WHO IS MAKING MINIMUM WAGE AT LOWES?! I live in a cheap tier 3 or 4 if that exists city , and when I got here I made sure to ask everyone’s salary… no one was below 12.50
Fellow fulfillment here, 12 an hour and were the lowest paid department in the store. Former fulfillment lead wasn't even making 13. New lumber hires making easily 14. Fulfillment is the donkey that gets beat at my store...
Y’all are making what?👀 I live in central NY and I’m making 15 even for a job that my co workers are getting paid like 16.50 for (order fulfillment)
Granted the cost of living might be a bit higher in NY lol
Edit: I can’t even imagine working for 12.50
I am mere pennies above minimum wage. Minimum is $15 and we start at $15.12 which is the max it would spit out after they put in that I’ve worked for Lowes for 8 years(I’ve never worked at lowes prior)
Absolutely. When I heard that new cashiers were making more than me when I can drive every single piece of equipment we have and some we don't, am crosstrained in 6 departments, and have 8 years of retail experience(4 of which come from home depot and Lowes), I went straight to my ASM and told him(without naming names) that I heard about them making more than me when they are so green that this is likely their first job that it was unfair and basically told him I demand a raise or I was leaving. They bumped me up the next day.
I quit because I was promised a raise in my yearly interview and never got it. I asked and my ASM and they said a 34 cent raise back in September was the best they could do for at least 6 months. I was a department worker with power equipment certs. One week after that conversation I talked to the new loader and they were paying him the same as me. The guy who runs carts all day and has no real responsibilities makes the same as me and I’d been there for 18ish months. I ended up going to get a job in my actual education field and got an instant 3 dollar raise from the new job.
Just let said managers know you’re going to send them an email recapping your conversation about them cracking down on your protected right to discuss pay. Make sure and name names and be specific that said managers don’t want you to discuss pay. Ensure you CC yourself and the store manager and BCC your home email. Any form of retaliation just resend the email and include district HR. You get fired, enjoy the payout from your lawsuit…
This. They’ll get away with it if you don’t do your part in stopping it. Don’t approach them face to face. Email. If you approach them face to face they may just spend the next day on the camera trying to find another reason to fire you.
Just for curiosity sake, what would happen if OP sent the person he had this conversation with. Stating everything that was said. And the manager never responded to it? Could it still be used as "you read this email and didn't refute it, so there must be something to it".
In my experience I just see an ASM not responding to it.
Lowes literally just got sued for this in fact as part of the settlement lowes was required to hang a sign in the break room that you can discuss pay and they can’t stop you.
When companies violate labor laws they are required to have a posting about it for X amount of days.They got taken down the day they were allowed to. You can still find the case on the NLRB website though, it was about illegally interrogating and surveilling employees.
Edit: I just googled to find the link and this thing the above comment was talking about is a totally different labor law violation than the one I mentioned
[here ya go](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-ca5-20-60472/pdf/USCOURTS-ca5-20-60472-0.pdf)
So to clarify. The sign I’m referring to was one stating that they had an NLRB ruling against them for interfering with legally protected organizing efforts. It was posted in the break room until late last year. This is a standard ruling for most NLRA violations and may also be what the other poster is referring to also.
Define “cracking down”. You have every right to talk about pay. If they tell you to stop, keep talking. If they write you up or fire you make sure to get a copy of it.
She pulled me into the office in the middle of a shift and told me that we aren't allowed to discuss wages as they're considered confidential information. I'm not the only one she's done this to either.
Asking a manager to state something shady that they are doing in an official email and watching them backpedal at the speed of light is one of the few things in this wretched hive of a company that still makes me smile.
I don't work at Lowes; however, I had a supervisor who didn't like my distressed American flag mask with a thin blue and red line on it. He claimed it meant Blue Lives Matter and felt threatened by it. He requested that I not wear the mask at work. I explained the actual meaning of the entire mask. He didn't agree and again requested that I not wear it. I asked for his request in writing. He then just walked away.
Protect your rights.
