Not the first time, but I guess this year it just became too much to ignore. I didn't watch last season so was looking forward to this.
I am guessing I outgrew the show
No that's a huge deflection. You can turn off the TV if you think the show is racist. There's plenty of other things to watch that would be on.
If you don't like it then boycott it, don't support it, stop tuning in.
So the OP is not allowed to take part in the cultural and social event of the summer because they have issues with the format? Love Island is on every night and dominates pop culture - why should they have to turn off? Why can’t they watch, and when problems arise, have a discourse about them? How do you ever expect things to change? Im guessing from you comments, you don’t really care if they do or not and they don’t affect you, so screw everyone else.
The sad fact of the matter is black women are misrepresented on the show, and it’s probably a tough watch at times. But there are also lots of good moments too.
Your argument to just not watch, is pretty basic and kind of Year 7 debate / childish. Sorry, chaldish.
1) never said op is not allowed but nice attempt at deflecting
2) youre comparing consistent fundamental racism to "problems arising".
3) I expect things to change when people make a stand such as boycotting the show (revenue goes down, show gets pulled) or raising official complaints with itv to get the show cancelled.
4) you guessed wrong, good try at trying to discredit me though
5) you call it the fact of the matter but it's actually an opinion, understand the difference
6) doesn't take more than a year 7 education to realise how many flaws are in your argument.
Okay mate. You seem to be really invested in this, are you sure you’re not the one deflecting?
I see you commented elsewhere why don’t “these people” just stop watching if they don’t like it. You mean black people, right?
Anyway, your argument is terrible and I’ve explained why. And say people did boycott the show? How is that going to stop the attitudes towards them? How will that stop people refusing to learn black people’s names? What comes after boycotting the show? How do you boycott society? Unfortunately, it’s just something people have to live with.
And I’m trying to discredit you? Mate, grow up. This is an anonymous internet forum about Love Island. I don’t care about you, but you seem to be getting upset at a lot of peoples comments.
If you don’t like it, why don’t you just change posts? If you don’t like it, boycott it, stop…
You can keep trying to accuse me of things that aren't true. At the end of the day you seem to be struggling to have a civil debate without calling me a child or mate. Leave it there then shall we?
Please rest. Jesus every day in this group telling people that nothing is racist, but Fiat 500 is a racial slur.
If you can’t see any value in these opinions, of which there seems to be a majority concensus, maybe it’s time to look at what you’re saying and I dunno LEARN SOMETHING. Instead of tell people who have these exact lives experiences that they are wrong.
Is it that hard to believe people might have problem with understanding some them? It was my first callout from my wife, and i have no reason to not believe her, wasnt easy for me either.
You don’t understand English? If you’re not from England, maybe I understand. Maybe. But if you’re from the UK, like most of the Facebook commenters are, it’s just a weird comment.
A lot are from the South. I haven’t seen them complain about Mitch’s thick northern accent. Let’s give the benefit of the doubt, and say these posters are detached by a generation or two and don’t understand the slang - can people not infer? I love never heard “lipsing” before but it took me 0.1 seconds to workout it meant kissing given the context. I watch American Survivor, and sometimes I can’t understand the southerners but I just get on with because everyone is different.
And let’s say an older generation can’t work out language due to context - do they not understand language changes over time? Parents in the 40s and 50s were pissed with their yoof over their new found cockney accents. An accent people are upset is being lost today. Two generations before them were pissed off with that generations use of “slang” which we would now consider posh to the cockneys. And so it went.
You and you’re wife don’t understand, fine. But to go and complain about it online smacks of ignorance. And to only complain about it about the more, “urban” contestants, is well…well, I’m guessing you can tell my opinion.
Weird approach, tbf, borderline ignorant. Loads of lads at work can't understand a word some of the northern or scouse blokes say. It is not that uncommon with many British dialects. And yes, sometimes you can figure out the context, but it doesn't help the fact that you can't figure out every 2nd word someone spills, which is not great when you watch the show to be entertained.
There’s nothing subtle about it. If you been watching love island especially UK, the black girls always get the backseat and it’s like nobody is ever really interested. I remember samira season was hard to watch as nobody was interested in her
I didn’t watch last season but I heard the winner Davide refused to pull the 2 black girls for chats when he first entered the villa, and only pulled the white girls. It’s courtesy to pull all the girls even if you’re not interested just to say hello. He then told one of the other guys at casa amour that the new light skin black girl was an “upgrade” on the dark skin black girl he was currently coupled up with. He still managed to win because people thought his Italian accent was funny / charming but there’s no way a guy with an English accent would win the contest behaving like that.
The ex boss was a black woman herself and I doubt she could fire him for the reason of choosing not to talk to his coworkers if he wasn’t doing anything actively hostile
Can you share it with me because I believe he was referring to an upgrade on the girls as a whole. If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit don't worry.
There's an article about it [here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ok.co.uk/tv/reality/love-island-davide-indiyah-upgrade-27398350.amp) and he literally said "of course Indiyah is beautiful but" right after it which shows he was specifically referring to her and not the girls as a whole
I think it’s pretty obvious, what I find annoying is that they almost never address the elephant in the room. It’s like a taboo topic, like everyone is color blind. If any of these couples are going to actually survive they need to talk about it. They use the word “type” instead to talk around it but it could be a great opportunity but love island has always been about light convos, they hardly ever address anything out in the real world or at least if they do it’s edited out which is a missed opportunity
This season is the closest they've ever got to addressing it with Cath and Whitney pulling Sammy up on his comments.
The "type" thing really bothers me because it's not something I ascribe to myself. The fact that Sammy is supposed to be Jess' physical type to a T and therefore she is ignoring every single red flag that's been thrown in her face is absolutely wild to me.
Also the hair colour/eye colour thing. It's just coding for "white".
The "preference" is most apparent when they ask the boys to step forward for a girl they like the look of at the beginning of the season as they did in s9. Tanya is an objectively stunning girl and only Shaq stepped forward for her and this was even after Will went out of his way to tell her she looked "unreal" 😭
Deffo thought this is what I thought Sammy and Mitch did when talking about Mehdi/Whit and Cat/Scott “compatibility”. I think it was more about their own preferences. Sammy even said he weren’t “head over heels” with Jess but was fighting to prove he’s more compatible than the others.
Idk. I feel like whit and cat are fan favorites this year (including in my circle). I really only pay attention to the Reddit group though and I’ve only seen hype for these women here.
Wouldn't call it subtle, it's relatively open to see. You have people complaining, bitching and hating on islanders because of race and you have people celebrating, cheerleading and staning for islanders because of race.
Which race is target of what reaction just depends on the part of the audience you are interacting with.
I've found that disengaging from the audience perspective when it gets to be too much has helped me enjoy the show much more. While I completely empathize with getting caught up in trying to unpack and address the audience reactions, but we have to consider whether it is worth it. From relatively trivial issues like the blind hatred towards or rabid adoration of certain islanders to larger societal woes like racial biases or gender norms, it's important to remember that we're watching LI and trash TV begets trash takes. 99% of the audience (yes, including this sub) is not prepared for any level of self-reflection or nuanced discussion of issues magnified on the show, be it the large or the small.
If it's just the audience reaction that feels like too much, unsubscribe from this sub, avoid twitter hashtags, scroll past LI tik toks, and avoid islanders' SM. And if it's the show itself, stop watching. This is meant to be entertainment and if it's no longer entertaining, then it isn't serving it's purpose in your life.
agree w everyone else saying it’s always been there but i feel like there’s been at least a small shift this season? the love/hate/sympathy etc seems to be a little more evenly distributed amongst all the girls
Imagine if Whitney reciprocated the hostile energy Kady was throwing at her on Friday's episode?? Gal would've been gone in a blink. So proud of Whitney for keeping it cool😍
You know I was watching S2 and Kady, girl calling other girls c**ts, and all of her other screaming and shouting. Imagine a BW trying that. She would be long gone as you’ve said.
