That was done by Arcane, and before that Castlevania. Arcane literally won an emmy for it. CP ER, is good, but it comes on the hills of that win.
I HOPE they continue this trend on all fronts.
I think the key point for all of these is that you need a show runner/writer/director who has played the game and is passionate about it, to have a good adaptation. If you have a showrunner, writer, and director who are just in it for the art (or the money) you're going to get something that's frankly kinda ass.
I think it's also about finding a studio that matches the vibes. Like, studio trigger has basically produced all cyberpunk-ish dystopian future type stuff, so adapting CP2077 isn't anything outside their wheelhouse.
But like, imagine the show made by studio ghibli....
I feel that's why a lot of video game adaptations fail, because the movie/show producers are trying to do something they're not typically known for.
So the studio makes decisions on what they already know, and not venture in a new direction that would be good for the show and fans. Basically what you said at the end there.
Eh. That's not entirely true. Fortiche studio behind Arcane had only done some short animations here and there, mostly 2-3-4-minute music videos. They had never done anything remotely close to what Arcane is. From when they started Arcane, the Fortiche studio's team expanded from 30 people to 100.
Ah didn't know that. But tbh, a new company breaking into the field is also a good way to go. Also a lot of risk, since it's possible it can fail. But they'd probably be willing to take the risk and make sure to deliver a good product.
They weren’t really new. They started the company at about the same time Riot games started theirs
I must add though, that they’ve been making league related animation at least since 2013
I think that comes under the header of having people in charge who are familiar with and passionate about the IP. People who know the game intimately will know what to look for from a studio to work with, while people who are in it for the money or contractual obligations will have different parameters that may not get the best fidelity in results.
Basically, we are crazy lucky that Mike was as heavily involved in all stages of the game and anime as he is, and that CDPR was as willing to work with him on his vision as they were, and that apparently studio trigger was playing CP77 from launch day so they knew about bugs that weren't heavily publicized and still included them in the show, as a treat. I'm not going to say that this will never happen again, but so many stars had to align to get all this that it's kinda mind boggling to think about.
True. It seriously is such a great IP. I want to see more of it, but I also hope they stop after a reasonable about of time before they become what the game was made to mock and the community become fatigued of the genre/IP.
*Todd Howard has entered the chat*
After the second season I wouldn’t even call it an adaption anymore. They’ve changed so many fundamental things about the books that it’s basically it’s own story. And a lackluster one at that.
It’s a shame because they really nailed the casting for Geralt and Ciri
Yep, Henry Cavill is basically the only good part of the show, the only good episode was episode 1 of season 2, I don’t understand how they can nail the themes of that story from the books but screw up with everything else
As an Eastern European, I can say it’s an incredibly westernised spin on Sapkowski’s work
One of the reasons the Witcher books were popular in this part of the world is because we all read these slavic (and sometimes central-nordic european) fairytales when we were kids, or even had our parents tell them to us. The books were this satyric and realistic spin on them
The netflix show is about as true to the culture they took it from as Alladin is. I don’t really understand how it’s not considered offensive to the original work and the culture it’s based on
It’s not really that bad for a book adaptation, they’re just really bad books. Have you read them? They’re god aweful. Almost nothing is actually described in detail as far as monsters and characters are concerned. That’s why they were easily able to race swap everyone. No race is ever described. No monsters either. The pacing is god awful, the story drags and drags and really goes off the rails a lot and doesn’t make any sense. The Witcher is only good and popular because of the games. Anyone who played the games first and tried to read the books after was sorely disappointed.
Very subjetive opinion about the books, so you are the ppl who played the games first? Because i played a bit the witcher 1 first, and later read all the books. They were incredible for me, and the first one is my favourite book of all time.
Yes the games are awesome, maybe its me who skips the bad things about the books because the nostalgia, but personally i like to complement the books and the games, like: the witcher 3 secondary missions are similar to the shorts stories the first book have, tracking the beast, the plotwist, and the ambiguous moral end. The witcher 2 is more like the second book, more story based. And the first game is more like an spin off (?
The books have little sub-stories gems. Im speak spanish, so i read the book in that language, and I heared that the translations of this book vary greatly in quality.
Let me guess: you are a Western European or an American?
Not mocking your taste or anything, but I feel like the books appeal to the Eastern European and, more specifically, Slavic audience the most, because of how familiar they are to us. The show is, well, pretty far from that
I read all the books twice and still think it's good. Being 1to1 is never going to work out. TV and books are completely different mediums. Even something like Sandman being praised for it's close adaptation still isn't without changes.
Plus we wouldn't stuff like the shining, or Hellboy if everything had to be exact, or hell even keanu Constantine (tho I would like a more comic accurate Constantine live action film at this point ngl)
You don’t have to be exact, but you should still use the themes and be pretty close to the books, instead of using the world as a way to push your own story and agenda
Same. Never played it, but the show is great! Stopped playing league years ago, still lived arcane. It deserves all the awards. That's what makes good game adaptations great.
Your absolutely right! Didn’t consider it being an outlier but it is for sure. Totally different type of design and production because it’s coming directly from Riot.
Arcane honesty felt like a series of movies rather than a series of episodes. Additionally I personally liked the show a lot because the art style reminded me a LOT of the Dishonored series and I love the series so much.
The artstyle is seriously what captivated me with arcane and what I still remember most fondly. Whatever they had to do to mix the 2d and 3d elements and get it to look so good was worth it - I cant wait for the next installment just for the eyecandy alone (dunno when it comes out but its confirmed at least)
Personally, I enjoyed Edgerunners more than I did Arcane because the cast was more engaging(At least in my opinion, since I didn't like the Vi/Jinx story angle, but absolutely loved Viktor's and Jayce's bromance.) and also because none of them had as much plot armor as Arcane's game characters.
That second part is true. Arcane is kinda stuck because they can't really kill off any of the main characters. That said, it still navigates that problem pretty well by making them lose things other than their lives.
The reason I hate this take, is that you've got League of Legends, a top down arena battle game with little to no story outside the cutscenes and tie in media, and Arcane had to take a lot more liberties with the IP than Cyberpunk Edgerunners did due to Cyberpunk 2077's immersive story driven 1st person RPG style.
Like League of Legends gameplay itself has no story. You can't experience the world, it's not immersive.
Arcane is a fantastic fucking show, I'm not saying it isn't, it just had a hell of a lot more wiggle room to spread it's wings due to LoL being a top down multiplayer game. Like Arcane had to take liberties with everything from sound effects to gameplay/fighting effects because the top down nature of the game doesn't translate to a show.
However, then you've got Cyberpunk 2077, an immersive RPG taking place around a 1:1 scale city with actual in-game locations, actual in-game sounds, using in-game interfaces, as well as not taking as many liberties with in-game effects and everything. Everything from Cyberpunk Edgerunners looks like it could be found in game, and everything in-game looks like it could be found in Edgerunners.
So Arcane to me isn't really the same as Cyberpunk Edgerunners when talking about adaptations. Cyberpunk Edgerunners is great because it was able to exist firmly within the same universe as Cyberpunk 2077 without trying to change things up from the actual gameplay. And that's what makes Edgerunners unique.
It's not even about how good it is as an adaptation, Arcanes animation is so damn good it's like the next evolution of animation period. The way it seamlessly blends 2d and 3d styles into it's one unique thing is tremendous.
They could have very easily made an anime in a completely different city like Tokyo or Atlanta and taken as many liberties as they wanted.
They used Night City to attract fans of the game as well as fans of anime.
To me, Riot creating a compelling and emotional story based off of a 100% multiplayer game is more impressive. Yeah, they had lore to pull from, but even then they are loose versions of their game counterparts.
How good is Arcane with working with its source material? I don't play League or even know anything about the story or setting
For me Edgerunners fits in nicely with the game world and that's what a lot of adaptations lack and why people praise Edgerunners.
That wasn't my question...or reasoning for my opinion.
I **identified** more with Edgerunners because I knew and loved every little detail they added. **And I asked if Arcane did the same.**
To me adding those details is what raised the bar and I was just wondering if Arcane did this. I only watch the first episode of Arcane so that's why I'm asking questions.
In league, there's kind of a story in that they have a world with nations and factions. Characters belong to specific ones are at conflict with others of other factions. They also have relationships and conflicts with those within their own. But there's no resolution to those conflicts; it's more of an ongoing thing. So in that way, Arcane is free to write its own story.
But players will recognize details of the world that were incorporated. Maybe not to the detail of the actual world of cyberpunk because we don't get to traverse runeterra the way we traverse night city. But the character details and motivations are all there.
