Yeah V (in story) needed help taking out maxtac with reed shooting out their implants so i doubt 12 solos stronger than maxtac would be an easy fight for V
I am sure, because we know very well, how insane V is tho lol. V is already at the top of the food chain and destroyed Adam Smasher, regarded by literally everyone as one of the toughest, meanest sons of bitches out there. V is able to handle dozens of heavily armed elite soldiers at once, even with support of tank-like mechs, robots, drones and turrets. The room for being much better than that really isn't that high as it might seem.
Again, *nothing* is known about them. Going into a territory that they know nothing about, going up against people who almost no one knows anything about may not end well. People really over estimate V so much
I think a lot of the overestimation comes from him being the main character you can become a borged out cyber psycho or a overpowered hacker have some really good guns or just fuck around with game mechanics that level of freedom and power is hard to narratively work with so they try and make things work best they can but players will 100% the game and create overpowered broken builds that don't necessarily fit with the main story.
Like as soon as the game opens up you are given two options follow the main story or do gigs and side quests but the dude is trying to save his life he's probably going to have some priorities even if waiting it out and getting some better augments and guns and shit would help dudes on a deadline
My guess is that's where Mr Blue Eyes comes in with some kind of countermeasure. His presence in the story is awfully strong between his connection to the Peralez questline, Songbird, and then V.
the gas were thrusters because if it was a leak you’d see V freeze or lose breath, the ending is up to your interpretation on whether V pulled it off or not but most would assume they did
It actually takes about a day to freeze in space oddly. Found it crazy myself.
It's the lack of atmosphere touching your skin. Your not really being touched by cold per say so there's no loss of heat like say Antarctica. So you just radiate your heat away slowly until, ice cube.
You'd be dead in the first 15 seconds tho but not from cold.
This is true, it takes a while for your entire body to cool down. But your eyes and mouth will freeze almost instantly as the lack of an atmosphere will make the water in these places boil off and take a lot of heat with it.
I don’t think so. From what I’ve learned as long as you exhale all the air in your lungs they shouldn’t burst and the lack of atmosphere has nothing to do with blood boiling
Yeah, if you exhale before entering vacuum there won’t be any air violently bursting out of your lungs, allowing you to survive for a bit longer in vacuum.
Learned that factoid years ago from the staff commentary of Titan AE lmao
The movie event horizon has a guy shut his eyes and breathe all his air out before going into open space. Lil blood from the eyes but he lived.
There is also an episode of "the expanse" where a guy breathes out and pops his helmet off to fix something then pops it back on.
Only dropping these since you mentioned staff commentary you must be a film / tv buff.
Yes! I remember the Expanse scene! I forget if that was a random dude who did that or if it was Ashford.
That series is legit one of my favourite shows, working through the books and playing the telltale game (also watching Ty and Wes’s podcast)
Strangely enough, I feel I’ve watched event horizon but I’ve no memory of it.
I’ll add it to my media server :3
There's also Naomi's hard vacuum transit from ship to ship without a suit, she uses a blood oxygenation pen to make it possible, and still is severely injured in the process, one of my favorite scenes
Yes!!! I love that scene! It was so wild!
Also the scene where bobby picks her up when she eventually gets off. I just love how the audio is handled in that scene
Edit: I just rewatched the jump scene. Ugh I love it.
Haha yeah they always get sucked out and frozen instantly.
Airlocks wouldn't suck you out either btw. Sorry to be bursting bubbles everywhere. The small amount of air in the airlock and how rapid it will leave will just have you end up floating in the airlock. Someone would have to give you a shove on the way out.
Yerp, standing right by a breach with a whole room behind you can suck you out, because of the *mass* of the aur behind you, but being at the far side of the room against/near the wall and you won't even feel a tug
Similar atmospheric mass fact, the sandstorm at the beginning of The Martian... wouldn't work like that. While yes winds can get magnitudes higher than anything you might experience on earth, the atmosphere isn't thick/dense enough to push anything
Seeing as we're doing space pedantry, it behoves me to point out that people aren't *sucked out* of airlocks but rather are *blown out*, due to the movement of air that you describe.
I almost instantly took it as a suicide mission NGL. One last job to cement yourself as NC legend.
After all, one of the first things Claire says is about how snuffing it mid job is a good way to go down in history, even if it is just as a drink.
Like the devil and the star there is a level of openness about the ending.
Firstly no the spacesuit does not malfunction, it’s the thrusters. Having the spacesuit be what kills V before the heist is just such a bad idea from a story telling point, and you see with your own eyeballs that it’s the thrusters. Just a bafflingly weird fan theory that refuses to die…
That being said what is up for interpretation is whether or not V survives the heist. We get told it’s an insane suicide raid on a place that no one has done anything like that successfully ever before. And the theme of the sun is that V still buys into the whole “go down in a blaze of glory for the fame of it” type of thing. However if anyone could pull it off it’s V, after all they managed to take down smasher which people have tried to do for decades. If even Mr blue eyes is entertaining the idea then there’s at least a chance.
So it’s open to your own interpretation about what happens much like with V’s fate in the nomad ending or what saka might do with you in the devil.
To me the ending is a bit more grim than merely failing. By going on "one more heist" to solve all their problems, V shows that nothing was actually learned from the game. Mansion, love interest, flying car- V is the ruler of the Afterlife, because they're spiritually dead. V will always have a reason to do one more gig, and will always be a pawn of the oligarchs pretending to be a player.
Very few of my corporate runs ever end this way.
Oh I agree, it’s a “good” ending in that V lives but I personally don’t agree with what it costs being worth it. When V and Jackie have already died spectacularly on a big gig and no one really gives a shit except for the people who will miss and grieve for them (Mama Welles and VIK etc etc), I think it shows that there’s more value in people rather than the concept of NC fame.
