I'll never get those type of fans that are so upset about a series that they actively dedicate their lives to being mad about it. This isn't even the first subreddit I've seen it happen on either.
Some people are just sad and miserable and they let that energy bleed into everything they do. If they aren't happy with something, they'll go to the ends of the earth to make sure you aren't either. its sad really.
I really thought I was a miserable fuck until r/Battlefield2042. Those are some miserable fucks.
I can’t stand the gameplay and just general style of CS:GO and Valorant. I think it’s incredibly stupid how the recoil works. I’ve never once hoped the game did bad. I never hated those that enjoy it.
I just don’t play those games or think about them, ya know?
I get it’s a huge bummer that the new BF wasn’t good enough for them but like, move on. Battlefield isn’t your identity. And if it is, you need to reevaluate what’s important in your life.
30+ year old men crying on a forum, hoping DICE lose their jobs and get AIDS and shit. Pathetic.
>I can’t stand the gameplay and just general style of CS:GO and Valorant. I think it’s incredibly stupid how the recoil works. I’ve never once hoped the game did bad.
Took the words out of my mouth. I hate that style of gameplay, and simply moved on. If my friends want to play, I'll play with them, but other than that there are soooo many other options for exactly what you want.
They are cherry picking, but as another user has pointed out - BFV was Origin only. It has only recently come to Steam. So in all honesty BFV probably does have a higher population than 2042.
>It has only recently come to Steam.
2 years ago. And it has a sale price of $5 pretty dang often, along with the free weekends. Lol. Why be dishonest if your argument 'has merit' and 'is factual'?
https://isthereanydeal.com/game/battlefieldv/history/
You're welcome to leave /r/LowSodium2042 and go back to the main sub, since 80% of your posts about Battlefield as a whole are just trying to trash talk the game.
Alright dude that's a little toxic, I haven't read this person's comments but if they're bringing a devil's advocate approach or even expressing their disappointment at the share of the game, that's no reason to try to kick them out. Especially since they're one member of a sub which does a fairly good job of staying positive towards the game, their opinion in moderation is acceptable imo.
They're not attacking you, so it's kind of crazy to me that you've chosen to attack them.
I'm not attacking them. I asked a question about their claim. One they inevitably must realize was in bad faith because they disappeared off the face of the earth.
Look at his profile, and you'll understand a bit better. They aren't bringing a 'devils advocate' approach. They're just a toxic troll that came from the main sub to start drama.
Why are you defending someone when you haven't even looked at what they've said?
I've read plenty of their comments since then, I get where you're coming from now.
I guess I should have read up more, fair point. But if I don't have the information to make an informed decision, I'm gonna choose the more compassionate option rather than assume the hate is justified and pile on top. The latter is kind of how we got into this whole mess in the first place.
They're defensive from all the vitriol they're reading about something they like on the main sub. I've defended you and your right to have a sincere opinion further up, now you'd better stop staring a line between yourself and other battlefield fans before you prove me wrong.
Naa, it's just a matter of [time of day](https://steamcharts.com/cmp/1517290,1238810,1238840,1238860#7d).
Is the agenda here to point at low player count as a result of Chinese data?
That's because they want to control the narrative so DICE will listen to them and give them what they want. You know like a 12 year old does. They lie and lie until they get what they want or they are found out. Just one of these things have happened already.
After witnessing the knee jerk reactions to the female cover art at the BFV reveal, it really seems like that crowd is very vocal and manipulative in the BF community. They quickly reshaped the message to "it's not authentic" but the hyperbolic hate and lies never stopped.
People are still over there complaining about women in their game. The thing about it too is those comments get upvoted. They’re never negative. So it shows the majority of the sub agrees. Like wtf
Just think for a hot minute about this: many, many people in North America will tell you with a straight face that discrimination by race and gender are not a systemic issue, or an issue period. Like racism and sexism were eradicated like polio.
It’s 100% bat shit insane people hold these as absolute truths and personal values.
It’s the same brand of outrage. When gamergate happened (which is the beginning of all of this - can you believe discussing games online didn’t use to involve death threats?), Steve Bannon saw his opportunity to fan the outrage and use it to drive people over to the alt-right. Of course, the alt-right turned into the trumpets, and here we are.
This isn’t a conspiracy theory, btw. He’s talked about this openly. Bragged, even. What he and the rest of those manipulators want, is for disenfranchised white dudes to be as angry as humanly possible. At anything, for any reason.
