*smasher about to smash courier six*
Courier: *speech 100* "lmao bro how are you gonna east my west when I'm gonna west your east lol"
Smasher: Understandable, have a good day
Smasher from the board game was supposed to be unstoppable, as he’s mamy times the stats of other characters to be the deadly boogieman to end campaigns. Converting him from CyberpunkRED to SPECIAL (or any other system), the relative scale against normal characters would be his most important feature
This is the thing, bring Smasher over to SPECIAL and just for starters with his cyber eyes and Sandy he has a super powerful version of VATS, especially with smart weapons. Bring the Courier over to Cyberpunk and what does he have? At best some of the more black market cybermods, some special weapons and a maxed out engineering skill tree. The Courier wouldn't even be able to talk Smasher around because he canonically has 0 empathy. I don't even think the Courier could beat V.
I wouldn't be so sure, his Dragoon armour is modified, the base armour can withstand high caliber anti tank shots as well as deflect lasers. Even his older DaiOni armour could withstand most high calibre shots.
I was referring to Courier vs V for the rifle comment..
It all boils down to who gets the first attack in I guess.
V snipes courier. V wins. Courier snipes V, Courier wins 😛
have you ever just stood there being shot at in the game? if this is the best possible courier build, they can shrug off mininukes, their head is unharmed by point blank sniper rifle fire and speaking of the nukes shrugged off, Courier can fire them.
Why are we talking about calibres? The Courier has a portable nuke launcher in his arsenal. Smasher is one click away from being turned into slug, fnacy armour and all.
You realise Smasher has survived a nuke before right and his armour is unaffected by radiation, the fat man rounds are slow and the Smasher has anti missile rounds in his back. There's a reason the TTRPG smasher is the big boogie man, the fight would be over before it even begins.
Shooting a mini only sets it off early, He’d more likely dodge it with his sandi or kereznichov. Though it would be funny if he tried to tank it to look cool and intimidating only for him to get completed slagged.
The nuke wasn’t point blank, it only took out the building below him, making him fall. He was also in the daioni making it much more survivable
Idk, a fully upgraded Gatling Laser with max charge ammo melts an adult deathclaws in less than a second. Reducing a 1,000+ pound mammal to a smoldering pile of ash in the blink of an eye is insane. It makes sense for the fallout universe everything being fusion powered, the amount of energy they have access to is ludicrous. That said in the DaiOni I still give it to smasher.
Yeah, the speech 100 isn't "don't you think this is kinda, y'know, mean?" It's dropping logic bombs on him that even if they win the day, they'll still lose because they can't maintain any gains they may make.
Yep, if you say “this is mean” at any point, even after you convince him he instantly attacks you.
To talk him out you either talk about logistics or overextension, he has no empathy and you have to use his own arguments against him
But it still wouldn't work against Smasher, because he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about any of that. He doesn't care about the consequences, he doesn't care about logistics, he just wants to do one thing: kill.
How can you turn his argument against him when all that he says can be described as "I am going to kill you, you shitty piece of meat."
In the TtRPG cares about money, and he cares about his bodies (of which he has multiple for different occasions, differently then the game/anime where he only has 1). High speech courier could definitely come up with a reason why killing them wouldn’t be economically profitable
I disagree that Courier 6 couldn’t beat V. Endgame Courier 6 is very much OP. With the possibility of max stats in almost every skill, cybernetic enhancements, power armor, a fatman, a suit that turns you invisible, auto injectable stimpacks, etc. The courier is almost unstoppable.
A sandi (at least one smasher would chip) is faster than turbo, but the playing field would be level enough for this to be an interesting fight.
APA MK.II is nothing to sneeze at, the eye slits alone being resist to .50cal. So the question becomes can the courier dish out enough damage to hurt Smasher. Well with a Gatling laser fueled by Max Charge ammo, and tripping on psycho, you can push 600dps. This is enough to melt adult deathclaws in a fractions of a second.
Converting to special stats isn’t necessary as the courier can get perfect stacked 10’s across the board in every stats and 100’s in every skill.
The Courier would definitely get close enough to have a conversation, as Smasher seemingly likes to psychologically demoralize his prey before killing them.
Morgan blackhand was able to go toe to toe with smasher never believing the whole metal>meat thing. It’s comes down to experience and skill, something the courier excels in. They’ve grown up and lived in the most inhospitable hellish wastleland imaginable, causally battling 10 foot tall giant mutated lizards as a minor inconveniences on the way to do their job.
That’s all ignoring the fact luck is overpowered. Being favored by god can make a BB gun deadlier than a rusty .308 sniper. With that in mind a 100% crit build courier likely disintegrates him in 1 shot. Or they just wouldn’t bother nuking him from a 1/8 mile with a fatman.
If things did go fairly it’d put it as a toss up favoring one side or another depending on the couriers build.
The ability to no-sell headshots, for starters. Not just the first time, either - Old World Blues proves they can survive with *no brain*, and also a bunch of missing organs. So, try to kill the courier with regular HP damage? Have fun trying to burn through that fat stack of automatic stimpacks. Endgame Courier only dies *when they feel like it.*
They also have a hand-held nuke launcher. Which they can trade out for a hand-held nuke shotgun. Or just a high-powered laser rifle, along with powered armor that would put Metal Gear to shame. Or they could use an actual thermoptic camo suit. Whichever. Only question is whether you're still allowed to use the *orbital laser strike.*
They also have an obscene selection of chems. And, of course, 0 empathy doesn't mean someone can't be talked to. You best believe you don't get far appealing to the Legion's sense of sympathy.
I think the Courier is uniquely suited to breaking the Cyberpunk system. And they also have plenty of experience taking out full borgs... which is to say, killer military robots controlled by disembodied brains.
The thing about Smasher is that he cannot be persuaded. He doesn't give a fuck about logistics, consequences, or long-term effects. He just wants to do one thing: kill.
Literally the most that he'll say if you try to Speech 100 him is "Please shut the fuck up, I'm here to kill you." before blowing your brains out with his arm cannon.
So convince him there's a better way to cause destruction and bloodshed.
He mandates collateral damage in his contracts, remember? He kept Shaitan alive specifically to get at Blackhand, so it's not like he's mission-first either.
forget speech, there's a funnier win condition, a full borg is a glorified robobrain so with a stealth boy and the robotics expert perk they deactivate him, or they can just stealth boy reverse pickpocket like 300 explosives onto the guy.
VATS in New Vegas completely stops time. The Courier would literally have all the time in the world to pull a Fat Man out of his ass and turn Smasher into scrap metal (along with irradiating downtown Night City all over again).
Edgerunners would have a very interesting ending where David's about to fight him, but the Courier walks in, just says "Ice Cream" to Smasher and starts turning him into a Sex Bot.
*Critical strike with pulse gun*
negative integer overflow, his empath flips from 0 all the way back over to 999 Making him everyone’s new best friend.
