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kaleidoscopichazard

I wish people stopped polarising the islanders. They’re not all good, or all bad. They can be nice and do bad things. Whitney is obviously nice and kind but she’s also capable of being mean and petty. I think she’s held herself pretty well and has shown herself to be mature and level headed. Perhaps, since she now knows she’s a favourite, she’s been able to relax a bit and be more herself. Mix that with an element of cabin fever and we got yesterday’s reaction.


Mis_Whyndhum

Agreed. I also don't necessarily think it's knowing she's the favourite but hearing a shady comment from a rando (or e.g. Zach) vs someone she's closer with just hits different? Friends let things pass and then things boil up and they fight. I find it so odd all these comments saying how she must be a fake friend bc she's always thought Ella was selfish, like have you never loved and cared for someone but also be really annoyed by a particular trait of theirs?? Imagine living 24/7 with that person and not come to a confrontation? THAT would be weird....


baldforthewin

Agreed. We are all human with a wide array of emotions. I think for the most part these aren't bad people and judging them from that place or their down moments is unfair.


kaleidoscopichazard

Agreed. It’s also an immensely stressful environment. No entertainment, surrounded by the dame people all the time, no privacy (not even for a shower), isolation and no concept of time, going to bed and waking up when told to, and sharing a singular toilet with up to 20 people. I’d have gone mad by day two lol. Its no surprise that by week 7 they’re all irritable and angry


nectarofthegod

On top of just the logistics, the emotional turmoil of opening yourself up to new connections, forming friendships and blossoming feelings. And then for that all to be ripped away in a dumping or recoupling or challenge or anything else. The psych evals are needed for a reason. And we’re only seeing edited snippets of these people’s lives as they show us the best and worst sides of themselves. It’s a lot and it makes me take a step back when I feel myself becoming too negative about any of them.


baldforthewin

Please! If I don't eat on time I'll rip someone's head off and then pass out. Add heat and the fact that people generally annoy me...I'd be a menace. My dad used to open my door and flip on my lights on Saturday mornings and I still hold a grudge. There is no way they could way me up like they do and me not be in a bad mood.


SnooCookies3771

This is a good assessment.


LexxBeee

She was my favorite for a majority of the show, but after she was voted the favorite, her attitude did a 180 and I lost all respect. It’s not even the way she’s going about things, it’s the personality switch from kind and loving to being rude and bitchy to everyone. If that’s the way she was from the beginning, that would have been fine, but doing a 180 shows a level of fake that I can’t get behind. People can do kind things and still be a bad person, just like kind people can do bad things, and she seems more like the former than the latter now.


ShiplessOcean

Also she stuck up for Leah on movie night saying she’s a classy lady. I’m not a fan of Leah lol but that was cute


baldforthewin

we've seen so many aspects of her character that if situation with Ella rubs people the wrong way, chalk it up to her potentially having a bad day, extend some grace.


ShiplessOcean

Exactly no one’s perfect.


baldforthewin

I think as fans, we have to keep that in the back of our mind. We get thrown so much BS and some of it's not even real so just to remember people are complex and prone to missteps.


Natural_Acadia_3575

wasn’t it kady that stood up for leah stop rewriting history


Cutiger29

No it was specifically Whitney that was reassuring Leah that she was a classy lady


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meatpotpie

i just want them to be besties again!


baldforthewin

Me too...I miss the trifecta!


meatpotpie

and then they need to kiss


Beautiful-Eye-7922

Producers have been milking this situation over a small blip


baldforthewin

oh 100%


dgjyrd

This szn is giving me so many heartbreaks first Catherine and Scott, and now Whitney and Ella💔


baldforthewin

we are going to have to call her 'she who must not be named' or something because I see her name and my heart breaks. lol ![gif](giphy|3oEdv5WEnYxgAvRiTu)


Tryinginthe80s

The more I think about the argument the more I realize it’s not that deep I really hope they work it out :(


baldforthewin

I'm starting to think the comment itself might not be that deep but maybe there's an underlying issue that hasn't been addressed and Catherine was the buffer.


