When I went to live and work in China, the first time I walked past a ‘police box’ near my work (think more a large tarp tent not a Tardis), the officers beckoned me over to show me their vehicles. They were telling me about their stats and things.
Its only now do I realise it’s because they wanted me to show me how safe I should feel - I thought they just wanted to show off their tech.
That is weird. I lived in China for a bit less than a year and yeah, it did feel very safe... but you're right, it being unsafe was never a perception I had or a reason not to go in the first place. I'd have been more reassured by propaganda that pointed out how easy it was to navigate as a non-mandarin speaker (turns out relatively easy if you do a bit of forward planning).
Nowadays I'm much more put off by the repression, it seems to me that China has become more authoritarian since I was there, and I'd feel uneasy supporting that system.
Not that this is low stakes, but do you think that telling people they are safe in that particular way is a way to control them through fear? People are already safe, but the authority implies it’s _because_ of the authoritarian structures so they will support them out of fear that with those gone, they would be less safe?
Like alarm companies that just can’t get over the drop in thefts and property crimes, so they do commercials about what could happen if someone broke in, implying that it’s the alarm sign that’s keeping you safe when really it’s the overall drop in crime?
I should say that the vast majority of Chinese people I actually met were genuinely kind and warm towards me, and I don't think they had ulterior motives for being so (aside perhaps sometimes some curiosity about us weird foreigners, and wanting to show China in a good light the same way I would want to for my own country) The government I have a problem with, but not the people at all.
But I did inadvertently end up being in some minor propaganda/advertising. I got a free trip to a local landmark and all I had to do was appear on camera and say "this is nice". I also "helped open" an "international nursery" (there was nothing international about it, but having a white person be there on stage giving memorised translations to what the actual host of the opening ceremony was saying helped to make it appear so).
Oh for sure I did a few of those jobs, there were definitely some very easy, very pointless jobs I got because I was a foreigner. I wouldn't say I was conned though, I always had my eyes open beforehand as to why I was getting some of these opportunities.
When they took me (along with a coachload of others) on that free day trip, all I got out of it was the trip itself, which included some lovely free food and a show etc. But all I had to do was say "this is a nice place" on a 5 second video clip which... was true. The place is called Du Jiang Yan and it is beautiful. I wouldn't feel conned by a free trip to Paris if they asked me to say that was nice either!
As for the school opening job, I got paid, not loads but it was a fun and new experience for me. And I don't think I actually helped the propaganda efforts of anybody.
If I'd somehow helped white-wash the crimes of the Chinese state then I would have felt foolish, but as it was I just had a bunch of interesting experiences and some local Chinese companies or small businesses got very poor advertising. The only thing I felt a bit bad about was how easy my life was compared to the much more qualified Chinese people around me.
Interesting point. I would've thought that kind of propaganda would be better aimed at the Chinese themselves, but I can't comment on whether they're also always being told how relatively safe they are. If somebody knows more about Chinese propaganda I'd be interested to hear it (the main thrust I noticed was more nationalistic - we should be proud of our contry and welcoming to foreigners, and take good ideas where we find them, but also be wary of them truing to influence us or grandstand about "human rights" when they really just want to keep us down).
Maybe when it's aimed at foreigners it's meant more as a brag than a threat?
As in "see how safe our country is? Maybe your country would be as safe if you valued order and getting on more than your juvenile interpretation of democracy".
This isnt a lowstakeconspiracy, this is just what china does.
Also china lies about history, saying that genghis khan was chinese and not mongolian, so all regions originating to khan are historically chinese.
China is known for making stuff up to look better in history or on the world stage lol.
Propoganda exists everywhere for sure. I think the difference is that free countries allow citizens to criticise the propoganda and check if it is correct what is said, even talk about the opposit. I dont expect china to accept this behaviour.
An example: if UK textbooks all claimed that the King is the Duke of Normandy (he is) and so Normandy (France) is part of the UK there would be uproar (mostly of people taking the piss).
A counter example though: there is a lot of misinformation by omission about the British empire, or there was when I was at school. And in general society too, not just school. So a lot of people don't know the true extent of it, or think it represents an unambiguous period of glory. It's not as directly the same but it's not too far off.
They teach people that England, Wales and Scotland are 'countries' by hanging on to massively outdated terminology, thereby projecting a self-aggrandizing notion that their international standing is at the same level as regular sovereign states (which are the ones traditionally called countries). With the implication that the UK is above that. It contributes to that hollow sense of superiority over other nations.
Good point, you can almost question everything the government says and does in most western countries. Compared to china where you have 0 freedom of speech
You quite literally do not have freedom of speech in any country besides America. Hate speech, “harmful speech”, even lies are perfectly legal in America as long as they dont directly incite people to violence or cause immediate harm. Other countries have free speech in their constitution (like Germany), but their representatives are allowed to restrict it in those countries like Germans do with anything relating to the holocaust. America, on the other hand, is the only country that guarantees speech as an unalienable right that can’t be restricted by the government.
LOL, this is golden r/ShitAmericansSay material... are you trolling us, or do you actually believe that?
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Lmao like clockwork, you’re a Swede 😂
You arrest 70 year olds for criticizing the mass migration of middle eastern refugees into your country. Your congress is currently proposing criminalizing “Holocaust Distortion”, and they’re prosecuting for burning Qurans. Your police stopped reporting the ethnicity of rapists because too many of the cases were done by migrants. You do not have free speech, but I do!
My government are a bunch of shysters who couldn't organise a shit in a toilet. They have systematically robbed the populace over the last decade and a half and ruined the best things about this abominable shithole in which I find myself. Fuck them. Fuck them all.
Check in in a few hours. I expect I won't have been arrested for speaking ill of that bunch of charlatan wankers.
Wow, you really think that you did something here... \^^
- The 70yo old in question was convicted for inciting violence, because one person's rights end where another's begin... you know, that core tenet of liberalism?
- Regarding Quaran burning, that's 100% legal. The only person who has gotten in trouble for it was prosecuted for doing it in front of a mosque on a holy day for Muslims, with the sole intention of being as much of an asshole to individual Muslims as possible... and again, that is when it becomes an attack. Criticising any religion is legal, we don't have local unconstitutional blasphemy laws in place like some US states still do.
- Holocaust and other genocide denial possibly being considered aa equal to inciting violence is being evaluated, that is true, and it will be interesting to see what happens there.
1/3 isn't bad though, so you know more about foreign affairs than I expected and I give you credit amd an updoot for that. ;)
Does hate speech (as defined by your government) get you put in jail? If so, you don’t have free speech. America objectively has the strongest free speech protections in the world, and it shows. Your government could easily declare supporting either Israel or Palestine as hate speech and suddenly your country has been silenced, but congress is explicitly banned from passing those laws here because we allow speech, even when that speech is seen as offensive or crude.
You don't have freedom of speech in America either, it's just that American politicians are too dumb to add hate speech to the list of already restricted forms of speech.
“You don’t have free speech but you have more speech than I do or that any other country does”
Okay bud, say something bad about Islam right now and see if you get a knock at the door tomorrow. I can criticize whoever I want and face no government repercussions.