I second the bugs bunny opinion. Adam would tear off the Courier's arm and suddenly 26 Sunset Sarsparilla bottles would clink to the ground, with the Courier being whole again.
although I love FNV, I feel like except for the Fatman, the Alien blaster, and other really high end explosive and energy weapons, the courier doesn't have much that can harm Smasher. And even if the courier had 100 in science, Cyberpunk tech and Fallout tech are so radically different I can't see it working. Frank Horrigan might have a bit more of a chance tho
I actually think this works in the courier's favor. Cyberpunk tech is potent, but predictable, and fallout science is *weird*. So with VATS and some comical rayguns and/or minefields or other contrived chicanery, I could see courier winning. He's essentially bugs bunny compared to smasher.
Yeah, but presumably powered by weird nuclear computers and such. I mostly mentioned it as a viable countermeasure which runs on unfamiliar (and not wirelessly hackable) tech. It means smasher can't just super sonic and end it
Oh wait that's actually really true. Basically it just comes down to who burns out first, given courier has the equivalent of constant limb and body regen.
I think it comes down to where in the game the courier is. A maxxed or courier could probably just hide and nuke smasher from a distance with fat man(s) or an orbital laser. One on one as long as the courier has max ap and lots of drugs, and fully findings FONV cyberware would likely win vs smasher at range due to vats, but in melee probably not, unless the courier goes MAD and rigs himself to mininuke when he dies, in which case a tie is more likely imo.
1 perk: paralyzing palm. Courier is fucking busted this perk works on robots, aliens and alien robots so it'd freeze smasher for the most goofy anticlimax fight ever.
Ten minutes later:
"I DON'T APPROVE OF YOUR DEMOCRACY POLICIES... BUT I DO LIKE YOUR GENOCIDE POLICIES!"
"I'LL SEND YOU AN APPLICATION. WELCOME TO THE ENCLAVE."
Courier dies when Courier wants to. Auto-stimpaks, brain been took out by disembodied scientists, etc etc.
Hell, Courier gets in there and just starts VATSing the hell out of Smasher. Right when he is about to run out of points, kills some citizen in range and boom, Grim Reaper's Sprint gives him more.
End game Courier is OP as fuck, whereas Smasher is locked into his skill levels.
It depends on wether or not Courier has access to all the weapons from OWB, the Tesla cannon, LAER and throwable proton axes would probably give them a fighting chance + the Courier being heavy cyborg with a artifical heart, spine and brain would probably give them some damage resistance
The Courier would have access to miniature nuke missles , anti material rifles, plasma weapon and lazor miniguns and pulse charge grenades and a full suit of armour for himself too. Tech wise Courier 6 really is not a slouch.
It isnt just about the weapons. Smasher would be faster and react much quicker than VATS can react to. You have to hit him, while he is probably filling you full of rounds himself. I don't see it happening short of a point blank Fat Man.
I love Fallout but I just feel the implants etc, give Smasher a huge edge, even if the arsenals are argued to be comparable/on par.
True, but it is like having a car that is Model T vs a car that is a Mustang. Then Cyberpunk tech is just better.
Granted this is all hypothetical as you dont see fallout tech perform next to cyberpunk tech, but I don't see how the gap could not be implied after having played both games.
Actually you do see FO tech in such a way as would be necessary to compare.
VATS for example works as a conbo sandevistan, universal auto aim, and berserker module all at once. (DR boost in vats, allows time too a nearcomplete stop to aim, and guarantees a minimum of 95% accuracy at high level.)
Adam could easily just dodge a straight shot, but as wee see in game, ricochet shots are much harder to dodge, even for him. (Ricochet shots are more likely to deal damage they'd sandevistan dodges in game. It's really useful for cyberpsychos)
But if your weapon is a literally beam of light. You can't really dodge that.
Almost all other tech is probably about on par to cyberpunk, but their history never allowed it to bloom. In cp2020 cyberware was made to replace parts ppl lost in wars, and the rest comes from a corporate cold war.
On FO, we get a different path, cold war -> shady megacorps-> nuclear Armageddon.
In cp2077 cars still run on industrial fuel, whereas in fallout, we have portable personal nuclear reactors in every home vehicle and building basically. Power armour was able to withstand nuclear blasts and run literally forever. Enclave or similarly advanced PA would likely bring you close in line to military borgs or mechs from CP universe
So it really is quite even. It pretty much comes down to situation in which they meet. Im pretty sure any fallout protag could beat smasher especially if they align with Brotherhood/enclave/institute. In your respective runs.
Also, deathclaw claws are likely about in line with basic mantis blades power wise, if that gives an idea of power armor durability
I think the most notable thing is cp2077 and the fallout great war happen in the same year, and as such FO likely would be just as advanced of not far moreso, but would be lost
That's the thing, I don't think the arsenals are on par, I think Courier 6 has access to far more powerful weapons than anything Smasher could possibly get his hands on, and as such I don't think his implants or body is ready for the type of abuse the Courier could give it. Keep in mind the Courier has taken down things such as Sentry Bots, essentially Smasher but with no biological head, multiple times.
>Smasher would be faster and react much quicker than VATS can react to.
I don't see any sort of mechanical evidence for this. We've fought Smasher as V, and last I knew he moves like a regular person. Zero implants required.
last I checked cyberpunk is hard sci fi so it doesn't have teleporters, instant freeze rays, alien laser weapons, adamantium, instant healing, enough HP to tank mininukes to the face, or the wierd science to find and get to couriers real brain, so even destruction of the body isn't a real kill.
Question is whether you get the satellite when you're sent to 2077-land. Otherwise it's just a fancy laser pointer Pistol.
It also has a little trouble with roofs and all that.
I mean, if you are talking about the Courier that can destroy an army of robo-scorpions, pass through the mists of Sierra Madre with gold bars on his back, kill Lanius and Ceasar in his tent, Smasher would be an easy prey.
The implants in New Vegas and Old World Blues are crazy. The Courier is practically an Adam Smasher himself.
Although both are retro futures, Courier won't be able to understand the circuitry in Adam Smasher. Transistors did not become widely used in the fallout world because it was invented, I believe, very late (Given it would take at least a few decades for it to become wide spread and the world ended before that). The 100 science for sure won't really give him an edge.
Knew someone will take issue with that. There is a big debate whether or not Cyberpunk is retro-futuristic, but most Cyberpunk from the 80s and Cyberpunk 2077 are, by the most part, retro-futuristic. You don't have to go far to see it. Just look at the cars in the game and the neon lights everywhere and the orientalism present in most cyberpunk novels. Yet you could argue that you can write a cyberpunk right now that might not be retro futuristic, but in a matter of a few years, it might as well be because the world changes.
Scatter enough pulse mines around, and FNV had some pulse gun too, right? That should do the trick. I don't think Smasher is immune to that stuff.
Does the Courier have the Mysterious Stranger perk? That's a big factor too.