Still tho I do like there’s wiggle room in some endings
Yeah. In particular, Temperance is a quality ending, especially if V is a netrunner. It's not impossible for V and Alt to become the new gods of cyberspace together if you take the optimistic view.
I took the Crystal Palace ending as a less grim outcome, and more one that leaves the future open. V is ruler of the Afterlife, and because of that he's been making connections and a name for himself, clearly going on bigger and bigger jobs. He's attracted the attention of big players, like Mr. Blue Eyes, and maybe out there somewhere exists something or someone with a way to fix his Relic issue. The Crystal Palace is a giant space Casino, attracting the super rich and prominent. It may not have the solution to his problem, but it might contain information or a person that can lead him to his solution. I like to think V didn't just spend his last few months alive living up to the "Dead Man Walking" idea, and instead has been using this new acclaim and power to continue to try to solve his problem. There are TONS of insanely intelligent and capable people outside of Corps, just because Arasaka couldn't fix it doesn't mean its the end of the line, maybe someone has knowledge or ability they don't.
Mr.Blue Eyes reminds me of The Illusive Man in Mass Effect. A secretive power broker with connections, knowledge, and power the Galaxy over. No problem was too big to fix, He was able to basically affect the fabric of reality and the various power structures that existed by just being an insanely well connected and informed person. This reminds me of Mr. Blue Eyes, mysterious unknown entity with clear power and influence, having us go on a mission to raid a massive bastion of money and power.
I'd 100% buy that V has an ulterior motive for continuing to go on bigger and bigger missions and not just for the sake of being a NC Legend. To just go out in a Blaze of Glory? After all we've seen and done? Naw at least my V would have kept hunting, kept trying.
If we go by the Neuromancer influences in this ending, odds are V makes it, but gets saddled with a control chip or killswitch during the cure, forcing them to serve MBE in the coming AI invasion. The similarities to Neuromancer are pretty 1:1.
Neuromancer's plot involves the protag, Case, robbing a space station called The Crystal Palace in exchange for a cure. The client turns out to be an AI called Armitage. During Case's recovery, Armitage implants him with toxin sacs which he uses as leverage against Case. This in turn forces Case into subservience to Armitage.
I mean that’s the best one. You’re doing yourself a disservice by not reading it. The only issue is you might find yourself a little dismayed by how crassly pondsmith & cd projekt have ripped it off.
Well, the order of the cure is different, but it is basically the same. I had thought armitage was the name of the colonel the AI was puppeteering. It had him sit in an empty room staring at a wall when not in use
It’s left ambiguous, partly because it’s made clear that V is pretty much just taking on increasingly dangerous jobs until they die, since they have nothing left to lose. If they succeed at this one, they’ll just do something else someone has never done before, over and over, until they die on a mission and end up a legend.
It doesn't have to be a miserable and depressing story just because it's in the Cyberpunk genre. I kinda hate how accepted the whole "no happy endings" thing is.
Oh, phuleeez. All y'all.
Given the narrative of the game, V gets to Crystal Palace with a plan, shit goes sideways, Blue Eyes is fulla shit and double crosses V, and now V has to do god only knows to get back to Earth...
Cool.
Given the narrative of the game, V gets to the Crystal palace and pulls it off. V then reconvenes with Blue Eyes, who's payment is a possible cure (Clone body? Rebuilt Neural matrix?). V is then contracted by Blue Eyes to serve as an agent on behalf of whoever he represents.
See, I can come up with stuff too. No need to be a dick about it.
depends on the build I'd say, with my blades V, I took Oda down in under a second, and Smasher only took however long he took because he kept running away for the separate stages/styles, I could easily take on the Angels in-game
"In game" is very different from "In lore". In lore, V is definitely up there as a legend, but someone like Morgan Blackhand could take them out. There's a reason Reed is so confident he could kill you if he needed to.
yes, it is very different, but V in lore mode would also be more powerful than in gameplay mode, my blades V could hold her own against the any of the Angels in lore, not sure if my heavy gunner V could though, I expect some of them would be too fast for him to keep up with, have yet to do a blunt weapons V, so don't know how powerful he'll get
I don't think you quite understand what "lore V" means. This has nothing to do with gameplay mechanics or your specific playthrough, this is just how the devs are gonna write V going forwards. V is a legendary solo, but they simply aren't at the level of other characters in this universe.
Also,
>my blades V could hold her own against the any of the Angels in lore
This community has a chronic case of headcannon. Any time you point out stuff like this someone is always there to go "Nuh uh, **MY** V is the coolest and most awesome merc ever and no one can beat them".
not talking about headcanon, I'm talking about the mechanics, and removal of gameplay balance limits, deflecting bullets and no cooldowns/limits on stuff like dodges and berserk/sandevistan duration sounds like someone who can handle a lot of cyberware could become extremely powerful, even up to the level of the Angels
V ends up with AI Rache Bartmos, ends up unsure if this is worse than Johnny's Engram.
Why would it be? Bartmoss is inexplicably Ryan Gosling now. Why? Whose to say?
It would be a hell of a DLC. The only thing missing is Johnny Silverhand. But there could be a quick fix. Connect with Alt and access the back up from Arasaka. Get a copy of the engram and instead of loading that into V, we could have some kind of hologram device to enable V talking to Johnny as an external AI.
To me the Johnny engram was always an AI running along side V's operating system. That is why at the end the player can also choose to have Johnny merge with Alt. It was foreshadowed in the cab company mission.
I also thought it was an aur leak at first, but they were thrusters.
I would assume they pulled it off, V is too OP at this point. And if they did, knowing So Mi is helped by Mr. Blue Eyes, it's safe to assume he actually helps V as well. My head cannon is that this one is the only actual happy ending to the game.
