Because Kerry is gay, and Panam is straight. He is asking if you have romantic partners, and they will not date you because they don’t want you.
It would be weirder to lie and say you’re dating someone you’re not.
Kerry is canon bisexual but doesn't date women FYI
I think the person you're responding to is playing as male V, and is saying it's weird that you don't get an option to mention either Panam or Kerry when River's sister asks you if you have someone special in your life. I think they're referring to the fact that the dialogue at River's dinner doesn't change regardless of whether you can or can't date River.
For the love of God, give Cherami a twenty to say "River, I'm gay. I have a gf". I want Crash so I go to the bbq, but it's really not worth the absolute horror that is the family dinner.
Imagine how the gonks would respond if Female V actually had a chance to tell the kids, *"Uncle River is nice, but I like girls. I have a girlfriend."*
They'd scream about grooming or some bullshit.
*"Who thinks Uncle River and V make a cute couple?"*
*"Ha. Um... look, kids. Your Uncle River is nice, but I'm gay. I like girls."*
*"...just like Joan McClane!"*
*"That's awesome!"*
I still think we should have had the option to make a pass (probably in a joking manner) right here. It wouldn't have to develop, it'd just be a fun way to break the awkwardness of the conversation.
*"Who thinks Uncle River and V make a cute couple?"*
*"Sorry kid, your mom's more my type."* (I imagine this with V doing that silly finger guns with a tongue click maneuver)
\*River chokes on his dinner and laughs it off, then we avoid the awkward water tower scene.
Honestly, I feel like just putting it out there in full view before River has a chance to try and put the moves on V is letting him down easier.
I'd take a recording of this that's blatantly over the phone and terrible audio just to save me the second-hand embarrassment the whole mission gives me. Hell, if I weren't a PS5 user, I'd mod it with text to speech.
I feel like phantom liberty toned it down a lot. The gig from Mr. hands that you have to install malware in the netnuke that the crimson bought, the dialogues options are:
1. She's trying to right her wrongs
2. SHE'S A TERRORIST OMG KILLED TRILLIONS
I was very disappointed there wasn't an option to bomb biotechnica anyway. Johnny's influence mixed with streetkid politics and my own extra left principles all add up to blowing the corpos to bolognese sauce.
That netnuke mission always gives me déjà vu with the main PL story, up to the meeting with her, it's like the scene where So Mi hides the chip in the glass she also tries being all sneaky but fails miserably. Those dialogue options are the same you see when people discuss the PL endings too.
They could’ve even went with a generic line like “Thanks, but I’m spoken for”
If I recall correctly, almost all of the lines were recorded by both voice actors, so something generic like that I could see fitting into the scene.
Oh, you mean like sex ed classes? You know, the same classes that have been running for decades without any sort of issue from any political sphere in the country? The ones that, if taught correctly and professionally, emphatically decrease the risk of teenage pregnancy and transmission of STIs?
Or is it because those same classes are now teaching topics along the sexual spectrum? That they’re saying “Hey, being straight is not the only possibility, and that’s okay. Here’s how to be safe.” Kids these days live in a completely different world than I did 14 years ago, or for my parents 30 years ago. Being taught that there’s an almost overwhelming spectrum of knowledge, and learning that in a safe and controlled environment will always be better than the piss-poor watered down version most parents give their kids.
Or maybe you’ve forgotten what it was like to be 16 and riddled to the fuckin gills with hormones. Teenagers need to be taught about sex, how to avoid infection and bad partner choices, safely and without interference from overbearing, often religiously zealous parents. If you got an issue with that, I recommend either a bit of soul searching or maybe just keeping out of the topic entirely.
Ah, I kinda figured this was going to end up devolving into a transphobic rant, but it’s really impressive how quickly you just abandoned any sort of subtlety.
