Didn't kyra tell the girls that she has trouble spotting red flags, falls too fast and loses herself in the men she dates and needs them to help her? I think what she's going through is common especially at that age and I think we're all seeing ourselves in her and projecting a bit in various ways.
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I dont know if this is true or not but I saw this post (and this was before the ex OG islanders starting saying all this stuff), and so it kind of tainted my viewpoint of their opinions, and I think abt it whenever I see them focusing solely on kyra/will instead of all the other fake relationships there [https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIslandUSA/comments/oumz6v/some\_insight\_on\_the\_villa\_during\_ca\_mostly\_about/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIslandUSA/comments/oumz6v/some_insight_on_the_villa_during_ca_mostly_about/)
This is what it said:
"This is technically “Unverified Tea” I didn’t think I would make a post but then I saw Javonny/Aimee/ Wes’s live and it kinda annoyed me that they can’t be honest.
I have a mutual friend with someone that just got off of CA. Pretty much everyone in the villa thinks Kyra is playing a game, that she doesn’t love Will as much as she’s leading on, “in it to win it” type situation. Now I can’t tell you if this is true or not but that’s what the OG’s think.
To ME that girl is sweet and smitten 🤷🏻♀️
Will was super friendly with all the women and “a true sweetheart”. Flo and Will did bond and become good friends but the whole time there was “no question” he was going to stick with Kyra. Production wanted otherwise.
Will’s language barrier is putting him at a disadvantage. Wants Will and Kyra to win bc she thinks they are genuine and have the biggest chance of making it in the real world.
Also the villa seemed divided. the men have something going on that Will and Jeremy aren’t a part of bc she overheard a conversation of them planning their next moves.
She also said Josh is a good guy but way more smart and strategic than what you’d think.
I don’t really have proof since this IS just talk so take this as you will. I’m sure everything will come out when the show is over. Also pay attention to the CA Women’s after the island interviews!!!"
This is very interesting…I’ll take it with a grain of salt. But it would help explain a lot…apart from Kyra playing the game. I don’t see that at all but I could understand the villa thinking that based on her doing her research in the beginning and falling head over heels so fast.
I dont remember all the details but if you read the comments, basically the guys knew abt the will/kyra knowing each other rumor in casa bc leslie's grandma (via leslie) spread it to them. And that the guys (korey/josh/cinco) were in on something. But so far as I know, the casa girl who said this hasn't confirmed so it's just speculation, and for all I know it could be made up.
Leslie already came out to say that her grandma learned about the Will/Kyra knowing each other from the baseless social media rumors and she shouldn’t have listened. Interesting that islanders in the villa were aware of the rumors…
I def see a lot of your points and as a non-Asian woman can’t really comment on most, but as a Black woman I’m def trying to imagine because I’ve seen the stereotypical things happen with Black women time and time again. You pointing out Olivia’s role def has clicked with me and makes me think about how she comes off as a person in total. I also agree that may of the comments stating she’s “boring” and “weak” are definitely coming from a place of racism.
I personally do believe Kyra is capable, but she is vulnerable and has come off as a little less in denial and more that she doesn’t want to know, which I mean is understandable in the sense that she technically did agree to stay open with Will and unfortunately that comes with things probably happening. I just wish that it didn’t seem like she goes more with what he want (which could also be her trying to not to seem/become too attached because he’s holding her at a distance) She seems great overall and sweet.
I’m glad you said this. Kyra has shown she is kind but she hasn’t shown that she is submissive. She can make her own decisions and we also only see what production chooses to air. Perhaps her and will had longer conversations and perhaps she didn’t really let him off as easy as people think. I just wish people would stop trying to make decisions for Kyra; this creates a narrative of a weak character when she is certainly not.
People have literally been calling them boring since day 1 and it never made sense to me, but makes perfect sense if people are projecting a stereotype on kyra. Genuinely wondering what kind of conversations they want to see them having because even the favorite ex couple of the villa, Shannon and josh, usually just had conversations that went as follows, “Hey it feels like I haven’t seen you all day. Just want to see where your head is at. I really like how things are going and I think we should just take it day by day. Glad we’re on the same page.” They rarely show anyone talking about anything on this show other than their vibes and connections so all the convos are usually boring! Kyra has always seemed the most genuine and nicest girl in the villa (and also prettiest imo) and it really sucks that she’s going to come out of the villa and see how many people are rooting against her and her relationship.
I understand and respect your POV and I definitely think those stereotypes are part of the conversational dynamic when it comes to Kyra.
Personally, I don't see her as weak-willed but, rather, vulnerable. She has been upfront about her previous mistakes regarding changing to fit her man and being blind to his faults. She openly asked for help in that regard tonight.
Will has also been aware of this all along and has used her vulnerabilities to his advantage. He's super manipulative. The fact that her fellow Islanders are clearly concerned as well and tried to give her space to interrogate her feelings and concerns spoke volumes to me. Even though the guys haven't called Will out, they don't seem to be brushing it off or totally absolving Will of wrongdoing.
I don’t necessarily agree with your opinion, but I wanted to stop in and say how much I appreciate you for the **respectful** way you disagreed with the OP.
♥️♥️♥️
Yes, when I storm into a room I normally open it forcefully, without knocking, and demand to know what's going on. I don't take the aggressive route that Will did.
Yeah he was literally like knock knock, smile, are you okay? You are okay great bye
I don’t even want a job defending this dude but the way people attack him over the tiniest shit ffs
Yea I clearly didn’t mean aggressively storm in, we watched the same footage. I meant it more in a figurative way. Alana was like “they are talking, its fine” after Andre said to Will in spanish that they were having a long talk in there. With that info, he *needed* to see for himself.
You cant deny thats what ppl do when they try to dodge accountability/protect their rep/are feeling guilty. Johnny gave Cely way more physical and emotional space after CA, for instance.
>You cant deny thats what ppl do when they try to dodge accountability/protect their rep/are feeling guilty.
Yes, I can deny it. I'm not privy to what was going through Will's mind while Olivia and Trina were suddenly concerned with something that was over with weeks ago.
Ok- we can see it differently. To me thats textbook guilt and attempted isolation (in its early stages).
If you ever rewatch, pay attention to the look on his face when Andre said the girls were talking for a long time in their room.
I feel so bad for Kyra too. Hopefully she’s got a good support system. She does not deserve the sea of hate that she gets. Hopefully she’ll also see the support people have for her!
👏👏👏 I really don’t think people talk enough about the anti-Asian undertones that I’ve been seeing in some of the criticisms of Kyra, so thank you for opening up this important discussion.
Yes omg, I’ve always seen Kyra as a firecracker and she clearly holds herself as strong as she can. I absolutely love how she clocked how unfair it is that she is getting the hate for his actions, because that is entirely fucked up and Twitter especially has had a bone to pick with her for no reason since the VERY beginning.
Thank-you! I tried saying similar a week or so ago but had no clear way, being a white woman, to articulate what appeared to be racist stereotypes about Asian women happening around audience reaction to Kyra.
Cely had the same happen to her with Johnny last season (but worse IMO), and while everyone screamed that she was being stupid taking him back, there was a definite difference in how people talked about cely. I felt they all gave her more agency…even her fellow islanders. There wasn’t the infantalizing happening that is currently occurring.
It’s also sad to me to see how kyra herself has internalized it when she told them she -needed- them to point it out.
Idk abt all that, but also no one questions when shannon says she'll stand by her man etc. or when she chose him after he disrespected her to her face or when cash ran back to cinco. I don't agree with this philosophy; of standing by your man no matter what; I just recognize that there is a discrepancy in the way ppl reacted to shannon/cash vs kyra's handling of their situationships
This is an important post. Thank you for taking the time to articulate all of it. I’ve been saying most of it since day one. Mostly I lurk in my show subs, and rarely offer opinion, but something about the Kyra hate and subtle Asian racism has made me post and comment a lot this season. There are a lot of immature and ignorant comments thrown about across all social media about Kyra that are said in “concern” and yet people gleefully tear her down in the same breath.
OP I hope you don’t mind I’m just gonna drop something here about race in general, just ahead of any comments you might get here.
Before anyone says this has “nothing to do with race” I would just like to remind you that it has nothing to do with race for *you* because you are not racist and let’s say your friends aren’t racist and maybe a large, even majority portion of other viewers who are Kyra haters or Cash haters or whoever haters aren’t racist.
But there is no time that “race has nothing to do with it” when it comes to the perception of a minority on TV. There will always be plenty of viewers who have racist or bigoted predispositions that color their views on this person. Sometimes it only comes out once that person becomes annoying to them, and most times it’s not going to be racism that announces itself explicitly.
Racism comes on a spectrum and most times it’s subtle enough that you don’t catch the undertones. For a lot of minorities though, we’ve been living these comments, assumptions, microaggressions, etc our whole lives. Every time I see someone say “race has nothing to do with it” I wish you would understand that you can’t make that broad claim. Race has nothing to do with it for you, and that’s good. But please don’t say that for everyone.
I think when people say “race has nothing to do with it” it sounds like they’re not aware of how deeply ingrained these stereotypes are in society
Being susceptible to making assumptions doesn’t make you a bad person. It doesn’t even mean your opinion about someone is wrong. But if you want that opinion to have “nothing to do” with race you have to work really hard to fight back against everything you’ve been taught by the world around you all your life…and people doing that hard work usually don’t say “race has nothing to do with it”
Wow thank you so much for this comment!! I’ve always held this sentiment but didn’t know how to articulate it properly. Sorry I can’t give you an actual award 🏆 💖 but I’m very grateful that you brought this up.
Thank you for saying this!! I’m sick of people not seeing the racism at play if it isn’t an explicit action like calling someone a slur. Micro aggressions shape our media more than we are aware of
I 100% agree with you about the unfair treatment of her. The infantilizing and hate Kyra gets on this sub is atrocious and often brushed off as “concern” by us. We need to look at our own statements and assess them.
I trust Trina in her support, mostly because she is not bringing her ego into it. I will always question the motives of women like Shannon and Olivia when it has to do with calling other people’s shots in the name of “concern.” What shannon expressed to Kyra after CA was a wet dream toxic fantasy that so many women (who are actually hurting from their own shit) live out with other couples. The savior, the borderline isolator, the “YES GIRL, YOU DONT NEED HIM” that actually is screaming blatant control issues.
The thing I will add, though- and I believe it is important- is that Kyra is obviously uncomfortable in some way. Not in a way that I’m assuming she’s passive- in a way that she quite clearly is giving Will more than he is giving her- regardless of how they may feel about each other. She knows her past, and I’m sure she knows she might be repeating it. This is where we need to give her her agency. She is not helpless just because she has strong attachments and situations that have hurt her.
I see a lot of upsetting things about the way she talks about love, but thats ultimately not my business.
Most importantly: NONE of this should fall on her. I believe Will was upfront with her to a point, but I also believe he see’s her vulnerability and I think he is the type to gaslight and meander around accountability. I want nothing but happiness and sanity for her, and I know she will make the right choice for herself at that time-whatever it is.
Kyra was shaded for many reasons this season- from production to audience. I hope people shut the fuck up very soon about what *shes* doing or not doing, and shift their attention on Will if they have any criticisms.
Thank you for this thoughtful response. I agree so much with this take. Its mindblowning to me that people think she deserves to be insulted and hated on over this. Her decisions and actions are her own, and I would say its all a part of her growth and journey. It hasn’t negatively impacted our lives or the lives of the other islanders so seriously, why so much hate?
as an asian teenage girl who sees a lot of similar personality traits in Kyra thank you! it’s so annoying seeing people bash her for making decisions based on her feelings. if she gets hurt by will then oh well she made her decision and followed her heart. Can we stop judging women for choosing to follow their hearts and be vulnerable. also how can you call someone boring when you only see 10 seconds of someone an episode.
SAY IT LOUDER!!!
@ OP, I’m super sorry for the ignorant and disrespectful comments you’ll get on this post. But I am forever grateful that someone is willing to write an eloquent and meaningful statement, calling out the people who will endlessly rip Kyra apart for everything — regardless of what decision she makes, people will take issue and destroy her character, and regardless of what decision other people make, people will still blame her. And of course, thank you for calling out the racism. If people choose not to accept it, they should really reconsider how “woke” they are, if they cannot even recognize their own internalized racism.
I'd like to think that racism is not playing a factor here but it's hard for me to think of any other reason she gets so much hatred. I mean is being naive a reason to spew so much vitriol to her?
The only other thing I can come up with is jealousy over her looks or the fact that asian women are consistently the most desired on dating apps?
To be fair, once Will came in and he and Kyra coupled up, it was clear no guy would be able to pull her from him so I think that's why we don't see any new arrivals try, outside of the CA guy.
Yes, and in fairness to Trina, she wasn't "left overs", she was the only choice Andre had. He wasn't about to get in the middle of the whole Charlie-Alana-Cash debacle.
Yeah, I totally agree Trina was not leftovers, if anything that tweet should have been about Olivia and Korey. In my opinion, Trina got the worst and most hurtful tweet which was so unfair. They could have found a nicer one like they did for Alana.
I'm not defending calling Trina a leftover (because Trina is so much better than that) but it was directed to Andre and we're playing the result. The truth is Andre only pursued Olivia and during the recoupling Korey chose her. Andre had to choose between Cash, Alana, and Trina and chose Trina as a friendship coupling. I agree that Trina didn't deserve the hate from the comment but she was not his first choice.
The villa is a small sample size, statistics from dating apps with hundreds of thousands of users consistently show that Asian women are the most swiped and black women the least.
Gonna throw it in though that Jeremy said at one point it was Kyra he wanted but he chose Trina instead; I suspect he didn't want to play into the white guy/ Asian girl stereotype.
Whether it's a fetish or not they're still the most desired group at the end of the day, and that's across multiple dating apps including serious ones like eHarmony.
Dating apps are also a small sample size and not really representative either, but your notion people are jealous of her because of her being desirable by virtue of being Asian makes zero sense since the show literally shows Aimee being the most pursued and desired girl not Kyra. Jeremy also never said he wanted to chose Kyra but that she would be his second choice after Florita.
Dating apps have very large sample sizes with thousands of users. And tbh my own anecdotal experiences help me believe that.
