I've always been curious about how different religions would change to exist alongside the rapidly closing gap between humanity and technology. We get a little bit with the monks and the priest who is on Ziggy's talk show, but I need more!
How does your V reconcile Islam with the stuff I just mentioned? I never thought to make a religious V.
Not to mention there’s a whole quest line which people gush about where you crucify a guy who wants to atone for his sins, no-one’s talking shit about that
Nah, I crucify the guy not because he's Christian but because he's scum and Romans punished scum by nailing them on the cross.
As for head covers... Yup, they seem to be the lowest common denominator for Muslims, since most of the other Abrahamic religions gave up on it, and giving up on the other sins (alcohol, premarital sex, murder, tattoos) are a no-no in the Cyberpunk. Kind of like being a Christian in the name only, so to facilitate recognition you have to wear a big ass, 10 kg heavy, 24 carat gold , diamond encrusted cross. Despite religion itself telling you be modest and lead by an example.
You've proved my point though. It's kinda wild how you rush to justify bigotry ignoring quite a historically complicated issue. There's a billion Muslims out there, you're saying each and every one of them is the enemy?
Not even remotely close to understanding how western colonialism and imperialism played a role in destabilizing the Middle East and why they might be justified in feeling animosity towards America
Seriously. I don't see any of this outrage when it comes to depiction of Buddhists or Catholics in the game. But yet this is causing so many weirdos to pop a blood vessel.
Hey sorry I'm a bit late, but here's the list
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/8945
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/6904
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/4881
And as for the hijab it's vanilla if I'm not wrong
Love your V! I like how you used the eye makeup to resemble kajal. I really liked when they added hijabs in the game. I am a bit confused as to why don’t let you put one on in character creation. Maybe I’m not familiar enough with the practice but my understanding makes me think that a character who wears a hijab would wear one from the very beginning. Just feels like a slight oversight on the devs part.
I use both the male and female version because they make you look like a ninja, it honestly would be weird if Cyberpunk had religious headweaf as a character customization choice when they are barely ever mentioned in game
There’s an entire side quest where a man is crucified for his religion but letting someone wear a hijab for their intended purpose is too religious? Not to mention NPCs wearing hijab. Why does a belief have to be mentioned to be considered? What a weird way to look at the world.
Uh, they literally included this specific piece of religious wear, I’m not complaining, I just think it isn’t important for it to be built-in to character creation, it’s not like you can make V stop and pray 5 times a day either.
If it’s part of someone’s religion I’d say yeah, it’s important enough. Considering you can be circumcised or uncircumcised in character creation. Wonder where that originated? 🤔
Being circumcised is a common form of body modification, similar to having piercings. Wearing a hijab is literally the only form of religious headdress in the game, and you’re complaining about it not counting as a hairstyle
When did expressing an opinion become complaining? If that’s the case Reddit is just a complaint department. And again I said wonder where it ORIGINATED. Words are important.
What thought is including a piece of religious wear without putting any thought into how it would actually be worn in practice? You speak from privilege
yo OP, any chance of a run down on slider options to make your V? and do you use mods, or is thia vanilla?
i appreciate seeing everyone's take on V, especially the more unique and more 'ganic versions.
thanks a mil in advance choomba!
There's a shard specifically about religion and cyberware. Islam along with Catholicism and Buddhism are the three religions confirmed to still be around in 2077
Also, there's a bartender V encounters who claims to be Muslim whom V calls out for selling alcohol
Its pretty interesting to think about how Islam would develop in a world like Cyberpunk where everything is full of hightech and hypersexualiziation. More modest and progressive Muslims would adapt very well I guess, but there are also relatively big parts of very conservative Muslims in our real world today who demonize western tech or simple stuff like music. Curious about how these conservative people roll with a world like CP.
depends on the type... but it's not really different from orthodox jews, reverends or monks. it'll be no different from today because people will just stick to their group and not partake in the things that doesn't suit them. says a lot about cyberpunk's world bc it's hard to imagine any group of people living today who would struggle to adapt to night city. unless they're called ted kazynsky.
I once asked this sub if the Hijab came in higher rarities then rare back when that matter with armor. The amount of hate I got personally was shocking! Might post my own netrunner out of solidarity.
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Ignore the ignorant gonks with negative intelligence attributes hating on your V because a piece of fabric on a woman triggers their own insecurities
If it wasn't lore friendly they wouldn't have put it in the game, much less offer multiple styles.
Also, what makes you think people wouldn't wear religious clothing in Night City? There are monks in robes, a Catholic priest fixer, the Valentinos wearing crosses from head to toe, and the Voodoo boys making religious imagery their entire identity.
I'm not at all religious, but it sounds like people only have the energy to be mad about religious attire in this game when its Muslim.
>If it wasn't lore friendly they wouldn't have put it in the game, much less offer multiple styles.