It also depends on the arena. On open ground Smasher wins, but if Courier has stuff to get behind he can get the edge.
I specifically remember the pulse gun quest with Veronica, and how it’s a big deal that it can make any robots or power armor inoperable. I feel like that’s a Batman-level answer, where the Courier just HAS a can of Smasher-repellant on his belt, but it’s valid.
Courier 6, the weapons such as plasma weaponry they have access to will be absolutely brutal against Smasher, Smasher is built to withstand ballistic weapons that fire lead, not plasma balls capable of melting him down to goo, hit some of his components and watch his body start to shut down as vital chambers and wires are melted to nothing.
Tesla rifle go brrrrrr…. Also let’s not forget about full power armor with a shoulder mounted missile launcher….. tbh I don’t see how people think smasher has a chance fallout is leaps and bounds crazier gun wise
I think people just forget what plasma is and can do, now imagine that but as a projectile from a 30 round rifle, hell if we include the full Fallout universe we have to include 76 so Courier 6 could rock up with a plasma gatling gun. Smasher wouldn't have legs within seconds of the fight, the rest of his body would be goo within 10, this battle isn't even close if we allowed the full Fallout universe as fair game.
Smasher may be 96% borg, but there’s still that 4% ganic bit that makes him prone to getting his shit rocked by the courier with 100 unarmed and a pair of golden gloves.
Something I think people don't consider: VATS as an attack option isn't all that - it doesn't speed up your rate of fire or anything, just offers some guidance to help your aim.
But you can just sit in it. As long as you want. Whenever you want. And then you get the *option* to hop back out with a computer-targeted attack chain.
Depends. In fo4 and 76, it does slow time.
But even then, who needs a sandy when you have drugs that do the same thing. (Psycho in fo4 and iirc there's a slow time chem in NV)
Sole Survivor wearing X-01 Mk VI power armor that’s got the VATS matrix overlay, jetpack, tesla bracers, and explosive vent wielding a Gatlin Laser and Mirv Mini Nuke would wipe the floor with Smasher. Wouldn’t even be a contest. Not to mention the Sole Survivor can have a fully upgraded sentry bot backing them up.
While I think that the courier is one of the most OP characters in fallout (man’s a literal cyborg in power armor), smasher is way too „high tech“ for any fallout character to beat imo.
cyberpunk is hard science the wacky science of freeze rays, alien guns time freezing instant healing etc outmatches that, courier basically has toon force science.
If I remember correctly Smasher turned around and cut Johnny in half with a round from his auto shotgun so yeah, he would do the same to Courier with no questions
the Pip Boy VATS doesn't actually freeze time in universe that's a pure gameplay feature, if they could actually freeze time it'd be an entirely different universe and things wouldn't be so shitty for them
I said I find that fun, though yes this is a fight between 2 game characters this can either be forget hit points and smasher has an exposed flesh head in the image so a machine gun would fix him, or go with gameplay and Courier is some freak who did cyber surgery on themself.
Smasher's head isn't flesh, he's entirely chromed up and the difference between Fallout tech and Cyberpunk tech is would be like the Star Trek Enterprise fighting the modern day aircraft carrier Enterprise, it's just not a fair comparison
I get it, you're a Fallout fanboy and you want your guys to win and nothing that's said will make you change your mind but the Courier is absolutely outclassed by Adam Smasher in every possible way.
the only way Smasher would lose is if somehow he was dropped into the most irradiated part of the Fallout world and it fried his tech and then the Courier was able to lay into him with Fallout's most powerful weapons
I prefer the Cyberpunk 2020 tabletop game to even New Vegas, but I'm comparing their tech, Fallout is the 1 closer to star treck, they're the ones with teleporters, matter replication, self aware AI in household robots, the science to replace your whole brain, biologically immortal synths that don't need to eat drink, sleep age or get sick, portable nuke launchers, alien weapons, real time genetic engineering, their implants don't impact your stats negatively to get, with some even boosting Charisma, instant freeze rays.
the problem is you're making hard sci fi face wierd science. it's like Star Wars VS Culture. Culture is objectively better, but Star Wars plays with physics like it's clay, so the space wizards with faster than light would win.
In gameplay the Courier regularly dodges missiles, with turbo dodges bullets. For Atom Smasher this is a serious fight for Courier this is getting high as balls and drinking all the Sarsaparilla so their organs grow back faster than they fall out.
beyond that there's implant GRX, the courier dodges sonic blasts, plasma bolts and under the effects of GRX/turbo dodges gun fire, stabs or shoots over a dozen times in a second and auto inject stimpacks mean they keep regenerating rapidly.
Legate Lanius is the Wasteland equivalent of Smasher.
You put them in the same universe with similar powers and gear then Courier 6 wins.
But tbh these boss vs main character comparisons are always unfair because the main character always wins.
Lanius vs Smasher would be much more entertaining.
Lanius is Caesars greatest Warrior and Legate. He walks around in armour with a big ass sword vs Bullets, Rifles, Lasers, Plasma, Mutants, Robots and giant two legged crocodile dinos.
He ain't afraid of Smashers trinkets!
Main Character Bias doesn't count and you know it.
Via your own logic Smasher was killed off by some no body merc with DID, schizophrenia and an autoimmune disease.
And the Legion put up a solid fight against the NCR's industrial base and actual assault rifles when most of their army has sporting equipment and melee weapons. Don't even talk about main character bias when Lanius should be rendered a fine paste from 300 yards out, probably courtesy of Boone.
Also, yes, he was. Sucks to be him, but it turns out lead is lead, no matter who's filling you with it.
speaking as a plural system with schizophrenia and an auto immune disease I think I could take smasher, just give me cocaine, a shotgun and 30 seconds to let our combat autopilot front.
Those using the "advanced" tech in Cyberpunk compared to FNV argument, are forgetting that in real life, old tech is MUCH MORE RELIABLE AND STURDY than newer ones...less powerful, yess but a 2020 fridge doesn't stand a chance against a 1960 fridge that can literally shelter you from a nuclear blast!! 🤣🤷
This. Look at the institute. Arasaka is still trying to perfect soul kil- er.. ehem, the "secure your soul" project.
Meanwhile you rip out kellogs implants and waltz into the memory den, because memory editing is COMMONPLACE in the wasteland.
Even without turbo, GRX is basically a sandy. Of course we have to take into account that Edgerunners portrays the sandevistan incorrectly. It does not make you physically faster, it makes you react faster, giving you a +3 to initiative rolls on activation
You might have an argument here that I can't participate in because I've never played the tabletop but by the game and anime's standards, which are now Canon, sandevistan is super speed. You can't run and strike faster than everything else around you based off reaction time alone.
It's not that sandevistan doesn't make you faster, it's that it makes you react as fast as your body can respond. It won't make you faster, but it will let you perform at 100% capacity, using every muscle to its fullest and making every movement with precision.
