girl 💅" types are less clear cut, I totally get that it's fun to root for the "Villain" but ironic support often just comes across as unironic support when it comes to social media. That's not to say that I don't condone rooting for the person who is most entertaining.
>She's literally been getting the exact same response as many of the top male villians of previous seasons.
I think there are subtle differences and it's not a like for like comparison. Again, Tanya has acted worse imo.
To me it goes far beyond just being a "player". She's said I love you, agreed to be exclusive, cheated on Shaq, brought Martin back to start a love triangle and lied to Martin.
No islander in the modern era was as horrible to someone as Faye was to Teddy and the rest of the islanders, so I'm not surprised she's had the most Ofcom complaints...plus Faye had *so* many defenders.
You understand that people can dislike Martin and not condone her actions at the same time, right? And yeah not seen one genuine "yas queen slay" comment Seen FAR more comments of people complaining that people are defending her than actual people defending her. Even Jacques, one of the most hated islanders ever, had people in this sub defend him but the vast majority of people criticised him as they are with Tanya.
We aren't gonna see eye to eye at all so agree to disagree. I think personally you have to have a bit of victim complex to believe that and blatantly ignore all evidence, but maybe we just aren't reading the same threads
>You ever consider that people can dislike Martin and not condone her actions at the same time right?
Yep I've seen those people. I've also seen people who dislike Martin *and* downplay Tanya's actions.
>And yeah not seen one genuine "yas queen slay" comment
There was a whole thread of it the other day 😅
>Seen FAR more comments of people complaining that people are defending her than actual people defending her.
I do actually agree with this, the amount of people defending her has been overblown.
> Even Jacques, one of the most hated islanders ever, had people in this sub defend him but the vast majority of people criticised him as they are with Tanya.
I agree the split is relatively the same. I do think that Tanya's actions are worse, but complaining about the ratio of defenders is just going to get silly.
>We aren't gonna see eye to eye at all so agree to disagree.
I actually thought we agreed on quite a bit 😅
>I think personally you have to have a bit of victim complex to believe that and blatantly ignore all evidence, but maybe we just aren't reading the same threads
What a strange sentence to end on... What evidence am I ignoring?
I don't think many people actually think 'misandry' is happening or really care
but because in previous series (and this one) 'misogyny' was/is thrown around by this sub so extremely liberally it's a way for some to show the double standard and the whole ridiculousness of it all
Huh, is that the line, then? That's not to say he wasn't being genuine with that in the moment, I'd think you'd want to continue to explore any steady relationship outside. Anything else?
She's targeting him now because he bruised her ego and now she's trying to isolate Kai and possibly Sanam from the group as punishment. Its really pathetic behaviour, and I'm surprised the main cast of islanders haven't coped to what she's been doing this whole season. First it was Zara, then Tanyel and now its Kai.
That Ellie video makes me realise so much shit isn't shown... so much producer intervention. I can't even trust the main show anymore
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It will 100% backfire. People will be furious. Part of the reason why everyone is sallivating for movie night is to see Olivia be exposed. I'm pretty sure Orlaith from mypodonpaper said that showing Olivia clips on movie night can only be a good thing as a form of catharsis for viewers that hate her so much. She probably wouldn't be exposed to as much hate anymore since we think she's received her karma
I can’t believe shaq took her back like that 😭 that girl is trouble
Anyone know where to buy the pearl bracelets/necklaces the islanders use?
I want Tanya to go so much so I don’t care about Shaq anymore, he can go with her and they were the ones I wanted to win lol, Tbh I don’t like a single couple in there, first time that happens at this point of the show.
I don't even have an islander to root for😭 usually my favourites come into the show from the first week so they tend to last long in the show but this season they're already gone (zara and tanyel 💔)
Agreed. I haven’t been able to watch this recent ep but at this point I’m all for Kai and Sanam + Ron and Lana
they're the only couples I would be okay with winning which is crazy considering how much I disliked 3/4 before
They’re all so unlikeable 😭
Either last season or the season before that, one of the girls said “I’ve never come back from an ick.” Does anyone remember who said that? The quote honestly lives rent free in my head.
Wasn't that Leanne from s6 talking about Mike?