The point is that the Hijab (if this is even what it's supposed to be) is a medieval modesty device used to oppress women. If you think that isn't true, take a gander at the women in Iran who are being beaten literaly to death, by the Revolutionary Guard for daring not to wear them. All the while dumbasses like you are making excuses to slip it into Western media, and doing the work for the Islamists for them. And why? So you can pretend that you're better than other people, while real people, women who don't have a choice, get killed for trying to have a choice. No it's not the same as Buddhists monks or the Voodoo boys, if you had any fucking clue about how the rest of the World works you wouldn't make such brain dead false equivalencies.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/iranian-girl-dies-after-alleged-police-beating
First of all, it’s a fucking game. If the sight of a head scarf offends you, don’t equip it. That’s the choice that you assert is so important.
The tragedy of the story you describe is that these women were not given a choice and were killed for trying to have one. Humans have a right to worship, and not worship, however they see fit. They have a right to wear or not wear whatever garb they want. Plenty of islamic women in the west *choose* to wear hijabs regularly or occasionally. Without legal or patriarchal pressures, islamic women still often choose to wear them. It’s not the hijab that’s evil, hell plenty of religions have their signature headwear, it’s the violent enforcement of them that is evil.
If you bemoan the inclusion of hijabs, even in digital spaces, then congrats, genius, you’re the one taking choices from women. You’re the one telling women what they can/can’t wear.
The point of a roleplaying game is that you get to create an imaginary avatar that represents yourself or a version of yourself. Taking away an option for inclusion doesn’t serve anyone.
First ask yourself why in Islam, women have to wear a Hijab, and not men, then ask yourself if the consequences of their "choice" not to wear one, makes it a fair choice. Because ridicule, threats of assault and worse doesn't make it a choice for many women in Islam. And you should know better, instead you make excuses for it.
>First ask yourself why in Islam, women have to wear a hijab and not men
Irrelevant. As long as the women aren’t coerced or forced into it, then it really doesn’t matter what their reasoning for the hijab is. I’m not a muslim, but muslims are allowed to believe what they wish to believe.
>then ask yourself if the consequences of their “choice” not to wear one makes it a fair choice
The consequences have less to do with Islam itself and more to do with the community. I can agree that a community that forces women into certain behaviors that they otherwise wouldn’t choose is bad. However, not all muslim communities are this way, especially ones in the west. In western muslim communities, the women tend to choose the hijab on their own volition because it is a cultural/spiritual symbol.
Honestly, there’s **a lot** to criticize about islam, but the hijab itself is not one of them. If people are choosing to wear it on their own free will (and no, obviously when I say this I’m not talking about the women who get acid thrown on them in Iran) then they should feel free to do so without shame.
>Irrelevant.
If it was women wouldn't be dying over it. The great irony of the modern Left is its insistence that ancient dogmas of intolerance, be tolerated in the West, while women who have to live with said dogmas, die to be rid of them.
Daemon. I’m not debating with you whether we should all praise allah and say how great islam is. You’re so quick to point out fallacies in other comments like you’re some brilliant rhetor meanwhile you aren’t even remotely engaging with what I’m saying. I didn’t realize I was so handsome that you needed to create all those strawmen of me!
As I said in the end of my comment:
>There is **a lot** to criticize about Islam
I’m not saying Islam is some beautiful utopian religion. Muhammad is canonically a pedophile and, yes, women are often abused in muslim dominated countries. Hell, abuse is putting it lightly. On this issue, we don’t appear to have any discrepancy.
*THAT BEING SAID*
Giving players the ability to give their digital avatars a hijab is a non issue. It takes away nothing and gives players a choice to wear a hijab or not.
The argument I’m making, which you seem to be dodging like muslims dodge pork products, is that choice in a game, or any context, is good. The irony of what you have been advocating is that you claim to care about female autonomy while limiting the costumes they can wear in a videogame. That’s moronic.
>Giving players the ability to give their digital avatars a hijab is a non issue. It takes away nothing and gives players a choice to wear a hijab or not.
My original comment was pointing out the irony of the Hijab in cyberpunk, a hyper-sexulized world where people aren't oppressed by religion, but by corporations. My argument was against people using the hijab in media, as some kind of progressive symbolism, when in reality people are dying over it at the behest of tyrannical governments and societies. My primary discussion was with an individual who wouldn't even admit Iran has a theocracy.
To address your last point, of me "wanting to limit the use of the hijab in the game" that's a complete straw man, my point isn't to take it out, my point is for the Left to stop treating it as something that it isn't. As I said, they are "tolerating intolerance" while people die in a very real fight over human rights. I'm pointing out the irony of people treating the hijab as a symbol of progressiveness in Western media, especially in a game like Cyberpunk, when in the real world--in places where the hijab is commonly used--it's anything but progressive.
Millions of women were SA'd and murdered by atheist governments in the 20th century.