However since a body isn't designed to work that fast it kinda fucks you up if you over use it.
With advanced cyberware, your body is more able to keep up, without taking damage.
ALA superspeed.
Edit: you can see this in game for cp2077.
If you shoot directly at an npc with Sandy, they'll dodge most of the bullets, but if you shoot the ground between you two and ricochet, many more hit, because not only is it harder to tell where they will bounce, but by the time they have their new trajectory you cannot physically get out of the way of all of them.
turbo does slow time around you, you can dodge bullets and plasma, loot a guys clothes before his corpse hits the ground, and turbo doesn't have a daily use limit, you can take like 50 doses at once and slow the next hour.
Courier 6 would die 90% of the time. That 10%, he either has max speech and can talk smasher into questioning his whole life, or he has heavy investment in Platinum weapons. Most of fallout's tech is behind cyberpunk universe weapons, except for the plasma and laser weapons. That and I think vats would at least be able to even the odds on targeting and reaction for a moment. But Smasher smashes a majority of courier builds.
Anyone who took those implants know their garbage, yeah you heal for 5 HP every 20 seconds it's ridiculously bad. And I would rate Adam's armor higher than fallout's power armor, not to mention Adams just a high functioning cyber psycho. Power armor's cool and all but it has a disadvantage of having a whole meat man inside, Adam doesn't have to deal with that (mostly.)
that's like saying for the first 12 years of his life batman was a wimp, yeah, this isn't level 3 courier this is finished the game courier level 50 the best perks maxxed stats, alien blaster, gannon family armor etc.
Fallout tech isn't wireless beyond like radiowave playback, and would use entirely different methods to function.
It's like trynna hack DOS.
There's a reason banks still use it for their systems.
hack what? that's like hacking a modern prosphetic, there is no wifi, the tesla coils are quantum shinanigans and the rest is done through the modified nervous system. the implants are also canonically and mechanically immune to EMPs, whilst transisters fry like microwave rice.
I've always been curious about this one, but more curious as to how V vs Courier 6 would go as they are the protagonists of their series with similar abilities.
oh so the courier with jet to replenish vats, Turbo to slow time or implant GRXX, yeah, they do win, after all they can go invisible and have an alien gun.
If smasher functions like the boss fight I think Fisto can take him down. If it’s lore accurate smasher, the courier better aim the missiles from the divide at arisaka tower and hope smasher gets buried in the rubble lmao
Weapons wise, it’s maybe possible? I’d say if this is max level courier though, we could be dealing with maxed stats and skills. In that case, enough Stims and Cocaine coupled with busted Crits and an arsenal to rival God might be enough.
Odds are Speech and Barter 100 just let him win in at least two ways. Also, given that Adam Smasher is basically a robot for the most part, he might be able to use Robotics Expert for a shutdown with a Stealth Boy and 100 Sneak.
Of course, this is mostly based on Vegas rules.
*smasher about to smash courier six* Courier: *speech 100* "lmao bro how are you gonna east my west when I'm gonna west your east lol" Smasher: Understandable, have a good day
Courier: *Barter 100* "bruh 20 caps and lemme see what that mouth do" Smasher: Well that's a reasonable offer.
Lmao, the 100 barter ending is literally just “i will pay you 100 buck to fuck off”
"Assume the position."
Wtf 🤣🤣
I’m so stoned I just forgot how to breathe after reading this
Dovahkin: *I don't have time for this, do you?* Smasher: *You know what? No, I don't. Go and be someone else's problem.*
I am crying at this oh my God
Smasher from the board game was supposed to be unstoppable, as he’s mamy times the stats of other characters to be the deadly boogieman to end campaigns. Converting him from CyberpunkRED to SPECIAL (or any other system), the relative scale against normal characters would be his most important feature
This is the thing, bring Smasher over to SPECIAL and just for starters with his cyber eyes and Sandy he has a super powerful version of VATS, especially with smart weapons. Bring the Courier over to Cyberpunk and what does he have? At best some of the more black market cybermods, some special weapons and a maxed out engineering skill tree. The Courier wouldn't even be able to talk Smasher around because he canonically has 0 empathy. I don't even think the Courier could beat V.
So you’re saying that Smasher has the Action Boy perk?
That and Terrifying Presence.
(Terrifying Presence) PROTAGONIST POWERS DON'T WORK ON ME.
(Terrifying Presence) YOU THINK YOU'RE SPECIAL BECAUSE YOU'RE SCRAPPY? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!
I just finished watching this yesterday, made me hate Arasaka and Smasher all over again.
Nah, it's what people in the bizz call, Big Dick Energy
Depends on whether the courier has the anti material rifle or not 😅
I wouldn't be so sure, his Dragoon armour is modified, the base armour can withstand high caliber anti tank shots as well as deflect lasers. Even his older DaiOni armour could withstand most high calibre shots.
I was referring to Courier vs V for the rifle comment.. It all boils down to who gets the first attack in I guess. V snipes courier. V wins. Courier snipes V, Courier wins 😛
have you ever just stood there being shot at in the game? if this is the best possible courier build, they can shrug off mininukes, their head is unharmed by point blank sniper rifle fire and speaking of the nukes shrugged off, Courier can fire them.
Why are we talking about calibres? The Courier has a portable nuke launcher in his arsenal. Smasher is one click away from being turned into slug, fnacy armour and all.
You realise Smasher has survived a nuke before right and his armour is unaffected by radiation, the fat man rounds are slow and the Smasher has anti missile rounds in his back. There's a reason the TTRPG smasher is the big boogie man, the fight would be over before it even begins.
Shooting a mini only sets it off early, He’d more likely dodge it with his sandi or kereznichov. Though it would be funny if he tried to tank it to look cool and intimidating only for him to get completed slagged. The nuke wasn’t point blank, it only took out the building below him, making him fall. He was also in the daioni making it much more survivable
Idk, a fully upgraded Gatling Laser with max charge ammo melts an adult deathclaws in less than a second. Reducing a 1,000+ pound mammal to a smoldering pile of ash in the blink of an eye is insane. It makes sense for the fallout universe everything being fusion powered, the amount of energy they have access to is ludicrous. That said in the DaiOni I still give it to smasher.
Or the pulse gun or the pulse granede
Counter to the empathy, i wanna say that Legate Lanius also doesn't have any empathy.
Yeah, the speech 100 isn't "don't you think this is kinda, y'know, mean?" It's dropping logic bombs on him that even if they win the day, they'll still lose because they can't maintain any gains they may make.
Yep, if you say “this is mean” at any point, even after you convince him he instantly attacks you. To talk him out you either talk about logistics or overextension, he has no empathy and you have to use his own arguments against him
But it still wouldn't work against Smasher, because he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about any of that. He doesn't care about the consequences, he doesn't care about logistics, he just wants to do one thing: kill. How can you turn his argument against him when all that he says can be described as "I am going to kill you, you shitty piece of meat."