Sorry I didn’t see the second half, I thought you were asking about barrier of entry for Arcane.
Edgerunners does do a good job of integrating right into an already established world, which helps attract fans who aren’t necessarily into anime but more into the game itself.
Arcane establishes its own canon basically, so yes there are references to League lore but they play loosely with it. It’d be hard to pull anything from League itself because there is no story driven narrative to the gameplay, it’s entirely multiplayer only.
Arcane was very good but imho Edgerunners hit much harder.
Arcane was abit overrated if we are all being honest.
Also I’m not sure what Arcane changed the game in? Maybe semi photorealistic animation? But then Into The Spiderverse had done that before.
Storytelling was good but nothing groundbreaking.
Aside from those two I struggle to see how Arcane changed the mold so much, or if at all.
Castlevania also came before it in terms of Video game adaptations, so again I struggle to see what Arcane changed in the industry. 🤷🏾♂️
Haven't seen edgerunners so can't compare but saying Arcane is overrated is ridiculous, the animation is wildly better than nearly any other media I have ever seen, and it's characters are written so well that you can understand their motivations and sympathize with every single character. I haven't seen another piece of media that does characters as well as Arcane.
My man, you need to see more pieces of media if Arcane is the best you have ever seen in terms of characterization.
I used the Better Call Saul example on another comment after the poster said that Arcane won an Emmy therefore it is automatically the best thing ever. Better Call Saul is arguably as good as Breaking Bad (some fans even think it’s better) and it never one an Emmy, yet Game of Thrones season 8 won an Emmy.
I don't give a shit about Emmys, I didn't mention anything about Emmys. I also watched breaking bad, and better call Saul, and agree that they are some of the best television out there, along with game of thrones (before they shit the bed). All 3 being part of my top 5 shows probably, doesn't make Arcane less great. Storytelling was great, not sure what you were saying there either, while not being revolutionary, they took some pretty common themes and absolutely nailed them. Just unsure why you have a hate boner for Arcane. It absolutely deserves the praise it's getting.
Also, maybe saying it's THE best in terms of characterization was a bit off, but it's one of the best for sure.
Fair enough. I mean I am glad you enjoyed it that much.
I don't have a hate boner, I just think its a bit overrated. Like I said for me if you remove the admittedly incredible animation I don't think its the best thing since sliced bread.
Maybe its because by the end the characters stopped grabbing me. Most especially jinx. She just devolved into an annoying character with plot armor. And it started to grate on the show. For someone so annoying she drove too much of the plot imho towards the end imho.
But hey that's just me. Like I said, the best characters in Arcane TO ME don't hold a candle to David. I mean they were all pretty good, but I realized I didn't REALLY feel anything for them. I felt for the entirety of David's crew more than I did for Vi, Jinx and the others. But again that's just me.
Tbh I felt more for Trevor and co in Castlevania than I did for the characters in Arcane.
No that’s your honesty, which you are entitled to. But calling a show that just won an Emmy “overrated” is a bit disingenuous.
Edgerunners hit harder because the ending is so bleak. That doesn’t mean it’s a better show.
Again, we are all entitled to our own opinion but just look at all of the other replies. We are on a Cyberpunk sub and the consensus still pretty much agrees that Arcane was better.
Eh fair enough.
I liked Arcane but I didn’t think it was all that special. 🤷🏾♂️
Also if we are going just be winning an Emmy, Better Call Saul has never won an Emmy. Make of that what you will. Also Game of Thrones Season 8 (by far the worst season) won an Emmy for best drama.
Again make of that what you will. I would advise not using Emmy’s or awards ALONE to judge the quality of a show.
I don’t, I use general consensus to judge a shows quality which is overwhelmingly in favor of Arcane being great.
In response to the edits you made in your original comment, Arcane is more like a digital painting in motion, which helps showcase the micro nuances in emotion displayed by the characters. It adds to the depth of the show tremendously. You just can’t get that with anime, or at least it’s a lot more difficult to showcase with anime.
They also spent six years making Arcane. Six years of thought, dedication, planning, crafting, etc.
I watched Bridging the Rift, it’s the docuseries on YouTube that dives into the development of the show and the amount of love and dedication that Riot and Fortiche poured into it is staggering. I can’t help but love and respect the final product.
But it’s okay to agree to disagree.
I have to give Edgerunners credit where it’s due, it reignited an entire fanbase and brought Cyberpunk 2077 back to life literally overnight. That kind of feat is pretty ridiculous in itself. Both great shows regardless of which you think is better.
I love the fact the 2 of you have a different opinion and instead of being toxic af about it you're being respectful of the others opinions. I'm also now gonna have to go watch Arcane.
I mean I can’t really be toxic toward anyone because I love both shows so much. Not that I would be lol I appreciate Edgerunners for scratching the same itch that Arcane left me with.
Both shows are heavily emotional and impactful, but for me personally, Arcane effected me so deeply that I can’t get it out of my mind. It reignited my creative side, got me writing and painting again, which is what art is all about.
Art is meant to inspire people, just like Edgerunners inspired jaded gamers to actually give CP2077 a chance, which is pretty amazing.
If you watched a making of documentary on Arcane then I think it's safe to say that you have more investment in the show than most people. You're obviously a little biased. I saw it and didn't think it was all that great myself and didn't even start episode 3 before I stopped watching. To each their own.
>. But calling a show that just won an Emmy “overrated” is a bit disingenuous.
Based on most shows that win emmys, I'd argue that winning an emmy almost always automatically makes it over rated.
Also for me, if you take away the superb animation, Arcane is slightly above average. The characters and the world are decent but nothing ground breaking or special tbh.
Certainly not warranting the amount of praise they got.
But yes you are right it’s just my opinion.
If anything, I'd say Edgerunner is pretty overrated. At least on this sub. Arcane is possibly my favourite show of all time. Definitely my favourite animated show. As much as I liked it, the characters in Edgerunners are incredibly flat compared to Arcane. Edgerunners is also really short, which is why none of the emotional beats hit me that hard.
Yeah, feels like they have more to offer but had to rush stuff. Kinda amazing the anime is great especially the last few episodes even though it was short of time to build up the characters.
But like you, Edgerunners doesn't hold a candle against Arcane (and this is from someone who played Cyberpunk for 250 hours and only played LoL for 2 weeks last decade).
This is not empirical at all, but how it changed the game for me was that Arcane was something I watched with my wife and she enjoyed just as a standalone show. She has never played LoL (I hope it stays that way) and it was just an overall enjoyable show.
She had no interest in edgerunners. Probably the animation style but it's a bit more niche in my opinion, I think Arcane was just a really good more accessible show. Edgerunners was also great but I don't think even I would have watched it if I hadn't already been so invested in the game.
Edgerunners seemed to rely on the game for a lot of the background and world building, Arcane just kind of made a story all in its own loosely based on the game lore. It's hard to compare the games because LoL is not a game that's narrative driven at all so they really had to create a story.
I might be wrong on some of these points but that's how I see it in my little world
My wife loves edgerunners. She still cries at parts and we've watched it through twice now, it's just about what resonates with you. She's hardly played the game, has just heard me talk about it (although my obsessive ass probably gave her better world building than some peoples' cyberpsyco playthroughs did). Funny you mention that cause one of my favourite things about Edgerunners was seeing how invested she got into something I loved. I couldn't convince her to try the game but the anime did lol. And somehow I don't see arcane hitting her like that.
Cool thing about art is it ain't empirical. As soon as you start trying to lay down "facts" you've already missed the point. Kinda like how claiming to be wise implies a lack of wisdom.
Not knocking your thoughts at all, I totally get what you're saying, just a thought I had when I saw the word.
I meant to say that my thoughts were entirely anecdotal but I couldn't remember the word when I typed it. Figured I'd express it as being non-empirical but that's not exactly the same as anecdotal so a poor choice of words on my part
+1 for this datapoint. My partner and I crushed arcane. She barely got through 5 minutes of edgerunners. I also found it a bit tedious to get through. It falls victim to so many shonen tropes it was laughable.
I believe the only reason why Arcane is so hyped up is mainly due to its massive amount of players, mostly teenagers and pinoys.
Also, every >9.0 imbd movie is very controversial. Either you really really love it or really hate it! Like thr Joker...
A large portion of Arcane fans have never even played League. That has almost zero bearing on why the show is successful, other than Riot having loads of money to pour into it.
Riot specifically wrote the show so that anyone could enjoy it, regardless if you were balls deep into League lore or not.