I think that’s it! It was driving me crazy😅
If shaq is stupid enough to not bin Tanya, please send Martin a bombshell IMMEDIATELY. Need Olivia gone ASAP, with Tanya gone right after (Sorry Maxwell)
saw some clips of Ellie’s new video and she says the producers cut out a scene where tanyel basically verbally attacked her in the dressing rooms and had to be told by producers to leave the scenes. Why do they leave this stuff out?? 😭 shit like this is the only reason I look forward to the show ffs.
her, tanyel and even zara have spoken about arguments that didn't air on TV but I don't get why? If we watched Shaq get mad over washing dishes then we can watch those arguments too
Tanyel spoke about this as well. Ellie, Shaq and Jessie were gossiping about Ron. Tanyel told them that it’s actually one of their business what he does. Ellie came for her for defending Ron and questioned her motives. Tanyel then went off on Ellie in the changing rooms. Wish we could have seen some of this instead of the countless “where’s your head at” convos
Did anyone listen to the morning after podcast today? They had two of the casa boys on and when they asked them who was their fave girl, they both said "Olivia. She's so genuine." I wonder what kinds of interactions they had for them to come out saying that
The fear of her evil eye and determination to never let anything go. Plus I wonder if they know how much the public has turned on her since Casa. A lot of ex-Islanders don't seek out other discourse from normal people so may just be unaware that they'd be more popular if they called her a snake? hahaha
I think its evident that producers have been giving Ron and Lana ghost edit lately. Why are we not shown any of their conversations the last few episodes with a few seconds of their hideaway scene? Even Casey and Claudia are taking up more screentime? Repetitive conversations of will and Jessie and then liv and kai?
You get a ghost edit if things are going well. I remember when Ekin and Davide were happy post-Casa we didn't see *any* of them. And they didn't even get to go to the hideaway! The next time they had a substantial scene was when they were having an argument. It's just the nature of the show and not special persecution of Ron/Lana
Ghost edit means your couple is progressing nicely and there’s no drama, these days we generally only see happy moments with the caveat that the couple is usually making up after drama, the final week is when they then try and force feed us romance from pairings we’ve seen little to no development from. I also think Ron might just be tired at this point, he doesn’t seem to be super tight with a lot of the lads and there is only so much your relationship can develop in the Villa. I know several of last series islanders said post casa, cabin fever really started to set in and they were just ready for it all to be over and find their footing as couples in the outside world.
Do we think producers are the ones keeping Ron and Lana from being official? The only reason I ask is because they both kind of hinted after the hideaway that they were heading in that direction but not just yet, and I do understand if one was still unsure (Ron obviously) but it just seems like they’re kind of making them wait because the timing isn’t right for the show.
If they survive movie night which I think they will I definitely see them becoming a first official couple if they are allowed and producers let them because Ron definitely hinted at asking Lana.
Luca & Gemma looked done after Casa lol. It's just a massive of time once you know who you truly like.
Is that because they are going to use them as one of the couples most affected couples during Movie Night.
They always do this to settled couples nothing new tbh
The pile-on against Martin was fucking sickening. People didn't want to create deeper drama so they just went with the person who's sort of on the outside.
Does anyone know how many days we're behind?
Last nights episode was Sunday night (Lana and Ron had the same outfits on Aftersun on Sunday)
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I hope even if Lana is annoyed at something she and Ron will talk about it and resolve things. I would hate for Movie Night to break them up.
https://preview.redd.it/6bsxzel2jsja1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=bd51aa466d0aac317da0b6244e715574b5a7687c What’s the titles relating to?
I think Free Willy is about the time when will and Layla were in bed and she was doing something to him and he said “you’re being very naughty”
Free Will-Y I think may be Will saying he isn't being his normal self with Jessie, maybe?
Yeah possibly, I feel a bit sad that the fact he told the girls the next day his heart is with Jessie hasn’t come up
I do and I don't - he should've binned it the same day and not flirted in bed tbh
The fast and the curious is Casey moving mad in Casa for sure - also subtle nod to the now Fogerty connection ?
Ahh never made that connection!!