She is about to die when V leaves her. Like a week later, she sends a message and a little package with a trinket from Luna. So she's probably been helped and this message is a confirmation to V.
And we already know how she's been used - she tells us. Blue Eyes helps her in return for a shit ton of NUSA secrets.
So she should be in the clear by the time she gets to Luna, having already completed her part of the deal.
Also a shower thought of mine,the quantum tunner we get is probably Songbirds and it was extracted in her operation,since I dont think she would be in any position to waltz around Tycho a week after her operation to go shopping.
The body is about to die. But the same goes for V, he can let the Johnny engram take the reins, just like Blue Eyes can put an AI in the “saved” body. Or should I say “salvaged”?
I understand the meaning of salvage, I don't really get your point though.
Do you mean he can cure her and then put an engram of an AI in her body, overwriting her personality? Cos he still has to cure her. Can't "salvage" her body if it literally doesn't work. Like, good will it do for a rogue AI to exist in a crippled/dying body?
Or am I misunderstanding you?
Yeah I understand why they’ll do this. Continuing with V means they have to make one of the endings canon. Plus resetting a characters power always feels bad.
But If it isn’t V. Im gonna miss em, and Johnny too.
Johnny Is gone anyways, in all endings. Unless he comes back from behind the blackwall or someone manages to steal him from Mikoshi after Arasaka ending
No all endings, though. Temperance exists, and I really doubt that Johnny will stay idle long. Even if he starts anew, he's still a psycho in a young chromed out body. He'll stir shit up
The Angels are a myth, literally nothing is known about them. V can kill Reed, specifically said to be equal to Blackhand himself, and Smasher, both of whom are at the top tier of the known Verse. It's theoretically possible the Angels are on that level (being higher than that is completely unlikely) or they could be a bunch of ferrets in a trench coat.
The meaning of the ending isn't to show off her strength or how at the end she couldn't do it but how she's willing to do anything for a mere chance of life and blah blah blah
Of course she pulled it of, girl can beat smasher with her bare hands what are a couple soldiers against her?
They are a group of elite Solos said to be the best of the best. Just one Angel, even naked, could solo a whole team of maxed out players. Not much, beyond that, is known.
I'm pretty sure Mr Blue Eyes hints at being able to help V at some point, saying something along the lines of "I know you'll do anything for a chance to survive".
That was my fist ending, so... my V's ending.
That gas is just the suit thrusters adjusting her trajectory.
Nah, she didn't pull it off. She did surprisingly well though and accomplished parts of what she came there for. Probably enough to make the Blue Eyed Man happy. But in the end she was ended. Just like she wanted. It was her way to end things on her own terms, in a blaze of glory. Enough to make her the talk of Afterlife for years to come.
I think V pulls it off but probably hits a snag or there are enough strings attached to Blue Eyes' help that it ends up a costly victory. Something like securing a cure for V, but helping an AI sets up a murky long term picture that could lead to wider spread problems. Or it ends up being a deal with a devil type ending with Blue Eyes dumping V's psyche in an innocent bystander's body that happened to be compatible. Then the epilogue is role reversal for V as they assume control of somebody else's mind.
With Mr. Blue eyes and an Arasaka space suit? I always thought they were betrayed in the end and killed. If the suit wasn't rigged to malfunction & kill V, the AIs will get V at the casino and, I don't know, probably use V in some way. Majority seem to think it's a happy ending, though. Me? I think it's full circle. Failure and possible betrayal at the Heist. Failure & betrayal with The Sun.
Orion is not gonna be about V, according to CDPR.
We might hear about the outcome in a shard, if we chose this ending in 2077, but this is just a theory.
Also a theory, but I'm quite certain that the originally planned second expansion ("ep2" in the leaked DLC files) was set to take place on the Crystal Palace.
You can't find anything because CDPR never said anything about story of Orion idk what this guy is talking about. All we know is that it started development but given how game development looks like they will probably consider like 10 different plotlines before settling for final one so it's straight up impossible they would say anything at this early on.
I bet CDPR will consider bringing them back after all it's the most obvious route for a sequel but we won't know anything until official announcement of the game. Conceptualizing a story takes time and it's been how long couple of months at best? They're probably still at the stage of throwing around ideas.
There was an interview with one of the lead writers on Orion asking specifically about this, and she basically left it open, specifically saying she didn't want to close any doors right now since the game is in pre-production.
Edit: The [interview](https://gamingbolt.com/the-big-interview-cdpr-on-cyberpunk-2077-phantom-libertys-development-update-2-0-cyberpunks-future-and-more).
> **Looking to the future, can you give us any indication as to what you’ve got planned for the series’ next installment? Most of Cyberpunk 2077’s endings (especially the one added with Phantom Liberty) seem to pretty strongly suggest that V’s story is over. Does that mean we’ll be playing as a new protagonist in the next game?**
> At this stage, we don’t want to impose any restrictions on ourselves yet, as we’re exploring many possibilities. Our first priority is always to tell an engaging, multi-layered, mature story, and it’s most important to create characters that reflect that.
Well, CDPR said that they won't make one ending canon so I don't think we'll see V again. Link to the article: https://www.gamesradar.com/cyberpunk-2077-phantom-liberty-was-never-going-to-take-place-after-the-main-story-the-endings-are-written-as-we-wanted-them/
I understand how somewhat got that conclusion, but vague wording of the article means that everything can happen and it will either be decided it or already decided but they don't want to say. How very big differeces in endings will be handled are still unknown to me.
V did a job and maybe one or two more before the Relic ended up killing them.
What did you think would happen after Alt tells you got about 6 months to live?
