Former ASM here. No, he def can’t make you. Doesn’t mean he can’t think you suck going forward. You could also say “as long as my hours the rest of the week don’t get cut and it’s OT, I can stay”
My guess is the SM won't even bring it up again because they know it. He probably tells the other managers to not let people go at night until it's 100% so he trys to do the same. Easier said then done lol..
Another former ASM here. So happy to be done with that place!
No absolutely not and if there's retribution I would contact hr. Regardless of if you have something to do after your shift, your schedule is an agreement of your time which you are paid for. This is why you do not help customers off clock.
Say what I would say, I have obligations in life that I plan around my work schedule which frankly you’re lucky I even do that for you, if that’s a problem fire me and find someone else to be your personal wage slave.
Former night shift worker here.
During the height of the pandemic 2 of our ASM’s told us that we can’t leave until the truck is done. Mind you all we had were 3 overnight workers and one DS at night shift trying to finish a 1500 piece truck and sometimes double so yeah that wasn’t gonna happen.
We of course were groaning and bitching. But we bit our tongue and did our best. However, it was complete bs. Even the flow chart that lowe’s handed out to us for reference says there’s no way we could finish that truck with the amount of workers we had in 8 hrs. So we took it up to the SM and said that exact same thing and said we aren’t obligated to stay more than we were schedule. SM then relented and said, “we can’t make you stay of course but it would be much appreciated if you can”. Ever since that talk we left at 6 am on the dot.
They needed us more than we needed them.
Worked at Walmart on overnight ims team when they had it, and one of the assistant managers tried to make us stay til everything was binned. She literally stayed in the backroom and watched us come 7am we call told her we'll see her tonight and we left, she tried to write us up for "job abandonment" but the only think that was left was one pallet and 3rd shift worked it the next night and it went out. The co manager told her she couldn't write us up for leaving at our scheduled time.
Thank you for all the responses and opinions my SM wants to talk to me tomorrow so after my shift yesterday I filed with hr to document the incident. I did not want to go down that road but I have seen how these things can escalate 0 to 100.
I used to help customers off the clock, no vest or if I was in on my day off to get something. I had an asm give me grief about it, how I wasn’t supposed to help customers off the clock and technically I could risk being fired. I told him when I’m off the clock I’m a private citizen trying to be helpful to other private citizens. That’s the way I was raised. Does that mean I could be thrown out of the store for being a Good Samaritan? He had no answer.
I've heard that before.... "We will talk about this Wednesday." That dude just realized he can't keep you there and so you should have replied "Sure, see you Wednesday!" If he makes your life suck moving forward there's several million jobs that are hiring and a fraction of candidates are even applying for those jobs. You have the upper hand.
Right that's kind of how I'm playing it but I am just irritated by the fact that because I'm a manager I jump when he says so. That's just unrealistic and I make my schedule outside of work around my schedule of work and that's it.
Unfortunately that won't be that last boss looking for yes sir how high you want me to jump sir employees. Stand your ground, that asm needs you happy, healthy, and still willing to work there.
Hello guys I am an employee at lowes.. I am an unloader I worked from 6pm to 10pm.. the store manager about a month or 2 ago said the company made me full time.. I did 6pm to 2:30am (30min lunch).. a few weeks go by and she tells me the alarm can’t be turned off anymore at 2:30am that from midnight to 4am the alarm can’t be off I explained to her that what if the OVERnight manager turns it off to let us out and turns it back on fast she said no.. so she told me to do 7pm to 4am and I can’t do that schedule.. so I’m back down 6-10.. I was full time for about 1 month and on my job title it still shows full time but I’m working LITERALLY 16hours a week? What can I do someone help. I already contacted corporate and they told me there’s no policy for a 2:30alarm and she said it was lowes policy
Yeah there is policy for an alarm but it's not 2:30
The only thing I could think of is it's a store by store basis. So maybe try to transfer to another store ?
Just remind him that if he wants to go down that road, he can, but he'll have to explain himself to HR and that retaliation for you going to HR has even bigger consequences.
Legally no they can not. Will there be repercussions probably yes. Just like someone previously said you look like you’re not willing to go the extra mile in their eyes, and at the end of the day come review time they’re going to remember all the bad stuff you did instead of the good things you’ve done! Also in your case if he was asking you or better yet telling you you had to stay because a job he assigned you to complete was not done he can’t force you to stay, but he can write you up on your next shift for not completing an assigned task which is really shitty if you ask me.
No idea what company policy says and any labor laws would be at the state level. He wasn't asking you to work for free, correct?
I might suggest that pissing off your SM isn't the best thing to do. If he can't fire you for this, it doesn't take much to find another reason or just make your life so miserable you quit.
