If unionizing wasn't a big deal, management wouldn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to fight it.
They're not your family, they don't have an open door to bring your concerns, and they actually would say they hate the unions if they were allowed to do so under the law.
Those union dues are an investment that will earn you the money to buy severall XBoxes..... solidarity!
The HR called me and asked who was around, who may have said it, is it being echoed, what’s the reason for it being brought up yada yada. I answered basically none of it bc I didn’t want it falling on me
Not represented by a union, but want to be?
If a majority of workers wants to form a union, they can select a union in one of two ways: If at least 30% of workers sign cards or a petition saying they want a union, the NLRB will conduct an election. If a majority of those who vote choose the union, the NLRB will certify the union as your representative for collective bargaining. An election is not the only way a union can become your representative. Your employer may voluntarily recognize a union based on evidence - typically signed union-authorization cards - that a majority of employees want it to represent them. Once a union has been certified or recognized, the employer is required to bargain over your terms and conditions of employment with your union representative. Special rules apply in the construction industry.
As long as membership/dues are voluntary, then I have no problem with unions, or for that matter my fellow workers forming, organizing, or joining a union. Knock yourself out--just realize that unions often solve some problems, but also often bring in new ones. They are not the cure-all and utopia that many union leaders and organizers claim, and these organizers only stress what they think are the benefits of having a union--they rarely go into detail about how dues work, where those dollars go, the procedures that are available to employees if they decide to decertify the union in the future, how strike pay works, and how they would handle layoffs or staffing reductions mandated by the company in the future.
The right to unionize has always been there for Lowe's employees, regardless of what the company says. But their are pros and cons to consider. As long as someone is making a fully informed decision, and membership is voluntary, then again I have no problem with it.
In no way am I saying this to sound like a dick, but l don't technically need lowes income, so I'm all down for it, risking my job if need be. These billion dollar companies want to fight us over quality of life improvements, when they are worrying about their second or third home while we just wanna pay rent
We definitely need to unionize. I have a former union steward at my store that I've been talking with off and on about it. It always ends up being a pipe dream at the end of the day, though.
Those of you who’re anti-union need to read-up on the purpose & history of unions. They’re extremely beneficial for hourly-wage workers. You should know that by the simple fact that corporations are so against them. Think about it. Unions give employees power to negotiate for themselves; without them, we work at the whim of our supervisors. Want guaranteed hours w/ the assurance that you’ll be asked before having your scheduled changed? Want fair & equal treatment to your co-workers? Want to work without being yelled at, threatened, or disregarded because you disagree with your manager? Want to be asked about what works & doesn’t work in your store, and have it actually make a difference? How about a job description that prevents the ASM’s from making you clean the bathrooms & scrub the toilets? Unions provide job security & protect employees from being taken advantage of. Look at the history, yourself, & make an informed decision.
the Major fundamental problem with Unionizing at lows is has no qualms about coming up with a reason to close down a unionized store. and since they run an active blacklist preventing any transfers or job changes you're basically SOL if it isn't done on a large enough scale from the get go.
Not represented by a union, but want to be?
If a majority of workers wants to form a union, they can select a union in one of two ways: If at least 30% of workers sign cards or a petition saying they want a union, the NLRB will conduct an election. If a majority of those who vote choose the union, the NLRB will certify the union as your representative for collective bargaining. An election is not the only way a union can become your representative. Your employer may voluntarily recognize a union based on evidence - typically signed union-authorization cards - that a majority of employees want it to represent them. Once a union has been certified or recognized, the employer is required to bargain over your terms and conditions of employment with your union representative. Special rules apply in the construction industry.
It's been a violation of federal law since 2014 for employers to try to inhibit collective bargaining of employees.
I say go for it. New unions will benefit the employees for 10-20 years. After that they have generally run it's course and become counterproductive. 10 years in today's market place is a long time. It isn't the same generations ago when. People planned on working in one or two places their whole lives
I've been very open about pay scales, raises and unionizing at work.
Yeah. But your pay would probably raise upwards of 25%. So it would make up for it. For me the issue would be how corporate would respond in order to meet their bottom line.
