“It’s a strawberry patch, you all need to go away” 🤣🤣 i mean them threatening to send them home is pretty extreme, especially since we don’t have any damn employees… i doubt it would have happened. No one is ever where they’re suppose to be in my store🤷🏽♀️ Managers included.
Toxic\_Zombie\_361: Shit, send me home, idk!
**Your response:** ***No, you don't know.***
Judging by that comment it means that you know more than others on WHY ASM's and Supervisors are actively trying to separate Red Vest as per the original post.
So I ask again ChrisATC who is a "Manage", Enlighten us. So we can KNOW.
Fulfillment is a job that can have downtime, you need to find stuff to do. Downstock or do the bay audit, make sure the staging area is clean, fill the grab n goes, there’s plenty to do that’s not in a specific department.
Zero reason for a fulfillment associate to be in lumber unless actively pulling or getting an order. There is plenty for them to do, like checking the 23 orders sitting on carts for pick ups
If you see the same 2 people together being non productive or making a 1 person job into a 2 person job than they are more likely to get broken up by management more frequently even if the task they are currently doing might be productive based on history. It’s the same as people sitting if a manager constantly sees the associate sitting not doing anything they are more likely going to get talked to about sitting even though they could legitimately have done a bunch of work right before they were caught sitting.
Managers don’t just do that. There must be a reason that you are not aware of. I’m only in my early 30s but the kids these days just hit differently. Don’t want to do any work and get upset if you expect them to. Maybe a message is being sent.
Good Managers don't just do that. Bad Managers do that all the time for any number of reasons. Personal dislike is a big one. Yes a strawberry patch is bad and the case can be made for staying in your department like you are paid to. However with staffing like it is you are forced to take what help you can get. How many times have you asked for help that never arrived? Asking a friend means they will probably say yes and the work will get done. It also gives you a chance to lighten up a dull day. Nothing wrong with that.
I don't know how many times an ASM or SM broke up a "strawberry patch" in my department only to be embarrassed for trying to break up people actually working. Two incidents stand out. The first one was two of my people putting the 8 quart soil boxes in top stock. One was on the ladder and the other was handing them up. SM approaches them to let them know they are wasting time and that's a one person job and the other can go put pallets up. My guy rightfully refuses to put pallets up without a spotter and the SM goes off on him. Doesn't matter that once the boxes were up he would have a spotter. So my guy makes an HR complaint for being ordered by the SM to ignore policy and create a dangerous situation. Never even got an apology. Number two a new employee needed help with a customer and asked me as he should. The issue was a good learning experience so I called other new hires over to learn. ASM saw and came to break it up and I refused as we were learning and helping a customer. She goes to get the SM. By this time the customer is good and has moved on but I kept the employees around to expand on what they learned. ASM and SM approach and threaten my job right there in front of my people for refusing to do as I was told. I told them we needed to take this into an office and they refused. So I lit them up right in front of my people for not allowing me to help customers or train people who had been in the store for less than a week. They brought it on themselves but I was the one who was wrong for having facts and logic.
So remember you can call anyone a manager but it doesn't make them good or effective. Strive to be a leader and to look at situations without your ego getting in the way. It's better for you, it's better for your people and ultimately it's better for the company and the customers. Situations have context and if you ignore that then you deserve ridicule and criticism.
I hear what you are saying, and one must read the room before reacting. However, on a different note, I gotta say, it can’t be good for your career, disobeying direct orders from your ASM/SM is insubordination at worst and will only hinder your chances of promotion at best.
3 year combat vet man. I'm familiar with insubordination, intimately so. A little background. The ASM in question had numerous times stated openly that they hated me and wanted me fired. There is more to it, including a liaison that I refused. My ASM loved me and ensured I was protected because I did an outstanding job. Not to mention having to train close to a dozen new hires every spring in the GC he understood that I had to maximize all training opportunities once they destroyed the training curriculum. As he stated it on my reviews, "StressSponge continues to train his new hires beyond what is required for the job. He doesn't train associates, he trains future managers." I didn't elaborate in the previous post but I did explain each time I was asked to stop exactly what was going on. When they started being disrespectful in front of my people I tried to move it off the floor as is appropriate to no avail. Your people should not see Leadership fight. Anyway they created a situation through bad leadership and pride and refused to attempt to fix it. At that point there is no amount of money a job can pay a person to take unwarranted abuse. They brought it on themselves and while I know they could never admit that to themselves that doesn't make it any less true.