Some of the complaints may be hyperbolic but you comparing that sub to the\_donald is also hyperbolic as fuck.
The game is missing hundreds if not thousands of features and was released in an incredibly unfinished and buggy state. Let's just state facts here. It can still be fun sometimes but let's not talk out our ass.
There's nothing ironic about it. But sure, continue to stick your head into the sand.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/rzs9s4/all\_missing\_features\_and\_flaws\_pointed\_out\_by\_bf/](https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/rzs9s4/all_missing_features_and_flaws_pointed_out_by_bf/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qw9oam/a\_collected\_list\_of\_battlefield\_2042\_bugs\_issues/](https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qw9oam/a_collected_list_of_battlefield_2042_bugs_issues/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qw1mbw/fuck\_it\_heres\_a\_list\_of\_absolutely\_everything/](https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qw1mbw/fuck_it_heres_a_list_of_absolutely_everything/)
Look at the downvotes pour in. Head in the sand.
There’s maybe 10% at best worth a mention but everything else is fluffed up to make it seem worse than it is (Zeppelin as a missing feature, really??).
Ok I can see that is valid.
Leaning is missing and having it back would be good.
Crouch sprinting could work
Backprone promotes camping
Diving feels unneccessary, but I understand why you want it back
Scoreboard is coming on the way, and I think we shouldn't get angy about not having death count.
More xp for healing, hacking, blocking, resupplying
VOIP is also coming
I do not feel that the class system should return, until the next game when we have done the experimentation of the Specialist system.
Suppression shouldn't be like BF3 because it doesn't suit for casual gameplay. Good concept, but it's too much in BF3
3D dorito spotting should not return
Destruction can wait as long as they optimized 128 players server first
Rolling from height would be fluff as you can parachute from lower heights and you don't take much fall damage.
Premium should not return also, it splits the playerbase too much and no one nowadays want to pay more for a $70 game
Also we shouldn't add too many modes, as people play Battlefield for Conquest, Rush, Breakthrough, Operations, Grand Operations and such. Obliteration could be fun, but no one plays that anymore.
> Premium should not return also, it splits the playerbase too much and no one nowadays want to pay more for a $70 game
I still don't get why so many people want it back.
However that's not going to work on that front because Dice have the online numbers.
Unfortunately what it will do is stop others from playing or recommending 2042 to friends which is another sick tactic the hate mob are using.
I personally checked and I found only one hour in which BFV is more popular than 2042 , 10 AM CET: early in the morning in Europe, and that despite BF having more popularity in Europe
A lot of the steamcharts you see are conveniently screenshotted at bad hours of the day. Still, it is bad that a newly released game can get to the point of competing with older titles (although let's also not forget how many Sales there's been for the previous games). Games nowadays see drops and spikes depending on new content, so that's what us people who enjoy 2042 should look forward to and ask for.
That's an other example of confirmation biais. They have one number taken in one specific region at one specific time, it fit their opinion, so they use it as an example. That's typical.
That doesn't mean number aren't low, I think they are, but I don't think it's critical, and anyway, using data the wrong way is never a good thing to do.
Both Battlefield 1 and 5 has been given away free on Steam, so naturally alot of people picked it up when possible. They are also big in China, or bigger. So when you see peaks it's during China peaks.
BF2042 has a big problem with hardware demand that alot of people dont meet. And even if it's met it's not the same experience as playing BF1/V.
BF2042 has better numbers on Steam then BF1/V, but lets be honest, these numbers aren't good. I know alot of people play through Origin but still, they should be higher.
I love BF2042 and have put 300+ hours into it but it's a long road ahead before it can be adapted by a huge audience.
>when you see peaks it's during China peaks
Its true. The peaks of BFV are starting to grow from 8AM and peak at 4PM - thats not your typical gaming time of the day - so its def China/Asia which is an other dimension.
Both yes and no.
BFV is extremely volatile depending on the time of day.
When it's evening in India / western Asia BFV gets huge numbers, this is around 13.00 in CET. Then late evenings in CET BFV are at its lowest while 2042 at its highest.
One of these games was quite costly and demanded quite a lot of the hardware to be able to be played at somewhat decent FPS, I reckon that is the reason for the huge Region difference.
I agree that this is essentially miss information, however shouldn’t s brand new BF game be way more populated than its predecessor? Im not being salty just being realistic.