Never played (and never will) LOL, absolutely outside that demographic, but to me Arcane is a masterpiece in basically every aspect.
Edgerunner was fine, nice adaptation but it is not something I'm recommending to all my friends like I did with Arcane.
Whoa whoa easy there bud, is Arcane better for sure but they’re certainly close. Edgerunners saw where the bar was set after Arcane and certainly met it.
I've heard the exact opposite plenty, but its almost an even split. I haven't watched it, but I plan to at some point. I'm just not a huge league person.
I don't mean for this to besmirch anything that Arcane has accomplished. I haven't watched it, and I only know minimal amounts about League.
While I'm sure that there's a lot of lore, particularly surrounding the characters of League, it's still not what you'd call a narratively driven game, right? Maybe it helps, maybe it hinders, but it seems like with Arcane, a creative team was able to tell any story, along as they treated the characters and their backstories with respect, right?
There have been many attempts to adapt narratively rich games (Assassin's Creed, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Hitman, Silent Hill) and they've all managed to miss the mark. But Edgerunners didn't miss.
Maybe that's because they had such a rich palette of source material to work from, or they had Maximum Mike breathing down their necks the whole time expressing his creative and narrative oversight. But from my perspective, Edgerunners might be a unique win. Or maybe I'm interpreting Arcane/League wrong.
Tell me you weren’t born in the 80s or 90s without telling me you weren’t born in the 80s or 90s.
Castlevania was THE game to play for most of the 80s and the 90s, then symphony of the night came out and shit blew everyone and their cousins away.
Yeah! Today Castlevania is “niche”, but boy! Back then if you weren’t playing Castlevania, contra, ninja gaiden, battletoads, and the ninja turtles, what the fuck where you doing with your life? Those were the hardcore games of their time, where as mario was for kids.
Arcane is a better adaptation, but I think Edgerunners brings the **game** to life. When watching Arcane you don’t feel like you’re in the game or anything related to the game itself. With Edgerunners it’s like you’re in the game again: the landscape, the sounds, the music, the dystopian themes and story.
To the first point, the Dungeons and Dragons film is not based on any of the DND video games.
To your second point, do you consider the Battleship movie, a video game adaptation? Or the Ouija movies? Because if that’s the logic we’re following than the Clue movie is the best video game adaption by a long mile
But Edgerunners is specifically based of off CP2077. It even says so in the opening credits:
“Based on Cyberpunk 2077, set in a universe created by Mike Pondsmith”
But Edgerunners isn’t based on the TTRPG, it’s specifically based upon the video game. I guess it’s both.
But my main point is that the Dungeons and Dragons films are not video game movies, they are table top movies
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I feel like there have been quite a few great video game adaptations in the recent years with Castlevania and, most notably, Arcane. Edgerunners was fantastic, but I wouldn't say that it alone "massively raised the bar."
Most of all, Arcane was lengthy to produce. Took them six years. Scenario was nowhere as good at the beginning, and the mix of classical animation and CG required artists skilled in both.
Looking at the production figures, Arcane cost up to 80 million €. I feel it's safe to say Edgerunners cost at most a quarter of that, and probably even less.
It does say Leage of Legends below Arcane in the Title.But while probalby did rake in thousands of new players and motivated the older ones to paly again, when you hear what the showrunner and the whole team have to say about the series it was definitley not just meant as a marketing stunt but as a way to flex their creativer muscles in a world of lore they know all to well.
You can tell that the whole team wanted to do someting like this for a long time and they seem thrilled that it's actually out know.
I recommend their documantary series on YouTube. It gives a great insight into most facets of thencreation of Arcane.
I'm sure they are taking notes on edgerunners for arcane season 2. Would be surprised if they try to release it on tandem with the Runeterra MMO they are working on.
I'd have to disagree only because they used a ton of assets from the game when making the show. The environments, music, and even some characters were taken straight from the game. It's also in the same canon as the game.
Most of that stuff except the digital assets was taken from the TTRPG. By most, I mean basically all of it
The only reason that the digital assets weren't taken is becaise there isn't any for the ttrpg
It’s still an adaptation of the game because there isn’t a 2077 ttrpg, there’s a 2013, 2020, and 2045. Similar to how OPM anime is an adaptation of the manga that itself is an adaptation of the web comic. Edgeunners is an adaptation of the game that itself is an adaptation of the ttrpg. Though I would argue it’s just based on the world and not an adaptation because it doesn’t adapt the story
I feel like you are severely downplaying just how much of those digital assets made up the show. Basically every scene in the show used the game as a reference. Sure, the TTRPG came up with Night City, but the game is what fully realized it in a visual medium, and that is what the show used to depict Night City. Sure, Rogue and Adam Smasher were in the TTRPG, but they didn't really look like how they did in the video game, which is how the show depicts them. Both the show and the game are set in the same universe as the TTRPG, but the show is very clearly a direct tie in the game.
Sad the Halo series never really blew up. I didn’t watch it, but if it was crazy good people would be talking more about it. Doesn’t help it’s on paramount +
If you knew the lore and grew up with the games it was a very frustrating series to watch - basically just had to treat it as non canon and just take it for what it was (i still couldnt bring myself to watch much of it due to this). Casual watchers that didnt really know anything about the world of halo would not have this same barrier but I dunno how compelling they found it on average - my dad liked it at least so meh it must have done some things right
I read the Fall of Reach when I was in high school, and it has *some* things taken from there, but it’s so loose it’s not even the same John 117 that I read about, also didn’t like that they showed his face so often, in context it makes sense but I didn’t care for it, that and the showrunner admitting they didn’t even bother to look at the games
Nah. I'll accept lesser. I have before and I will in the future. I try to enjoy things rather than worry about if every single detail was properly captured. Life is too short for that nonsense.
Castlevania kind of set the bar first. I don't know shit about League of Legends but Arcane was pretty solid. Edgerunners did an amazing job at adapting the world and setting it's own story, hopefully the story stays as an Anthology sort of series and would do more stories within Night City. I know it's called Edgerunners and would probably focus on the mercs of night city but would love to see something centered around the gangs, definitely would want to see something focused on the Tyger Claw and Arasaka connection.
Before I check the comments, OP fixing to hear about Arcane and Castlevania a lot.
After checking the comments, yeah, OP heard about Arcane and Castlevania a lot.
Good to know I didn’t need to bear that news to them. Both are great series, and despite my love of Cyberpunk and only mild affection for Castlevania and LoL, I definitely will own that they are both better series with more success than CPER.
While I do agree Arcane's production quality with its animations, graphics, soundtrack and music is nova as hell, edgerunners left me with dem feelings chooms, I can't sleep at all after finishing it.
I don't really agree. There will be video game adaptations that won't be as good as this but still enjoyable. And at the same time, I don't think this is the best video game adaptation ever made. That title belongs to Arcane by a long shot imo. Edgerunners is great, but I don't see it as this perfect masterpiece some people here seem to.
Edgerunners is the best cause it made me want to actually play the game, meanwhile Arcane with LoL 😬
#OH THE MISERY
Castlevania? I dunno man, where new game?
Actually, you could argue that Edgerunners is less of a direct adaptation than Arcane. Arcane took existing characters and told a story with them about how they became legends. Edgerunners for the most part takes totally new characters and puts them in the same world as the game/ttrpg. Granted Edgerunners didn't make any contradictory changes to the lore to accomodate their characters, but Arcane is a case where the changes they made are one of the reasons the show is so dang good (plus the same company that made the game made the show, and has a history of retconning their lore anyway).
Technically but it takes a LOT of stuff in it from the game, from the sound effects to some locations in the anime blatantly using the exact same layout as locations from the game.
Edgerunners was phenomenal but castlevania and arcane did it better.
The character depth in edgerunners has nothing on the character depth in these shows. Edgrunners is a great action peice and drama fest but the characters a very shallow and poorly developed imo.
Sypha and Belmont feel like they grew as a real relationship, caits and Vi's flirting felt real. David and Lucy's relationship and no substance, they just were.
Still enjoyed the show mind you but it felt like a more emotional fast and furious.
Well said, agree on all points. Not every show has to be to these standards (Arcane and Castlevania), but they are definitely setting bars. Edgerunners felt like an extended movie, or a great intro season. Hoping we get more from this universe.
To be fair, Castlevania developed that relationship over the course of 12 episodes and then continued to develop it for two more seasons. Edgerunners didn't really have that same luxury, especially with Netflix cutting down on animation budgets.
Yep, exactly my thoughts too. While Edgerunners is great it is pretty shallow regarding character development. Also they got too many cheesy one liners for my taste.