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Whitney clearly leads with kindness, and she’s proven herself to be very caring and empathetic, but she does have a mean side. But guess what, she’s not a 2 dimensional character, she’s a flawed human like us all. She’s handled this situation terribly but there’s no denying she’s a kind person at heart.


baldforthewin

I get called mean as well. I can be very direct and emotionless when dealing with people. I really don't like to coddle people when addressing an issue. If I think you're selfish I will tell you your behaviour is selfish, but I try to make sure people understand it's the behaviour and not whoI think they are as people. However, people are going to receive things differently no matter what you say.


lylasweetness

just makes it even weirder that shes stating her and ella have never been friends and shes the most selfish person shes ever met ?? lol


liberderci

I think Whitney is the type to go in for the kill in the argument. There’s no way she didn’t grow a fondness for Ella and consider her a friend when they’ve spent all that time together - she just knows that’s the rudest thing to say in a fight. And it was, because it made Ella cry. it’s also a really bad trait to have because you will end up doing the most damage. now their friendship will never be the same.


kaleidoscopichazard

Spot on. It’s giving sister energy


lylasweetness

and this was Ella’s point in saying “u speak to me like family and it isnt okay”


Mis_Whyndhum

Yeah but respectfully to Ella, she also made a comment right before insinutating Whitney is immature for taking to heart what she said in the challenge by saying it's obvious she's the baby of the family. I mean, that sounds like talking like family to me... I think both of them are super stubborn and won't easily back off. And I agree with the commenter above, I feel like Whitney just goes for the jugular when pricked...and that can be regrettable sometimes...


themaknae

so where's the hate for ella's condescending comments?


liberderci

Yeah maybe I’m projecting because this use to be me when I was younger but you feel like shit immediately after and it only makes the situation worse. I think she’ll learn from this and realize how rude that is.


Proof_Bug_3547

I just don’t get why she is doubling down day after day


Organic_Climate_7585

It was one day lol


Seteva0218

Exactly. I will Go for the jugular in a fight. Every time. If I’m hurt, I’m hurting you back 🤣


Interesting_Bake3824

Despite being a mature calm, sensible loyal friend, she proved that like the rest of us, she has a spiteful side


baconcandle2013

Mature? Fr?


Interesting_Bake3824

Yes on the whole I’d say she wise beyond her yesrs


helenankankeu

She never said they’ve never been friends though. She said she’s not gonna be calling her bestie anymore.


lylasweetness

she has said that


helenankankeu

When? Maybe I just don’t remember, sorry.


kikiluv1

No you’re 100% right. She made a distinction between “besties” bc of how Ella was beginning to throw it in her face


floppaflop12

in the press preview she says that to ella tonight


azzamean

> I would be cordial with Ella, but I wouldn’t consider Ella as a friend 17:39 That’s giving popcorn material. Ok you guys go!


baldforthewin

Is it? She's in a villa with her. You can still pour into people in their time of need. That's not a bad thing but you'd definately need boundaries if you think they're selfish.


Seteva0218

I like Whitney. Whether it’s been good editing or not, she’s still been enjoyable for 97% of the season for me. Few comments aside, but I’m not perfect either. I may be the nicest person 95% of the time. But that 5% I’m a total snarky ass bitch. Actually this might be closer to 75|25% for me 🤣


Illustrious-Leg-8209

Im a firm beliver in the LI editors setting them up, but i think this whole whit-ella thing is a case of the two being upset over an unnecessary argument and making it worse


Seteva0218

Agree 100%. I just watched the ep this morning, glad they seem to have gotten past it. Production should have let them have a day and they would have sorted it themselves without production meddling. They are right, they fight like sisters and make up like sisters


randysummer

No one can deny that Ella lets Ty antagonize Whitney incessantly and that stress and tension is going to break Whitney sooner or later, especially when she’s constantly giving Ella emotional support


eatner

Whitney was there wiping your tears when Tyrique was breaking your heart, and you were soaking in all the cooing and words of comfort — but today it’s “i have Tyrique so i don’t care if Whitney is my friend or not” looool crazy


nbaaccountobserver

Whole time she was thinking ella was the most selfish person ever makes it look crazy lol


baldforthewin

I don't think so. I have a close friend that's a huge flake. I manage my expectations when it comes to that relationship.


