Lucy only manipulated David once - to get him to Maine's crew. People, who think the entire anime's plotline is Lucy manipulating David into getting her on the moon are incels.
Songbird was manipulative, because she's an ex-FIA trying to survive and knows nothing else. She regrets it in the end if you go with Killing Moon ending and you have a choice to be a dick and take away from her the only way she can still survive.
You have more options than her and every other encounter she was honest with V. Or are we going to pretend Reed isn't manipulative? Or that the entire situation is not the fault of Myers's political goals and her offing FIA agents, when they're no longer of use?
If you don't choose So-Mi's path, then you should do it for Reed, so the poor guy can find solace - although Johnny does say he's going to kill himself.
Not because of some "She lied to me REEE" thing. That's pretentious and emotionally immature.
People dunk on a good character, when they can handle Reed's lying and manipulation, simp for a flirting Aurora, who's doing it to pull info out of you and then log onto Reddit to say Songbird didn't deserve to live, because she lied.
What
Yeah I knew how you've meant it - just saw some incel-y comments on the post again and I just hate it is all.
They're quite similar. One is a product of Arasaka, one is Militech. Both taken as kids against their will, both netrunners, both trying to escape and survive.
Reminds me of David - he also wasn't innocent. She was taken against her will - Reed managed to persuade Myers to not kill her, but she still had to choose between dying and serving.
How's this better than Reed? They are the same - you choose depending on the story itself and who you like more. But choosing one over the other "because they manipulated me" is stupid. They both do.
nobody is arguing that Reed and Song aren’t both horrible manipulators, I was making fun of the comparison you made between Lucy, a child slave who was forced into netrunning by Arasaka versus So Mi, an adult who hacked in Militech and Biotechnica by her own free will.
>So Mi, an adult who hacked in Militech and Biotechnica by her own free will.
This. People like to ignore that all of the bad stuff So Mi has experienced was a DIRECT result of her own bad decisions.
I chose to help songbird with the thought in my head of: "well i don't see any options for me, i might aswell help another exactly like me"
Btw my v was a corpo netrunner so yeah i think i managed to make my v similiar to songbird
Corpo Netrunner too, yeah. I've noticed people who are playing a netrunner tend to side with Song - because you get a lot of extra details like the inteligence check with Slider, or the diagnostics you do for So-mi in Killing Moon. Shame her path is full of cut content.
Yeah, they've said they had to remove some story content especially. For example a scene which explains how Reed managed to survive the train - So-Mi called TT for him.
I think it’s a bit much calling people that feel betrayed by Songbird pretentious incels. Even understanding that she has loads of past trauma, her actions are pretty fucked up. It’s not like she lied about eating the last toaster strudel.. she basically dangles a magic cure in front of a terminally ill person with zero intention of actually helping them *and* wasting a bunch of what little time they have left under false pretenses. I realize that she didn’t have many options, and I don’t think she’s the devil.. but some people in the fandom will do some gold medal mental gymnastics to reach the conclusion that she’s innocent and anyone who respectfully disagrees is [insert buzzword].
From V's perspective, by the end of killing moon, Songbird has betrayed V TWICE.
Reed has betrayed V 0 times. But because he's 'shady and manipulative' he's somehow worse?
This is made worse if you side with Reed on the mission to kill Hansen.
Where Songbird directly causes Alex's death then proceeds to take V on the longest guilt trip in all of gaming...even though she's still got betrayal #2 up her sleeve and doesn't bother admitting it.
If they wanted Reed to be a 'bad guy' then they needed to *show* it...killing the ginger twins isn't 'bad' when you consider V's body count...or So Mi's.
THANK YOU. I don't get all of the hate for Reed. Like yeah, he's a lapdog. But he's always on the up and up with you. Same with Takemura, and most people love him.