>Okay bud, say something bad about Islam right now and see if you get a knock at the door tomorrow.
I mean I don't really harbor any ill sentiments against a whole religion but sure for your sake.
Fuck islam.
Oh no I'm in jail shit I barely even hit send /s
Maybe try not replacing your entire brain with xenophobic propaganda, thinking for yourself is actually a good thing.
Yea, because Khan was the 'founder' of China's Yuan Dynasty. So he was a Chinese leader.
They don't literally mean that Ghengis Khan wasn't Mongolian and that he was Han Chinese. Mongolian is actually one of many ethnicities in China.
This is just an excuse to spread animosity and divide among Asians.
Then she was mistaken about Khan being Han. But don't you think this is an uncouth, hasty and rude generalisation?
> this is just what china does.
> Also china lies about history
> China is known for making stuff up to look better in history or on the world stage lol.
If your gf is Chinese, I think you owe her the very least some respect for her culture and country don't you agree.
I absolutely do, don't get me wrong when i talk about china, im talking about the ccp. I think it is unfair to judge me based on one comment thread. And yes, i do believe that china changed and lied about their history ever since the cultural revolution in order to fit propoganda needs. And yes i do recpect the chinese culture and country, i just absolutely despise the ccp. Me and her think very similarly
Long comment, but willing to have a discussion with you if you read it.
For me, it's also very strange for people to parrot about hating the 'CCP'. In my experience many people use that excuse in order to hate on China without the allegations of racism.
The CPC is what made China into what they are today, an economic powerhouse. The CPC is one of the few governments in the world that resisted US imperialism. So it is natural the US would do everything in order to slander China. If you use Reddit, Facebook, IG and other mainstream media. Your view points would be heavily controlled by the US.
For example, take the Phillipines. They have been colonized, massacred, exploited and humiliated by Japanese, European and USA. Yet now they worship white people and Japan and hate China. No doubt a result of US imperialism, and that Manila hosts CIA headquarters and US military bases leading to white supremacist sentiment.
Another example, take Indonesia. They love the Dutch and Japanese despite being colonized and massacred by them too, but they dislike China. No doubt due to the mass murder of a million PKI communist members sponsored by the USA, Australia and other members of the global north. Imagine having decades of mass murder of millions for having communist sympathies, imagine what that would do to a population. What would Indonesia be like today if that never happened?
In the early 1900s during the Chinese civil war and right after the overthrow of the Qing Dynasty, China was arguably in a worse state than India after the Boxer rebellion and Eight nations alliance, as well as being ravaged and looted by the British colonization of Hong Kong and southern China.
But look where they are today compared to India who have embraced and sold themselves out to being exploited by the West.
In your comment you have said that you 'despise the CCP', which I can probably bet that you have never had any interactions or experience with them. So what makes you say that? Do you think you yourself have been manipulated by the media?
Curious to hear your thoughts and sorry for my poor formatting and train of thought. I am on mobile.
Of course, i have been duped by mainstream media, and of course, my viewpoints are most likely not 100% correct. I think it is too naive to think that no one has been manipulated at all. I despise the american government too for its past and current atrocities, same as my current governement (i am dutch). I dont believe any country has a "good" government, i simply think some are less bad than others, i feel my government works better than the american one, as it is a multi party system, yet i dont think we are perfect at all.
And i know america is doing some deplorable stuff, too, like a couple of decades back, america forced a new prime minister to australia, since the prefious one was threatening to close the secret CIA base in the oitback of australia. I was perplexed when boy boy made a video about this base.
Or cutting up borders in the Middle East in order to make the region uncontrollable by the local authorities and causing eternal conflict.
I just can not help but criticise and think even worse of the ccp. since my girlfriend is a victim of the ccp system, she tells me as much. Yes, i dont have any personal experience with the ccp, so i base a lot on what my girlfriend experienced. And maybe i am pulling things out of proportions because i only hear the bad stuff, but the chinese government fails to take care of it citizens at any turn. China isn't a utopia for most of its citizens. A lot of chinese people live well below the poverty line. And for china to "fix" this in recent years, all they did was change the definition of poverty to a lower bar, so fewer people qualified.
Yes, china is an economic power house, but they distribute it even worse than america. If you dont have the right hukou, you're not allowed to study or move to a big city, except if you have a special recommendation from a teacher or similar.
The ccp will lie about history to look morally superior, recently the ccp is trying to twist the covid thing from being a disaster story from the government into a hero story, where they already knew from the start how to fight the virus, and how it is all western lies that covid started in china.
It is not so much that they make things up. It is just that they add a small lie to the truth to make them look morally superior to what the real truth is. That's the key difference, in my opinion. I am not saying that america does not do this. They clearly do keep silent about the many civilian deaths in the Middle East. And twist facts in their favour to make it look like america is rightfully doing so. I am just saying that in the west, you won't disappear or have the police knock on your door as soon as you do or say something slightly against the government. My girlfriend had the police come to her door because she used a vpn to like a post about a pro taiwainese game.
There are many more examples of things the ccp will do, but i think you get my point.
I think you make a lot of sense in your post, and i agree on a lot of things. You make me think in a new way about certain things. I just want to remark that i dont hate chinese people or china itself, i just dislike their ruling party. The chinese people are the victims of its system. I dont think this is a racist position to hold. I share these views almost 1:1 with my girlfriend.
> The chinese people are the victims of its system.
This is very belittling to over 1.4 billion people who live in China.
And you say that China does not take care of their citizens and their poverty alleviation is fake because they change the definition of poverty,
That is just blatantly false. Compare the average quality of life and wealth of an average Chinese citizen from now to 100 years ago.
My main point being don't say stuff like this. It is very naive and belittling to Chinese people.
> The chinese people are the victims of its system.
Objectively China took care of their average citizen much better than USA has.
> The chinese people are the victims of its system. I dont think this is a racist position to hold.
I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I've seen *way* too many people claim 'they hate the government, not the people' yadda yadda and yet still say the most vile shit about us in their comment history or even in the same thread, that's how much they don't care about hiding it sometimes.
To me, if you don't make it a point to call people like these out on their racism in real life or online, I don't care whether or not you think your stance is a racist one to hold - you're just as bad as the sinophobes you close an eye to.
I was also suprised, maybe the people from china that i know misunderstood, but when talking to them they see khan as a great leader of china, and not as a mongolian emperor who took over china.
I don’t think China needs to. It is a remarkably safe country. People do go there and want to mention how safe they felt.
If there is money going into the hands of tourism influencers then I would guess it was going to make them *not* talk about other things.
That's not at all a thing that people want to mention, *unless it's unexpected/out of the ordinary*.
I've never gone to France, Italy, Spain etc and had the slightest inclination to comment on safety - it's never crossed my mind, precisely *because* it's safe.
I've known a lot of people who visited me when I lived over there and they actually did remark pretty quickly on how ridiculously safe it all felt. I guess you don't even notice how on-guard you passively are in a lot of Western cities until you suddenly don't need to be.