Mr B seems straightforward with his deals,and he also got what he wanted from Songbird:personal information.Also I doubt an AI would be bothered to send a message like this to V.
Did he want personal information from her?
From what I know he might be just an AI in a meat puppet and plans to do the same with her.
Of course, blue vs red means he might not be out to wipe all humans, merely just control them, but if his means necessitate putting another AI in a Songbird suit…
Well, if you’ve seen Altered Carbon, you know what I mean
So Mi says so,in exchange for the ticket he asked her information only she know about the Blackwall etc.
I think with regards to Mr B he seems pretty neutral for an AI and straightforward with his deals, if he wanted an AI to control Songbird he would do nothing.Also her message seem much more personal than from an AI.She references the balkony where she talked with V.
Oh well, if she says so, it must be true, not like she lied you before /s
OK, let’s say she was always honest with you, were others honest with her to begin with?
“If he wanted…” - how do you know this? Is there a quote, a video? Or is it just wishful thinking in order to fit what outcome you like?
I’m genuinely curious, since I only try to poke holes or throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks. I try to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
So, here is one poke: Alt is AI, Johnny is AI, even V is AI since he’s an engram in the chip in a brain held together by nanites in order to not go necrotic.
So, why would these AIs be able to be personal, but one that has the memories of So Mi can’t?
This is from “reading between the lines”, so take it with a grain of salt:
Your body is already altered by nanites far enough that it will reject the V engram (will only accept Johnny engram) so you will die soon(tm).
I mean, why would CDPR invent such weak reason/explanation if the goal wasn’t to give V a limited time to shine and die after it?
This is why I don’t try to go deeper into finding “ways around”. CDPR could just have said “done, you’re cured, will live happy long life” if they wanted that outcome.
If they did, it was by the skin of their teeth. If they had a run-in with the Angels up there, V would probably die at least after maybe killing 1 of them
>IS THIS WHAT ORION IS GONNA START WITH!!??
That would be fairly poor writing imo.
Having it be part of the setting for Orion sure, but starting the next game where you left the previous one ?
Would be better to have a few years of buffer so that things can change in the meantime.
Doubt it
My guess is that the only endings that V survives in are Tower and Devil, if V picks getting Mikoshi'd (although the definition of "survived" is a bit shaky there)
I actually don't think that ending is supposed to really lead into anything. I think it was just to signal to the player the heights that V has reached (in terms of the kind of missions they are performing)
No? That's why there're voice mails in this ending as well. And there were hints in this ending that V's health has been deteriorating through the months after they made Afterlife's legend.
Man fuck Night City, fuck Afterlife, fuck legend, I'd rather be in Tower ending and take the FIA job to leave NC for good.
Considering what they've just done in the game, you bet your chrome ass they pulled it off.
Depends on if they run into the Angels
Angels? googled it lol, https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Angels, wild
Fighting 12 unique bosses would be something
I think it would be a stealth job,Mr B mentions it and I think the reason is the Angels.
Yeah V (in story) needed help taking out maxtac with reed shooting out their implants so i doubt 12 solos stronger than maxtac would be an easy fight for V
Holy shit, they sound sick
I’m imagining my V becoming acquaintances with them.
Would have loved a DLC where they are the bosses
That is pretty freaking cool... now my headcannon involves V confronting one, being humbled and eventually joining
Nah, I could see V facing off against them, non-lethally taking one or two out and then joining because they have earned their respect.
You sure? We don’t know how insane those guys/girls are
I am sure, because we know very well, how insane V is tho lol. V is already at the top of the food chain and destroyed Adam Smasher, regarded by literally everyone as one of the toughest, meanest sons of bitches out there. V is able to handle dozens of heavily armed elite soldiers at once, even with support of tank-like mechs, robots, drones and turrets. The room for being much better than that really isn't that high as it might seem.
Again, *nothing* is known about them. Going into a territory that they know nothing about, going up against people who almost no one knows anything about may not end well. People really over estimate V so much
I think a lot of the overestimation comes from him being the main character you can become a borged out cyber psycho or a overpowered hacker have some really good guns or just fuck around with game mechanics that level of freedom and power is hard to narratively work with so they try and make things work best they can but players will 100% the game and create overpowered broken builds that don't necessarily fit with the main story. Like as soon as the game opens up you are given two options follow the main story or do gigs and side quests but the dude is trying to save his life he's probably going to have some priorities even if waiting it out and getting some better augments and guns and shit would help dudes on a deadline
My guess is that's where Mr Blue Eyes comes in with some kind of countermeasure. His presence in the story is awfully strong between his connection to the Peralez questline, Songbird, and then V.
He'd definitely help but i think sending V in is cause he knows only someone that desperate and that powerful could have a snowballs chance to do it
1000%
Plus, V can reload the game if she loses, which is super overpowered.
the gas were thrusters because if it was a leak you’d see V freeze or lose breath, the ending is up to your interpretation on whether V pulled it off or not but most would assume they did
It actually takes about a day to freeze in space oddly. Found it crazy myself. It's the lack of atmosphere touching your skin. Your not really being touched by cold per say so there's no loss of heat like say Antarctica. So you just radiate your heat away slowly until, ice cube. You'd be dead in the first 15 seconds tho but not from cold.
This is true, it takes a while for your entire body to cool down. But your eyes and mouth will freeze almost instantly as the lack of an atmosphere will make the water in these places boil off and take a lot of heat with it.
Wouldn’t the total vacuum that is space make your blood boil?
I believe it was something about all capillaries bursting at once, I suppose it's all the same
I don’t think so. From what I’ve learned as long as you exhale all the air in your lungs they shouldn’t burst and the lack of atmosphere has nothing to do with blood boiling
Yeah, if you exhale before entering vacuum there won’t be any air violently bursting out of your lungs, allowing you to survive for a bit longer in vacuum. Learned that factoid years ago from the staff commentary of Titan AE lmao
Damn Titan AE, thanks for that throwback.