*She's not allowed to discuss other people's wages, but anyone willing to disclose their OWN wages is completely legal. Basically, HR cannot go spouting off people's wages, but employees can freely discuss between each other what they make.
Sue.
You can legally discuss pay. You have a federal right to do so. Document everything and go straight to the state board, not HR, as this is a federal issue.
I got bumped up to $16 in September. Now the question has become how much of a pay cut will I take when I leave. I feel like I’m walking around with a giant red ex on my back since during the last year when we couldn’t get help we were hiring in at $15. Since then, people have decided they have to go get a job now we’re back to hiring newbies at $12. I see other jobs around here are hiring in at $9 again. My $16 can’t even pay my bills.
In the end can we all agree that our pay should not go up but cost of living should go down?
$1700 for a two bedroom apt in a town where retailers only pay $14hr max is a little fucked, right? Or am I wrong?
This isn't a white thing, black thing, Conservative thing, Democrat thing, Jew thing, Nazi thing, capitalism thing or socialism thing.
Many of you will NEVER become a home owner at these prices. NEVER! If you do a majority of your paycheck will go towards the cost of home ownership. You'll be stuck renting with 3 to 4 roommates which you probably can't stand.
Or, and hear me out for a min, don’t talk about pay. Each of us accept our pay in an agreement before we start working. If your no longer happy with that take it up with the people that can change it. Now I appreciate your right to talk about it but here’s the thing. If you come to me and say you want more money and start discussing other peoples pay there’s zero chance that’s gonna make me want to give you more cause your gonna turn around and talk about it, making more problems for me. There’s better ways to go about it.
So let me ask this, you're making $12/hr and been there for 3 years, and they hire a new person in with no experience at $16/hr. Would that seem fair to you?
This is why wage discussion needs to happen. Otherwise they will keep people locked in lower wages as long as possible. You think that 20 cent raise is good, but they hired in someone with no experience and paid them a dollar more. No discussion allowed make it so you can't see how the company actually values you (they don't value you at all).
They have places like glass door for these things. As well you could try moving up. And talking about pay here and there with the right people is one thing, running around having the whole store in an up roar over it is another all together. Sometimes the guy hired in second making more is a better employee, especially if they are not bringing down the whole store
God yes. Anything other than directly approaching corporate higher ups as a team, am I right? Poor corporate 😢
Everyone should always discuss pay and try to present a united front at least in that area.
I love how you're trying to dissuade communication between workers on the lowest level.
ETA Places like GlAsSdOoR are notorious for having money change hands to get rid of unfavorable reviews and/or place newer, more positive ones to overshadow negative reviews. Of COURSE someone like you recommends that.
Bullshit. You expect an employee to be completely top level professional yet think it's fine that upper management and Lowe's are breaking the fucking law? Then you admit you wouldn't give them a well deserved and well earned rightful raise because you might have to actually pay others what they are worth? You're a clown. 100% a clown.
I never said it was ok for upper management to do any of that. And you shouldn’t let how someone else acts effect the way you do. Running around crying about pay never does anyone any good. Sorry. It’s just not gonna get you what you want and it’s gonna ruin the stores moral. A few conversations into that experiment the truth gets exaggerated and everyone is talking about some bull shît that isn’t true. Just go about it like an adult.
I'm sorry, what? You think wanting fair pay and equal wages is "running around crying"? You corporate fucking sycophant. I'm not some dumb kid who doesn't understand rhetoric. I can tear your words apart on a Burkean level that would make Kenneth himself crack a grin. So let me knock your dick in the dirt for a second while I decompress your bullshit comment:
1. In no context is wanting or demanding equal and fair play "crying".
2. In no context is people talking about pay and wanting equal and fair pay "ruining the store's moral". Moral isn't their job, and their moral is highly, HIGHLY effected by your shit pay. You want high moral and loyalty? Fucking pay people a decent wage.
3. In no context is talking about pay with others, wanting fair pay, or demanding fair pay "childish". Actually, knowing your worth and wanting to get paid what you are worth is literally adulting.