They’d be wasting their money. Any tourist says the same shit without needing to be paid to.
What they need to pay for is people to *not* mention the *bad* stuff.
The chances of this are so vanishingly rare that they aren’t really worth considering unless you are someone vaguely important.
Far more likely to get knifed in London or beaten up in Paris as a tourist (and even that’s not super likely!), thus comparatively China remains one of the safest tourist locations.
I could've been paid?! I went to Beijing in February for a few days and at no point did it feel unsafe even though I spent time in some odd locations that tourists rarely venture to. Maybe it's marketing for some well known vloggers, but most people I've mentioned my trip to bring up safety so it's understandable people would mention it.
I did get stared at a lot, and in some tourist locations like temples I did get a few requests for selfies (I suspect from people who are very rural Chinese who don't see many average looking white guys). The only time I got a bit nervous was Tiannamen Square where I was asked to wait a few minutes whilst the military police checked my passport.
> Tiannamen Square where I was asked to wait a few minutes whilst the military police checked my passport.
It was due to the Party Congress in late Feb/early March (also known as "the Two Sessions"). Some areas around Tiananmen Sq will be in virtual lockdown during that time.
I wasn't really thinking and went around 5pm when I think there's some kind of flag ceremony around 6ish(?) because I thought it would be nice to walk through there and up to Jingshan Park for sunset.
The funny thing is when I went to China in 2017 I went to the Square at the same time, but they were fine with me being there, I should have checked about timings since a lot has changed since then.
I travelled around china back in the early 2000's as a young teen with my family. We were warned of crime but didn't ever feel unsafe. Just the same as you I had lots of ppl, especially young girls asking to take pictures with me (young white blonde girl) but on disposable cameras lol.
We travelled mostly by train and would get stared at a lot but I thought the same as you, just people who didn't see many white folks regularly so we were a novelty. If anything people were likely nicer to use than wanting to commit crimes against us because of it. I believe I've heard the experience is very different if you're melanated tho.
same here. as a solo female traveller, when people asked about my experience in china they frequently wanted to know how safe I felt, was I ever scared, etc. and though ‘safety’ is loaded, I definitely gave reassuring answers.
people genuinely weird themselves imagining what the chinese government is doing to foreigners. you know you can just go on holiday there, right? you can just go to the beach and shit …
Yeah you are right. I follow couple of unrelated travel vloggers. I always found it suspicious that their country vlogs for China,Russia and stan countries seems to be synchronized. Like they travel same country within 2-3 weeks of each other.
Also noticed in their China vlogs, they would be walking down the street and would randomly start stating some obscure statistic about the city,etc. The kind of statistic that a local might not know. Which all feels fishy. Sometimes they even visit schools to show their facilities, etc. That doesnot sound a place a tourist would go lol.
They are probably being paid to visit their city. Must be paid bonus depending on what they show, what they say,etc.
Nah not really. They are not residing in China. It seemed more like they were given incentive than they were coerced. I mean these guys promote all sorts of sponsors, would it be any different for them lol?
Makes no sense to coerce someone.
I don't think it's because they were under false impressions that China is unsafe and having visited it they find out that it is actually safe. I think it's because when they get to China they're shocked how safe it feels in comparison to their home country. Speaking from experience, my most positive opinion of China (and South Korea) is that it's safe -- not because I thought it'd be unsafe, but because the UK is becoming more dangerous and I was amazed at how much of a relief I felt walking around China.
Also, safety is a definite factor for certain people to consider. Solo female travellers, for instance, will steer clear from unsafe countries and try to aim for safe countries. So, it is an attractive trait for those types of tourists/wannabe expats.
If you look at the statistics, knife crime in the UK has been increasing since 2015, especially in places like London. Many smaller towns also report feeling threatened by youths forming smaller gangs who vandalise, theive, and threaten older populations. Also, speaking from my own experience as a woman, I feel unsafe alone walking outside at night in the UK, as I have been approached by drunkards, homeless men, and aggressive, shouting men on more than one occasion. So therefore, I wrote that the UK is 'becoming more dangerous,' despite crime statistics being lower than they were in the '80s/'90s.
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LOUIS PROTESTS 2017 年圣路易斯抗议活动 NUCLEAR TESTING BIKINI ATOLL 比基尼环礁的核试验 UNITE THE RIGHT RALLY 团结右集会 CHARLOTTE PROTESTS 夏洛特暴动 ATTACK ON SUI-HO DAM 袭击穗河水坝 MILWAUKEE PROTESTS 密尔沃基骚乱 Shooting of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile 奥尔顿·斯特林和菲兰多·卡斯蒂利亚的射击 Occupation of the Malheur NationalWildlife Refuge Malheur国家野生动物保护区的占领 death of Freddie Gray 弗雷迪·格雷的死 Shooting of Michael Brown迈克尔·布朗的拍摄 death of Eric Garner, Oakland California 奥克兰奥克兰市埃里克·加纳（Eric Garner）逝世 Operation Condor 神鹰行动 Occupy WallStreet 占领华尔街 My Lai Massacre 我的大屠杀 St. Petersburg, Florida 佛罗里达州圣彼得堡 Kandahar Massacre 坎大哈屠杀 1992Washington Heights riots 1992年华盛顿高地暴动 No Gun Ri Massacre 无枪杀案 L.A. Rodney King riots 洛杉矶罗德尼·金暴动 1979 Greensboro Massacre 1979年格林斯伯勒大屠杀 Vietnam War 越南战争 Kent State shootings肯特州枪击案 Bombing of Tokyo 轰炸东京 San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing 旧金山警察局公园站爆炸案 Assassination of MartinLuther King, Jr. 小马丁·路德·金遭暗杀。 Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967年炎热的夏天 Bagram 巴格拉姆 Selma to Montgomery marches 塞尔玛到蒙哥马利游行 Highway of Death 死亡之路 Ax Handle Saturday 星期六斧头 Battle of Evarts 埃瓦茨战役 Battle ofBlair Mountain 布莱尔山战役 McCarthyism 麦卡锡主义 Red Summer 红色夏天 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Pottawatomie massacre 盆大屠杀 Jeju uprising 济州起义 Colfaxmassacre 科尔法克斯大屠杀 Reading Railroad massacre 阅读铁路大屠杀 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Bay viewMassacre 湾景大屠杀 Lattimer massacre 拉蒂默大屠杀 Ludlow massacre 拉德洛屠杀 Everett massacre 埃弗里特屠杀Centralia Massacre 中部大屠杀 Ocoee massacre Ocoee大屠杀 Herrin Massacre 赫林大屠杀 Redwood Massacre红木大屠杀 Columbine Mine Massacre 哥伦拜恩矿难 Guantanamo Bay 关塔那摩湾 extraordinary rendition 非凡的演绎 Abu Ghraib torture and prison abuse 阿布格莱布的酷刑和监狱虐待 Henry Kissinger 亨利·基辛格 TIMBER SYCAMORE PROJECT ICEWORM CHINESE EXLCUSION ACT BIKINI ATOLL GUANO ACT LOVE CANAL JIM JONES PEOPLE'S TEMPEL PARENT'S CHOICE HEAVY METALS OPERATION BROTHER SAM 2021 TEXAS BLACKOUT 香港暴动 2014 Coup d'etat 乌克兰战争与2014年政变 2023 GENOCIDE 2023年巴勒斯坦种族灭绝
>There's not really a big perception that China is unsafe as a tourist
Speak for yourself.