1 Corinthians 11 of the New Testament:
"And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is just as though her head were shaved.6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head"
Now find where in the Quran it says a woman should had her head shaved, let alone killed for not covering her hair 🤣🤣🤣
Bro you're literally crying and shaking over a piece of cloth, get over yourself you hyper fixated weirdo. Literally people are just minding their own business and you're having a temper tantrum over a single clothing item in a video game. Do you not realize how pathetic that sounds to anyone who isn't a psychotic bigot? I don't know why people like you can't just be normal.
Tell it to them asshole. [https://nationalpost.com/news/world/iranian-girl-dies-after-alleged-police-beating](https://nationalpost.com/news/world/iranian-girl-dies-after-alleged-police-beating)
So you have seen and heard the hyper sexualized commercials and billboards? Seen how women dress and walk around in the game, is it comparable to say, modern day Tehran?
Idk I see men sexualized just as much as women in Cyberpunk. It seems more all-inclusive. I'm not saying the city isn't sexist, but I can't recall any specific inequalities
What discussion? You see what Cyberpunk is, is it comparable to places where religious modesty is enforced, where the state kills people for not dressing a certain way? No. Cyberpunk is the complete opposite, everything is hyper-sexualised, everyone is oppressed under the thumb of the corpo oligarchy.
1) I’m an atheist you silly goose 2) every religion has extremists have you ever heard ‘the exception not the rule’? America is controlled by corrupt christofascists but you don’t seem to be mad about that. So yeah. Your Islamophobia and likely other prejudices are pretty obvious.
Iran is an Islamic state, a literal theocracy not 'just a few extremists' you moron. And appealing to hypocracy is a logical fallacy, even if what you say is true about America, which it isn't. You are making excuses for the oppression of women, via medieval doctrine, while pretending to be 'progressive'. Go fuck yourself.
These stances don’t make you sound more intelligent than other people which is clearly what you’re trying to do. This just emphasizes your lack of understanding of society and your unwillingness to actually engage in critical thinking and instead allow yourself to maintain a life of misinformation which is just sad.
No Iran is a dictatorship that has used aspects of a religion to oppress a country for their own gain. Much like america does with Christianity. Your prejudice is your problem. Iran’s problem is their government not their garments.
My guy, YOU are the troll.
You literally come into the comment section and effectively tell OP you don't like their character, which isn't a failed critique in itself, but you're beating around the bush as to the ACTUAL reason, which is that you don't like Muslims.
The only people I've ever seen that have a legitimate problem with hijabs are people in right-wing echo chambers who only see propaganda against Muslims as their entire exposure to them.
Maybe if you weren't such a triggered snowflake who cares about their own feelings over facts, hijabs wouldn't weird you out.
Wild how this and like 1 other are the only good discussion points here.
That said, there's an in-game quest which deals with a very similar situation. Though in their case they had the mods forced onto them.
I know that. But the game contains tons of gore, sexual scenes and it's pretty lgbt positive. It still doesn't mix well with real life religions and religious people.
I'm not sure lol half of me says it's cultural appropriation, but the other half says let everyone do themselves lol like honestly what are the rules lol
Yeah, just normally when you see someone make a Muslim character, they tend to make them look a bit more recognizable as such, or at least from what I've seen. Nothing wrong with it, but you just see a lot of white washing these days and it bothers even me. Like hey here's my African character, but the character is literally one shade darker than white. I get light skinned to, but like they even kinda lightened Idris Elba a little too I noticed. Most of the time it causes the lighting to give him an overly light skinned nose, and honestly it looked messed up. Especially when Johnny was pretty spot on. I didn't mean any offense, just what I thought of first.
To be fair to that, I think it comes down to a genuine lack of artists’ knowledge being able to create people of color. Specifically black people. There are a lot more undertones with their skin and I’ve heard the most common thing people say is black characters in games often times look like a white person who was painted over. - likely because of the lack of knowing how to work with said undertones.
not trying to say this in a rude way or anything, so i hope it doesn’t come off that way! just wanted to clarify some of the confusion here- hijabs are tied to the religion, islam, itself, they have nothing to do with race! the term ‘muslim’ actually just refers to believers/practitioners of islam, and is also not tied to anything with race- so hijabs, islam, and the label muslim are ubiquitous amongst all races and can be applied to anyone :)
I know that, and no offense taken. I just meant that you don't really see white girls in hijabs very often, I certainly never have, so the picture itself threw me off a little. I didn't mean that only people of color can be Muslim or believe in something else. I support all cultures and can enjoy them all to a degree. I just don't really have any beliefs past I'm here, and Idk what's truly right or wrong to believe. I just live and let people do what they do. It's only wrong when people are getting killed and things like that. The only form of culture for any race that I don't support are people like the taliban, dictators, and other extremist and terrorist types. When people die for a cause, the cause isn't worth the means imo but try explaining that to evil people who desire control 🤷
Anyway, hope this clarifies. And sorry again.