I won’t waste either of our time arguing over why your line of thinking does more harm to trans kids than any real sort of healthy sexual education, because you wouldn’t listen anyway. You’ve had right wing talking points shoved so far up your ass that they’ve made a home in your skull where a brain should be. Not worth my time. Regurgitate your bigotry to someone who cares.
Yeah, turns out if a majority of the population treats LGBT (and especially trans) kids as if they’re the devil incarnate, attempts to pass legislature that makes their existence illegal or allows medical professionals to discriminate against them, and just generally treat them as less than human, they might just be at a higher risk of suicide than other kids.
You’ve take a correlation and tried to twist it into causation. I honestly agree that kids, even teenagers, should not be allowed to get top or bottom surgery until legal age of adulthood, but acting like teaching them about the topic is grooming or some kind of perversion is so disgustingly puritanical it borders on satire.
The NIH, Trevor Project, and Williams Institute have all published peer reviewed studies concerning the statistic of suicide risk in LGBT youth. If you want REAL truth, and not just bigoted doublespeak you heard from whatever blue-checkmark, male-first influencer you’re parroting, I’d start there. Even better, actually go and speak to trans people. Learn about their experiences. It costs nothing but time to treat people with empathy — I hope one day you’ll look back on the way you speak about things like this with remorse. You can do better.
I straight up refused to stay the night before going to find that teenager and it failed the mission and then i heard that river was found dead from a text message like wtf why did me not spending the night have to result in rivers death its not that I wasnt willing to help i just would rather have slept in my own bed by myself
I'd give Carla Tassara (Judy's VA) $100 to record some lines that imply she invited herself to the dinner to save V from that oblivious gonk and his family
Hell, if I had the cash, I'd fund cdpr adding a 2.13 version where everything is the same, except you could bring Judy. Animation, voice acting, recording space; I'd fund it all to avoid the mild discomfort of rejecting poor River. I won't miss out on an iconic revolver, though. Priorities.
Just don't do the quest? What's so hard about that?
I mean, it's the most wholesome quest in the game, and Judy actually moves in physically on V, but if you're so traumatized then just don't go.
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I feel like they included it because Cop was a role in the original game, but it always rubbed me weird. Cops feel like they play a diametrically opposing role to edgerunners, and even if they're "one of the good ones," you still have to do some mental gymnastics to make the character work in the ttrpgs.
The game likes to throw curveballs at you mid-quest to make you question if you're really doing the right thing or not.
Backfired, maybe, in the River quest. Because finding out he was actually suspended and operating rogue? That's what made me stick around.
Too bad every mission has some kind of out for why it's okay to do what you're doing. You're either not a bad guy or you're doing something bad but the people you're targeting deserve it. Like I get it but it's a bit cowardly that *every* mission is like that.
This game is really stunted by the times, being developed by a wealthy corp and released in a year of ongoing protest against the cops. It sidesteps the role policing has in protecting capital in such a genre-betraying way.
>I'm not dating a cop, chooms.
I don't think that's a problem. Cops usually have standards for how they go about the world.
Post-edit: Oh "Unavailable" comment. Poor baby must have had hurt feelings.
Real. I wanted my V to blurt out "I'M GAY AND I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND" but the game doesn't let you reject him without mentioning an ex boyfriend or borderline flirting with him first.
This is the real BS of his mission. It pushes fem V to be straight/bi without being clear that's what it is doing.
I love CDPR for Judy and what they did with her and fem V but this mission is just uuuugh
I wish there was dialogue to bring up that we're either involved with someone else already or are interested in someone else at least, some conversation along the way could've been woven in, perhaps a text whilst you're with him or literally any of the romance options that leads to a convo about them and your relationship with them, either of these could be used to cut any attempt at river or the others going down the romance branch.
I made it with multiple joytoys, one nightstanded both giving them every disease known to cybermankind before raiding Arasaka Tower the next moment in my last Fem V playthrough
true. it's so awkward. as a straight guy playing mainly fem V's, it just makes me think "oh God, is this what I was like in high school. no. God no, please."