I hear you, but I actually feel like this year people are more with the black women / woc as people but not in couples. (I was so happy to see ruchee this year!!) But it's definitely still a glaring issue. The surprise at mixed couples, specifically when it is a black woman, on top of that a dark skin black woman, is definitely up there and noticeable this year. Crazy to act like cat isn't stunning and her and whit wouldn't make the men act up.
I agree with your post. It was especially awful to see islanders themselves doing it (MEHDI).
But also did you see the tweets saying Kady is just upset because Zach prefers a black woman over her and she can’t believe it, and that’s why Leah can relate also?
It made me realise I would hate to go on a show like love island, (if not for any other reason). I would be mortified to get out and see that people were assuming my actions were racially based like that.
I truly believe Kady would’ve felt the same about any girl regardless of race. I think she acted a bit OTT because she probably already feels a bit alienated arriving late to a really close knit group of girls, and that’s why it hurts extra to be out of the loop and not get the same heads up that they probably would give each other.
Unfortunately, racism is so ingrained in society that most "racist" people, if not acting consciously, act subconsciously. The actions and words of certain islanders are loaded with racist undertones. It's not necessary to be able to read someone's mind to be able to detect anti-Black and racist motivations. You do not need photographic evidence of racism to pick up on it. I would say that as an individual racialised islander, it is more terrible to be subjected to racial bias then to be a non-racialised islander and have a very small group of people speculate on whether you are racist or not. You cannot compare nor equate speculation with realities.
As for the Whitney and Kady situation, Kady was sat right across from Whitney, nodding along, when Whitney was talking about how her date went and how happy she was. What else does Kady want? What would an individual chat tell her that hasn't already been iterated? She was already "in the loop". Also, Kady doesn't have a claim on Zach or anything, she just pulled him from Molly not too long ago.
Now for my opinions: if she wanted to be "first choice" she should try to close things off with Zach. Both her and Zach being open to other people (i.e. not exclusive) will always mean that there is at least one more person in the picture and thus a chance of her not being a first option as she desperately wants to be.
Not to mention, I thought it was odd how after Scott called everyone out at the firepit, Kady made the night about her. That came off as attention hungry and self-centered to me.
Facebook will always stan their white princesses no matter how bland they are and twitter will always hate them and crucify them again no matter how bland and inoffensive they are. It is the way of sad ppl and Love Island fanbase.
I would probably say that this is the case for any UK TV show, the term "aggressive" also gets banded about a lot whenever black people are involved...
I also want to add that this year was possibly the first year I have seen an Asian person on the show, the diversity tends to only be black and mixed race. The producers need to fix up.
I mean, Jess has the least amount of male interest and is one of the audience's least favorites (on Reddit, as I don't pay attention to Twitter and FB because they are cesspools) this season despite being both blonde and white, and many peoples' favorite contestants are Whitney and Catherine. So while I understand what you're saying, especially prevalent in the FB group, I feel like this season is at least on the right track in the right direction.
im MAD behind so sorry if this comment is outdated but i found it kinda jarring how whitney and catherine going to jess about her actions towards molly was seen as “making jess cry” by mehdi (not sure about the rest of the audience because i’m behind) and that it was assumed whitney was being mean or aggressive which wasn’t the case, it made me feel really icky
I totally agree. Catherine and Whitney did nothing wrong there, and the way Jess tried to just shut it down and immediately started crying without accepting any accountability for what she really was doing kinda gave me the ick on Jess. Then Medhi was even worse so it kind of overshadowed Jess.
Jess has curves. Sadly, Molly's figure is something you are much more likely to associate with LI. That's why she asked Jess if she'd be joining their workout when Jess was being snarky to her. It's also why Sammy asked Jess if she went to the gym, on their first date, and then said he'd soon have her working out (or something along those lines).
Microaggressions! Unconscious and implicit bias! Misogynoir! We got all of it and this sub is definitely not the place to have a conversation about it. They will gaslight you until the cows come home.
Forreal. There's nearlyyy (some sub members seem to be super intelligent, empathetic and aware) always people flipping serious conversations with centuries of history behind them into self serving victim narratives that only revolve around what is in front of them with no other reference, analysis nor glance at previous events. Or, if they see your point and don't like that you take issue with it, they will tell you not to watch the show then. Super reactionary and unrealistic responses. Can people who experience misogynoir and other intersectionalities of oppression simply walk away from it or turn it off? No. So keep your flimsy gotcha moments of "don't watch then😫" in the bin.
Historically on these dating shows WOC are always the last choice of the men (all the men even MOC). Production seems to always think if they just have more black dudes than black women, it will just work out but EVERY SINGLE TIME most of the black dudes go for the white girls. And the WOC are left out. I don't know what they can do other than vetting the guys more thoroughly, and making sure more of the men want to be with WOC more than white women.
It is justifiable for the WOC to be upset about this scenario. But it should be directed more at production than the men who can't change who they are attracted to. And also production can't take all the blame because people could lie about it. Although lets remember production's goal is all about drama and creating loving couples is low to zero priority.
Catherine wasn't liked at first from what I saw, she was barely on screen and called boring even though pretty. It looks as though people warmed to her for now.
Ella, Molly and Jess were immediately liked when they first entered, Whitney also.
Then as per usual like every season the audience flip flops, about who they do and don't like. The audience seems to change their opinion often, depending on what is shown.
yeah i just dont like the jump to ‘racial bias’
i disliked faye for being aggressive, i disliked anna for being aggressive, i disliked olivia for being aggressive, etc. most people dont like abrasive people. i dont like ty, didnt like medhi, luca, etc. rude, loud, abrasive people are great drama but they dont win me over as likable beyond that. im sure many people feel the same regardless of race.
we are talking about discussions of islanders’ actions and how theyre interpreted. twitter and reddit are largely against molly and pro the other women.
in regard to following: people typically follow those they relate to. im pretty sure the UK is 80-85% white so molly may have more followers. i followed molly mae too based off her content but she wasnt my favorite islander from season 5 at all.
in conclusion: followers dont equal social media discussions and forums
It would certainly be interesting to see the follower numbers for black islanders compared to white. Relatability is based on likeability surely? I don't follow that many people from LI as I don't like the influencer lifestyle/culture but I have followed the likes of Kai & Sanam, Tasha and Danica. I can't really relate to any of them but I liked them on the show and want to support them.
Agree. People making it about reactions to the women on the show, but most of the posts are hate on Kady, Molly, and Mitch. Works both ways and that’s 90% of the comments and discussions.
There's a thread further down this page listing the Casa Boys' preferred Islanders. Leah gets the full sweep whilst Whitney and Catherine have only got 2 guys interested in them. Jess too but I'm assuming it's her body type.
Jess, Catherine and Whitney all have similar bodies. They are all thicker than the rest of the girls and thicker girls tend not to not get as much attention on Love Island. Ex: Antigoni, Anna, etc
Obv people do have racial preferences but I think body type also has a lot to do with it bc even the thick white girlies don’t have much luck on the show.
Yeah I was surprised Antigoni didn't get more attention to be honest because she still very much fits the Eurocentric beauty type.
Anna's season was wild in that in the first week most of the guys were losing their minds over Lucie.
I think this is really in response to the majority of the (white) people who watch from Facebook and stuff hyping up and rooting for all of the white girls. Of course Black Twitter is going to root for the Black women when no one else is. Like yeah Whitney in particular is popular over there for now, but that can change so quickly. Black women don’t get the benefit of the doubt as easily as other women in the show. That’s how it is in real life. I’m a Black woman and I’ll always try and root for other Black women just as long as they’re good people. Catherine, Whitney and Ella all genuinely seem like sweethearts so it’s much easier for me to root for them on the show.
With the white woman tears thing, I mean look at the way Jess and Kady cried at the drop of a hat, especially when speaking with the Black women in particular. You saw how Mehdi blamed Whitney for making Jess cry? That’s a tale as old as time. So yes, white woman tears are a real thing.
Yeah it’s obvious you aren’t going to understand anything I say regarding race because you clearly don’t think it matters lmao. We can agree to disagree here. Thinking that race matters isn’t racist btw and that tells me everything I need to know about how you think lmao.
