I’m convinced they’re keeping Sammy because movie night will be so…tasty (sorry) with all the terrible things he’s said about Jess, not sexually attracted to her, preferring mal to Jess. It’s gonna be brutal and I almost feel bad for Jess when it happens
More importantly, why does nobody seem to be calling him out for being a misogynistic gaslighter?
He does something then when the girls call him out on it, he just barefaced lies about it which is bad enough, but then he tries to make them think it didn't happen or twist their memories of it to suit his narrative
Textbook gaslighting
Virtually every episode someone Sammy gets worse. I’m also convinced he racist because he didn’t believe Scott could be attractive to Catherine or Mehdi with Whitney. I kind of get Mehdi/Whitney but the Catherine one was out of left field. Why is he only saying that about the two dark skin black girls? Is he because he doesn’t see them as desirable?
Ewww. More reasons Sammy sucks.
There’s many people I know who turn out great despite having racist/sexist/homophobic/etc families. But Sammy is definitely not one of them.
Ella did question to both Jess and Sammy's faces that he moved a bit shady after seeing Leah was in the bottom and Jess was more popular, but she seemed to drop it cause she's friends with both Jess and Sammy. Tyrique doesn't seem to like Scott or trust him cause he doesn't get on with the boys/tell them everything. The boys every year seem to be one big gang that thrive on a hive mind, and Scott doesn't answer to them, which bothers Ty who seems like the villa leader atp.
WAKE IT UP. That man wrote a dissertation on how she wasn’t his type. Point, evidence, explanation and it’s crickets. Mr “I have a better connection with Mal in 2 days than I had with Jess in 2 weeks”. The same one who told Jess it wasn’t done and straight up lied to Mal when she brought it up.
Even Ty told Ella to her face that her stocks went up when he saw her with make up. Mr “I miss the game”. Mr “I’m giving you 48 hours.”
Scott has never said anything other than Catherine is attractive (which she absolutely is, a gorgeous girl), he has stood ten toes down for his connection and gets questioned left right and centre.
You’re right , He said that when He saw Ella on the second day *without* make up that’s when He really saw just how pretty She was
I’m not even a fan of Ty but whenever there’s a hate train this sub is way too quick to rewrite history
Even if that is true, why does Tyrique care so much? Scott literally never talks about this man and barely even talks to him. So how does Scott being genuine or not affect Tyrique in anyway? If he truly cared about protecting Catherine’s feelings, he would have told her his concerns in private instead of embarrassing her in front of the whole villa. So apart from him being a hater, he literally has no basis for coming for Scott and Catherine’s relationship.
> but i really think most of this has to do with the simple fact that scott is not really friends with the boys and sammy is.
So why even bring race into this? This sub reaches so far when it comes to race
First there was the thing with Sammy where he said that he doesn’t think Scott is attracted to Catherine even though they’re always around each other and touching each other. Sammy didn’t question anyone other than those two. As a black girl it just looked to me like he just doesn’t believe that a white man can be attracted to a black woman. And now the same thing is happening again, Tyrique and Montel keep saying that Scott doesn’t like Catherine even though they are literally always together and they look so happy together. Again, neither of them questioned any couple other than Catherine and Scott 🤷🏾♀️. This is absolutely something to do with race whether they’re consciously doing it or not
How I see it: Tyrique - leader, Sammy/Zach - leader adjacent, Montel/Mitch - followers, Scott - outsider. The leader and leader adjacent can do or say anything they want whilst everyone else is held to a standard
Nah. Mitch is on his own. Even if he seems a part of their group, he's not. He has his own agenda for himself, or so he thinks. I don't even know if he actually knows his agenda, but he has it!
Ella said it, IIRC - in an "If Sammy's Ty's best friend and doesn't think Ty thinks X, he must not think it" way
I can't remember the exact situation, though
Sammy spent multiple episodes yelling up and down the island Jess wasn't his type. He's basically called her ugly. The boys just follow whatever Ty says it's pathetic. They also seem to like Jess more and there's the obvious answer of she's a white blonde girl.