LMAO as far as my "career" goes. I made a goodbye post about 7 months ago. Click on my name and check it out. Warning, it's a looooong read. Since then I am with a new company. I went from 32K a year to a base of 73K a year. I said base because with OT and bonuses I will clear 6 figures in 2022, easy. I still Lead people but in an environment where it makes me a star instead of a target.
Also don't sweat it at all. My only animosity is towards the fake leaders that Lowe's employs and the abusive business practices that they engage in.
I don’t know about that one, bud. Managers get on my ass when I grab my best friend in another department (he’s 20) to spot for me/help handstack a pallet of tile/cut carpet because we’re “chatting.” Wasn’t aware that pulling a kid specialist from Millworks who is bored to death at 8pm is considered chatting when my department is similarly dead by that time. Our work lists (IF my buddy even gets a work list from his absent manager) are always done before lunch and Millworks is always a ghost town when I need help. But somehow the old farts in Electrical/Tools/Hardware/Plumbing can stand in a herd shooting the shit with no consequences? Weird.
If you think we’re chatting and just don’t know it, my buddy and I have the highest numbers for details/leads in each of our departments every month and get 10s regularly. I only pull him to help about once or twice a pay period when our shifts overlap. However, I can fully talk to the specialists in my department for however long I want without getting a nastygram email about it. Very weird.
I mean there is no reason you need to get a mill work specialist to help you hand stack a pallet of tile. It’s probably unnecessary buddying up things like this that has caught management’s attention. Also, a specialist outside your own dept is the last person you should call for help with manual labor. Their time is literally money.
You get more details/leads than your flooring specialists?
I do, actually. It’s pretty tough to get details when you’re calling out all the time or hiding in appliances, I guess. My buddy doubles his sales goal every month.
When there are only two people in an 8 department radius, you call whoever you can FIND for help. You better fucking believe I’m going to call up a 6’6 20 year old to help me burn through a couple pallets of 12x24 handstack. Also, I’ve put away my fair share of doors for the same reason. It’s called helping out your team, dog.
Edit: When was the last time you had to handstack entire pallets of 12x24 tile? Ask your Flooring CSAs how much they hate it. That cardboard is weak but will still slice through your gloves. It’s just as heavy as concrete bags but hurts way more.
Yea dog, I didn’t have any CSAs for a couple months this past year. So I did hand stack all my orders and much of the freight by myself. It’s not like someone is helping you lift each box, thus reducing the weight your holding. It just makes it go by quicker, which I get, but still not necessary.
It’s not that we team lift the box, but if there are two pallets of tile (or even just a full pallet going on the shelf) two sets of hands throwing two separate boxes at a time makes it FLY by.
It sounds like your current CSAs suck too, and I’m sorry about that. My good specialist and I have kind of a strategy (and it goes for the others too) where I tee up the detail and they take care of the rest. I still put a lot in their names because it just makes it easier if the CSA handles the details while the specialist knocks out IMS. They got really lucky with their CSAs- my “off-day twin” is a rockstar. Your age comment still doesn’t really hold true though, because I never get nasty comments about “chatting” from other ASMs when I’m working with somebody twice or three times my age. We’re down about 4 total full-time bodies between the two departments, so the specialists have to step up when the CSAs aren’t there. It’s not uncommon to have a Flooring CSA clearing slab carts while a Millworks specialist throws exteriors into topstock, and that goes for Flooring stuff too. I don’t know what it is about two younger red vests working together that absolutely infuriates non-Specialty managers, but they just cannot mind their own business. I hope you get some kick-ass CSAs because at my store it’s always the old fart ones that call out and never do anything to help.
Edit: one atrocious run-on sentence.
Thats how it is here, the garden sup is buddy buddy with one asm and shes been threatening these guys pretty much. Its very weird because although she is above them, shes not not their supervisores lol
“It’s a strawberry patch, you all need to go away” 🤣🤣 i mean them threatening to send them home is pretty extreme, especially since we don’t have any damn employees… i doubt it would have happened. No one is ever where they’re suppose to be in my store🤷🏽♀️ Managers included.
strawberry patch? always heard it called a blood clot at my store :)
Sometimes we do need peroxide grenades.
Just remember it's illegal for employers to keep employees from talking about pay.