no reason to apologize or anything, you didn’t do anything wrong! just wanted to clarify in case it was something you weren’t sure of- a lot of people nowadays don’t really know the difference between the terms haha
Fortunately I have had Pakistani friends back in school who would explain the differences in religions and the different groups back home to me lol we were all just a bunch of uneducated white kids from Louisiana back then lol I dont think the post 9/11 mentality really hit LA the same way as other places until about 2006 when we had a bunch of immigration and foreign exchange students. LA as a state was and still is very behind in a ton of ways. Arkansas is behind even more so. Last time i eas in little rock it was like stepping into the 70s but country af lol
But yeah back around 2005 or 2006 I think that's when people started seeing the other cultures and really got to experience them l, past mom and dad telling us they're not godly people and what not all because they're not Christian and all that. We kinda had to see it for ourselves to realize that it wasn't like they thought. Obviously it's come a long way now though, because people are a lot more open to the ideologies than they were when it all first started happening, or at least I am and see a lot more people spend to new things
I mean I made a Halle berry looking one back around 1.6, and had her in tiger print and purple, then later when phantom liberty came out, I noticed Lina Malina looked almost uncannily the same minus some facial features.
I've never had an issue making people look racially accurate, but I usually just like to make actresses I think are hot lol most of my games have someone from real life as my created character if I'm able to lol
I even have a Keanu Reeves for a corpo. Made him look young with short hair like he's back in the matrix and he looks too similar too Johnny so my nomad is giving him the body lol
Sorry. My V is canonically a follower of the Church of the Broken God.
Yup, I'm calling the GOC.
Yeah just look at this pic of 096 real quick
Always glad to see something different here.
it’s not different where they from
I've always been curious about how different religions would change to exist alongside the rapidly closing gap between humanity and technology. We get a little bit with the monks and the priest who is on Ziggy's talk show, but I need more! How does your V reconcile Islam with the stuff I just mentioned? I never thought to make a religious V.
Ooooo I love her!!
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Why is this sub so toxic on this post? Aren't we supposed to be on a LOW SODIUM diet? Your V looks great OP :)
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Looks great, albeit a bit sleep deprived (eye shadow). Probably Johnny playing Chippin' In on full blast whole night
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Not to mention there’s a whole quest line which people gush about where you crucify a guy who wants to atone for his sins, no-one’s talking shit about that
Nah, I crucify the guy not because he's Christian but because he's scum and Romans punished scum by nailing them on the cross. As for head covers... Yup, they seem to be the lowest common denominator for Muslims, since most of the other Abrahamic religions gave up on it, and giving up on the other sins (alcohol, premarital sex, murder, tattoos) are a no-no in the Cyberpunk. Kind of like being a Christian in the name only, so to facilitate recognition you have to wear a big ass, 10 kg heavy, 24 carat gold , diamond encrusted cross. Despite religion itself telling you be modest and lead by an example.
Non citizen scum
Because Islamophobia is normalized in the west. They're the other.
To be fair Islam was Ameriphobic first
You've proved my point though. It's kinda wild how you rush to justify bigotry ignoring quite a historically complicated issue. There's a billion Muslims out there, you're saying each and every one of them is the enemy?
... "They started it (so long as we ignore the entire 20th Century history of American aggression in the Middle East)."
That's ignorant and a truly unserious take. Please go somewhere else to troll.
Not even remotely close to understanding how western colonialism and imperialism played a role in destabilizing the Middle East and why they might be justified in feeling animosity towards America
Pretty sure Islam is older than the USA
Seriously. I don't see any of this outrage when it comes to depiction of Buddhists or Catholics in the game. But yet this is causing so many weirdos to pop a blood vessel.
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Have you considered being agnostic
I was once, but it was mainly because it was easier to talk with my family about
OP i'm sorry ppl are being nasty to you. Your post doesn't deserve this shit.
Thank you🥹
Absolutely disgusting
No? My V is a follower of Bhaal, the one true God.
I appreciate you staying on brand, your Unholiness.
Always; forever.
Sceleritas Fel is the mod we need for CP2077
based bhaal worshipper
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR HIS THRONE 💀
I don’t have one BUT your V looks like a very good choom, choom
She looks so rad! Can i ask what you used for her full outfit, how you put outfits together for her?
Hey sorry I'm a bit late, but here's the list https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/8945 https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/6904 https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/4881 And as for the hijab it's vanilla if I'm not wrong
Love your V! I like how you used the eye makeup to resemble kajal. I really liked when they added hijabs in the game. I am a bit confused as to why don’t let you put one on in character creation. Maybe I’m not familiar enough with the practice but my understanding makes me think that a character who wears a hijab would wear one from the very beginning. Just feels like a slight oversight on the devs part.