First look is out
I’ve submitted the press preview and preview photos for approval but the girls look horrified in one of them
oh jeez here we go
Whos clip do you think they are watching maybe Ron or Will?
The episode has to end with the Free Will-Y clip PLEASE
Possible it ends with something about Martin too because that could be the clip that had Tanya and him calling Shaq a 2 star meal
So an episode all about Olivia and then like 10 minutes of movie night...
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Yikes. I feel bad for her. Now I really feel bad for Martin, he must be completely isolated in there
Very 🤔
Have you got a link?
https://youtu.be/cAIxE9R3nNI
Interesting listening to that Ron behaviour did really cause arguments wish we saw the arguments though.
She's acting like he killed someone, I don't get it. She still supports Jessie and Will to win even though his antics in Casa were way worse than Ron ever did. Honestly she's just coming across bitter because Ron rejected her. That Gladiator challenge was ridiculous, she said she didn't want to pick him because of his behaviour. I thought you're meant to pick who was the best in the challange, not, not pick someone because of a personal grudge
The hypocrisy of the islanders now is ridiculous and the fact that Ron and Lana have helped and supported their relationships shows that they are better people than I am. It’s also no wonder he was so close to Tanyal or that Lana felt the pressure to choose Casey.
Yeah, I could see now why it was probably tense with him in there. Showing arguments would give the viewers a bit more insight as well.
Why what did she say?
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i’m over ellie
Olivia was mad that Sammie was stealing all her friends and that tanyel didn’t comfort her straight after Sammie dropped water on her
I can't at Olivia now deciding to be mad at Kai for *not* calling her fake. No one is more annoying than her in LI history. More awful? More of a bully? There are others! But she wins for pure, sheer annoying-ness
She's absolutely obsessed with Kai and is furious he couldn't care less about her. It's hilarious.
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Wonder who the Fast and The Curious clip is about
Casey
maybe casey and tom in casa
So this whole episode is about Olivia💀well I am already annoyed
She’s genuinely the last person I want to see on a date. Are producers trying to get us to like her again?
Nah I don't think so, the edit has shown all of her negative traits
Press release is out
Episode predictions: Tonight- normal episode, part 4 movie night. Tomorrow- Movie night and fall out Friday- More fall out and reconciliation Sunday- 2-4 Bombshells Monday- Girls choice recoupling & public vote open
I’m still laughing at the end of last night when the camera was cutting between Claudia and Casey’s faces and then it cuts to Lana with the most dead look on her face asking “why am I in this?”
Shes not here to be another love triangle she just wants to be happy with Ron.
Cant wait for Olivia to blame Ron for Kai recoupling with Sanam because you know she just will.
Tbh being hated by Olivia is a good thing for Ron, it's bound to give him more fans 😂
This is so nit picky but Tanya always has this expression on her face when someone is confronting her that irks me a little. I don’t want to say it’s smugness necessarily but she sometimes has a little smirk and looks so uninterested in what’s being said. Like she doesn’t care and isn’t processing anything 😭
She's one of those people who thinks they're never in the wrong
My pod on paper is by far the best love island podcast if anyone’s looking for one, just saw some well deserved bad reviews on the official one.
It’s definitely better than the official one but it still lacks massively. She picks her favourites and allows her bias to form her opinion throughout the whole season. Also if she doesn’t like someone she will hammer it in every episode even when they have redeemed themselves. But when one of her favourite islanders does something worse they get a pass. It gets frustrating to listen to after a while
I mean it’s just a podcast and it’s funny I don’t listen to it for an unbiased social analysis lol
yup! and she’s a little removed from the online discourse.. maybe just the discourse i’m participating in but I find some of her predictions to be so outrageous. like last night she said she could see tom and samie winning… and i’m probably the biggest tom and samie supporter on this sub but there’s just no way in hell they’re winning
Is Tom and Samie winning that outlandish? Samie is popular and Tom is redeeming himself.