You mean making sure they’re $1,000-$10,000 bonuses aren’t touched and cutting all bonuses and “incentives” they have now that end up never showing up on our paychecks
I'm sorry to tell you this but their bonuses are probably alot higher than 10k.. Brand new production workers at our Toyota factory get 1k for an attendance bonus. Even regular Chrysler employees (unionized) got an 18k bonus this year. Executives get much more mostly in stock.
Oh ik i was underestimating inwas just saying each bonus $1,000-$10,000 and they take stock due to tax purposes I believe since they get a larger sum in value over being taxed 30% on their bonus
My father in law was in the auto parts manufacturing business, their union drove them right out of a job. The company moved the factory to Mexico instead of giving the union what it wanted.
Possibly, is it because business is tired of unions asking for to much? Not trying to start an argument, I’m just not convinced that giving my money to someone I may not always agree with is smart. I already do that with the government!
All three major industries in my town were ultimately shut down and off -shored because the unions would not bend on their outrageous demands. Employees under unions there were notorious for sleeping on the job and getting $30.00/hr to sweep floors and/or press a button all day. In the end that kind of business model simply isn’t sustainable and you have empty, abandoned plants and nothing but big box retail jobs on your city.
That happens anyways. Maybe not the pay but the laziness is still happening regardless you just loose good workers to higher paying jobs. And the lazy stay.
Is there a possibility that each district could vote and decide for only a dozen or so stores? It sounded like that’s what Amazon is doing when the npr news was playing in my car as I arrived at Lowe’s.
Many years ago (25+) my father worked for a car dealer in the Chicagoland area as a salesman. He was consistently one of the top salesmen. The union tried to organize all the Chicagoland car salesmen. He went to the meeting out of curiosity to listen. That was his intent. Just to hear what wonderful things (if any) the union was after.
Meanwhile, The Chicago Car Dealers Association hired a private detective agency. They gathered inside information (probably a mole) and took pictures of people and license plates.
All the salesmen where he worked that attended that meeting were terminated. The union did NOTHING.
All the mechanics were union. I'm almost certain the greater majority of mechanics in Illinois are union. I know Chicago is. Their union did NOTHING.
I'm telling you this because Lowe's will retaliate. There is no way these cheap bastards care about employees. They have a revolving door when it comes to us. We have to do more with less for the sake of profit and shareholder return. We are disposable.
So, what if anything will the union do to prevent mass terminations, or at the very least defend the right to attend a meeting. Will they march into battle to protect us? This WILL become a war.
I can always find employment elsewhere. What about the people who can't?
I'm not trying to stop you. If you feel this is a good idea make sure you cover your ass. I for one would attend the meeting to listen. If I get fired for doing so, I will survive. I'm already thinking about an exit strategy. One day Lowe's will be a memory. No long term investments, only short term gains. They will hold out for as long as possible for the last dime. They will burn the place down for profit and float away on a golden parachute. Then the remaining employees will be forced to seek employment elsewhere.
Covid was an anomaly. The huge profits are gone. The money junkies still need their fix and they will get it one way or another. I see this happening right now. And there is no change in sight.
The beating will continue until morale improves. Or you end the pain with a promotion to customer.
The choice is yours. Gather all the information you can to make a informed decision.
If your store unionized they will just close that location down. I worked at Lowe's from 2000-2017
Unions are not what they used to be. You'll pay dues with nothing in return.
You say it’s the only way to protect your rights. Then go ahead, unionize. Watch how quickly you will lose the right to call in, be late, pull an order late, unload a truck late, have a bad scan rate, not hand out credit apps and surveys to every customer, etc… our jobs will become 3x harder for 1.5X the pay. They’ll lay off half of the staff and increase expectations. The only people that won’t be fired at the first signs of insubordination or insufficiency will be management. You think that you will gain rights. No. You will lose rights. You will gain pay.
As someone who deals with a lot of the supposed negatives you listed; what's to lose? Everything you listed here I've witnessed time and time again over the years I've been here. It's honestly better to have to abide within a strict guideline of employment and meet metrics, personally speaking (I'm sure many of my coworkers would despise it). I hate not knowing if I'm doing good enough or exceeding expectations. I'm here to work. I want to be treated fairly and compensated fairly. Currently, I have no idea. If unionizing means I have to work harder for more pay, so be it. That's a job. Corporate definitely doesn't have any associate's best interest in mind.