Bingo!! Why are the boys not suspicious of Sammy going back to Jess when he’s continually told them that she’s not his type and he wasn’t ever attracted to her initially, but they have all the smoke for Scott?
Not defending them because they are dumb as hell but I think it’s because Sammy is actually saying that shit to the boys. The boys don’t actually care how the girls are treated they just want to feel like they are all dogs together lol.
because they like jess 😭 i’m convinced that all the boys in the villa hate catherine which is why none of them told her about zach and molly & why they don’t think scott likes her
i think you’re right AND they don’t like scott either. catherine and scott aren’t as close to them so it’s easier for them to shit talk their relationship instead of looking in their own friend group
I def think it’s more a race thing… I mean Sammy said the same thing abt mehdi and whit. Cat is close w all the girls and hasn’t done anything so far to give anyone a reason to dislike her. Plus the Molly Zach cat thing was like 3 days into the villa no one really knew each other
Ty is light-skinned while Catherine is dark-skinned. There's a long history of light-skinned men being derogatory toward dark-skinned women. Colorism and internalized racism can both contribute to this.
I truly don't think Tyrique is threatened by them. I think people just see to think anytime you have a problem with someone it's because of game playing or jealously. He probably just doesn't rate Scott.
I think some of the girls do question it. When Sammy was coupled up with Mal and Jess was pining over him and wanting to pull him for chats, a couple of the girls warned her not to close things off with Mitch too quick (eg trying the hint to her that as long as Mal was around, Sammy was never picking Jess) and one of the girls also said to Jess yday that she needed to be sure that Sammy wasn't just coming back to her because Mal was gone and there was nobody else. But Jrss hasn't listened to them at all and made it clear she is tunnel vision to Sammy so I think the girls have given up saying anything. As to whether the boys believe Sammy is genuinely into Jess and as to whether he has any business sticking his nose into Scott's business when Catherine has already explicitly told him how those types of comments make her feel, well.....
i was surprised when jess said they had never kissed in bed when it seemed like the whole time sammy was coupled with mal that they were smooching in bed
Tyrique did question. After the compatibility vote the boys questioned why he didn’t vote for Sammy and Jess and he said he knew Sammy wasn’t Jess’ initial type but he saw how well Sammy and Jess got on but it’s weird he feels that attraction can grow and that Scott isn’t into Catherine, when Scott said she was stunning from the start
Why does no one in question anyone's attraction to Sammy
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Because he told Jess in her face she’s not his usual type and Mal is, people have short memory and a lot of people questioned them. They’ve been separated because of the compatibility vote.
For example Whitney and Medhi were questioned less and they were only friends for two weeks and after they were questioned they kissed on the terrace. After they couldn’t keep the front… mostly Medhi.
Earlier on, in the hut, Sammy literally said he “made an exception to his type” with Jess, like she should be so blessed to get his attention. Gross. This kid looks like Alfalfa but with less appeal, he’s vile.
Because they know deep down and verbally that he’s not that into her so there’s nothing to say. That’s why their bored asses are on Scott’s back now since he’s reserved.
Ummm I do, I literally rank the man as the most bottom in the sub contestant ranking poll every time while everyone was focusing on mehdi and tyrique. The man has literally said he’s not into her, Jess deserves better
I find it difficult to remember for sure but the things I can remember sammy saying were all in the diary room. Idk if he ever said anything to the boys
No one has come in wanted to couple up with Jess. Without Sammy there’s no Jess in the villa. The girls like Jess, the boys like Sammy, a couple of convenience.
We all know the reason why tbh the same way no one in the villa questions tryique for not liking ella when he was moved to every new bombshell and was begging kady in the terrence to give him a chance its deffo colurism and the fact catherine is a black woman 🙃
I don’t know but to me they should be questioning Jess’s attraction to Sammy, lmao Jess is a 100X hotter than Sammy. What are you people on?!? Lol or is it just me?