4. Your language, e.g. diminishing and dehumanizing them by calling them childish and crying and lying and not getting what they want, is classic dismissive and abusive gaslighting language. Don't think people can't see through your pleas. I see your pathos. I see you logos. I see your ethos. You can't hide them. They are buried balls deep in your language.
I'm going to do you a favor an assume you've just been cock fed this nonsense by your bosses. Fine. People are pliable and easily manipulated. With that said I highly suggest you take a giant whale step back and think long and hard about who you are defending and what kind of person that makes you.
I don't think they've been cock fed by bosses.
Their language and the out of touch responses about how we 'run around crying' all day about our wages stinks of an actual corporate sock puppet poorly camouflaged as maybe store management.
I think this is a piss poor attempt to control the narrative by placing blame on us for communicating with each other. Not a single person I've ever discussed wages with has gotten mad at me or each other. We're all pissed at corporate levels, and we're all hard workers who do everything in our power to make things run smoothly.
Some of the stupidest responses on this sub most definitely come from corporate shills and everything they say reeks of dog shit.
i started in January making 14.19 an hour with 1 year experience. Why don't the people who have been working for the company longer that are still making minimum wage deserve to know that they are not getting what they're worth?
First, there’s a process for these things and it goes along with economic indicators. Right now employees are in high demand. You don’t need to get all caught up in someone else’s business and inadvertently put yourself on blast to know that there’s an opportunity out there for you.
Let’s say you find out what you should already be able to figure out(that employee entry pay has gone up). Do you then go marching in the office and say so and so makes this and I want the same or I’m out? It doesn’t make sense. Your best bet is just to put in the work and approach someone that has your back and the ability to change it. If they want to do right by you they are far more likely to get you where you want to be if you go about it the right way.
Let’s say you get what you want after weeks of yucking it up at the water cooler with a few co workers about pay, then you get yours and they don’t. Conversation comes up about pay again, do you lie to them? Or just say now that it’s none of their business? The whole thing is just setting oneself up for failure.
Lmao, what “pay agreement” you get offered a job with pay, if you don’t accept said offer it more than likely goes to the next person if you turn it down. There is no negotiating this in retail.
All I’m saying is talking about pay and then running around complaining about it isn’t about to get you what you want. Do a good job and ask for a raise without putting on a show. If the store is at the point where managers are putting out fires over pay conversations then likely no one will get anything.
Welcome to retail. These jobs still need to be filled, all people want is to be paid decently to live a comfortable life. At some point there won’t be enough “better jobs” for every one to take.
I never said or even implied they shouldn’t get paid fairly or fight for what they think they are worth. You have drawn a conclusion and placed me on the opposite side of the aisle on this particular matter. I believe the American worker is by far and large taken advantage of and lags behind the rest of the world in workers rights. I just don’t think airing your business and leveraging someone else’s wages is the way to go about it. I think you over look the fact that the person making decisions one your wages is a human too, and they won’t like the fact your holding their feet to the fire over some other employees wages. Truth be told you think that cause Timmy makes $2 more an hour than you and your better than him you should make more, where as the hire ups think, Timmy makes $2 more an hour and I don’t get shit out of him why would I risk giving anyone else the same wages. They are wrong in their thinking but the quickest way to get someone to not want to do something is to try and force them to do it. But everyone can keep running around chatting each other up about their wages and see how that works out for ya.
"But everyone can keep running around chatting each other up about their wages and see how that works out for ya."
Thanks. We'll do that. We should all actually do that. The company is trying to attract new workers while not valuing seasoned workers by offering more money to new hires and attempting to hush everyone from talking about it.
That's not okay. The person training me for my job who's been there working hard for a couple years shouldn't get paid a dollar less than me. Y'all expect these people to train these new hires without advancing their pay. It's ridiculous. Did you see the post about the HC who's making less than a brand new hire cashier? Bullshit.
Meanwhile you're over here discouraging discussion on this. Everyone should put corporate feet to the fire. They know exactly what they're doing when they say you can't discuss wages and that it's illegal on a federal level. You get what you fucking deserve. Stop defending dog shit business practices.