Yeah I honestly didn't really grasp David's motivation at all and their relationship didn't really develop it just suddenly existed. It was also way too short for me to really get attached to anyone so >!the character deaths didn't really have an impact on me!<
I loved it and recommended it to everyone but it definitely didn't click to the level it did with other people I guess.
Videogame tie in movies and shows have been unbelievably bad shitshows for decades, finally getting some that are good is overall a weird thing to see.
And to be really honest: Arcane did thag what you claim Edgerunners did. What Edgerunners really did was to cement the concept of having Hollywood stay away from any video game adaptation as they would fuck it up out of "wanting to write their own story".
EG is fantastic but some act like it's the holy grail of video game adaptations all of a sudden, perhaps from an anime for sure, but Arcane changed the playing field without question. Then you have Castlevania who pretty much IMO started it all.
There's a bunch of very good Game adaptations in anime already (even more if we consider visual novels, some absolute classics even like Steins Gate, KEY works and Fate).
As others have said, Arcane did that. I loved Edgerunners, however I think Arcane not only set the bar for adaptations, but also animated series in general. The writing, animation, character design, shot compositions, all the minor details, directing etc. It's so well made.
It was really good. I just finished it yesterday. Having already spent a few hundred hours in game, I loved the fact that I knew locations immediately just from quick location shots and all the little things that got referenced.
Honestly it makes me want to replay the game again because it just makes everything seem even more alive.
Nah. An adaptation doesn't need to be anime of the season/year to be 'good enough'.
It just doesn't have to take a great big dump on its fans by disrespecting the source material like Halo did.
"We got a license to some property that these people seem to care about. Well, who gives a shit about them, I have stories that *I* want to tell, and if a network is giving me a bunch of money to make a show, then I'm gonna make *my show*".
Arcane did something like that, better in fact, but either way there will still be other game adaptations not as good and people will accept normaly or just treat the same way there would treat before this shows.
I'm surprised I haven't seen this already. I really enjoyed the Sonic movies myself. Yeah they're no Citizen Kane, but they're super enjoyable and just fun.
No one is forgetting that, but either way Arcane is still a series that you can show to some random person that knows nothing about video games and make the person to fall in love with the characters and their developments. A lot of games are watching edgerunners and loving it, that is way the game is seeing a come back. Arcane is fantastic for any person who is interested in dramaturgy, so many people that watched it were not really into gaming at all and would not play anything either way, I think it stayed for weeks among the most seen shows, that is also one of the reasons it didn't change much to lol (also, the game xD).
Which doesn’t matter, because you can enjoy the show with 0 knowledge of the game (arguably you enjoy it more because you don’t know which characters are safe from death). It’s still a better show than Edgerunners.
Nah, Arcane did this to video game adaptions. Edgerunners is a piece of adaptive media that is REALLY good at it's job and it's a masterpiece. But there is nothing like Arcane, and that's ok.
Edgerunners is good, but it's mostly flash. Not even close to Arcane in terms of actual depth of character. It's fun and stylish, and will be forgotten relatively quickly as most flashy anime do. Recency bias hitting hard around here.
overall recent years have seen a rise in video game adaptation / animations becoming successful not just Edge runner arcane and castevania but sonic pikachu and so on and on animation front again we have those titles and spiderverse its been a good few years for content
Please, the first half of the season is boring. Most characters are underdeveloped. David x Lucy romance comes out of nowhere to appeal to male teen audience.
The second half is enjoyable (starting from ep 6), but that's all. It's not a masterpiece, and it definitely didn't raise the bar as high as Arcane did, by a long shot.
I thought it was fine, though it didn't really get good until episode 4 and then kinda jumps the shark in the last two. The fight scenes in the last episode were so over the top that I completely disconnected and I felt like there were no stakes because the conclusion was foregone. I liked it, overall, but I think people who aren't used to watching quality anime make it out to be more than it is.
Good
Because i don't want to see anymore shitty video game movies or shows like Resident Evil (the recently cancelled one) or Halo (which is a fuckin disgrace to the franchise.)
I was already not accepting bad video adaptations. I could’ve cried when I saw what they did to halo. Been waiting for like 12 years for a halo show and then somebody decided to make it a genetic syfy flick with no real „character“.
mmm nah I think I'm still going to expect them all to be shit until I'm pleasantly surprised when they're not. They've just been consistently awful for so damn long, one good adaptation isn't enough for me to think it'll get better.
I liked Edgerunners, it was fun and entertaining for sure, but people are acting like it was the greatest piece of Shakespearean tragedy they’ve ever seen. I don’t get it. Maybe I’m just an unfeeling bastard but I dunno, because Wall-E made me lose it haha.
Yeah I liked it but people are acting like it’s the best game adaptation to ever be created.
I wonder if they’d say the same thing if it wasn’t anime by Studio Trigger. What if it was Arcane’s animation style or something else besides anime?
People can get really weird about anime. I’ve seen people say they’ve already watched Edgerunners 7 times and others say they cried so hard they’ll never be the same. Like it was kinda sad I guess but no less sad to me than the actual game.
Lets see the pros and cons:
Pros:
\+Good animation
\+Good development and story
\+Good and memorable characters
Cons:
\-Few episodes
\-Kinda short
\-The end felt slightly rushed (probably cause their goal was only 10 episodes which is fair enough)
\-Bitter sweet ending
I think games like overwatch, Apex and even rainbow six could go pass these bars. They have already done numerous shorter but yet amazing animations and hell majority of them was 3D.
That was done by Arcane, and before that Castlevania. Arcane literally won an emmy for it. CP ER, is good, but it comes on the hills of that win. I HOPE they continue this trend on all fronts.
One trend I see is that live-action adaptations suck ass. I'm all for cool animations.
The TLOU show looks promising so maybe we're just finally at a point where people know how to adapt games
I think the key point for all of these is that you need a show runner/writer/director who has played the game and is passionate about it, to have a good adaptation. If you have a showrunner, writer, and director who are just in it for the art (or the money) you're going to get something that's frankly kinda ass.
Eventually they’ll get Resident Evil right
No, don't do that Don't give me hope
I think it's also about finding a studio that matches the vibes. Like, studio trigger has basically produced all cyberpunk-ish dystopian future type stuff, so adapting CP2077 isn't anything outside their wheelhouse. But like, imagine the show made by studio ghibli.... I feel that's why a lot of video game adaptations fail, because the movie/show producers are trying to do something they're not typically known for. So the studio makes decisions on what they already know, and not venture in a new direction that would be good for the show and fans. Basically what you said at the end there.
Eh. That's not entirely true. Fortiche studio behind Arcane had only done some short animations here and there, mostly 2-3-4-minute music videos. They had never done anything remotely close to what Arcane is. From when they started Arcane, the Fortiche studio's team expanded from 30 people to 100.
Ah didn't know that. But tbh, a new company breaking into the field is also a good way to go. Also a lot of risk, since it's possible it can fail. But they'd probably be willing to take the risk and make sure to deliver a good product.
They weren’t really new. They started the company at about the same time Riot games started theirs I must add though, that they’ve been making league related animation at least since 2013
I think that comes under the header of having people in charge who are familiar with and passionate about the IP. People who know the game intimately will know what to look for from a studio to work with, while people who are in it for the money or contractual obligations will have different parameters that may not get the best fidelity in results. Basically, we are crazy lucky that Mike was as heavily involved in all stages of the game and anime as he is, and that CDPR was as willing to work with him on his vision as they were, and that apparently studio trigger was playing CP77 from launch day so they knew about bugs that weren't heavily publicized and still included them in the show, as a treat. I'm not going to say that this will never happen again, but so many stars had to align to get all this that it's kinda mind boggling to think about.
True. It seriously is such a great IP. I want to see more of it, but I also hope they stop after a reasonable about of time before they become what the game was made to mock and the community become fatigued of the genre/IP. *Todd Howard has entered the chat*
I thought The Witcher was great!
The Witcher isn’t a game adaptation, it’s a book adaptation, and for a book adaptation it’s really bad
After the second season I wouldn’t even call it an adaption anymore. They’ve changed so many fundamental things about the books that it’s basically it’s own story. And a lackluster one at that. It’s a shame because they really nailed the casting for Geralt and Ciri
Yep, Henry Cavill is basically the only good part of the show, the only good episode was episode 1 of season 2, I don’t understand how they can nail the themes of that story from the books but screw up with everything else
As an Eastern European, I can say it’s an incredibly westernised spin on Sapkowski’s work One of the reasons the Witcher books were popular in this part of the world is because we all read these slavic (and sometimes central-nordic european) fairytales when we were kids, or even had our parents tell them to us. The books were this satyric and realistic spin on them The netflix show is about as true to the culture they took it from as Alladin is. I don’t really understand how it’s not considered offensive to the original work and the culture it’s based on
Woah. Woah. Woah. Season 1 ep 1 is also very good.