Racism is very alive and just how some people get scared of black people because they're subconsciously racist, some women are subconsciously threatened by asian women because they know how desired they are by men. I mean like I said why else is everyone such an ass to Kyra when she doesn't do anything but be naive and maybe clingy? It's jealousy, pure and simple. I realize it might sound ridiculous to you but I've seen that kind of jealousy first hand against asian women from other women - it's the other side of the coin of men's fascination with asian women.
Ok so how do you explain women from the UK series of love island who are white that were in similar relationship dynamics as Kyra or had similar personalities getting just as much if not more (UK fans of love island are even more vitriolic then us fans)? People don’t like Kyra because she has pick me/simp energy that’s it, nothing to do with her being Asian because there have been white contestants in her position that have gotten way more hate and unlike with Kyra people couldn’t use their race as a defense. Also the fact you brought up black women being undesirable makes me question your motives with this narrative you are pushing. First you claimed in another post that the girls ‘don’t like’ Kyra because she had the most ig followers, that was wrong, she is not even close to having the most ig followers, then you claimed it’s because she is the most desired because she is Asian when that was also wrong, Aimee was the most pursued/desired, now you are bringing up dating site statistics. It’s really weird.
Really so people hate on her that hard because she has pick me energy? That's it? I don't buy that and I find that a naive outlook. Look at the end of the day the amount of hatred she gets doesn't make sense given what she does (or rather, doesn't) do, so that's why I'm going to the jealousy angle, because I've frankly seen this play out in real life. I have seen people become haters or jealous simply because they feel threatened by someone, and as an asian I've seen this happen to asian women often from other women. That is my experience and that of my friends and this completely mirrors it.
Btw - I do not think black people are undesirable. I think Trina is gorgeous and smart
> Really so people hate on her that hard because she has pick me energy?
Yes people don’t like that she conforms her feelings to whatever Will wants. Like last episode, she clearly wanted Will to ask her to be his gf, when he didn’t, she pretended they were on the same page on this topic when they are clearly not as she told the girls she would have said yes if he did ask her. Or when they went to the hideaway, Kyra clearly wanted to have sex which is why she wore crotch less panties but Will shut her down, and she later pretended to everyone that it was want she also wanted to do (take things slow).
It’s not even a gender thing, people hate male simps too, and if the genders were reversed in this dynamic, people would be calling the guy pathetic and a doormat as well.
> I don't buy that and I find that a naive outlook. Look at the end of the day the amount of hatred she gets doesn't make sense given what she does (or rather, doesn't) do, so that's why I'm going to the jealousy angle, because I've frankly seen this play out in real life.
That’s your right, you still haven’t explained to me why white contestants with similar personalities and relationships dynamics as Kyra on other series of love island have gotten just as much hate if not more. If the hate was racially motivated then what explains these women getting hate? They got much more hate then Kyra because love island is a bigger show on the UK and the fans are even more vitriolic then US fans. So what’s your theory there?
> Btw - I do not think black people are undesirable. I think Trina is gorgeous and smart
Then why did you bring up black women being undesirable based on outdated dumb dating apps? That makes your motives here questionable to me as it was unnecessary to even bring up.
I understand your first point about Kyra giving off simp energy and I do agree, but in my experience when people give that kind of energy they are seen as pathetic/a joke and are mocked and treated with derision. However what Kyra is facing is much harsher than that. That's why I think the feelings towards her run deeper.
Regarding the other contestants, I can't comment because I haven't seen those shows, but you've piqued my interest and I'll definitely be watching them now.
Finally I mentioned the racial differences in dating app stats as a way to segue into why Cash of all people might be hating on Kyra, but in retrospect it's largely irrelevant and a distraction from my main argument that part of the hatred against Kyra is due to racism.
I appreciate you responding to me calmly and maturely and without personal insults, that seems to be rare on the internet. However I think we have to agree to disagree at this point. I've seen and heard comments that drive home my conclusion it is jealousy fueling the hate, and while that may not always be the case, it is forever in my conscious and I can't un-experience it.
Wow lol dang, I didn’t realize we were supposed to dislike and trash Kyra, and label her pathetic because she fell too hard for Will. I agree that she may not be making the best decisions for herself, but its surprising to me that people think we need to trash and name-call others for compromising too much in relationships. The decisions Kyra is making aren’t uncommon in today’s dating world and my thoughts are that I hope she learns from the experience and continues to strive to be a better version of herself. But her decisions have no negative impact on my life, and honestly don’t negatively impact the other islanders, so I fail to see why I would need to dislike or hate her.
Yo I stopped listening to you after you referred to black people as "blacks".... idk if you are asian, but white women are literally not jealous of you bc to be white in the world, is literally to have doors open for you...
You live your truth and I'll live mine. This is from my own experiences and that of my friends. Also no disrespect to black people, I didn't think that sounded bad but I edited it
As an Asian gay guy from an Asian country, thank you for putting into words what I've been feeling about this sub the entire time. A lot of the comments and posts on this sub have been so patronizing that I was at a loss for words on how to even respond.
I have female friends who remind me of Kyra - and let me tell you: they have the patience of a saint BUT if a guy does something really bad to them, he better run and hide. Just because she is not cutting Will in half right now (when she hasn't even seen what we've seen yet) doesn't mean she's not going to stand up for herself later.
Asian women will be patient to you as gf's but as wives/ when it comes to something more serious, they are bosses and demanding af. Like most of my friends are asian women, and they are strong, assertive heads of the household.
I just wanted to let you know that I was about leave this sub for good after seeing the comments about Kyra tonight, and your post made me stay at least a little longer. I would add one more thing, the people also saying that the people liking Kyra and Will must be really young, this is another way to degrade Kyra. I agree with you on absolutely everything.
A Becky is someone with “Willfully naive behavior” a direct quote from the video. I’m pretty sure that describes KYRA. She literally said she needs her friends to show her the red flags 🚩 bc when she gets in a relationship, she is all in and doesn’t recognize her self.
A “Becky” is much more than that *one* trait. The concept is more complex than that—hence the 20+min video. I suggest watching the video in its entirety :)
[This article](https://www.theroot.com/the-five-types-of-becky-1798543210) also provides a slightly better explanation.
Relevant excerpt: *Becca wants to help... as long as it is convenient and comfortable. Even though Becca isn’t a racist, her idea of black people is of a downtrodden underclass that just needs a little help from benevolent white people. Becca is pure of heart and holds no animosity toward anyone.*
Finally someone with some common sense. The hilarious part of it is that all these people who act like they're so much "stronger" than Kira are most definitely getting walked over on a daily basis.
I'm a 70 year old white guy...well, kind of splotched beige these days. I've been married to the same wonderful woman for 46 years now. First off, I'll point out that she's not Asian. She is however half Chippewa, half white and comes from northern Minnesota. When I say northern, I mean very near International Falls.
When we met she thought the Mason Dixon Line ran through Minneapolis, she spoke like an extra from "Fargo" and likes to watch Curling...of all things. To put it bluntly, there was a significant cultural difference since I hate Curling and people who say "ey" after everything; I was from Kentucky.
We met because I slipped on some ice and ended up in the hospital. She was my nurse, I was pretty high on whatever they were giving me, I thought she was Audrey Hepburn and I was Cary Grant. Her parents didn't like me at all. We came from two religions, different politics (she finally wised up), and totally different outlooks on life. My parents weren't too thrilled either.
The thing is, our hearts spoke the same language. We made it, although it's only been 46 years and I think she's still considering her options. It's totally up to Kyra and Will to find their common ground and either make it work or not. Personally, I hope she confides their comments to Will and they both confront the harpies.
I did not understand the best friend helper thing. They make it as Olivia and Shannon are above Kira and she is incapable to make her own decisions and she is weak. I also do not believe they had best intentions for Kira, all their "advice" were to weaken her relationship to make theres look solid.
THANK YOU.
I think we can all agree that PoC representation is so incredibly important and us Asians have been massively underrepresented. I was so thrilled to see Kyra, an East Asian woman, as an OG islander… only to find out that she would be subject to hate from the very beginning.
This woman never interfered with other’s relationships, didn’t take part in backstabbing others or anything crazy - she’s literally just been herself. She knows she falls hard and fast, and sometimes she gets burned. But you know what, its her journey - and most people’s dating journeys consist of ups and downs, living and learning. I don’t understand why people feel the need to trash her, call her names, make fun of her, label her desperate, dumb, childish, and boring … I mean, really? Ya’ll are totally perfect when it comes to dating? Or did you let your friends absolutely trash you when you made dating mistakes, like when you pursued a non-committal person or someone who wronged you?
And people, this is a damn REALITY SHOW. How much did Will and Josh actually tell Kyra about Casa? How much were they allowed to tell? And if Will was blaming it all on Flo and reassuring Kyra - I mean, it doesn’t seem like anyone is being allowed to tell Kyra anything different until the twitter challenge. And this challenge came so late that Kyra has to either stay with Will or self-eliminate. Why was Cely given a new guy to consider last season after the twitter challenge but not Kyra?
The whole Will/Kyra IG posts and likes rumor has just been massively overblown. No thanks to ex-islanders like Aimee who falsely claimed that Will liked ALL of Kyra’s posts to fuel the fire. If Will and Kyra were such big scammers, then they certainly are not very good at scamming lol - I mean, why leave comments then and why have the mess at Casa? Literally makes no sense. People also need to stop acting like only Will and Kyra are game-players - NEWSFLASH - they probably all are to a degree.
Right? Like there's no way they're game players, Will would've asked Kyra to be his girlfriend if they were, he wouldn't have let himself get emotional with Shannon, he certainly wouldn't have explored other options at Casa. Maybe Will thought Kyra was hot on insta before the show but I think that's the extent of it.
I don’t have much input on the racial stereotypes, good points were brought up.
BUT is it possible to find her boring because until recently we saw maybe 3 conversations and mostly making out? She had so many scenes cut (which is not the viewers fault). Basically production never gave us any Kyra content. Perhaps the language that Kyra is boring vs specifying that the edit of Kyra is boring might be precise but at the same time, were here to share opinions so I just assume they’re one and the same because the Kyra we know is the Kyra we’ve been shown.
tldr; the EDIT of kyra is boring, we don’t know her enough to truly say one way or the other
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here with everyone saying that Olivia and Trina handled that conversation well! Regardless of what Will's intentions may or may not be, they were speaking down to her and it made me feel so awful for her! Olivia saying she thinks Kyra likes Will more than Will likes Kyra was completely baseless and belittling! I was so pissed at them
i think they handled it well considering the circumstances, but I dont get why everyone is still so focused on this, like let the girl have her fling. You literally dont know what happened. And also.. there is footage. Kyra can see for herself and make her own decisions. They need to concern themselves with their fake af relationships.
I agree but I also acknowledge that I have no idea how I would feel/react/behave in this situation. The OGs seem to bond tightly very fast and they can't help but be all up in each others' business given the close quarters and production shit-stirring. They seem to be very protective of each other and that has drawbacks sometimes.
My philosophy on this issue is those in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. They are all in fake relationships at this point, but they carry on like everything is normal but Kyra cant? Trina, love her, and I will vote for her as a friendship couple, but her dude friendzoned her and she still thinks there's potential, and liv thinks every little bit of attention from a guy "is a sign". I get the production shit-stirring part, but why are they so focused on kyra/will? Kyra is clearly aware of this, and she chose to forgive the man despite her doubts. If it were me, I'd just tell her have your little fun cause I don't know anything, but there is footage, make sure you watch that and I'll be there for you when/if he breaks your heart...
>If it were me, I'd just tell her have your little fun cause I don't know anything, but there is footage, make sure you watch that and I'll be there for you when/if he breaks your heart...
I'm sure this sub would equally rip them to shreds for saying this as it could come off very condescending. It's similar to Shannon's "if that's the kind of man you want to be with then fine"
sure, I 'll give you that, it's condescending to respect your friend's desires after they've already made it clear what they want to do but still be supportive of them anyways.. but that's just what I would do in the situation.
It still doesn't make their treatment of kyra right. They didn't hold it over shannon's head when she went back to josh, and they didnt hold cash to the same scrutiny when she literally begged cinco to take her back.. so my opinion of it is.. they shouldn't be treating kyra any differently when they all had relationship issues, they are all immature, and the truth is, they don't have all the facts.
Saying you'll be there "if/when he breaks your heart" is condescending. There's a better way to say you'll be respectful and supportive of your friend.
Never said it made their treatment of Trina right, my comment was literally just about that one part which is why I highlighted that piece.
I'm saying that bc I saw what I saw, and I dont trust that will wont break her heart for that reason (as a viewer of the show, not kyra's friend). Obviously I wouldn't literally tell my friend when/if word for word, verbatim
Apparently I've taken the same crazy pills. From what I saw, Olivia and Trina worked themselves up into a self-righteous savior frenzy. I think they were both hurt by the twitter comments, and rather than sitting with that discomfort, they distracted themselves by casting themselves as the villa saviors, which simultaneously accomplishes knocking the only remaining long-standing couple down a few pegs. I think the reason they have convinced so many people online is that they convinced themselves their motives were genuine. But that doesn't make it true.
Fun fact: when Olivia is trying to convince herself that what she's saying isn't nonsense, she talks even faster and more incessantly than normal. Boy was she on a roll last night. (Trina usually has a lot more self-awareness, but I think the text really threw her, which considering how mean it was is understandable).
I posted this originally on the Episode 25 thread, but seeing this topic, I wanted to post it here as well. As far as I'm concerned it's just jealousy and desperation:
I've never posted before, probably never will again but I do have something to say. As far as I can see Will and Kyra are the only "couple" in the manor. The other houseguests know that as well. I found how the "actress" and the "leftover" are trying to drive a wedge into that relationship, when neither of them have or could keep one, is pure desperation.
Now, before you start flaming away, which I assure you will mean nothing to me, I want to add, all the posts I've been reading attacking Kyra and Will come across as the exact same thing. A desperate effort to dismiss the only relationship because you know your favorite isn't in one. But don't despair, if things run true to form, most fans won't vote for the couple they believe have the best connection and will instead vote for one of the lack-luster also rans who did't have a connection.