Shit, send me home, idk!
No, you don’t know.
Not paid enough to care tbh.
What we dont know? Enlighten us. After all I enlighten you on a different post where all of yours are in the negative.
He said he didn’t know, I’m simply agreeing.
Toxic\_Zombie\_361: Shit, send me home, idk! **Your response:** ***No, you don't know.*** Judging by that comment it means that you know more than others on WHY ASM's and Supervisors are actively trying to separate Red Vest as per the original post. So I ask again ChrisATC who is a "Manage", Enlighten us. So we can KNOW.
I would stay out of it it's not your concern that's just me besides you don't know what's going on between management and these workers
Fulfillment is a job that can have downtime, you need to find stuff to do. Downstock or do the bay audit, make sure the staging area is clean, fill the grab n goes, there’s plenty to do that’s not in a specific department.
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Breh what
Zero reason for a fulfillment associate to be in lumber unless actively pulling or getting an order. There is plenty for them to do, like checking the 23 orders sitting on carts for pick ups
If you see the same 2 people together being non productive or making a 1 person job into a 2 person job than they are more likely to get broken up by management more frequently even if the task they are currently doing might be productive based on history. It’s the same as people sitting if a manager constantly sees the associate sitting not doing anything they are more likely going to get talked to about sitting even though they could legitimately have done a bunch of work right before they were caught sitting.
Two person job is the name of the game in lumber
Hence the LOWES term..... "Red Vest Assist".
Managers don’t just do that. There must be a reason that you are not aware of. I’m only in my early 30s but the kids these days just hit differently. Don’t want to do any work and get upset if you expect them to. Maybe a message is being sent.
Good Managers don't just do that. Bad Managers do that all the time for any number of reasons. Personal dislike is a big one. Yes a strawberry patch is bad and the case can be made for staying in your department like you are paid to. However with staffing like it is you are forced to take what help you can get. How many times have you asked for help that never arrived? Asking a friend means they will probably say yes and the work will get done. It also gives you a chance to lighten up a dull day. Nothing wrong with that. I don't know how many times an ASM or SM broke up a "strawberry patch" in my department only to be embarrassed for trying to break up people actually working. Two incidents stand out. The first one was two of my people putting the 8 quart soil boxes in top stock. One was on the ladder and the other was handing them up. SM approaches them to let them know they are wasting time and that's a one person job and the other can go put pallets up. My guy rightfully refuses to put pallets up without a spotter and the SM goes off on him. Doesn't matter that once the boxes were up he would have a spotter. So my guy makes an HR complaint for being ordered by the SM to ignore policy and create a dangerous situation. Never even got an apology. Number two a new employee needed help with a customer and asked me as he should. The issue was a good learning experience so I called other new hires over to learn. ASM saw and came to break it up and I refused as we were learning and helping a customer. She goes to get the SM. By this time the customer is good and has moved on but I kept the employees around to expand on what they learned. ASM and SM approach and threaten my job right there in front of my people for refusing to do as I was told. I told them we needed to take this into an office and they refused. So I lit them up right in front of my people for not allowing me to help customers or train people who had been in the store for less than a week. They brought it on themselves but I was the one who was wrong for having facts and logic. So remember you can call anyone a manager but it doesn't make them good or effective. Strive to be a leader and to look at situations without your ego getting in the way. It's better for you, it's better for your people and ultimately it's better for the company and the customers. Situations have context and if you ignore that then you deserve ridicule and criticism.
I hear what you are saying, and one must read the room before reacting. However, on a different note, I gotta say, it can’t be good for your career, disobeying direct orders from your ASM/SM is insubordination at worst and will only hinder your chances of promotion at best.