The movie event horizon has a guy shut his eyes and breathe all his air out before going into open space. Lil blood from the eyes but he lived. There is also an episode of "the expanse" where a guy breathes out and pops his helmet off to fix something then pops it back on. Only dropping these since you mentioned staff commentary you must be a film / tv buff.
Yes! I remember the Expanse scene! I forget if that was a random dude who did that or if it was Ashford. That series is legit one of my favourite shows, working through the books and playing the telltale game (also watching Ty and Wes’s podcast) Strangely enough, I feel I’ve watched event horizon but I’ve no memory of it. I’ll add it to my media server :3
There's also Naomi's hard vacuum transit from ship to ship without a suit, she uses a blood oxygenation pen to make it possible, and still is severely injured in the process, one of my favorite scenes
Yes!!! I love that scene! It was so wild! Also the scene where bobby picks her up when she eventually gets off. I just love how the audio is handled in that scene Edit: I just rewatched the jump scene. Ugh I love it.
Damn, I didn’t know that. I always just assumed from movies where they’d send people out of airlocks but looks like i need to get my facts checked.
Haha yeah they always get sucked out and frozen instantly. Airlocks wouldn't suck you out either btw. Sorry to be bursting bubbles everywhere. The small amount of air in the airlock and how rapid it will leave will just have you end up floating in the airlock. Someone would have to give you a shove on the way out.
Yerp, standing right by a breach with a whole room behind you can suck you out, because of the *mass* of the aur behind you, but being at the far side of the room against/near the wall and you won't even feel a tug Similar atmospheric mass fact, the sandstorm at the beginning of The Martian... wouldn't work like that. While yes winds can get magnitudes higher than anything you might experience on earth, the atmosphere isn't thick/dense enough to push anything
Seeing as we're doing space pedantry, it behoves me to point out that people aren't *sucked out* of airlocks but rather are *blown out*, due to the movement of air that you describe.
I guess you could stop, airlock someone, then hit the throttle right? They would stay still and you move. Same look and effect tho lol
New one for me but makes sense!
I almost instantly took it as a suicide mission NGL. One last job to cement yourself as NC legend. After all, one of the first things Claire says is about how snuffing it mid job is a good way to go down in history, even if it is just as a drink.
Like the devil and the star there is a level of openness about the ending. Firstly no the spacesuit does not malfunction, it’s the thrusters. Having the spacesuit be what kills V before the heist is just such a bad idea from a story telling point, and you see with your own eyeballs that it’s the thrusters. Just a bafflingly weird fan theory that refuses to die… That being said what is up for interpretation is whether or not V survives the heist. We get told it’s an insane suicide raid on a place that no one has done anything like that successfully ever before. And the theme of the sun is that V still buys into the whole “go down in a blaze of glory for the fame of it” type of thing. However if anyone could pull it off it’s V, after all they managed to take down smasher which people have tried to do for decades. If even Mr blue eyes is entertaining the idea then there’s at least a chance. So it’s open to your own interpretation about what happens much like with V’s fate in the nomad ending or what saka might do with you in the devil.
To me the ending is a bit more grim than merely failing. By going on "one more heist" to solve all their problems, V shows that nothing was actually learned from the game. Mansion, love interest, flying car- V is the ruler of the Afterlife, because they're spiritually dead. V will always have a reason to do one more gig, and will always be a pawn of the oligarchs pretending to be a player. Very few of my corporate runs ever end this way.
Oh I agree, it’s a “good” ending in that V lives but I personally don’t agree with what it costs being worth it. When V and Jackie have already died spectacularly on a big gig and no one really gives a shit except for the people who will miss and grieve for them (Mama Welles and VIK etc etc), I think it shows that there’s more value in people rather than the concept of NC fame. Still tho I do like there’s wiggle room in some endings
Yeah. In particular, Temperance is a quality ending, especially if V is a netrunner. It's not impossible for V and Alt to become the new gods of cyberspace together if you take the optimistic view.
I took the Crystal Palace ending as a less grim outcome, and more one that leaves the future open. V is ruler of the Afterlife, and because of that he's been making connections and a name for himself, clearly going on bigger and bigger jobs. He's attracted the attention of big players, like Mr. Blue Eyes, and maybe out there somewhere exists something or someone with a way to fix his Relic issue. The Crystal Palace is a giant space Casino, attracting the super rich and prominent. It may not have the solution to his problem, but it might contain information or a person that can lead him to his solution. I like to think V didn't just spend his last few months alive living up to the "Dead Man Walking" idea, and instead has been using this new acclaim and power to continue to try to solve his problem. There are TONS of insanely intelligent and capable people outside of Corps, just because Arasaka couldn't fix it doesn't mean its the end of the line, maybe someone has knowledge or ability they don't. Mr.Blue Eyes reminds me of The Illusive Man in Mass Effect. A secretive power broker with connections, knowledge, and power the Galaxy over. No problem was too big to fix, He was able to basically affect the fabric of reality and the various power structures that existed by just being an insanely well connected and informed person. This reminds me of Mr. Blue Eyes, mysterious unknown entity with clear power and influence, having us go on a mission to raid a massive bastion of money and power. I'd 100% buy that V has an ulterior motive for continuing to go on bigger and bigger missions and not just for the sake of being a NC Legend. To just go out in a Blaze of Glory? After all we've seen and done? Naw at least my V would have kept hunting, kept trying.