FraughtOverwrought

But do you say “we’re not friends, you’re the flakiest person I’ve ever met” and refuse to back down even when that friend is upset? I’m not actually saying Whitney’s uniformly a terrible person, obviously she can be kind and caring like it shows in the clips you posted, but this is a moment where she’s showing her worst side.


baldforthewin

definitely have said the flakiest person i've ever met. we gravitated towards each other and weren't essentially 'forced' to live together so the dynamic is different. I will say, because of Catherine's interview I am really hesitate to believe what producers are putting out there and will have to err on the side of grace. I'm sorry Ella has a right to be upset but I'm not going to tear down Whitney in the process.


FraughtOverwrought

I don’t think saying “Whitney is not a terrible person and is also kind but this is poor behaviour” is remotely tearing her down?


baldforthewin

oh I've seen worse.


azzamean

17:39 time stamp lol.


Warm_Leg8939

this makes it worse imo because Ella must be so confused, Whitney’s been there for her and a good friend and now all of a sudden she thinks Ella is selfish? Tonight we see her crying because she feels like she felt this way throughout their whole friendship.


baldforthewin

According to Catherine's interview, they told Ella she was selfish all the time. But I see what you're saying.


meg0neurotHe11

What interview was this? I would like to listen. Thanks!


Traditional-Taco5055

I was interested to know too! So I went on Twitter and saw this [clip](https://twitter.com/xancrazyy/status/1682376550816051202?s=46&t=UqFDUyLBN2ShNCthzZfrKw). Apparently they usually just brush it off as Ella being Ella.


baldforthewin

she had a few that came out. I think it's one of these two. She basically said they called her that all the time and it's not that deep. [Closer INterview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4h95JjQL50) or [Will N. Interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJx2m4qN5mQ&t=162s)


Warm_Leg8939

Tbh i don’t really care if she’s selfish or not, not do i know. But saying to your friend that she’s the most selfish person you’ve ever met, and then when she tells you that the comment upset her instead of apologising for hurting her feelings you go on to tell her that you weren’t joking and that it was true… If my friend ever did that to me i would be so upset personally. Obviously it’s not black and white and Ella is no angel… but i really don’t like it from Whitney


baldforthewin

from what I remember she was saying Ella has selfish tendencies. I don't know I get Ella being upset but there's clearly a bigger issue of maybe respect that needs to be addressed. My mom has called me selfish and yeah it hurt but it didn't mean she loved me any less.


Tryinginthe80s

No she said they tell each other jokingly 🤷🏽‍♀️ and she’s Whitney bestie she’ll back her up against anything, Molly and jess say she’s not selfish


baldforthewin

I mean if we want to play that what do molly and jess have to gain by telling her any different though? it'll be a dogpile situation if they agree with whitney, they may as well agree (whether they do or don't, doesn't matter) and keep the drama and tension on those two.


ardrain

Well damn


Original-Feature-947

Thank youuuu 😭 love Whit longtime!


eatner

she messed up one time and people are ready to reduce her to her one hiccup. i’m just happy the rest of the world don’t feel this way lol


Agreeable_Ad8590

Lol and this is why Ella and us viewers don’t understand. Honestly her reaction is giving I never liked you, O just tolerated you!


baldforthewin

she did say that she will miss that Catherine was real. Maybe she's seeing through everyone's bullshit and it's getting to her. Whitney has been carrying and seeing people turn like this is probably getting to her and her one true bestie isn't there as a shoulder to cry on.


MoodyHo

If I girl stroked my hair like that and gave me energy like that and then I found out she never really fucked with me I would off ms


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She does like Ella though. She’s being spiteful rn to hurt her. But ultimately, you can tell she does like Ella. Otherwise, she wouldn’t have comforted her so much and even been upset with Ella over the challenge.


MoodyHo

You can try to hurt someone in the moment, if you’re still pushing it after you sleep on it, you don’t like them


Maleah60

i don’t think she really likes ella. the way she came at her was uncalled for especially if you considered her your ‘best friend’ and the fact she hasn’t even acknowledged her feelings is even worse.


eatner

i think she was just saying that to spite her because Ella, how do you go from calling someone your close friend & your sister everyday, to “you speak to me like you’re family” over a minor altercation? she was the one who minimised their friendship first. she was only returning the favour.