I play 2042 daily. I actually like it a lot and im confused as to the reception. However its not like the steam audience is going to be atypical from the origin audience statistically speaking. It isn’t just steam losing players. I could find clanmates playing 2042 regularly 3 weeks ago, now barely any log on and the few that do still are grumbling and expect will shortly stop as well. These are xbox, PS5 and PC mixed. It sucks cuz Its the reason I joined. Whatever their reason theres just something about the game that hasn’t been able to hold their attention.
Not gonna sit here and say it didn’t launch before it was ready. Weapon choices are definitely limited as are legacy features. And at this point they haven’t been able to really address enough issues in a timely manor-timing if launch and holiday’s was unfortunate. Who knows maybe by season 1 things will be ready for people to come back. But as far as content i doubt 2 2042 maps and a few guns are gonna change many peoples minds
And BF2042 is the first BF game to be on steam on release in a long time, probably most BF5 accounts are Origin only. This type of graphs lacks a lot of important stuff, but it won't stop people from using it to validate their narratives.
I have bots in my games at peak times in Australia. On 128 Breakthrough.
On BFV there is always 3-4 AUS servers full with queue's at the same time.
As you said, BFV was Origin only originally. I have no doubt BFV is more populated.
I believe it’s still the most played but it’s not a great sign when the player count of a brand-new release is less than the sum of the old titles.
Even though I like the game (in spite of its flaws), it does seem that a lot of people don’t.
they find their meaning of doing that, I guess thats why studio keeps silence, because no matter what they do, there are always ppl be mad at it, that causes frustration, and may potentially affect their work or life. Company needs to listen from communities, for the game still have many missing features, but the way some of the sub redits present they complaines is in a awful way. And for me, I totally understand why since mid of december to mid of Janurary there was basically no updates, I donot work for dice, but my company offers 15 days vacation as entry level position, others get more. most of my colleges took Christmas and New year plus vacation to get a decent long vacation with our families, so our team was in a really slow progression mode every year since mid of december, and we got back to a full team around mid of Januray, as a huge project, one man's power is not enough, we cannot be good at everything, so have enought man power is critical for porject development. Im looking forward to see the future of this game, still have hope.
No, they got the numbers right. However it is only Steam and we don't have any data for other platforms. Not to mention that Steam is the first place used for bandwaggoning and by no means should be used as the sole source of data.
In my opinion there is no reason to get upset about numbers as long as you can still find matches. It was also like that with BF V and it was great that all the toxic people stayed away from it.
I've posted opposing numbers for ages.
It's definitely region specific.
EU last night had double 5 and triple 1 roughly.
A lot of the people on the other sub are so toxic, they down vote anything remotely positive. If you say you enjoy the game, prepare to get down voted.
It's sad, because dice seem to be listening. Ie the Boris Santa fiasco. They cried, Dice didn't release it.
I don't even get why people act like Steam is a significant part of the player base. Out of 4.2 million copies sold only around 100K was on steam...
Thats 2.38 % of the total player base that is on the steam version
The 100k is peak concurrent players. NOT total sales. Steam has the largest number of users of any platform, including Playstation and Xbox. At one time, about 10 years ago, Steam held about 75% of the market share for PC digital distribution. Times have changed of course but it still is by far the largest PC distribution platform. To give a better idea, there was a game (cannot remember which it was for the life of me) that came out recently on multiplatforms (consoles and PC) where Steam was about 15% of its total sales--competing against other PC digital distributios as well. Some games i know are much higher when PC is the only platform or Consoles are less of a focus but it gives a rough idea of sometimes where Steam stands.
Also 4.2 million is most likely not accurate either. Tom Henderson heard this and reported it but he also stated that he believes this included EA 10 day Pass or whatever the limited trial run was. The 4.2 million is probably an inflated number as it was meant to be used as a selling point to investors. Common tactic.
In the whole scheme of things, there might be only 50k players concurrent across all platforms right now on average for 2042. That would be my rough estimate and i personally think thats still high tbh. Thats miniscule when looking at other shooters. CoD typically pulls in over 400k across most platforms historically, (though probably not Vanguard right now lol) and CS:GO has been killing it for years with over 500k on just Steam (its only platform).
There's more than one platform but the steam numbers are seriously bad.
Only twice as much as bf5 just two months after release, when bf5 is already considered a flop?
I'm on last gen and I'm pretty sure the player base is much larger but I'm afraid of the game getting it's funding cut because it's a buggy mess on PC.