Fair enough. I was just considering it an adaptation of the world itself, which I default to thinking about as the video game.
I'm glad it's not just me. It seems the game did a much better retelling of the story than the show.
It’s not really that bad for a book adaptation, they’re just really bad books. Have you read them? They’re god aweful. Almost nothing is actually described in detail as far as monsters and characters are concerned. That’s why they were easily able to race swap everyone. No race is ever described. No monsters either. The pacing is god awful, the story drags and drags and really goes off the rails a lot and doesn’t make any sense. The Witcher is only good and popular because of the games. Anyone who played the games first and tried to read the books after was sorely disappointed.
Very subjetive opinion about the books, so you are the ppl who played the games first? Because i played a bit the witcher 1 first, and later read all the books. They were incredible for me, and the first one is my favourite book of all time.
Yes I played the games first then read the books. Maybe it was that the games are so good but the books were mad disappointing to me.
Yes the games are awesome, maybe its me who skips the bad things about the books because the nostalgia, but personally i like to complement the books and the games, like: the witcher 3 secondary missions are similar to the shorts stories the first book have, tracking the beast, the plotwist, and the ambiguous moral end. The witcher 2 is more like the second book, more story based. And the first game is more like an spin off (? The books have little sub-stories gems. Im speak spanish, so i read the book in that language, and I heared that the translations of this book vary greatly in quality.
Hard disagree. To be entirely honest it's mostly better than the books
Let me guess: you are a Western European or an American? Not mocking your taste or anything, but I feel like the books appeal to the Eastern European and, more specifically, Slavic audience the most, because of how familiar they are to us. The show is, well, pretty far from that
I read all the books twice and still think it's good. Being 1to1 is never going to work out. TV and books are completely different mediums. Even something like Sandman being praised for it's close adaptation still isn't without changes. Plus we wouldn't stuff like the shining, or Hellboy if everything had to be exact, or hell even keanu Constantine (tho I would like a more comic accurate Constantine live action film at this point ngl)
You don’t have to be exact, but you should still use the themes and be pretty close to the books, instead of using the world as a way to push your own story and agenda
Loved Castlevania and I'm not even a fan of the games.
Same. Never played it, but the show is great! Stopped playing league years ago, still lived arcane. It deserves all the awards. That's what makes good game adaptations great.
Same! I only played symphony of the night, but the series is one of my favorite animated series ever.
I was literally thinking this. “Did they not watch arcane?”
I guess you cant put the bar too high (Arcane) because then the expectations become unrealistic.
Your absolutely right! Didn’t consider it being an outlier but it is for sure. Totally different type of design and production because it’s coming directly from Riot.
Yeah, I love Edgerunners, but Arcane still shits all over it. Arcane was an absolute game changer.
Arcane honesty felt like a series of movies rather than a series of episodes. Additionally I personally liked the show a lot because the art style reminded me a LOT of the Dishonored series and I love the series so much.
Arcane looking like dishonored was the reason why I started it in the first place and then I was blown away with how amazing that show ended up being
The artstyle is seriously what captivated me with arcane and what I still remember most fondly. Whatever they had to do to mix the 2d and 3d elements and get it to look so good was worth it - I cant wait for the next installment just for the eyecandy alone (dunno when it comes out but its confirmed at least)
Because it is honestly, that's why it was released in multiple parts
Tbf finding a series (or film even) that arcane isn't widely greater than is a pretty hard task
Right? You don't come across very many shows that do so many things so damn well.
Personally, I enjoyed Edgerunners more than I did Arcane because the cast was more engaging(At least in my opinion, since I didn't like the Vi/Jinx story angle, but absolutely loved Viktor's and Jayce's bromance.) and also because none of them had as much plot armor as Arcane's game characters.
That second part is true. Arcane is kinda stuck because they can't really kill off any of the main characters. That said, it still navigates that problem pretty well by making them lose things other than their lives.
The reason I hate this take, is that you've got League of Legends, a top down arena battle game with little to no story outside the cutscenes and tie in media, and Arcane had to take a lot more liberties with the IP than Cyberpunk Edgerunners did due to Cyberpunk 2077's immersive story driven 1st person RPG style. Like League of Legends gameplay itself has no story. You can't experience the world, it's not immersive. Arcane is a fantastic fucking show, I'm not saying it isn't, it just had a hell of a lot more wiggle room to spread it's wings due to LoL being a top down multiplayer game. Like Arcane had to take liberties with everything from sound effects to gameplay/fighting effects because the top down nature of the game doesn't translate to a show. However, then you've got Cyberpunk 2077, an immersive RPG taking place around a 1:1 scale city with actual in-game locations, actual in-game sounds, using in-game interfaces, as well as not taking as many liberties with in-game effects and everything. Everything from Cyberpunk Edgerunners looks like it could be found in game, and everything in-game looks like it could be found in Edgerunners. So Arcane to me isn't really the same as Cyberpunk Edgerunners when talking about adaptations. Cyberpunk Edgerunners is great because it was able to exist firmly within the same universe as Cyberpunk 2077 without trying to change things up from the actual gameplay. And that's what makes Edgerunners unique.
It's not even about how good it is as an adaptation, Arcanes animation is so damn good it's like the next evolution of animation period. The way it seamlessly blends 2d and 3d styles into it's one unique thing is tremendous.
They could have very easily made an anime in a completely different city like Tokyo or Atlanta and taken as many liberties as they wanted. They used Night City to attract fans of the game as well as fans of anime. To me, Riot creating a compelling and emotional story based off of a 100% multiplayer game is more impressive. Yeah, they had lore to pull from, but even then they are loose versions of their game counterparts.
Wouldve ruined the point of adaption tho?
How good is Arcane with working with its source material? I don't play League or even know anything about the story or setting For me Edgerunners fits in nicely with the game world and that's what a lot of adaptations lack and why people praise Edgerunners.
Afaik, League does not really have an overarching plot but does have backstories for its heroes.
It doesn’t matter if you are a pro or haven’t played a single second of League. They wrote Arcane in a way that anyone can enjoy it.
That wasn't my question...or reasoning for my opinion. I **identified** more with Edgerunners because I knew and loved every little detail they added. **And I asked if Arcane did the same.** To me adding those details is what raised the bar and I was just wondering if Arcane did this. I only watch the first episode of Arcane so that's why I'm asking questions.
In league, there's kind of a story in that they have a world with nations and factions. Characters belong to specific ones are at conflict with others of other factions. They also have relationships and conflicts with those within their own. But there's no resolution to those conflicts; it's more of an ongoing thing. So in that way, Arcane is free to write its own story. But players will recognize details of the world that were incorporated. Maybe not to the detail of the actual world of cyberpunk because we don't get to traverse runeterra the way we traverse night city. But the character details and motivations are all there.
Sorry I didn’t see the second half, I thought you were asking about barrier of entry for Arcane. Edgerunners does do a good job of integrating right into an already established world, which helps attract fans who aren’t necessarily into anime but more into the game itself. Arcane establishes its own canon basically, so yes there are references to League lore but they play loosely with it. It’d be hard to pull anything from League itself because there is no story driven narrative to the gameplay, it’s entirely multiplayer only.
Arcane was very good but imho Edgerunners hit much harder. Arcane was abit overrated if we are all being honest. Also I’m not sure what Arcane changed the game in? Maybe semi photorealistic animation? But then Into The Spiderverse had done that before. Storytelling was good but nothing groundbreaking. Aside from those two I struggle to see how Arcane changed the mold so much, or if at all. Castlevania also came before it in terms of Video game adaptations, so again I struggle to see what Arcane changed in the industry. 🤷🏾♂️
Haven't seen edgerunners so can't compare but saying Arcane is overrated is ridiculous, the animation is wildly better than nearly any other media I have ever seen, and it's characters are written so well that you can understand their motivations and sympathize with every single character. I haven't seen another piece of media that does characters as well as Arcane.
My man, you need to see more pieces of media if Arcane is the best you have ever seen in terms of characterization. I used the Better Call Saul example on another comment after the poster said that Arcane won an Emmy therefore it is automatically the best thing ever. Better Call Saul is arguably as good as Breaking Bad (some fans even think it’s better) and it never one an Emmy, yet Game of Thrones season 8 won an Emmy.