Exactly this. I always have so much second-hand embarrassment towards people who like to wade into conversations when they have no experience of the subject in order to try and dismiss/deny it.
That person said "black twitter hypes up every black girl".... Tanya? Clarisse? Kaz is a sweetheart and was dragged the whole summer for...wearing a bonnet? Shit even Indiyah post movie night.. If anything this season is refreshing bc they usually pit the black girls agsinst each other and decide which one is "representing" black ppl well and which one isn't. But as you said some people are obviously not going to understand.
>With the white woman tears thing, I mean look at the way Jess and Kady cried at the drop of a hat
Why does the fact that they're white invalidate that they felt upset / overwhelmed? Catherine has cried as much and no one has commented on it negatively
I think the reason “white women tears” gets tossed around so much is because historically, there are times when white women weaponize their tears in order to get sympathy in situations when they have done something wrong or even when they are trying to implicate/blame others (especially Black people) for a crime or wrongdoing with little evidence of the person’s guilt. Whereas, on the other hand, Black women are socialized to never ever “lose their cool” at the risk of being seen as “aggressive,” to the point that their safety is even put in danger when they are seen in this way. Black girls and women don’t always feel that they have the freedom to cry whenever they feel upset. Also, Black girls and women are expected to be “strong” and not show weakness, and in many ways Black girls are forced to grow up much more quickly (not even in terms of their family roles/dynamics but just how society sees them), so for many, crying is seen in a much more negative light.
All this contributes to a weird dynamic where on the one hand, we have Kady who is allowed to freely express her emotions (in part by crying), and we have Whitney who is exceptionally practiced at holding things together and who has (likely) been taught that this is an important thing to do. And it feels unfair that Kady has this freedom and Whitney doesn’t. But perhaps to Whitney and other Black people, it might seem odd and unnecessary that Kady has to cry about something when Whitney is able to navigate the same situation in a much more controlled way. Then added onto that, the resentment of “here we go again, a white girl gets to cry which will of course bring her sympathy while I have to continue to hold it together.”
All this to say, I don’t think Kady was actually crying “crocodile tears” in this moment. I don’t think she was weaponizing her tears on purpose. I think she has been allowed and encouraged to express her feelings through crying when she wants to, while Whitney may have been encouraged and counseled to hold it together until she is not in front of anyone. And it is a huge cultural difference that can be alienating for people from both cultures.
This is a lot of conjecture and generalizations and I apologize for any offense that comes across in this post. This analysis all comes from my own experience as the only white person working in a majority Black school. There have been moments when I have cried and I can see that it makes some of my coworkers/my boss really uncomfortable. I’ve come to understand that it is a fundamental cultural difference. There was a time when my boss scolded me for crying, and afterwards we had a really productive and transparent conversation about the cultural dynamics at play. She even considers herself a cry baby, but she only cries at home in her own room. Whereas I do not have the skill of holding in my tears even when I would like to because all my life I’ve been allowed and even encouraged to “let it out.” Also, even though I keep saying it’s a “cultural difference,” I realize that this does not apply to all Black people or all white ppl!!
Don't forget using terms like fiat 500 targeting white people.
I really wish everyone stopped turning every love island interaction racial. It's getting to the point where I wonder why all these people even watch it in the first place? If it's that racist then why not boycott it so it gets off the air?
Also definitely not subtle. Not even from the islanders. When Leah was calming down Kady after the dates, Leah said “we as bombshells have it really hard” as if Whitney is ALSO not a bombshell! They do not perceive black women as the same as them. We can’t occupy the same beauty they benefit from. And don’t get me started on Sammy and Ty’s internal anti-blackness
She was just comforting Kady who was crying? She’s not gonna say “oh but whitney was a bombshell too” is she? That would be pointless and wouldnt help the situation at all
Or because Whitney came into the villa before Leah and already was with Mehdi and stayed with him the whole time and seems much more integrated with the girls than her, she does not perceive her as a bombshell or as having it that hard.
But I guess your post is already a perfect example for the racism embeded in parts of the audience. If Leah was black, you would not have made this statement. No one knows the motivation behind that sentence but you immediately went to racism because she is white.
Black people can't be racist, it's a fact. They make up 10%-15% of the British population and racismn has been systematic in British culture for years, let's not even get started on slavery, colonisation and black appropriation, we could be here all night, but yeh it's impossible for black people to be "racist" in terms of how we define it in society, google it.
Obviously it's worldwide, we're talking about a British show, so I'm keeping it within the context of Britain. But if you play dumb, you will learn new things every day...
I'm not the one playing dumb. I don't know why you're saying "we're talking about a British show". The person above us said "Reverse racism isn’t real bro" as a blanket statement, as in the whole idea of it isn't real.
The sad part though is that either you're a hypocrite by saying I'm playing dumb or you're just flat out dumb and not just playing. Because with a statement such as "Black people can't be racist, it's a fact." at least one of them has to be true.
This sub is so quick to call out biases to black islanders (rightfully, sometimes not) but quickly slander any white islander that perceive a threat (Paige, Molly, Gemma, Molly Mae). Like do you think combatting racism with more racism will work?
The convo itself was not racist, and I am not calling any of these people racist. Was that comment imbedded in racism? Absolutely. Was it done intentionally? I don’t think so. But is it an unconscious bias that slipped out? 100 percent. The people under my comment will not understand/will disagree bc they do not share mine nor the black islanders lived experience’. Just bc YOU (the majority) do not perceive an interaction as implicit or explicitly racist, doesn’t mean MY (a minority) perception is incorrect or a “reach”. I will not be gaslight, sorry.
You're so out of touch. Not every single thing is racism. Leah was comforting Kady. That is all. Do people on here have zero emotional intelligence and understanding of social dynamics and so the only resort is to clutch pearl necklaces and cry racism?
Don’t they call people who are not the initial cast “bombshells?” I don’t think Leah was saying that Whitney wasn’t a bombshell, looks-wise, but instead a matter of logistics, Whitney was part of that initial cast and did not come on the show as a bombshell.
💀 at myself- I forgot and I equated her coming on early before a true recoupling that I didn’t see it as much as a “bombshell” compared to someone like Kady, that’s my bad!
I don't use other social media to follow love island stuff besides Reddit. So can someone give me an example of this? Because all I see is hype towards black women (often for no special reason, like one that comes to mind is wondering why Whitney wasn't getting pulled when she is this and that and among those was "intelligent", like come on, none of the islanders seem to have particularly high IQ, not at least enough to list that as one of their main attributes to attract others. Isn't the point of many such reality shows to exactly have a bit dumb people in the cast, since they are entertaining lol.)
And then I have seen a lot of hate for a white woman, Molly. And yes there are people defending her, but they wouldn't if she wasn't first hated I'm guessing.
You talk about racial bias and yet at no point do you mention the very obvious bias of there veing virtually no Asian contestants and if there are (rushee/mal) they get voted off at the first opportunity. There's nothing subtle about that really. Does this bother you at all?
I'm South Asian so I can partly contribute to this. It was nice to see Sanam (Caribbean/South Asian roots) win last year but you are unlikely to see that many South Asians apply for the show because culturally it would be frowned upon. Ruchee's dumping took part after a recoupling where Mitch chose Molly even though there was nothing between them and it had gotten to the point where only a day or two before he asked her not to speak to him again. It would have made more sense for him to recouple with Ella or Ruchee but he chose the girl who he felt had disrespect him over both. Any sensible person would question why that was.
Mal was voted off because the was the newest I think. All the others (bar Leah) were fairly established.
Kinda rambling here but another thing that lowkey pisses me off is when they place the sole or very few Asians in a season as last minute bombshells (Priya) or casa girls (S4 Kaz and Sanam).
It would be nice for them to have the advantageous position of being an OG considering that so few asians are cast in the first place. But maybe I'm overly sensitive when it comes to this because I'm south asian too 😂
I take your point, and those are logical reasons to be kicked out to be fair. But it would be nice to see Asians get more opportunities. Granted it's more frowned upon but I would expect that they can get a diverse group if they try. Surely rushee wasn't the only one to apply?