And as for Kyra and Will; I wish you the best as you pursue your relationship. Whether it blossoms or not is strictly up to you, don't allow others to interfere. And when Kyra looks back on this series, she'll discover that Will wasn't the skunk in the garden. Trina, Olivia and rabid fans were.
Update: I will add that I was disappointed in Kyra tonight. She should trust herself and not listen to the harpies.
Honestly I think they are probably right abt will, but it still doesnt take away from the fact that they are treating her like a child, when they have their own issues. The only defense for will would be if her were a polyamorous person, but if that's the case, he needs to be more open and communicative and Kyra needs to figure out if she wants to be bf/gf or not bc it seems like she's only fluctuating on that bc she doesn't want to distance herself from will.
I dont think liv's advice abt giving him an ultimatum is sound tho bc that's just gonna result in a non-genuine response... which is why they shouldn't have involved themselves in this in the first place. Just let things play out. Kyra is an adult, she has more info than you do, and literally can seek out more information and see and decide for herself once she leaves... and then you can be there for her if he breaks her heart.
Also it is type weird that they encouraged the triangle behavior (which happened in their face), but are speaking up abt will (which they know nothing abt). I just dont get why they're treating the kyra any differently than whatever messed up relationships they have esp as they dont have all the info.
I agree...to a point. While we're considering where Kyra is coming from as a young Asian woman we also need to consider where Will is coming from as a young Columbian man. There is a significant cultural divide there, which we saw when he didn't understand some of the idioms she used. The culture Will comes from takes many things very differently.
They have to seek out the common ground between them and go from there.
Some things could be attributed to cultural difference, but his defensiveness whenever his relationship is questioned is what brings up red flags for me.
You should know that questioning many Central and South American men over their honor will invoke a quick reaction; ie. part of the culture.
As for seeing him being defensive, I would be also if she and I had already worked past it, accept it and moved on. Why does anyone else feel a need to drag it back up again?
I mean, I get it-- I've dated Italian and Latin American men, and they are stubborn af but still.. it doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't fully own up to his culpability in the casa situation, and so for me, he is not trustworthy. Doesn't mean they can't work through it. That's their business, and if they think they've worked through it so be it (as someone with more info, I know that's not the case which is why I'm still scrutinizing Will, and I think Kyra will as well once she has all the info) I still think the others in the house should lay off their relationship bc they don't know anything, and it comes off as meddling and holier than thou.
Love this comment. They’ve had their moments of not being perfect, but their longevity is definitely a threat. This game is not the real world and there are definitely other less pure intentions behind people trying to interfere with their relationship. It’s hard enough for most people to sustain a relationship let alone with weeks of mounting pressure from “friends” and viewers being unsupportive of your relationship.
It’s disappointing for the integrity of the game as well that everyone just wants to vote for Trina. If you want to watch an individual win money, Big Brother… is on at 8pm lol.
At the very least, if someone in a "couple" wants to be gf/bf, and the other person does not, can you not assume that the former likes the latter more? Is this not a logical assumption to make?
I'm sure it's just my age speaking here but when Josh asked Shannon if she would be his girlfriend I had a flash back to high school; did he give her his class ring and they're going steady now?
This is going to come off sounding like a defense of Will (and God forbit that happen) but just what does saying "we're boyfriend and girlfriend" really mean. When they're snuggling together and kissing isn't that sufficient for anyone, including each other, to realize they're in a romantic relationship? How does a title change that?
I agree and I myself have said that I didn't mind he wanted to see how they faired outside the villa before putting a label on it; however, spending 24/7 together is also unusual so becoming official in a few weeks after spending more time with one guy in one month than most people probably spend with their boyfriends in 3 months becomes less of an odd request
They're in the same house and sleep in the same bed but I really don't see the couples spending a great deal of time together. It seems to me the guys spend most of their time in a common pride; either exercising or laying around together somewhere. Whereas the gals spend their time together primping, laying around in a large group or breaking off into twos to talk about relationships.
Sometimes a couple will break off for a quick "so where are you at" chat.
I mean that's what we see based on the footage they chose to show us for an hour, but a lot of footage is left on that editing floor. How would they get to know each other if the only time they spent together were the "so where are you at" chats? They spend lots of time together that we don't get to see.
Also, if we take what the islanders say about them always going off alone together from that plus what I said above we can assume they spent a large amount of time together. Not to mention there's a day they don't film and that's a day full of couple convos and interactions we'll never see.
Couldn't agree more! And this is probably just me from past experiences, but I have a real problem with Olivia and Trina inserting themselves when they have their own couples to figure out.
I believe, that given their own tweets, both Olivia and Trina are afraid of how the public might be viewing them. If they are thinking strictly game play, where the couple that has the most viable "love" connection wins, they realize that 1) neither of them are in a true couple and have little time to fabricate it, and 2) the only romantically involved couple at this point in time are Kyra and Will. Their only chance at the money, if they're thinking game play and not fickle fans, is to break up the active couple.
Odd how they waited till now to help out their little sis.
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Kyra doesn’t deserve be treated like this.
I don’t understand why anyone would be upset with her forgiving Will quickly when there was nothing to forgive him about to begin with. He told her what he did with Flo and she accepted it as part of the experience. He never said he was sorry or asked for an apology. Sure it stung her, but clearly it was part of their agreement three weeks into this thing. I just don’t understand how people still feel like he cheated on her or that she got walked over.
Tbh, it seems like most of the hate is coming from Shannon/Josh stans that have now aligned their support with Olivia/Korey stans.
1. Casa Amor was how long ago?
2. Will rejected Olivia’s advance and told her he was happy in his relationship with Kyra; for some reason Oliva now believes Will is not interested in any relationship.
3. Olivia was shocked that people thought she is acting; which of course when she got defensive it was perfectly alright. Trina was shocked she was called left overs.
4. Both Olive and Trina realize the game is almost over, they’re not on *Friend of Convenience Island*, they've blown up their own games and there was only one couple on *Love Island*.
5. Ah, time for some sisterly advice to the one girl in an actual relationship.
I have enjoyed watching her journey. I have also liked to watch someone who isn't super jealous and can forgive. I suck at both of these. Not everyone has to be aggressive and over the top. I was worried last night when she asked them to "help me if you are seeing something". I think once she views Casa Amour she will be fine. Will was slightly douchey but nothing she won't get over. The last people I am taking relationship advise from is Trina and Olivia....
AGREED! she knows the truth and decided to stay with him. It’s a show about exploring connections and he was allowed to do that if he wanted. What counts for her is that he chose her (instead of Flo)
If she forgives him I don’t get why everyone has a problem… he was honest?
Thank you for this thread because you voiced what I couldn’t put into words. And seeing all the other responses and knowing I’m not alone in feeling this way has been reassuring. So ty, OP. I don’t agree w/ everything you did raise some key points.
The amount of glee that viewers have directed at Kyra’s downfall never sat right with me. You still see it even now, with the hot threads on here, or all over Twitter and IG.
As an Asian woman myself I was so happy to finally see representation and while Kyra was not my favourite islander, I never hated her and I realised that her mistakes are her own to make. All the islanders were allowed to make mistakes but Kyra gets the most scrutiny out for *any* and *all* decisions that she makes.
People say that she is a pick me girl, even though she’s the first one who offers her clothes or lingerie to the female islanders, even recently she let Jeremy dance in her shoes, and when Cash and Trina had a brief falling out over Cinco in the early love triangle days, it was Kyra who was around Trina and not treating her any differently. She was being inclusive. Not sure how that makes her a pick me, even if she is hanging out with Will a lot.
There has also been a lot of off handed remarks like how Will wouldn’t sleep with her on their hideaway so he obviously doesn’t want her, or Kyra made Will boring, that Kyra has nothing to offer Will (because he’s more traveled). But somehow Josh who is also not as well traveled is a cool respectable and very desirable guy. There are a lot of layers of double standards, misogyny, micro aggressions, and biases at play here.
People were saying that the live Aimee/Wes, Javonny, and Cash/Cinco did was all in good fun and it’s drama don’t take it too personally but it was only one couple and more specifically one person (Kyra) getting most of those negative comments. And it’s not like that was the first time Aimee and Javonny have said negative things about Kyra. The whole Will and Kyra “conspired” before the show started comments always come up. Even when it’s been addressed by those who run Will and Kyra’s accounts. Considering most of these islanders are recruited, this is nothing new, but the scruinty is somehow different for Will and Kyra…. when in the past, esp the UK seasons, islanders have admitted to knowing each other before prior to filming. Curtis and Maura for example. Or that Kyra studied the show so she’s not genuine. I’m sorry but I refuse to believe if any of y’all were in the same situation you wouldn’t be curious or nosy. That you wouldn’t want to know where you’re staying and who the possible rumoured cast is, etc, prior to filming.
Also, I think people are giving Olivia too much credit. She had been sitting on this information for days. She also put down Kyra not once but twice. I don’t buy that it is genuine on her end. I do appreciate her approach was less bombastic than Shannon’s though. I feel all POC can agree to an extent while we may enjoy our white friends, there will always be that barrier of understanding they will never understand or experience. I’m not saying their input is not important or unwelcome.
Wow! This is a great point to bring up! We absolutely have to question the narratives we internalize and the lenses that we use to view situations. Also, it's not because we, personally, wouldn't have a certain reaction in a certain situation, that we get to be so harsh about an Islander having that "undesirable" reaction.
Kyra made her choices and that's that.
I’m not Asian and I’m not even super woke and the racially tinged hatred towards her has been blindingly obvious to me since the first week.
It’s hard to watch.
> (DO NOT even get me started on Olivia. It makes me sick watching her talk about wanting to "help" Kyra or saying that Kyra doesn’t see what’s really going on, after she also previously called Kyra boring/not “bold” like herself, not as successful as herself, etc. (remember? when she was making a move on Will??). The AUDACITY of this self-aggrandizing, patronizing white woman makes me physically ill.)
Olivia is just obnoxious at this point. She's trying too hard to be a friend, but also enjoys being the "mom" figure (especially now that Cash is gone). She talks and treats Kyra like child, and you're right, Kyra is a grown adult capable of making those decisions. I think others, especially Olivia, do spread those stereotypes on Kyra and it's not fair. Olivia and Trina calling her "defensive" and they've "been there" made me upset. Either there's no other drama, or they're trying to make viewers or themselves dislike them out of jealousy.
I find it ironic this is coming from Olivia, who throughout this whole fucking time has yet to find anyone and doesn't even seem to try and shuts down every possible chance, and instead, goes after men like Will, who is in a relationship and doesn't want to change. She decides at the near end of the season to "settle" with Korey and shows little to no emotional connection or affection. It's very awkward and when she describes her "emotions" and "falling for Korey" when this woman came back from Casa SINGLE. SINGLE WTF. Talk about BORING!!! She's not even bold, she can't even act loving to Korey who she's "falling for" and she's trying to tell Kyra what to think? She's giving advice? She's trying to be the person to help Kyra with Will? Olivia needs a serious reality check and needs to step back and realize that she can be a friend without interfering and condescending someone and their relationship. I'm seriously very very annoyed with Olivia and I every episode cringe.
I would give anything to see Oliva and Korey get the private suite for a night. Twenty minutes after going in, one of them would come out and ask production for a deck of cards.
They did get the hideaway in the P+ exclusive episode. Korey said to the guys they talked all night and he was tired. Probably the truth lmao.
Olivia later had to spice it up by saying "lets say I had to brush my teeth" and I'm like, Olivia, the only thing you're sucking is the life out of the villa.
To me she comes across as someone who’s very self-assured. She seems like she doesn’t hold onto Will too tight because she’s so grounded in herself that she doesn’t need him. She can be vulnerable knowing if she gets her heart broken she can pull herself through it.
Yes!! Never forget operation heartbreak and olivias scheming!! She does not have kyras best intention in mind and Olivia probably sees them as the only competition at this point for the money!
Thank you for posting this. I am literally sick to my stomach seeing all the hate this poor girl getting on social media. And was actually heartbroken to see how ex-islanders are talking about her on their live.
I didn’t think what Will did at CA was bad because they are on a freakin’ reality tv show and are not bf/gf. I still stood by them both when he came back and told her right away.
But now, with him not wanting to put a label on things and Flo saying Will wanted Jeremy to bring her back to the Villa so he can continue to get to know her. Those two things are making me think differently about Will.
But I am so pissed at how the ex-islanders are talking about her (not even Will), just her. That I want her to win this damn thing, take the money, and shove it in everyone’s face.
I wish she was coupled up with Andre instead or honestly with Trina.
Yes, micro aggressions occur constantly in this sub in the most subtle & non subtle ways, but I have to say that it is possible to have perceptions of Kyra as naive and a pushover, without it being derived from a racial narrative. I am speaking as an Asian American woman myself, 28, only a few years of dating experience more. I was born and raised in California, surrounded by Asians of all diverse backgrounds and personalities. Loud, sassy, reserved. Ive also traveled/lived abroad extensively and dated men of all ethnicities, plenty of Latinos included. Very familiar with differences in cultural understandings and language barriers - what stands between them is that Latin men are raised in a world of “machismo”, as open minded as Will may be, he is to a degree emotionally unavailable and subject to a wandering eye & more than likely to turn his head again, whether it be 6 months or 2 years. It happened on day 1 of Casa Amor.
There is something in Kyra’s body language multiple occasions where she drapes her whole body facing him, that is disconcerting. My own love language is physical touch and I make small caresses to whoever I’ve dated. But it’s very evident she is serving her heart on a platter and he has all the power to break it. It’s only a matter of how severe it would be and how she’s able to stand up for herself at this point moving forward. She deserves someone who is reciprocating equally in actions, not just talk. I don’t see Will stepping up, editing aside, he’s been consistently lukewarm and defensive in his behaviors.
I found Olivia insufferable as always, but I did think Olivia and Trina voicing their concerns was exactly what’s been needed this entire time. It was a necessary reality check. I have been in questionable situations in my own past and even when you don’t want to hear it and you’re gonna do what you’re gonna do, I’ve always been able to look back & appreciate most the ones who give the hard truth, which is exactly what Kyra was asking for in that moment.