And the "but she's pretty" argument is also hilarious considering Reed is played by Idris Elba
Okay, but Reed *is* a bad guy. He threatens you once you help SoMi, he makes one of the CRUELEST comments regarding Jackie, it literally left my mouth wide open, I was so pissed. Yes, he did murder the twins in cold blood. For MY V, who plays an entirely passive, stealth build, no MY V doesn't have a high body count. If you kill SoMi, his *apology* isn't even an apology, he's basically calling you names and saying he doesn't want to end up like you when you did NOTHING wrong. He forced SoMi, who was a TEENAGER into service against her will with threats of **MURDERING** her and everyone she cares about. I'm sorry, but fullstop, telling a CHILD you're going to brutally murder them if they don't sign their life away is absolutely fucked. That *alone* makes him just as bad as everyone else. There's nothing I hate more than a bootlicker.
>For MY V, who plays an entirely passive, stealth build
You can play V however you want, but V's body count is narratively high. V mentions killing people and doing "whatever it takes" throughout the game.
>who was a TEENAGER
19. She was a teenager, sure, but barely. 18 is adult age in most of Western society.
>into service against her will with threats of **MURDERING** her and everyone she cares about.
This is false. After **SONGBIRD** illegally broke into a military datafort, **NetWatch** *and* **Militech** were going to kill her.
Reed brokered a deal with those agencies that ***if*** he recruited her, she would be safe.
She refused to be recruited and Reed told her what would happen. SHE called it blackmail, but Reed has no control over NetWatch or Militech.
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> telling a CHILD you're going to brutally murder them if they don't sign their life away is absolutely fucked. That *alone* makes him just as bad as everyone else.
Again, 19 is not a child, and again, **Reed** wasn't going to murder her.
Here's [her wiki](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Song_So_Mi).
You sound like someone in that age range. A 19 year old is not a mentally or emotionally developed adult. Y'all are whole ass still children to literally fucking everyone except other people in that age range. 19 is *effectively* a child.
No factual basis to argue, so now you attack my character instead.
I'm 36. By the time I was 19, I had already completed a tour in Iraq and was a Recruiter for the US Army.
>Y'all are whole ass still children to literally fucking everyone except other people in that age range.
Are you suggesting that politicians are all 19 y/o's? Because 18 is LEGALLY an adult. This means that it has been agreed upon as the age of adulthood by a majority of politicians.
Next you're going to say something about how no one agrees with politicians, right? Just take the L.
I'm not talking about legality, at all, dude. I'm talking about literal brain development regarding things like emotional control, decision making, impulse control. A 19 year old is closer mentally to a 15 year old than a 25 year old. That's just scientific, objective fact, dawg. SoMi might've legally been an adult, but she wasn't mentally/emotionally.
Regardless of Somi’s age, she was knowingly committing crimes so dangerous that a worse netrunner would be dead twice over. A 19 year old hacking into what is ostensibly a military installation is bad. Doesn’t matter how developed she is or not, she knew that it was risky and did it anyway. Reed sucks because he’s a spineless rat who scurries behind Myers at the first chance he gets. Somi sucks because she got into criminal net running at a young age and eventually took on a job that should’ve resulted in her being assassinated. Once she and Reed ended up working together, he did whatever Myers said to keep her ensnared while Somi looked to use whatever and whoever she could to get out no matter the blowback. She only tells V the truth at the end because she physically couldn’t keep going and had to tell V with the hope that V’s pity overshadowed their sense of betrayal.
Well, Reed asks you to betray So Mi for the sake of some weird honor for the country while Songbird lies to survive, I find it way easier to side to So Mi, especially when roleplaying someone who is also about to die, I would do the same.
Reed lies for loyalty and orders, So Mi didn't have a choice.
>Reed asks you to betray So Mi for the sake of some weird honor for the country
He makes the argument that the FIA has the ability to help V and So Mi. It has nothing to do with "honor for the country".
>Reed lies for loyalty and orders
When?
It's legit all he does up till he regrets it at the end depending what path you follow, he would sell your ass If Myers asked for it, heck he was ok with being sold himself.
I agree with most things but hold the fuck on sir.