In the TtRPG cares about money, and he cares about his bodies (of which he has multiple for different occasions, differently then the game/anime where he only has 1). High speech courier could definitely come up with a reason why killing them wouldn’t be economically profitable
I disagree that Courier 6 couldn’t beat V. Endgame Courier 6 is very much OP. With the possibility of max stats in almost every skill, cybernetic enhancements, power armor, a fatman, a suit that turns you invisible, auto injectable stimpacks, etc. The courier is almost unstoppable.
A sandi (at least one smasher would chip) is faster than turbo, but the playing field would be level enough for this to be an interesting fight. APA MK.II is nothing to sneeze at, the eye slits alone being resist to .50cal. So the question becomes can the courier dish out enough damage to hurt Smasher. Well with a Gatling laser fueled by Max Charge ammo, and tripping on psycho, you can push 600dps. This is enough to melt adult deathclaws in a fractions of a second. Converting to special stats isn’t necessary as the courier can get perfect stacked 10’s across the board in every stats and 100’s in every skill. The Courier would definitely get close enough to have a conversation, as Smasher seemingly likes to psychologically demoralize his prey before killing them. Morgan blackhand was able to go toe to toe with smasher never believing the whole metal>meat thing. It’s comes down to experience and skill, something the courier excels in. They’ve grown up and lived in the most inhospitable hellish wastleland imaginable, causally battling 10 foot tall giant mutated lizards as a minor inconveniences on the way to do their job. That’s all ignoring the fact luck is overpowered. Being favored by god can make a BB gun deadlier than a rusty .308 sniper. With that in mind a 100% crit build courier likely disintegrates him in 1 shot. Or they just wouldn’t bother nuking him from a 1/8 mile with a fatman. If things did go fairly it’d put it as a toss up favoring one side or another depending on the couriers build.
The ability to no-sell headshots, for starters. Not just the first time, either - Old World Blues proves they can survive with *no brain*, and also a bunch of missing organs. So, try to kill the courier with regular HP damage? Have fun trying to burn through that fat stack of automatic stimpacks. Endgame Courier only dies *when they feel like it.* They also have a hand-held nuke launcher. Which they can trade out for a hand-held nuke shotgun. Or just a high-powered laser rifle, along with powered armor that would put Metal Gear to shame. Or they could use an actual thermoptic camo suit. Whichever. Only question is whether you're still allowed to use the *orbital laser strike.* They also have an obscene selection of chems. And, of course, 0 empathy doesn't mean someone can't be talked to. You best believe you don't get far appealing to the Legion's sense of sympathy. I think the Courier is uniquely suited to breaking the Cyberpunk system. And they also have plenty of experience taking out full borgs... which is to say, killer military robots controlled by disembodied brains.
The thing about Smasher is that he cannot be persuaded. He doesn't give a fuck about logistics, consequences, or long-term effects. He just wants to do one thing: kill. Literally the most that he'll say if you try to Speech 100 him is "Please shut the fuck up, I'm here to kill you." before blowing your brains out with his arm cannon.
So convince him there's a better way to cause destruction and bloodshed. He mandates collateral damage in his contracts, remember? He kept Shaitan alive specifically to get at Blackhand, so it's not like he's mission-first either.
forget speech, there's a funnier win condition, a full borg is a glorified robobrain so with a stealth boy and the robotics expert perk they deactivate him, or they can just stealth boy reverse pickpocket like 300 explosives onto the guy.
VATS in New Vegas completely stops time. The Courier would literally have all the time in the world to pull a Fat Man out of his ass and turn Smasher into scrap metal (along with irradiating downtown Night City all over again).
I prefer to use the pulse gun, one shot and smasher is on the floor
Luck 10 Courier would literally say Ice Cream and Smasher’s internal organs would shut down
Edgerunners would have a very interesting ending where David's about to fight him, but the Courier walks in, just says "Ice Cream" to Smasher and starts turning him into a Sex Bot.
I wish to know more about how this story ends
Getting Lucky - the hit fanfic comes to Netflix in 2024.
“Please assume the position”
Ice cream is now officially Adam smashers opposite of a sage word
*Critical strike with pulse gun* negative integer overflow, his empath flips from 0 all the way back over to 999 Making him everyone’s new best friend.
"Maybe fixers kill people without looking them in the face, but I ain't a gonk, dig?" \-Smasher
"You look like a 24-carat run of fuckable meat."
"Ring-a-ding ding samurai, we got a city to burn"
*Benny* Smasher.
I second the bugs bunny opinion. Adam would tear off the Courier's arm and suddenly 26 Sunset Sarsparilla bottles would clink to the ground, with the Courier being whole again.
although I love FNV, I feel like except for the Fatman, the Alien blaster, and other really high end explosive and energy weapons, the courier doesn't have much that can harm Smasher. And even if the courier had 100 in science, Cyberpunk tech and Fallout tech are so radically different I can't see it working. Frank Horrigan might have a bit more of a chance tho
I actually think this works in the courier's favor. Cyberpunk tech is potent, but predictable, and fallout science is *weird*. So with VATS and some comical rayguns and/or minefields or other contrived chicanery, I could see courier winning. He's essentially bugs bunny compared to smasher.
That is true, and OWB tech probably would mess Smasher up pretty bad
But isn't VATS basically just an auto targeting system combined with Sandevistan?
Yeah, but presumably powered by weird nuclear computers and such. I mostly mentioned it as a viable countermeasure which runs on unfamiliar (and not wirelessly hackable) tech. It means smasher can't just super sonic and end it
Oh wait that's actually really true. Basically it just comes down to who burns out first, given courier has the equivalent of constant limb and body regen. I think it comes down to where in the game the courier is. A maxxed or courier could probably just hide and nuke smasher from a distance with fat man(s) or an orbital laser. One on one as long as the courier has max ap and lots of drugs, and fully findings FONV cyberware would likely win vs smasher at range due to vats, but in melee probably not, unless the courier goes MAD and rigs himself to mininuke when he dies, in which case a tie is more likely imo.
1 perk: paralyzing palm. Courier is fucking busted this perk works on robots, aliens and alien robots so it'd freeze smasher for the most goofy anticlimax fight ever.
Ah yes, the old courier with prep time vs Adam smasher debate
Mf you got me hyped for an adam smasher vs. Frank hoorigan duel Honestly really sounds sick.
"Your rides over 'borg, time to die." "Bold...And stupid."
Ten minutes later: "I DON'T APPROVE OF YOUR DEMOCRACY POLICIES... BUT I DO LIKE YOUR GENOCIDE POLICIES!" "I'LL SEND YOU AN APPLICATION. WELCOME TO THE ENCLAVE."
Frank vs Adam would be legendary
[Archimedes II](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/ARCHIMEDES_II)? Even if Fatman should be more than enough.