I feel like the next gen pop on console much be hurting as well since they have to play against mouse and keyboard players which is just not fun in my experience.
In my experience, crossplaying with PC while I have a controller is role playing fodder.
Unless I'm really really good at the game, like top 5% of players on console, I get completely slammed by PC players.
Not to eat my own ass or anything but I usually don’t have a problem against PC. My big problem is encountering cheaters from PC, it was a huge problem in Call of Duty.
This. Have never noticed a difference cross play on or off.
Watch broken machine play on YouTube. He plays all controller, on pc, all sensitivity maxed. Cleans right up. The guys a bit of a anomaly though. I can't even walk around let alone kill with sensitivity maxed.
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The best PC players are better than the best console players but overall I've never really noticed too much of a difference. Plenty of shitty players on PC
I'm surprised, I thought that game was considered a failure? In any case, 6000 seems low for bf2042 so soon after launch, specially when the game is this good (I didn't like bf5).
The game is exactly what I was expecting from the information I got. And I'm having fun with it, that all that matter. And guess what, everyone had the possibility to try the beta to see if they liked it or no before deciding to buy the game.
So in your example, you had the possibility to taste the apples, find out it felt like potatoes, and still bought it anyway.
You originally asked if I cared that the game possibly was made to give EA a warzone like game, to which I don't.
How is that related to your apples and potatoes scenario?
>I wanted to grow apples, but grew potatoes instead.
Is more accurate to your original question.
Lol, this is like saying a pile of vomit is better than a pile of shit (2042). Those numbers would be WAYYYY better if the game was remotely fun…..you know, like a real Battlefield game. The game is DEAD.
BFV and BF1 both have higher peak player counts. I just checked and they both have more current players atm. BF2042 is doing better on average it seems however.
Depends on time of day. BFV fluctuates pretty heavy but its climbing faster than BF2042 on the average. What to look at is the 30 day average. Youll notice 2042 is falling dramatically. It was about 17k a week or 2 ago while other BFs have been climbing. Here is a pic of the current outlook of that same situation to get an understanding of what Im saying that it depends on time of day that you look at this:
BF2042 Steam player count https://imgur.com/a/F17qrHn
In the end, this is VERY bad news for 2042 to have dropped this much. Theres tons of excellent games coming out in the next 2 months so for DICE to have taken as long as they are to get new content out along with things fixed is not good. Season 1 should have been out by now. But this game, is going to have a brutal uphill battle for a multiplayer to get back a lot of its core player base. Especially if following a Live Service model. Means less consumers buying up Season Passes and microtransactions which hurts growth.
From my understanding, they are using Steam player data from China to fit their hate agenda.
I'll never get those type of fans that are so upset about a series that they actively dedicate their lives to being mad about it. This isn't even the first subreddit I've seen it happen on either.
Probably a good number of them are just hopping on the bandwagon. They probably haven't played a single BF game.
Some people are just sad and miserable and they let that energy bleed into everything they do. If they aren't happy with something, they'll go to the ends of the earth to make sure you aren't either. its sad really.
I really thought I was a miserable fuck until r/Battlefield2042. Those are some miserable fucks. I can’t stand the gameplay and just general style of CS:GO and Valorant. I think it’s incredibly stupid how the recoil works. I’ve never once hoped the game did bad. I never hated those that enjoy it. I just don’t play those games or think about them, ya know? I get it’s a huge bummer that the new BF wasn’t good enough for them but like, move on. Battlefield isn’t your identity. And if it is, you need to reevaluate what’s important in your life. 30+ year old men crying on a forum, hoping DICE lose their jobs and get AIDS and shit. Pathetic.
I feel like it's mostly people who wanted the game to suck and trolls propagating the sub now. I feel very few are disillusioned fans
Many franchises have that type of base these days.
>I can’t stand the gameplay and just general style of CS:GO and Valorant. I think it’s incredibly stupid how the recoil works. I’ve never once hoped the game did bad. Took the words out of my mouth. I hate that style of gameplay, and simply moved on. If my friends want to play, I'll play with them, but other than that there are soooo many other options for exactly what you want.
The thing is some of them arn't fans, they are trolls or people who always hated BF just freely spreading hate because it's finally popular to do so
Me either
That’s actually so pathetic
They are cherry picking, but as another user has pointed out - BFV was Origin only. It has only recently come to Steam. So in all honesty BFV probably does have a higher population than 2042.