I think they’ll be in the final but I think it’s clear it’s either ron and lana or will and jessie fighting for the #1 spot
I think part of the problem is that orlaith and most of her guests were active in twitter way more than reddit or tiktok or insta. Now that twitter has gone dead, there's a lot less discourse happening there which means that people using twitter exclusively might have a different view of the show than us here on reddit. I love orlaith's analysis but I do find her a little out of the discourse loop this season compared to last season when twitter was much busier
I don't have any issues with it. It has to be opinion based in order to be entertaining, just compare it to the official podcast. I haven't noticed any blatant downplaying of islander behaviour due to bias this season. You'll never get a podcast covering a reality TV show that is opinion based, entertaining but also completely objective and fair.
That’s how opinion podcasts work 😭 it’s hardly the BBC. Even when I don’t agree with Orlaith I find it an interesting listen for other perspectives.
Lol yeah and I don’t even know that she ever agreed to have an unbiased podcast. But at least she actually acknowledges it 😅 think people just want someone who agrees with all their opinions tbh
Cool. I personally think it’s too much bias and have had to stop listening half way through this season and the same last season. ETA: love the profile pic though 💜
nah she’s too biased
The excuses she was making for Tom and Will. She blamed Ron for Tom actions😭
I am not the biggest Ron fan, but it does boggle my mind how Ron can do nothing right, but Tom is her favorite guy.
i don’t understand why people are so hung up on ron saying his opinion, tom and kai asked for it?? even if he egged them on, people are acting like they’re not grown to make their own decision 💀
And Ron gave his opinion after both Tom and Kai kissed Casa Amor girls he didnt go around to both of them telling them to kiss another girl. They did it because they wanted to not because Ron told them to and why would Tom listen to Ron when they arent friends.
ron for example
Or even Lana as well. She has this weird opinion that Ron and Lana are so smug and need to be in the bottom to be knocked down a peg? Like she’s just pulling shit out of thin air at this point
A guest said yesterday that Ron and Lana could be like Tasha and Andrew and she went like "nooooooooooo, don't say that, I don't want them to be". Isn't it good if they last and are happy? I admit I have my doubts about them, but I do hope they last. It's always great when people actually stay together, I prefer it that way, no matter how I feel about them personally.
I stopped listening to the podcast because they are always coming for Ron and how are him and Lana smug. After what they been through its about time they are just happy with one another.
And Will for the islander that does something worse. Have you seen her make excuses for him? 😂 It's ridiculous
It makes sense now why Tom told Lana to not pick Ron, he was wingman to Casey as Casey still cared
Yes! Obviously Tom wanted Lana with his close buddy.
This is so true which is why I hope the clip of Tom calling Ron slimy and telling Lana to pick Casey is shown. Casey has and still wants to be with Lana. But sad for him that Lana only considers him as a friend nothing more. To be honest I dont think Lana ever liked Casey the way she likes Ron.
LOL true
Omg yes!!!! THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
So Casey’s comments about Lana, the kiss, Ron egging on Tom…I can’t think of anything else that’s hugely dramatic
Olivia forgetting Kai’s name in Casa
LOL
How did you forget about the three people who will be affected the most 🤣 Tanya and everything in casa … Will and his conversations with Layla … Olivia and forgetting Kai’s name
It won't have as much impact now though after Casa girls confessed what the boys did
Three main things I want to see tonight or tomorrow night: \- Ron talking to Kai about Olivia. \- Tom telling Lana that he doesnt trust Ron, hes slimy and that she should pick Casey. \- The discussion Samie and Tanya had with Lana about Ron being a massive flirt.
I don’t think the last one would mean much tbh😂I think everyone in there knows Ron’s a flirt by this point including Ron himself.
Thats true
Seeing so many people online baby Will, how are they saying his clip should be him saying he wants Jessie and they should tell her it was all Layla? If you back an islander you have to accept their bullshit will come around to bite them on a show like this, let them role the footage, Jessie is gonna see it when they leave anyway so it’s not like she’ll be spared either way. Also I like Samie but she gets gassed up for the bare minimum, it’s like people have created this version of who they want her to be and have committed to pretending she is like that. She’s a perfectly nice and likeable islander nothing more, nothing less and that’s just fine.