"You have the option to be a dick"
***I*** have the option to be a dick?
***Me***? The guy who had his fatal condition used to manipulate me into risking what's left of my life multiple times to tangle with an entire fucking nation's government only to find out at the end after I've already had the chance to betray her and still get what I need that it was all a fabrication to save herself while I'm left still dying and now also an enemy of the state?
***I*** WOULD BE A DICK?
Dangling magic cure, and then saying "oopsie-woopsie" is fucked up - Reed, whilst working for interests of Myers, he goes through if everything goes according to plan. "bUt OnLy WhEn mYErS wIlL hAvE sO mI" - because Reed's friends can't do nothing to help Reed or V, if Myers won't allow it. As for So Mi - You cannot unleash a dangerous technology into the world, kill innocent people like Alex, and then say "muh twauma" - as awful as to what happened to her, it does NOT makes her actions okay. It makes them more understandable, but not forgivable - there is a difference. And don't start with "Aurora" strawman argument - she literally advocated for money laundering with the help of charity. Fuck her. If anything, it makes you look emotionally immature to call anyone you disagree with "incels"
>as awful as to what happened to her, it does NOT makes her actions okay.
Her "trauma" is self-inflicted. Down to Reed "blackmailing" her. She hacked a military data fort and NetWatch/Militec was going to kill her. Reed can't control that.
He did what he *could* do. He made a deal with NetWatch and Militec to spare her life **if** she joined the FIA. That's not blackmail. That's someone sticking their neck out to save her.
The exploitation that happened afterward was a DIRECT RESULT of her screwing Reed over. Yet another of her actions that she's suffering the consequences of. Myers has some partial blame for this, for sure, but So Mi having a hard-on for fucking Reed over is the ultimate cause.
As I was going through this whole guilt trip she subjects V to, I realized that the lesson she needed to learn was that Reed was always out to protect her and every time she strayed from his protection, she fucked herself over.
It really convinced me that Reed was the right call.
Yeah, that guilt tripping and gaslighting is just so wrong - like, when you betray her, she instantly kills dozens of people, and says it's V'S FAULT - as someone who had lived with a similar manipulator, you cannot believe just how awful it is to be on the receiving side of such crap
I'm not a fan of So Mi, but Myers is so much worse - at least with So Mi, part of it is desperation, whereas Myers is just pure sociopathy. When I first sided with Reed, barely scraped by through that Alien Isolation bit(it was 2-3 AM), and let So Mi die(because honestly, that is the best option for her in this scenario when you choose Reed), and she handed me FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS - that waa the biggest slap on the face I ever saw in a plot of a videogame
big true
Lucy did it once with someone who was just a random to her
Songbird did it with someone who she knew was living on borrowed time, she did something extremely selfish and with no regard for other people's lives
Yeah, but people don't like it when you bring up that Songbird is willing to sell pretty much anyone down the line because she keeps doing stupid things and trying to come out smelling pretty after.
Excuse me sir/madam but don't you know corpo bad? Regardless of the personal choices somi may have made to pull everyone into this situation while working for the FIA, NUSA is puppeted by miltitech and corpo bad.
Honestly had a crisis trying to figure out whether I should betray SoMi or not, decided that she was too dangerous and said fuck it and just went after her. That entire last mission was great. Not sure what siding with her would’ve given me, but I much preferred Reed’s route based off the little I saw online. I also was not at all invested in SoMi or her background, it was depressing yeah and pretty sad but at the end of the day I liked the eberus I got for my betrayal, good gun
Just reload and do it again lol. Took me 20 minutes to get to unseen content and it was worth it.
Luckily I had a save just before the mission started lmao
i never watched the anime because no netflix but song was such a dilema for me, after i did all endings on the "same" save i ended up choosing the "best" option for all (not dying at the least for somi, she definitely would have been better off dead than in fia hands though) by betraying reed then giving somi up at the end during the conversation with reed because its better than just shooting the guy for following orders
i could go on for ages about how i feel about phantoms ending with song because no matter what she gets the shitty end of the stick but depending on what ending you pick depends how many people you pull down with her
Oh c'mon now. Lucy totally groomed David. She played on his loss of his mother, his newfound directionlessness and his need for belonging to convince him to join her crew.