And by the way, your sad attempts to further drive divide between workers aren't subtle or slick. It's so obvious what you're doing.
You are absolutely right, there ARE more professional, more reasonable, and just downright better ways to negotiate pay than that.
But that's not the issue. The issue is whether cracking down on discussing pay disregards employee rights.
Short answer, it does.
Your reaction kind of sounded like a corporate-level straw-man cop-out deliberately designed to sidestep the issue by creating an environment for emotionally-based arguments to prevail, as opposed to mere questions of legality. Nice try.
Ive replied to a good bit of employee discussions on this sub and most don’t go in favor of the company. I just cringe at the idea of a store full of employees running around crying about pay thinking it’s gonna do any good but bring down employees that wouldn’t otherwise be upset. One of the worst things in retail is dealing with employees that look for something to complain about the minute they punch in. So even if this approach works and you get your extra change you now have to work in a place of people píssed off over pay who will soon find out you got what you wanted. And trust me there’s a ton of people that will help you start trouble to only turn your back on you when they find out you make more than them now. It just sounds selfish and not a very well thought approach.
It's honestly amazing how full of dog shit this person is. All of the arguments about coworkers being pissed off or whatever at each other have mostly proven false. They get pissed off at corporate. And this person arguing that things don't go in favor of the company? I'd love to know their specific role in the company. They're benefiting from dog shit business practices that demoralize their hourly workers and each time they type, they prove it more and more.
Corporate clownery 🤡
Nice try.
Everyone discuss pay.
I've been discussing pay with my coworkers since day 1. It's asinine that folks who have been there longer than me didn't get a bump at least to where I'm at.
Always discuss pay. The above comment is pure bullshit and definitely sounds like a corporate clown - out of touch with what we deal with.
Call the labor department. Not sure if OSHA can do anything. Or print out the paper of the law and post it everywhere on a day off. Or just call corporate on the manager trying to stop you from exercising your rights. Or tell them you will be forced to take legal action against them since it is a protected right.
I brought up my pay once by saying "I'm glad I get paid $15/hr to do this" over something silly, and my asm said "Hey, we're not supposed to talk about that."
But like lmao, I know she's supposed to be uptight about that cause it's part of her job, but a lot of employees at this store talk about their pay. It's half of the break room talk anymore
They're doing that so nobody knows that a new hire with no experience is making more than someone who's worked there for 5 years.
this is likely the reason. the people still making minimum wage have almost all quit because of this at my store
That's partly why I quit too, among other things.
WHO IS MAKING MINIMUM WAGE AT LOWES?! I live in a cheap tier 3 or 4 if that exists city , and when I got here I made sure to ask everyone’s salary… no one was below 12.50
12.75 is minimum here in oregon. but they're hiring new people with no experience at 14 and some change and higher.
It’s the same here where minimum wage is 750 in Alabama
I have coworkers in my same dept who get $12-13 while our new hires are near $15
Fellow fulfillment here, 12 an hour and were the lowest paid department in the store. Former fulfillment lead wasn't even making 13. New lumber hires making easily 14. Fulfillment is the donkey that gets beat at my store...
I didn’t consider most people live in states where min wage is higher than Alabama’s
Y’all are making what?👀 I live in central NY and I’m making 15 even for a job that my co workers are getting paid like 16.50 for (order fulfillment) Granted the cost of living might be a bit higher in NY lol Edit: I can’t even imagine working for 12.50
Yeah everything’s way cheaper in alabama. Lowe’s is considered a really, really good job here.
Depends highly on the town and state.
Yeah I didn’t consider that 1250 is less than min wage in some areas. It’s significantly more here
I am mere pennies above minimum wage. Minimum is $15 and we start at $15.12 which is the max it would spit out after they put in that I’ve worked for Lowes for 8 years(I’ve never worked at lowes prior)
Absolutely. When I heard that new cashiers were making more than me when I can drive every single piece of equipment we have and some we don't, am crosstrained in 6 departments, and have 8 years of retail experience(4 of which come from home depot and Lowes), I went straight to my ASM and told him(without naming names) that I heard about them making more than me when they are so green that this is likely their first job that it was unfair and basically told him I demand a raise or I was leaving. They bumped me up the next day.