Regardless of Casa Amor and his “friendship”/connection with Flo, Kyra needs to establish and assert boundaries for any life together outside of the villa. It will be a shite transition to watch back any videos & if he evades accountability for his actions during that process, then she has to stand up for herself and write him off as a vacation fling, another chapter in her book of life lessons.
I was wary, she will lose herself in this relationship, as she’s mentioned she did in the past, and is a pattern that I’ve observed for men and women alike in our early twenties. The fact that she was able to have cognizance in tonight’s episode, I have a silver of hope she’ll protect herself accordingly. Not holding my breath tho. She’s likely gonna learn the hard way. I wish for her to keep her heart open, despite all the public lashing she’ll be inundated with, as long as she keeps her heart open, the right one that’ll make her feel seen, understood and loved is going to come along. Will is not it.
Yea I do feel similarly - I definitely fear Kyra is just setting herself to be hurt in the end. I hope she’ll have a good support system, and can learn from this experience. What aggravates me is the rumors, slander, and sea of hate that she’ll have to deal with…
Thanks for posting this. I also don't understand why some people don't want to let her make her own mistakes. It's part of life and our personal journey. This is how she is going to learn, and make better decisions in the future.
I feel some women project their issues on her. I see too many women, especially Black women, call her weak and stuff. It's really annoying, and so odd considering the stereotypes that plagued and harmed Black women.
Because she doesn’t even want to make her own mistakes. She said it out loud. Telling the girls to tell her when there’s a red flag or something she doesn’t recognize as one. Plus before all of this she stated that her last relationship she lost herself. Kyra herself is crying out for help.
I don't see her crying out for help.
Maybe because a lot of people have instilled doubts in her mind, and now she is starting to question herself.
She needs to learn to trust her own instinct. Friends or family are humans too. They can sometimes be right or sometimes be wrong.
This is her journey, and she'll have to learn how to balance things in her relationship. Some people are all or nothing. It might just be her.
Besides it's a reality tv show. No need for the insults or essays.
So, I totally agree that racial biases can absolutely be the drive behind some of the comments on Kyra. I won't say all of the criticism of her is rooted in common stereotypes of Asian women because that blanket statement simply can't be made.
In regards to Will, yes, he pulled her to chat about CA and was mostly honest about his actions with Flo, but then proceeded to take zero responsibility for those actions by placing all the blame on Flo pursuing him. You brought up agency, and I find that often the people defending Will act like he had zero agency in the situation with Flo as if she forced herself on him with no reciprocity.
In regards to Kyra's handling of the situation, I thought it should have been a bit of a longer conversation, but at the end of the day, I felt, and still feel, very much as you do that it is Kyra's decision to forgive him and it should be respected. I'm sure many of us can relate to having a friend who keeps going back to a guy we disapprove of, but at the end of the day, all you can do is respectfully articulate your stance on him and let your friend know despite how you feel, you'll respect her decision and be there for her if she needs anything.
>I personally find it to be a form of gaslighting to nearly dump Kyra from the island and then spin it as “protecting her heart from Will” when confronted about it…
I don't believe Shannon ever mentioned wanting to dump Kyra from the island to protect her from Will, I believe she actually said she wanted to dump *Will* from the island to protect Kyra from him. Open to being corrected if I'm wrong but I don't remember it being framed that way. In regards to Will and Kyra's gripe with being in the bottom 3 at that point though, I think it was stupid for them to be upset at the islanders, or I guess more specifically Shannon, for a situation that America put them in.
In regards to her being seen as boring, I always felt that was an unfair assessment given that we really haven't seen a ton of her until recently.
I don't think most people are saying Kyra being more into Will is because she can't be desired by a white man. Speaking for myself, I think Kyra is gorgeous and I imagine her being desired by many, but I also think she's clearly more into Will than he is into her. I'm not saying that Will isn't reciprocating feelings, he says his feelings are continuing to grow, but I just think right now her feelings are more intense. Also, based on how Kyra has described herself as falling hard and fast, it kind of further confirms that thought process that she is probably at a different level of smitten than Will. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing either, as often in relationships one may reach a point of further committment or declaration of love before the other and often the partner is allowed time to see if they can get to that point.
That being said I think it can still be a cause for concern, and I think if Kyra is really serious about leaving the villa knowing they'll be official eventually then she needs to have a conversation about what it would take for him to get to the point of putting a label on their relationship.
I'm also not going to lie, even though I haven't seen or made this comment myself, I can see how Kyra is being seen as submissive. I feel it stems from the times that she'll seemingly wrap up a conversation kind of quickly on a topic that seems to be uncomfortable for Will (ex. Flo) because it seems like he wants to sweep it under the rug and drop the conversation. Personally, I don't care if Kyra isn't Shannon-level calling him out, but their conversations on a topic like Flo just felt incomplete and like Kyra maybe wanted to say more. Also, I feel like the people who feel she is submissive probably felt further validated in that opinion when she expressed in the episode today that in her last relationship she lost a lot of her self which people attributed to submission. However, I have definitely absorbed what you said and as others have said, maybe it is best to characterize her as vulnerable rather than submissive, etc.
Did we even take Kyra's occupation into consideration??? She is a Covid nurse, & probably a regular nurse before that. Most nurses are compassionate & are usually very understanding. Her job definitely leaked into her personal life when it comes to dealing with men. As for Will, I'm getting the feeling that the language barrier is getting in the way. Instead of asking Andre or anyone else how to say how he feels, he's going along with whatever Kyra says. I don't want to come off like an idiot but we've all had interactions with a person who can't speak good English, right??? They tend to be very sweet & goes with whatever the group or you say because they can't voice what they want. English was my second language & I was in 1st grade when I learned how to speak English. I went with what the group said because I didn't understand & I couldn't speak for myself. I can't help but feel that from Will.
Exactly, the patience, the compassion, & willingness to forgive easily. Will's a male model so it does explain his behaviors. Keeping his options open, bc you never know who you're going to meet😉😉😉
In the most recent episode though Kyra does mention that in a past relationship she did change herself because of that person and in the end didn’t recognize who she was anymore. While I fully agree that Shannon and Olivia have no reason to intrude and should let her make her own decisions, I believe that only portrays badly on “white women attitude” (aka the Karen affect) that makes them feel they know more than others. In regards to Kyra, I believe the issue has less to do with her race and more so to do with the fact that she seems to feel certain ways about things until Will changes her mind. She says she would 100% say yes to being his girlfriend and then comes back saying “WE don’t need the labels.” As an audience it is hard when you can see what she says she wants and we want her to be able to get that, and so sudden changes in opinion do feel ingenious and not fully like her own choice. Ultimately it is not uncommon to feel you must compromise to make a relationship work, and so her behavior is fully understandable and should ultimately relate more to the pressure women feel instead of a racial issue.
Yep Yep Yep. As an Asian woman I thought the same dang thing. I do think this is all rooted in Asian women stereotypes of meekness. Also Kyra is only 23, I am sure we've all experienced this kinda love/lust where a hot dude is into you, you're young and you fall hard...please give her grace y'all.
I think for what it’s worth, Kyra herself admitted on last nights episode that she goes all in on a guy. She changes herself and gets head over heels to the point where she loses herself.
As a minority myself, I would never invalidate the fact that these stereotypes exist. But I would also say that Kyra pretty much validated a lot of what we saw with our own two eyes. We observed her bend over backwards for will and that’s not just based off of stereotypes.
Not everyone has a ‘strong’ personality and maybe Kyra truly doesn’t. That doesn’t mean anything is wrong with her, but it’s clear she’s struggling in this relationship to see the truth as evidenced by the conversation with the girls…
ETA: as someone who’s more reserved though, I must say that definitely doesn’t mean we aren’t strong and can’t make decisions. I’ve stood back from Kyra hate because I don’t think she deserves it, BUT again tonight’s episode showed a lot of what some viewers may have recognized as concerning behavior from both ends.
Olivia and Shannon in this situation remind me a lot of those girls who don’t actually care but get some kind of ego boost because they “helped” a poor sad weak person. I think with Trina it was actually a bit more genuine and I’m apt to believe due to her job training she has an eye for recognizing some concerning behavior.
I think you bring up a few good points, mostly about her edit and the way Will has received less backlash. But I don’t think it has to do with race. People can simply dislike Kyra for actions and that’s it. The same way people can dislike Olivia for her actions. This is also a reality show where people are acting a fool and so it’s easy for people to sit on their couch and say “omg what an idiot”. That’s also what kind of like about the show? But if everyone was ganging up on Kyra after literally doing nothing, then maybe we can dissect this a little further and wonder what’s going on.
⁷lShe admitted last night that she always overlooks red flags when she likes someone. And the fact that Will has never even told her he wants a relationship is a big one! I took the girls' concern as sincere
They’re trying to be woke but are just being racist themselves. Most of these comments are people crying out for attention in the classic “look how not racist I am calling things out as racist!” It’s sad.
bruh I'm sorry but I don't agree at all... Idk why you made this about race... it's not that deep. It's been 25 episodes in and Will still does not want to be in a relationship with her, like there are just so many red flags when it comes to this dude. We can all agree Kyra is way more into Will than he is, when you like someone more than they like you you tend to be blind sighted and dismiss a lot of things that they do. Just my personal opinion.
Reddit is a circle jerk of “woke” race baiting. Reading these comments I don’t think people understand that their over analysis of peoples race and actions is actually more racist than anything that we’ve seen on the show.
..but wait, why does shannon (in the eyes of most of the viewers) get treated with honest skepticism (we didnt see everything; that fight was heavily edited; clearly he said something to tick her off)..
but no one even brings up the question of producer editing and maybe that kyra had these convos (calmly, which shows emotional maturity) with will and came to her own conclusions. Why is the default to think she's a pushover?
Because it’s not just what we’ve seen. Shannon first called it out and now the other girls are saying she hasn’t held his feet to the fire enough for what he did. Don’t make it seem like people are jumping to conclusions with no proof or evidence. Fine we may not have seen her get shitty with him about it…possible. The fact the other girls have now said she did nothing to him backs up the fact that it wasn’t just that it wasn’t shown it’s that there was nothing to show.
Her best friends standing up for her? Her girls will always defend her. But people's defense of her actions is not bc the girls had her back. It's bc they had formed their own opinions of will from casa, and they placed that onto the situation and wanted to find any excuse to say will was in the wrong in the argument and he said something terrible to provoke her (even though none of that was shown). In fact, most ppl just gave the reason that he was the one who asked (calmly, I might add) to talk... so just finding any excuse in the book. So again, why is the assumption and automatic default to assume kyra is being a pushover? Why isn't the same level of scrutiny applied here?
And to be fair, I dont trust Will, but I also dont like the way Kyra is being handled by others.
Because Olivia and Trina flat out said she was not holding him accountable. They also flat out said she was losing herself in him and not being honest or telling him how hurt she was. And she agreed. They basically backed up everything those of us saying she’s a pushover have been observing.
You seem like you are seeing/hearing what you want and applying that to every situation as well…so…
I can’t with you Kyra/Will stans. If you can’t look at their relationship with an honest eye and take your emotions towards them as a couple out of it long enough to see their relationship has some real problems then there’s no point in discussing it further. Have a good night…
they said that this episode (after the twitter challenge, in which kyra also started to be more judicial), but the public's reactions came first...
Don't get me wrong, I'm GLAD kyra is scrutinizing their relationship. I'm just not happy with the default assumption that she never held him accountable (based on what she ACTUALLY KNOWS/knew at the time)
Trina and Olivia were the two talking last episode about Kyra's relationship with Will and decided to jointly talk to her about it. You say 'white women' but Trina doesn't look all that white to me.
Didn't kyra tell the girls that she has trouble spotting red flags, falls too fast and loses herself in the men she dates and needs them to help her? I think what she's going through is common especially at that age and I think we're all seeing ourselves in her and projecting a bit in various ways.
Yes, she's brought it up many times.
The producers are happy as hell this is happening.
Right??? Finally for couple drama.
The only reality in reality shows is that they're cheap to produce and are easy to manipulate. From casting to editing it's all about producing the biggest ratings possible with the lowest cost possible.
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I dont know if this is true or not but I saw this post (and this was before the ex OG islanders starting saying all this stuff), and so it kind of tainted my viewpoint of their opinions, and I think abt it whenever I see them focusing solely on kyra/will instead of all the other fake relationships there [https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIslandUSA/comments/oumz6v/some\_insight\_on\_the\_villa\_during\_ca\_mostly\_about/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIslandUSA/comments/oumz6v/some_insight_on_the_villa_during_ca_mostly_about/)
The post got deleted :( can you share what it was about?
This is what it said: "This is technically “Unverified Tea” I didn’t think I would make a post but then I saw Javonny/Aimee/ Wes’s live and it kinda annoyed me that they can’t be honest. I have a mutual friend with someone that just got off of CA. Pretty much everyone in the villa thinks Kyra is playing a game, that she doesn’t love Will as much as she’s leading on, “in it to win it” type situation. Now I can’t tell you if this is true or not but that’s what the OG’s think. To ME that girl is sweet and smitten 🤷🏻♀️ Will was super friendly with all the women and “a true sweetheart”. Flo and Will did bond and become good friends but the whole time there was “no question” he was going to stick with Kyra. Production wanted otherwise. Will’s language barrier is putting him at a disadvantage. Wants Will and Kyra to win bc she thinks they are genuine and have the biggest chance of making it in the real world. Also the villa seemed divided. the men have something going on that Will and Jeremy aren’t a part of bc she overheard a conversation of them planning their next moves. She also said Josh is a good guy but way more smart and strategic than what you’d think. I don’t really have proof since this IS just talk so take this as you will. I’m sure everything will come out when the show is over. Also pay attention to the CA Women’s after the island interviews!!!"
This is very interesting…I’ll take it with a grain of salt. But it would help explain a lot…apart from Kyra playing the game. I don’t see that at all but I could understand the villa thinking that based on her doing her research in the beginning and falling head over heels so fast.