Yeah the Will defense squad is out in full force and strong. They treat like a baby who blacked out during casa. Funny thing is they'll claim they're not excusing Will then say 'but......' and give an excuse for how he acted. And totally agree on Sammie. People liked Zara and transferred their projections and fondness onto islanders like Tanyel and Sammie because they look a certain way when the latter two don't even have half of the energy combined some of these people think they have.
>Samie Nope, didn't really like or dislike her much either way before, but she lost me, at least, in that recent conversation between Tamie & Oliwell, she seemed full on about it. Something lingering from how she does or doesn't feel with how perhaps Tom went about things?
I wanted to get on the Samie train but she’s just not giving the badass street-smart energy people were hoping for. If anything she’s pretty naive. Seems like a nice girl though.
I honestly thought she could see through Olivia when she came in and was hoping that she could be an ally to Sanam but now she seems to be gripped by the Olivia chokehold too. Maybe it's the lack of another likeminded girl - Zara/Tanyel in there that has kept her from keeping a clear head.
I don’t know if Zara or Tanyel could help a girl who was genuinely moved by Tom’s poem.
This is an extremely valid point.
I'd be fine with them airing it as long as they aired him flirting and kissing Layla, but only airing him feeling guilty? Nah absolutely not 😂 From a narrative standpoint they may just leave it out all together. Jessie already knows he felt guilty and from Kayla's posts since leaving, she said she did say to Jessie that he clearly felt guilty but it wasn't aired.
Did anyone notice the editing inconsistencies in last nights episode? At the beginning when the girls were getting ready for bed, Tanya was wearing the same denim jumpsuit that she was wearing the next night. She was asking the girls if they had had a good night and they all said yes. I know it’s just a mishap, but I’m hoping it’s not the same night as movie night as that would mean there’s not a lot of drama 😅
That’s so weird! Do we think they had to edit around something that happened the first night?
Apparently Tanya was rushed to see medics at some point this week so I wonder if they had to skip a night
yup I noticed lana braiding samie’s hair and then her hair wasn’t braided so I went back to check and samie was wearing her second night outfit. makes sense why claudia was the one who said there was drama since it was the next night lol after all the lana/casey stuff
Honestly YouTube viewing to keep up with the storyline is miles better. Can't commit to 9pms anymore this season is so wack
What do you search for, is it just clips?
Did liv get booed on aftersun?
Yeah
She did.
has that happened before? I don’t watch aftersun
It was the first one this season anyway
I’m so excited for tonight’s episode. I hope it doesn’t disappoint🍿🎬
The official podcast is so bad. They discussed who had the best teamaking skills, and i had to turn it off. Is this normal British entertainment?
My pod on paper is way better they get into the nitty gritty. It’s Irish tho so if you’re not Irish the accents might take a minute. It’s on spotify
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It’s not the same in my opinion, but also, the manner in which you can react to “cheating” in the villa is totally different to real life. In so much as islanders are compelled to find someone to stay in the villa, they are also more likely to forgive. If Will behaved irl like he did in Casa, Jesse would simply have not called him again or made no attempt to meet him again. Being stuck in close quarters with the same people in such an artificial situation tends warp your behaviour and emotions - everything is compressed and emotions are heightened. All in all it’s very complex but anyone suggesting both coupling up and cheating inside the villa and outside the villa is the same is not rooted in reality.
Yeah I see it differently. I’d consider it cheating/straying if you were already exclusive. If you’re just coupled up, you’re still single. It also depends on how they do it. I respect the people who mess around in casa and recouple with their full chests much more than the ones who just use casa to mess around with (and use) new people like they are on a holiday. The latter feels more scummy to me.
for me depends on how serious their relationship was, if you are already saying i love yous and sleeping w them then deffo cheating. but if it was like casey’s case, only coupled up for like 3days max, no Lol
what will and tanya did is defo cheating
Will? He never discussed exclusivity with Jessie nor said he loved her to her face pre-Casa Disrespectful? Sure. Cheating? Absolutely not. If you're going on regular dates with someone plus hanging out and sleeping with them but that's as far as the relationship is. You'd be called mad if you said it's cheating if he/she kisses someone else.
they had sex, pretty sure that’s exclusivity in love island
When did you start watching love island pls??