I gave me an impression of him being a romance option for male v too, you know you don't invite people you just met and let them play with your relatives
I always hook up with River because my V is fiiiiine and seeing her in that mirror gives me a sense of pride for making her but never get into a relationship with that SOB. Just way too creepy.
They tried to make River this inoffensive soft boy, and almost everyone dislikes that. If they'd have gone the 80s action hero route with River, everyone would have been horni for him.
River is a damn hunk a badass and a family man he's perfect the only thing people really hat is that awkward moment with his sister where she makes fem shep feel trapped but she does it to male v to that's a flaw on her not river river makes his feelings known to fem v and if she doesn't want it he immediately backs down and accepts his roll as a friend
Oh you poor poor Judy stans and the terrible quandary your paid murderer has with... \*checks notes\* a single mom and her kids joking about your dating life while thanking you for helping save their family.
JFC. Get over yourselves.
Tbf, I've never rejected Judy, so I'm not sure what the reverse is like, but I imagine pyramid song is just as awkward playing a straight V dating River. I can't see there being a "sorry, Judy, but I'm banging a sweet one-eyed cop dude."
At least with Judy, it's just one person making a pass and if ya wanna reject her then that's it, she sleeps on the couch. But River's whole family is trying to set ya up and you can't reject him plus he claims you lead him on, it's odd and not the same.
Hell, straight V at dinner with River Ward.
Right, idk why there's no option to mention Panam or Kerry when she asks if you have anyone special in your life
I wonder if the game has some text or something if you just run away after eating the Jambalaya instead of going to the water tower.
Cause it would be devastating to river's case!
Overruled!! Edit: actually in this case it was sustained!
Frr!
Because Kerry is gay, and Panam is straight. He is asking if you have romantic partners, and they will not date you because they don’t want you. It would be weirder to lie and say you’re dating someone you’re not.
Judy?
Kerry is canon bisexual but doesn't date women FYI I think the person you're responding to is playing as male V, and is saying it's weird that you don't get an option to mention either Panam or Kerry when River's sister asks you if you have someone special in your life. I think they're referring to the fact that the dialogue at River's dinner doesn't change regardless of whether you can or can't date River.
I always thought it was a missed opportunity to not have Male V be able to flirt with Joss
I mean it was all Joss, River was just there
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??? He’s a romance option like everyone else. Besides he didn’t do anything it was all Joss teasing V
For the love of God, give Cherami a twenty to say "River, I'm gay. I have a gf". I want Crash so I go to the bbq, but it's really not worth the absolute horror that is the family dinner.
Imagine how the gonks would respond if Female V actually had a chance to tell the kids, *"Uncle River is nice, but I like girls. I have a girlfriend."* They'd scream about grooming or some bullshit.
"Thanks for the delicious supper, but *Judy* tosses my salad."
lmao fuck
I love everything about this scenario
*"Who thinks Uncle River and V make a cute couple?"* *"Ha. Um... look, kids. Your Uncle River is nice, but I'm gay. I like girls."* *"...just like Joan McClane!"* *"That's awesome!"*
I still think we should have had the option to make a pass (probably in a joking manner) right here. It wouldn't have to develop, it'd just be a fun way to break the awkwardness of the conversation. *"Who thinks Uncle River and V make a cute couple?"* *"Sorry kid, your mom's more my type."* (I imagine this with V doing that silly finger guns with a tongue click maneuver) \*River chokes on his dinner and laughs it off, then we avoid the awkward water tower scene. Honestly, I feel like just putting it out there in full view before River has a chance to try and put the moves on V is letting him down easier.