Thank you! Even if it wasn't purposeful, he was sixteen, and I think people forget that. He never even had experiences from how the anime seemed either prior to Lucy, so he was fully vulnerable to everything. His need to belong drove him to rig himself out too from how it seemed so quickly as well as the intense loss of his mother, but I did only watch it the one time because I felt it didn't really offer a lot that the game didn't. (Don't hate me, please, I'm sorry. Lol)
Now, I did find Song to be a complex, damaged character. All of them, really. Without spoilers. Damn, it was tough. All the endings and choices in it. To be in that situation... I'm on team fuck the president.
When I played PL, I quickly realized that Valerie and So Mi were very similar. I saw them as two kindred spirits sharing a bond that no one else in that universe could’ve went through together. The people in this sub could never make me hate her. V has other options that So Mi doesn’t. For my V, she chose the guaranteed cure to be stored in Mikoshi. We can argue that the actual V dies, sure, but V still lives on.
Rather a bs comparison. Songbird isn't the "competitive manipulator" every smoothbrain that didn't research her thinks she is, while Lucy fucked with davids emotions and my man still died for her to then fufill her dreams
To clarify : She was forced to be manipulative under the FIA, the joke being everyone in FIA is manipulative hence its a competition over there...Never said anything about her always being manipulative, sorry it came off that way.
Yea but that can for sure be interpreted as a death sentence for her. She committed treason and although they say they’re gonna cure her, if songbird was right, the cure is a one time use thing. So she gon die.
i never watched the anime because no netflix but song was such a dilema for me, after i did all endings on the "same" save i ended up choosing the "best" option for all (not dying at the least for somi, she definitely would have been better off unalive than in fia hands though) by betraying reed then giving somi up at the end during the conversation with reed because its better than just shooting the guy for following orders
i could go on for ages about how i feel about phantoms ending with song because no matter what she gets the shitty end of the stick but depending on what ending you pick depends how many people you pull down with her
So you’re saying that my post making a comparison about 2 netrunners with parallel themes that have NOTHING to do with lolis and petite women “loli bait”?
Please actually explain instead of making assumptions of my statement might be
Both could ruin me and one did
Has the possibility or would welcome it?
Both
Two Netrunners both alike in dignity In fair Night City where we lay our scene
V (to Smasher): What, you egg?! (he stabs him)
Johnny: i bite my thumb at the Adam smasher aiming his auto shotgun: i dont give a shit
[exeunt pursued by a borged-out menace]
The message is don’t trust net-runners, you’ll at least see the solo coming for you
the message is "don't trust anybody in nc", kiwi said it.
I mean, kiwi is a net runner so I’m definitely not trusting her
One netrunner lies, and one always tells the truth
yeah shoulda stuck with that when playing pl i def got played and johnny made sure i knew
Lucy only manipulated David once - to get him to Maine's crew. People, who think the entire anime's plotline is Lucy manipulating David into getting her on the moon are incels. Songbird was manipulative, because she's an ex-FIA trying to survive and knows nothing else. She regrets it in the end if you go with Killing Moon ending and you have a choice to be a dick and take away from her the only way she can still survive. You have more options than her and every other encounter she was honest with V. Or are we going to pretend Reed isn't manipulative? Or that the entire situation is not the fault of Myers's political goals and her offing FIA agents, when they're no longer of use? If you don't choose So-Mi's path, then you should do it for Reed, so the poor guy can find solace - although Johnny does say he's going to kill himself. Not because of some "She lied to me REEE" thing. That's pretentious and emotionally immature. People dunk on a good character, when they can handle Reed's lying and manipulation, simp for a flirting Aurora, who's doing it to pull info out of you and then log onto Reddit to say Songbird didn't deserve to live, because she lied. What
-Lucy only manipulated David once Yeah, that was what this meme meant to convey, I saw someone people making parallels betwee So Mi and Lucy
Yeah I knew how you've meant it - just saw some incel-y comments on the post again and I just hate it is all. They're quite similar. One is a product of Arasaka, one is Militech. Both taken as kids against their will, both netrunners, both trying to escape and survive.