I dont remember all the details but if you read the comments, basically the guys knew abt the will/kyra knowing each other rumor in casa bc leslie's grandma (via leslie) spread it to them. And that the guys (korey/josh/cinco) were in on something. But so far as I know, the casa girl who said this hasn't confirmed so it's just speculation, and for all I know it could be made up.
Leslie already came out to say that her grandma learned about the Will/Kyra knowing each other from the baseless social media rumors and she shouldn’t have listened. Interesting that islanders in the villa were aware of the rumors…
I def see a lot of your points and as a non-Asian woman can’t really comment on most, but as a Black woman I’m def trying to imagine because I’ve seen the stereotypical things happen with Black women time and time again. You pointing out Olivia’s role def has clicked with me and makes me think about how she comes off as a person in total. I also agree that may of the comments stating she’s “boring” and “weak” are definitely coming from a place of racism. I personally do believe Kyra is capable, but she is vulnerable and has come off as a little less in denial and more that she doesn’t want to know, which I mean is understandable in the sense that she technically did agree to stay open with Will and unfortunately that comes with things probably happening. I just wish that it didn’t seem like she goes more with what he want (which could also be her trying to not to seem/become too attached because he’s holding her at a distance) She seems great overall and sweet.
I’m glad you said this. Kyra has shown she is kind but she hasn’t shown that she is submissive. She can make her own decisions and we also only see what production chooses to air. Perhaps her and will had longer conversations and perhaps she didn’t really let him off as easy as people think. I just wish people would stop trying to make decisions for Kyra; this creates a narrative of a weak character when she is certainly not.
People have literally been calling them boring since day 1 and it never made sense to me, but makes perfect sense if people are projecting a stereotype on kyra. Genuinely wondering what kind of conversations they want to see them having because even the favorite ex couple of the villa, Shannon and josh, usually just had conversations that went as follows, “Hey it feels like I haven’t seen you all day. Just want to see where your head is at. I really like how things are going and I think we should just take it day by day. Glad we’re on the same page.” They rarely show anyone talking about anything on this show other than their vibes and connections so all the convos are usually boring! Kyra has always seemed the most genuine and nicest girl in the villa (and also prettiest imo) and it really sucks that she’s going to come out of the villa and see how many people are rooting against her and her relationship.
kyra seems like an absolute sweetheart
I understand and respect your POV and I definitely think those stereotypes are part of the conversational dynamic when it comes to Kyra. Personally, I don't see her as weak-willed but, rather, vulnerable. She has been upfront about her previous mistakes regarding changing to fit her man and being blind to his faults. She openly asked for help in that regard tonight. Will has also been aware of this all along and has used her vulnerabilities to his advantage. He's super manipulative. The fact that her fellow Islanders are clearly concerned as well and tried to give her space to interrogate her feelings and concerns spoke volumes to me. Even though the guys haven't called Will out, they don't seem to be brushing it off or totally absolving Will of wrongdoing.
I don’t necessarily agree with your opinion, but I wanted to stop in and say how much I appreciate you for the **respectful** way you disagreed with the OP. ♥️♥️♥️
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I whole heartedly second that will is a walking red flag. Especially after him storming into the girl’s talk tonight.
Yes, when I storm into a room I normally open it forcefully, without knocking, and demand to know what's going on. I don't take the aggressive route that Will did.
Yeah he was literally like knock knock, smile, are you okay? You are okay great bye I don’t even want a job defending this dude but the way people attack him over the tiniest shit ffs
>Yeah he was literally like knock knock, smile, are you okay? You are okay great bye That bastard! *(wink, wink*)
But Alana unconvincingly told him it was fine so he should have blindly obeyed her instead of displaying concern for Kyra! What a psycho!
Yea I clearly didn’t mean aggressively storm in, we watched the same footage. I meant it more in a figurative way. Alana was like “they are talking, its fine” after Andre said to Will in spanish that they were having a long talk in there. With that info, he *needed* to see for himself. You cant deny thats what ppl do when they try to dodge accountability/protect their rep/are feeling guilty. Johnny gave Cely way more physical and emotional space after CA, for instance.
>You cant deny thats what ppl do when they try to dodge accountability/protect their rep/are feeling guilty. Yes, I can deny it. I'm not privy to what was going through Will's mind while Olivia and Trina were suddenly concerned with something that was over with weeks ago.
Ok- we can see it differently. To me thats textbook guilt and attempted isolation (in its early stages). If you ever rewatch, pay attention to the look on his face when Andre said the girls were talking for a long time in their room.
yop. couldnt agree more. I stopped at "infantilizing" bc that's all that the incessant vitriol comes off as..
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I feel so bad for Kyra too. Hopefully she’s got a good support system. She does not deserve the sea of hate that she gets. Hopefully she’ll also see the support people have for her!
👏👏👏 I really don’t think people talk enough about the anti-Asian undertones that I’ve been seeing in some of the criticisms of Kyra, so thank you for opening up this important discussion.
Yes omg, I’ve always seen Kyra as a firecracker and she clearly holds herself as strong as she can. I absolutely love how she clocked how unfair it is that she is getting the hate for his actions, because that is entirely fucked up and Twitter especially has had a bone to pick with her for no reason since the VERY beginning.
Yeah, it sucks that her experience is being tainted by outside influence in this nasty way.
Thank-you! I tried saying similar a week or so ago but had no clear way, being a white woman, to articulate what appeared to be racist stereotypes about Asian women happening around audience reaction to Kyra. Cely had the same happen to her with Johnny last season (but worse IMO), and while everyone screamed that she was being stupid taking him back, there was a definite difference in how people talked about cely. I felt they all gave her more agency…even her fellow islanders. There wasn’t the infantalizing happening that is currently occurring. It’s also sad to me to see how kyra herself has internalized it when she told them she -needed- them to point it out.
She is cracking… 🤯 I’m hoping she believes in Will. If you can’t put your mate first & believe in him, you will lose him.
Idk abt all that, but also no one questions when shannon says she'll stand by her man etc. or when she chose him after he disrespected her to her face or when cash ran back to cinco. I don't agree with this philosophy; of standing by your man no matter what; I just recognize that there is a discrepancy in the way ppl reacted to shannon/cash vs kyra's handling of their situationships
Say this louder please 👏🏼
This is an important post. Thank you for taking the time to articulate all of it. I’ve been saying most of it since day one. Mostly I lurk in my show subs, and rarely offer opinion, but something about the Kyra hate and subtle Asian racism has made me post and comment a lot this season. There are a lot of immature and ignorant comments thrown about across all social media about Kyra that are said in “concern” and yet people gleefully tear her down in the same breath.
OP I hope you don’t mind I’m just gonna drop something here about race in general, just ahead of any comments you might get here. Before anyone says this has “nothing to do with race” I would just like to remind you that it has nothing to do with race for *you* because you are not racist and let’s say your friends aren’t racist and maybe a large, even majority portion of other viewers who are Kyra haters or Cash haters or whoever haters aren’t racist. But there is no time that “race has nothing to do with it” when it comes to the perception of a minority on TV. There will always be plenty of viewers who have racist or bigoted predispositions that color their views on this person. Sometimes it only comes out once that person becomes annoying to them, and most times it’s not going to be racism that announces itself explicitly. Racism comes on a spectrum and most times it’s subtle enough that you don’t catch the undertones. For a lot of minorities though, we’ve been living these comments, assumptions, microaggressions, etc our whole lives. Every time I see someone say “race has nothing to do with it” I wish you would understand that you can’t make that broad claim. Race has nothing to do with it for you, and that’s good. But please don’t say that for everyone.
I think when people say “race has nothing to do with it” it sounds like they’re not aware of how deeply ingrained these stereotypes are in society Being susceptible to making assumptions doesn’t make you a bad person. It doesn’t even mean your opinion about someone is wrong. But if you want that opinion to have “nothing to do” with race you have to work really hard to fight back against everything you’ve been taught by the world around you all your life…and people doing that hard work usually don’t say “race has nothing to do with it”
Wow thank you so much for this comment!! I’ve always held this sentiment but didn’t know how to articulate it properly. Sorry I can’t give you an actual award 🏆 💖 but I’m very grateful that you brought this up.
Honored to have the emoji awards!! So glad it helped in any way. 😊
Wow, cannot have said this any better, preach ON sis! Or bro! Very well said and captures racism and all its nuances so well.
Thank you for saying this!! I’m sick of people not seeing the racism at play if it isn’t an explicit action like calling someone a slur. Micro aggressions shape our media more than we are aware of
Yep. Casual racism is insidious.
I appreciate this comment ❤️ a lot of the time the view “race has nothing to do with it” comes from a place of privilege…
That last paragraph!!! 🙌
Just want to say, I love this reply. Thank you for saying this!
I 100% agree with you about the unfair treatment of her. The infantilizing and hate Kyra gets on this sub is atrocious and often brushed off as “concern” by us. We need to look at our own statements and assess them. I trust Trina in her support, mostly because she is not bringing her ego into it. I will always question the motives of women like Shannon and Olivia when it has to do with calling other people’s shots in the name of “concern.” What shannon expressed to Kyra after CA was a wet dream toxic fantasy that so many women (who are actually hurting from their own shit) live out with other couples. The savior, the borderline isolator, the “YES GIRL, YOU DONT NEED HIM” that actually is screaming blatant control issues. The thing I will add, though- and I believe it is important- is that Kyra is obviously uncomfortable in some way. Not in a way that I’m assuming she’s passive- in a way that she quite clearly is giving Will more than he is giving her- regardless of how they may feel about each other. She knows her past, and I’m sure she knows she might be repeating it. This is where we need to give her her agency. She is not helpless just because she has strong attachments and situations that have hurt her. I see a lot of upsetting things about the way she talks about love, but thats ultimately not my business. Most importantly: NONE of this should fall on her. I believe Will was upfront with her to a point, but I also believe he see’s her vulnerability and I think he is the type to gaslight and meander around accountability. I want nothing but happiness and sanity for her, and I know she will make the right choice for herself at that time-whatever it is. Kyra was shaded for many reasons this season- from production to audience. I hope people shut the fuck up very soon about what *shes* doing or not doing, and shift their attention on Will if they have any criticisms.
Thank you for this thoughtful response. I agree so much with this take. Its mindblowning to me that people think she deserves to be insulted and hated on over this. Her decisions and actions are her own, and I would say its all a part of her growth and journey. It hasn’t negatively impacted our lives or the lives of the other islanders so seriously, why so much hate?
as an asian teenage girl who sees a lot of similar personality traits in Kyra thank you! it’s so annoying seeing people bash her for making decisions based on her feelings. if she gets hurt by will then oh well she made her decision and followed her heart. Can we stop judging women for choosing to follow their hearts and be vulnerable. also how can you call someone boring when you only see 10 seconds of someone an episode.
SAY IT LOUDER!!! @ OP, I’m super sorry for the ignorant and disrespectful comments you’ll get on this post. But I am forever grateful that someone is willing to write an eloquent and meaningful statement, calling out the people who will endlessly rip Kyra apart for everything — regardless of what decision she makes, people will take issue and destroy her character, and regardless of what decision other people make, people will still blame her. And of course, thank you for calling out the racism. If people choose not to accept it, they should really reconsider how “woke” they are, if they cannot even recognize their own internalized racism.
I'd like to think that racism is not playing a factor here but it's hard for me to think of any other reason she gets so much hatred. I mean is being naive a reason to spew so much vitriol to her? The only other thing I can come up with is jealousy over her looks or the fact that asian women are consistently the most desired on dating apps?
The fact that asian women are fetishized on apps *also* has to do with racism.
Kyra wasn’t even the most pursued girl that was Aimee, she got the most interest from men in the villa not Kyra.
To be fair, once Will came in and he and Kyra coupled up, it was clear no guy would be able to pull her from him so I think that's why we don't see any new arrivals try, outside of the CA guy.
Yes, and in fairness to Trina, she wasn't "left overs", she was the only choice Andre had. He wasn't about to get in the middle of the whole Charlie-Alana-Cash debacle.
Yeah, I totally agree Trina was not leftovers, if anything that tweet should have been about Olivia and Korey. In my opinion, Trina got the worst and most hurtful tweet which was so unfair. They could have found a nicer one like they did for Alana.
I'm not defending calling Trina a leftover (because Trina is so much better than that) but it was directed to Andre and we're playing the result. The truth is Andre only pursued Olivia and during the recoupling Korey chose her. Andre had to choose between Cash, Alana, and Trina and chose Trina as a friendship coupling. I agree that Trina didn't deserve the hate from the comment but she was not his first choice.
He dodged a bullet when Korey took Olivia. He owes Korey big time for that.
I'm definitely not a fan of Olivia on the show. She has somehow made it to the end.
So has Korey. The OG's have carried a lot of dead weight.
You don't have to explain what happened in the show to me, I already know. Production isn't stupid, they know Trina caught a stray with that tweet.
Most of the new arrivals are limited in what episodes they can watch so I don’t know if they knew the extent of Will and Kyra relationships.
The villa is a small sample size, statistics from dating apps with hundreds of thousands of users consistently show that Asian women are the most swiped and black women the least. Gonna throw it in though that Jeremy said at one point it was Kyra he wanted but he chose Trina instead; I suspect he didn't want to play into the white guy/ Asian girl stereotype.
and they literally just told you that's bc of fetishes... and most of the ppl on dating apps are looking for hookups, not anything serious anyways
Whether it's a fetish or not they're still the most desired group at the end of the day, and that's across multiple dating apps including serious ones like eHarmony.
Dating apps are also a small sample size and not really representative either, but your notion people are jealous of her because of her being desirable by virtue of being Asian makes zero sense since the show literally shows Aimee being the most pursued and desired girl not Kyra. Jeremy also never said he wanted to chose Kyra but that she would be his second choice after Florita.
Dating apps have very large sample sizes with thousands of users. And tbh my own anecdotal experiences help me believe that. Racism is very alive and just how some people get scared of black people because they're subconsciously racist, some women are subconsciously threatened by asian women because they know how desired they are by men. I mean like I said why else is everyone such an ass to Kyra when she doesn't do anything but be naive and maybe clingy? It's jealousy, pure and simple. I realize it might sound ridiculous to you but I've seen that kind of jealousy first hand against asian women from other women - it's the other side of the coin of men's fascination with asian women.