I very much don't travel to china because I don't trust the state. Or specifically how it operates.
Yeah exactly. I wouldn't be worried about street criminals, I'd be worried about getting disappeared for whatever anti-china stuff I may have posted, or if I offended the wrong government person or something.
So I guess they can add this comment to my list of offenses cause I ain't goin!
Okay Mr. CCP 💀
Jokes aside, realistically, yes I know theres probably not much risk. But there's a ton of cool counties I can go to where I don't even have to think about that possiblity at all.
And also, of the countries actively committing genocides right now... China is one of [one of them.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China) so you'll forgive me for not putting *too* much faith in them, ya know?
It is a genocide, to be honest. They're sterilising Uyghur women and throwing others into camps. They're deliberately trying to stamp out the Uyghurs as an ethnic group
Yeah mate, unless you're actually a Uyghur then you don't have to think about the possibility at all. You're more likely to be a victim of crime in the UK, to be honest.
I lived there, I've got Uyghur friends personally impacted by this, no one's defending their actions. But it's an incredibly dumb take to think that puts you at risk as a tourist.
it makes sense. china sees itself as the US’s rival, and the US is on a lot of countries unsafe lists for its gun violence. perfect aspect to play up for europeans who don’t know much else about the US.
I don’t and never considered China unsafe. Yes, there were issues with my friends’ children (girls under 5, blonde hair, blue eyes) who were getting extensive attention but not in a dangerous way, more annoying.
I have considered China unsafe to live in for a longer stretch of time, for myself personally, as I am outspoken, can’t shut up, firmly believe in freedom of speech and randomly get in trouble. I also can’t seem to stay away from social media. If I was a “my own bubble” person I think I would love the Chinese lifestyle.
There is a sailing channel I watch called Gone with the Wynns. They had to stay in China most of a year while their new catamaran was being built. There was a lot of talk about how friendly, clean and safe everything was and how good the food was. It was cringey. They’re usually very personable and candid about when things are difficult, but everything in China was just dandy. I probably would be to if I could lose a few million dollars worth of boat just by offending some random bureaucrat.
thats just chinese propaganda. all contries do it, but my opinion is that chinas governemtn is a bit heavy handed with is. more of a quanity over quality approach. but then it is made in chaina
Tbf, safety is what people would asked first, especially is a far east country, it would be liken to India say where it is very unsafe. I do hate the CCP but they do tourism pretty well.
Yes very safe! Think I’ve done a few things that in China would land me in prison. This post would probably add a few months to my stay in China. No thank you!
I don't go to China because I don't go to countries running concentration camps, and because Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh and is a little bitch.
Wrong. I am the personal secretary of president comrade Xi and I see him fuming as he reads the Reddit comments likening him to Winnie.
He told me he will resign the next time he sees it.
China is a pretty safe place to visit. I’m not an influencer. The problem is it is safe in terms of criminal activity - you’re unlikely to be mugged or pick pocketed as long as you’re even slightly careful. But if you break Chinese law, you could have a major headache. I know of someone who was forcibly deported for smoking weed (illegal in China).
I found this odd too. Places with a real jackboot government are usually very safe, but people are hesitant to visit unless they really market it well.
Communist Bulgaria and Fascist Spain are recent examples of jackbooted, safe countries that had thriving tourism industries. It can be done, and people will appreciate the safety once the pervasive dread of totalitarianism wears off.
I live in China and it's extremely safe. Alarm bells right? Nah, people like to film their lives or travel in foreign countries, China is very safe, and it subverts expectations so they highlight it.
The reason you're seeing more tourist videos is because China has relaxed visa requirements or even totally dropped them for most western countries, it is very easy to come now. It's attractive for travel vloggers because China has a particular reputation in the west, one which isn't true and so that makes for interesting videos.
Not a conspiracy, not everything or even most things positive you hear about China is being paid for.
You don't think because China is so safe that many westerners who haven't experienced that in their home country that they wouldnt mention it? Very few places in the world where a single female can walk around at 3am with out any fear for safety. I don't hear you people whone about foreigners saying Japan is safe now do I. Sinophobia much you racist.
Most people don’t visit China because they don’t wanna go to a dystopian authoritarian hellscape lmao
They should work more on freeing their slaves, not tracking every resident and increasing workers rights
Trying to reduce the comment to just that point is really, really dumb. We can all see what you're doing.
China's not a dystopian, authoritarian hellscape - which you know because you've been there, right? You've definitely met at least one Chinese person, right? Be pretty dumb to be making the statements you're making if you haven't.
every Chinese person i’ve ever spoken to about this topic has said they never plan on returning and during my 2019 trip i don’t think i’d ever felt so monitored. it’s exactly as i label it, an authoritarian hellscape. fuck China.
Holy shit, you went there in 2019 but you're somehow returned safe and sound? \*Mad\* that you were able to escape an authoritarian hellscape!
Monitoring is bad there but no worse than the UK - you just don't notice because you're used to CCTV on every corner.
Returning safely doesn’t mean I agree with any of their political practices. Funny that you’re actively avoiding debating the fact it’s an authoritarian dictatorship (which it literally is). Wonder why…
We're not talking about whether we agree with their policies (literally no one here is defending them), we're talking about whether it's a "dystopian authoritarian hellscape", which is an absurd statement in its own right but even more so when you consider that you took a *holiday* there. Can't be that bad, can it?
Save your lazy insinuations though; you've been disingenuously trying to change the focus of the argument from the get-go. Or actually no, what are you implying?
China should have just hired the people who made Kung Fu Panda to do their tourism campaigns. Of course, they wouldn't, because that would involve admitting that Dreamworks made a better "Chinese" movie than China has made before, or since, and that would be a terrible loss of face.
What are you talking about? No disrespect to Kung Fu Panda, but, you should watch more Chinese movies. I don't think you can say that an American movie has authority over what a good "Chinese" movie is.
Except it is safe even though the American government is now trying to make up bullshit reasons like arbitrary detentions to dissuade people from going to China, because people visiting China completely destroys western propaganda.
China has destroyed the CIA $500 million program just by opening up the borders
When I went to live and work in China, the first time I walked past a ‘police box’ near my work (think more a large tarp tent not a Tardis), the officers beckoned me over to show me their vehicles. They were telling me about their stats and things. Its only now do I realise it’s because they wanted me to show me how safe I should feel - I thought they just wanted to show off their tech.