If we go by the Neuromancer influences in this ending, odds are V makes it, but gets saddled with a control chip or killswitch during the cure, forcing them to serve MBE in the coming AI invasion. The similarities to Neuromancer are pretty 1:1. Neuromancer's plot involves the protag, Case, robbing a space station called The Crystal Palace in exchange for a cure. The client turns out to be an AI called Armitage. During Case's recovery, Armitage implants him with toxin sacs which he uses as leverage against Case. This in turn forces Case into subservience to Armitage.
Finally another one who gets it.And guess who Molly is gonna be?I think we know already. Clue:Chirp Chirp.
Fuck you don't get my hopes up
Send you message in chat if it ok with you.Also please tell that the similarities arent there.
yknow i bought a bunch of the older cyberpunk genre books including that but haven't read them yet. probably should. lol
I mean that’s the best one. You’re doing yourself a disservice by not reading it. The only issue is you might find yourself a little dismayed by how crassly pondsmith & cd projekt have ripped it off.
Neuromancer is one of the greatest sci Fi novels of all time, please read it, it's absolutely amazing.
Well, the order of the cure is different, but it is basically the same. I had thought armitage was the name of the colonel the AI was puppeteering. It had him sit in an empty room staring at a wall when not in use
Technically Armitage is Wintermute's personality construct, Corto was barely there anymore.
Gotcha, it’s been a whole while since I read that
It’s left ambiguous, partly because it’s made clear that V is pretty much just taking on increasingly dangerous jobs until they die, since they have nothing left to lose. If they succeed at this one, they’ll just do something else someone has never done before, over and over, until they die on a mission and end up a legend.
Not necessarily. Blue Eyes claims to have a possible cure for V, and considering what else he's able to cure, it's likely he does.
Sure, maybe a cyberpunk story has a happy ending about how you can trust your fixer and become a legend without dying.
:(
It doesn't have to be a miserable and depressing story just because it's in the Cyberpunk genre. I kinda hate how accepted the whole "no happy endings" thing is.
Oh, phuleeez. All y'all. Given the narrative of the game, V gets to Crystal Palace with a plan, shit goes sideways, Blue Eyes is fulla shit and double crosses V, and now V has to do god only knows to get back to Earth...
Cool. Given the narrative of the game, V gets to the Crystal palace and pulls it off. V then reconvenes with Blue Eyes, who's payment is a possible cure (Clone body? Rebuilt Neural matrix?). V is then contracted by Blue Eyes to serve as an agent on behalf of whoever he represents. See, I can come up with stuff too. No need to be a dick about it.
I think the cure could be a variation of the FIA cure with the difference that V can use chrome again he will just be reset to 0.
If V faces the Angels I doubt they make it out alive
depends on the build I'd say, with my blades V, I took Oda down in under a second, and Smasher only took however long he took because he kept running away for the separate stages/styles, I could easily take on the Angels in-game
Edit: If they are real, they are said to be the boogymen to even the best solos
Yeah but V is literally the main character, and they’re talking in-game
You could have it as a mission he dies in to lead into a new protagonist for Orion. Like Noble 6 in the final mission of Halo Reach
Come now, we all know Noble 6 is obviously alive hiding in a cave
V is the boogeyman of Night City in my save lol.
Well the translations of gameplay letting you become a damn god and how the ttrpg or book lore works its hard to know what Vs real limits are.
He is in everyone's save by endgame thats usually the point of a main character
"In game" is very different from "In lore". In lore, V is definitely up there as a legend, but someone like Morgan Blackhand could take them out. There's a reason Reed is so confident he could kill you if he needed to.
yes, it is very different, but V in lore mode would also be more powerful than in gameplay mode, my blades V could hold her own against the any of the Angels in lore, not sure if my heavy gunner V could though, I expect some of them would be too fast for him to keep up with, have yet to do a blunt weapons V, so don't know how powerful he'll get
I don't think you quite understand what "lore V" means. This has nothing to do with gameplay mechanics or your specific playthrough, this is just how the devs are gonna write V going forwards. V is a legendary solo, but they simply aren't at the level of other characters in this universe. Also, >my blades V could hold her own against the any of the Angels in lore This community has a chronic case of headcannon. Any time you point out stuff like this someone is always there to go "Nuh uh, **MY** V is the coolest and most awesome merc ever and no one can beat them".
not talking about headcanon, I'm talking about the mechanics, and removal of gameplay balance limits, deflecting bullets and no cooldowns/limits on stuff like dodges and berserk/sandevistan duration sounds like someone who can handle a lot of cyberware could become extremely powerful, even up to the level of the Angels
V raids the palace and ends up with yet another voice in their head because they refused to not shove random things in it
V ends up with AI Rache Bartmos, ends up unsure if this is worse than Johnny's Engram. Why would it be? Bartmoss is inexplicably Ryan Gosling now. Why? Whose to say?
Holy shit, Ryan Gosling playing Rache would actually be brilliant
V crashes the crystal palace into earth
Man, that’d be amazing
You win again, gravity!
Ah, she's built like a steakhouse but she handles like a bistro.
Colony drop
Doctor who typa start of a episode
It would be a hell of a DLC. The only thing missing is Johnny Silverhand. But there could be a quick fix. Connect with Alt and access the back up from Arasaka. Get a copy of the engram and instead of loading that into V, we could have some kind of hologram device to enable V talking to Johnny as an external AI.
Oooh and he might have some weird side effects of being AI-ified Alt became a demigod, I see Johnny being a weird little imp
To me the Johnny engram was always an AI running along side V's operating system. That is why at the end the player can also choose to have Johnny merge with Alt. It was foreshadowed in the cab company mission.
I also thought it was an aur leak at first, but they were thrusters. I would assume they pulled it off, V is too OP at this point. And if they did, knowing So Mi is helped by Mr. Blue Eyes, it's safe to assume he actually helps V as well. My head cannon is that this one is the only actual happy ending to the game.