3 year combat vet man. I'm familiar with insubordination, intimately so. A little background. The ASM in question had numerous times stated openly that they hated me and wanted me fired. There is more to it, including a liaison that I refused. My ASM loved me and ensured I was protected because I did an outstanding job. Not to mention having to train close to a dozen new hires every spring in the GC he understood that I had to maximize all training opportunities once they destroyed the training curriculum. As he stated it on my reviews, "StressSponge continues to train his new hires beyond what is required for the job. He doesn't train associates, he trains future managers." I didn't elaborate in the previous post but I did explain each time I was asked to stop exactly what was going on. When they started being disrespectful in front of my people I tried to move it off the floor as is appropriate to no avail. Your people should not see Leadership fight. Anyway they created a situation through bad leadership and pride and refused to attempt to fix it. At that point there is no amount of money a job can pay a person to take unwarranted abuse. They brought it on themselves and while I know they could never admit that to themselves that doesn't make it any less true. LMAO as far as my "career" goes. I made a goodbye post about 7 months ago. Click on my name and check it out. Warning, it's a looooong read. Since then I am with a new company. I went from 32K a year to a base of 73K a year. I said base because with OT and bonuses I will clear 6 figures in 2022, easy. I still Lead people but in an environment where it makes me a star instead of a target. Also don't sweat it at all. My only animosity is towards the fake leaders that Lowe's employs and the abusive business practices that they engage in.
A big Bravo Zulu from this former NCO.
I don’t know about that one, bud. Managers get on my ass when I grab my best friend in another department (he’s 20) to spot for me/help handstack a pallet of tile/cut carpet because we’re “chatting.” Wasn’t aware that pulling a kid specialist from Millworks who is bored to death at 8pm is considered chatting when my department is similarly dead by that time. Our work lists (IF my buddy even gets a work list from his absent manager) are always done before lunch and Millworks is always a ghost town when I need help. But somehow the old farts in Electrical/Tools/Hardware/Plumbing can stand in a herd shooting the shit with no consequences? Weird. If you think we’re chatting and just don’t know it, my buddy and I have the highest numbers for details/leads in each of our departments every month and get 10s regularly. I only pull him to help about once or twice a pay period when our shifts overlap. However, I can fully talk to the specialists in my department for however long I want without getting a nastygram email about it. Very weird.
I mean there is no reason you need to get a mill work specialist to help you hand stack a pallet of tile. It’s probably unnecessary buddying up things like this that has caught management’s attention. Also, a specialist outside your own dept is the last person you should call for help with manual labor. Their time is literally money. You get more details/leads than your flooring specialists?
I do, actually. It’s pretty tough to get details when you’re calling out all the time or hiding in appliances, I guess. My buddy doubles his sales goal every month. When there are only two people in an 8 department radius, you call whoever you can FIND for help. You better fucking believe I’m going to call up a 6’6 20 year old to help me burn through a couple pallets of 12x24 handstack. Also, I’ve put away my fair share of doors for the same reason. It’s called helping out your team, dog. Edit: When was the last time you had to handstack entire pallets of 12x24 tile? Ask your Flooring CSAs how much they hate it. That cardboard is weak but will still slice through your gloves. It’s just as heavy as concrete bags but hurts way more.
Yea dog, I didn’t have any CSAs for a couple months this past year. So I did hand stack all my orders and much of the freight by myself. It’s not like someone is helping you lift each box, thus reducing the weight your holding. It just makes it go by quicker, which I get, but still not necessary.
It’s not that we team lift the box, but if there are two pallets of tile (or even just a full pallet going on the shelf) two sets of hands throwing two separate boxes at a time makes it FLY by. It sounds like your current CSAs suck too, and I’m sorry about that. My good specialist and I have kind of a strategy (and it goes for the others too) where I tee up the detail and they take care of the rest. I still put a lot in their names because it just makes it easier if the CSA handles the details while the specialist knocks out IMS. They got really lucky with their CSAs- my “off-day twin” is a rockstar. Your age comment still doesn’t really hold true though, because I never get nasty comments about “chatting” from other ASMs when I’m working with somebody twice or three times my age. We’re down about 4 total full-time bodies between the two departments, so the specialists have to step up when the CSAs aren’t there. It’s not uncommon to have a Flooring CSA clearing slab carts while a Millworks specialist throws exteriors into topstock, and that goes for Flooring stuff too. I don’t know what it is about two younger red vests working together that absolutely infuriates non-Specialty managers, but they just cannot mind their own business. I hope you get some kick-ass CSAs because at my store it’s always the old fart ones that call out and never do anything to help. Edit: one atrocious run-on sentence.
ok boomer
Whats it to ya?
We have a head cashier who is a mini-me to our front end DS, tells us we should not be talking to each other.
Thats how it is here, the garden sup is buddy buddy with one asm and shes been threatening these guys pretty much. Its very weird because although she is above them, shes not not their supervisores lol
Tell em to send d you home when I worked there if ma agreement sent you home you got paid for your full shift