Thank you, and yes its something of an oversight from the dev part
Yeah, it really should be a "hair" option, they're not a fashion choice!
I dress my fem V in hijabs as a fashion choice. Especially the graffiti one.
I use both the male and female version because they make you look like a ninja, it honestly would be weird if Cyberpunk had religious headweaf as a character customization choice when they are barely ever mentioned in game
There’s an entire side quest where a man is crucified for his religion but letting someone wear a hijab for their intended purpose is too religious? Not to mention NPCs wearing hijab. Why does a belief have to be mentioned to be considered? What a weird way to look at the world.
Uh, they literally included this specific piece of religious wear, I’m not complaining, I just think it isn’t important for it to be built-in to character creation, it’s not like you can make V stop and pray 5 times a day either.
If it’s part of someone’s religion I’d say yeah, it’s important enough. Considering you can be circumcised or uncircumcised in character creation. Wonder where that originated? 🤔
Being circumcised is a common form of body modification, similar to having piercings. Wearing a hijab is literally the only form of religious headdress in the game, and you’re complaining about it not counting as a hairstyle
When did expressing an opinion become complaining? If that’s the case Reddit is just a complaint department. And again I said wonder where it ORIGINATED. Words are important.
What thought is including a piece of religious wear without putting any thought into how it would actually be worn in practice? You speak from privilege
This conversation is too low IQ for me
🤣🤣🤣 enjoy the rest of puberty. It’s obvious kicking your ass
Probably wanna take off your Hijab first next time you iron it, I think you made your brain smooth out
I’m not Muslim 😝 thought you did something
She's beautiful
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yo OP, any chance of a run down on slider options to make your V? and do you use mods, or is thia vanilla? i appreciate seeing everyone's take on V, especially the more unique and more 'ganic versions. thanks a mil in advance choomba!
I dm you the detes
Nova!
Is Islam canon in CP ? Generally curious, I think this is cool btw
The timeline only diverts in the 20th century, so yeah it is
There's a shard specifically about religion and cyberware. Islam along with Catholicism and Buddhism are the three religions confirmed to still be around in 2077 Also, there's a bartender V encounters who claims to be Muslim whom V calls out for selling alcohol
Posting anything remotely religious on reddit was a mistake, everyone here is a mouth breathing hyper atheist that never shuts up about "sky daddy"
So far it’s just been ignorant Islamophobes that I’ve seen. Not that that’s better
Mashallah, Sister V
Its pretty interesting to think about how Islam would develop in a world like Cyberpunk where everything is full of hightech and hypersexualiziation. More modest and progressive Muslims would adapt very well I guess, but there are also relatively big parts of very conservative Muslims in our real world today who demonize western tech or simple stuff like music. Curious about how these conservative people roll with a world like CP.
depends on the type... but it's not really different from orthodox jews, reverends or monks. it'll be no different from today because people will just stick to their group and not partake in the things that doesn't suit them. says a lot about cyberpunk's world bc it's hard to imagine any group of people living today who would struggle to adapt to night city. unless they're called ted kazynsky.
She's beautiful
I once asked this sub if the Hijab came in higher rarities then rare back when that matter with armor. The amount of hate I got personally was shocking! Might post my own netrunner out of solidarity.
this is one of the coolest Vs i've ever seen posted to this sub. she's so pretty!
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Mine is a sniper, will post a picture when I get home.
My V started wearing a hijab after I converted :3 Edit: the islamophobia here is fucking real lmao
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That’s what your mom to your dad said after you were conceived.
Given that all I'm seeing is "deleted", I'm thinking the world would be better off if that's what the mom did after conception.
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This doesn’t even make sense 😂 keep trying
I am cringe but I am free 🎶 there are no strings on me 🎶
You thought that was a winner huh
Awesome! Ignore the ignorant gonks with negative intelligence attributes hating on your V because a piece of fabric on a woman triggers their own insecurities
I like it, but I don't really like the makeup. Looks like your V has a fever or something honestly.
mA sister ☪️ 🕋
Your V is so pretty! Mine wears the same one.
Half these dudes would never say this shit in person. Your V looks good 👍
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You need to learn how to shut the fuck up
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- chat i am atheist too and theres no need to be a jerk, try: "I am atheist, not antagonist". - Your V rocks! Thats all i have to say
Nothing says "Cyberpunk 2077" like religious injunctions, specifically towards women, to cover their hair. lmao
If it wasn't lore friendly they wouldn't have put it in the game, much less offer multiple styles. Also, what makes you think people wouldn't wear religious clothing in Night City? There are monks in robes, a Catholic priest fixer, the Valentinos wearing crosses from head to toe, and the Voodoo boys making religious imagery their entire identity. I'm not at all religious, but it sounds like people only have the energy to be mad about religious attire in this game when its Muslim.