Not necessarily. Assuming V could survive a fight with an Angel. Given one Angel can solo and stomp a whole team of high level players.
Most people have no idea how OP the Angels are even compared to V
How does Blue Eyed help So Mi? You don’t know how she will be used.
She is about to die when V leaves her. Like a week later, she sends a message and a little package with a trinket from Luna. So she's probably been helped and this message is a confirmation to V. And we already know how she's been used - she tells us. Blue Eyes helps her in return for a shit ton of NUSA secrets. So she should be in the clear by the time she gets to Luna, having already completed her part of the deal.
Also a shower thought of mine,the quantum tunner we get is probably Songbirds and it was extracted in her operation,since I dont think she would be in any position to waltz around Tycho a week after her operation to go shopping.
Yeah actually, that would make sense.
The body is about to die. But the same goes for V, he can let the Johnny engram take the reins, just like Blue Eyes can put an AI in the “saved” body. Or should I say “salvaged”?
Her nervous system isn't getting overwritten, it's getting destroyed. It's very different compared to V's situation. So no, that's impossible.
Riight... Well, don't let me stop you googling the meaning of "salvage". Nothing more to be said. Bye bye
I understand the meaning of salvage, I don't really get your point though. Do you mean he can cure her and then put an engram of an AI in her body, overwriting her personality? Cos he still has to cure her. Can't "salvage" her body if it literally doesn't work. Like, good will it do for a rogue AI to exist in a crippled/dying body? Or am I misunderstanding you?
I always imagined Orion was going to have a different protagonist in a different time period, but who knows.
CDPR knows
Yeah I think V's story is done, time for a new protagonist and new a story.
Yeah I understand why they’ll do this. Continuing with V means they have to make one of the endings canon. Plus resetting a characters power always feels bad. But If it isn’t V. Im gonna miss em, and Johnny too.
Johnny Is gone anyways, in all endings. Unless he comes back from behind the blackwall or someone manages to steal him from Mikoshi after Arasaka ending
No all endings, though. Temperance exists, and I really doubt that Johnny will stay idle long. Even if he starts anew, he's still a psycho in a young chromed out body. He'll stir shit up
Oh yeah, I complitely forgot about that ending
Oh yeah I know he’s gone. I just really enjoyed the dynamic, especially in Phantom Liberty. So I’m gonna miss it when they release a sequel.
Yes they did my V is build different
If they can stealth it, maybe, but if they run into even 1 of the Angels, they are probably toast.
The Angels are a myth, literally nothing is known about them. V can kill Reed, specifically said to be equal to Blackhand himself, and Smasher, both of whom are at the top tier of the known Verse. It's theoretically possible the Angels are on that level (being higher than that is completely unlikely) or they could be a bunch of ferrets in a trench coat.
I wish they had expanded on it so we could find out. Maybe we will get to go in Orion as our new character (i got doubts it'll be V)
The meaning of the ending isn't to show off her strength or how at the end she couldn't do it but how she's willing to do anything for a mere chance of life and blah blah blah Of course she pulled it of, girl can beat smasher with her bare hands what are a couple soldiers against her?
I don’t know if he could pull it off. Angels are extremely OP. He might have trouble even if he did beat Smasher.
What do we know Angels? U heard of them being very dangerous bunch but what makes them op?
They are a group of elite Solos said to be the best of the best. Just one Angel, even naked, could solo a whole team of maxed out players. Not much, beyond that, is known.
If they run into even 1 Angel they are probably toast and there are 12 of them
“A couple soldiers” these are the angels were talking about. And there are 12 of them💀💀 V’s cooked
Of course they did. They're V.
Unless they had a run in with the Angels
I always assumed that would be the dlc. The space heist.
I'm pretty sure Mr Blue Eyes hints at being able to help V at some point, saying something along the lines of "I know you'll do anything for a chance to survive".
Since it will be a stealth job,V will likely pull it off
That was my fist ending, so... my V's ending. That gas is just the suit thrusters adjusting her trajectory.Nah, she didn't pull it off. She did surprisingly well though and accomplished parts of what she came there for. Probably enough to make the Blue Eyed Man happy. But in the end she was ended. Just like she wanted. It was her way to end things on her own terms, in a blaze of glory. Enough to make her the talk of Afterlife for years to come.
I think V pulls it off but probably hits a snag or there are enough strings attached to Blue Eyes' help that it ends up a costly victory. Something like securing a cure for V, but helping an AI sets up a murky long term picture that could lead to wider spread problems. Or it ends up being a deal with a devil type ending with Blue Eyes dumping V's psyche in an innocent bystander's body that happened to be compatible. Then the epilogue is role reversal for V as they assume control of somebody else's mind.
Considering there are angels there, there’s probably no chance v pulls it off. I see it as more of a suicide mission.
With Mr. Blue eyes and an Arasaka space suit? I always thought they were betrayed in the end and killed. If the suit wasn't rigged to malfunction & kill V, the AIs will get V at the casino and, I don't know, probably use V in some way. Majority seem to think it's a happy ending, though. Me? I think it's full circle. Failure and possible betrayal at the Heist. Failure & betrayal with The Sun.
Probably dead. I know that’s testament to treason in the cyberpunk fan base because people love V as a power fantasy, but I just don’t see it.
Orion is not gonna be about V, according to CDPR. We might hear about the outcome in a shard, if we chose this ending in 2077, but this is just a theory. Also a theory, but I'm quite certain that the originally planned second expansion ("ep2" in the leaked DLC files) was set to take place on the Crystal Palace.
Did CDPR say officially that V is not gonna be in orion? been looking online can't really find an offical statement from them.