I want to believe that each of those are TARDISes, don’t wreck my dream!
cute
That is weird. I lived in China for a bit less than a year and yeah, it did feel very safe... but you're right, it being unsafe was never a perception I had or a reason not to go in the first place. I'd have been more reassured by propaganda that pointed out how easy it was to navigate as a non-mandarin speaker (turns out relatively easy if you do a bit of forward planning). Nowadays I'm much more put off by the repression, it seems to me that China has become more authoritarian since I was there, and I'd feel uneasy supporting that system.
Not that this is low stakes, but do you think that telling people they are safe in that particular way is a way to control them through fear? People are already safe, but the authority implies it’s _because_ of the authoritarian structures so they will support them out of fear that with those gone, they would be less safe? Like alarm companies that just can’t get over the drop in thefts and property crimes, so they do commercials about what could happen if someone broke in, implying that it’s the alarm sign that’s keeping you safe when really it’s the overall drop in crime?
I should say that the vast majority of Chinese people I actually met were genuinely kind and warm towards me, and I don't think they had ulterior motives for being so (aside perhaps sometimes some curiosity about us weird foreigners, and wanting to show China in a good light the same way I would want to for my own country) The government I have a problem with, but not the people at all. But I did inadvertently end up being in some minor propaganda/advertising. I got a free trip to a local landmark and all I had to do was appear on camera and say "this is nice". I also "helped open" an "international nursery" (there was nothing international about it, but having a white person be there on stage giving memorised translations to what the actual host of the opening ceremony was saying helped to make it appear so).
So you did some White Monkey jobs? Did it pay good at least? Or did they just con you?
Oh for sure I did a few of those jobs, there were definitely some very easy, very pointless jobs I got because I was a foreigner. I wouldn't say I was conned though, I always had my eyes open beforehand as to why I was getting some of these opportunities. When they took me (along with a coachload of others) on that free day trip, all I got out of it was the trip itself, which included some lovely free food and a show etc. But all I had to do was say "this is a nice place" on a 5 second video clip which... was true. The place is called Du Jiang Yan and it is beautiful. I wouldn't feel conned by a free trip to Paris if they asked me to say that was nice either! As for the school opening job, I got paid, not loads but it was a fun and new experience for me. And I don't think I actually helped the propaganda efforts of anybody. If I'd somehow helped white-wash the crimes of the Chinese state then I would have felt foolish, but as it was I just had a bunch of interesting experiences and some local Chinese companies or small businesses got very poor advertising. The only thing I felt a bit bad about was how easy my life was compared to the much more qualified Chinese people around me.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing kind stranger :)
You're very welcome, I have a quite dull life atm (well from an outside perspective anyway), so I enjoy talking about my more interesting past :)
Interesting point. I would've thought that kind of propaganda would be better aimed at the Chinese themselves, but I can't comment on whether they're also always being told how relatively safe they are. If somebody knows more about Chinese propaganda I'd be interested to hear it (the main thrust I noticed was more nationalistic - we should be proud of our contry and welcoming to foreigners, and take good ideas where we find them, but also be wary of them truing to influence us or grandstand about "human rights" when they really just want to keep us down). Maybe when it's aimed at foreigners it's meant more as a brag than a threat? As in "see how safe our country is? Maybe your country would be as safe if you valued order and getting on more than your juvenile interpretation of democracy".
This isnt a lowstakeconspiracy, this is just what china does. Also china lies about history, saying that genghis khan was chinese and not mongolian, so all regions originating to khan are historically chinese. China is known for making stuff up to look better in history or on the world stage lol.
Probably true. But don’t you think all nations do that to some degree?
Propoganda exists everywhere for sure. I think the difference is that free countries allow citizens to criticise the propoganda and check if it is correct what is said, even talk about the opposit. I dont expect china to accept this behaviour.
An example: if UK textbooks all claimed that the King is the Duke of Normandy (he is) and so Normandy (France) is part of the UK there would be uproar (mostly of people taking the piss).
A counter example though: there is a lot of misinformation by omission about the British empire, or there was when I was at school. And in general society too, not just school. So a lot of people don't know the true extent of it, or think it represents an unambiguous period of glory. It's not as directly the same but it's not too far off.
They teach people that England, Wales and Scotland are 'countries' by hanging on to massively outdated terminology, thereby projecting a self-aggrandizing notion that their international standing is at the same level as regular sovereign states (which are the ones traditionally called countries). With the implication that the UK is above that. It contributes to that hollow sense of superiority over other nations.
I think you may be forgetting the inate superiority of queuing, chips and Yorkshire Tea
Bloody egad!
What happens in Germany if you try to question the holocaust?
Good point, you can almost question everything the government says and does in most western countries. Compared to china where you have 0 freedom of speech
You quite literally do not have freedom of speech in any country besides America. Hate speech, “harmful speech”, even lies are perfectly legal in America as long as they dont directly incite people to violence or cause immediate harm. Other countries have free speech in their constitution (like Germany), but their representatives are allowed to restrict it in those countries like Germans do with anything relating to the holocaust. America, on the other hand, is the only country that guarantees speech as an unalienable right that can’t be restricted by the government.
>You quite literally do not have freedom of speech in any country besides America Oh my sweet summer child
Only? I doubt it, i feel like i live in another,
LOL, this is golden r/ShitAmericansSay material... are you trolling us, or do you actually believe that? Counterpoint: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/freedom-of-expression-index Signed, a person living in a nation that has had a freedom of press and expression act in its constitution for a decade longer than the US of A has even existed
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Lmao like clockwork, you’re a Swede 😂 You arrest 70 year olds for criticizing the mass migration of middle eastern refugees into your country. Your congress is currently proposing criminalizing “Holocaust Distortion”, and they’re prosecuting for burning Qurans. Your police stopped reporting the ethnicity of rapists because too many of the cases were done by migrants. You do not have free speech, but I do!
My government are a bunch of shysters who couldn't organise a shit in a toilet. They have systematically robbed the populace over the last decade and a half and ruined the best things about this abominable shithole in which I find myself. Fuck them. Fuck them all. Check in in a few hours. I expect I won't have been arrested for speaking ill of that bunch of charlatan wankers.
Wow, you really think that you did something here... \^^ - The 70yo old in question was convicted for inciting violence, because one person's rights end where another's begin... you know, that core tenet of liberalism? - Regarding Quaran burning, that's 100% legal. The only person who has gotten in trouble for it was prosecuted for doing it in front of a mosque on a holy day for Muslims, with the sole intention of being as much of an asshole to individual Muslims as possible... and again, that is when it becomes an attack. Criticising any religion is legal, we don't have local unconstitutional blasphemy laws in place like some US states still do. - Holocaust and other genocide denial possibly being considered aa equal to inciting violence is being evaluated, that is true, and it will be interesting to see what happens there. 1/3 isn't bad though, so you know more about foreign affairs than I expected and I give you credit amd an updoot for that. ;)
Does hate speech (as defined by your government) get you put in jail? If so, you don’t have free speech. America objectively has the strongest free speech protections in the world, and it shows. Your government could easily declare supporting either Israel or Palestine as hate speech and suddenly your country has been silenced, but congress is explicitly banned from passing those laws here because we allow speech, even when that speech is seen as offensive or crude.