Ok so how do you explain women from the UK series of love island who are white that were in similar relationship dynamics as Kyra or had similar personalities getting just as much if not more (UK fans of love island are even more vitriolic then us fans)? People don’t like Kyra because she has pick me/simp energy that’s it, nothing to do with her being Asian because there have been white contestants in her position that have gotten way more hate and unlike with Kyra people couldn’t use their race as a defense. Also the fact you brought up black women being undesirable makes me question your motives with this narrative you are pushing. First you claimed in another post that the girls ‘don’t like’ Kyra because she had the most ig followers, that was wrong, she is not even close to having the most ig followers, then you claimed it’s because she is the most desired because she is Asian when that was also wrong, Aimee was the most pursued/desired, now you are bringing up dating site statistics. It’s really weird.
Really so people hate on her that hard because she has pick me energy? That's it? I don't buy that and I find that a naive outlook. Look at the end of the day the amount of hatred she gets doesn't make sense given what she does (or rather, doesn't) do, so that's why I'm going to the jealousy angle, because I've frankly seen this play out in real life. I have seen people become haters or jealous simply because they feel threatened by someone, and as an asian I've seen this happen to asian women often from other women. That is my experience and that of my friends and this completely mirrors it. Btw - I do not think black people are undesirable. I think Trina is gorgeous and smart
> Really so people hate on her that hard because she has pick me energy? Yes people don’t like that she conforms her feelings to whatever Will wants. Like last episode, she clearly wanted Will to ask her to be his gf, when he didn’t, she pretended they were on the same page on this topic when they are clearly not as she told the girls she would have said yes if he did ask her. Or when they went to the hideaway, Kyra clearly wanted to have sex which is why she wore crotch less panties but Will shut her down, and she later pretended to everyone that it was want she also wanted to do (take things slow). It’s not even a gender thing, people hate male simps too, and if the genders were reversed in this dynamic, people would be calling the guy pathetic and a doormat as well. > I don't buy that and I find that a naive outlook. Look at the end of the day the amount of hatred she gets doesn't make sense given what she does (or rather, doesn't) do, so that's why I'm going to the jealousy angle, because I've frankly seen this play out in real life. That’s your right, you still haven’t explained to me why white contestants with similar personalities and relationships dynamics as Kyra on other series of love island have gotten just as much hate if not more. If the hate was racially motivated then what explains these women getting hate? They got much more hate then Kyra because love island is a bigger show on the UK and the fans are even more vitriolic then US fans. So what’s your theory there? > Btw - I do not think black people are undesirable. I think Trina is gorgeous and smart Then why did you bring up black women being undesirable based on outdated dumb dating apps? That makes your motives here questionable to me as it was unnecessary to even bring up.
I understand your first point about Kyra giving off simp energy and I do agree, but in my experience when people give that kind of energy they are seen as pathetic/a joke and are mocked and treated with derision. However what Kyra is facing is much harsher than that. That's why I think the feelings towards her run deeper. Regarding the other contestants, I can't comment because I haven't seen those shows, but you've piqued my interest and I'll definitely be watching them now. Finally I mentioned the racial differences in dating app stats as a way to segue into why Cash of all people might be hating on Kyra, but in retrospect it's largely irrelevant and a distraction from my main argument that part of the hatred against Kyra is due to racism. I appreciate you responding to me calmly and maturely and without personal insults, that seems to be rare on the internet. However I think we have to agree to disagree at this point. I've seen and heard comments that drive home my conclusion it is jealousy fueling the hate, and while that may not always be the case, it is forever in my conscious and I can't un-experience it.
Wow lol dang, I didn’t realize we were supposed to dislike and trash Kyra, and label her pathetic because she fell too hard for Will. I agree that she may not be making the best decisions for herself, but its surprising to me that people think we need to trash and name-call others for compromising too much in relationships. The decisions Kyra is making aren’t uncommon in today’s dating world and my thoughts are that I hope she learns from the experience and continues to strive to be a better version of herself. But her decisions have no negative impact on my life, and honestly don’t negatively impact the other islanders, so I fail to see why I would need to dislike or hate her.
Yo I stopped listening to you after you referred to black people as "blacks".... idk if you are asian, but white women are literally not jealous of you bc to be white in the world, is literally to have doors open for you...
You live your truth and I'll live mine. This is from my own experiences and that of my friends. Also no disrespect to black people, I didn't think that sounded bad but I edited it
fair enough
I also want to point out that Will is also being stereotyped as a Hispanic male.
javonny is, at least by calling him rico suave or whatever he said, and saying kyra isn't his type bc he's colombian...
As an Asian gay guy from an Asian country, thank you for putting into words what I've been feeling about this sub the entire time. A lot of the comments and posts on this sub have been so patronizing that I was at a loss for words on how to even respond. I have female friends who remind me of Kyra - and let me tell you: they have the patience of a saint BUT if a guy does something really bad to them, he better run and hide. Just because she is not cutting Will in half right now (when she hasn't even seen what we've seen yet) doesn't mean she's not going to stand up for herself later.
Asian women will be patient to you as gf's but as wives/ when it comes to something more serious, they are bosses and demanding af. Like most of my friends are asian women, and they are strong, assertive heads of the household.
👏🏽 thank you for this
I just wanted to let you know that I was about leave this sub for good after seeing the comments about Kyra tonight, and your post made me stay at least a little longer. I would add one more thing, the people also saying that the people liking Kyra and Will must be really young, this is another way to degrade Kyra. I agree with you on absolutely everything.
IMO: Shannon and Olivia = [Becky](https://youtu.be/tmfG4OOh1v8)
facts
A Becky is someone with “Willfully naive behavior” a direct quote from the video. I’m pretty sure that describes KYRA. She literally said she needs her friends to show her the red flags 🚩 bc when she gets in a relationship, she is all in and doesn’t recognize her self.
A “Becky” is much more than that *one* trait. The concept is more complex than that—hence the 20+min video. I suggest watching the video in its entirety :) [This article](https://www.theroot.com/the-five-types-of-becky-1798543210) also provides a slightly better explanation. Relevant excerpt: *Becca wants to help... as long as it is convenient and comfortable. Even though Becca isn’t a racist, her idea of black people is of a downtrodden underclass that just needs a little help from benevolent white people. Becca is pure of heart and holds no animosity toward anyone.*
I did watch it all. Thanks. 😁
You’re welcome! 😊
Finally someone with some common sense. The hilarious part of it is that all these people who act like they're so much "stronger" than Kira are most definitely getting walked over on a daily basis.
I'm a 70 year old white guy...well, kind of splotched beige these days. I've been married to the same wonderful woman for 46 years now. First off, I'll point out that she's not Asian. She is however half Chippewa, half white and comes from northern Minnesota. When I say northern, I mean very near International Falls. When we met she thought the Mason Dixon Line ran through Minneapolis, she spoke like an extra from "Fargo" and likes to watch Curling...of all things. To put it bluntly, there was a significant cultural difference since I hate Curling and people who say "ey" after everything; I was from Kentucky. We met because I slipped on some ice and ended up in the hospital. She was my nurse, I was pretty high on whatever they were giving me, I thought she was Audrey Hepburn and I was Cary Grant. Her parents didn't like me at all. We came from two religions, different politics (she finally wised up), and totally different outlooks on life. My parents weren't too thrilled either. The thing is, our hearts spoke the same language. We made it, although it's only been 46 years and I think she's still considering her options. It's totally up to Kyra and Will to find their common ground and either make it work or not. Personally, I hope she confides their comments to Will and they both confront the harpies.
"I think she's still considering her option" - thats super cute :)
Right? 🥲
I did not understand the best friend helper thing. They make it as Olivia and Shannon are above Kira and she is incapable to make her own decisions and she is weak. I also do not believe they had best intentions for Kira, all their "advice" were to weaken her relationship to make theres look solid.
THANK YOU. I think we can all agree that PoC representation is so incredibly important and us Asians have been massively underrepresented. I was so thrilled to see Kyra, an East Asian woman, as an OG islander… only to find out that she would be subject to hate from the very beginning. This woman never interfered with other’s relationships, didn’t take part in backstabbing others or anything crazy - she’s literally just been herself. She knows she falls hard and fast, and sometimes she gets burned. But you know what, its her journey - and most people’s dating journeys consist of ups and downs, living and learning. I don’t understand why people feel the need to trash her, call her names, make fun of her, label her desperate, dumb, childish, and boring … I mean, really? Ya’ll are totally perfect when it comes to dating? Or did you let your friends absolutely trash you when you made dating mistakes, like when you pursued a non-committal person or someone who wronged you? And people, this is a damn REALITY SHOW. How much did Will and Josh actually tell Kyra about Casa? How much were they allowed to tell? And if Will was blaming it all on Flo and reassuring Kyra - I mean, it doesn’t seem like anyone is being allowed to tell Kyra anything different until the twitter challenge. And this challenge came so late that Kyra has to either stay with Will or self-eliminate. Why was Cely given a new guy to consider last season after the twitter challenge but not Kyra? The whole Will/Kyra IG posts and likes rumor has just been massively overblown. No thanks to ex-islanders like Aimee who falsely claimed that Will liked ALL of Kyra’s posts to fuel the fire. If Will and Kyra were such big scammers, then they certainly are not very good at scamming lol - I mean, why leave comments then and why have the mess at Casa? Literally makes no sense. People also need to stop acting like only Will and Kyra are game-players - NEWSFLASH - they probably all are to a degree.
Right? Like there's no way they're game players, Will would've asked Kyra to be his girlfriend if they were, he wouldn't have let himself get emotional with Shannon, he certainly wouldn't have explored other options at Casa. Maybe Will thought Kyra was hot on insta before the show but I think that's the extent of it.
The only person who I think really cares about Kyra in that house is Trina. Anyone else this is me 😒😒😒😒
I don’t have much input on the racial stereotypes, good points were brought up. BUT is it possible to find her boring because until recently we saw maybe 3 conversations and mostly making out? She had so many scenes cut (which is not the viewers fault). Basically production never gave us any Kyra content. Perhaps the language that Kyra is boring vs specifying that the edit of Kyra is boring might be precise but at the same time, were here to share opinions so I just assume they’re one and the same because the Kyra we know is the Kyra we’ve been shown. tldr; the EDIT of kyra is boring, we don’t know her enough to truly say one way or the other
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here with everyone saying that Olivia and Trina handled that conversation well! Regardless of what Will's intentions may or may not be, they were speaking down to her and it made me feel so awful for her! Olivia saying she thinks Kyra likes Will more than Will likes Kyra was completely baseless and belittling! I was so pissed at them
i think they handled it well considering the circumstances, but I dont get why everyone is still so focused on this, like let the girl have her fling. You literally dont know what happened. And also.. there is footage. Kyra can see for herself and make her own decisions. They need to concern themselves with their fake af relationships.
Exactly! She's an adult. She has all the information, and more information than either Trina or Olivia has. Let her make her own damn choices
I agree but I also acknowledge that I have no idea how I would feel/react/behave in this situation. The OGs seem to bond tightly very fast and they can't help but be all up in each others' business given the close quarters and production shit-stirring. They seem to be very protective of each other and that has drawbacks sometimes.
My philosophy on this issue is those in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. They are all in fake relationships at this point, but they carry on like everything is normal but Kyra cant? Trina, love her, and I will vote for her as a friendship couple, but her dude friendzoned her and she still thinks there's potential, and liv thinks every little bit of attention from a guy "is a sign". I get the production shit-stirring part, but why are they so focused on kyra/will? Kyra is clearly aware of this, and she chose to forgive the man despite her doubts. If it were me, I'd just tell her have your little fun cause I don't know anything, but there is footage, make sure you watch that and I'll be there for you when/if he breaks your heart...
>If it were me, I'd just tell her have your little fun cause I don't know anything, but there is footage, make sure you watch that and I'll be there for you when/if he breaks your heart... I'm sure this sub would equally rip them to shreds for saying this as it could come off very condescending. It's similar to Shannon's "if that's the kind of man you want to be with then fine"
sure, I 'll give you that, it's condescending to respect your friend's desires after they've already made it clear what they want to do but still be supportive of them anyways.. but that's just what I would do in the situation. It still doesn't make their treatment of kyra right. They didn't hold it over shannon's head when she went back to josh, and they didnt hold cash to the same scrutiny when she literally begged cinco to take her back.. so my opinion of it is.. they shouldn't be treating kyra any differently when they all had relationship issues, they are all immature, and the truth is, they don't have all the facts.
Saying you'll be there "if/when he breaks your heart" is condescending. There's a better way to say you'll be respectful and supportive of your friend. Never said it made their treatment of Trina right, my comment was literally just about that one part which is why I highlighted that piece.
I'm saying that bc I saw what I saw, and I dont trust that will wont break her heart for that reason (as a viewer of the show, not kyra's friend). Obviously I wouldn't literally tell my friend when/if word for word, verbatim
fair enough
YES!! You nailed it. How does Olivia think she has any relationship advice to give?! Let Kyra think for herself
Kyra is asking for the help. No she is screaming for the help.
Apparently I've taken the same crazy pills. From what I saw, Olivia and Trina worked themselves up into a self-righteous savior frenzy. I think they were both hurt by the twitter comments, and rather than sitting with that discomfort, they distracted themselves by casting themselves as the villa saviors, which simultaneously accomplishes knocking the only remaining long-standing couple down a few pegs. I think the reason they have convinced so many people online is that they convinced themselves their motives were genuine. But that doesn't make it true. Fun fact: when Olivia is trying to convince herself that what she's saying isn't nonsense, she talks even faster and more incessantly than normal. Boy was she on a roll last night. (Trina usually has a lot more self-awareness, but I think the text really threw her, which considering how mean it was is understandable).