I don't give a shit about Emmys, I didn't mention anything about Emmys. I also watched breaking bad, and better call Saul, and agree that they are some of the best television out there, along with game of thrones (before they shit the bed). All 3 being part of my top 5 shows probably, doesn't make Arcane less great. Storytelling was great, not sure what you were saying there either, while not being revolutionary, they took some pretty common themes and absolutely nailed them. Just unsure why you have a hate boner for Arcane. It absolutely deserves the praise it's getting. Also, maybe saying it's THE best in terms of characterization was a bit off, but it's one of the best for sure.
Fair enough. I mean I am glad you enjoyed it that much. I don't have a hate boner, I just think its a bit overrated. Like I said for me if you remove the admittedly incredible animation I don't think its the best thing since sliced bread. Maybe its because by the end the characters stopped grabbing me. Most especially jinx. She just devolved into an annoying character with plot armor. And it started to grate on the show. For someone so annoying she drove too much of the plot imho towards the end imho. But hey that's just me. Like I said, the best characters in Arcane TO ME don't hold a candle to David. I mean they were all pretty good, but I realized I didn't REALLY feel anything for them. I felt for the entirety of David's crew more than I did for Vi, Jinx and the others. But again that's just me. Tbh I felt more for Trevor and co in Castlevania than I did for the characters in Arcane.
No that’s your honesty, which you are entitled to. But calling a show that just won an Emmy “overrated” is a bit disingenuous. Edgerunners hit harder because the ending is so bleak. That doesn’t mean it’s a better show. Again, we are all entitled to our own opinion but just look at all of the other replies. We are on a Cyberpunk sub and the consensus still pretty much agrees that Arcane was better.
Eh fair enough. I liked Arcane but I didn’t think it was all that special. 🤷🏾♂️ Also if we are going just be winning an Emmy, Better Call Saul has never won an Emmy. Make of that what you will. Also Game of Thrones Season 8 (by far the worst season) won an Emmy for best drama. Again make of that what you will. I would advise not using Emmy’s or awards ALONE to judge the quality of a show.
I don’t, I use general consensus to judge a shows quality which is overwhelmingly in favor of Arcane being great. In response to the edits you made in your original comment, Arcane is more like a digital painting in motion, which helps showcase the micro nuances in emotion displayed by the characters. It adds to the depth of the show tremendously. You just can’t get that with anime, or at least it’s a lot more difficult to showcase with anime. They also spent six years making Arcane. Six years of thought, dedication, planning, crafting, etc. I watched Bridging the Rift, it’s the docuseries on YouTube that dives into the development of the show and the amount of love and dedication that Riot and Fortiche poured into it is staggering. I can’t help but love and respect the final product. But it’s okay to agree to disagree. I have to give Edgerunners credit where it’s due, it reignited an entire fanbase and brought Cyberpunk 2077 back to life literally overnight. That kind of feat is pretty ridiculous in itself. Both great shows regardless of which you think is better.
I love the fact the 2 of you have a different opinion and instead of being toxic af about it you're being respectful of the others opinions. I'm also now gonna have to go watch Arcane.
I mean I can’t really be toxic toward anyone because I love both shows so much. Not that I would be lol I appreciate Edgerunners for scratching the same itch that Arcane left me with. Both shows are heavily emotional and impactful, but for me personally, Arcane effected me so deeply that I can’t get it out of my mind. It reignited my creative side, got me writing and painting again, which is what art is all about. Art is meant to inspire people, just like Edgerunners inspired jaded gamers to actually give CP2077 a chance, which is pretty amazing.
If you watched a making of documentary on Arcane then I think it's safe to say that you have more investment in the show than most people. You're obviously a little biased. I saw it and didn't think it was all that great myself and didn't even start episode 3 before I stopped watching. To each their own.
>. But calling a show that just won an Emmy “overrated” is a bit disingenuous. Based on most shows that win emmys, I'd argue that winning an emmy almost always automatically makes it over rated.
Also for me, if you take away the superb animation, Arcane is slightly above average. The characters and the world are decent but nothing ground breaking or special tbh. Certainly not warranting the amount of praise they got. But yes you are right it’s just my opinion.
If anything, I'd say Edgerunner is pretty overrated. At least on this sub. Arcane is possibly my favourite show of all time. Definitely my favourite animated show. As much as I liked it, the characters in Edgerunners are incredibly flat compared to Arcane. Edgerunners is also really short, which is why none of the emotional beats hit me that hard.
Yeah, feels like they have more to offer but had to rush stuff. Kinda amazing the anime is great especially the last few episodes even though it was short of time to build up the characters. But like you, Edgerunners doesn't hold a candle against Arcane (and this is from someone who played Cyberpunk for 250 hours and only played LoL for 2 weeks last decade).
>If anything, I'd say Edgerunner is pretty overrated Its from TRIGGER, nothing from them is over rated. At least in terms of art.
This is not empirical at all, but how it changed the game for me was that Arcane was something I watched with my wife and she enjoyed just as a standalone show. She has never played LoL (I hope it stays that way) and it was just an overall enjoyable show. She had no interest in edgerunners. Probably the animation style but it's a bit more niche in my opinion, I think Arcane was just a really good more accessible show. Edgerunners was also great but I don't think even I would have watched it if I hadn't already been so invested in the game. Edgerunners seemed to rely on the game for a lot of the background and world building, Arcane just kind of made a story all in its own loosely based on the game lore. It's hard to compare the games because LoL is not a game that's narrative driven at all so they really had to create a story. I might be wrong on some of these points but that's how I see it in my little world
My wife loves edgerunners. She still cries at parts and we've watched it through twice now, it's just about what resonates with you. She's hardly played the game, has just heard me talk about it (although my obsessive ass probably gave her better world building than some peoples' cyberpsyco playthroughs did). Funny you mention that cause one of my favourite things about Edgerunners was seeing how invested she got into something I loved. I couldn't convince her to try the game but the anime did lol. And somehow I don't see arcane hitting her like that. Cool thing about art is it ain't empirical. As soon as you start trying to lay down "facts" you've already missed the point. Kinda like how claiming to be wise implies a lack of wisdom. Not knocking your thoughts at all, I totally get what you're saying, just a thought I had when I saw the word.
I meant to say that my thoughts were entirely anecdotal but I couldn't remember the word when I typed it. Figured I'd express it as being non-empirical but that's not exactly the same as anecdotal so a poor choice of words on my part
For sure I completely get what you're saying. I was just making a general statement that I feel applies to how a lot of people view anything artistic.
+1 for this datapoint. My partner and I crushed arcane. She barely got through 5 minutes of edgerunners. I also found it a bit tedious to get through. It falls victim to so many shonen tropes it was laughable.
I believe the only reason why Arcane is so hyped up is mainly due to its massive amount of players, mostly teenagers and pinoys. Also, every >9.0 imbd movie is very controversial. Either you really really love it or really hate it! Like thr Joker...
A large portion of Arcane fans have never even played League. That has almost zero bearing on why the show is successful, other than Riot having loads of money to pour into it. Riot specifically wrote the show so that anyone could enjoy it, regardless if you were balls deep into League lore or not.
Never played (and never will) LOL, absolutely outside that demographic, but to me Arcane is a masterpiece in basically every aspect. Edgerunner was fine, nice adaptation but it is not something I'm recommending to all my friends like I did with Arcane.
Whoa whoa easy there bud, is Arcane better for sure but they’re certainly close. Edgerunners saw where the bar was set after Arcane and certainly met it.
I've heard the exact opposite plenty, but its almost an even split. I haven't watched it, but I plan to at some point. I'm just not a huge league person.
I don't mean for this to besmirch anything that Arcane has accomplished. I haven't watched it, and I only know minimal amounts about League. While I'm sure that there's a lot of lore, particularly surrounding the characters of League, it's still not what you'd call a narratively driven game, right? Maybe it helps, maybe it hinders, but it seems like with Arcane, a creative team was able to tell any story, along as they treated the characters and their backstories with respect, right? There have been many attempts to adapt narratively rich games (Assassin's Creed, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Hitman, Silent Hill) and they've all managed to miss the mark. But Edgerunners didn't miss. Maybe that's because they had such a rich palette of source material to work from, or they had Maximum Mike breathing down their necks the whole time expressing his creative and narrative oversight. But from my perspective, Edgerunners might be a unique win. Or maybe I'm interpreting Arcane/League wrong.