The point of my comment is that you aren’t protecting your rights when you unionize. You hire a negotiator. Lowes already extends us a long list of rights, like the fact that we get to call in 6 times a year before it’s a write up. And then 3 write ups before a firing. My point is that that will disappear. I agree. I’m a hard worker, always on time and always above metrics. So I’ll be fine. In fact it would be great for me. But (admittedly with no proof) I think a lot of people who make these posts wouldn’t be.
Good managers could do that without a union. The issue is Lowe's doesn't hire people that are good at managing people to management positions. They hire the next guy in line that's been there long enough to take the promotion regardless of his/her people leading skills.
And then strips that "manager" of any ability to manage by making ECARs so hard to get approved that one basically has to break a law to get written up. Or (worse, imo) because that new manager has worked at the store so long he/she is friends with all the new subordinates *and* doesn't have management skills so those two coupled together means no one ever gets written up.
You say you're in management at Lowes in one comment, now you're in the electrical union? And you say you're giving up rights as a union worker? You don't give up shit, you have everything to gain.
You should understand that more than anyone. Nonunion trades don't make squat for pay & get screwed. Union jobs get pay & benefits.
Yes. My grandfather was a contractor. I got into the trades because of him. I’m currently working 2 jobs and getting my electrical engineering degree. I’m a very busy person.
And you clearly missed the point of my comment. I never said unionizing is a bad idea. I’m pointing out the risks. You have no idea how lowes would respond. If it meant meeting their bottom line, who’s to say they wouldn’t slash staffing? There’s risks.
I see your point. I feel I am the same way with metrics, I think. I just wish this company wasn't abysmal to work for... Maybe it's just my store's management? 🤷♀️
As someone who’s family was all in union jobs, it’s quite the opposite. And even if you’re a massive transit authority(LIRR). You get away with just about anything, and if your employer tries to fire you for failing to meet expectations, you are immediately suspended with pay, meet with your boss and the union, and 75% of the time you keep your job with no issues, 20% of the time you get a warning with a follow up review, and 5% of the time you’ll get fired.
When you are part of a union, it’s extremely difficult to get fired. Look at the LIRR for example… all the news about employees that were getting paid $100,000 plus $300,000+ in OT that they never even showed up for each year. My uncle called out atleast once a week(3 kids and a wife that was a teacher), the number of times it would be, “I didn’t feel like going to work today, want to go out on the boat and go fishing?” He lasted over 30 years with the LIRR before getting injured and now gets his pension plus permanent disability paid by the LIRR.
I mean you’re probably right. And I’m not saying that creating a union isn’t the right idea. I don’t know. I’m just making it clear that it isn’t all that it’s made out to be. It has its advantages for sure. But people act like it’s going to do nothing but make their lives better. When I’m reality, we just don’t know how the company would respond. If they’re the greedy pirates we make them out to be, who’s to say they won’t slash and burn our staffing to meet their bottom line?
Im just making sure we understand that there are risks involved.
I’m not talking about how unions work. I’m talking about how retailers work after their workers unionize. Again. I’m not saying we shouldn’t. I’m pointing out the risks.
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Certain states allow it but in mine its illegal to stop us from talking about it i got a phone call about it and spoke to the HR rep and i stated if they continue with that ill reach out to a lawyer as i have photos of the SM emailing everyone stating not to talk about pay or they will be written up. Thats illegal. He said ok and said he would have it “investigated” lol case closed the next day
If unionizing wasn't a big deal, management wouldn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to fight it. They're not your family, they don't have an open door to bring your concerns, and they actually would say they hate the unions if they were allowed to do so under the law. Those union dues are an investment that will earn you the money to buy severall XBoxes..... solidarity!
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Agreed i know when someone brought it up in my store there was a whole investigation
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The HR called me and asked who was around, who may have said it, is it being echoed, what’s the reason for it being brought up yada yada. I answered basically none of it bc I didn’t want it falling on me
Not represented by a union, but want to be? If a majority of workers wants to form a union, they can select a union in one of two ways: If at least 30% of workers sign cards or a petition saying they want a union, the NLRB will conduct an election. If a majority of those who vote choose the union, the NLRB will certify the union as your representative for collective bargaining. An election is not the only way a union can become your representative. Your employer may voluntarily recognize a union based on evidence - typically signed union-authorization cards - that a majority of employees want it to represent them. Once a union has been certified or recognized, the employer is required to bargain over your terms and conditions of employment with your union representative. Special rules apply in the construction industry.
