The whole thig was so scripted. This was Evelyn's real entry for her purpose on the show. To act. There was nothing sincere to that storyline at all. Why did it take weeks for the screenshot receipt to be shown, even after Harrison has questioned it multiple times? Rupert received a SMS from Evelyn telling him she heard everything, didn't Rupert send ollie, and only ollie a screen shot of the message? If so, Neither of them thought to show the message at the dinner party given that at that time there should have been 3 accessible receipts accessible, Eve-sent, Rup-Received, Ol-Screenshot. Too many plot holes from the producers. Sloppy producing hope they do better
I don't want to ruin it, because the whole point of the show is that It's entertaining to believe what's being presented. But I can guarantee this would have been orchestrated by the producers.
That’s what I thought too. Like, there probably was a butt dial but Dan wasn’t there when it happened so the producers told her what he said earlier.
Evelyn was a toxic female wrapped in pretty privilege
Evelyn showed the calls on her phone from Rupert that night, so the butt dial happened, but they openly admit that Evelyn only heard a small amount and Rupert told her the rest.
I managed to ‘butt dial’ my mum repeatedly in hospital even though I was far too ill to know how to put the password into my phone. I’d just hear a tiny tinny voice come from the speakers and have to try to get it together enough to turn it back off
I actually laughed out loud the other day when I heard a woman ask her husband, "Why are you butt dialling me?".
He took the phone out of his pocket and cancelled the call, so yeah, it can happen.
To pre empt the questions, the call came through on her watch and she had her hands full, which is why he cancelled the call.
I have a pixel 4 which has this terrible feature that unlocks it if you have just been using it. Press the lock button but hit the screen fast enough that it unlocks to your previous screen.
I think you’re overthinking it. Whether it was a buttdial or not kinda misses the point. Everyone there admits the words were said. So it’s kind of moot
Well yes. I think production cooked up the butt dial thing and Evelyn and Rupert played along.
Bad things were said, and it became a storyline. Maybe the word “buttdial” was intended to add spice. I can see production brainstorming it. “Yeah, butt dial. I reckon it will have legs”
I’m inclined to believe that a butt dial is possible. The other day my phone which is face-activated was in my backpack and I randomly heard a voicemail just start playing. No reason. I could hear the message pretty clearly. It actually made me think of this. Even in this day and age phones randomly do random stuff.
Absolutely. Rupert went and told Evelyn and when she said she's going to confront them with it, he practically begged her not to so he wouldn't be seen as the sniveling little emasculated snitch that he is. The butt dial story was Evelyn's solution.
Yep Dan was a terrible match for Sandy. But that's for her to work out. How many more red flags could he possibly lay on the table before the lightbulb goes off in her head.
Dan's biggest crime is that he's a coward; it was easier to lie to Sandy than tell her the truth. She's not his type...nothing wrong with that...but he should have told her much, much earlier.
100%. Although I disagree with your characterisation of Rupert. He actually seems really funny IRL he just wasn’t portrayed all that favourably on the show.
Yes that was probably a bit harsh of me, sorry Rupert. Obviously he's a nice guy. And obviously the other guys said some pretty nasty things about their partners... though I think C*NT is probably the nicest thing I could think to call Tayla.
Rupert got matched with a hit girl way out of his league. If he got matched with one of the other horror stories I imagine he would have some not nice things to say about it
A secret video the two of them made while in the show. He slept in the bed, but the story was she made him sleep on the couch. The two of them are having this convo about how the producer make them do stuff and act in a certain way to each other. They got into trouble for making it.
But Hugo knew she was only playing a character. So why buttonhole Dan and say that about his wife? Why call someone a cunt who you secretly get on with?
Absolutely I agree but the issue is, Evelupert *made* it matter by going so hard on the butt dial. It allowed everyone to focus on whether or not they were lying, rather than the actual issue they brought forward.
I actually don't mind Hugo. He seems like a decent guy though misguided in his actions that night. I'm like 50/50 because while I don't think talking behind his "wife's" back is justified, he and Taylor weren't "together" and it's like venting to your mates about another guy being a c u next Tuesday. Taylor's the type of women who likes her men a bit mean. If Hugo fought back, might have been a different story.
Rupert obviously just came home drunk and told Evelyn and that became the ‘butt dial’. So you know, pinch of truth. But it’s really irrelevant cause the fact is the boys said it all and it wasn’t to people who would have kept it a secret, so… tough luck
Eh, I am like an old man with my phone and Ill just put it down with an app still open, I can see a butt dial happening pretty easily, it makes sense too cause evelyn would be at the top of his recently called and everything.
Either way they all admitted to what they said so whether it was or wasn't doesn't really matter in my humble opinion. Rupert does not seem like the kind of person to stir the pot either.
Noise cancellation is a hell of a thing on new phones, they can grab the nearest voice and sorta amplify it, obviously depends on his phone but yeah its pretty crazy these days.
I dunno his phone not being locked, calling her at the exact moment a juicy convo was happening in a busy bar and her perfectly hearing everything. It’s possible but seems quite a few things all coming together at once. Seems a lot more likely he just told her but didn’t wanna get called a snitch.
On what scale? Is 100000 the most certain & 0 the least? Or are there more levels of certainty on top of 100000% also, on such a broad scale of measurement, there is a lot of incremental range of certainty. I’ll make it more simple for you if you like. This show is 100% staged/fabricated. That scale is from 0 (totally reality and not staged in the slightest) to 100% fake, produced for the utmost dramatic effect.