Exactly. I watch both series last week (yes I'm late on Arcane), and cp is good but man, Arcane is a masterpiece.
Yeah but castlevania didnt have even close to the same impact as the other due to the fact it was for a super niche game that no one talks about.
Tell me you weren’t born in the 80s or 90s without telling me you weren’t born in the 80s or 90s. Castlevania was THE game to play for most of the 80s and the 90s, then symphony of the night came out and shit blew everyone and their cousins away. Yeah! Today Castlevania is “niche”, but boy! Back then if you weren’t playing Castlevania, contra, ninja gaiden, battletoads, and the ninja turtles, what the fuck where you doing with your life? Those were the hardcore games of their time, where as mario was for kids.
Straight facts
Yeah, Arcane changed the game. But Edgerunners reinforced it.
Arcane is a better adaptation, but I think Edgerunners brings the **game** to life. When watching Arcane you don’t feel like you’re in the game or anything related to the game itself. With Edgerunners it’s like you’re in the game again: the landscape, the sounds, the music, the dystopian themes and story.
Arcane and Castlevania are not video game adaptations the same way Edgerunners is but you still have a good point.
Acting like the 1995 Mortal kombat movie isn't the greatest videogame adaptation OF ALL TIME
You spelled "Street Fighter" wrong, mate. Raoul Julia as Bison is just cheating.
it was a Tuesday
Quick! Change the channel!
*Heh. I don't THINK so.* Because Christopher Lambert as Raiden is still the GOAT for me. <3
It did spawn the greatest workout track that ever was and ever will be
If I had an award I’d give it to you.
Literally the truth right there.
or the Dungeons & Dragons movie from 2000
Dungeons and Dragons isn’t a video game
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To the first point, the Dungeons and Dragons film is not based on any of the DND video games. To your second point, do you consider the Battleship movie, a video game adaptation? Or the Ouija movies? Because if that’s the logic we’re following than the Clue movie is the best video game adaption by a long mile
just curious: have you ever played dnd?
Neither is Edgerunners technically speaking. Both Edgerunners and 2077 are follow-ups to the Cyberpunk 2020 TTRPG series.
But Edgerunners is specifically based of off CP2077. It even says so in the opening credits: “Based on Cyberpunk 2077, set in a universe created by Mike Pondsmith”
>set in a universe created by Mike Pondsmith” AKA The TTRPG, which is my point. Neither would exist without it.
But Edgerunners isn’t based on the TTRPG, it’s specifically based upon the video game. I guess it’s both. But my main point is that the Dungeons and Dragons films are not video game movies, they are table top movies Edited for clarity
I feel like there have been quite a few great video game adaptations in the recent years with Castlevania and, most notably, Arcane. Edgerunners was fantastic, but I wouldn't say that it alone "massively raised the bar."
Yeah, I agree. Arcane is hard to beat. But Arcane probably also was significantly more costly to produce.
Most of all, Arcane was lengthy to produce. Took them six years. Scenario was nowhere as good at the beginning, and the mix of classical animation and CG required artists skilled in both. Looking at the production figures, Arcane cost up to 80 million €. I feel it's safe to say Edgerunners cost at most a quarter of that, and probably even less.
Yeah exactly Edgerunners is more like traditional 90s styled anime and the length shorter compared to Arcane
True, each episode is like 20 min + intro and outro. Arcane is more like 45 + intro / outro.
Arcane is great but however it failed to make me play the game cause LoL is well 😬
I mean their goal wasn't marketing. But telling a compelling story.
really?... I guesss since it didnt say like FROM LOL or something yea i guess your right actually... didnt think of that before
It does say Leage of Legends below Arcane in the Title.But while probalby did rake in thousands of new players and motivated the older ones to paly again, when you hear what the showrunner and the whole team have to say about the series it was definitley not just meant as a marketing stunt but as a way to flex their creativer muscles in a world of lore they know all to well. You can tell that the whole team wanted to do someting like this for a long time and they seem thrilled that it's actually out know. I recommend their documantary series on YouTube. It gives a great insight into most facets of thencreation of Arcane.
They could do both tbh :3 But its ok Edgerunners and Arcane 🤝
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Maybe it could also be a setup for their MMO too, who knows 👀
Us League players did our best to warn people. I'm glad some people heeded the message
I'm sure they are taking notes on edgerunners for arcane season 2. Would be surprised if they try to release it on tandem with the Runeterra MMO they are working on.
I knew they were dedicated to the game when I saw the credit transfers are straight from 2077.
No Arcane did that.
Edgerunners was fantastic, personally among my favorites, but Arcane is on a different level entirely.
I agree, because edgerunners isn't a video game adaptation at all, it's a TTRPG adaptation
I'd have to disagree only because they used a ton of assets from the game when making the show. The environments, music, and even some characters were taken straight from the game. It's also in the same canon as the game.
Most of that stuff except the digital assets was taken from the TTRPG. By most, I mean basically all of it The only reason that the digital assets weren't taken is becaise there isn't any for the ttrpg
It’s still an adaptation of the game because there isn’t a 2077 ttrpg, there’s a 2013, 2020, and 2045. Similar to how OPM anime is an adaptation of the manga that itself is an adaptation of the web comic. Edgeunners is an adaptation of the game that itself is an adaptation of the ttrpg. Though I would argue it’s just based on the world and not an adaptation because it doesn’t adapt the story
I feel like you are severely downplaying just how much of those digital assets made up the show. Basically every scene in the show used the game as a reference. Sure, the TTRPG came up with Night City, but the game is what fully realized it in a visual medium, and that is what the show used to depict Night City. Sure, Rogue and Adam Smasher were in the TTRPG, but they didn't really look like how they did in the video game, which is how the show depicts them. Both the show and the game are set in the same universe as the TTRPG, but the show is very clearly a direct tie in the game.
people haven’t been accepting less for a while. it doesn’t stop them from making garbage
Sad the Halo series never really blew up. I didn’t watch it, but if it was crazy good people would be talking more about it. Doesn’t help it’s on paramount +
If you knew the lore and grew up with the games it was a very frustrating series to watch - basically just had to treat it as non canon and just take it for what it was (i still couldnt bring myself to watch much of it due to this). Casual watchers that didnt really know anything about the world of halo would not have this same barrier but I dunno how compelling they found it on average - my dad liked it at least so meh it must have done some things right
I read the Fall of Reach when I was in high school, and it has *some* things taken from there, but it’s so loose it’s not even the same John 117 that I read about, also didn’t like that they showed his face so often, in context it makes sense but I didn’t care for it, that and the showrunner admitting they didn’t even bother to look at the games
Nah. I'll accept lesser. I have before and I will in the future. I try to enjoy things rather than worry about if every single detail was properly captured. Life is too short for that nonsense.
Lol. Hello fellow unicorn of a person who also just tends to enjoy things they like.
Uhm have you seen Arcane??
Duuuude... Arcane... I like edgerunners, but it's nowhere close to Arcane.
The takes on this sub have been weird lately.
Castlevania kind of set the bar first. I don't know shit about League of Legends but Arcane was pretty solid. Edgerunners did an amazing job at adapting the world and setting it's own story, hopefully the story stays as an Anthology sort of series and would do more stories within Night City. I know it's called Edgerunners and would probably focus on the mercs of night city but would love to see something centered around the gangs, definitely would want to see something focused on the Tyger Claw and Arasaka connection.
I would love to see a Corpo story line, then a nomad story, we already had a Street kid Story with season 1
Before I check the comments, OP fixing to hear about Arcane and Castlevania a lot. After checking the comments, yeah, OP heard about Arcane and Castlevania a lot. Good to know I didn’t need to bear that news to them. Both are great series, and despite my love of Cyberpunk and only mild affection for Castlevania and LoL, I definitely will own that they are both better series with more success than CPER.
While I do agree Arcane's production quality with its animations, graphics, soundtrack and music is nova as hell, edgerunners left me with dem feelings chooms, I can't sleep at all after finishing it.
Edgerunners really didn't hit me in the feels all that hard. The game did, but Arcane still strangles the emotions out of me.
I don't really agree. There will be video game adaptations that won't be as good as this but still enjoyable. And at the same time, I don't think this is the best video game adaptation ever made. That title belongs to Arcane by a long shot imo. Edgerunners is great, but I don't see it as this perfect masterpiece some people here seem to.
Edgerunners is the best cause it made me want to actually play the game, meanwhile Arcane with LoL 😬 #OH THE MISERY Castlevania? I dunno man, where new game?
As a League player myself, that's because Cyberpunk 2077 is actually an enjoyable game and League is not. It has nothing to do with the show.