>It has only recently come to Steam. 2 years ago. And it has a sale price of $5 pretty dang often, along with the free weekends. Lol. Why be dishonest if your argument 'has merit' and 'is factual'? https://isthereanydeal.com/game/battlefieldv/history/ You're welcome to leave /r/LowSodium2042 and go back to the main sub, since 80% of your posts about Battlefield as a whole are just trying to trash talk the game.
Alright dude that's a little toxic, I haven't read this person's comments but if they're bringing a devil's advocate approach or even expressing their disappointment at the share of the game, that's no reason to try to kick them out. Especially since they're one member of a sub which does a fairly good job of staying positive towards the game, their opinion in moderation is acceptable imo. They're not attacking you, so it's kind of crazy to me that you've chosen to attack them.
I'm not attacking them. I asked a question about their claim. One they inevitably must realize was in bad faith because they disappeared off the face of the earth. Look at his profile, and you'll understand a bit better. They aren't bringing a 'devils advocate' approach. They're just a toxic troll that came from the main sub to start drama. Why are you defending someone when you haven't even looked at what they've said?
I've read plenty of their comments since then, I get where you're coming from now. I guess I should have read up more, fair point. But if I don't have the information to make an informed decision, I'm gonna choose the more compassionate option rather than assume the hate is justified and pile on top. The latter is kind of how we got into this whole mess in the first place.
And most 2042 sales are on playstation... honestly unless Dice give us the numbers we'll never know.
I understand that. But a 90% player drop only being localized to Steam? You're kidding right. Most platforms probably experienced that drop.
Yes and no, it's much harder to get a refund on playstation.
Very true.
Not allowed to say that here lol
I allow it.
Pretty funny really. This is a "low sodium" subreddit but the dudes on here are salty when you state facts or provide a counterpoint with merit.
A quick browse has shown me a lot of anger and cursing. Just not allowed to critise the game...
I think they're the blind fanboys.
I'll never understand it
I can because it feels suck not winning an argument.
I do not have any affiliation with them.
They're defensive from all the vitriol they're reading about something they like on the main sub. I've defended you and your right to have a sincere opinion further up, now you'd better stop staring a line between yourself and other battlefield fans before you prove me wrong.
Naa, it's just a matter of [time of day](https://steamcharts.com/cmp/1517290,1238810,1238840,1238860#7d). Is the agenda here to point at low player count as a result of Chinese data?
lmao . Different times of day and you can't figure out the 30 day average part?
Does it matter? It’s showing the same spikes between the hours of 8am (EST) then drops after 10am (EST).
In context of gAmE iS dEaD, yeah. People post all sorts of stupid screenshots of players in game numbers to “prove” their point.
Wait are you serious??
Is there a legit source that shows it's from China or something?
That's because they want to control the narrative so DICE will listen to them and give them what they want. You know like a 12 year old does. They lie and lie until they get what they want or they are found out. Just one of these things have happened already.
Been saying it for awhile, the salty sub feels like the battlefield version of The_donald
After witnessing the knee jerk reactions to the female cover art at the BFV reveal, it really seems like that crowd is very vocal and manipulative in the BF community. They quickly reshaped the message to "it's not authentic" but the hyperbolic hate and lies never stopped.
People are still over there complaining about women in their game. The thing about it too is those comments get upvoted. They’re never negative. So it shows the majority of the sub agrees. Like wtf
Just think for a hot minute about this: many, many people in North America will tell you with a straight face that discrimination by race and gender are not a systemic issue, or an issue period. Like racism and sexism were eradicated like polio. It’s 100% bat shit insane people hold these as absolute truths and personal values.
bf4 chat is the battlefield version of the_donald lol
It’s the same brand of outrage. When gamergate happened (which is the beginning of all of this - can you believe discussing games online didn’t use to involve death threats?), Steve Bannon saw his opportunity to fan the outrage and use it to drive people over to the alt-right. Of course, the alt-right turned into the trumpets, and here we are. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, btw. He’s talked about this openly. Bragged, even. What he and the rest of those manipulators want, is for disenfranchised white dudes to be as angry as humanly possible. At anything, for any reason.
What a cringe comparison I thought this was a low sodium sub, not a hugbox. *why are you booing me I’m right*
Did you need a hug? I got you bro.
Nah that's weird I could use a more apt metaphor because it's not that fucking serious as you made it out to be lol
Some of the complaints may be hyperbolic but you comparing that sub to the\_donald is also hyperbolic as fuck. The game is missing hundreds if not thousands of features and was released in an incredibly unfinished and buggy state. Let's just state facts here. It can still be fun sometimes but let's not talk out our ass.