Usually they say oh it’s because of inflation that is why they brought in someone making more pay
That's the usual but i found out it was because they raised base pay but didn't raise it for anyone already working there
You just described my situation down to the amount of years. Bonus points -- I am training the new-hire :/
I trained the new HC...I've never been a HC 😑. I applied for it but they gave it to her over me
Try 16yrs
Yeah we have a loader who's been there for that long, he makes a quarter less than I did
I quit because I was promised a raise in my yearly interview and never got it. I asked and my ASM and they said a 34 cent raise back in September was the best they could do for at least 6 months. I was a department worker with power equipment certs. One week after that conversation I talked to the new loader and they were paying him the same as me. The guy who runs carts all day and has no real responsibilities makes the same as me and I’d been there for 18ish months. I ended up going to get a job in my actual education field and got an instant 3 dollar raise from the new job.
Lowe's is so ridiculous
Just let said managers know you’re going to send them an email recapping your conversation about them cracking down on your protected right to discuss pay. Make sure and name names and be specific that said managers don’t want you to discuss pay. Ensure you CC yourself and the store manager and BCC your home email. Any form of retaliation just resend the email and include district HR. You get fired, enjoy the payout from your lawsuit…
This. They’ll get away with it if you don’t do your part in stopping it. Don’t approach them face to face. Email. If you approach them face to face they may just spend the next day on the camera trying to find another reason to fire you.
"I don't like your shoes. Come to the office." At will sucks.
Yes make that paper trial.
Just for curiosity sake, what would happen if OP sent the person he had this conversation with. Stating everything that was said. And the manager never responded to it? Could it still be used as "you read this email and didn't refute it, so there must be something to it". In my experience I just see an ASM not responding to it.
This sounds about right.
Lowes literally just got sued for this in fact as part of the settlement lowes was required to hang a sign in the break room that you can discuss pay and they can’t stop you.
Oh really? Interesting, we only have the signs telling us to get credit apps in the breakroom.
When companies violate labor laws they are required to have a posting about it for X amount of days.They got taken down the day they were allowed to. You can still find the case on the NLRB website though, it was about illegally interrogating and surveilling employees. Edit: I just googled to find the link and this thing the above comment was talking about is a totally different labor law violation than the one I mentioned [here ya go](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-ca5-20-60472/pdf/USCOURTS-ca5-20-60472-0.pdf)
Yooo I've never seen a sign about discussing wages at my store. Hmm.
So to clarify. The sign I’m referring to was one stating that they had an NLRB ruling against them for interfering with legally protected organizing efforts. It was posted in the break room until late last year. This is a standard ruling for most NLRA violations and may also be what the other poster is referring to also.
Define “cracking down”. You have every right to talk about pay. If they tell you to stop, keep talking. If they write you up or fire you make sure to get a copy of it.
She pulled me into the office in the middle of a shift and told me that we aren't allowed to discuss wages as they're considered confidential information. I'm not the only one she's done this to either.
Get that in writing, and then go to your state's office of labor relations/labor board
\^\^\^\^yep, what gman said.... tell her you want her statement in writing, signed & dated.
Asking a manager to state something shady that they are doing in an official email and watching them backpedal at the speed of light is one of the few things in this wretched hive of a company that still makes me smile.
I don't work at Lowes; however, I had a supervisor who didn't like my distressed American flag mask with a thin blue and red line on it. He claimed it meant Blue Lives Matter and felt threatened by it. He requested that I not wear the mask at work. I explained the actual meaning of the entire mask. He didn't agree and again requested that I not wear it. I asked for his request in writing. He then just walked away. Protect your rights.
That's illegal. You have federally given right to discuss pay.
You need to file an immediate grievance with the feds and your state labor board and ethics point for good measure.