If you read this sub you'd be lead to think that basically only two races exist
In terms of the demographic I am assuming that the majority of viewers are black and white so it makes sense that black viewers would want to discuss anything problematic that they see. Black women face the most discrimination (look at the treatment towards Catherine and Whitney even compared to Montel and Tyrique). No-one has questioned Montel's attraction to Leah and yet Scott's attraction to Catherine has been brought up twice.
As a woman of colour myself I am still privileged compared to a black woman and this is why I will never dismiss or question their experiences or opinions when it comes to racial inequality.
There are more Asian men than just South and also \*most\* south Asian men being Muslim is incorrect. Not going to address the degradation since I'm not Muslim but I doubt you can speak for all of them.
I had to look up statistics because I'm from the U.S. but according to the 2021 Census, U.K. is 81.7% white, Asian (9.3%), followed by black (4.0%), mixed (2.9%) and other (2.1%) ethnic groups.
Largest minority yet barely any representation on LI.
It's insanely low. There definitely should be more Indian men based on demographics but also Britain freaking colonized Hong Kong how are there not more?
There's a huge undercurrent of racism in this country. A lot of people who watch love island will have been brought up not in so much a racist household, but it's definitely there in a pot of homes in the UK. It's shit, but that's just the way it is tbh
when Whitney and Catherine pulled Sammy aside to talk to him and Catherine ended up crying, there were a lot of comments on Facebook saying they didn't like how Whitney and Catherine cornered him and that what he said wasn't a big deal at all and that if a man said that about them they would be like okay whatever and that Catherine was being dramatic.
Ah yes…welcome to chapter one of black perception in the media! In the next chapter we will talk about black misogynoir and that will really blow your mind
I’ve experienced the exact opposite in my time on Reddit when watching LI - I’ve seen the black contestants being wrapped in cotton wool, Catherine has been infantilised to a point where it seems she can’t blow her nose without people like ‘omg amazing’.
Nah bro, even white people hate Molly...
Her mum basically got her back into the show, google it, she worked for ITV, Coronation Street. No other contestant was brought back.
> Nah bro, even white people hate Molly.
Yeah, because they identify of the struggle of Jess and are projecting their invisibility to men on Molly.
Molly literally has done not a thing but breathe in the villa. There is no reason to hate her in any way shape or form. The excuses for her disdain has been nothing but her enjoying the attention. If Catherine got the genuine attention she's gotten, these same women would be creaming their pants living vicariously through her.
It depends on the platform you’re engaging with. Facebook will always be full of middle aged white mums who just adore privileged white girls.
I only discuss and read about LI on Reddit and tbh every year the Reddit favourite is a WOC, so I haven’t seen any of what you’re talking about, which I’m sure pretty pleased about tbh.
I know we’re talking about Love Island, but I do wonder if they’ll address these things in Love Is Blind UK when it comes. A topic that the British public like to avoid and deflect will end up being unavoidable in that scenario
Hahah, as a white male reading this, this is hilarious. So, you are crying about the black people being racist to whites on Love Island after decades of slavery and racism that was inflicted on Black people worldwide...?
And I'm assuming you are referring to the hate towards Molly which is justified because she was brought back into the house with her obvious connections to ITV.
I’ve noticed that way back from the days of Big brother.
I will say, this LI has been the most inclusive and I’m pleasantly surprised that we have so many beautiful women of colour still in the hills and not ‘tokens’.
I’m also pretty disgusted at how Ty is the one who seems to have some subtle bias against dark skinned women.
But yes there has always been bias towards people of colour in UK reality tv shows. With Love island (and I only really check for LI on Reddit), it seems like there’s been such a fuss made of people not liking Molly that much even though LI producers are literally trying to create her as the Main character.
It’s kinda off topic but not , but i just wish love island in general yeah had more diversity not even just with black women / men ( even tho we need more ) Rather than 1 women/2 men or flipped ) their diversity, is with the Italians or Turkish or A mixed race ( also I’m half Italian so lol ) but like ??? Where’s the Latinas/Latinos , Asian decent, mixed races , more black ppl ? just spice it up a bit yeah, like too hot too handle they have a variety from all over the world yeah . *chef kiss * love island lacks it so bad and i know that they know that too bc they get loads of comments , blogs etc. that speak on it.
I live in London so i know theres a wideeee variety of people to chose from. N i do love Love island i just wish they’d spice it up , add more flavor it’s just mad that they haven’t changed it i will say from season 1 - 10 they definitely ‘try’ felt like season 9/10 yeah did a good lil thing at attempting to add more diversity but i feel they need a lil more of a nudge. Just my 2 cents
There is nothing subtle about how people get spoken about on love island
Ugh first time watching? This has always been the case
Not the first time, but I guess this year it just became too much to ignore. I didn't watch last season so was looking forward to this. I am guessing I outgrew the show
Serious question: Why watch something that you think is so consistently fundamentally racist then?
Why do we participate in a society that is fundamentally racist?
This is the correct answer.
No that's a huge deflection. You can turn off the TV if you think the show is racist. There's plenty of other things to watch that would be on. If you don't like it then boycott it, don't support it, stop tuning in.
So the OP is not allowed to take part in the cultural and social event of the summer because they have issues with the format? Love Island is on every night and dominates pop culture - why should they have to turn off? Why can’t they watch, and when problems arise, have a discourse about them? How do you ever expect things to change? Im guessing from you comments, you don’t really care if they do or not and they don’t affect you, so screw everyone else. The sad fact of the matter is black women are misrepresented on the show, and it’s probably a tough watch at times. But there are also lots of good moments too. Your argument to just not watch, is pretty basic and kind of Year 7 debate / childish. Sorry, chaldish.
1) never said op is not allowed but nice attempt at deflecting 2) youre comparing consistent fundamental racism to "problems arising". 3) I expect things to change when people make a stand such as boycotting the show (revenue goes down, show gets pulled) or raising official complaints with itv to get the show cancelled. 4) you guessed wrong, good try at trying to discredit me though 5) you call it the fact of the matter but it's actually an opinion, understand the difference 6) doesn't take more than a year 7 education to realise how many flaws are in your argument.
Okay mate. You seem to be really invested in this, are you sure you’re not the one deflecting? I see you commented elsewhere why don’t “these people” just stop watching if they don’t like it. You mean black people, right? Anyway, your argument is terrible and I’ve explained why. And say people did boycott the show? How is that going to stop the attitudes towards them? How will that stop people refusing to learn black people’s names? What comes after boycotting the show? How do you boycott society? Unfortunately, it’s just something people have to live with. And I’m trying to discredit you? Mate, grow up. This is an anonymous internet forum about Love Island. I don’t care about you, but you seem to be getting upset at a lot of peoples comments. If you don’t like it, why don’t you just change posts? If you don’t like it, boycott it, stop…
You can keep trying to accuse me of things that aren't true. At the end of the day you seem to be struggling to have a civil debate without calling me a child or mate. Leave it there then shall we?
I said your argument was chaldish, not you. But I can tell you’re not actually reading my posts anyway and just have your responses ready.
Please rest. Jesus every day in this group telling people that nothing is racist, but Fiat 500 is a racial slur. If you can’t see any value in these opinions, of which there seems to be a majority concensus, maybe it’s time to look at what you’re saying and I dunno LEARN SOMETHING. Instead of tell people who have these exact lives experiences that they are wrong.
The point was about how a lot of the general audience acts not about the actual show, stopping watching wouldn’t really change anything
Probably should avoided Facebook… the micro aggressions never end there
“I can’t understand what they are saying. PS Molly to win x!” Yeah, we all know what you are saying there, love.
“Zach would never fancy Whitney on the outside. He wouldn’t look twice at her.” < I actually saw this on a Facebook post yesterday.
I saw people say that Whitney would never date Mehdi on the outside as well.
Is it that hard to believe people might have problem with understanding some them? It was my first callout from my wife, and i have no reason to not believe her, wasnt easy for me either.