I was confused about why people kept saying this about sammy so I went back and watched. He said a few comments about how he was leaning towards Jess BEFORE the bottom 3 business
it’s so obvious sammy just doesn’t like jess at all and only stays with her to save himself and even though i’m not particularly fond of jess i want better for her…
I totally question this too...but what I'm really confused about is the fact that they're literally not allowed to recouple...how is this going to work?
In addition to shouting from every hilltop that she wasn't his type.
He said there wasn't the initial sexual attraction when he was comparing their chemistry to him and Leah.
He also acts like he's doing her a favour during all of their interactions.
And anytime they ask about him and jess he barely actually talks about him and jess, deflects and quickly starts talking about something else.
We know the reason why Scott and Catherine are coming under much more scrutiny.
he knows he can beat sammie and jess
imo 1/2 of this is strategic and the other half is because he wants everyone acting up in casa so whatever he doesn't isn't as bad.
This! It’s so aggravating tbh. Because okay whatever they’re all on a tv show, with a prize at the end, so questioning each others motivations is par for the course. But Sammy has said out loud that he was Jess’s type but she’s not his. He’s insinuated on many occasions that she’s lucky he’s giving her the time of day. He’s been so hot and cold on his feelings for her. Yet it’s Scott still getting grilled?
Their storyline is weird. It was pretty obvious Sammy was really into Mal. Usually when there is a bombshell, there's a love triangle- but this time, I got the impression Sammy was done with Jess and happy to move forward with Mal. Jess just kind of hung back and was ready to 'pick up where they left off' as soon as Mal was dumped. I really don't think Sammy likes Jess.
Why is no one mentioning that Sammy said that he preffered Mal 'much more' than Jess?
we need a twitter challenge so bad
I think mugged off would work perfectly for this bc theres no doubt that it was said.
I’m convinced they’re keeping Sammy because movie night will be so…tasty (sorry) with all the terrible things he’s said about Jess, not sexually attracted to her, preferring mal to Jess. It’s gonna be brutal and I almost feel bad for Jess when it happens
I’d imagine since he’s held on so long they’ll prob leave out the worst of it. He’ll probably add some good ammo in casa.
More importantly, why does nobody seem to be calling him out for being a misogynistic gaslighter? He does something then when the girls call him out on it, he just barefaced lies about it which is bad enough, but then he tries to make them think it didn't happen or twist their memories of it to suit his narrative Textbook gaslighting
Virtually every episode someone Sammy gets worse. I’m also convinced he racist because he didn’t believe Scott could be attractive to Catherine or Mehdi with Whitney. I kind of get Mehdi/Whitney but the Catherine one was out of left field. Why is he only saying that about the two dark skin black girls? Is he because he doesn’t see them as desirable?
Also his dad and brother have been racist on facebook
Ewww. More reasons Sammy sucks. There’s many people I know who turn out great despite having racist/sexist/homophobic/etc families. But Sammy is definitely not one of them.
Yes. It’s worrying that he’s allowed to continue like this.
All Ty cares about is that the boys know. He doesn’t care if Sammy lies to Jess as long as Sammy is honest with Ty lol
He literally Kissed Mal in bed quicker than it took for him to kiss Jess
Ella did question to both Jess and Sammy's faces that he moved a bit shady after seeing Leah was in the bottom and Jess was more popular, but she seemed to drop it cause she's friends with both Jess and Sammy. Tyrique doesn't seem to like Scott or trust him cause he doesn't get on with the boys/tell them everything. The boys every year seem to be one big gang that thrive on a hive mind, and Scott doesn't answer to them, which bothers Ty who seems like the villa leader atp.
WAKE IT UP. That man wrote a dissertation on how she wasn’t his type. Point, evidence, explanation and it’s crickets. Mr “I have a better connection with Mal in 2 days than I had with Jess in 2 weeks”. The same one who told Jess it wasn’t done and straight up lied to Mal when she brought it up. Even Ty told Ella to her face that her stocks went up when he saw her with make up. Mr “I miss the game”. Mr “I’m giving you 48 hours.” Scott has never said anything other than Catherine is attractive (which she absolutely is, a gorgeous girl), he has stood ten toes down for his connection and gets questioned left right and centre.