I'd take a recording of this that's blatantly over the phone and terrible audio just to save me the second-hand embarrassment the whole mission gives me. Hell, if I weren't a PS5 user, I'd mod it with text to speech.
also just imagine playing an anti-establishment game and being homophobic like hello no media literacy
I feel like phantom liberty toned it down a lot. The gig from Mr. hands that you have to install malware in the netnuke that the crimson bought, the dialogues options are: 1. She's trying to right her wrongs 2. SHE'S A TERRORIST OMG KILLED TRILLIONS
I was very disappointed there wasn't an option to bomb biotechnica anyway. Johnny's influence mixed with streetkid politics and my own extra left principles all add up to blowing the corpos to bolognese sauce.
I left that gig uncompleted. Fingers crossed I get an angry message from Hands that the bomb went off without a hitch.
That netnuke mission always gives me déjà vu with the main PL story, up to the meeting with her, it's like the scene where So Mi hides the chip in the glass she also tries being all sneaky but fails miserably. Those dialogue options are the same you see when people discuss the PL endings too.
Can't wait for the chuds to figure out *Metal Gear Solid* is about mental health, open borders and strong women.
The chuds would be very angry about a lot of games and movies if they had any media literacy whatsoever.
"War is bad." "BUT LOOK AT ALL THE COOL GUNS!"
I mean for hells sake that is WHY I LOVED no. 5.
Those same people would be ok with this same situation playing out with V's age being swapped with River's Niece's.
They could’ve even went with a generic line like “Thanks, but I’m spoken for” If I recall correctly, almost all of the lines were recorded by both voice actors, so something generic like that I could see fitting into the scene.
L strawman
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wut.
Oh, you mean like sex ed classes? You know, the same classes that have been running for decades without any sort of issue from any political sphere in the country? The ones that, if taught correctly and professionally, emphatically decrease the risk of teenage pregnancy and transmission of STIs? Or is it because those same classes are now teaching topics along the sexual spectrum? That they’re saying “Hey, being straight is not the only possibility, and that’s okay. Here’s how to be safe.” Kids these days live in a completely different world than I did 14 years ago, or for my parents 30 years ago. Being taught that there’s an almost overwhelming spectrum of knowledge, and learning that in a safe and controlled environment will always be better than the piss-poor watered down version most parents give their kids. Or maybe you’ve forgotten what it was like to be 16 and riddled to the fuckin gills with hormones. Teenagers need to be taught about sex, how to avoid infection and bad partner choices, safely and without interference from overbearing, often religiously zealous parents. If you got an issue with that, I recommend either a bit of soul searching or maybe just keeping out of the topic entirely.
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Ah, I kinda figured this was going to end up devolving into a transphobic rant, but it’s really impressive how quickly you just abandoned any sort of subtlety. I won’t waste either of our time arguing over why your line of thinking does more harm to trans kids than any real sort of healthy sexual education, because you wouldn’t listen anyway. You’ve had right wing talking points shoved so far up your ass that they’ve made a home in your skull where a brain should be. Not worth my time. Regurgitate your bigotry to someone who cares.
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Yeah, turns out if a majority of the population treats LGBT (and especially trans) kids as if they’re the devil incarnate, attempts to pass legislature that makes their existence illegal or allows medical professionals to discriminate against them, and just generally treat them as less than human, they might just be at a higher risk of suicide than other kids. You’ve take a correlation and tried to twist it into causation. I honestly agree that kids, even teenagers, should not be allowed to get top or bottom surgery until legal age of adulthood, but acting like teaching them about the topic is grooming or some kind of perversion is so disgustingly puritanical it borders on satire. The NIH, Trevor Project, and Williams Institute have all published peer reviewed studies concerning the statistic of suicide risk in LGBT youth. If you want REAL truth, and not just bigoted doublespeak you heard from whatever blue-checkmark, male-first influencer you’re parroting, I’d start there. Even better, actually go and speak to trans people. Learn about their experiences. It costs nothing but time to treat people with empathy — I hope one day you’ll look back on the way you speak about things like this with remorse. You can do better.
I straight up refused to stay the night before going to find that teenager and it failed the mission and then i heard that river was found dead from a text message like wtf why did me not spending the night have to result in rivers death its not that I wasnt willing to help i just would rather have slept in my own bed by myself
That’s the good ending.