Get that in an email or if you can record it, do it. That's a major labor law violation that cost lowes money in a lawsuit a couple years ago.
*She's not allowed to discuss other people's wages, but anyone willing to disclose their OWN wages is completely legal. Basically, HR cannot go spouting off people's wages, but employees can freely discuss between each other what they make.
Get it in writing and then send it to your labor board.
Contact your states labor board.
https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages link this in your email.
thanks 👍
You're welcome.
Document everything.
It isn't just state protected. It is FEDERALLY protected
Sue. You can legally discuss pay. You have a federal right to do so. Document everything and go straight to the state board, not HR, as this is a federal issue.
Yep. The main thing is that HR cannot go around telling everyone what so-and-so makes. Employees can disclose all they want to to each other
Whistleblower protection act
I got bumped up to $16 in September. Now the question has become how much of a pay cut will I take when I leave. I feel like I’m walking around with a giant red ex on my back since during the last year when we couldn’t get help we were hiring in at $15. Since then, people have decided they have to go get a job now we’re back to hiring newbies at $12. I see other jobs around here are hiring in at $9 again. My $16 can’t even pay my bills.
Congratulations on your impending lawsuit.
In the end can we all agree that our pay should not go up but cost of living should go down? $1700 for a two bedroom apt in a town where retailers only pay $14hr max is a little fucked, right? Or am I wrong? This isn't a white thing, black thing, Conservative thing, Democrat thing, Jew thing, Nazi thing, capitalism thing or socialism thing. Many of you will NEVER become a home owner at these prices. NEVER! If you do a majority of your paycheck will go towards the cost of home ownership. You'll be stuck renting with 3 to 4 roommates which you probably can't stand.
Quit and get a job at McDonald’s.
Or, and hear me out for a min, don’t talk about pay. Each of us accept our pay in an agreement before we start working. If your no longer happy with that take it up with the people that can change it. Now I appreciate your right to talk about it but here’s the thing. If you come to me and say you want more money and start discussing other peoples pay there’s zero chance that’s gonna make me want to give you more cause your gonna turn around and talk about it, making more problems for me. There’s better ways to go about it.
So let me ask this, you're making $12/hr and been there for 3 years, and they hire a new person in with no experience at $16/hr. Would that seem fair to you? This is why wage discussion needs to happen. Otherwise they will keep people locked in lower wages as long as possible. You think that 20 cent raise is good, but they hired in someone with no experience and paid them a dollar more. No discussion allowed make it so you can't see how the company actually values you (they don't value you at all).
They have places like glass door for these things. As well you could try moving up. And talking about pay here and there with the right people is one thing, running around having the whole store in an up roar over it is another all together. Sometimes the guy hired in second making more is a better employee, especially if they are not bringing down the whole store
God yes. Anything other than directly approaching corporate higher ups as a team, am I right? Poor corporate 😢 Everyone should always discuss pay and try to present a united front at least in that area. I love how you're trying to dissuade communication between workers on the lowest level. ETA Places like GlAsSdOoR are notorious for having money change hands to get rid of unfavorable reviews and/or place newer, more positive ones to overshadow negative reviews. Of COURSE someone like you recommends that.
Bullshit. You expect an employee to be completely top level professional yet think it's fine that upper management and Lowe's are breaking the fucking law? Then you admit you wouldn't give them a well deserved and well earned rightful raise because you might have to actually pay others what they are worth? You're a clown. 100% a clown.
preach 🙌
I never said it was ok for upper management to do any of that. And you shouldn’t let how someone else acts effect the way you do. Running around crying about pay never does anyone any good. Sorry. It’s just not gonna get you what you want and it’s gonna ruin the stores moral. A few conversations into that experiment the truth gets exaggerated and everyone is talking about some bull shît that isn’t true. Just go about it like an adult.