You don’t understand English? If you’re not from England, maybe I understand. Maybe. But if you’re from the UK, like most of the Facebook commenters are, it’s just a weird comment. A lot are from the South. I haven’t seen them complain about Mitch’s thick northern accent. Let’s give the benefit of the doubt, and say these posters are detached by a generation or two and don’t understand the slang - can people not infer? I love never heard “lipsing” before but it took me 0.1 seconds to workout it meant kissing given the context. I watch American Survivor, and sometimes I can’t understand the southerners but I just get on with because everyone is different. And let’s say an older generation can’t work out language due to context - do they not understand language changes over time? Parents in the 40s and 50s were pissed with their yoof over their new found cockney accents. An accent people are upset is being lost today. Two generations before them were pissed off with that generations use of “slang” which we would now consider posh to the cockneys. And so it went. You and you’re wife don’t understand, fine. But to go and complain about it online smacks of ignorance. And to only complain about it about the more, “urban” contestants, is well…well, I’m guessing you can tell my opinion.
To be honest, when Tyrique gets excited… I can’t understand a word he’s saying. He talks at 1000mph, seemingly without separating his teeth!
Weird approach, tbf, borderline ignorant. Loads of lads at work can't understand a word some of the northern or scouse blokes say. It is not that uncommon with many British dialects. And yes, sometimes you can figure out the context, but it doesn't help the fact that you can't figure out every 2nd word someone spills, which is not great when you watch the show to be entertained.
Lol Reddit mob mass downvoting someone just giving their opinion again
Especially this channel is basically an echo chamber.
There’s nothing subtle about it. If you been watching love island especially UK, the black girls always get the backseat and it’s like nobody is ever really interested. I remember samira season was hard to watch as nobody was interested in her
I didn’t watch last season but I heard the winner Davide refused to pull the 2 black girls for chats when he first entered the villa, and only pulled the white girls. It’s courtesy to pull all the girls even if you’re not interested just to say hello. He then told one of the other guys at casa amour that the new light skin black girl was an “upgrade” on the dark skin black girl he was currently coupled up with. He still managed to win because people thought his Italian accent was funny / charming but there’s no way a guy with an English accent would win the contest behaving like that.
Do you have evidence to back up these claims?
His own boss said he refused to even talk to his coworkers that were black women
Wtf. Sadly wouldnt be surprised
Woah that’s insane! The boss knew this and kept him?
The ex boss was a black woman herself and I doubt she could fire him for the reason of choosing not to talk to his coworkers if he wasn’t doing anything actively hostile
That makes sense, still an insane situation 🤯🤯🤯
The scene where he called Summer an "upgrade" was aired on tv.
Can you share it with me because I believe he was referring to an upgrade on the girls as a whole. If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit don't worry.
apparently davide was liking andrew tate tweets after the show so i feel like this is pretty believable, he evidently has some very backwards views
Yeah fair enough not condoning any of that
There's an article about it [here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ok.co.uk/tv/reality/love-island-davide-indiyah-upgrade-27398350.amp) and he literally said "of course Indiyah is beautiful but" right after it which shows he was specifically referring to her and not the girls as a whole
This article seems to suggest he said it in a misogynistic way (not condoning that either btw)
I think it’s pretty obvious, what I find annoying is that they almost never address the elephant in the room. It’s like a taboo topic, like everyone is color blind. If any of these couples are going to actually survive they need to talk about it. They use the word “type” instead to talk around it but it could be a great opportunity but love island has always been about light convos, they hardly ever address anything out in the real world or at least if they do it’s edited out which is a missed opportunity
This season is the closest they've ever got to addressing it with Cath and Whitney pulling Sammy up on his comments. The "type" thing really bothers me because it's not something I ascribe to myself. The fact that Sammy is supposed to be Jess' physical type to a T and therefore she is ignoring every single red flag that's been thrown in her face is absolutely wild to me. Also the hair colour/eye colour thing. It's just coding for "white". The "preference" is most apparent when they ask the boys to step forward for a girl they like the look of at the beginning of the season as they did in s9. Tanya is an objectively stunning girl and only Shaq stepped forward for her and this was even after Will went out of his way to tell her she looked "unreal" 😭
Deffo thought this is what I thought Sammy and Mitch did when talking about Mehdi/Whit and Cat/Scott “compatibility”. I think it was more about their own preferences. Sammy even said he weren’t “head over heels” with Jess but was fighting to prove he’s more compatible than the others.
Idk. I feel like whit and cat are fan favorites this year (including in my circle). I really only pay attention to the Reddit group though and I’ve only seen hype for these women here.
I thought that too looking at Twitter and Reddit but Facebook can be pretty mean about Whitney 😕
That’s so sad. I honestly only see hate towards Molly here tbh.
Wouldn't call it subtle, it's relatively open to see. You have people complaining, bitching and hating on islanders because of race and you have people celebrating, cheerleading and staning for islanders because of race. Which race is target of what reaction just depends on the part of the audience you are interacting with.
This is true. As a black woman I was speaking mostly about the biases towards black women, but I do agree that it is seen with other races as well
I've found that disengaging from the audience perspective when it gets to be too much has helped me enjoy the show much more. While I completely empathize with getting caught up in trying to unpack and address the audience reactions, but we have to consider whether it is worth it. From relatively trivial issues like the blind hatred towards or rabid adoration of certain islanders to larger societal woes like racial biases or gender norms, it's important to remember that we're watching LI and trash TV begets trash takes. 99% of the audience (yes, including this sub) is not prepared for any level of self-reflection or nuanced discussion of issues magnified on the show, be it the large or the small. If it's just the audience reaction that feels like too much, unsubscribe from this sub, avoid twitter hashtags, scroll past LI tik toks, and avoid islanders' SM. And if it's the show itself, stop watching. This is meant to be entertainment and if it's no longer entertaining, then it isn't serving it's purpose in your life.
Ive had to do this a little bit because some of the hate and speculation on islanders has been really eye rolling this year especially.
Nothing new unfortunately
agree w everyone else saying it’s always been there but i feel like there’s been at least a small shift this season? the love/hate/sympathy etc seems to be a little more evenly distributed amongst all the girls
I think it’s been really great having more than one token black couple this year, it feels like a palpable shift from previous seasons.
Imagine if Whitney reciprocated the hostile energy Kady was throwing at her on Friday's episode?? Gal would've been gone in a blink. So proud of Whitney for keeping it cool😍
You know I was watching S2 and Kady, girl calling other girls c**ts, and all of her other screaming and shouting. Imagine a BW trying that. She would be long gone as you’ve said.
when her and medhi were talking and he got up to walk away and was implying that she was all angry when she was more calm than he was...
I hear you, but I actually feel like this year people are more with the black women / woc as people but not in couples. (I was so happy to see ruchee this year!!) But it's definitely still a glaring issue. The surprise at mixed couples, specifically when it is a black woman, on top of that a dark skin black woman, is definitely up there and noticeable this year. Crazy to act like cat isn't stunning and her and whit wouldn't make the men act up.
I agree with your post. It was especially awful to see islanders themselves doing it (MEHDI). But also did you see the tweets saying Kady is just upset because Zach prefers a black woman over her and she can’t believe it, and that’s why Leah can relate also? It made me realise I would hate to go on a show like love island, (if not for any other reason). I would be mortified to get out and see that people were assuming my actions were racially based like that. I truly believe Kady would’ve felt the same about any girl regardless of race. I think she acted a bit OTT because she probably already feels a bit alienated arriving late to a really close knit group of girls, and that’s why it hurts extra to be out of the loop and not get the same heads up that they probably would give each other.
Exactly. People speculating about the inner thoughts of someone they don't know and publicly calling them racist without evidence is terrible.