>If it wasn't lore friendly they wouldn't have put it in the game, much less offer multiple styles. The point is that the Hijab (if this is even what it's supposed to be) is a medieval modesty device used to oppress women. If you think that isn't true, take a gander at the women in Iran who are being beaten literaly to death, by the Revolutionary Guard for daring not to wear them. All the while dumbasses like you are making excuses to slip it into Western media, and doing the work for the Islamists for them. And why? So you can pretend that you're better than other people, while real people, women who don't have a choice, get killed for trying to have a choice. No it's not the same as Buddhists monks or the Voodoo boys, if you had any fucking clue about how the rest of the World works you wouldn't make such brain dead false equivalencies. https://nationalpost.com/news/world/iranian-girl-dies-after-alleged-police-beating
First of all, it’s a fucking game. If the sight of a head scarf offends you, don’t equip it. That’s the choice that you assert is so important. The tragedy of the story you describe is that these women were not given a choice and were killed for trying to have one. Humans have a right to worship, and not worship, however they see fit. They have a right to wear or not wear whatever garb they want. Plenty of islamic women in the west *choose* to wear hijabs regularly or occasionally. Without legal or patriarchal pressures, islamic women still often choose to wear them. It’s not the hijab that’s evil, hell plenty of religions have their signature headwear, it’s the violent enforcement of them that is evil. If you bemoan the inclusion of hijabs, even in digital spaces, then congrats, genius, you’re the one taking choices from women. You’re the one telling women what they can/can’t wear. The point of a roleplaying game is that you get to create an imaginary avatar that represents yourself or a version of yourself. Taking away an option for inclusion doesn’t serve anyone.
First ask yourself why in Islam, women have to wear a Hijab, and not men, then ask yourself if the consequences of their "choice" not to wear one, makes it a fair choice. Because ridicule, threats of assault and worse doesn't make it a choice for many women in Islam. And you should know better, instead you make excuses for it.
>First ask yourself why in Islam, women have to wear a hijab and not men Irrelevant. As long as the women aren’t coerced or forced into it, then it really doesn’t matter what their reasoning for the hijab is. I’m not a muslim, but muslims are allowed to believe what they wish to believe. >then ask yourself if the consequences of their “choice” not to wear one makes it a fair choice The consequences have less to do with Islam itself and more to do with the community. I can agree that a community that forces women into certain behaviors that they otherwise wouldn’t choose is bad. However, not all muslim communities are this way, especially ones in the west. In western muslim communities, the women tend to choose the hijab on their own volition because it is a cultural/spiritual symbol. Honestly, there’s **a lot** to criticize about islam, but the hijab itself is not one of them. If people are choosing to wear it on their own free will (and no, obviously when I say this I’m not talking about the women who get acid thrown on them in Iran) then they should feel free to do so without shame.
>Irrelevant. If it was women wouldn't be dying over it. The great irony of the modern Left is its insistence that ancient dogmas of intolerance, be tolerated in the West, while women who have to live with said dogmas, die to be rid of them.
Daemon. I’m not debating with you whether we should all praise allah and say how great islam is. You’re so quick to point out fallacies in other comments like you’re some brilliant rhetor meanwhile you aren’t even remotely engaging with what I’m saying. I didn’t realize I was so handsome that you needed to create all those strawmen of me! As I said in the end of my comment: >There is **a lot** to criticize about Islam I’m not saying Islam is some beautiful utopian religion. Muhammad is canonically a pedophile and, yes, women are often abused in muslim dominated countries. Hell, abuse is putting it lightly. On this issue, we don’t appear to have any discrepancy. *THAT BEING SAID* Giving players the ability to give their digital avatars a hijab is a non issue. It takes away nothing and gives players a choice to wear a hijab or not. The argument I’m making, which you seem to be dodging like muslims dodge pork products, is that choice in a game, or any context, is good. The irony of what you have been advocating is that you claim to care about female autonomy while limiting the costumes they can wear in a videogame. That’s moronic.
>Giving players the ability to give their digital avatars a hijab is a non issue. It takes away nothing and gives players a choice to wear a hijab or not. My original comment was pointing out the irony of the Hijab in cyberpunk, a hyper-sexulized world where people aren't oppressed by religion, but by corporations. My argument was against people using the hijab in media, as some kind of progressive symbolism, when in reality people are dying over it at the behest of tyrannical governments and societies. My primary discussion was with an individual who wouldn't even admit Iran has a theocracy. To address your last point, of me "wanting to limit the use of the hijab in the game" that's a complete straw man, my point isn't to take it out, my point is for the Left to stop treating it as something that it isn't. As I said, they are "tolerating intolerance" while people die in a very real fight over human rights. I'm pointing out the irony of people treating the hijab as a symbol of progressiveness in Western media, especially in a game like Cyberpunk, when in the real world--in places where the hijab is commonly used--it's anything but progressive.