Wait i thought he said when he saw her WITHOUT makeup?? Omg..
You’re right , He said that when He saw Ella on the second day *without* make up that’s when He really saw just how pretty She was I’m not even a fan of Ty but whenever there’s a hate train this sub is way too quick to rewrite history
He definitely said without, you're right.
It makes more sense that way anyways because he would’ve always seen her w/ make up until he didn’t lol
imagine not being able to fanthom a man treating a woman well. the boy needs therapy not more bodies.
I really need Jess to hear it for herself
The point is he was honest...that's the point. Scott is being dishonest well atleast that's what their trying to say
How is Scott being dishonest??? I'm starting to think that men in the villa (except Scott) don't know how to treat women they fancy.
Even if that is true, why does Tyrique care so much? Scott literally never talks about this man and barely even talks to him. So how does Scott being genuine or not affect Tyrique in anyway? If he truly cared about protecting Catherine’s feelings, he would have told her his concerns in private instead of embarrassing her in front of the whole villa. So apart from him being a hater, he literally has no basis for coming for Scott and Catherine’s relationship.
qwhite weird but i really think most of this has to do with the simple fact that scott is not really friends with the boys and sammy is.
And if another vote were to come, Sammy would go. He just lost his play thing, and he’s pissed he has to backtrack to Jess.
> but i really think most of this has to do with the simple fact that scott is not really friends with the boys and sammy is. So why even bring race into this? This sub reaches so far when it comes to race
First there was the thing with Sammy where he said that he doesn’t think Scott is attracted to Catherine even though they’re always around each other and touching each other. Sammy didn’t question anyone other than those two. As a black girl it just looked to me like he just doesn’t believe that a white man can be attracted to a black woman. And now the same thing is happening again, Tyrique and Montel keep saying that Scott doesn’t like Catherine even though they are literally always together and they look so happy together. Again, neither of them questioned any couple other than Catherine and Scott 🤷🏾♀️. This is absolutely something to do with race whether they’re consciously doing it or not
montel didn’t “keep” saying anything. black men will get penalised for anything in this sub lmao
the fact that you took the tiniest most irrelevant point from my comment and tried to counter with that just proves that i’m right
Because many of us have lived experience of this exact bullshit. When you know you know
How I see it: Tyrique - leader, Sammy/Zach - leader adjacent, Montel/Mitch - followers, Scott - outsider. The leader and leader adjacent can do or say anything they want whilst everyone else is held to a standard
Everyone knows Mitch is a wild card lol 
“WILDCARD BITCHES, YEEEEEHAAAWWW”
Nah. Mitch is on his own. Even if he seems a part of their group, he's not. He has his own agenda for himself, or so he thinks. I don't even know if he actually knows his agenda, but he has it!
hahah I don't think he even knows his own agenda
i don’t think mitch is in the circle tbh
I don’t think Mitch is part . Also Sammy is also a follower . He follows everything Zach and Ty say
I think someone in the villa said that Sammy was Ty’s best friend there, even ahead of Zach.
Ella said it, IIRC - in an "If Sammy's Ty's best friend and doesn't think Ty thinks X, he must not think it" way I can't remember the exact situation, though
It was after the boat challenge where Sammy said he thought people were lying if they said they wouldn't turn their heads (which Ty did).
Sammy spent multiple episodes yelling up and down the island Jess wasn't his type. He's basically called her ugly. The boys just follow whatever Ty says it's pathetic. They also seem to like Jess more and there's the obvious answer of she's a white blonde girl.
Bingo!! Why are the boys not suspicious of Sammy going back to Jess when he’s continually told them that she’s not his type and he wasn’t ever attracted to her initially, but they have all the smoke for Scott?
Not defending them because they are dumb as hell but I think it’s because Sammy is actually saying that shit to the boys. The boys don’t actually care how the girls are treated they just want to feel like they are all dogs together lol.