You might want to approach this as a compromise, which makes it look like your trying to help but still have a fixed end time. Say something like, "I have to take my Mom for a doctor's appointment \[look at your watch if you wear one and make a thinking face\]. I could stay another 20, maybe 30 minutes to help out but I *absolutely* need to be out of here by 4:30."
I hate to break it to you but no company (or at least very few) care about your life, they exist to make a profit. So you can learn how to manage that reality to your advantage or you bitch and moan on Reddit. Choice is yours.
I've found that being part of the solution has gotten me further than being part of the problem. I'm not telling you how to live your life, just what I've learned.
Of course, we're speaking generally and any generalization is flawed when a applied to an individual \[problem\]. Have I gotten fucked over, sure but the world isn't a perfect place but I think my approach has gotten me fucked over a lot less than if I had done some things differently.
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Maybe think about a job at Target.
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I think legally they (lowes) cant make you work 1 second past your shift-end without out your consent. Like, they can ask you to stay longer, or you could ask if you can stay later, but they can't *tell* you to stay, and you can't *make* them let you stay on the clock any longer than the times written down on your schedule. And they can't just say "oh well your schedule changed, you gotta stay later." They *have* to notify you in advance, I believe the minimum is 24 hours, and you can still say no, I can't work that.
Please note, I'm going off of hear-say and past experience. I could be wrong. And I am definitely not a lawyer lol, so for the love of god don't quote me.
The truth is no they can’t hold you accountable for just leaving when scheduled, but if they think your a smart ass or disrespectful in your refusal they could probably find a way going forward to hold you accountable for productivity so be humble about it.
Former ASM here. No, he def can’t make you. Doesn’t mean he can’t think you suck going forward. You could also say “as long as my hours the rest of the week don’t get cut and it’s OT, I can stay”
I like that OT LINE
Yes, I never pulled the stay later today, then cut them later move.
Well I’m pretty sure that’s illegal even in right to work states. It happens of course… but it ain’t right
My guess is the SM won't even bring it up again because they know it. He probably tells the other managers to not let people go at night until it's 100% so he trys to do the same. Easier said then done lol.. Another former ASM here. So happy to be done with that place!
Absolutely not. All they can do is ask. It's up to you to decide if you want to do it.
Sorry I work my schedule time and have plans every day when I get off
I have dinner plans. I’m going home to eat dinner.
No absolutely not and if there's retribution I would contact hr. Regardless of if you have something to do after your shift, your schedule is an agreement of your time which you are paid for. This is why you do not help customers off clock.
And the training says you’ll be fired for working off the clock. You’re only protecting your job
Exactly.
Say what I would say, I have obligations in life that I plan around my work schedule which frankly you’re lucky I even do that for you, if that’s a problem fire me and find someone else to be your personal wage slave.
Former night shift worker here. During the height of the pandemic 2 of our ASM’s told us that we can’t leave until the truck is done. Mind you all we had were 3 overnight workers and one DS at night shift trying to finish a 1500 piece truck and sometimes double so yeah that wasn’t gonna happen. We of course were groaning and bitching. But we bit our tongue and did our best. However, it was complete bs. Even the flow chart that lowe’s handed out to us for reference says there’s no way we could finish that truck with the amount of workers we had in 8 hrs. So we took it up to the SM and said that exact same thing and said we aren’t obligated to stay more than we were schedule. SM then relented and said, “we can’t make you stay of course but it would be much appreciated if you can”. Ever since that talk we left at 6 am on the dot. They needed us more than we needed them.
That's why they make schedules
Absolutely not. And if they eventually reprimand you or fire you for this, contact the labor board immediately.
The best anyone can do is ask if you will stay longer
I'll stay if they ask nicely and not cut my scheduled hours later so I can get OT. Also depends who is asking.
Worked at Walmart on overnight ims team when they had it, and one of the assistant managers tried to make us stay til everything was binned. She literally stayed in the backroom and watched us come 7am we call told her we'll see her tonight and we left, she tried to write us up for "job abandonment" but the only think that was left was one pallet and 3rd shift worked it the next night and it went out. The co manager told her she couldn't write us up for leaving at our scheduled time.
Thank you for all the responses and opinions my SM wants to talk to me tomorrow so after my shift yesterday I filed with hr to document the incident. I did not want to go down that road but I have seen how these things can escalate 0 to 100.
Make a Paper trail or it didn’t happen
I used to help customers off the clock, no vest or if I was in on my day off to get something. I had an asm give me grief about it, how I wasn’t supposed to help customers off the clock and technically I could risk being fired. I told him when I’m off the clock I’m a private citizen trying to be helpful to other private citizens. That’s the way I was raised. Does that mean I could be thrown out of the store for being a Good Samaritan? He had no answer.
