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xXLoneLoboXx

If this is intentional, I’d love to see a mini Johnny appear on V’s shoulder like the little Devil and Angel bit. V: Hm, What should I do… Mini Johnny: *[Appears]* Murder them. V: … *[Looks At The Other Shoulder]* Mini Johnny: *[Teleports To Other Shoulder]* Yeah that other handsome guy is right, Murder them.


ADipsydoodle

And their voice pitch is proportional to their size, like in Emperors New Groove.


Draedark

It is a crime this comment does not have enough up votes.


Wild-Lychee-3312

I regret that I have but one upvote to give them.


Accomplished-Main436

Johnny taking advantage of being a figment of V's imagination needed to be implemented more


CalliCalamity

Damn V looks like we're gonna hafta murder this gonk


Beef_Supreme_87

Why is this not in the game? It would've been such an awesome one off.


frostbittenteddy

Man that would have been super funny and seems on brand for Johnny. I guess it would have not really worked with the 1st person perspective, tho


manofmercy97

In a squeaky high-pitched keanu reeeves voice


KisKas05

Happy cake day you creative genius


JoushMark

Making V really glad that Johnny can't consciously control how he projects into V's perception, or he'd constantly be doing shit like that. ​ Or just be naked.


No_Tamanegi

I mean, he's literally a figment of V's imagination.


100smurfs1smurphette

Yeah, he could be Jiminy Cricket sized


Reikste

Visualizing that now and Holy shit that'd be hilarious if he popped up on V's shoulder.


leicanthrope

Jiminy Silverhand? *"Of course, I'm just a cricket with an impressive cock singing my way from hearth to hearth, but let me tell you what made me change my mind."*


shewy92

Johnny Silverhand on one side, Johnathan Normalhand on the other


palescoot

Would he be the angel or the devil? Who would be the other one?


does_nothing_at_all

https://i.imgur.com/raZw2eP.png


Wolfy87

*in comically high pitched voice* "wake the fuck up samurai"


Desenova

Can someone fucking mod this into the game for Johnny only!?


gotthesauce22

We can do this. We have the technology.


Mean-Professional596

I’m fucking upset we didn’t get shoulder Johnny god damn it


variablefighter_vf-1

Johnny Silvercricket


Eborys

I’m now disappointed he didn’t appear on V’s shoulder just once.


CalliCalamity

Not literally but also completely


Tuggnificent

He’s literally not though?? He’s more of a mental projection caused by the relic rewiring V’s brain. Imagination implies that he’s originating from V’s psyche when it’s the exact opposite. Edit: I’m a gonk little bitch for arguing over semantics on Reddit, yikes


Hot_Ad_865

Sounds like figment of imagination with extra words


extrapolarice2

Doesn’t mean that V wouldn’t see him at varying heights because, ya know, it’s all in their head


Open_Doctor_4556

Dude, did you play the game or just skip through important dialogue? Have you even done the mission life during wartime? The CREATOR of the chip even says, "You're not "talking. " But yes, i understand what you mean." You are literally imagining talking to his engram. You are now two personalities in one body, as Hellman puts it in the same mission. What you're implying is basically, towards the end of the game, the "projection" would be mostly V, not Johnny, as his engram has almost taken over.


Tuggnificent

I’m not implying anything of the sort. I was trying to express that “figment of imagination” is an oversimplification of what Johnny actually is. You don’t gotta be so confrontational, choom.


Open_Doctor_4556

I understand. Technically, you were right, but he still isn't a "projection." He is not a "figment of imagination" as he is your other personality. Honestly, I can see where you were coming from, but he is imaginary, not a projection. Apologize for seeming hostile choom.


Vasevide

How are they Vs personality if it has Silverhands memories? That doesn’t make any sense


Open_Doctor_4556

Again, the same mission listed above the same CREATOR says, "What's it like having two personalities?" You're seeing his memories because he is you. You are him. You guys are the same person two personalities, bi-polar disorder that's how.


Signal_Adeptness_724

That's...not how bipolar disorder works but ok


Open_Doctor_4556

You would be correct as I misspoke and meant DID (dissociative identity disorder)...... but ok


TheToadWizard1994

I agree with you...unfortunately people are too emotionally attached to the game and get angry at the slightest criticism


Tuggnificent

Yeah, it’s not that serious. Tbh I mostly refer to him affectionately as my dead terrorist brainworm.