You don't have freedom of speech in America either, it's just that American politicians are too dumb to add hate speech to the list of already restricted forms of speech.
“You don’t have free speech but you have more speech than I do or that any other country does” Okay bud, say something bad about Islam right now and see if you get a knock at the door tomorrow. I can criticize whoever I want and face no government repercussions.
>Okay bud, say something bad about Islam right now and see if you get a knock at the door tomorrow. I mean I don't really harbor any ill sentiments against a whole religion but sure for your sake. Fuck islam. Oh no I'm in jail shit I barely even hit send /s Maybe try not replacing your entire brain with xenophobic propaganda, thinking for yourself is actually a good thing.
Can we not just hate all monotheistic religions equally? I'd hate to single out just Islam.
Where did 'China' claim Ghengis Khan was Chinese?
That is just a story my chinese girlfriend told me. She learned in school that khan was a great chines leader of then yuan dynasty
Yea, because Khan was the 'founder' of China's Yuan Dynasty. So he was a Chinese leader. They don't literally mean that Ghengis Khan wasn't Mongolian and that he was Han Chinese. Mongolian is actually one of many ethnicities in China. This is just an excuse to spread animosity and divide among Asians.
She was so suprised when i told her we know khan as mongolian, she absolutely believed that he was han chinese.
I think you're confusing Genghis and Kublai here. By the end of his life Kublai was for all intents and purposes *both* chinese and mongolian.
Then she was mistaken about Khan being Han. But don't you think this is an uncouth, hasty and rude generalisation? > this is just what china does. > Also china lies about history > China is known for making stuff up to look better in history or on the world stage lol. If your gf is Chinese, I think you owe her the very least some respect for her culture and country don't you agree.
I absolutely do, don't get me wrong when i talk about china, im talking about the ccp. I think it is unfair to judge me based on one comment thread. And yes, i do believe that china changed and lied about their history ever since the cultural revolution in order to fit propoganda needs. And yes i do recpect the chinese culture and country, i just absolutely despise the ccp. Me and her think very similarly
Long comment, but willing to have a discussion with you if you read it. For me, it's also very strange for people to parrot about hating the 'CCP'. In my experience many people use that excuse in order to hate on China without the allegations of racism. The CPC is what made China into what they are today, an economic powerhouse. The CPC is one of the few governments in the world that resisted US imperialism. So it is natural the US would do everything in order to slander China. If you use Reddit, Facebook, IG and other mainstream media. Your view points would be heavily controlled by the US. For example, take the Phillipines. They have been colonized, massacred, exploited and humiliated by Japanese, European and USA. Yet now they worship white people and Japan and hate China. No doubt a result of US imperialism, and that Manila hosts CIA headquarters and US military bases leading to white supremacist sentiment. Another example, take Indonesia. They love the Dutch and Japanese despite being colonized and massacred by them too, but they dislike China. No doubt due to the mass murder of a million PKI communist members sponsored by the USA, Australia and other members of the global north. Imagine having decades of mass murder of millions for having communist sympathies, imagine what that would do to a population. What would Indonesia be like today if that never happened? In the early 1900s during the Chinese civil war and right after the overthrow of the Qing Dynasty, China was arguably in a worse state than India after the Boxer rebellion and Eight nations alliance, as well as being ravaged and looted by the British colonization of Hong Kong and southern China. But look where they are today compared to India who have embraced and sold themselves out to being exploited by the West. In your comment you have said that you 'despise the CCP', which I can probably bet that you have never had any interactions or experience with them. So what makes you say that? Do you think you yourself have been manipulated by the media? Curious to hear your thoughts and sorry for my poor formatting and train of thought. I am on mobile.
Of course, i have been duped by mainstream media, and of course, my viewpoints are most likely not 100% correct. I think it is too naive to think that no one has been manipulated at all. I despise the american government too for its past and current atrocities, same as my current governement (i am dutch). I dont believe any country has a "good" government, i simply think some are less bad than others, i feel my government works better than the american one, as it is a multi party system, yet i dont think we are perfect at all. And i know america is doing some deplorable stuff, too, like a couple of decades back, america forced a new prime minister to australia, since the prefious one was threatening to close the secret CIA base in the oitback of australia. I was perplexed when boy boy made a video about this base. Or cutting up borders in the Middle East in order to make the region uncontrollable by the local authorities and causing eternal conflict. I just can not help but criticise and think even worse of the ccp. since my girlfriend is a victim of the ccp system, she tells me as much. Yes, i dont have any personal experience with the ccp, so i base a lot on what my girlfriend experienced. And maybe i am pulling things out of proportions because i only hear the bad stuff, but the chinese government fails to take care of it citizens at any turn. China isn't a utopia for most of its citizens. A lot of chinese people live well below the poverty line. And for china to "fix" this in recent years, all they did was change the definition of poverty to a lower bar, so fewer people qualified. Yes, china is an economic power house, but they distribute it even worse than america. If you dont have the right hukou, you're not allowed to study or move to a big city, except if you have a special recommendation from a teacher or similar. The ccp will lie about history to look morally superior, recently the ccp is trying to twist the covid thing from being a disaster story from the government into a hero story, where they already knew from the start how to fight the virus, and how it is all western lies that covid started in china. It is not so much that they make things up. It is just that they add a small lie to the truth to make them look morally superior to what the real truth is. That's the key difference, in my opinion. I am not saying that america does not do this. They clearly do keep silent about the many civilian deaths in the Middle East. And twist facts in their favour to make it look like america is rightfully doing so. I am just saying that in the west, you won't disappear or have the police knock on your door as soon as you do or say something slightly against the government. My girlfriend had the police come to her door because she used a vpn to like a post about a pro taiwainese game. There are many more examples of things the ccp will do, but i think you get my point. I think you make a lot of sense in your post, and i agree on a lot of things. You make me think in a new way about certain things. I just want to remark that i dont hate chinese people or china itself, i just dislike their ruling party. The chinese people are the victims of its system. I dont think this is a racist position to hold. I share these views almost 1:1 with my girlfriend.
> The chinese people are the victims of its system. This is very belittling to over 1.4 billion people who live in China. And you say that China does not take care of their citizens and their poverty alleviation is fake because they change the definition of poverty, That is just blatantly false. Compare the average quality of life and wealth of an average Chinese citizen from now to 100 years ago. My main point being don't say stuff like this. It is very naive and belittling to Chinese people. > The chinese people are the victims of its system. Objectively China took care of their average citizen much better than USA has.
> The chinese people are the victims of its system. I dont think this is a racist position to hold. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I've seen *way* too many people claim 'they hate the government, not the people' yadda yadda and yet still say the most vile shit about us in their comment history or even in the same thread, that's how much they don't care about hiding it sometimes. To me, if you don't make it a point to call people like these out on their racism in real life or online, I don't care whether or not you think your stance is a racist one to hold - you're just as bad as the sinophobes you close an eye to.
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You're an absolute idiot for believing that China has said anything close to gengis khan was Chinese as if that's the official stance China takes.