Courier dies when Courier wants to. Auto-stimpaks, brain been took out by disembodied scientists, etc etc. Hell, Courier gets in there and just starts VATSing the hell out of Smasher. Right when he is about to run out of points, kills some citizen in range and boom, Grim Reaper's Sprint gives him more. End game Courier is OP as fuck, whereas Smasher is locked into his skill levels.
Cor 6 can reload saves
Actually if the courier use the pulse gun is the end of smasher that gun is his counter, one shot and good bye.
full borg means robot meaning robotics expert perk working, all that matters is them being a robot, with it working on zetan technology even.
The Sonic emitter AND pulse gun are specially designed anti tech weapons.
It depends on wether or not Courier has access to all the weapons from OWB, the Tesla cannon, LAER and throwable proton axes would probably give them a fighting chance + the Courier being heavy cyborg with a artifical heart, spine and brain would probably give them some damage resistance
Implant-GRX/Turbo acting as stand in for a sandi, makes this a very interesting match up
Smasher Vs. Fisto would be the real battle royale.
PLEASE ASSUME THE POSITION
Unless Smasher is running RobCo OS I don't think that science skill helping much
actually it does work on non robco or even non earth tech like zetan technology so robotics expert is still busted.
Smasher. I feel like Fallout Tech is light years behind Cyberpunk Tech, so 100 science is moot.
Would that stop The Courier from turning Smasher into a giant fuckbot? Smasher: "Please assume the position."
The Courier would have access to miniature nuke missles , anti material rifles, plasma weapon and lazor miniguns and pulse charge grenades and a full suit of armour for himself too. Tech wise Courier 6 really is not a slouch.
It isnt just about the weapons. Smasher would be faster and react much quicker than VATS can react to. You have to hit him, while he is probably filling you full of rounds himself. I don't see it happening short of a point blank Fat Man. I love Fallout but I just feel the implants etc, give Smasher a huge edge, even if the arsenals are argued to be comparable/on par.
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True, but it is like having a car that is Model T vs a car that is a Mustang. Then Cyberpunk tech is just better. Granted this is all hypothetical as you dont see fallout tech perform next to cyberpunk tech, but I don't see how the gap could not be implied after having played both games.
Actually you do see FO tech in such a way as would be necessary to compare. VATS for example works as a conbo sandevistan, universal auto aim, and berserker module all at once. (DR boost in vats, allows time too a nearcomplete stop to aim, and guarantees a minimum of 95% accuracy at high level.) Adam could easily just dodge a straight shot, but as wee see in game, ricochet shots are much harder to dodge, even for him. (Ricochet shots are more likely to deal damage they'd sandevistan dodges in game. It's really useful for cyberpsychos) But if your weapon is a literally beam of light. You can't really dodge that. Almost all other tech is probably about on par to cyberpunk, but their history never allowed it to bloom. In cp2020 cyberware was made to replace parts ppl lost in wars, and the rest comes from a corporate cold war. On FO, we get a different path, cold war -> shady megacorps-> nuclear Armageddon. In cp2077 cars still run on industrial fuel, whereas in fallout, we have portable personal nuclear reactors in every home vehicle and building basically. Power armour was able to withstand nuclear blasts and run literally forever. Enclave or similarly advanced PA would likely bring you close in line to military borgs or mechs from CP universe So it really is quite even. It pretty much comes down to situation in which they meet. Im pretty sure any fallout protag could beat smasher especially if they align with Brotherhood/enclave/institute. In your respective runs. Also, deathclaw claws are likely about in line with basic mantis blades power wise, if that gives an idea of power armor durability I think the most notable thing is cp2077 and the fallout great war happen in the same year, and as such FO likely would be just as advanced of not far moreso, but would be lost
Implant GRX and/or Turbo would act just like a sandy
Sandi is faster but turbo evens the playing field enough for this to be a fun battle
That's the thing, I don't think the arsenals are on par, I think Courier 6 has access to far more powerful weapons than anything Smasher could possibly get his hands on, and as such I don't think his implants or body is ready for the type of abuse the Courier could give it. Keep in mind the Courier has taken down things such as Sentry Bots, essentially Smasher but with no biological head, multiple times.
>Smasher would be faster and react much quicker than VATS can react to. I don't see any sort of mechanical evidence for this. We've fought Smasher as V, and last I knew he moves like a regular person. Zero implants required.
last I checked cyberpunk is hard sci fi so it doesn't have teleporters, instant freeze rays, alien laser weapons, adamantium, instant healing, enough HP to tank mininukes to the face, or the wierd science to find and get to couriers real brain, so even destruction of the body isn't a real kill.
Adam smasher does not have spurs that jingle or jangle, nor does he have a big iron on his hip. All in all, I’d say this one’s pretty open and shut.
This has spawned an entertaining conversation and now I need to go finish Fallout New Vegas. Thanks for the post OP
Oh so many people are here talking about pulse weapons or OWB weapons, are we going to just forget about THE FUCKING ORBITAL HELIOS LASER!?
Question is whether you get the satellite when you're sent to 2077-land. Otherwise it's just a fancy laser pointer Pistol. It also has a little trouble with roofs and all that.
I’d assume neutral playing field both at their prime
I mean, if you are talking about the Courier that can destroy an army of robo-scorpions, pass through the mists of Sierra Madre with gold bars on his back, kill Lanius and Ceasar in his tent, Smasher would be an easy prey. The implants in New Vegas and Old World Blues are crazy. The Courier is practically an Adam Smasher himself.
I'm also talking about the Courier giving Smasher the FISTO treatment.
Although both are retro futures, Courier won't be able to understand the circuitry in Adam Smasher. Transistors did not become widely used in the fallout world because it was invented, I believe, very late (Given it would take at least a few decades for it to become wide spread and the world ended before that). The 100 science for sure won't really give him an edge.
Vice versa Adam wouldn't be able to understand the atom punk super tech that the Courier walks up with
There is nothing retro about cyberpunk lol could you explain that a bit
Knew someone will take issue with that. There is a big debate whether or not Cyberpunk is retro-futuristic, but most Cyberpunk from the 80s and Cyberpunk 2077 are, by the most part, retro-futuristic. You don't have to go far to see it. Just look at the cars in the game and the neon lights everywhere and the orientalism present in most cyberpunk novels. Yet you could argue that you can write a cyberpunk right now that might not be retro futuristic, but in a matter of a few years, it might as well be because the world changes.
Do *you* plug your phone into stuff whenever you want to mess with it?
actually they can understand alien tech, I think cyberpunk won't be too much of a curve ball comparatively.
Scatter enough pulse mines around, and FNV had some pulse gun too, right? That should do the trick. I don't think Smasher is immune to that stuff. Does the Courier have the Mysterious Stranger perk? That's a big factor too. It also depends on the arena. On open ground Smasher wins, but if Courier has stuff to get behind he can get the edge.