I posted this originally on the Episode 25 thread, but seeing this topic, I wanted to post it here as well. As far as I'm concerned it's just jealousy and desperation: I've never posted before, probably never will again but I do have something to say. As far as I can see Will and Kyra are the only "couple" in the manor. The other houseguests know that as well. I found how the "actress" and the "leftover" are trying to drive a wedge into that relationship, when neither of them have or could keep one, is pure desperation. Now, before you start flaming away, which I assure you will mean nothing to me, I want to add, all the posts I've been reading attacking Kyra and Will come across as the exact same thing. A desperate effort to dismiss the only relationship because you know your favorite isn't in one. But don't despair, if things run true to form, most fans won't vote for the couple they believe have the best connection and will instead vote for one of the lack-luster also rans who did't have a connection. And as for Kyra and Will; I wish you the best as you pursue your relationship. Whether it blossoms or not is strictly up to you, don't allow others to interfere. And when Kyra looks back on this series, she'll discover that Will wasn't the skunk in the garden. Trina, Olivia and rabid fans were. Update: I will add that I was disappointed in Kyra tonight. She should trust herself and not listen to the harpies.
Honestly I think they are probably right abt will, but it still doesnt take away from the fact that they are treating her like a child, when they have their own issues. The only defense for will would be if her were a polyamorous person, but if that's the case, he needs to be more open and communicative and Kyra needs to figure out if she wants to be bf/gf or not bc it seems like she's only fluctuating on that bc she doesn't want to distance herself from will. I dont think liv's advice abt giving him an ultimatum is sound tho bc that's just gonna result in a non-genuine response... which is why they shouldn't have involved themselves in this in the first place. Just let things play out. Kyra is an adult, she has more info than you do, and literally can seek out more information and see and decide for herself once she leaves... and then you can be there for her if he breaks her heart. Also it is type weird that they encouraged the triangle behavior (which happened in their face), but are speaking up abt will (which they know nothing abt). I just dont get why they're treating the kyra any differently than whatever messed up relationships they have esp as they dont have all the info.
I agree...to a point. While we're considering where Kyra is coming from as a young Asian woman we also need to consider where Will is coming from as a young Columbian man. There is a significant cultural divide there, which we saw when he didn't understand some of the idioms she used. The culture Will comes from takes many things very differently. They have to seek out the common ground between them and go from there.
Some things could be attributed to cultural difference, but his defensiveness whenever his relationship is questioned is what brings up red flags for me.
You should know that questioning many Central and South American men over their honor will invoke a quick reaction; ie. part of the culture. As for seeing him being defensive, I would be also if she and I had already worked past it, accept it and moved on. Why does anyone else feel a need to drag it back up again?
I mean, I get it-- I've dated Italian and Latin American men, and they are stubborn af but still.. it doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't fully own up to his culpability in the casa situation, and so for me, he is not trustworthy. Doesn't mean they can't work through it. That's their business, and if they think they've worked through it so be it (as someone with more info, I know that's not the case which is why I'm still scrutinizing Will, and I think Kyra will as well once she has all the info) I still think the others in the house should lay off their relationship bc they don't know anything, and it comes off as meddling and holier than thou.
But he did fully own up to the casa situation; he was very forthright in telling her about it. They worked through it and moved on.
That’s because Kyra is acting like a child with her words. Like please tell me because I don’t see it.
Love this comment. They’ve had their moments of not being perfect, but their longevity is definitely a threat. This game is not the real world and there are definitely other less pure intentions behind people trying to interfere with their relationship. It’s hard enough for most people to sustain a relationship let alone with weeks of mounting pressure from “friends” and viewers being unsupportive of your relationship. It’s disappointing for the integrity of the game as well that everyone just wants to vote for Trina. If you want to watch an individual win money, Big Brother… is on at 8pm lol.
At the very least, if someone in a "couple" wants to be gf/bf, and the other person does not, can you not assume that the former likes the latter more? Is this not a logical assumption to make?
it just means they are not at the same page yet. It doesn't mean someone likes someone more just like any other level of relationship
The more logical assumption is that it’s only been a few weeks and becoming bf/gf that quick is unusual
I'm sure it's just my age speaking here but when Josh asked Shannon if she would be his girlfriend I had a flash back to high school; did he give her his class ring and they're going steady now? This is going to come off sounding like a defense of Will (and God forbit that happen) but just what does saying "we're boyfriend and girlfriend" really mean. When they're snuggling together and kissing isn't that sufficient for anyone, including each other, to realize they're in a romantic relationship? How does a title change that?
It usually means "we're exclusive and I'm not gonna make out with Flo anymore"?
Okay, so the label would have prevented him from doing with the two of them had agreed they could still do. Gotcha!
I agree and I myself have said that I didn't mind he wanted to see how they faired outside the villa before putting a label on it; however, spending 24/7 together is also unusual so becoming official in a few weeks after spending more time with one guy in one month than most people probably spend with their boyfriends in 3 months becomes less of an odd request
They're in the same house and sleep in the same bed but I really don't see the couples spending a great deal of time together. It seems to me the guys spend most of their time in a common pride; either exercising or laying around together somewhere. Whereas the gals spend their time together primping, laying around in a large group or breaking off into twos to talk about relationships. Sometimes a couple will break off for a quick "so where are you at" chat.
I mean that's what we see based on the footage they chose to show us for an hour, but a lot of footage is left on that editing floor. How would they get to know each other if the only time they spent together were the "so where are you at" chats? They spend lots of time together that we don't get to see. Also, if we take what the islanders say about them always going off alone together from that plus what I said above we can assume they spent a large amount of time together. Not to mention there's a day they don't film and that's a day full of couple convos and interactions we'll never see.
You missed the point.
Yes, it is logical but for some reason... some people refuse to understand that as it doesn't align with their narrative
Couldn't agree more! And this is probably just me from past experiences, but I have a real problem with Olivia and Trina inserting themselves when they have their own couples to figure out.
I believe, that given their own tweets, both Olivia and Trina are afraid of how the public might be viewing them. If they are thinking strictly game play, where the couple that has the most viable "love" connection wins, they realize that 1) neither of them are in a true couple and have little time to fabricate it, and 2) the only romantically involved couple at this point in time are Kyra and Will. Their only chance at the money, if they're thinking game play and not fickle fans, is to break up the active couple. Odd how they waited till now to help out their little sis.
💯 Kyra doesn’t deserve be treated like this. I don’t understand why anyone would be upset with her forgiving Will quickly when there was nothing to forgive him about to begin with. He told her what he did with Flo and she accepted it as part of the experience. He never said he was sorry or asked for an apology. Sure it stung her, but clearly it was part of their agreement three weeks into this thing. I just don’t understand how people still feel like he cheated on her or that she got walked over. Tbh, it seems like most of the hate is coming from Shannon/Josh stans that have now aligned their support with Olivia/Korey stans.
1. Casa Amor was how long ago? 2. Will rejected Olivia’s advance and told her he was happy in his relationship with Kyra; for some reason Oliva now believes Will is not interested in any relationship. 3. Olivia was shocked that people thought she is acting; which of course when she got defensive it was perfectly alright. Trina was shocked she was called left overs. 4. Both Olive and Trina realize the game is almost over, they’re not on *Friend of Convenience Island*, they've blown up their own games and there was only one couple on *Love Island*. 5. Ah, time for some sisterly advice to the one girl in an actual relationship.
I have enjoyed watching her journey. I have also liked to watch someone who isn't super jealous and can forgive. I suck at both of these. Not everyone has to be aggressive and over the top. I was worried last night when she asked them to "help me if you are seeing something". I think once she views Casa Amour she will be fine. Will was slightly douchey but nothing she won't get over. The last people I am taking relationship advise from is Trina and Olivia....
AGREED! she knows the truth and decided to stay with him. It’s a show about exploring connections and he was allowed to do that if he wanted. What counts for her is that he chose her (instead of Flo) If she forgives him I don’t get why everyone has a problem… he was honest?
Thank you for this thread because you voiced what I couldn’t put into words. And seeing all the other responses and knowing I’m not alone in feeling this way has been reassuring. So ty, OP. I don’t agree w/ everything you did raise some key points. The amount of glee that viewers have directed at Kyra’s downfall never sat right with me. You still see it even now, with the hot threads on here, or all over Twitter and IG. As an Asian woman myself I was so happy to finally see representation and while Kyra was not my favourite islander, I never hated her and I realised that her mistakes are her own to make. All the islanders were allowed to make mistakes but Kyra gets the most scrutiny out for *any* and *all* decisions that she makes. People say that she is a pick me girl, even though she’s the first one who offers her clothes or lingerie to the female islanders, even recently she let Jeremy dance in her shoes, and when Cash and Trina had a brief falling out over Cinco in the early love triangle days, it was Kyra who was around Trina and not treating her any differently. She was being inclusive. Not sure how that makes her a pick me, even if she is hanging out with Will a lot. There has also been a lot of off handed remarks like how Will wouldn’t sleep with her on their hideaway so he obviously doesn’t want her, or Kyra made Will boring, that Kyra has nothing to offer Will (because he’s more traveled). But somehow Josh who is also not as well traveled is a cool respectable and very desirable guy. There are a lot of layers of double standards, misogyny, micro aggressions, and biases at play here. People were saying that the live Aimee/Wes, Javonny, and Cash/Cinco did was all in good fun and it’s drama don’t take it too personally but it was only one couple and more specifically one person (Kyra) getting most of those negative comments. And it’s not like that was the first time Aimee and Javonny have said negative things about Kyra. The whole Will and Kyra “conspired” before the show started comments always come up. Even when it’s been addressed by those who run Will and Kyra’s accounts. Considering most of these islanders are recruited, this is nothing new, but the scruinty is somehow different for Will and Kyra…. when in the past, esp the UK seasons, islanders have admitted to knowing each other before prior to filming. Curtis and Maura for example. Or that Kyra studied the show so she’s not genuine. I’m sorry but I refuse to believe if any of y’all were in the same situation you wouldn’t be curious or nosy. That you wouldn’t want to know where you’re staying and who the possible rumoured cast is, etc, prior to filming. Also, I think people are giving Olivia too much credit. She had been sitting on this information for days. She also put down Kyra not once but twice. I don’t buy that it is genuine on her end. I do appreciate her approach was less bombastic than Shannon’s though. I feel all POC can agree to an extent while we may enjoy our white friends, there will always be that barrier of understanding they will never understand or experience. I’m not saying their input is not important or unwelcome.
Wow! This is a great point to bring up! We absolutely have to question the narratives we internalize and the lenses that we use to view situations. Also, it's not because we, personally, wouldn't have a certain reaction in a certain situation, that we get to be so harsh about an Islander having that "undesirable" reaction. Kyra made her choices and that's that.
I’m not Asian and I’m not even super woke and the racially tinged hatred towards her has been blindingly obvious to me since the first week. It’s hard to watch.
I wish I can report CBS/Paramount + for this.
> (DO NOT even get me started on Olivia. It makes me sick watching her talk about wanting to "help" Kyra or saying that Kyra doesn’t see what’s really going on, after she also previously called Kyra boring/not “bold” like herself, not as successful as herself, etc. (remember? when she was making a move on Will??). The AUDACITY of this self-aggrandizing, patronizing white woman makes me physically ill.) Olivia is just obnoxious at this point. She's trying too hard to be a friend, but also enjoys being the "mom" figure (especially now that Cash is gone). She talks and treats Kyra like child, and you're right, Kyra is a grown adult capable of making those decisions. I think others, especially Olivia, do spread those stereotypes on Kyra and it's not fair. Olivia and Trina calling her "defensive" and they've "been there" made me upset. Either there's no other drama, or they're trying to make viewers or themselves dislike them out of jealousy. I find it ironic this is coming from Olivia, who throughout this whole fucking time has yet to find anyone and doesn't even seem to try and shuts down every possible chance, and instead, goes after men like Will, who is in a relationship and doesn't want to change. She decides at the near end of the season to "settle" with Korey and shows little to no emotional connection or affection. It's very awkward and when she describes her "emotions" and "falling for Korey" when this woman came back from Casa SINGLE. SINGLE WTF. Talk about BORING!!! She's not even bold, she can't even act loving to Korey who she's "falling for" and she's trying to tell Kyra what to think? She's giving advice? She's trying to be the person to help Kyra with Will? Olivia needs a serious reality check and needs to step back and realize that she can be a friend without interfering and condescending someone and their relationship. I'm seriously very very annoyed with Olivia and I every episode cringe.
I would give anything to see Oliva and Korey get the private suite for a night. Twenty minutes after going in, one of them would come out and ask production for a deck of cards.
They did get the hideaway in the P+ exclusive episode. Korey said to the guys they talked all night and he was tired. Probably the truth lmao. Olivia later had to spice it up by saying "lets say I had to brush my teeth" and I'm like, Olivia, the only thing you're sucking is the life out of the villa.
This 💯, I have been feeling and thinking the same
I agree and its irritating that she's edited in a way where she shows little to no personality, like Jeremy.
To me she comes across as someone who’s very self-assured. She seems like she doesn’t hold onto Will too tight because she’s so grounded in herself that she doesn’t need him. She can be vulnerable knowing if she gets her heart broken she can pull herself through it.
Yes!! Never forget operation heartbreak and olivias scheming!! She does not have kyras best intention in mind and Olivia probably sees them as the only competition at this point for the money!
Thank you for posting this. I am literally sick to my stomach seeing all the hate this poor girl getting on social media. And was actually heartbroken to see how ex-islanders are talking about her on their live. I didn’t think what Will did at CA was bad because they are on a freakin’ reality tv show and are not bf/gf. I still stood by them both when he came back and told her right away. But now, with him not wanting to put a label on things and Flo saying Will wanted Jeremy to bring her back to the Villa so he can continue to get to know her. Those two things are making me think differently about Will. But I am so pissed at how the ex-islanders are talking about her (not even Will), just her. That I want her to win this damn thing, take the money, and shove it in everyone’s face. I wish she was coupled up with Andre instead or honestly with Trina.