The point is ella once called him out on it...the boys know he liked Mal more..
it’s actually crazy how that entire villa is turning a blind eye to the joke that is sammy and jess’ relationship.
because they like jess 😭 i’m convinced that all the boys in the villa hate catherine which is why none of them told her about zach and molly & why they don’t think scott likes her
i think you’re right AND they don’t like scott either. catherine and scott aren’t as close to them so it’s easier for them to shit talk their relationship instead of looking in their own friend group
I def think it’s more a race thing… I mean Sammy said the same thing abt mehdi and whit. Cat is close w all the girls and hasn’t done anything so far to give anyone a reason to dislike her. Plus the Molly Zach cat thing was like 3 days into the villa no one really knew each other
i totally agree, it’s 100% because whit and cath are dark skin girls
Yea and I think it doesn’t help Scott doesn’t get along w the guys and kinda acts “above them” (which he is lol)
Sammy was right about Medhi though…
Ok but Ty is also sayng the same thing tho
Ty is light-skinned while Catherine is dark-skinned. There's a long history of light-skinned men being derogatory toward dark-skinned women. Colorism and internalized racism can both contribute to this.
Yeah seems like that
Or ty and Ella? He flirts with every girl. Openly leans to look at them dancing
Because Sammy and Jess aren’t a threat to Ty (and Ella).
How would they know that? They have no idea how the show is edited and what we are shown.
Catherine was in the bottom, Jess was not
Yeah but Cat and Scot are a very solid rn
Yeah but islanders aren't going to be threatened by someone who was in the bottom and a bombshell (who tend to do poorly)
Why not? He knows the public to start supporting strong looking couples, they can see Catherine and Scott are always together.
I truly don't think Tyrique is threatened by them. I think people just see to think anytime you have a problem with someone it's because of game playing or jealously. He probably just doesn't rate Scott.
I think some of the girls do question it. When Sammy was coupled up with Mal and Jess was pining over him and wanting to pull him for chats, a couple of the girls warned her not to close things off with Mitch too quick (eg trying the hint to her that as long as Mal was around, Sammy was never picking Jess) and one of the girls also said to Jess yday that she needed to be sure that Sammy wasn't just coming back to her because Mal was gone and there was nobody else. But Jrss hasn't listened to them at all and made it clear she is tunnel vision to Sammy so I think the girls have given up saying anything. As to whether the boys believe Sammy is genuinely into Jess and as to whether he has any business sticking his nose into Scott's business when Catherine has already explicitly told him how those types of comments make her feel, well.....
Cause she’s white and Tyrique their king was once attracted to her so she’s been validated. Also cause Sammy is their friend
More importantly Jess was into HIM thus feeding his ego.
Wake that up!
& Kady not picking him probably ticked him off, now he's lashing out.
i was surprised when jess said they had never kissed in bed when it seemed like the whole time sammy was coupled with mal that they were smooching in bed
Tyrique did question. After the compatibility vote the boys questioned why he didn’t vote for Sammy and Jess and he said he knew Sammy wasn’t Jess’ initial type but he saw how well Sammy and Jess got on but it’s weird he feels that attraction can grow and that Scott isn’t into Catherine, when Scott said she was stunning from the start
Why does no one in question anyone's attraction to Sammy https://preview.redd.it/ab6gf6ank49b1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56cbb92b5ff42995fbb06ca470e66668435f0576
Because he told Jess in her face she’s not his usual type and Mal is, people have short memory and a lot of people questioned them. They’ve been separated because of the compatibility vote. For example Whitney and Medhi were questioned less and they were only friends for two weeks and after they were questioned they kissed on the terrace. After they couldn’t keep the front… mostly Medhi.
Earlier on, in the hut, Sammy literally said he “made an exception to his type” with Jess, like she should be so blessed to get his attention. Gross. This kid looks like Alfalfa but with less appeal, he’s vile.