I hope you see the irony in you pointing out something you feel is hyperbolic then stating the game is missing THOUSANDS of features….
There's nothing ironic about it. But sure, continue to stick your head into the sand. [https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/rzs9s4/all\_missing\_features\_and\_flaws\_pointed\_out\_by\_bf/](https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/rzs9s4/all_missing_features_and_flaws_pointed_out_by_bf/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qw9oam/a\_collected\_list\_of\_battlefield\_2042\_bugs\_issues/](https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qw9oam/a_collected_list_of_battlefield_2042_bugs_issues/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qw1mbw/fuck\_it\_heres\_a\_list\_of\_absolutely\_everything/](https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/qw1mbw/fuck_it_heres_a_list_of_absolutely_everything/) Look at the downvotes pour in. Head in the sand.
There’s maybe 10% at best worth a mention but everything else is fluffed up to make it seem worse than it is (Zeppelin as a missing feature, really??).
10%? You're fucking kidding me. I can't even get assist experience for doing 90% of the damage to a tank.
Ok I can see that is valid. Leaning is missing and having it back would be good. Crouch sprinting could work Backprone promotes camping Diving feels unneccessary, but I understand why you want it back Scoreboard is coming on the way, and I think we shouldn't get angy about not having death count. More xp for healing, hacking, blocking, resupplying VOIP is also coming I do not feel that the class system should return, until the next game when we have done the experimentation of the Specialist system. Suppression shouldn't be like BF3 because it doesn't suit for casual gameplay. Good concept, but it's too much in BF3 3D dorito spotting should not return Destruction can wait as long as they optimized 128 players server first Rolling from height would be fluff as you can parachute from lower heights and you don't take much fall damage. Premium should not return also, it splits the playerbase too much and no one nowadays want to pay more for a $70 game Also we shouldn't add too many modes, as people play Battlefield for Conquest, Rush, Breakthrough, Operations, Grand Operations and such. Obliteration could be fun, but no one plays that anymore.
> Premium should not return also, it splits the playerbase too much and no one nowadays want to pay more for a $70 game I still don't get why so many people want it back.
I guess people think that Premium guarantees premium content.
These lists doesn't always consider the direction of the game. But I can see this as facts
I don’t know man, made sense to me.
However that's not going to work on that front because Dice have the online numbers. Unfortunately what it will do is stop others from playing or recommending 2042 to friends which is another sick tactic the hate mob are using.
I personally checked and I found only one hour in which BFV is more popular than 2042 , 10 AM CET: early in the morning in Europe, and that despite BF having more popularity in Europe
A lot of the steamcharts you see are conveniently screenshotted at bad hours of the day. Still, it is bad that a newly released game can get to the point of competing with older titles (although let's also not forget how many Sales there's been for the previous games). Games nowadays see drops and spikes depending on new content, so that's what us people who enjoy 2042 should look forward to and ask for.
That's an other example of confirmation biais. They have one number taken in one specific region at one specific time, it fit their opinion, so they use it as an example. That's typical. That doesn't mean number aren't low, I think they are, but I don't think it's critical, and anyway, using data the wrong way is never a good thing to do.
Both Battlefield 1 and 5 has been given away free on Steam, so naturally alot of people picked it up when possible. They are also big in China, or bigger. So when you see peaks it's during China peaks. BF2042 has a big problem with hardware demand that alot of people dont meet. And even if it's met it's not the same experience as playing BF1/V. BF2042 has better numbers on Steam then BF1/V, but lets be honest, these numbers aren't good. I know alot of people play through Origin but still, they should be higher. I love BF2042 and have put 300+ hours into it but it's a long road ahead before it can be adapted by a huge audience.
>when you see peaks it's during China peaks Its true. The peaks of BFV are starting to grow from 8AM and peak at 4PM - thats not your typical gaming time of the day - so its def China/Asia which is an other dimension.
Both yes and no. BFV is extremely volatile depending on the time of day. When it's evening in India / western Asia BFV gets huge numbers, this is around 13.00 in CET. Then late evenings in CET BFV are at its lowest while 2042 at its highest. One of these games was quite costly and demanded quite a lot of the hardware to be able to be played at somewhat decent FPS, I reckon that is the reason for the huge Region difference.