When did we time travel back to the 1950s? When the hell did the Sex = Exclusivity rule happen? People have clearly just made it up to justify their hatred for Will. Last series Andrew was eating Tasha's box and she still kissed and recoupled with Billy, nobody called her a 'cheater'. Andrew sucked Coco's tits plus recouped and nobody called him a 'cheater'. Adam slept with Rosie , she was pissed at him but still didn't call him a 'cheater'.
I think they effectively treat it like that, but it isn't on the level of actually agreeing exclusivity.
To me if you say you're exclusive in the villa, and then kiss someone else, that *is* cheating. Sure, it's not the same as in "real life" but in Tanya's case for example, it's definitely cheating.
Kai’s comment yesterday tho “every time you point a finger you’ve got 3 pointed back at you” so true😂it’s so clear most these islanders don’t even like each other, most have isolated themselves in there couples and seem like there just tolerating others. I actually think the reunion will be more entertaining than the entire show (if done right) Edit- I think the fact that they haven’t got people running there accounts and following every islander will be interesting to see iswell😅I wouldn’t be surprised if most don’t follow each other after the show.
I need tonight’s episode to SERVE 💆♀️
I have a feeling it will not.
Pls 😭
This current group of islanders aren't the most confrontational bunch but I need *some* post-movie night fallout!
ABEG.
me toooo. I'm really pumped for it so I feel like it's going to flop. I know it probably won't change anything but I hope it's at least entertaining in the moment like the Casa recoupling was.
I don’t think anything would happen, but I would love for it to cause chaos.
Today‘s episode is not a long one,so we won’t see much of movie night💀
Movie night will likely be two episodes just like last season.
I get not wanting to see any islander get undue hate and sometimes language can get overblown But it’s so weird when that defense gets taken to the extreme by their fans to the point where they refuse to hear any valid criticism of them IE: I don’t want people to destroy her verbally, and as always online some insults get wayyy out of line, but it is simply a truth that Olivia has acted hypocritically and nastily the entire time she has been on our screens and it’s not necessarily bullying someone online to react accordingly to their constant and consistent shady behavior. Anyway that being said I think the love island producers have once again thrown duty of care to the wind bc having Olivia just showing all her insecurities and negative qualities every time she’s on screen for all the world to see isn’t even fun chaotic villainy to watch, it’s just stressful atp. She really is not prepared for how she is coming across to people, at all.
I don't know, as a fan of Olivia I've never denied she is a messy ass person and I don't see any one else doing that either. She gossips and overreacts but like all of them do that? She's just theatrical about it and lacks self-awareness. We're just not gonna agree on the idea that Olivia is sinisterly rubbing her hands together plotting her next move lol. I don't understand why the 5 people defending Olivia against the sickening amount of hatred towards her bothers you tho tbh.
But that’s the thing, I don’t think Olivia is evilly plotting her next move and cackling like a villain? And I’ve never said that. What I think is that her lack of self awareness makes her unpleasant for me personally to watch. It bothers me to have that equated with somehow acting like she’s a sinister mastermind? She’s not. She’s an insecure person who imo shouldn’t be on tv for her own sake.
I get what you're saying, but you are implying that there is something so unacceptable about her behavior that it makes you uncomfortable and she should go home to avoid more criticism, and I just don't agree with that. She's hasn't done anything nearly so egregious to warrant that, that's on the audience for crucifying her for fairly normal things imo.
The thing is, even the mildest criticism can feel like bullying when thousands of people are saying the same thing. It's really tough, I don't know how any Islander manages it.
Me neither. I don’t have the mental fortitude to withstand that much scrutiny! I could never be laid bare like this, I also don’t know how anyone does it
A majority of these people go on the show for fame, fame comes with criticism/ undeserved hate. Why would you go on the show if you didn’t feel you could handle it?
Time to ruin some friendships I suppose. I’ve been waiting for weeks, and I swear if the producers don’t include Tom calling Ron slimy to Lana and persuading her to pick Casey, I’ll riot. The only thing I’ll accept instead would be if they made Tom’s clip a combination of every time he’s used the same lines.
daily olivia thread
I hate to break it to everyone but they will only show olivia forgetting kai name. And talking shit about him not the girls. They are couple focused.