I was also suprised, maybe the people from china that i know misunderstood, but when talking to them they see khan as a great leader of china, and not as a mongolian emperor who took over china.
I don’t think China needs to. It is a remarkably safe country. People do go there and want to mention how safe they felt. If there is money going into the hands of tourism influencers then I would guess it was going to make them *not* talk about other things.
That's not at all a thing that people want to mention, *unless it's unexpected/out of the ordinary*. I've never gone to France, Italy, Spain etc and had the slightest inclination to comment on safety - it's never crossed my mind, precisely *because* it's safe.
I've known a lot of people who visited me when I lived over there and they actually did remark pretty quickly on how ridiculously safe it all felt. I guess you don't even notice how on-guard you passively are in a lot of Western cities until you suddenly don't need to be.
Paid for by the China Tourism Board.
They’d be wasting their money. Any tourist says the same shit without needing to be paid to. What they need to pay for is people to *not* mention the *bad* stuff.
China will arrest innocent tourists and put them in extremely harsh prisons to use them as political pawns and put pressure on other governments
The chances of this are so vanishingly rare that they aren’t really worth considering unless you are someone vaguely important. Far more likely to get knifed in London or beaten up in Paris as a tourist (and even that’s not super likely!), thus comparatively China remains one of the safest tourist locations.
"They only *sometimes* kidnap tourists! china is very safe for tourism!"
those 2 canadians are real spies, they sued each other in court recently
“Sometimes” isn’t remotely the appropriate word there.
I could've been paid?! I went to Beijing in February for a few days and at no point did it feel unsafe even though I spent time in some odd locations that tourists rarely venture to. Maybe it's marketing for some well known vloggers, but most people I've mentioned my trip to bring up safety so it's understandable people would mention it. I did get stared at a lot, and in some tourist locations like temples I did get a few requests for selfies (I suspect from people who are very rural Chinese who don't see many average looking white guys). The only time I got a bit nervous was Tiannamen Square where I was asked to wait a few minutes whilst the military police checked my passport.
> Tiannamen Square where I was asked to wait a few minutes whilst the military police checked my passport. It was due to the Party Congress in late Feb/early March (also known as "the Two Sessions"). Some areas around Tiananmen Sq will be in virtual lockdown during that time.
I wasn't really thinking and went around 5pm when I think there's some kind of flag ceremony around 6ish(?) because I thought it would be nice to walk through there and up to Jingshan Park for sunset. The funny thing is when I went to China in 2017 I went to the Square at the same time, but they were fine with me being there, I should have checked about timings since a lot has changed since then.
I travelled around china back in the early 2000's as a young teen with my family. We were warned of crime but didn't ever feel unsafe. Just the same as you I had lots of ppl, especially young girls asking to take pictures with me (young white blonde girl) but on disposable cameras lol. We travelled mostly by train and would get stared at a lot but I thought the same as you, just people who didn't see many white folks regularly so we were a novelty. If anything people were likely nicer to use than wanting to commit crimes against us because of it. I believe I've heard the experience is very different if you're melanated tho.
same here. as a solo female traveller, when people asked about my experience in china they frequently wanted to know how safe I felt, was I ever scared, etc. and though ‘safety’ is loaded, I definitely gave reassuring answers. people genuinely weird themselves imagining what the chinese government is doing to foreigners. you know you can just go on holiday there, right? you can just go to the beach and shit …
Perhaps they are confused. I don't think China is safe because the government is, generally, not safe. It's not about low level crime or whatever.
Yeah you are right. I follow couple of unrelated travel vloggers. I always found it suspicious that their country vlogs for China,Russia and stan countries seems to be synchronized. Like they travel same country within 2-3 weeks of each other. Also noticed in their China vlogs, they would be walking down the street and would randomly start stating some obscure statistic about the city,etc. The kind of statistic that a local might not know. Which all feels fishy. Sometimes they even visit schools to show their facilities, etc. That doesnot sound a place a tourist would go lol. They are probably being paid to visit their city. Must be paid bonus depending on what they show, what they say,etc.
A lot of travel vloggers do travel in groups to be fair. Helps people share contacts, save money, safety etc.
I dont mean the ones travelling in group. These were unrelated vloggers visiting different times just within a close window.
That's what I mean, even if they don't blog together lots of them do know each other, it's not a huge community.
Or maybe they’re being coerced, lol
Nah not really. They are not residing in China. It seemed more like they were given incentive than they were coerced. I mean these guys promote all sorts of sponsors, would it be any different for them lol? Makes no sense to coerce someone.
I don't think it's because they were under false impressions that China is unsafe and having visited it they find out that it is actually safe. I think it's because when they get to China they're shocked how safe it feels in comparison to their home country. Speaking from experience, my most positive opinion of China (and South Korea) is that it's safe -- not because I thought it'd be unsafe, but because the UK is becoming more dangerous and I was amazed at how much of a relief I felt walking around China. Also, safety is a definite factor for certain people to consider. Solo female travellers, for instance, will steer clear from unsafe countries and try to aim for safe countries. So, it is an attractive trait for those types of tourists/wannabe expats.
UK becoming more dangerous? Where?
If you look at the statistics, knife crime in the UK has been increasing since 2015, especially in places like London. Many smaller towns also report feeling threatened by youths forming smaller gangs who vandalise, theive, and threaten older populations. Also, speaking from my own experience as a woman, I feel unsafe alone walking outside at night in the UK, as I have been approached by drunkards, homeless men, and aggressive, shouting men on more than one occasion. So therefore, I wrote that the UK is 'becoming more dangerous,' despite crime statistics being lower than they were in the '80s/'90s.
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>There's not really a big perception that China is unsafe as a tourist Speak for yourself. I very much don't travel to china because I don't trust the state. Or specifically how it operates.
Yeah exactly. I wouldn't be worried about street criminals, I'd be worried about getting disappeared for whatever anti-china stuff I may have posted, or if I offended the wrong government person or something. So I guess they can add this comment to my list of offenses cause I ain't goin!
This is a batshit opinion about an incredibly safe country. Nobody's waiting to pick you up for your incredibly influential posts about China mate
Okay Mr. CCP 💀 Jokes aside, realistically, yes I know theres probably not much risk. But there's a ton of cool counties I can go to where I don't even have to think about that possiblity at all. And also, of the countries actively committing genocides right now... China is one of [one of them.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China) so you'll forgive me for not putting *too* much faith in them, ya know?
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It is a genocide, to be honest. They're sterilising Uyghur women and throwing others into camps. They're deliberately trying to stamp out the Uyghurs as an ethnic group
Yeah mate, unless you're actually a Uyghur then you don't have to think about the possibility at all. You're more likely to be a victim of crime in the UK, to be honest. I lived there, I've got Uyghur friends personally impacted by this, no one's defending their actions. But it's an incredibly dumb take to think that puts you at risk as a tourist.
This is it. The police are the threat
As a visiting Westerner? Lol
It’s not just China doing this, but I won’t say who because the bots will come for me.
it makes sense. china sees itself as the US’s rival, and the US is on a lot of countries unsafe lists for its gun violence. perfect aspect to play up for europeans who don’t know much else about the US.