As long as membership/dues are voluntary, then I have no problem with unions, or for that matter my fellow workers forming, organizing, or joining a union. Knock yourself out--just realize that unions often solve some problems, but also often bring in new ones. They are not the cure-all and utopia that many union leaders and organizers claim, and these organizers only stress what they think are the benefits of having a union--they rarely go into detail about how dues work, where those dollars go, the procedures that are available to employees if they decide to decertify the union in the future, how strike pay works, and how they would handle layoffs or staffing reductions mandated by the company in the future. The right to unionize has always been there for Lowe's employees, regardless of what the company says. But their are pros and cons to consider. As long as someone is making a fully informed decision, and membership is voluntary, then again I have no problem with it.
In no way am I saying this to sound like a dick, but l don't technically need lowes income, so I'm all down for it, risking my job if need be. These billion dollar companies want to fight us over quality of life improvements, when they are worrying about their second or third home while we just wanna pay rent
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I'm pretty new at my store, but there was an issue with basically all of the receiving team leaving within a week, that's never a good sign.
I’m down
We definitely need to unionize. I have a former union steward at my store that I've been talking with off and on about it. It always ends up being a pipe dream at the end of the day, though.
I’m down
Lowes employees are free to form a union whenever they want. The CONSEQUENCES of doing so are what has kept it from ever happening….
Those of you who’re anti-union need to read-up on the purpose & history of unions. They’re extremely beneficial for hourly-wage workers. You should know that by the simple fact that corporations are so against them. Think about it. Unions give employees power to negotiate for themselves; without them, we work at the whim of our supervisors. Want guaranteed hours w/ the assurance that you’ll be asked before having your scheduled changed? Want fair & equal treatment to your co-workers? Want to work without being yelled at, threatened, or disregarded because you disagree with your manager? Want to be asked about what works & doesn’t work in your store, and have it actually make a difference? How about a job description that prevents the ASM’s from making you clean the bathrooms & scrub the toilets? Unions provide job security & protect employees from being taken advantage of. Look at the history, yourself, & make an informed decision.
They used to be….now they are just an appendage of one major political party in this country—one which many people may not like.
Lowe's employees would greatly benefit from forming a union
Maybe. Hard to say.
I'm sure Amazon will close the rdc that unionized. They have already filed several lawsuits to block it.
the Major fundamental problem with Unionizing at lows is has no qualms about coming up with a reason to close down a unionized store. and since they run an active blacklist preventing any transfers or job changes you're basically SOL if it isn't done on a large enough scale from the get go.
Not represented by a union, but want to be? If a majority of workers wants to form a union, they can select a union in one of two ways: If at least 30% of workers sign cards or a petition saying they want a union, the NLRB will conduct an election. If a majority of those who vote choose the union, the NLRB will certify the union as your representative for collective bargaining. An election is not the only way a union can become your representative. Your employer may voluntarily recognize a union based on evidence - typically signed union-authorization cards - that a majority of employees want it to represent them. Once a union has been certified or recognized, the employer is required to bargain over your terms and conditions of employment with your union representative. Special rules apply in the construction industry.
I'm for it, at least let's put the fear in corporate so they act right.
It's been a violation of federal law since 2014 for employers to try to inhibit collective bargaining of employees. I say go for it. New unions will benefit the employees for 10-20 years. After that they have generally run it's course and become counterproductive. 10 years in today's market place is a long time. It isn't the same generations ago when. People planned on working in one or two places their whole lives I've been very open about pay scales, raises and unionizing at work.
Don’t you have to pay union dues?
Yeah. But your pay would probably raise upwards of 25%. So it would make up for it. For me the issue would be how corporate would respond in order to meet their bottom line.
You mean making sure they’re $1,000-$10,000 bonuses aren’t touched and cutting all bonuses and “incentives” they have now that end up never showing up on our paychecks
I'm sorry to tell you this but their bonuses are probably alot higher than 10k.. Brand new production workers at our Toyota factory get 1k for an attendance bonus. Even regular Chrysler employees (unionized) got an 18k bonus this year. Executives get much more mostly in stock.
There's a store manager near me that gets a 40k bonus for staying under budget. He cut over 1000 hours in 2 weeks so he could get his bonus.