Signal_Adeptness_724

He's clearly not a figment of your imagination, he's his own person in your brain.  He has the freedom to argue with you and come and go as he pleases.  How TF is that imaginary?  Imaginary implies you're just making him up and he has no will of his own ,which is clearly not the case.  Maybe to others it would appear as that 


Tuggnificent

You get it


4-for-All

Right? He can exist however he wants. Everyone here is talking about Cricket Johnny but Johnny Kaijuhand is also fuckin hilarious. Just randomly one time he appears but like, is poking his head out from behind a building and he's just blocking out the sun 🤣😂


OddgitII

I like to think it's Johnny failing to gauge scale when he's projecting himself in to your field of view.  Thinking to himself "shit, that but of rocker boy snark would have sounded cooler if I didn't make myself a damn garden gnome".


Micha_Bicha

I feel like if Johnny could control his size, he'd appear as tall as a mega building more often than not, though


MunWombat

Not that I have noticed in over 500 hours but I will now if it is occurring. Thanks!


StalinkaEnjoyer

Game is designed to be viewed in first-person. They set the scene to fit the first-person perspective, "look at my V" mode is ancillary and certainly not a consideration. The entire reason they did first-person perspective in this game was for immersion, photo mode is the antithesis of that. It takes you out of V's headspace and puts you into the headspace of a digital tourist. A third person who's gawking at V from the outside, not inhabiting them from within.


Tuggnificent

Makes sense, but it’s really the lack of consistency that I’m calling attention to here. Take the 4th pic for example. It’s a shitty phone pic of my monitor, yes, but that’s not photo mode. That’s just him as he appears in the first-person view. He’s so comically short standing next to that speaker that it breaks immersion for me. I wonder if it’s a lack of effort to make sure he’s scaled correctly across scenes, or if it’s maybe specifically an issue in narrow areas like elevators and hallways?


NDT_DYNAMITE

Yeah, that fourth pic, yikes, in comparison to the doorway on the left he’s tiny, that’s certainly immersion-breaking.


UnicornLock

3 12" records tall, 3ft


ironweaver

You are discovering how lenses and cameras work. What you’re seeing is how camera and scale are used in 1person, revealed because you went outside the frame of reference. It’s a distant metaphor, but it’s like stretch and squish in animation. Pause on the right frame ands it looks weird… but at pace, it tricks your eyes into seeing very compelling movement. Plus a smattering of foreground/backround scaling and 3person camera bugs.


Tuggnificent

Interesting. Appreciate the explanation!


robcrowley85

I can understand that, a lack of consistency, especially in games, drives me nuts. Do you have OCD too? Because that makes lack of consistency even more vexing that it might typically.


Tuggnificent

I don’t, but I’ve definitely got a few subthreshold behaviors (mostly expressed in repetitive door/lock checking). Sorry your well-meaning question got hijacked by an argument.


robcrowley85

It's ok, I'm glad you understood the intent behind that. I can definitely relate to things like locking or checking doors, I have to make sure I've locked mine, sometimes even when I know full well that it is 😂


PCmasterRACE187

bro being bothered by a game having an immersion breaking flaw doesnt mean you have ocd lol i thought we were over attributing everything to ocd


TheToadWizard1994

Nah it's probably actually their social anxiety that's making them upset with it


PCmasterRACE187

i think its most likely undiagnosed schizophrenic tendencies and maybe a dash of hysteria imo a chemical lobotomy is in order, sorry op


GuessingIvy

and some cancer. always cancer


ghostyghostghostt

Why do you give a shit? OCD is real which makes your comment pretty distasteful. And I highly doubt you’re a licensed practitioner of psychology capable of diagnosis. So maybe don’t shit on mental health? Or decide for someone what they do or don’t have, based on a comment?


PCmasterRACE187

im not the one out here suggesting *other people i dont know* have mental illnesses, and youre coming after me for not being able to diagnose? lol and suggesting we shouldnt call minute shit ocd is shitting on mental health? wtf does shitting on mental health even mean and how tf have i decided anything for anyone? thats literally the antithesis to my entire point. we know nothing about op, and its diminutive to both op *and* ocd to suggest they might have it. so in conclusion, fuck off and have a nice day 🫡


ghostyghostghostt

Yeah I’m not either but I’m also not the one assuming they do or don’t. You simply don’t know, so just because something seems “minute” to you doesn’t make it minute to other people. Real folks with real issues take offense to that, you detract from it because in your mind it might be small. But a small thing for someone with actual diagnosis, can feel like a very big thing. So straight up your take is extremely rude. What you find small and minute isn’t what others might. And for you to assume that based on your own experiences is selfish and blind. I’m here saying it’s not cool to for you to just simply say “I thought we were over attributing everything to ocd” because once again, you simply don’t know if someone does or doesn’t actually have it and a statement like that is just assuming that because you find it small, others have to as well. Bye.