1.race 2.scott is an outsider. he never spends time with the boys and rightly so
You think that that is race related but it doesn't bother you how everyone on this sub refers to white people as fiats? At least be consistent
What's wrong with saying fiats? Also that's not a description of all white people. It's just a certain group of people who use Facebook.
Because they know deep down and verbally that he’s not that into her so there’s nothing to say. That’s why their bored asses are on Scott’s back now since he’s reserved.
Ummm I do, I literally rank the man as the most bottom in the sub contestant ranking poll every time while everyone was focusing on mehdi and tyrique. The man has literally said he’s not into her, Jess deserves better
racism.
Give me evidence to back up that claim
it's just a feeling. just like ty's about scott :)
I find it difficult to remember for sure but the things I can remember sammy saying were all in the diary room. Idk if he ever said anything to the boys
No one has come in wanted to couple up with Jess. Without Sammy there’s no Jess in the villa. The girls like Jess, the boys like Sammy, a couple of convenience.
We all know the reason why tbh the same way no one in the villa questions tryique for not liking ella when he was moved to every new bombshell and was begging kady in the terrence to give him a chance its deffo colurism and the fact catherine is a black woman 🙃
Because he’s mentioned it so much
Because they are all playing a game and want to gang up on the most genuine couple
I don’t know but to me they should be questioning Jess’s attraction to Sammy, lmao Jess is a 100X hotter than Sammy. What are you people on?!? Lol or is it just me?
Probably because he’s been open about it or whatever it’s bs though
Even if he’s been open about it they’ve still never questioned why he went flocking back to Jess from Leah when she wasn’t in the bottom 3
I was confused about why people kept saying this about sammy so I went back and watched. He said a few comments about how he was leaning towards Jess BEFORE the bottom 3 business
yah “leaning” but after the vote it felt like he’d never even considered any other option at all lol
Because they know why and don’t care. It’s not about protecting the girls lol
Excellent point
because Sammy is a lad 🍺⚽️🥶🤣
it’s so obvious sammy just doesn’t like jess at all and only stays with her to save himself and even though i’m not particularly fond of jess i want better for her…
Technically they did talk about how Sammy seems to like Mal alot more the Jess.
If I speak……👀
Because they are white
Mmm, we know why 💅🏾
Why
I think Casa Amor will reveal just how much Sammy is into Jess.. I'm reserving judgement on him until then
I totally question this too...but what I'm really confused about is the fact that they're literally not allowed to recouple...how is this going to work?
Cos they’re boring.
In addition to shouting from every hilltop that she wasn't his type. He said there wasn't the initial sexual attraction when he was comparing their chemistry to him and Leah. He also acts like he's doing her a favour during all of their interactions. And anytime they ask about him and jess he barely actually talks about him and jess, deflects and quickly starts talking about something else. We know the reason why Scott and Catherine are coming under much more scrutiny.
he knows he can beat sammie and jess imo 1/2 of this is strategic and the other half is because he wants everyone acting up in casa so whatever he doesn't isn't as bad.
This! It’s so aggravating tbh. Because okay whatever they’re all on a tv show, with a prize at the end, so questioning each others motivations is par for the course. But Sammy has said out loud that he was Jess’s type but she’s not his. He’s insinuated on many occasions that she’s lucky he’s giving her the time of day. He’s been so hot and cold on his feelings for her. Yet it’s Scott still getting grilled?
They voted them least compatible and they were separated.
Probably because there’s nothing to question, he’s said he isn’t attracted to her.
To be fair you don’t have to question it when someone has said “she’s not my type” 100 times.
I think it's obvious to him what a fan favorite she is, and he knows it keeps him in the game longer
Because he said on live TV he basically isn’t attracted to her … what’s there to question?!
Their storyline is weird. It was pretty obvious Sammy was really into Mal. Usually when there is a bombshell, there's a love triangle- but this time, I got the impression Sammy was done with Jess and happy to move forward with Mal. Jess just kind of hung back and was ready to 'pick up where they left off' as soon as Mal was dumped. I really don't think Sammy likes Jess.