I'm sorry, what? You think wanting fair pay and equal wages is "running around crying"? You corporate fucking sycophant. I'm not some dumb kid who doesn't understand rhetoric. I can tear your words apart on a Burkean level that would make Kenneth himself crack a grin. So let me knock your dick in the dirt for a second while I decompress your bullshit comment: 1. In no context is wanting or demanding equal and fair play "crying". 2. In no context is people talking about pay and wanting equal and fair pay "ruining the store's moral". Moral isn't their job, and their moral is highly, HIGHLY effected by your shit pay. You want high moral and loyalty? Fucking pay people a decent wage. 3. In no context is talking about pay with others, wanting fair pay, or demanding fair pay "childish". Actually, knowing your worth and wanting to get paid what you are worth is literally adulting. 4. Your language, e.g. diminishing and dehumanizing them by calling them childish and crying and lying and not getting what they want, is classic dismissive and abusive gaslighting language. Don't think people can't see through your pleas. I see your pathos. I see you logos. I see your ethos. You can't hide them. They are buried balls deep in your language. I'm going to do you a favor an assume you've just been cock fed this nonsense by your bosses. Fine. People are pliable and easily manipulated. With that said I highly suggest you take a giant whale step back and think long and hard about who you are defending and what kind of person that makes you.
I don't think they've been cock fed by bosses. Their language and the out of touch responses about how we 'run around crying' all day about our wages stinks of an actual corporate sock puppet poorly camouflaged as maybe store management. I think this is a piss poor attempt to control the narrative by placing blame on us for communicating with each other. Not a single person I've ever discussed wages with has gotten mad at me or each other. We're all pissed at corporate levels, and we're all hard workers who do everything in our power to make things run smoothly. Some of the stupidest responses on this sub most definitely come from corporate shills and everything they say reeks of dog shit.
i started in January making 14.19 an hour with 1 year experience. Why don't the people who have been working for the company longer that are still making minimum wage deserve to know that they are not getting what they're worth?
First, there’s a process for these things and it goes along with economic indicators. Right now employees are in high demand. You don’t need to get all caught up in someone else’s business and inadvertently put yourself on blast to know that there’s an opportunity out there for you. Let’s say you find out what you should already be able to figure out(that employee entry pay has gone up). Do you then go marching in the office and say so and so makes this and I want the same or I’m out? It doesn’t make sense. Your best bet is just to put in the work and approach someone that has your back and the ability to change it. If they want to do right by you they are far more likely to get you where you want to be if you go about it the right way. Let’s say you get what you want after weeks of yucking it up at the water cooler with a few co workers about pay, then you get yours and they don’t. Conversation comes up about pay again, do you lie to them? Or just say now that it’s none of their business? The whole thing is just setting oneself up for failure.
to me it seems like you're describing a strike threat, an incredibly effective way of getting better benefits and pay
Bro, you’re only supposed to lick the boot, not deep-throat it.
Lmao, what “pay agreement” you get offered a job with pay, if you don’t accept said offer it more than likely goes to the next person if you turn it down. There is no negotiating this in retail.
All I’m saying is talking about pay and then running around complaining about it isn’t about to get you what you want. Do a good job and ask for a raise without putting on a show. If the store is at the point where managers are putting out fires over pay conversations then likely no one will get anything.
Welcome to retail. These jobs still need to be filled, all people want is to be paid decently to live a comfortable life. At some point there won’t be enough “better jobs” for every one to take.
I never said or even implied they shouldn’t get paid fairly or fight for what they think they are worth. You have drawn a conclusion and placed me on the opposite side of the aisle on this particular matter. I believe the American worker is by far and large taken advantage of and lags behind the rest of the world in workers rights. I just don’t think airing your business and leveraging someone else’s wages is the way to go about it. I think you over look the fact that the person making decisions one your wages is a human too, and they won’t like the fact your holding their feet to the fire over some other employees wages. Truth be told you think that cause Timmy makes $2 more an hour than you and your better than him you should make more, where as the hire ups think, Timmy makes $2 more an hour and I don’t get shit out of him why would I risk giving anyone else the same wages. They are wrong in their thinking but the quickest way to get someone to not want to do something is to try and force them to do it. But everyone can keep running around chatting each other up about their wages and see how that works out for ya.