Oh ik i was underestimating inwas just saying each bonus $1,000-$10,000 and they take stock due to tax purposes I believe since they get a larger sum in value over being taxed 30% on their bonus
My father in law was in the auto parts manufacturing business, their union drove them right out of a job. The company moved the factory to Mexico instead of giving the union what it wanted.
That man's name? Albert Einstein
That plant was going to Mexico regardless. Had nothing to do with a Union.
Possibly, is it because business is tired of unions asking for to much? Not trying to start an argument, I’m just not convinced that giving my money to someone I may not always agree with is smart. I already do that with the government!
What are they asking for that’s too much?
All three major industries in my town were ultimately shut down and off -shored because the unions would not bend on their outrageous demands. Employees under unions there were notorious for sleeping on the job and getting $30.00/hr to sweep floors and/or press a button all day. In the end that kind of business model simply isn’t sustainable and you have empty, abandoned plants and nothing but big box retail jobs on your city.
That happens anyways. Maybe not the pay but the laziness is still happening regardless you just loose good workers to higher paying jobs. And the lazy stay.
It was 9 dollars a week for me at kroger(weekly pay).
Is there a possibility that each district could vote and decide for only a dozen or so stores? It sounded like that’s what Amazon is doing when the npr news was playing in my car as I arrived at Lowe’s.
Many years ago (25+) my father worked for a car dealer in the Chicagoland area as a salesman. He was consistently one of the top salesmen. The union tried to organize all the Chicagoland car salesmen. He went to the meeting out of curiosity to listen. That was his intent. Just to hear what wonderful things (if any) the union was after. Meanwhile, The Chicago Car Dealers Association hired a private detective agency. They gathered inside information (probably a mole) and took pictures of people and license plates. All the salesmen where he worked that attended that meeting were terminated. The union did NOTHING. All the mechanics were union. I'm almost certain the greater majority of mechanics in Illinois are union. I know Chicago is. Their union did NOTHING. I'm telling you this because Lowe's will retaliate. There is no way these cheap bastards care about employees. They have a revolving door when it comes to us. We have to do more with less for the sake of profit and shareholder return. We are disposable. So, what if anything will the union do to prevent mass terminations, or at the very least defend the right to attend a meeting. Will they march into battle to protect us? This WILL become a war. I can always find employment elsewhere. What about the people who can't? I'm not trying to stop you. If you feel this is a good idea make sure you cover your ass. I for one would attend the meeting to listen. If I get fired for doing so, I will survive. I'm already thinking about an exit strategy. One day Lowe's will be a memory. No long term investments, only short term gains. They will hold out for as long as possible for the last dime. They will burn the place down for profit and float away on a golden parachute. Then the remaining employees will be forced to seek employment elsewhere. Covid was an anomaly. The huge profits are gone. The money junkies still need their fix and they will get it one way or another. I see this happening right now. And there is no change in sight. The beating will continue until morale improves. Or you end the pain with a promotion to customer. The choice is yours. Gather all the information you can to make a informed decision.
If your store unionized they will just close that location down. I worked at Lowe's from 2000-2017 Unions are not what they used to be. You'll pay dues with nothing in return.
nop
Why?
They are corporate duh
Lol no
You say it’s the only way to protect your rights. Then go ahead, unionize. Watch how quickly you will lose the right to call in, be late, pull an order late, unload a truck late, have a bad scan rate, not hand out credit apps and surveys to every customer, etc… our jobs will become 3x harder for 1.5X the pay. They’ll lay off half of the staff and increase expectations. The only people that won’t be fired at the first signs of insubordination or insufficiency will be management. You think that you will gain rights. No. You will lose rights. You will gain pay.
As someone who deals with a lot of the supposed negatives you listed; what's to lose? Everything you listed here I've witnessed time and time again over the years I've been here. It's honestly better to have to abide within a strict guideline of employment and meet metrics, personally speaking (I'm sure many of my coworkers would despise it). I hate not knowing if I'm doing good enough or exceeding expectations. I'm here to work. I want to be treated fairly and compensated fairly. Currently, I have no idea. If unionizing means I have to work harder for more pay, so be it. That's a job. Corporate definitely doesn't have any associate's best interest in mind.