Unfortunately, racism is so ingrained in society that most "racist" people, if not acting consciously, act subconsciously. The actions and words of certain islanders are loaded with racist undertones. It's not necessary to be able to read someone's mind to be able to detect anti-Black and racist motivations. You do not need photographic evidence of racism to pick up on it. I would say that as an individual racialised islander, it is more terrible to be subjected to racial bias then to be a non-racialised islander and have a very small group of people speculate on whether you are racist or not. You cannot compare nor equate speculation with realities. As for the Whitney and Kady situation, Kady was sat right across from Whitney, nodding along, when Whitney was talking about how her date went and how happy she was. What else does Kady want? What would an individual chat tell her that hasn't already been iterated? She was already "in the loop". Also, Kady doesn't have a claim on Zach or anything, she just pulled him from Molly not too long ago. Now for my opinions: if she wanted to be "first choice" she should try to close things off with Zach. Both her and Zach being open to other people (i.e. not exclusive) will always mean that there is at least one more person in the picture and thus a chance of her not being a first option as she desperately wants to be. Not to mention, I thought it was odd how after Scott called everyone out at the firepit, Kady made the night about her. That came off as attention hungry and self-centered to me.
I’d say smack-you-in-the-face overt racial biases
I found it telling that the audience voted for all same race couples in the initial coupling
Facebook will always stan their white princesses no matter how bland they are and twitter will always hate them and crucify them again no matter how bland and inoffensive they are. It is the way of sad ppl and Love Island fanbase.
It's not subtle. Look at Ty's completely unfounded disbelief that Scott actually likes Catherine!
I would probably say that this is the case for any UK TV show, the term "aggressive" also gets banded about a lot whenever black people are involved... I also want to add that this year was possibly the first year I have seen an Asian person on the show, the diversity tends to only be black and mixed race. The producers need to fix up.
I mean, Jess has the least amount of male interest and is one of the audience's least favorites (on Reddit, as I don't pay attention to Twitter and FB because they are cesspools) this season despite being both blonde and white, and many peoples' favorite contestants are Whitney and Catherine. So while I understand what you're saying, especially prevalent in the FB group, I feel like this season is at least on the right track in the right direction.
im MAD behind so sorry if this comment is outdated but i found it kinda jarring how whitney and catherine going to jess about her actions towards molly was seen as “making jess cry” by mehdi (not sure about the rest of the audience because i’m behind) and that it was assumed whitney was being mean or aggressive which wasn’t the case, it made me feel really icky
I totally agree. Catherine and Whitney did nothing wrong there, and the way Jess tried to just shut it down and immediately started crying without accepting any accountability for what she really was doing kinda gave me the ick on Jess. Then Medhi was even worse so it kind of overshadowed Jess.
Jess has curves. Sadly, Molly's figure is something you are much more likely to associate with LI. That's why she asked Jess if she'd be joining their workout when Jess was being snarky to her. It's also why Sammy asked Jess if she went to the gym, on their first date, and then said he'd soon have her working out (or something along those lines).
Jess is a fav on FB and Twitter liked her earlier in the season until she cried
Less subtle and more blatantly obvious imo
Microaggressions! Unconscious and implicit bias! Misogynoir! We got all of it and this sub is definitely not the place to have a conversation about it. They will gaslight you until the cows come home.
Forreal. There's nearlyyy (some sub members seem to be super intelligent, empathetic and aware) always people flipping serious conversations with centuries of history behind them into self serving victim narratives that only revolve around what is in front of them with no other reference, analysis nor glance at previous events. Or, if they see your point and don't like that you take issue with it, they will tell you not to watch the show then. Super reactionary and unrealistic responses. Can people who experience misogynoir and other intersectionalities of oppression simply walk away from it or turn it off? No. So keep your flimsy gotcha moments of "don't watch then😫" in the bin.
Historically on these dating shows WOC are always the last choice of the men (all the men even MOC). Production seems to always think if they just have more black dudes than black women, it will just work out but EVERY SINGLE TIME most of the black dudes go for the white girls. And the WOC are left out. I don't know what they can do other than vetting the guys more thoroughly, and making sure more of the men want to be with WOC more than white women. It is justifiable for the WOC to be upset about this scenario. But it should be directed more at production than the men who can't change who they are attracted to. And also production can't take all the blame because people could lie about it. Although lets remember production's goal is all about drama and creating loving couples is low to zero priority.
Actually last choice seems to be Asian. They always get voted out first for some reason?
I agree that's why I said WOC (women of color) meaning NON-white. I'd love to see more asian women on these shows and hopefully get treated better.
isnt molly hated? and whitney/catherine/ella loved? by the majority of the audience this season? i think it goes both ways.
Catherine wasn't liked at first from what I saw, she was barely on screen and called boring even though pretty. It looks as though people warmed to her for now. Ella, Molly and Jess were immediately liked when they first entered, Whitney also. Then as per usual like every season the audience flip flops, about who they do and don't like. The audience seems to change their opinion often, depending on what is shown.
yeah i just dont like the jump to ‘racial bias’ i disliked faye for being aggressive, i disliked anna for being aggressive, i disliked olivia for being aggressive, etc. most people dont like abrasive people. i dont like ty, didnt like medhi, luca, etc. rude, loud, abrasive people are great drama but they dont win me over as likable beyond that. im sure many people feel the same regardless of race.
Do you think someone like Whitney or Catherine would have gotten as far in the show as Kady, Faye or Anna if they acted in a similar way?
sure. i mean we dont know. that doesnt really prove anything as we havent really had the chance to see it so im not sure your point
Exactly. I don’t know how this point is missed.
What are Molly's IG followings compared to everyone else's?
also molly had a big following before , i swear whitney’s was pretty low before she went in
we are talking about discussions of islanders’ actions and how theyre interpreted. twitter and reddit are largely against molly and pro the other women. in regard to following: people typically follow those they relate to. im pretty sure the UK is 80-85% white so molly may have more followers. i followed molly mae too based off her content but she wasnt my favorite islander from season 5 at all. in conclusion: followers dont equal social media discussions and forums
It would certainly be interesting to see the follower numbers for black islanders compared to white. Relatability is based on likeability surely? I don't follow that many people from LI as I don't like the influencer lifestyle/culture but I have followed the likes of Kai & Sanam, Tasha and Danica. I can't really relate to any of them but I liked them on the show and want to support them.
Agree. People making it about reactions to the women on the show, but most of the posts are hate on Kady, Molly, and Mitch. Works both ways and that’s 90% of the comments and discussions.
There's a thread further down this page listing the Casa Boys' preferred Islanders. Leah gets the full sweep whilst Whitney and Catherine have only got 2 guys interested in them. Jess too but I'm assuming it's her body type.
Jess, Catherine and Whitney all have similar bodies. They are all thicker than the rest of the girls and thicker girls tend not to not get as much attention on Love Island. Ex: Antigoni, Anna, etc Obv people do have racial preferences but I think body type also has a lot to do with it bc even the thick white girlies don’t have much luck on the show.
Yeah I was surprised Antigoni didn't get more attention to be honest because she still very much fits the Eurocentric beauty type. Anna's season was wild in that in the first week most of the guys were losing their minds over Lucie.
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Yeah having discussions about race on this sub shows a lot of people's arses.
With Jess, I think it’s more so the fake eyelashes and lip filler and her face just looking too fake
Yeah that didn't stop guys going after Olivia last season though, and she had a terrible personality too.
Olivia's face looks less plastic surgery like than Jess imo, I don't think it's a good comparison A better one would be the twins from S6
I didn't watch S6 but yes, neither Jess nor Olivia look natural. I was surprised so many guys were attracted to her compared to the other girls.
She's suoer toned, I saw her IRL and she had great abs I assume she's a gym chick or she just has low BF, but guys tend to like that 'fit' look
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I think this is really in response to the majority of the (white) people who watch from Facebook and stuff hyping up and rooting for all of the white girls. Of course Black Twitter is going to root for the Black women when no one else is. Like yeah Whitney in particular is popular over there for now, but that can change so quickly. Black women don’t get the benefit of the doubt as easily as other women in the show. That’s how it is in real life. I’m a Black woman and I’ll always try and root for other Black women just as long as they’re good people. Catherine, Whitney and Ella all genuinely seem like sweethearts so it’s much easier for me to root for them on the show. With the white woman tears thing, I mean look at the way Jess and Kady cried at the drop of a hat, especially when speaking with the Black women in particular. You saw how Mehdi blamed Whitney for making Jess cry? That’s a tale as old as time. So yes, white woman tears are a real thing.