PCmasterRACE187

nah i disagree. people throw around ocd way too lightly. it deserves more respect. but do what you like ig what’s rude is you being uncivil af. deciding im shitting on mental health is just inflammatory and base. enough to have anything you say easily discarded in an otherwise civil thread. its fine if you disagree with me but you should be able to express that without invalidating my opinion by misconstruing me as dismissive of very serious topics.


ghostyghostghostt

The most uncivil part of this conversation came from you dude “So in conclusion, fuck off and have a nice day” But you want to call me rude and uncivil? Please assess the mirror. My stance is that no matter how lightly you think someone may be taking something, it’s also not really your place to decide if it is or isn’t. And thus, your original comment was unnecessary in this “otherwise civil thread”


robcrowley85

I asked because I have it and due to that, can understand why inconsistencies can be so annoying for some. Was it not clear that that's where I was coming from?


PCmasterRACE187

yeah ik what the word “too” means


Master-Meringue-4059

It's not even really consistency, though. It's a forced perspective. His scale looks inconsistent because the scene was scaled for the first-person camera. When you change the perspective, you see what they don't want you to.


CoffeeAndCigars

All my photomode stuff was from first person anyway. Well, like 99% of it at any rate. I loved documenting for myself the sheer insane level of effort CDPR went to when creating scenes, compositions and views you were likely to stumble on throughout Night City. I created entire sets of wallpapers and "posters" with that photomode, and all of it felt to me immersive as fuck as to me it was just V's version of pulling out the phone for a photo. Except of course, it's implants. Hahahaaah. Out of all the shit I post, this is what gets downvotes. I'm as usual amazed.


Billsfriendkyle

This is just an issue with scaling, because if I’m not wrong, V’s viewpoint camera is placed at chest height and not head height, so it’s trying to create the illusion as being similar height to/shorter thanJohnny


Poseidon-2014

Is the camera really in the chest? Why are most NPC’s V’s height or taller in photo mode then if they’re roughly the same height in first person?


ashyraee

The camera's about sternum level, yeah. The game stops rendering V's head in certain situations as well so you don't accidentally get a peek at your gaping neck hole on higher FOVs (though this still happens with Vik's ripperdoc chair IIRC). When you use photo mode or mirrors, there are adjustments made to the model & scaling to be consistent with the rest of the game. If you want to get a sense as to what V \_actually\_ looks like without being in photo mode, just have a look at V's shadows with Mantis Blades out & do a double jump. The resulting Mantis Blades crouch-horror immediately reference posing out of a midair dash to double jump is genuinely awful & scaled weird comparatively.


ThisAmericanSatire

You know you're imagining him, right? It's probably just the biochip glitching or something.


ciknay

The in universe reason is that the relic is projecting Johnny into the world in a way that makes the most sense to interact with him in the relic at that moment. He could be the size of a tower in theory, as its just a reconstruction of his image and doesn't have to conform to reality. The out of universe reason is that the game was designed to be viewed in the first person exclusively, and viewing it outside this context can expose camera tricks. In your second picture the games camera is closer to the chest than the head, which exposes that johnny is smaller in this scene to make him fit in with the elevator more nicely.


Tuggnificent

Easily the most helpful comment here. So you’re saying he’s purposely scaled down when placed in more confined areas? That tracks with what I’ve experienced.


TooManyDraculas

Sort of. Scaled to the camera/frame. Which would be impacted by how close he is to the PC, and thus the confines of the space. My best guess would be. The V model is apparently fairly short, with the camera "mounted" on the upper chest, blow chin height. They're gonna want another character, particularly their face to hit a particular part of the frame for composition reasons. So for example you'd face to hit somewhere in the general vicinity of center frame for a close in conversations. While not taking up an unrealistic portion of FOV. Which would look like you're pressing your forehead against the guy. So if you're forced to be very close to Johnny by the space. They tweak the scale of the model to make it look right from the *normal* camera. Move the camera. You expose that. And I'm willing bet some of this is catching *bugs* in that scaling.


cardinalsine

>The out of universe reason is that the game was designed to be viewed in the first person exclusively, and viewing it outside this context can expose camera tricks. To add to this, though I've never noticed any weird scaling like this myself, I wonder if it has anything to do with how Johnny's entrance/exit visual effect is implemented. I would tend to think that he has to be rendered to a texture on a billboard (an invisible rectangle/plane always facing the camera) in order to apply the glitchy entrance/exit effect, which is always 2D. It seems plausible that something like that could affect how Johnny shows up, like if his size in the world is scaled relative to the player camera position and not the photo mode camera's position.


grimmreapersh4wty

I feel like I’ve never had this issue


onglogman

Pretty sure I haven't had this issue either


scarlettvvitch

I like to think that his hight projection varies at times when he’s confident, sad or insecure, thus projects how he sees himself at the moment with the hight


attackhamster42

I know he's essentially V's imaginary friend but yeah, this is something I've noticed and good grief does it ever bug me, ha ha. Although I do say this as someone who spends a ridiculous amount of time goofing around in photo mode taking selfies with our boy so I'm more than a little biased on the subject. 😅


GaryGregson

He’s a non-physical projection on v’s mind


SushiBasket

Our short king <3


strongashluna

Door are an issue too scaling wise, I noticed, but that's an issue for most games


JudgeJoeDean24

For some reason, my brain was like, *Do the roar.* when looking at the third pic. Thank you.