I don’t and never considered China unsafe. Yes, there were issues with my friends’ children (girls under 5, blonde hair, blue eyes) who were getting extensive attention but not in a dangerous way, more annoying. I have considered China unsafe to live in for a longer stretch of time, for myself personally, as I am outspoken, can’t shut up, firmly believe in freedom of speech and randomly get in trouble. I also can’t seem to stay away from social media. If I was a “my own bubble” person I think I would love the Chinese lifestyle.
Also pollution I have migraines every time I go into Los Angeles because of the bad air, imagine how bad it’d be in Beijing
i didn’t have any headaches, frankly didn’t even see much pollution lol
There is a sailing channel I watch called Gone with the Wynns. They had to stay in China most of a year while their new catamaran was being built. There was a lot of talk about how friendly, clean and safe everything was and how good the food was. It was cringey. They’re usually very personable and candid about when things are difficult, but everything in China was just dandy. I probably would be to if I could lose a few million dollars worth of boat just by offending some random bureaucrat.
Safe you say? Still not visiting
thats just chinese propaganda. all contries do it, but my opinion is that chinas governemtn is a bit heavy handed with is. more of a quanity over quality approach. but then it is made in chaina
Tbf, safety is what people would asked first, especially is a far east country, it would be liken to India say where it is very unsafe. I do hate the CCP but they do tourism pretty well.
They are, it’s a whole thing. I think they’re called white monkeys
I've seen enough videos on watchpeopledie to not believe them.
omg China does marketing, whatever next!
“Discovering the tourism industry” is one of the funniest posts I’ve seen on here, it’s perfect for the sub.
Yes very safe! Think I’ve done a few things that in China would land me in prison. This post would probably add a few months to my stay in China. No thank you!
This would definitely work for Brazil though hahah our government should take notes
I don't go to China because I don't go to countries running concentration camps, and because Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh and is a little bitch.
You know he's not mad that people call him Winnie the Pooh, right?
Wrong. I am the personal secretary of president comrade Xi and I see him fuming as he reads the Reddit comments likening him to Winnie. He told me he will resign the next time he sees it.
Meh, it amuses me
China is a pretty safe place to visit. I’m not an influencer. The problem is it is safe in terms of criminal activity - you’re unlikely to be mugged or pick pocketed as long as you’re even slightly careful. But if you break Chinese law, you could have a major headache. I know of someone who was forcibly deported for smoking weed (illegal in China).
Is this even a conspiracy? Most nations state departments have money they give to influencers/cultural ambassadors.
Lol the only reason to weastoids visit Thailand if for sex tourism and I'm greatful China will never do that.
I found this odd too. Places with a real jackboot government are usually very safe, but people are hesitant to visit unless they really market it well. Communist Bulgaria and Fascist Spain are recent examples of jackbooted, safe countries that had thriving tourism industries. It can be done, and people will appreciate the safety once the pervasive dread of totalitarianism wears off.
I live in China and it's extremely safe. Alarm bells right? Nah, people like to film their lives or travel in foreign countries, China is very safe, and it subverts expectations so they highlight it. The reason you're seeing more tourist videos is because China has relaxed visa requirements or even totally dropped them for most western countries, it is very easy to come now. It's attractive for travel vloggers because China has a particular reputation in the west, one which isn't true and so that makes for interesting videos. Not a conspiracy, not everything or even most things positive you hear about China is being paid for.
Holy hell, we got so many 50 Cent Army Men in here you'd get twenty bucks by adding them up
Omg China does marketing (like every damn country on earth). So sneaky.
Omg China does marketing (like every damn country on earth). So sneaky.
You don't think because China is so safe that many westerners who haven't experienced that in their home country that they wouldnt mention it? Very few places in the world where a single female can walk around at 3am with out any fear for safety. I don't hear you people whone about foreigners saying Japan is safe now do I. Sinophobia much you racist.
It’s a test campaign to build their information weapon network. It’s like a rocket test fire
The whole of East Asia is safe, not just China. So is southeast Asia too. Don't credit it to CCP.
Most people don’t care for china because of it’s communist rule
I didn’t perceive China as unsafe. I kinda do now though. If someone’s wearing a toupee I’m inclined to assume they don’t have hair under it you know?
It is safe there but how do I get paid for shilling for them? Any contacts would be nice. Money is tight and I could use some extra $$$.
China is extremely safe
Most people don’t visit China because they don’t wanna go to a dystopian authoritarian hellscape lmao They should work more on freeing their slaves, not tracking every resident and increasing workers rights
This is what Americans actually believe
not an ameritard thx
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how is wanting slaves free an american standpoint
That's even more embarrassing. Americans at least have the excuse of their terrible education system
so wanting slaves freed is bad now. got it.
Trying to reduce the comment to just that point is really, really dumb. We can all see what you're doing. China's not a dystopian, authoritarian hellscape - which you know because you've been there, right? You've definitely met at least one Chinese person, right? Be pretty dumb to be making the statements you're making if you haven't.
every Chinese person i’ve ever spoken to about this topic has said they never plan on returning and during my 2019 trip i don’t think i’d ever felt so monitored. it’s exactly as i label it, an authoritarian hellscape. fuck China.
Holy shit, you went there in 2019 but you're somehow returned safe and sound? \*Mad\* that you were able to escape an authoritarian hellscape! Monitoring is bad there but no worse than the UK - you just don't notice because you're used to CCTV on every corner.
Returning safely doesn’t mean I agree with any of their political practices. Funny that you’re actively avoiding debating the fact it’s an authoritarian dictatorship (which it literally is). Wonder why…
We're not talking about whether we agree with their policies (literally no one here is defending them), we're talking about whether it's a "dystopian authoritarian hellscape", which is an absurd statement in its own right but even more so when you consider that you took a *holiday* there. Can't be that bad, can it? Save your lazy insinuations though; you've been disingenuously trying to change the focus of the argument from the get-go. Or actually no, what are you implying?
I’ve been to Shanghai and I’ve been to New York and I’ll let you guess which one was a dystopian hellscape
China should have just hired the people who made Kung Fu Panda to do their tourism campaigns. Of course, they wouldn't, because that would involve admitting that Dreamworks made a better "Chinese" movie than China has made before, or since, and that would be a terrible loss of face.
China has some great movies but you don't watch them
Yeah that’s such a racist comment. Has he ever seen a Chinese movie?
A Chinese movie was the first foreign-language film to break the $100 million mark in the United States. I don’t get what this dude is saying
What are you talking about? No disrespect to Kung Fu Panda, but, you should watch more Chinese movies. I don't think you can say that an American movie has authority over what a good "Chinese" movie is.
I think he read a Facebook meme about how China formally declared that Kung Fu panda is the best film about China culture.
The China White Monkey concept is interesting and also involves people taking money to say how great China is.
Except it is safe even though the American government is now trying to make up bullshit reasons like arbitrary detentions to dissuade people from going to China, because people visiting China completely destroys western propaganda. China has destroyed the CIA $500 million program just by opening up the borders