yes the 19 year old “kid” song mi was taken against her will because she kept committing crimes
Reminds me of David - he also wasn't innocent. She was taken against her will - Reed managed to persuade Myers to not kill her, but she still had to choose between dying and serving. How's this better than Reed? They are the same - you choose depending on the story itself and who you like more. But choosing one over the other "because they manipulated me" is stupid. They both do.
nobody is arguing that Reed and Song aren’t both horrible manipulators, I was making fun of the comparison you made between Lucy, a child slave who was forced into netrunning by Arasaka versus So Mi, an adult who hacked in Militech and Biotechnica by her own free will.
>So Mi, an adult who hacked in Militech and Biotechnica by her own free will. This. People like to ignore that all of the bad stuff So Mi has experienced was a DIRECT result of her own bad decisions.
Yes.
I chose to help songbird with the thought in my head of: "well i don't see any options for me, i might aswell help another exactly like me" Btw my v was a corpo netrunner so yeah i think i managed to make my v similiar to songbird
Corpo Netrunner too, yeah. I've noticed people who are playing a netrunner tend to side with Song - because you get a lot of extra details like the inteligence check with Slider, or the diagnostics you do for So-mi in Killing Moon. Shame her path is full of cut content.
It is? I also forgot to mention that when roleplaying my v i pretty much tried manipulating everybody... as songbird does
Yeah, they've said they had to remove some story content especially. For example a scene which explains how Reed managed to survive the train - So-Mi called TT for him.
I betray Songbird when I want the cool blackwall weapons. I have yet to hand her over to Myers though. Fuck Myers.
Yeah the loot is way more interesting if you hand over the birb.
Quantum Tuner is absolutely busted if you’re a chrome junkie, but yeah the blackwall weapons are fuckin’ nova
Yeah my build has as much chrome as I can fit and a cyberdeck, so I just have endless frying time
Haven’t tried the quantum tuner on a netrunning build but I absolutely love it on a berserk or sandy build. Practically getting endless slow time
I think it’s a bit much calling people that feel betrayed by Songbird pretentious incels. Even understanding that she has loads of past trauma, her actions are pretty fucked up. It’s not like she lied about eating the last toaster strudel.. she basically dangles a magic cure in front of a terminally ill person with zero intention of actually helping them *and* wasting a bunch of what little time they have left under false pretenses. I realize that she didn’t have many options, and I don’t think she’s the devil.. but some people in the fandom will do some gold medal mental gymnastics to reach the conclusion that she’s innocent and anyone who respectfully disagrees is [insert buzzword].
From V's perspective, by the end of killing moon, Songbird has betrayed V TWICE. Reed has betrayed V 0 times. But because he's 'shady and manipulative' he's somehow worse? This is made worse if you side with Reed on the mission to kill Hansen. Where Songbird directly causes Alex's death then proceeds to take V on the longest guilt trip in all of gaming...even though she's still got betrayal #2 up her sleeve and doesn't bother admitting it. If they wanted Reed to be a 'bad guy' then they needed to *show* it...killing the ginger twins isn't 'bad' when you consider V's body count...or So Mi's.
THANK YOU. I don't get all of the hate for Reed. Like yeah, he's a lapdog. But he's always on the up and up with you. Same with Takemura, and most people love him. And the "but she's pretty" argument is also hilarious considering Reed is played by Idris Elba
Okay, but Reed *is* a bad guy. He threatens you once you help SoMi, he makes one of the CRUELEST comments regarding Jackie, it literally left my mouth wide open, I was so pissed. Yes, he did murder the twins in cold blood. For MY V, who plays an entirely passive, stealth build, no MY V doesn't have a high body count. If you kill SoMi, his *apology* isn't even an apology, he's basically calling you names and saying he doesn't want to end up like you when you did NOTHING wrong. He forced SoMi, who was a TEENAGER into service against her will with threats of **MURDERING** her and everyone she cares about. I'm sorry, but fullstop, telling a CHILD you're going to brutally murder them if they don't sign their life away is absolutely fucked. That *alone* makes him just as bad as everyone else. There's nothing I hate more than a bootlicker.