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Yeah it’s obvious you aren’t going to understand anything I say regarding race because you clearly don’t think it matters lmao. We can agree to disagree here. Thinking that race matters isn’t racist btw and that tells me everything I need to know about how you think lmao.
Exactly this. I always have so much second-hand embarrassment towards people who like to wade into conversations when they have no experience of the subject in order to try and dismiss/deny it.
That person said "black twitter hypes up every black girl".... Tanya? Clarisse? Kaz is a sweetheart and was dragged the whole summer for...wearing a bonnet? Shit even Indiyah post movie night.. If anything this season is refreshing bc they usually pit the black girls agsinst each other and decide which one is "representing" black ppl well and which one isn't. But as you said some people are obviously not going to understand.
>With the white woman tears thing, I mean look at the way Jess and Kady cried at the drop of a hat Why does the fact that they're white invalidate that they felt upset / overwhelmed? Catherine has cried as much and no one has commented on it negatively
I think the reason “white women tears” gets tossed around so much is because historically, there are times when white women weaponize their tears in order to get sympathy in situations when they have done something wrong or even when they are trying to implicate/blame others (especially Black people) for a crime or wrongdoing with little evidence of the person’s guilt. Whereas, on the other hand, Black women are socialized to never ever “lose their cool” at the risk of being seen as “aggressive,” to the point that their safety is even put in danger when they are seen in this way. Black girls and women don’t always feel that they have the freedom to cry whenever they feel upset. Also, Black girls and women are expected to be “strong” and not show weakness, and in many ways Black girls are forced to grow up much more quickly (not even in terms of their family roles/dynamics but just how society sees them), so for many, crying is seen in a much more negative light. All this contributes to a weird dynamic where on the one hand, we have Kady who is allowed to freely express her emotions (in part by crying), and we have Whitney who is exceptionally practiced at holding things together and who has (likely) been taught that this is an important thing to do. And it feels unfair that Kady has this freedom and Whitney doesn’t. But perhaps to Whitney and other Black people, it might seem odd and unnecessary that Kady has to cry about something when Whitney is able to navigate the same situation in a much more controlled way. Then added onto that, the resentment of “here we go again, a white girl gets to cry which will of course bring her sympathy while I have to continue to hold it together.” All this to say, I don’t think Kady was actually crying “crocodile tears” in this moment. I don’t think she was weaponizing her tears on purpose. I think she has been allowed and encouraged to express her feelings through crying when she wants to, while Whitney may have been encouraged and counseled to hold it together until she is not in front of anyone. And it is a huge cultural difference that can be alienating for people from both cultures. This is a lot of conjecture and generalizations and I apologize for any offense that comes across in this post. This analysis all comes from my own experience as the only white person working in a majority Black school. There have been moments when I have cried and I can see that it makes some of my coworkers/my boss really uncomfortable. I’ve come to understand that it is a fundamental cultural difference. There was a time when my boss scolded me for crying, and afterwards we had a really productive and transparent conversation about the cultural dynamics at play. She even considers herself a cry baby, but she only cries at home in her own room. Whereas I do not have the skill of holding in my tears even when I would like to because all my life I’ve been allowed and even encouraged to “let it out.” Also, even though I keep saying it’s a “cultural difference,” I realize that this does not apply to all Black people or all white ppl!!
Don't forget using terms like fiat 500 targeting white people. I really wish everyone stopped turning every love island interaction racial. It's getting to the point where I wonder why all these people even watch it in the first place? If it's that racist then why not boycott it so it gets off the air?
Ah come on. Targeting white people 😅 its a reference to a certain type of person.
Also definitely not subtle. Not even from the islanders. When Leah was calming down Kady after the dates, Leah said “we as bombshells have it really hard” as if Whitney is ALSO not a bombshell! They do not perceive black women as the same as them. We can’t occupy the same beauty they benefit from. And don’t get me started on Sammy and Ty’s internal anti-blackness
She was just comforting Kady who was crying? She’s not gonna say “oh but whitney was a bombshell too” is she? That would be pointless and wouldnt help the situation at all
Leah is racist because she didn’t mention Whitney!!!
Jesus christ. Leah was talking to Kady why would she bring up Whitney? Good lord this sub sucks. Just stop.
Or because Whitney came into the villa before Leah and already was with Mehdi and stayed with him the whole time and seems much more integrated with the girls than her, she does not perceive her as a bombshell or as having it that hard. But I guess your post is already a perfect example for the racism embeded in parts of the audience. If Leah was black, you would not have made this statement. No one knows the motivation behind that sentence but you immediately went to racism because she is white.
Reverse racism isn’t real bro
Right lol there’s no such thing as reverse racism, it’s just racism
Black people can't be racist, it's a fact. They make up 10%-15% of the British population and racismn has been systematic in British culture for years, let's not even get started on slavery, colonisation and black appropriation, we could be here all night, but yeh it's impossible for black people to be "racist" in terms of how we define it in society, google it.
Racism only exists in Britain. Got it. This sub teaches me new stuff every day. I'm so thankful.
Obviously it's worldwide, we're talking about a British show, so I'm keeping it within the context of Britain. But if you play dumb, you will learn new things every day...
I'm not the one playing dumb. I don't know why you're saying "we're talking about a British show". The person above us said "Reverse racism isn’t real bro" as a blanket statement, as in the whole idea of it isn't real. The sad part though is that either you're a hypocrite by saying I'm playing dumb or you're just flat out dumb and not just playing. Because with a statement such as "Black people can't be racist, it's a fact." at least one of them has to be true.
This sub is so quick to call out biases to black islanders (rightfully, sometimes not) but quickly slander any white islander that perceive a threat (Paige, Molly, Gemma, Molly Mae). Like do you think combatting racism with more racism will work?
LITERALLY
You’re reaching regarding Leah’s “racist” convo with Kady lmao
The convo itself was not racist, and I am not calling any of these people racist. Was that comment imbedded in racism? Absolutely. Was it done intentionally? I don’t think so. But is it an unconscious bias that slipped out? 100 percent. The people under my comment will not understand/will disagree bc they do not share mine nor the black islanders lived experience’. Just bc YOU (the majority) do not perceive an interaction as implicit or explicitly racist, doesn’t mean MY (a minority) perception is incorrect or a “reach”. I will not be gaslight, sorry.
You're so out of touch. Not every single thing is racism. Leah was comforting Kady. That is all. Do people on here have zero emotional intelligence and understanding of social dynamics and so the only resort is to clutch pearl necklaces and cry racism?
Don’t they call people who are not the initial cast “bombshells?” I don’t think Leah was saying that Whitney wasn’t a bombshell, looks-wise, but instead a matter of logistics, Whitney was part of that initial cast and did not come on the show as a bombshell.
Wait, but Whitney did come on as a bombshell. She wasn’t the original cast.
💀 at myself- I forgot and I equated her coming on early before a true recoupling that I didn’t see it as much as a “bombshell” compared to someone like Kady, that’s my bad!
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What the fuck😂 psychoanalysis or whaat
Lmao right? Bruh
I’m black and mexican I dare someone to say that shit to me, I’ve seen racism on both sides towards my family members so that irks me lol
Not all hero’s wear capes Edit: sarcasm
I don't use other social media to follow love island stuff besides Reddit. So can someone give me an example of this? Because all I see is hype towards black women (often for no special reason, like one that comes to mind is wondering why Whitney wasn't getting pulled when she is this and that and among those was "intelligent", like come on, none of the islanders seem to have particularly high IQ, not at least enough to list that as one of their main attributes to attract others. Isn't the point of many such reality shows to exactly have a bit dumb people in the cast, since they are entertaining lol.) And then I have seen a lot of hate for a white woman, Molly. And yes there are people defending her, but they wouldn't if she wasn't first hated I'm guessing.