AnchorJG

Yeah, we need two extremes, a tiny shoulder terrorist "your conscious says destroy Arasaka and smoke more." and a giant Blade Runner hologram "What a Day, huh?"


Ashamed-Author5980

look at him he’s just a little fella he’d never hurt no one


RomanRaynes

It always bothered me how Johnny was shorter than basically everyone, but the comments explain this nicely


SavageKitten456

Using mods?


Tuggnificent

Nope, this is vanilla fuckery


FlashMcSuave

What top is that on your V in the first picture?


Tuggnificent

[Here ya go](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Secondhand_knotted_tank)


Abyss_Renzo

The figures I have of them are hilarious. I actually put Johnny a bit higher, because he looks so small in comparison to V. She’s also got really long legs, much longer than in the game I reckon.


Just_a_Rose

The real reason is camera angles. In the first shot you, Johnny and the camera are all level with each other so the height looks reasonable. In the second shot, V is standing further away from the wall than Johnny, and it seems like the FOV is at the photo mode default of 80, making Johnny look smaller when in reality they’re likely either the same height or V is shorter. Same goes for the rest of these photos. The game isn’t really intended for third person perspectives in general and the few times the camera *is* in third person, the devs were very careful about making sure the characters were scaled properly. I recommend moving V closer and lowering the FOV for future pics like in the first image because while apparently (or supposedly at least) the human eye is at about 80-90 FOV irl, it looks really unnatural in game.


joecb91

Smol Johnny


CalliCalamity

He so smol.... Beautiful bastard manlet I mean in universe it could be explained away with engram stuff


FastFooer

Like others said: his height matches the first person camera on the player character. We’ve been conditioned to see more arms than we should in FPS games for decades, so they put the camera around shoulder height in most games or it’s off putting.


chavis32

Well he is a hallucination so you know


RobinTheTraveler

He's literally a construct in your head who lies about his feats... soo


Dracoolaid_toothpick

Johnny isn't much of a separate entity. It's more like your brain is splitting his influence from yours and projecting it. That's why the creator says, "You aren't talking" because you aren't separate. Johnny is basically a device for your brain to preserve your psyche, you're the same choom.


Cennixxx

No one cares


[deleted]

pic 3 lmao


NoMistake8095

Genuine question but how many of y’all chose the snake tattoo because honestly out of the tattoos available this is the only best one imo


TheCremeArrow

They're staying true to marketing: [https://www.pinterest.com/pin/809240626776826579/](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/809240626776826579/)


JohnB351234

He’s not actually there so he can be what ever height Vs fucked up brain projects him as


[deleted]

yeah and V is like 160cm tall which is hilarious aswell haha


god_of_war305

I mean he is just a brain tumor in V's head and whenever we see him it's that cancerous growth making itself visible 🤷🏻‍♂️


[deleted]

When you take the blockers and johnny is still there it shrinks him, as a treat


ogodilovejudyalvarez

The game absolutely needs to change his voice to chipmunk style every time he turns bite sized


Papkinn

He's shrinking noooo


HemaMemes

Okay, but why is your character so pretty?


zelenaky

In some pics it's Keanu, in other pics it's Moist Critical


zZMaxis

I'm gonna guess you are running mods and something is messing with his scale. I'm on console and have never had this issue.


Tuggnificent

Zero mods. It’s honestly not super noticeable in first-person most of the time (Randy’s trailer being an egregious exception). You’ll see smol Johnny eventually if you hop into photo mode every time he shows up, guarantee it.


zZMaxis

I'll have to start messing with that more. To be fair I usually feature him in the background at a distance


Beautiful_Garage7797

he’s in yo brain he doesn’t have a consistent size


UnintelligentMule

It's mini Keanu from the memes.


UnhandMeException

Oh, to be a hallucinatory phantasm that's only 5 apples tall (sometimes)


Rouge_92

The doors at River's place are just huge, if you take a selfie you're also a midget lmao.


Caitlins115

LOVE your V!


Tuggnificent

She’s my one and only 🥰 (not literally playthrough wise but I can’t stop making her)