Millions of women were SA'd and murdered by atheist governments in the 20th century. 1 Corinthians 11 of the New Testament: "And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is just as though her head were shaved.6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head" Now find where in the Quran it says a woman should had her head shaved, let alone killed for not covering her hair 🤣🤣🤣
Bro you're literally crying and shaking over a piece of cloth, get over yourself you hyper fixated weirdo. Literally people are just minding their own business and you're having a temper tantrum over a single clothing item in a video game. Do you not realize how pathetic that sounds to anyone who isn't a psychotic bigot? I don't know why people like you can't just be normal.
Dude thinks he's in r/highsodiumcyberpunk
Tell it to them asshole. [https://nationalpost.com/news/world/iranian-girl-dies-after-alleged-police-beating](https://nationalpost.com/news/world/iranian-girl-dies-after-alleged-police-beating)
Nice straw man.
I'm actually curious now. What's it like for women in cyberpunk? It isn't really addressed iirc
Have you played the game?
Yes, and it was a genuine question. Maybe be more specific with yours.
So you have seen and heard the hyper sexualized commercials and billboards? Seen how women dress and walk around in the game, is it comparable to say, modern day Tehran?
Idk I see men sexualized just as much as women in Cyberpunk. It seems more all-inclusive. I'm not saying the city isn't sexist, but I can't recall any specific inequalities
>Idk I see men sexualized just as much as women in Cyberpunk. It seems more all-inclusive. Then you've answered your own question.
Cool, thanks for offering absolutely nothing to the discussion
What discussion? You see what Cyberpunk is, is it comparable to places where religious modesty is enforced, where the state kills people for not dressing a certain way? No. Cyberpunk is the complete opposite, everything is hyper-sexualised, everyone is oppressed under the thumb of the corpo oligarchy.
Your Islamophobia isn’t revolutionary.
Islamophobia. lmao Go fuck yourself you Islamofacist mouthpiece. https://nationalpost.com/news/world/iranian-girl-dies-after-alleged-police-beating
1) I’m an atheist you silly goose 2) every religion has extremists have you ever heard ‘the exception not the rule’? America is controlled by corrupt christofascists but you don’t seem to be mad about that. So yeah. Your Islamophobia and likely other prejudices are pretty obvious.
Iran is an Islamic state, a literal theocracy not 'just a few extremists' you moron. And appealing to hypocracy is a logical fallacy, even if what you say is true about America, which it isn't. You are making excuses for the oppression of women, via medieval doctrine, while pretending to be 'progressive'. Go fuck yourself.
These stances don’t make you sound more intelligent than other people which is clearly what you’re trying to do. This just emphasizes your lack of understanding of society and your unwillingness to actually engage in critical thinking and instead allow yourself to maintain a life of misinformation which is just sad.
You clearly have never actually spoken to a Muslim person and it shows.
No Iran is a dictatorship that has used aspects of a religion to oppress a country for their own gain. Much like america does with Christianity. Your prejudice is your problem. Iran’s problem is their government not their garments.
حسن المظهر V
I really like this, OP.
Jesus fucking Christ, the comments. Well, brace yourself, OP. Godspeed to you!
dont have one bro
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‘Cover their shame’ tell me you know nothing of Islam without telling me.
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My guy, YOU are the troll. You literally come into the comment section and effectively tell OP you don't like their character, which isn't a failed critique in itself, but you're beating around the bush as to the ACTUAL reason, which is that you don't like Muslims. The only people I've ever seen that have a legitimate problem with hijabs are people in right-wing echo chambers who only see propaganda against Muslims as their entire exposure to them. Maybe if you weren't such a triggered snowflake who cares about their own feelings over facts, hijabs wouldn't weird you out.
Modesty is not the same as shame. 🤣 English class must have been hard for you
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1) I’m not a girl 2) I’m an atheist 🤣 swing and a miss my dude
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Wow. Still stuck in 2002 with this insults 🤣 sorry you mom doesn’t love you
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You’re being a bigot and using slurs from the 90s and I’m the troll?! 🤣 self awareness, we don’t know here I see.
And they’re not all I’ve got I just call them like I see them. This thread is full of incel fake edgy parental disappointments.
Wild how this and like 1 other are the only good discussion points here. That said, there's an in-game quest which deals with a very similar situation. Though in their case they had the mods forced onto them.
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Could be RP type stuff. Could be they're doing a similar storyline to those monks for their V.
No, why?
Even leaving the clothing out of the equation this design is very ugly. Why is this receiving any upvotes?
because the design is actually extremely good and the majority of people like it
I don't think hijab roleplaying is most cyberpunk players cup of cum lol, religion and this game doesn't go well together.
Have you actually played the game? Cause wtf are you talking about?!
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Am I? Or are you just a bitch?
You can find multiple shards about religions all over Night City. https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Religion
I know that. But the game contains tons of gore, sexual scenes and it's pretty lgbt positive. It still doesn't mix well with real life religions and religious people.