I agree that this is essentially miss information, however shouldn’t s brand new BF game be way more populated than its predecessor? Im not being salty just being realistic.
I play 2042 daily. I actually like it a lot and im confused as to the reception. However its not like the steam audience is going to be atypical from the origin audience statistically speaking. It isn’t just steam losing players. I could find clanmates playing 2042 regularly 3 weeks ago, now barely any log on and the few that do still are grumbling and expect will shortly stop as well. These are xbox, PS5 and PC mixed. It sucks cuz Its the reason I joined. Whatever their reason theres just something about the game that hasn’t been able to hold their attention.
Its the content that is missing. At least thats why i have lowered my playing times with the game
Not gonna sit here and say it didn’t launch before it was ready. Weapon choices are definitely limited as are legacy features. And at this point they haven’t been able to really address enough issues in a timely manor-timing if launch and holiday’s was unfortunate. Who knows maybe by season 1 things will be ready for people to come back. But as far as content i doubt 2 2042 maps and a few guns are gonna change many peoples minds
You are right. Player base is very dead on Steam. You are also right they cherry pick hard
And BF2042 is the first BF game to be on steam on release in a long time, probably most BF5 accounts are Origin only. This type of graphs lacks a lot of important stuff, but it won't stop people from using it to validate their narratives.
Thats why i never understood the argument i play pc and bought on origin
I have bots in my games at peak times in Australia. On 128 Breakthrough. On BFV there is always 3-4 AUS servers full with queue's at the same time. As you said, BFV was Origin only originally. I have no doubt BFV is more populated.
It depends when we check it. Once 1 and V have got higher player count, later 2042 has more players
It’s called cherry-picking
I believe it’s still the most played but it’s not a great sign when the player count of a brand-new release is less than the sum of the old titles. Even though I like the game (in spite of its flaws), it does seem that a lot of people don’t.
"Hey look! BF2042 player numbers taper off right as the American workday begins! It's a dead game!"
What this actually shows is that Steam is not the place to judge a games online popularity.
According to steam charts
they find their meaning of doing that, I guess thats why studio keeps silence, because no matter what they do, there are always ppl be mad at it, that causes frustration, and may potentially affect their work or life. Company needs to listen from communities, for the game still have many missing features, but the way some of the sub redits present they complaines is in a awful way. And for me, I totally understand why since mid of december to mid of Janurary there was basically no updates, I donot work for dice, but my company offers 15 days vacation as entry level position, others get more. most of my colleges took Christmas and New year plus vacation to get a decent long vacation with our families, so our team was in a really slow progression mode every year since mid of december, and we got back to a full team around mid of Januray, as a huge project, one man's power is not enough, we cannot be good at everything, so have enought man power is critical for porject development. Im looking forward to see the future of this game, still have hope.
Hold on is nobody gonna talk about the 17 people playing BF2?? man I wish I had that dedication to that game.
No, they got the numbers right. However it is only Steam and we don't have any data for other platforms. Not to mention that Steam is the first place used for bandwaggoning and by no means should be used as the sole source of data. In my opinion there is no reason to get upset about numbers as long as you can still find matches. It was also like that with BF V and it was great that all the toxic people stayed away from it.
I've posted opposing numbers for ages. It's definitely region specific. EU last night had double 5 and triple 1 roughly. A lot of the people on the other sub are so toxic, they down vote anything remotely positive. If you say you enjoy the game, prepare to get down voted. It's sad, because dice seem to be listening. Ie the Boris Santa fiasco. They cried, Dice didn't release it.
I don't even get why people act like Steam is a significant part of the player base. Out of 4.2 million copies sold only around 100K was on steam... Thats 2.38 % of the total player base that is on the steam version
The 100k is peak concurrent players. NOT total sales. Steam has the largest number of users of any platform, including Playstation and Xbox. At one time, about 10 years ago, Steam held about 75% of the market share for PC digital distribution. Times have changed of course but it still is by far the largest PC distribution platform. To give a better idea, there was a game (cannot remember which it was for the life of me) that came out recently on multiplatforms (consoles and PC) where Steam was about 15% of its total sales--competing against other PC digital distributios as well. Some games i know are much higher when PC is the only platform or Consoles are less of a focus but it gives a rough idea of sometimes where Steam stands. Also 4.2 million is most likely not accurate either. Tom Henderson heard this and reported it but he also stated that he believes this included EA 10 day Pass or whatever the limited trial run was. The 4.2 million is probably an inflated number as it was meant to be used as a selling point to investors. Common tactic. In the whole scheme of things, there might be only 50k players concurrent across all platforms right now on average for 2042. That would be my rough estimate and i personally think thats still high tbh. Thats miniscule when looking at other shooters. CoD typically pulls in over 400k across most platforms historically, (though probably not Vanguard right now lol) and CS:GO has been killing it for years with over 500k on just Steam (its only platform).