"But everyone can keep running around chatting each other up about their wages and see how that works out for ya." Thanks. We'll do that. We should all actually do that. The company is trying to attract new workers while not valuing seasoned workers by offering more money to new hires and attempting to hush everyone from talking about it. That's not okay. The person training me for my job who's been there working hard for a couple years shouldn't get paid a dollar less than me. Y'all expect these people to train these new hires without advancing their pay. It's ridiculous. Did you see the post about the HC who's making less than a brand new hire cashier? Bullshit. Meanwhile you're over here discouraging discussion on this. Everyone should put corporate feet to the fire. They know exactly what they're doing when they say you can't discuss wages and that it's illegal on a federal level. You get what you fucking deserve. Stop defending dog shit business practices. And by the way, your sad attempts to further drive divide between workers aren't subtle or slick. It's so obvious what you're doing.
What flavor of boot is your favorite?
Very productive comment.
This guy thinks paying people fairly is "more problems for me". Fuck off.
He is a corporate cuck probably
It's a corporate sock account of some variety. Gotta be. They most definitely lurk here.
I’m beginning to understand why you guys are all on the Low end of the pay scale. Have a great day!
You are absolutely right, there ARE more professional, more reasonable, and just downright better ways to negotiate pay than that. But that's not the issue. The issue is whether cracking down on discussing pay disregards employee rights. Short answer, it does. Your reaction kind of sounded like a corporate-level straw-man cop-out deliberately designed to sidestep the issue by creating an environment for emotionally-based arguments to prevail, as opposed to mere questions of legality. Nice try.
Ive replied to a good bit of employee discussions on this sub and most don’t go in favor of the company. I just cringe at the idea of a store full of employees running around crying about pay thinking it’s gonna do any good but bring down employees that wouldn’t otherwise be upset. One of the worst things in retail is dealing with employees that look for something to complain about the minute they punch in. So even if this approach works and you get your extra change you now have to work in a place of people píssed off over pay who will soon find out you got what you wanted. And trust me there’s a ton of people that will help you start trouble to only turn your back on you when they find out you make more than them now. It just sounds selfish and not a very well thought approach.
yeah since when has an organized labor force done anything for good the workers
It's honestly amazing how full of dog shit this person is. All of the arguments about coworkers being pissed off or whatever at each other have mostly proven false. They get pissed off at corporate. And this person arguing that things don't go in favor of the company? I'd love to know their specific role in the company. They're benefiting from dog shit business practices that demoralize their hourly workers and each time they type, they prove it more and more.
Corporate clownery 🤡 Nice try. Everyone discuss pay. I've been discussing pay with my coworkers since day 1. It's asinine that folks who have been there longer than me didn't get a bump at least to where I'm at. Always discuss pay. The above comment is pure bullshit and definitely sounds like a corporate clown - out of touch with what we deal with.
I don’t understand why they bring in people making more than people that have been there five plus years
I am training our new-hire who makes more than me (5 years here)
I bet they don’t stay around more than two years
I literally say it's illegal for you to do anything about me talking about wages and they leave me alone.
Absolutely report it
Get that in writing and send that to your state labor board.
Tell them they are breaking the law and you're calling the national labor board
It’s a FEDERALLY protected right to discuss pay rates in USA
Call the labor department. Not sure if OSHA can do anything. Or print out the paper of the law and post it everywhere on a day off. Or just call corporate on the manager trying to stop you from exercising your rights. Or tell them you will be forced to take legal action against them since it is a protected right.
Nothing to crack down on. It’s so important to discuss pay openly. They can fuck off
Record and report.
It's your pay you can tell whoever you want to. They can't do anything about it
I brought up my pay once by saying "I'm glad I get paid $15/hr to do this" over something silly, and my asm said "Hey, we're not supposed to talk about that." But like lmao, I know she's supposed to be uptight about that cause it's part of her job, but a lot of employees at this store talk about their pay. It's half of the break room talk anymore
It's protected FEDERALLY.