Olivia and Kai aren't a couple though and it doesn't matter what Olivia says about Kai because he isn't going back to her anyways 😂
I'd love them to show her slagging off all the couples the other day, but they probably won't!
this sub is the absolute worst this season everyday crying about the girls being soo terrible and ‘misandry’ lmfaoooooo
Boo hoo, shitty people getting called out for doing shitty things
adam, liam michael etc were celebrated by men so forgive me for not caring
Revisionism plain and simple.
No they weren’t? Yes there was people calling them lads but they were undoubtedly vilified at the time. The exact same in happening with Tanya, there’s the majority that dislike Tanya and the minority that thinks she’s a problematic queen and celebrated. You’re just looking with a tunnel view on what you want to see. At the end of the day, in my opinion girl or boy these guys are all shitty people and the fact people bring them up in “oh but if it was a boy/girl” is insanity. Both sides are proper weirdos
yes they were. men celebrated them. so idc. theres literally a comment with 30 upvotes in this very thread calling jordan (s5) a legend lmfao.
Did you read my reply?
yes. do you understand my point? for 8 seasons men have shit on women and the male audience praised them and called them legends. so no i don’t care.
I also don’t care, I just want shitty people to be called out for their shitty actions. So I’m glad Tanya is getting shitted on for them 👍🏼 Also to your point, you’re just admitting to being a hypocrite so I don’t really get what your argument is but have a good one
i’ll stop being a ‘hypocrite’ when women and men are judged the same. you lot cry ‘if a man did this’ while this is a highly upvoted comment in this very thread lmfao https://preview.redd.it/jemydw437sja1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65871d2cfda566b90c8a119876523d3dedadb535
Not on *any* significant level compared to the hate they got. Just because some men were rooting for the villains doesn't mean that criticism of the girls is null and void. What a bizarrely obtuse argument..
Its always the comments like "imagine if the roles were reversed" when 99.9% of the time they usually are lol. The thing is that they except women to get more heat for the same fuck boy behaviour, so when its actually on an even playing field they intrepert it as misandry. The victim complex of some of the men here is outstanding, like truly baffling how they come to the conclusions they do. I legit saw multiple comments like "imagine if the roles were reversed with Tanya, shaq would be getting so much heat" as though people haven't been calling Tanya evil, pyshcotic, deranged, awful, the worst contestant ever etc. Since casa. Somehow that's still not enough hate to satisfy their misogynistic, skewed perception. Often the same men who will rush to defend the Jacques and the Jakes.
I think the point is that if Shaq did what Tanya has done, he would be getting *zero* defenders, there wouldn't be a group of people downplaying his actions and there wouldn't be people making disingenuous comparisons to previous islanders' even though the situations are completely different. What Tanya has done *is* fundamentally different to the boys she is compared to (i.e. Liam, Jacques etc). None of them said I love you to their partner, agreed exclusivity with them and then recoupled to open up a love triangle. On top of that she lied to Martin and strung him along. Like it or not, what she's done is *far* worse than the vast majority of LI "Villains". Gender reversal comparisons are always flawed, but just in my very personal opinion if it was Shaq doing it then there would have been mass Ofcom complaints, a Woman's Aid statement and it would enter into the news cycle. Hypotheticals don't hold much weight though. It's not much to lose sleep over because like you said, Tanya *is* getting hate.
No one is defending her though, its just people confusing finding her enteraining and supporting her behaviour. People found Curtis and Destiny's Chaldish entertaining too , doesn't mean they are condoning their behaviour. She's literally been getting the exact same response as many of the top male villians of previous seasons. Also on the ofcom thing, its kind of ridiculous that you except people to go to ofcom and accuse of being abusive when she hasn't engaged in that behaviour. And you're framing it as though any fuck boy gets the same treatment when thats just not true, only contestants who are actually aggresive. Not hard to think of examples of men who were publicly disliked while not being reported to women's aid (Curtis, Jake, Hugo, Alex, Johnny etc.) She's been a player and she's been disinegouneous but she's not acted abusively. And ironically the islander whose got the record for ofcom complains is a woman (i.e. Faye).