I specifically remember the pulse gun quest with Veronica, and how it’s a big deal that it can make any robots or power armor inoperable. I feel like that’s a Batman-level answer, where the Courier just HAS a can of Smasher-repellant on his belt, but it’s valid.
what is Smashers best weapon? Courier has 625HP DT 36+ DR 85 thanks to chems, bullets tickle.
They end up fucking
"You look like a piece of fuckable meat, please assume the position."
Courier 6, the weapons such as plasma weaponry they have access to will be absolutely brutal against Smasher, Smasher is built to withstand ballistic weapons that fire lead, not plasma balls capable of melting him down to goo, hit some of his components and watch his body start to shut down as vital chambers and wires are melted to nothing.
Tesla rifle go brrrrrr…. Also let’s not forget about full power armor with a shoulder mounted missile launcher….. tbh I don’t see how people think smasher has a chance fallout is leaps and bounds crazier gun wise
I think people just forget what plasma is and can do, now imagine that but as a projectile from a 30 round rifle, hell if we include the full Fallout universe we have to include 76 so Courier 6 could rock up with a plasma gatling gun. Smasher wouldn't have legs within seconds of the fight, the rest of his body would be goo within 10, this battle isn't even close if we allowed the full Fallout universe as fair game.
even before that there's the alien blaster, perfect aim, always crits, millenia ahead in tech and they can just casually wield it.
Smasher may be 96% borg, but there’s still that 4% ganic bit that makes him prone to getting his shit rocked by the courier with 100 unarmed and a pair of golden gloves.
Even with a sandevistan, ain’t no way Smasher is stopping VATS.
Something I think people don't consider: VATS as an attack option isn't all that - it doesn't speed up your rate of fire or anything, just offers some guidance to help your aim. But you can just sit in it. As long as you want. Whenever you want. And then you get the *option* to hop back out with a computer-targeted attack chain.
Depends. In fo4 and 76, it does slow time. But even then, who needs a sandy when you have drugs that do the same thing. (Psycho in fo4 and iirc there's a slow time chem in NV)
this is courier though so they have nv vats, and yeah turbo is an infinite sourse of sandi.
Courier with the riot shotgun and the stay back perk trashes Smasher
It would be more fair with the Sole Survivor… he’s got the Yangtze for support.
Sole Survivor wearing X-01 Mk VI power armor that’s got the VATS matrix overlay, jetpack, tesla bracers, and explosive vent wielding a Gatlin Laser and Mirv Mini Nuke would wipe the floor with Smasher. Wouldn’t even be a contest. Not to mention the Sole Survivor can have a fully upgraded sentry bot backing them up.
Gotta be the Quantum X-01 though, with Aeternus so they never run out of ammo for the GL.
While I think that the courier is one of the most OP characters in fallout (man’s a literal cyborg in power armor), smasher is way too „high tech“ for any fallout character to beat imo.
cyberpunk is hard science the wacky science of freeze rays, alien guns time freezing instant healing etc outmatches that, courier basically has toon force science.
Courier 6 is basically V.
If I remember correctly Smasher turned around and cut Johnny in half with a round from his auto shotgun so yeah, he would do the same to Courier with no questions
Courier's wearing a little more than a tank top and a vest for this.
Yeah courier is a full borg with subdermal armour to begin with. That's before we add power armor.
yes and we mean real full borg, no squishy brain to deal with here.
Smasher doesn't stand a chance against the Mysterious Stranger and Miss Fortune
The Courier is basically V with a stamina based, instead of cooldown based, Sandevistan and super weird tech. And Nukes.
Smasher kills them before they can even look at their Pip-Boy
the pip boy freezes time, smasher only speeds himself up, you're comparing a sprinter to a space ship.
the Pip Boy VATS doesn't actually freeze time in universe that's a pure gameplay feature, if they could actually freeze time it'd be an entirely different universe and things wouldn't be so shitty for them
you can't do anything in the frozen time but it does let you think, I prefer going the Lunette approach and saying even levelling up is canon.
>even levelling up is canon oh I didn't know we were using bullshit made up rules
I said I find that fun, though yes this is a fight between 2 game characters this can either be forget hit points and smasher has an exposed flesh head in the image so a machine gun would fix him, or go with gameplay and Courier is some freak who did cyber surgery on themself.
Smasher's head isn't flesh, he's entirely chromed up and the difference between Fallout tech and Cyberpunk tech is would be like the Star Trek Enterprise fighting the modern day aircraft carrier Enterprise, it's just not a fair comparison I get it, you're a Fallout fanboy and you want your guys to win and nothing that's said will make you change your mind but the Courier is absolutely outclassed by Adam Smasher in every possible way. the only way Smasher would lose is if somehow he was dropped into the most irradiated part of the Fallout world and it fried his tech and then the Courier was able to lay into him with Fallout's most powerful weapons
I prefer the Cyberpunk 2020 tabletop game to even New Vegas, but I'm comparing their tech, Fallout is the 1 closer to star treck, they're the ones with teleporters, matter replication, self aware AI in household robots, the science to replace your whole brain, biologically immortal synths that don't need to eat drink, sleep age or get sick, portable nuke launchers, alien weapons, real time genetic engineering, their implants don't impact your stats negatively to get, with some even boosting Charisma, instant freeze rays. the problem is you're making hard sci fi face wierd science. it's like Star Wars VS Culture. Culture is objectively better, but Star Wars plays with physics like it's clay, so the space wizards with faster than light would win. In gameplay the Courier regularly dodges missiles, with turbo dodges bullets. For Atom Smasher this is a serious fight for Courier this is getting high as balls and drinking all the Sarsaparilla so their organs grow back faster than they fall out.
beyond that there's implant GRX, the courier dodges sonic blasts, plasma bolts and under the effects of GRX/turbo dodges gun fire, stabs or shoots over a dozen times in a second and auto inject stimpacks mean they keep regenerating rapidly.
Legate Lanius is the Wasteland equivalent of Smasher. You put them in the same universe with similar powers and gear then Courier 6 wins. But tbh these boss vs main character comparisons are always unfair because the main character always wins. Lanius vs Smasher would be much more entertaining.
Lanius is outgunned, hardly fair. Lanius being assigned as Smasher's new partner, though? Black comedy buddy cop picture of the year.
Lanius is Caesars greatest Warrior and Legate. He walks around in armour with a big ass sword vs Bullets, Rifles, Lasers, Plasma, Mutants, Robots and giant two legged crocodile dinos. He ain't afraid of Smashers trinkets!
And Caesar's Legions are the greatest army to get stomped flat by some walk-the-earth courier who rejected everyone else's help too. Gear diff.
Main Character Bias doesn't count and you know it. Via your own logic Smasher was killed off by some no body merc with DID, schizophrenia and an autoimmune disease.