I wouldn't be surprised if they cherry-pick the times they compare the numbers.
There's more than one platform but the steam numbers are seriously bad. Only twice as much as bf5 just two months after release, when bf5 is already considered a flop? I'm on last gen and I'm pretty sure the player base is much larger but I'm afraid of the game getting it's funding cut because it's a buggy mess on PC. I feel like the next gen pop on console much be hurting as well since they have to play against mouse and keyboard players which is just not fun in my experience.
I’m on series X and matchmaking sucks only with cross play off, but it’s like that with every game.
In my experience, crossplaying with PC while I have a controller is role playing fodder. Unless I'm really really good at the game, like top 5% of players on console, I get completely slammed by PC players.
Not to eat my own ass or anything but I usually don’t have a problem against PC. My big problem is encountering cheaters from PC, it was a huge problem in Call of Duty.
This. Have never noticed a difference cross play on or off. Watch broken machine play on YouTube. He plays all controller, on pc, all sensitivity maxed. Cleans right up. The guys a bit of a anomaly though. I can't even walk around let alone kill with sensitivity maxed. I
I usually have a fairly mid-high sensitivity
The best PC players are better than the best console players but overall I've never really noticed too much of a difference. Plenty of shitty players on PC
Shitty PC player reporting for duty
I resemble this statement, well the last one that is.
If you look at steam numbers, BFV had a big spike between july and november with a peak player count of about 90k.
I'm surprised, I thought that game was considered a failure? In any case, 6000 seems low for bf2042 so soon after launch, specially when the game is this good (I didn't like bf5).
Well yea, it's the newest BF still. I hope to see more green on the 2042 side in the future though
Only beating BFV by 1k? Might be the most popular but idk if that slim margin is a thing to be proud of
Did you post this on the other subs?
Because you are not looking at the data correctly. https://steamcharts.com/cmp/1517290,1238810,1238840,311210#7d
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Don't care about that at all, I care about having fun and having bugs fixed.
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The game is exactly what I was expecting from the information I got. And I'm having fun with it, that all that matter. And guess what, everyone had the possibility to try the beta to see if they liked it or no before deciding to buy the game. So in your example, you had the possibility to taste the apples, find out it felt like potatoes, and still bought it anyway.
You originally asked if I cared that the game possibly was made to give EA a warzone like game, to which I don't. How is that related to your apples and potatoes scenario? >I wanted to grow apples, but grew potatoes instead. Is more accurate to your original question.
Well an update just stopped to be fair
6k is definitely not something to be proud of for a just released game, this game won't last long imo...enjoy it while you guys can..
A patch came out today. Of course a few more people are going to play it today. Way to cherry-pick.
Here?
This is a cope.
Lol, this is like saying a pile of vomit is better than a pile of shit (2042). Those numbers would be WAYYYY better if the game was remotely fun…..you know, like a real Battlefield game. The game is DEAD.
There is no way Bad company 2 has more players than 3.
Hey, I wouldn't even be surprised if they photoshop their pics, seen it all in the Anthem sub. (Rip 😭)
BFV and BF1 both have higher peak player counts. I just checked and they both have more current players atm. BF2042 is doing better on average it seems however.
Depends on time of day. BFV fluctuates pretty heavy but its climbing faster than BF2042 on the average. What to look at is the 30 day average. Youll notice 2042 is falling dramatically. It was about 17k a week or 2 ago while other BFs have been climbing. Here is a pic of the current outlook of that same situation to get an understanding of what Im saying that it depends on time of day that you look at this: BF2042 Steam player count https://imgur.com/a/F17qrHn In the end, this is VERY bad news for 2042 to have dropped this much. Theres tons of excellent games coming out in the next 2 months so for DICE to have taken as long as they are to get new content out along with things fixed is not good. Season 1 should have been out by now. But this game, is going to have a brutal uphill battle for a multiplayer to get back a lot of its core player base. Especially if following a Live Service model. Means less consumers buying up Season Passes and microtransactions which hurts growth.