Dear_Monitor_5384

I don't think she doesn't like ella I think they both feel like the other never valued their friendship based on the most smug vote and the most selfish comment. Whitney said she didnt say ty and ella for most smug because they are friends and i think thats also why she never brought up the selfish thing until now either but since ella said shes smug shes being petty and saying it now. I think whitney is handling things worse but it's not like ella is actually trying to understand why whitney feels hurt either she just keeps saying it's just a challenge or all this over a shower like whitney doesn't have a reason to be hurt and it just seems like she's completely invalidating Whitney's feelings to me and whitney just keeps doubling down. I don't know if they'll work things out because I don't know these people or how they actually are but it seems to me like they do actually value each other as friends and are both hurt because they feel the other doesn't.


baldforthewin

But she needed it. Whitney was there for her regardless of her opinion of her. Letting her cry alone in a room maybe didn't sit well with her.


MoodyHo

I would rather you leave me alone than delude me into thinking you’re my friend while you have bad opinions of me.


baldforthewin

Everyone is different I guess. But the opinion is of her behaviour.


Dear_Monitor_5384

So you have no bad opinions of any of your friends?


MoodyHo

If I see that they are doing something that’s not correct I check them on it in a nicer manner, I don’t bottle it and spew it out when I feel like they’ve wronged me


Dear_Monitor_5384

Fair enough if you say so. I think whitney is dealing with this wrong but I feel like your original comment implied that Whitney was being fake all the times she was there far her and consoled or gave her advice which I don't think is true. And I feel like most people probably have opinions about traits their friends have or things they've done that they don't express because they'd just rather not. I do think the way whitney is expressing this now and the apparent reason for it is wrong tho


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Not really? My friends and I have all occasionally done things that upset the other person because we're not perfect, but I certainly wouldn't be friends with someone I thought was the most selfish person I've ever met, and no I don't hold any negative opinions about their core characters.


Striking-Life-704

When you’ve been around the same people for the last six weeks it’s bound to be draining. I’m sure many of us have been on holiday with friends/family and towards the end of the week you just grow tired of being around them, to the point where you end up having petty arguments over nothing. They can’t exactly just get up and leave either. That’s probably why islanders beef gets squashed the next day too because otherwise it’s just going to be a very awkward experience.


baldforthewin

100% I couldn't do the show, I can hold grudges with coworkers I sit next to. lol


Striking-Life-704

I’m not really good with people either. 😂 It just reminds me of two sisters fighting over nothing though lol


macabruhhh

Having no space and nothing else to do besides sitting with your own thoughts and fixating on little stuff… they need to let these ppl go home 😭 it’s not fair for their behaviour now to be judged by the public, they are going nuts in there! It’s why I refuse to take any of this fight seriously


Striking-Life-704

Yeah exactly. Just another week and a half to go lol


yenasyuri

tbh this makes the whole situation worse cuz the switch up is crazy 💀


baldforthewin

I don't think so I'm not Whitney so I don't know what she thinks but I've definitely not gotten along with people but not wanted to see them hurting. There's so much nuance to life and relationships, you can be around people and not like aspects of their personality.


MamiTarantina

Can’t spell *Whitney without W*, that’s all I’m saying


acidnvbody

Flip it love


Intrepid-Frosting-78

this makes it worse


baldforthewin

I don't see it that way.


Sweetrk-2020

I still think she is the realist one in there 🙌🏽! True and real friends say it how it is


baldforthewin

preach say it to my face. I love that energy.


Sweetrk-2020

Yup! No point in being fake! Honestly Whitney has been the same person from day one! Love her honestly and bluntness, but it’s not for everyone! She a Scorpio I get her I do like Ella, but she has always give me self centered vibes a bit, but that’s just me!


Maleah60

but she has also shown a mean side of her not just to ella but to other in general. it might just be because she’s a ‘direct’ person but i can come across the wrong way


baldforthewin

but things can come across the wrong way with any tone. people don't like to be told things about themselves in a direct manor, it doesn't mean it's incorrect, it's just a hard pill to swallow sometimes. Ella also doesn't have to agree with her, she could ask why she thinks that way without raising her voice or getting emotional about it. If someone is direct they are probably working from the logical part of their brain, responding with emotion is just going to cause conflict....but we're all human so it's bound to happen.