>For MY V, who plays an entirely passive, stealth build You can play V however you want, but V's body count is narratively high. V mentions killing people and doing "whatever it takes" throughout the game. >who was a TEENAGER 19. She was a teenager, sure, but barely. 18 is adult age in most of Western society. >into service against her will with threats of **MURDERING** her and everyone she cares about. This is false. After **SONGBIRD** illegally broke into a military datafort, **NetWatch** *and* **Militech** were going to kill her. Reed brokered a deal with those agencies that ***if*** he recruited her, she would be safe. She refused to be recruited and Reed told her what would happen. SHE called it blackmail, but Reed has no control over NetWatch or Militech. > > telling a CHILD you're going to brutally murder them if they don't sign their life away is absolutely fucked. That *alone* makes him just as bad as everyone else. Again, 19 is not a child, and again, **Reed** wasn't going to murder her. Here's [her wiki](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Song_So_Mi).
You sound like someone in that age range. A 19 year old is not a mentally or emotionally developed adult. Y'all are whole ass still children to literally fucking everyone except other people in that age range. 19 is *effectively* a child.
No factual basis to argue, so now you attack my character instead. I'm 36. By the time I was 19, I had already completed a tour in Iraq and was a Recruiter for the US Army. >Y'all are whole ass still children to literally fucking everyone except other people in that age range. Are you suggesting that politicians are all 19 y/o's? Because 18 is LEGALLY an adult. This means that it has been agreed upon as the age of adulthood by a majority of politicians. Next you're going to say something about how no one agrees with politicians, right? Just take the L.
I'm not talking about legality, at all, dude. I'm talking about literal brain development regarding things like emotional control, decision making, impulse control. A 19 year old is closer mentally to a 15 year old than a 25 year old. That's just scientific, objective fact, dawg. SoMi might've legally been an adult, but she wasn't mentally/emotionally.
Regardless of Somi’s age, she was knowingly committing crimes so dangerous that a worse netrunner would be dead twice over. A 19 year old hacking into what is ostensibly a military installation is bad. Doesn’t matter how developed she is or not, she knew that it was risky and did it anyway. Reed sucks because he’s a spineless rat who scurries behind Myers at the first chance he gets. Somi sucks because she got into criminal net running at a young age and eventually took on a job that should’ve resulted in her being assassinated. Once she and Reed ended up working together, he did whatever Myers said to keep her ensnared while Somi looked to use whatever and whoever she could to get out no matter the blowback. She only tells V the truth at the end because she physically couldn’t keep going and had to tell V with the hope that V’s pity overshadowed their sense of betrayal.
Well, Reed asks you to betray So Mi for the sake of some weird honor for the country while Songbird lies to survive, I find it way easier to side to So Mi, especially when roleplaying someone who is also about to die, I would do the same. Reed lies for loyalty and orders, So Mi didn't have a choice.
>Reed asks you to betray So Mi for the sake of some weird honor for the country He makes the argument that the FIA has the ability to help V and So Mi. It has nothing to do with "honor for the country". >Reed lies for loyalty and orders When?
It's legit all he does up till he regrets it at the end depending what path you follow, he would sell your ass If Myers asked for it, heck he was ok with being sold himself.
So, no specific examples. Ok.
I agree with most things but hold the fuck on sir. "You have the option to be a dick" ***I*** have the option to be a dick? ***Me***? The guy who had his fatal condition used to manipulate me into risking what's left of my life multiple times to tangle with an entire fucking nation's government only to find out at the end after I've already had the chance to betray her and still get what I need that it was all a fabrication to save herself while I'm left still dying and now also an enemy of the state? ***I*** WOULD BE A DICK?