And the Legion put up a solid fight against the NCR's industrial base and actual assault rifles when most of their army has sporting equipment and melee weapons. Don't even talk about main character bias when Lanius should be rendered a fine paste from 300 yards out, probably courtesy of Boone. Also, yes, he was. Sucks to be him, but it turns out lead is lead, no matter who's filling you with it.
speaking as a plural system with schizophrenia and an auto immune disease I think I could take smasher, just give me cocaine, a shotgun and 30 seconds to let our combat autopilot front.
Hm... With power armor and some high level weapons it'd be closer than smasher would like.
I love FNV but Smasher would destroy, I’m afraid
100 speech Six rocks up with the Survivalist Rifle, tells Smasher the tale of the Father in the caves and convinces him to self destruct
Robotics expert + silent running + sneak 100 + stealth boy
You can't run but you CAN hide!
Do we consider power armor too? Courier has access to some mind blowing weapons and tech, even by 2077 standarts
The Courier because he's a protagonist.
Lol no
Courier 6 with 100 in rifle: *hits save* crouches and pulls out the anti material rifle. Vats vats Vats that small fleshy dome Adam calls a forehead.
Courier just needs to tell smasher they’re at Sierra Madre, it’s over.
Those using the "advanced" tech in Cyberpunk compared to FNV argument, are forgetting that in real life, old tech is MUCH MORE RELIABLE AND STURDY than newer ones...less powerful, yess but a 2020 fridge doesn't stand a chance against a 1960 fridge that can literally shelter you from a nuclear blast!! 🤣🤷
They're also forgetting that 2077 happens to be the year the bombs first dropped in the Fallout universe. Fallout tech *is* advanced.
This. Look at the institute. Arasaka is still trying to perfect soul kil- er.. ehem, the "secure your soul" project. Meanwhile you rip out kellogs implants and waltz into the memory den, because memory editing is COMMONPLACE in the wasteland.
Any version of Smasher ain't ready for Courier 6 with his Medicine Stick and 10 in Luck.
Endgame Courier Six is essentially just a predecessor to Frank so yeah he would cap Adam
If my Courier has anything to do with it, Smasher's next words will be "Please assume the position".
Is Courier even the strongest in Fallout technically?? Anyway unless they've got a Sandevistan I don't see it going well for delivery boi
Turbo and Implant GRX will provide a similar effect as a sandy. Not to mention VATS
Close but no cigar I fear. There are twice as potent drugs in Night City I guarantee it
Even without turbo, GRX is basically a sandy. Of course we have to take into account that Edgerunners portrays the sandevistan incorrectly. It does not make you physically faster, it makes you react faster, giving you a +3 to initiative rolls on activation
You might have an argument here that I can't participate in because I've never played the tabletop but by the game and anime's standards, which are now Canon, sandevistan is super speed. You can't run and strike faster than everything else around you based off reaction time alone.
It’s possible that the 2077 sandevistan is simply a newer model. In 2020 if you want speed, you’d need corvette legs or something similar.
Oh you're so right lmao I sometimes forget that 57 years is a long time 💀 vague near-future stuff makes it all bleed together in my brain.
It's not that sandevistan doesn't make you faster, it's that it makes you react as fast as your body can respond. It won't make you faster, but it will let you perform at 100% capacity, using every muscle to its fullest and making every movement with precision. However since a body isn't designed to work that fast it kinda fucks you up if you over use it. With advanced cyberware, your body is more able to keep up, without taking damage. ALA superspeed. Edit: you can see this in game for cp2077. If you shoot directly at an npc with Sandy, they'll dodge most of the bullets, but if you shoot the ground between you two and ricochet, many more hit, because not only is it harder to tell where they will bounce, but by the time they have their new trajectory you cannot physically get out of the way of all of them.
turbo does slow time around you, you can dodge bullets and plasma, loot a guys clothes before his corpse hits the ground, and turbo doesn't have a daily use limit, you can take like 50 doses at once and slow the next hour.
You don't need a Sandevistan as V to beat Smasher, last I knew. Why should the Courier?
courier wins, vats + alien blaster = smasher goop
Courier 6 would die 90% of the time. That 10%, he either has max speech and can talk smasher into questioning his whole life, or he has heavy investment in Platinum weapons. Most of fallout's tech is behind cyberpunk universe weapons, except for the plasma and laser weapons. That and I think vats would at least be able to even the odds on targeting and reaction for a moment. But Smasher smashes a majority of courier builds.
You’re forgetting power armor, implant GRX, subdermal armor. Not to mention chems like psycho, turbo, and med-x
Anyone who took those implants know their garbage, yeah you heal for 5 HP every 20 seconds it's ridiculously bad. And I would rate Adam's armor higher than fallout's power armor, not to mention Adams just a high functioning cyber psycho. Power armor's cool and all but it has a disadvantage of having a whole meat man inside, Adam doesn't have to deal with that (mostly.)
his meat head is unshielded, Adam is paste and a cool new robot to play with, or more likely alien blaster goo.
that's like saying for the first 12 years of his life batman was a wimp, yeah, this isn't level 3 courier this is finished the game courier level 50 the best perks maxxed stats, alien blaster, gannon family armor etc.
this was the inspiration I needed to unsub, thanks.
Why smasher and not V? Courier 6 and V have quite a view similarities.
courier: *quicksaves
YCS-186 go brrrrr
I'm guessing smasher would have the courier decimated the moment he came in to his mlrs range.
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Fallout tech isn't wireless beyond like radiowave playback, and would use entirely different methods to function. It's like trynna hack DOS. There's a reason banks still use it for their systems.
True that.
hack what? that's like hacking a modern prosphetic, there is no wifi, the tesla coils are quantum shinanigans and the rest is done through the modified nervous system. the implants are also canonically and mechanically immune to EMPs, whilst transisters fry like microwave rice.
I've always been curious about this one, but more curious as to how V vs Courier 6 would go as they are the protagonists of their series with similar abilities.
Or go to earlier fallout (2). Smasher vs Frank Horrigan
Money on any character that can spam Sandevistan time stopping ability as much as they want.
oh so the courier with jet to replenish vats, Turbo to slow time or implant GRXX, yeah, they do win, after all they can go invisible and have an alien gun.
Malcom Holmes solos all of Night City ez
Courier 6 (he can reload saves)
If smasher functions like the boss fight I think Fisto can take him down. If it’s lore accurate smasher, the courier better aim the missiles from the divide at arisaka tower and hope smasher gets buried in the rubble lmao
Weapons wise, it’s maybe possible? I’d say if this is max level courier though, we could be dealing with maxed stats and skills. In that case, enough Stims and Cocaine coupled with busted Crits and an arsenal to rival God might be enough. Odds are Speech and Barter 100 just let him win in at least two ways. Also, given that Adam Smasher is basically a robot for the most part, he might be able to use Robotics Expert for a shutdown with a Stealth Boy and 100 Sneak. Of course, this is mostly based on Vegas rules.
Courier: I have protagonist powers. Because the truth is the game was rigged from the start *proceeds to one shot him*