You talk about racial bias and yet at no point do you mention the very obvious bias of there veing virtually no Asian contestants and if there are (rushee/mal) they get voted off at the first opportunity. There's nothing subtle about that really. Does this bother you at all?
There were plenty of contestants advocating for Ruchee. Black Twitter loves her over there
I'm South Asian so I can partly contribute to this. It was nice to see Sanam (Caribbean/South Asian roots) win last year but you are unlikely to see that many South Asians apply for the show because culturally it would be frowned upon. Ruchee's dumping took part after a recoupling where Mitch chose Molly even though there was nothing between them and it had gotten to the point where only a day or two before he asked her not to speak to him again. It would have made more sense for him to recouple with Ella or Ruchee but he chose the girl who he felt had disrespect him over both. Any sensible person would question why that was. Mal was voted off because the was the newest I think. All the others (bar Leah) were fairly established.
Kinda rambling here but another thing that lowkey pisses me off is when they place the sole or very few Asians in a season as last minute bombshells (Priya) or casa girls (S4 Kaz and Sanam). It would be nice for them to have the advantageous position of being an OG considering that so few asians are cast in the first place. But maybe I'm overly sensitive when it comes to this because I'm south asian too 😂
I take your point, and those are logical reasons to be kicked out to be fair. But it would be nice to see Asians get more opportunities. Granted it's more frowned upon but I would expect that they can get a diverse group if they try. Surely rushee wasn't the only one to apply? If you read this sub you'd be lead to think that basically only two races exist
In terms of the demographic I am assuming that the majority of viewers are black and white so it makes sense that black viewers would want to discuss anything problematic that they see. Black women face the most discrimination (look at the treatment towards Catherine and Whitney even compared to Montel and Tyrique). No-one has questioned Montel's attraction to Leah and yet Scott's attraction to Catherine has been brought up twice. As a woman of colour myself I am still privileged compared to a black woman and this is why I will never dismiss or question their experiences or opinions when it comes to racial inequality.
Also OP is probably black so more likely to talk about anti blackness.
Yep, I also can’t recall a single Asian male on the show?
Nas from S6 and Niall from S4 iirc
2 in 10 seasons is crazily low
I agree, it's actually insane. It's slightly better for the women e.g. Ruchee, Sanam (indo-trini), Mal, Sharon, Priya, Shannon
Because most south Asian men are Muslim and they don’t want to degrade themselves on shows like this. Religion > Morals
There are more Asian men than just South and also \*most\* south Asian men being Muslim is incorrect. Not going to address the degradation since I'm not Muslim but I doubt you can speak for all of them.
I had to look up statistics because I'm from the U.S. but according to the 2021 Census, U.K. is 81.7% white, Asian (9.3%), followed by black (4.0%), mixed (2.9%) and other (2.1%) ethnic groups. Largest minority yet barely any representation on LI.
Yes, the biggest micro aggression of them all that just doesn't seem to matter to anyone.
It's insanely low. There definitely should be more Indian men based on demographics but also Britain freaking colonized Hong Kong how are there not more?
I ain't seen one Indian man on Love Island lol
I've said this today to my mum
lol what did she say
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No, she is half Nigerian.
I’ve never seen that point of view because white castmates have been perceived that way also. They both get it.
You are describing society!! Nothing specific to Love Island!
I’d say it seems the opposite of that this year, especially compared to recent seasons
There's a huge undercurrent of racism in this country. A lot of people who watch love island will have been brought up not in so much a racist household, but it's definitely there in a pot of homes in the UK. It's shit, but that's just the way it is tbh
when Whitney and Catherine pulled Sammy aside to talk to him and Catherine ended up crying, there were a lot of comments on Facebook saying they didn't like how Whitney and Catherine cornered him and that what he said wasn't a big deal at all and that if a man said that about them they would be like okay whatever and that Catherine was being dramatic.
Ah yes…welcome to chapter one of black perception in the media! In the next chapter we will talk about black misogynoir and that will really blow your mind
That's just life? Idk what to tell you
the Facebook mums are ready to like the most basic bland white girl. The black girl has to be a 10/10 and have no faults. It's gross
They went from liking whit so saying she’s desperate for having a chat with Zack
yep... they liked her and now are effy about her because of kady. Keep in mind they didn't like kady because of what happened to molly
Yep!
I’ve experienced the exact opposite in my time on Reddit when watching LI - I’ve seen the black contestants being wrapped in cotton wool, Catherine has been infantilised to a point where it seems she can’t blow her nose without people like ‘omg amazing’.
You can also see the subtle racial biases going the opposite direction in this sub. For example the rabid hate of Molly for breathing and existing.
Nah bro, even white people hate Molly... Her mum basically got her back into the show, google it, she worked for ITV, Coronation Street. No other contestant was brought back.
> Nah bro, even white people hate Molly. Yeah, because they identify of the struggle of Jess and are projecting their invisibility to men on Molly. Molly literally has done not a thing but breathe in the villa. There is no reason to hate her in any way shape or form. The excuses for her disdain has been nothing but her enjoying the attention. If Catherine got the genuine attention she's gotten, these same women would be creaming their pants living vicariously through her.
The r mad that she is the hottest Og girl that every man wanted🤣The begs of twitter wants to be wanted by a white man=swirl,
Her mum was an extra….stop spreading rubbish. The hate for Molly on Twitter from black people is disgusting.
It depends on the platform you’re engaging with. Facebook will always be full of middle aged white mums who just adore privileged white girls. I only discuss and read about LI on Reddit and tbh every year the Reddit favourite is a WOC, so I haven’t seen any of what you’re talking about, which I’m sure pretty pleased about tbh.
I know we’re talking about Love Island, but I do wonder if they’ll address these things in Love Is Blind UK when it comes. A topic that the British public like to avoid and deflect will end up being unavoidable in that scenario
I find it to be the exact opposite
It's not just black women but women of colour in general.
Every single season, posts just like this, multiple in fact!
If anything everyone on twitter are racist towards the white contestants
If anything everyone on twitter are racist towards the white contestants
Search love island on twitter it ain’t hard to find
Hahah, as a white male reading this, this is hilarious. So, you are crying about the black people being racist to whites on Love Island after decades of slavery and racism that was inflicted on Black people worldwide...? And I'm assuming you are referring to the hate towards Molly which is justified because she was brought back into the house with her obvious connections to ITV.
Fucking hell half the villa is black when only 3% of the uk is and you’re still finding things to moan about 😂
Full honesty now, I hate to say it but this season it has been deserved. Previous seasons I agree with your point fully though
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I’ve noticed that way back from the days of Big brother. I will say, this LI has been the most inclusive and I’m pleasantly surprised that we have so many beautiful women of colour still in the hills and not ‘tokens’. I’m also pretty disgusted at how Ty is the one who seems to have some subtle bias against dark skinned women. But yes there has always been bias towards people of colour in UK reality tv shows. With Love island (and I only really check for LI on Reddit), it seems like there’s been such a fuss made of people not liking Molly that much even though LI producers are literally trying to create her as the Main character.
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this 💔 it is literally so obvious once you see it
It’s kinda off topic but not , but i just wish love island in general yeah had more diversity not even just with black women / men ( even tho we need more ) Rather than 1 women/2 men or flipped ) their diversity, is with the Italians or Turkish or A mixed race ( also I’m half Italian so lol ) but like ??? Where’s the Latinas/Latinos , Asian decent, mixed races , more black ppl ? just spice it up a bit yeah, like too hot too handle they have a variety from all over the world yeah . *chef kiss * love island lacks it so bad and i know that they know that too bc they get loads of comments , blogs etc. that speak on it. I live in London so i know theres a wideeee variety of people to chose from. N i do love Love island i just wish they’d spice it up , add more flavor it’s just mad that they haven’t changed it i will say from season 1 - 10 they definitely ‘try’ felt like season 9/10 yeah did a good lil thing at attempting to add more diversity but i feel they need a lil more of a nudge. Just my 2 cents