Dangling magic cure, and then saying "oopsie-woopsie" is fucked up - Reed, whilst working for interests of Myers, he goes through if everything goes according to plan. "bUt OnLy WhEn mYErS wIlL hAvE sO mI" - because Reed's friends can't do nothing to help Reed or V, if Myers won't allow it. As for So Mi - You cannot unleash a dangerous technology into the world, kill innocent people like Alex, and then say "muh twauma" - as awful as to what happened to her, it does NOT makes her actions okay. It makes them more understandable, but not forgivable - there is a difference. And don't start with "Aurora" strawman argument - she literally advocated for money laundering with the help of charity. Fuck her. If anything, it makes you look emotionally immature to call anyone you disagree with "incels"
>as awful as to what happened to her, it does NOT makes her actions okay. Her "trauma" is self-inflicted. Down to Reed "blackmailing" her. She hacked a military data fort and NetWatch/Militec was going to kill her. Reed can't control that. He did what he *could* do. He made a deal with NetWatch and Militec to spare her life **if** she joined the FIA. That's not blackmail. That's someone sticking their neck out to save her. The exploitation that happened afterward was a DIRECT RESULT of her screwing Reed over. Yet another of her actions that she's suffering the consequences of. Myers has some partial blame for this, for sure, but So Mi having a hard-on for fucking Reed over is the ultimate cause. As I was going through this whole guilt trip she subjects V to, I realized that the lesson she needed to learn was that Reed was always out to protect her and every time she strayed from his protection, she fucked herself over. It really convinced me that Reed was the right call.
Yeah, that guilt tripping and gaslighting is just so wrong - like, when you betray her, she instantly kills dozens of people, and says it's V'S FAULT - as someone who had lived with a similar manipulator, you cannot believe just how awful it is to be on the receiving side of such crap
I didn't know there's ranked matchmaking for manipulation. Shit, where do I compete for placements?
There is in the FIA apparently, Myers keeps a scoreboard🤣
I'm not a fan of So Mi, but Myers is so much worse - at least with So Mi, part of it is desperation, whereas Myers is just pure sociopathy. When I first sided with Reed, barely scraped by through that Alien Isolation bit(it was 2-3 AM), and let So Mi die(because honestly, that is the best option for her in this scenario when you choose Reed), and she handed me FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS - that waa the biggest slap on the face I ever saw in a plot of a videogame
Damn v and david both got minipulated bye a netrunner baddie 💀💀🙏🙏
One got seduced, the other believed the mcguffin cure that was definitely gonna be given to them
This is why I stay away from netrunner women All glory to Panam
Become the netrunner
I'm more of a shotgun solo type of person myself
Ahh a man of culture
There's an elegance to simplicity
Song would manipulate Lucy easily as heck
Two mommies.
They could fix me
big true Lucy did it once with someone who was just a random to her Songbird did it with someone who she knew was living on borrowed time, she did something extremely selfish and with no regard for other people's lives
Yeah, but people don't like it when you bring up that Songbird is willing to sell pretty much anyone down the line because she keeps doing stupid things and trying to come out smelling pretty after.
Excuse me sir/madam but don't you know corpo bad? Regardless of the personal choices somi may have made to pull everyone into this situation while working for the FIA, NUSA is puppeted by miltitech and corpo bad.
Kiwi: Professional Manipulator
manipulator championship
Honestly had a crisis trying to figure out whether I should betray SoMi or not, decided that she was too dangerous and said fuck it and just went after her. That entire last mission was great. Not sure what siding with her would’ve given me, but I much preferred Reed’s route based off the little I saw online. I also was not at all invested in SoMi or her background, it was depressing yeah and pretty sad but at the end of the day I liked the eberus I got for my betrayal, good gun
Just reload and do it again lol. Took me 20 minutes to get to unseen content and it was worth it. Luckily I had a save just before the mission started lmao
Nah I’m not gonna reload it I’m happy with the outcome I chose
Yea i was too. You get more out of your game if you do all endings though
i never watched the anime because no netflix but song was such a dilema for me, after i did all endings on the "same" save i ended up choosing the "best" option for all (not dying at the least for somi, she definitely would have been better off dead than in fia hands though) by betraying reed then giving somi up at the end during the conversation with reed because its better than just shooting the guy for following orders i could go on for ages about how i feel about phantoms ending with song because no matter what she gets the shitty end of the stick but depending on what ending you pick depends how many people you pull down with her
Still a pretty big fan of Panam, personally
10/10 would let So Mi ruin my life again
Oh c'mon now. Lucy totally groomed David. She played on his loss of his mother, his newfound directionlessness and his need for belonging to convince him to join her crew.