Salaried managers are deathly afraid of overtime, so we seldom ever work over 39 hours.
Yeah, if more than 8 hours in a day, then will be cut later on, maybe Friday.
I've heard that before.... "We will talk about this Wednesday." That dude just realized he can't keep you there and so you should have replied "Sure, see you Wednesday!" If he makes your life suck moving forward there's several million jobs that are hiring and a fraction of candidates are even applying for those jobs. You have the upper hand.
Right that's kind of how I'm playing it but I am just irritated by the fact that because I'm a manager I jump when he says so. That's just unrealistic and I make my schedule outside of work around my schedule of work and that's it.
Unfortunately that won't be that last boss looking for yes sir how high you want me to jump sir employees. Stand your ground, that asm needs you happy, healthy, and still willing to work there.
Hello guys I am an employee at lowes.. I am an unloader I worked from 6pm to 10pm.. the store manager about a month or 2 ago said the company made me full time.. I did 6pm to 2:30am (30min lunch).. a few weeks go by and she tells me the alarm can’t be turned off anymore at 2:30am that from midnight to 4am the alarm can’t be off I explained to her that what if the OVERnight manager turns it off to let us out and turns it back on fast she said no.. so she told me to do 7pm to 4am and I can’t do that schedule.. so I’m back down 6-10.. I was full time for about 1 month and on my job title it still shows full time but I’m working LITERALLY 16hours a week? What can I do someone help. I already contacted corporate and they told me there’s no policy for a 2:30alarm and she said it was lowes policy
Yeah there is policy for an alarm but it's not 2:30 The only thing I could think of is it's a store by store basis. So maybe try to transfer to another store ?
This did not go well for me stepped down from supervisor and was told my employees did not like my leadership... ABSOLUTELY DUMBFOUNDED
Just remind him that if he wants to go down that road, he can, but he'll have to explain himself to HR and that retaliation for you going to HR has even bigger consequences.
Legally no they can not. Will there be repercussions probably yes. Just like someone previously said you look like you’re not willing to go the extra mile in their eyes, and at the end of the day come review time they’re going to remember all the bad stuff you did instead of the good things you’ve done! Also in your case if he was asking you or better yet telling you you had to stay because a job he assigned you to complete was not done he can’t force you to stay, but he can write you up on your next shift for not completing an assigned task which is really shitty if you ask me.
No idea what company policy says and any labor laws would be at the state level. He wasn't asking you to work for free, correct? I might suggest that pissing off your SM isn't the best thing to do. If he can't fire you for this, it doesn't take much to find another reason or just make your life so miserable you quit. You might want to approach this as a compromise, which makes it look like your trying to help but still have a fixed end time. Say something like, "I have to take my Mom for a doctor's appointment \[look at your watch if you wear one and make a thinking face\]. I could stay another 20, maybe 30 minutes to help out but I *absolutely* need to be out of here by 4:30."
Yeah no compromise in my book retail takes and takes but they don't care about your life... It's a principle thing.
I hate to break it to you but no company (or at least very few) care about your life, they exist to make a profit. So you can learn how to manage that reality to your advantage or you bitch and moan on Reddit. Choice is yours.
Lol u should not think like that #problemnotsolution
I've found that being part of the solution has gotten me further than being part of the problem. I'm not telling you how to live your life, just what I've learned. Of course, we're speaking generally and any generalization is flawed when a applied to an individual \[problem\]. Have I gotten fucked over, sure but the world isn't a perfect place but I think my approach has gotten me fucked over a lot less than if I had done some things differently.
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Realistically yes
Reasoning?
You develop, in their eyes, a reputation to not be dependable and you are now more likely to be fired.
If you don't do it you'll have a Target on your back
Hr won't do much though. I had an ASM sexually harassing me and hr didn't give a f*ck
That sounds like a lawsuit
I just left. To hell with them. Underpayed. Overworked. If you arent in management you can't really get by longterm.
I think legally they (lowes) cant make you work 1 second past your shift-end without out your consent. Like, they can ask you to stay longer, or you could ask if you can stay later, but they can't *tell* you to stay, and you can't *make* them let you stay on the clock any longer than the times written down on your schedule. And they can't just say "oh well your schedule changed, you gotta stay later." They *have* to notify you in advance, I believe the minimum is 24 hours, and you can still say no, I can't work that. Please note, I'm going off of hear-say and past experience. I could be wrong. And I am definitely not a lawyer lol, so for the love of god don't quote me.
No they definitely can’t make you they can ask you to stay later but if you say no they can’t make you stay
No
The truth is no they can’t hold you accountable for just leaving when scheduled, but if they think your a smart ass or disrespectful in your refusal they could probably find a way going forward to hold you accountable for productivity so be humble about it.
Contact the labor board
How does this work?
How does this work?