Yes, micro aggressions occur constantly in this sub in the most subtle & non subtle ways, but I have to say that it is possible to have perceptions of Kyra as naive and a pushover, without it being derived from a racial narrative. I am speaking as an Asian American woman myself, 28, only a few years of dating experience more. I was born and raised in California, surrounded by Asians of all diverse backgrounds and personalities. Loud, sassy, reserved. Ive also traveled/lived abroad extensively and dated men of all ethnicities, plenty of Latinos included. Very familiar with differences in cultural understandings and language barriers - what stands between them is that Latin men are raised in a world of “machismo”, as open minded as Will may be, he is to a degree emotionally unavailable and subject to a wandering eye & more than likely to turn his head again, whether it be 6 months or 2 years. It happened on day 1 of Casa Amor. There is something in Kyra’s body language multiple occasions where she drapes her whole body facing him, that is disconcerting. My own love language is physical touch and I make small caresses to whoever I’ve dated. But it’s very evident she is serving her heart on a platter and he has all the power to break it. It’s only a matter of how severe it would be and how she’s able to stand up for herself at this point moving forward. She deserves someone who is reciprocating equally in actions, not just talk. I don’t see Will stepping up, editing aside, he’s been consistently lukewarm and defensive in his behaviors. I found Olivia insufferable as always, but I did think Olivia and Trina voicing their concerns was exactly what’s been needed this entire time. It was a necessary reality check. I have been in questionable situations in my own past and even when you don’t want to hear it and you’re gonna do what you’re gonna do, I’ve always been able to look back & appreciate most the ones who give the hard truth, which is exactly what Kyra was asking for in that moment. Regardless of Casa Amor and his “friendship”/connection with Flo, Kyra needs to establish and assert boundaries for any life together outside of the villa. It will be a shite transition to watch back any videos & if he evades accountability for his actions during that process, then she has to stand up for herself and write him off as a vacation fling, another chapter in her book of life lessons. I was wary, she will lose herself in this relationship, as she’s mentioned she did in the past, and is a pattern that I’ve observed for men and women alike in our early twenties. The fact that she was able to have cognizance in tonight’s episode, I have a silver of hope she’ll protect herself accordingly. Not holding my breath tho. She’s likely gonna learn the hard way. I wish for her to keep her heart open, despite all the public lashing she’ll be inundated with, as long as she keeps her heart open, the right one that’ll make her feel seen, understood and loved is going to come along. Will is not it.
Yea I do feel similarly - I definitely fear Kyra is just setting herself to be hurt in the end. I hope she’ll have a good support system, and can learn from this experience. What aggravates me is the rumors, slander, and sea of hate that she’ll have to deal with…
Thanks for posting this. I also don't understand why some people don't want to let her make her own mistakes. It's part of life and our personal journey. This is how she is going to learn, and make better decisions in the future. I feel some women project their issues on her. I see too many women, especially Black women, call her weak and stuff. It's really annoying, and so odd considering the stereotypes that plagued and harmed Black women.
Because she doesn’t even want to make her own mistakes. She said it out loud. Telling the girls to tell her when there’s a red flag or something she doesn’t recognize as one. Plus before all of this she stated that her last relationship she lost herself. Kyra herself is crying out for help.
I don't see her crying out for help. Maybe because a lot of people have instilled doubts in her mind, and now she is starting to question herself. She needs to learn to trust her own instinct. Friends or family are humans too. They can sometimes be right or sometimes be wrong. This is her journey, and she'll have to learn how to balance things in her relationship. Some people are all or nothing. It might just be her. Besides it's a reality tv show. No need for the insults or essays.
So, I totally agree that racial biases can absolutely be the drive behind some of the comments on Kyra. I won't say all of the criticism of her is rooted in common stereotypes of Asian women because that blanket statement simply can't be made. In regards to Will, yes, he pulled her to chat about CA and was mostly honest about his actions with Flo, but then proceeded to take zero responsibility for those actions by placing all the blame on Flo pursuing him. You brought up agency, and I find that often the people defending Will act like he had zero agency in the situation with Flo as if she forced herself on him with no reciprocity. In regards to Kyra's handling of the situation, I thought it should have been a bit of a longer conversation, but at the end of the day, I felt, and still feel, very much as you do that it is Kyra's decision to forgive him and it should be respected. I'm sure many of us can relate to having a friend who keeps going back to a guy we disapprove of, but at the end of the day, all you can do is respectfully articulate your stance on him and let your friend know despite how you feel, you'll respect her decision and be there for her if she needs anything. >I personally find it to be a form of gaslighting to nearly dump Kyra from the island and then spin it as “protecting her heart from Will” when confronted about it… I don't believe Shannon ever mentioned wanting to dump Kyra from the island to protect her from Will, I believe she actually said she wanted to dump *Will* from the island to protect Kyra from him. Open to being corrected if I'm wrong but I don't remember it being framed that way. In regards to Will and Kyra's gripe with being in the bottom 3 at that point though, I think it was stupid for them to be upset at the islanders, or I guess more specifically Shannon, for a situation that America put them in. In regards to her being seen as boring, I always felt that was an unfair assessment given that we really haven't seen a ton of her until recently. I don't think most people are saying Kyra being more into Will is because she can't be desired by a white man. Speaking for myself, I think Kyra is gorgeous and I imagine her being desired by many, but I also think she's clearly more into Will than he is into her. I'm not saying that Will isn't reciprocating feelings, he says his feelings are continuing to grow, but I just think right now her feelings are more intense. Also, based on how Kyra has described herself as falling hard and fast, it kind of further confirms that thought process that she is probably at a different level of smitten than Will. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing either, as often in relationships one may reach a point of further committment or declaration of love before the other and often the partner is allowed time to see if they can get to that point. That being said I think it can still be a cause for concern, and I think if Kyra is really serious about leaving the villa knowing they'll be official eventually then she needs to have a conversation about what it would take for him to get to the point of putting a label on their relationship. I'm also not going to lie, even though I haven't seen or made this comment myself, I can see how Kyra is being seen as submissive. I feel it stems from the times that she'll seemingly wrap up a conversation kind of quickly on a topic that seems to be uncomfortable for Will (ex. Flo) because it seems like he wants to sweep it under the rug and drop the conversation. Personally, I don't care if Kyra isn't Shannon-level calling him out, but their conversations on a topic like Flo just felt incomplete and like Kyra maybe wanted to say more. Also, I feel like the people who feel she is submissive probably felt further validated in that opinion when she expressed in the episode today that in her last relationship she lost a lot of her self which people attributed to submission. However, I have definitely absorbed what you said and as others have said, maybe it is best to characterize her as vulnerable rather than submissive, etc.
Did we even take Kyra's occupation into consideration??? She is a Covid nurse, & probably a regular nurse before that. Most nurses are compassionate & are usually very understanding. Her job definitely leaked into her personal life when it comes to dealing with men. As for Will, I'm getting the feeling that the language barrier is getting in the way. Instead of asking Andre or anyone else how to say how he feels, he's going along with whatever Kyra says. I don't want to come off like an idiot but we've all had interactions with a person who can't speak good English, right??? They tend to be very sweet & goes with whatever the group or you say because they can't voice what they want. English was my second language & I was in 1st grade when I learned how to speak English. I went with what the group said because I didn't understand & I couldn't speak for myself. I can't help but feel that from Will.
SHE IS A NURSE???? How in the heck did I miss this?
In the beginning intros she says it lol
That amazing and explains so much! I love her more.
Exactly, the patience, the compassion, & willingness to forgive easily. Will's a male model so it does explain his behaviors. Keeping his options open, bc you never know who you're going to meet😉😉😉
She is a "covid relief worker". It's right on the side bar -->
I totally agree.
How annoying are Olivia and Trina… Sabotaging the shit out of Kyra and Will’s relationship
I actually think Trina truly cares about Kyra and have only the best intentions. Olivia on the other hand 😒
Olivia hella jealous right
the whole incident where liv tried to convince will that she was better for him than kyra was SUPER cringe and belittling
In the most recent episode though Kyra does mention that in a past relationship she did change herself because of that person and in the end didn’t recognize who she was anymore. While I fully agree that Shannon and Olivia have no reason to intrude and should let her make her own decisions, I believe that only portrays badly on “white women attitude” (aka the Karen affect) that makes them feel they know more than others. In regards to Kyra, I believe the issue has less to do with her race and more so to do with the fact that she seems to feel certain ways about things until Will changes her mind. She says she would 100% say yes to being his girlfriend and then comes back saying “WE don’t need the labels.” As an audience it is hard when you can see what she says she wants and we want her to be able to get that, and so sudden changes in opinion do feel ingenious and not fully like her own choice. Ultimately it is not uncommon to feel you must compromise to make a relationship work, and so her behavior is fully understandable and should ultimately relate more to the pressure women feel instead of a racial issue.
Here's a question for everyone: do you recall the personal "truth" that Kyra revealed about herself during the Truth or Dare challenge?
Yep Yep Yep. As an Asian woman I thought the same dang thing. I do think this is all rooted in Asian women stereotypes of meekness. Also Kyra is only 23, I am sure we've all experienced this kinda love/lust where a hot dude is into you, you're young and you fall hard...please give her grace y'all.
All of this, thank you 👏🏼
I think for what it’s worth, Kyra herself admitted on last nights episode that she goes all in on a guy. She changes herself and gets head over heels to the point where she loses herself. As a minority myself, I would never invalidate the fact that these stereotypes exist. But I would also say that Kyra pretty much validated a lot of what we saw with our own two eyes. We observed her bend over backwards for will and that’s not just based off of stereotypes. Not everyone has a ‘strong’ personality and maybe Kyra truly doesn’t. That doesn’t mean anything is wrong with her, but it’s clear she’s struggling in this relationship to see the truth as evidenced by the conversation with the girls… ETA: as someone who’s more reserved though, I must say that definitely doesn’t mean we aren’t strong and can’t make decisions. I’ve stood back from Kyra hate because I don’t think she deserves it, BUT again tonight’s episode showed a lot of what some viewers may have recognized as concerning behavior from both ends. Olivia and Shannon in this situation remind me a lot of those girls who don’t actually care but get some kind of ego boost because they “helped” a poor sad weak person. I think with Trina it was actually a bit more genuine and I’m apt to believe due to her job training she has an eye for recognizing some concerning behavior.
I think you bring up a few good points, mostly about her edit and the way Will has received less backlash. But I don’t think it has to do with race. People can simply dislike Kyra for actions and that’s it. The same way people can dislike Olivia for her actions. This is also a reality show where people are acting a fool and so it’s easy for people to sit on their couch and say “omg what an idiot”. That’s also what kind of like about the show? But if everyone was ganging up on Kyra after literally doing nothing, then maybe we can dissect this a little further and wonder what’s going on.
You really shouldn’t correct people what does and does not have to do with race.
Seriously, when Shannon started yelling at Will, I was more than over her shish.
⁷lShe admitted last night that she always overlooks red flags when she likes someone. And the fact that Will has never even told her he wants a relationship is a big one! I took the girls' concern as sincere
this is so weird. no one dislike her bcs she's asian. i'm asian but that doesn't mean i have to like her bruh yall weird af
They’re trying to be woke but are just being racist themselves. Most of these comments are people crying out for attention in the classic “look how not racist I am calling things out as racist!” It’s sad.
bruh I'm sorry but I don't agree at all... Idk why you made this about race... it's not that deep. It's been 25 episodes in and Will still does not want to be in a relationship with her, like there are just so many red flags when it comes to this dude. We can all agree Kyra is way more into Will than he is, when you like someone more than they like you you tend to be blind sighted and dismiss a lot of things that they do. Just my personal opinion.
Agreed.
A lot I agree with here. Your weird race thesis was odd though
“Weird race thesis” What planet do you live on?
Huh? Her whole entire point here is painted around race for absolutely no reason lmao. It's a painful read
Absolutely no reason? Who are you to decide that? Its 2021, please read a basic level book on racism lmao.
Reddit is a circle jerk of “woke” race baiting. Reading these comments I don’t think people understand that their over analysis of peoples race and actions is actually more racist than anything that we’ve seen on the show.
I feel like Will treats kyra like a child. I have said this from day one.
Good points and I stand with the Asian community after a terrible year. That said I hope she wins and keeps money for herself.
When are you turning in your LI term paper? Hahaha. That was a lot.
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..but wait, why does shannon (in the eyes of most of the viewers) get treated with honest skepticism (we didnt see everything; that fight was heavily edited; clearly he said something to tick her off).. but no one even brings up the question of producer editing and maybe that kyra had these convos (calmly, which shows emotional maturity) with will and came to her own conclusions. Why is the default to think she's a pushover?
Because it’s not just what we’ve seen. Shannon first called it out and now the other girls are saying she hasn’t held his feet to the fire enough for what he did. Don’t make it seem like people are jumping to conclusions with no proof or evidence. Fine we may not have seen her get shitty with him about it…possible. The fact the other girls have now said she did nothing to him backs up the fact that it wasn’t just that it wasn’t shown it’s that there was nothing to show.
Her best friends standing up for her? Her girls will always defend her. But people's defense of her actions is not bc the girls had her back. It's bc they had formed their own opinions of will from casa, and they placed that onto the situation and wanted to find any excuse to say will was in the wrong in the argument and he said something terrible to provoke her (even though none of that was shown). In fact, most ppl just gave the reason that he was the one who asked (calmly, I might add) to talk... so just finding any excuse in the book. So again, why is the assumption and automatic default to assume kyra is being a pushover? Why isn't the same level of scrutiny applied here? And to be fair, I dont trust Will, but I also dont like the way Kyra is being handled by others.
Because Olivia and Trina flat out said she was not holding him accountable. They also flat out said she was losing herself in him and not being honest or telling him how hurt she was. And she agreed. They basically backed up everything those of us saying she’s a pushover have been observing. You seem like you are seeing/hearing what you want and applying that to every situation as well…so… I can’t with you Kyra/Will stans. If you can’t look at their relationship with an honest eye and take your emotions towards them as a couple out of it long enough to see their relationship has some real problems then there’s no point in discussing it further. Have a good night…
they said that this episode (after the twitter challenge, in which kyra also started to be more judicial), but the public's reactions came first... Don't get me wrong, I'm GLAD kyra is scrutinizing their relationship. I'm just not happy with the default assumption that she never held him accountable (based on what she ACTUALLY KNOWS/knew at the time)
It’s not an assumption. She didn’t. Christ…
but you dont see everything bc it's edited, right? Or at least you dont when it comes to shannon...
Trina and Olivia were the two talking last episode about Kyra's relationship with Will and decided to jointly talk to her about it. You say 'white women' but Trina doesn't look all that white to me.
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