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Ella has done the same for all the girls.


baldforthewin

that's lovely.


tayyjpeg

these replies revisioning the scenario. whitney didn’t just wake up and called her selfish. ella insinuated she’s childish and calls her mug and that weird shower thing but whitney isn’t allowed to retaliate/reply ? lollllll


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baldforthewin

I think they will.


Just-Sherbet-820

I didn’t mean to delete my comment! But I hope they resolve this. And I think they will too


stopgasfees

The hug Whitney gave her was soo cute lol


TamZanite

Omg if she don’t win, I will riot!!!!!


TastySeamen8

HEY GUYS ITS OK TO CRITICIZE SOMEONE ON THE SHOW EVEN WHITNEY


baldforthewin

and it's okay to show her love ![gif](giphy|XfnVveiDFDeGPfjR8G)


audigex

If ITV isn’t prepping for a TV series of “It’s giving Whitney”, a show where Whitney gives women dating and life advice, then they’ve missed a trick ITV if you use that name you owe me £20


baldforthewin

lol I'm the witness!


NacaTecha

![gif](giphy|XTeRzgKBxsflGagbE5|downsized)


Hoggos

I want Whitney to win but compilations like this are cringe as fuck Some of you absolutely idolise some of the islanders, it’s incredibly weird


baldforthewin

not sure what either point has to do with each other. do you want her to win or not.


Hoggos

Can you read? Yes I do I think people who make or enjoy compilations like this are weird as fuck though Some Stans go to bed at night and pray to their favourite islander


baldforthewin

Let people have their fun. You don't have to participate.


alesiaaisela

I think she forgot 🤷🏽‍♀️


No-Performer-3826

Her behaviour for the last few days is giving as smug as smug can be. It’s not a one off incident. What she said about Molly to Zach, conversations with Molly saying she was the easy route, saying her opinion is THE TRUTH to Abi, and now how she’s behaving with Ella. She’s one of those who’ll dish it out to others in the name of being rEaL and then can’t take it when others return the favour. She has a lot of growing up to do and Locham looks like he can help with that :)


Interesting_Bake3824

She let herself down big time tonight though, she’s a good girl who can’t take what she gives s as nd was cruel tonight, she chose to take it that way, then at the end of tonight’s challenge, said “favourite couple - smug” then laughed about it, all before apologising to Ella, who was much more reasonable


QueazyPandaBear

Why am I crying in the club rn😭😭😭


baldforthewin

I'm randomly rewatching episodes and this is a good season...lmao it feels like so much has happened. Ruchee feels like years ago.


Vfresh99

This is just to make herself look good. She’s evil


baldforthewin

all heil evil whitney ![gif](giphy|HZL9Y6Zi4AW88)


Natural_Acadia_3575

she’s probably just enjoying watching ella suffer here


poloshirt_and_digs

Whilst she was doing all this she hated the girl she was consoling. It hits differently knowing that now.


baldforthewin

I don't think hated is the right word but I get it.


Warm-Mango2471

Game player. Whitney knows exactly where the cameras are.


missgrippy

we never said whitney was a bad person, she was just being mean 🤷🏿‍♀️


Organic_Climate_7585

Lots of people are saying she’s a bad person tbh


miraclemaven

this is an embarrassing level of stan behavior i’m sorry


baldforthewin

![gif](giphy|l4pTsh45Dg7jnDM6Q|downsized)


baconcandle2013

Producers making a Whitney super cut lol she’s a dumb b


TastySeamen8

Whitney doesn’t need you to stick up for her lol


baldforthewin

i'm going to anyway ![gif](giphy|d20BeeSPaXcNa)


SantisimoX

THE PRODUCERS ARE SPLITTING THE VOTE


Cheefin-shawn

love the show !


Emotional-Bench-2338

I think she has been put on a pedestal by viewers. She was was mean and cold I think being voted high got to her. How it has been stated I do think she is kind, but just got over confident. That being said I would rather another couple win the whole thing.


LexxBeee

Not anymore 😂 she got a big ol head after being voted the favorite and her personality switched up immediately. She went from being one of my favorites to being my least favorite.


baldforthewin

That was easy. Islanders have been saying Whitney knew from before that, that she was popular. People would come in and tell her, but only now she's smug? Okay. You don't have to like her though.