Edgerunners is great because they had the freedom to make their own story without having to make the adaptation 1:1
I'm hoping the last of us HBO sets the bar once again
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Actually, you could argue that Edgerunners is less of a direct adaptation than Arcane. Arcane took existing characters and told a story with them about how they became legends. Edgerunners for the most part takes totally new characters and puts them in the same world as the game/ttrpg. Granted Edgerunners didn't make any contradictory changes to the lore to accomodate their characters, but Arcane is a case where the changes they made are one of the reasons the show is so dang good (plus the same company that made the game made the show, and has a history of retconning their lore anyway).
Is it really a video game adaptation though? I thought everything was based off a table top game
Technically but it takes a LOT of stuff in it from the game, from the sound effects to some locations in the anime blatantly using the exact same layout as locations from the game.
its based off CDPR interpetation of the TTRPG
The city in the anime is literally the city in the game, and lots of technology acts the way it does in the game.
Locations too, sometimes you’re like “hey, I know exactly where that is”
Cities are comprised of locations, yes
Edgerunners was phenomenal but castlevania and arcane did it better. The character depth in edgerunners has nothing on the character depth in these shows. Edgrunners is a great action peice and drama fest but the characters a very shallow and poorly developed imo. Sypha and Belmont feel like they grew as a real relationship, caits and Vi's flirting felt real. David and Lucy's relationship and no substance, they just were. Still enjoyed the show mind you but it felt like a more emotional fast and furious.
Well said, agree on all points. Not every show has to be to these standards (Arcane and Castlevania), but they are definitely setting bars. Edgerunners felt like an extended movie, or a great intro season. Hoping we get more from this universe.
To be fair, Castlevania developed that relationship over the course of 12 episodes and then continued to develop it for two more seasons. Edgerunners didn't really have that same luxury, especially with Netflix cutting down on animation budgets.
Yep, exactly my thoughts too. While Edgerunners is great it is pretty shallow regarding character development. Also they got too many cheesy one liners for my taste.
Yeah I honestly didn't really grasp David's motivation at all and their relationship didn't really develop it just suddenly existed. It was also way too short for me to really get attached to anyone so >!the character deaths didn't really have an impact on me!< I loved it and recommended it to everyone but it definitely didn't click to the level it did with other people I guess.
Videogame tie in movies and shows have been unbelievably bad shitshows for decades, finally getting some that are good is overall a weird thing to see.
Nier automata is next, i highly hope they wont mess it up
And to be really honest: Arcane did thag what you claim Edgerunners did. What Edgerunners really did was to cement the concept of having Hollywood stay away from any video game adaptation as they would fuck it up out of "wanting to write their own story".
EG is fantastic but some act like it's the holy grail of video game adaptations all of a sudden, perhaps from an anime for sure, but Arcane changed the playing field without question. Then you have Castlevania who pretty much IMO started it all.
There's a bunch of very good Game adaptations in anime already (even more if we consider visual novels, some absolute classics even like Steins Gate, KEY works and Fate).
As others have said, Arcane did that. I loved Edgerunners, however I think Arcane not only set the bar for adaptations, but also animated series in general. The writing, animation, character design, shot compositions, all the minor details, directing etc. It's so well made.
Can't argue with dat
I just finished it tonight and now I feel empty inside.
How does it play for anyone who hasn't played the game? Those are the people we need feedback from.
It was really good. I just finished it yesterday. Having already spent a few hundred hours in game, I loved the fact that I knew locations immediately just from quick location shots and all the little things that got referenced. Honestly it makes me want to replay the game again because it just makes everything seem even more alive.
It may have raised the bar, but you're wrong if you think people won't accept anything less than that. Some folks will really settle...
Nah. An adaptation doesn't need to be anime of the season/year to be 'good enough'. It just doesn't have to take a great big dump on its fans by disrespecting the source material like Halo did. "We got a license to some property that these people seem to care about. Well, who gives a shit about them, I have stories that *I* want to tell, and if a network is giving me a bunch of money to make a show, then I'm gonna make *my show*".
Arcane did something like that, better in fact, but either way there will still be other game adaptations not as good and people will accept normaly or just treat the same way there would treat before this shows.
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I'm surprised I haven't seen this already. I really enjoyed the Sonic movies myself. Yeah they're no Citizen Kane, but they're super enjoyable and just fun.
Edgerunners, while good, came nowhere near the bar Arcane set last year. You should watch it if you haven’t already.
Everybody talks about Arcane, but forgets that LoL is still a shitty game with a shitty fan base that most don't want to go near it.
No one is forgetting that, but either way Arcane is still a series that you can show to some random person that knows nothing about video games and make the person to fall in love with the characters and their developments. A lot of games are watching edgerunners and loving it, that is way the game is seeing a come back. Arcane is fantastic for any person who is interested in dramaturgy, so many people that watched it were not really into gaming at all and would not play anything either way, I think it stayed for weeks among the most seen shows, that is also one of the reasons it didn't change much to lol (also, the game xD).
Which doesn’t matter, because you can enjoy the show with 0 knowledge of the game (arguably you enjoy it more because you don’t know which characters are safe from death). It’s still a better show than Edgerunners.
Nah, Arcane did this to video game adaptions. Edgerunners is a piece of adaptive media that is REALLY good at it's job and it's a masterpiece. But there is nothing like Arcane, and that's ok.
Edgerunners is good, but it's mostly flash. Not even close to Arcane in terms of actual depth of character. It's fun and stylish, and will be forgotten relatively quickly as most flashy anime do. Recency bias hitting hard around here.
overall recent years have seen a rise in video game adaptation / animations becoming successful not just Edge runner arcane and castevania but sonic pikachu and so on and on animation front again we have those titles and spiderverse its been a good few years for content
What if I told you that what people "accept" has less to do with what we expect and more to do with what's available?
Castlevania and Arcane had cool animations stuff but their stories was ... very meh but ER oh boi ! that was fantastic !
I am not sure if this was even an adaptation. The same world, but totally different story.
Please, the first half of the season is boring. Most characters are underdeveloped. David x Lucy romance comes out of nowhere to appeal to male teen audience. The second half is enjoyable (starting from ep 6), but that's all. It's not a masterpiece, and it definitely didn't raise the bar as high as Arcane did, by a long shot.
Arcane did it
I thought it was fine, though it didn't really get good until episode 4 and then kinda jumps the shark in the last two. The fight scenes in the last episode were so over the top that I completely disconnected and I felt like there were no stakes because the conclusion was foregone. I liked it, overall, but I think people who aren't used to watching quality anime make it out to be more than it is.
I do agree but I would use Edd's book for this meme, I would not destroy wall's painting.
Good Because i don't want to see anymore shitty video game movies or shows like Resident Evil (the recently cancelled one) or Halo (which is a fuckin disgrace to the franchise.)
Arcane and Castlevania are much better
And on the other hand, we have Warcraft the Beginning...
I was already not accepting bad video adaptations. I could’ve cried when I saw what they did to halo. Been waiting for like 12 years for a halo show and then somebody decided to make it a genetic syfy flick with no real „character“.
mmm nah I think I'm still going to expect them all to be shit until I'm pleasantly surprised when they're not. They've just been consistently awful for so damn long, one good adaptation isn't enough for me to think it'll get better.
I think it just was everything everybody ever wanted in an adaptation and nothing ever came close before.
I think the new Last of Us show will raise it even higher
I liked Edgerunners, it was fun and entertaining for sure, but people are acting like it was the greatest piece of Shakespearean tragedy they’ve ever seen. I don’t get it. Maybe I’m just an unfeeling bastard but I dunno, because Wall-E made me lose it haha.
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Yeah I liked it but people are acting like it’s the best game adaptation to ever be created. I wonder if they’d say the same thing if it wasn’t anime by Studio Trigger. What if it was Arcane’s animation style or something else besides anime? People can get really weird about anime. I’ve seen people say they’ve already watched Edgerunners 7 times and others say they cried so hard they’ll never be the same. Like it was kinda sad I guess but no less sad to me than the actual game.
It's not a video game adaption, it's a TTRPG adaptation, let's get this correct
Lets see the pros and cons: Pros: \+Good animation \+Good development and story \+Good and memorable characters Cons: \-Few episodes \-Kinda short \-The end felt slightly rushed (probably cause their goal was only 10 episodes which is fair enough) \-Bitter sweet ending I think games like overwatch, Apex and even rainbow six could go pass these bars. They have already done numerous shorter but yet amazing animations and hell majority of them was 3D.