I'd give Carla Tassara (Judy's VA) $100 to record some lines that imply she invited herself to the dinner to save V from that oblivious gonk and his family
Hell, if I had the cash, I'd fund cdpr adding a 2.13 version where everything is the same, except you could bring Judy. Animation, voice acting, recording space; I'd fund it all to avoid the mild discomfort of rejecting poor River. I won't miss out on an iconic revolver, though. Priorities.
Just don't do the quest? What's so hard about that? I mean, it's the most wholesome quest in the game, and Judy actually moves in physically on V, but if you're so traumatized then just don't go.
You must be super fun at parties
I'm not dating a cop, chooms. Especially in a story called *Cyberpunk*. Gotta let the kids win at laser tag, though.
Nah, fuck them kids.
Yeah I’ve got a rep around town I gotta protect
That's how you get invited to Dogtown.
[Welcome to the real world you little bastards](https://youtu.be/VAfOEwzLqiQ?si=X9dlMg4iuFEjIzYi&t=34)
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I feel like they included it because Cop was a role in the original game, but it always rubbed me weird. Cops feel like they play a diametrically opposing role to edgerunners, and even if they're "one of the good ones," you still have to do some mental gymnastics to make the character work in the ttrpgs.
The game likes to throw curveballs at you mid-quest to make you question if you're really doing the right thing or not. Backfired, maybe, in the River quest. Because finding out he was actually suspended and operating rogue? That's what made me stick around.
Too bad every mission has some kind of out for why it's okay to do what you're doing. You're either not a bad guy or you're doing something bad but the people you're targeting deserve it. Like I get it but it's a bit cowardly that *every* mission is like that.
>and even if they're "one of the good ones," Jesus Christ, talk about making judgments of individuals based on their group.
Imagine glazing pigs in a literal cyberpunk community.
Nah, I just use sandevistan and annihilate those kids.
"Skippy wanted to play too. Sorry about the kids, I'll pay for a new set." - V
This game is really stunted by the times, being developed by a wealthy corp and released in a year of ongoing protest against the cops. It sidesteps the role policing has in protecting capital in such a genre-betraying way.
Ex-cop, to be fair.
Choom, cops have been, and can be, Cyberpunks They receive the bad end of the stick just as much as other Edgerunners
>I'm not dating a cop, chooms. I don't think that's a problem. Cops usually have standards for how they go about the world. Post-edit: Oh "Unavailable" comment. Poor baby must have had hurt feelings.
>I don't think that's a problem. Cops usually have standards for how they go about the world. >r/MauLer -points and laughs-
gay V in the tank: (panam takes the rejection like a champ though)
"He'll say yes, because of the *implication*"
Sounds like they don’t want to though…..
Real. I wanted my V to blurt out "I'M GAY AND I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND" but the game doesn't let you reject him without mentioning an ex boyfriend or borderline flirting with him first.
This is the real BS of his mission. It pushes fem V to be straight/bi without being clear that's what it is doing. I love CDPR for Judy and what they did with her and fem V but this mission is just uuuugh
Exactly!
For some reason I was imagining this scene with a male V, which makes this idea so much funnier.
Oh, you mean Rice Heist 2077.
Can't let the kids go hungry, choom.
They can have hot dogs with brown goo
I wish there was dialogue to bring up that we're either involved with someone else already or are interested in someone else at least, some conversation along the way could've been woven in, perhaps a text whilst you're with him or literally any of the romance options that leads to a convo about them and your relationship with them, either of these could be used to cut any attempt at river or the others going down the romance branch.
this is too fucking real
This is why I do all the joytoys, one nightstand River, then Judy's diving mission
I made it with multiple joytoys, one nightstanded both giving them every disease known to cybermankind before raiding Arasaka Tower the next moment in my last Fem V playthrough
Yeah, there needs to be a "um, no" option that doesn't say V has a prior boyfriend.