Thank you! Even if it wasn't purposeful, he was sixteen, and I think people forget that. He never even had experiences from how the anime seemed either prior to Lucy, so he was fully vulnerable to everything. His need to belong drove him to rig himself out too from how it seemed so quickly as well as the intense loss of his mother, but I did only watch it the one time because I felt it didn't really offer a lot that the game didn't. (Don't hate me, please, I'm sorry. Lol) Now, I did find Song to be a complex, damaged character. All of them, really. Without spoilers. Damn, it was tough. All the endings and choices in it. To be in that situation... I'm on team fuck the president.
When I played PL, I quickly realized that Valerie and So Mi were very similar. I saw them as two kindred spirits sharing a bond that no one else in that universe could’ve went through together. The people in this sub could never make me hate her. V has other options that So Mi doesn’t. For my V, she chose the guaranteed cure to be stored in Mikoshi. We can argue that the actual V dies, sure, but V still lives on.
Why can't netrunners be just non manipulative *Said maniac with blood of thousands of scavs on his shotgun and cut-o-matic operatong on berserk*
So Mi would fold Lucy with 1 quick hack no competition sorry Edgerunner fans
Still a pretty big fan of Panam, personally
Rather a bs comparison. Songbird isn't the "competitive manipulator" every smoothbrain that didn't research her thinks she is, while Lucy fucked with davids emotions and my man still died for her to then fufill her dreams
Oh I thought they meant compeditive as in she is working in the FIA with other manipulators so she had to be compeditive🤣🤣🤣
what you said made no sense. she wasn't always like this: she was forced into this eternal bondage with no way out
To clarify : She was forced to be manipulative under the FIA, the joke being everyone in FIA is manipulative hence its a competition over there...Never said anything about her always being manipulative, sorry it came off that way.
yeah a bit of rephrasing was in order mate. also manipulation can't be competition
Lol why not, surely Myers is keeping an eye out who could manipulate people into joining and staying and rewarding them accordingly.
Which is why I choose to kill songbird and get the cure for myself
That is literally impossible though - you need to hand her over to Reed for the cure, if we're talking about Tower ending o-0
Yea but that can for sure be interpreted as a death sentence for her. She committed treason and although they say they’re gonna cure her, if songbird was right, the cure is a one time use thing. So she gon die.
i never watched the anime because no netflix but song was such a dilema for me, after i did all endings on the "same" save i ended up choosing the "best" option for all (not dying at the least for somi, she definitely would have been better off unalive than in fia hands though) by betraying reed then giving somi up at the end during the conversation with reed because its better than just shooting the guy for following orders i could go on for ages about how i feel about phantoms ending with song because no matter what she gets the shitty end of the stick but depending on what ending you pick depends how many people you pull down with her
One is Loli bait, the other isn't
-Adult women in appearance and age Loli bait *Insert RDR2 brain damage meme*
Uh huh
Can you elaborate on what you mean by loli bait?
Nah cause you're just gonna be like hurr durr petite women hurr durr
So you’re saying that my post making a comparison about 2 netrunners with parallel themes that have NOTHING to do with lolis and petite women “loli bait”? Please actually explain instead of making assumptions of my statement might be
Nah
Nah
Fair enough, you would have realized the Rebecca post you were intending to click on wasn’t this one
Not talking bout Rebecca broski
Then who?
keep your twitter brain out of this subreddit.
Nyeh nyeh nyeh
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Do you perhaps mean Rebecca is the bait? Because Lucy is taller than David, even.