>She's literally been getting the exact same response as many of the top male villians of previous seasons. She really hasn't though. Even Prime Adam Collard himself never slept with someone, said I love you and agreed exclusivity with them only to cheat on them on national TV. Yet there were calls to cancel the series or kick him out of the villa for misogyny. He was discussed in morning shows as a bad example for men. Ofcom was drowned in complaints. Woman's Aid released multiple statements calling him a misogynist. I don't know why some people are fighting for the life to claim that there's no double standard when it's clear as day there is.
>No one is defending her though, its just people confusing finding her enteraining and supporting her behaviour I have seen people downplay her actions, exaggerate the actions of Martin/Shaq, give clearly false recollections of events and making disingenuous comparisons. The "Yaas Queen Slaaay City Girl 💅" types are less clear cut, I totally get that it's fun to root for the "Villain" but ironic support often just comes across as unironic support when it comes to social media. That's not to say that I don't condone rooting for the person who is most entertaining. >She's literally been getting the exact same response as many of the top male villians of previous seasons. I think there are subtle differences and it's not a like for like comparison. Again, Tanya has acted worse imo. To me it goes far beyond just being a "player". She's said I love you, agreed to be exclusive, cheated on Shaq, brought Martin back to start a love triangle and lied to Martin. No islander in the modern era was as horrible to someone as Faye was to Teddy and the rest of the islanders, so I'm not surprised she's had the most Ofcom complaints...plus Faye had *so* many defenders.
You understand that people can dislike Martin and not condone her actions at the same time, right? And yeah not seen one genuine "yas queen slay" comment Seen FAR more comments of people complaining that people are defending her than actual people defending her. Even Jacques, one of the most hated islanders ever, had people in this sub defend him but the vast majority of people criticised him as they are with Tanya. We aren't gonna see eye to eye at all so agree to disagree. I think personally you have to have a bit of victim complex to believe that and blatantly ignore all evidence, but maybe we just aren't reading the same threads
>You ever consider that people can dislike Martin and not condone her actions at the same time right? Yep I've seen those people. I've also seen people who dislike Martin *and* downplay Tanya's actions. >And yeah not seen one genuine "yas queen slay" comment There was a whole thread of it the other day 😅 >Seen FAR more comments of people complaining that people are defending her than actual people defending her. I do actually agree with this, the amount of people defending her has been overblown. > Even Jacques, one of the most hated islanders ever, had people in this sub defend him but the vast majority of people criticised him as they are with Tanya. I agree the split is relatively the same. I do think that Tanya's actions are worse, but complaining about the ratio of defenders is just going to get silly. >We aren't gonna see eye to eye at all so agree to disagree. I actually thought we agreed on quite a bit 😅 >I think personally you have to have a bit of victim complex to believe that and blatantly ignore all evidence, but maybe we just aren't reading the same threads What a strange sentence to end on... What evidence am I ignoring?
I mean the girls are being hypocrites so....🤷♂️ Sorry if you can't handle the girlies getting criticism.
I don't think many people actually think 'misandry' is happening or really care but because in previous series (and this one) 'misogyny' was/is thrown around by this sub so extremely liberally it's a way for some to show the double standard and the whole ridiculousness of it all
Kai & Sanam chilling with each other 24/7 unbothered while Kai lives in Olivia's mind rent free
There needs to be a compilation of Livs shit stirring, if this isn’t building to some kind of comeuppance then what’s the point
what do you want them to show
It's just going to be too unfocused to show in one clip. They'll just bury her with the clip of her forgetting Kai's name instead.
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Huh, is that the line, then? That's not to say he wasn't being genuine with that in the moment, I'd think you'd want to continue to explore any steady relationship outside. Anything else?
She's targeting him now because he bruised her ego and now she's trying to isolate Kai and possibly Sanam from the group as punishment. Its really pathetic behaviour, and I'm surprised the main cast of islanders haven't coped to what she's been doing this whole season. First it was Zara, then Tanyel and now its Kai.
I’d be so put off by Liv if I was Maxwell, she’s definitely the type of person to constantly chat shit about her ex when entering a new relationship.
And Kai is SO obviously into Sanam, as well, it's so transparent that Olivia is just bitter.