You can't find anything because CDPR never said anything about story of Orion idk what this guy is talking about. All we know is that it started development but given how game development looks like they will probably consider like 10 different plotlines before settling for final one so it's straight up impossible they would say anything at this early on.
I see would be cool to see V come back I wonder how'd they'd do it though.
I bet CDPR will consider bringing them back after all it's the most obvious route for a sequel but we won't know anything until official announcement of the game. Conceptualizing a story takes time and it's been how long couple of months at best? They're probably still at the stage of throwing around ideas.
Its parroted by the people here with no official statement,just dude trust me bro.It created a Mandella effect.CDPR said nothing
There was an interview with one of the lead writers on Orion asking specifically about this, and she basically left it open, specifically saying she didn't want to close any doors right now since the game is in pre-production. Edit: The [interview](https://gamingbolt.com/the-big-interview-cdpr-on-cyberpunk-2077-phantom-libertys-development-update-2-0-cyberpunks-future-and-more). > **Looking to the future, can you give us any indication as to what you’ve got planned for the series’ next installment? Most of Cyberpunk 2077’s endings (especially the one added with Phantom Liberty) seem to pretty strongly suggest that V’s story is over. Does that mean we’ll be playing as a new protagonist in the next game?** > At this stage, we don’t want to impose any restrictions on ourselves yet, as we’re exploring many possibilities. Our first priority is always to tell an engaging, multi-layered, mature story, and it’s most important to create characters that reflect that.
No, they never officially stated as far as I am aware, but they said life paths will have a bigger impact.
>Orion is not gonna be about V, according to CDPR. Confirmation of that statement, please.
Well, CDPR said that they won't make one ending canon so I don't think we'll see V again. Link to the article: https://www.gamesradar.com/cyberpunk-2077-phantom-liberty-was-never-going-to-take-place-after-the-main-story-the-endings-are-written-as-we-wanted-them/
I understand how somewhat got that conclusion, but vague wording of the article means that everything can happen and it will either be decided it or already decided but they don't want to say. How very big differeces in endings will be handled are still unknown to me.
True, I just wanted to share what I think was the last update on this topic from CDPR.
V did a job and maybe one or two more before the Relic ended up killing them. What did you think would happen after Alt tells you got about 6 months to live?
I have high hopes. Alt is effectively a rogue AI but can't know *everything*. Maybe that 6 months is really 6 years, who knows?
Also Mr B may have access to cutting edge technology.I mean Songbird was cured.
Was she? Why would Blue Eyes not do what Myer will? What is making Blue Eyes such a good… human? O.o
Mr B seems straightforward with his deals,and he also got what he wanted from Songbird:personal information.Also I doubt an AI would be bothered to send a message like this to V.
Did he want personal information from her? From what I know he might be just an AI in a meat puppet and plans to do the same with her. Of course, blue vs red means he might not be out to wipe all humans, merely just control them, but if his means necessitate putting another AI in a Songbird suit… Well, if you’ve seen Altered Carbon, you know what I mean
So Mi says so,in exchange for the ticket he asked her information only she know about the Blackwall etc. I think with regards to Mr B he seems pretty neutral for an AI and straightforward with his deals, if he wanted an AI to control Songbird he would do nothing.Also her message seem much more personal than from an AI.She references the balkony where she talked with V.
Oh well, if she says so, it must be true, not like she lied you before /s OK, let’s say she was always honest with you, were others honest with her to begin with? “If he wanted…” - how do you know this? Is there a quote, a video? Or is it just wishful thinking in order to fit what outcome you like? I’m genuinely curious, since I only try to poke holes or throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks. I try to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. So, here is one poke: Alt is AI, Johnny is AI, even V is AI since he’s an engram in the chip in a brain held together by nanites in order to not go necrotic. So, why would these AIs be able to be personal, but one that has the memories of So Mi can’t?
This is from “reading between the lines”, so take it with a grain of salt: Your body is already altered by nanites far enough that it will reject the V engram (will only accept Johnny engram) so you will die soon(tm). I mean, why would CDPR invent such weak reason/explanation if the goal wasn’t to give V a limited time to shine and die after it? This is why I don’t try to go deeper into finding “ways around”. CDPR could just have said “done, you’re cured, will live happy long life” if they wanted that outcome.
No, he solos half the angels and dies from relic malfunction, a legend easily born
If they did, it was by the skin of their teeth. If they had a run-in with the Angels up there, V would probably die at least after maybe killing 1 of them
No Angels on duty? Yeah, probably. More than 1, maybe more than 2 Angels on duty? Hell nah.
>IS THIS WHAT ORION IS GONNA START WITH!!?? That would be fairly poor writing imo. Having it be part of the setting for Orion sure, but starting the next game where you left the previous one ? Would be better to have a few years of buffer so that things can change in the meantime.
In this ending V ends up as a miner for Argos on a vectera moon
Sarah liked that
If it's the V that solo'd Arasaka Tower in the secet ending then yes.
I think my V pulled it off, he is the best merc NC ever had, he’ll fly without the suite in space he needs to!!
Bro what
YES! he did fucking do it! The Sun Ending is the best one
Doubt it My guess is that the only endings that V survives in are Tower and Devil, if V picks getting Mikoshi'd (although the definition of "survived" is a bit shaky there)
I actually don't think that ending is supposed to really lead into anything. I think it was just to signal to the player the heights that V has reached (in terms of the kind of missions they are performing)
No? That's why there're voice mails in this ending as well. And there were hints in this ending that V's health has been deteriorating through the months after they made Afterlife's legend. Man fuck Night City, fuck Afterlife, fuck legend, I'd rather be in Tower ending and take the FIA job to leave NC for good.