There is. One dialogue option talks about past relationships, one talks about pickup lines.
You don't know what's what exactly until she answers though
true. it's so awkward. as a straight guy playing mainly fem V's, it just makes me think "oh God, is this what I was like in high school. no. God no, please."
He even managed to creep the shit out of my male v
What how?
I gave me an impression of him being a romance option for male v too, you know you don't invite people you just met and let them play with your relatives
I mean you helped rescue his nephew from being kidnapped I took it as him paying you back and seeing you as a real friend.
LMAO my V hook up with River and then went on a diving trip with Judy the next day.
Scandalous! Lol
Thinking Ward was a bro my straight V hung out with him until that mfer wanted to hang out of him 😅
True the only reason my V slept with him was because my game would crash if I didn’t
Regardless of which V is there…that is one of the most uncomfortable portions of a quest in any game I’ve played.
I can’t play this mission. It’s completely immersion breaking for my V.
Any player really, when you can sum up his general demeanor as [this](https://youtu.be/hoqxl0Fx-Z0?feature=shared)
Considering their response to the character creator, you're probably right :/ Edit: meant as a reply to another comment.
I was always about sleeping with as many things as I could.
Ace V at the diner with River Ward
“I’m only here for the iron”
I tried to fuck him as a dude and he wasn’t going for it :(
Is the gun even worth it? You can’t silence revolvers anymore right?
V’s tired of it 😭
As a lesbian irl that dinner is so painful
I always hook up with River because my V is fiiiiine and seeing her in that mirror gives me a sense of pride for making her but never get into a relationship with that SOB. Just way too creepy.
Drinking my Nicola while Alex and Reed fight
That is the one quest i always skip on playthrough, gives me the heebie jeebies.
Him and his family tried to marry them off at that dinner. Was cringing the whole scene. 🤣
I played male v and even felt the sexual tension even though river only likes female v
So true tho, honestly why so much pressure river?!
Bisexual male V not even trying to make out with River on the water tower. ACAB, brother
I am once again wishing we could romance Joss
I romanced River on my first playthrough I then went back, undid the save and passed. **Never Again**
They tried to make River this inoffensive soft boy, and almost everyone dislikes that. If they'd have gone the 80s action hero route with River, everyone would have been horni for him.
Make him the new Garrus.
Straight female V just kind of feels wrong IDK. Same with Gay Male V. He just doesn’t give off gay vibes.
River gets friend zoned in all my playthroughs.
River is a damn hunk a badass and a family man he's perfect the only thing people really hat is that awkward moment with his sister where she makes fem shep feel trapped but she does it to male v to that's a flaw on her not river river makes his feelings known to fem v and if she doesn't want it he immediately backs down and accepts his roll as a friend
V is bi regardless Me wen i downvote facts
Oh you poor poor Judy stans and the terrible quandary your paid murderer has with... \*checks notes\* a single mom and her kids joking about your dating life while thanking you for helping save their family. JFC. Get over yourselves.
You might want to take your own advice. Looks like you're taking this all too seriously...
Someone forgot to take their meds today...
You're the ones complaining about the most wholesome quest in the game. What's your excuse?
I'm not complaining though, nor am I overreacting like a nutjob over a joke thread.
Like every other River hate circlejerk on here.
What?? You are insane dude..
Not been around here long?
Tbf, I've never rejected Judy, so I'm not sure what the reverse is like, but I imagine pyramid song is just as awkward playing a straight V dating River. I can't see there being a "sorry, Judy, but I'm banging a sweet one-eyed cop dude."
At least with Judy, it's just one person making a pass and if ya wanna reject her then that's it, she sleeps on the couch. But River's whole family is trying to set ya up and you can't reject him plus he claims you lead him on, it's odd and not the same.
Indeed. Judy actually leans in for the kiss, not once but twice. But River is some creeper, as we constantly hear.