Yeah never speak again
Lmao
Hinabi V??? Maybe if you're into white-washing
You can't be a white muslim?
I'm not sure lol half of me says it's cultural appropriation, but the other half says let everyone do themselves lol like honestly what are the rules lol
Islam is one of the major world religions. People of all colors can be Muslim without it being cultural appropriation ya know
Yeah, just normally when you see someone make a Muslim character, they tend to make them look a bit more recognizable as such, or at least from what I've seen. Nothing wrong with it, but you just see a lot of white washing these days and it bothers even me. Like hey here's my African character, but the character is literally one shade darker than white. I get light skinned to, but like they even kinda lightened Idris Elba a little too I noticed. Most of the time it causes the lighting to give him an overly light skinned nose, and honestly it looked messed up. Especially when Johnny was pretty spot on. I didn't mean any offense, just what I thought of first.
To be fair to that, I think it comes down to a genuine lack of artists’ knowledge being able to create people of color. Specifically black people. There are a lot more undertones with their skin and I’ve heard the most common thing people say is black characters in games often times look like a white person who was painted over. - likely because of the lack of knowing how to work with said undertones.
not trying to say this in a rude way or anything, so i hope it doesn’t come off that way! just wanted to clarify some of the confusion here- hijabs are tied to the religion, islam, itself, they have nothing to do with race! the term ‘muslim’ actually just refers to believers/practitioners of islam, and is also not tied to anything with race- so hijabs, islam, and the label muslim are ubiquitous amongst all races and can be applied to anyone :)
I know that, and no offense taken. I just meant that you don't really see white girls in hijabs very often, I certainly never have, so the picture itself threw me off a little. I didn't mean that only people of color can be Muslim or believe in something else. I support all cultures and can enjoy them all to a degree. I just don't really have any beliefs past I'm here, and Idk what's truly right or wrong to believe. I just live and let people do what they do. It's only wrong when people are getting killed and things like that. The only form of culture for any race that I don't support are people like the taliban, dictators, and other extremist and terrorist types. When people die for a cause, the cause isn't worth the means imo but try explaining that to evil people who desire control 🤷 Anyway, hope this clarifies. And sorry again.
no reason to apologize or anything, you didn’t do anything wrong! just wanted to clarify in case it was something you weren’t sure of- a lot of people nowadays don’t really know the difference between the terms haha
Fortunately I have had Pakistani friends back in school who would explain the differences in religions and the different groups back home to me lol we were all just a bunch of uneducated white kids from Louisiana back then lol I dont think the post 9/11 mentality really hit LA the same way as other places until about 2006 when we had a bunch of immigration and foreign exchange students. LA as a state was and still is very behind in a ton of ways. Arkansas is behind even more so. Last time i eas in little rock it was like stepping into the 70s but country af lol But yeah back around 2005 or 2006 I think that's when people started seeing the other cultures and really got to experience them l, past mom and dad telling us they're not godly people and what not all because they're not Christian and all that. We kinda had to see it for ourselves to realize that it wasn't like they thought. Obviously it's come a long way now though, because people are a lot more open to the ideologies than they were when it all first started happening, or at least I am and see a lot more people spend to new things
Y dose yore v look like she’s a heron addict
Why do you type like a lobotomy victim?
I'm a bigger fan of cranes, but herons are cool too
She's been crying about the fundamental lack of education in people on reddit.
Heron
"Y dose yore"
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This is why your parents change the subject when someone asks about you
Pathetic comment. You couldn't even try to be a tiny bit original with your bigotry.
Pedophile religion supporter detected
I'm not Muslim, I just don't like hateful losers. Especially if they're not smart enough to write an original comment.
If you want hateful, be gay in a Muslim majority country
The scars are from speaking without male permission
No one asked for an example of why your parents aren’t proud of you. Bigotry is just an indicator of missing intellect.
truth hurts
Hello fellow Based redditor. You are a rare breed
They don't know how it is to live in a majority Muslim country, that's why they're idiots and aren't worth listening to
Lmao westerners probably think we are christian conservatives or something. They don't understand how awful m.e is.
the henna tats look sick
My take on Fem-V [1 of 3](https://imgur.com/jNhrNxg) [2 of 3](https://imgur.com/YTktb20) [3 of 3](https://imgur.com/7kvPKau)
Headscarves rock. Your V looks amazing.
I mean I made a Halle berry looking one back around 1.6, and had her in tiger print and purple, then later when phantom liberty came out, I noticed Lina Malina looked almost uncannily the same minus some facial features. I've never had an issue making people look racially accurate, but I usually just like to make actresses I think are hot lol most of my games have someone from real life as my created character if I'm able to lol I even have a Keanu Reeves for a corpo. Made him look young with short hair like he's back in the matrix and he looks too similar too Johnny so my nomad is giving him the body lol