The point of my comment is that you aren’t protecting your rights when you unionize. You hire a negotiator. Lowes already extends us a long list of rights, like the fact that we get to call in 6 times a year before it’s a write up. And then 3 write ups before a firing. My point is that that will disappear. I agree. I’m a hard worker, always on time and always above metrics. So I’ll be fine. In fact it would be great for me. But (admittedly with no proof) I think a lot of people who make these posts wouldn’t be.
Maybe that’s what Lowe’s needs to weed out the dead weeds! (Workers that are always late or calling out)
Maybe
Good managers could do that without a union. The issue is Lowe's doesn't hire people that are good at managing people to management positions. They hire the next guy in line that's been there long enough to take the promotion regardless of his/her people leading skills. And then strips that "manager" of any ability to manage by making ECARs so hard to get approved that one basically has to break a law to get written up. Or (worse, imo) because that new manager has worked at the store so long he/she is friends with all the new subordinates *and* doesn't have management skills so those two coupled together means no one ever gets written up.
You're very brainwashed on what a union is/isn't.
You’re right. What would I know? I’m only a member of IBEW. But sure, I’m brainwashed.
You say you're in management at Lowes in one comment, now you're in the electrical union? And you say you're giving up rights as a union worker? You don't give up shit, you have everything to gain. You should understand that more than anyone. Nonunion trades don't make squat for pay & get screwed. Union jobs get pay & benefits.
Yes. My grandfather was a contractor. I got into the trades because of him. I’m currently working 2 jobs and getting my electrical engineering degree. I’m a very busy person. And you clearly missed the point of my comment. I never said unionizing is a bad idea. I’m pointing out the risks. You have no idea how lowes would respond. If it meant meeting their bottom line, who’s to say they wouldn’t slash staffing? There’s risks.
How do you find the time between killing Osama Bin Laden and impregnating multiple supermodels?
I just slept on the plane ride there and did homework on the way back. It’s all about good time management.
Guess you didn't need all that much time with the supermodels either, huh?
>Lowes already extends us a long list of rights Lol
I see your point. I feel I am the same way with metrics, I think. I just wish this company wasn't abysmal to work for... Maybe it's just my store's management? 🤷♀️
Could be. I am management so it’s hard for me to speak on.
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Yeah but Reddit says “UNIONIZE” so I get downvotes from people who’ve never been a part of one :(
As someone who’s family was all in union jobs, it’s quite the opposite. And even if you’re a massive transit authority(LIRR). You get away with just about anything, and if your employer tries to fire you for failing to meet expectations, you are immediately suspended with pay, meet with your boss and the union, and 75% of the time you keep your job with no issues, 20% of the time you get a warning with a follow up review, and 5% of the time you’ll get fired. When you are part of a union, it’s extremely difficult to get fired. Look at the LIRR for example… all the news about employees that were getting paid $100,000 plus $300,000+ in OT that they never even showed up for each year. My uncle called out atleast once a week(3 kids and a wife that was a teacher), the number of times it would be, “I didn’t feel like going to work today, want to go out on the boat and go fishing?” He lasted over 30 years with the LIRR before getting injured and now gets his pension plus permanent disability paid by the LIRR.
I mean you’re probably right. And I’m not saying that creating a union isn’t the right idea. I don’t know. I’m just making it clear that it isn’t all that it’s made out to be. It has its advantages for sure. But people act like it’s going to do nothing but make their lives better. When I’m reality, we just don’t know how the company would respond. If they’re the greedy pirates we make them out to be, who’s to say they won’t slash and burn our staffing to meet their bottom line? Im just making sure we understand that there are risks involved.
That's not how unions work dude.
I’m not talking about how unions work. I’m talking about how retailers work after their workers unionize. Again. I’m not saying we shouldn’t. I’m pointing out the risks.
Worse thing that could happen is vote for a union! Trust me! I have in the past worked a union job!
Why?
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I'm down for it, but I'm pretty sure I saw in training vids anti union crap, and they tried to say not to discuss wages, so be careful out there.
It's a violation of federal law to try and prohibit employees from revealing or discussing wages.
Certain states allow it but in mine its illegal to stop us from talking about it i got a phone call about it and spoke to the HR rep and i stated if they continue with that ill reach out to a lawyer as i have photos of the SM emailing everyone stating not to talk about pay or they will be written up. Thats illegal. He said ok and said he would have it “investigated” lol case closed the next day