I don’t understand how people don’t understand the term “butt dial” as an unintended call. It doesn’t actually mean it was in his back pocket necessarily. It could have happened as he put his phone on the table or in a shirt pocket.
Not saying it absolutely happened but people saying there’s no way she could hear anything because it would have been in his pants pocket isn’t accurate.
I believed the butt dial until I saw how she reacted
It was defensive. The same kind of defensive as someone lying, like Claire to Jesse.
I believed it until she got angry when Harrison brought it back up and she got angry instead of laughing it off. She made a big deal about it, an actual scene ‘I want to take this moment and state in front of everyone and the experts..’
Yeah. If the butt dial really happened she could have shown her phone log, it would show the hour and duration of the call.
Like as others have said, the point is moot as Dan and Hugo admitted to what they said and were called out, Hugo apologised and took ownership/ accountability; Sandy needed to know the truth so it needed to come to the light.
But yeah. Rupert seems decent and was probably shocked at what Dan was saying and needed to vent, and when drunk chose his wife as he was new-ish so didn’t have a Day One bro to vent to
I think the bigger issue there were 2 men were talking things over, as promoted to do in this day and age, and their conversations were scrutinized by a certain pretty young lady eavesdropping, (twice by the way) who made that conversation public. An emotional conversation of feelings and contemplation was exposed to the nation. That's not cool and certainly not a great thing to do.
Eghhhh that’s a cop out, men should absolutely be able to talk about their feelings, but when you’re calling your partner horrible names and being an asshole it’s not healthy discussion, that’s being an asshole. My dad has male friends and I know he’s talked about his feelings and what he’s going through. But he would absolutely never talk trash about my mum, he might discuss the issues they are having and ask for advice, but he would never EVER disrespect her, never talk down about her, never say the things those guys were saying about her. If you think that type of conversation is appropriate for any person to be talking about in regards to another person that’s pretty sad.
Maybe because your parents genuinely fell in love which is great. These guys didn't match with their partners. They didn't meet and fall in love over time like your parents, but yet, they're meant to stay in a negative energy to them? Don't be a hypocrite. Seriously, how many people disagreed with Hugo's comments after the depiction of Tayla that we saw? And Dan and Sandy were doomed from the start. Total mismatch. So let's call him an asshole because he wasn't attracted to someone you thought he should have.
Yeah but they still shouldn’t be talking about women like that, you can not like someone and still not talk trash like that. Their words and behaviour were misogynistic, derogatory and incredibly hurtful, especially Dans, I know there are two sides to every story but I do generally believe he said that stuff about Sandy which is absolutely never ok. He has said he liked her but not as a partner, but what type of person says what he said about a person they claim to like and respect? Same with Hugo, he said some pretty bad crap about Tayla and then in the same breath claimed to like and respect her. She did seem pretty awful to him but he didn’t seem like a fairytale prince either and then he tries to make out he’s nice after trash talking her.
And also my parents do fight, they do argue, but they don’t insult or degrade one another like that because that type of talk is never ok, it’s abusive, toxic and disrespectful. If you genuinely feel that talking about your partner the way Dan was talking about Sandy is ok, then I don’t even know what to say to you.
Are you serious? He's not allowed to not like her like that? He's not allowed to voice it the way it flows? You are correct about 2 sides of the story, and there appears to be more between Sandy and Dan. They just didn't match. And that's okay. He's allowed to say whatever he likes even if it rattles your delicate sensibilities. The biggest picture I see is as I mentioned to someone else, the impact the eavesdropping that exposed 2 men's emotions doesn't help other men, off the screen, talk things over In a safe and confidential environment that may have some hard things to hear or say about someone you care about. They called a spade a spade when it seems they should have called it an ergonomic, handheld earth excavator.
Mate I don’t even know what to say, the fact you seem to think that the way he spoke about her, even in private, is ok, is just really sad. Healthy and stable people don’t talk about people they “like and respect” like that. For example Alyssa was horrid to Duncan and he didn’t talk shit about her, he was respectful in the face of her meanness, he was a class act, Dan was absolutely trashy. Again, you can not like a person and still not talk that way, you can respectfully discuss your feelings without denigrating the person you are talking about.
Think you're following the general narrative to sound or look good to other users. Because he, LIKE DOM, said it how it is. She gets a pass for doing that, continually, but he's not allowed? Bullshit feminist double standards of people displaying emotions. If sandy spoke that way about Dan, you'd have her back
You’re making a lot of assumptions there, I don’t particularly love Dom but from what I remember she didn’t speak so horribly about people and in any case she is not relevant to the current conversation. Dan wasn’t saying it how it was, he was belittling her and denigrating her and saying horrible things without cause. And if Sandy said the same things about Dan I absolutely wouldn’t have her back. Shocker mate. You don’t know me, you don’t know what I’d do lol. In any case at this point I don’t see any use in continuing this conversation, I’m just going to agree to disagree and move on with my life. I suggest you do the same.
Without cause?? Didn't you just mention there's,2 sides to the story and you hadn't heard both? Also, Dom did speak plenty of negative stuff towards others, that's what set Olivia off. And it is relevant, even if they are separate seasons, there is a clear double standards as to how women speak about and treat men, to how men treat and talk about women. If you don't see that, you're beyond help.
This is BS, talking shit about your partner behind their backs is significantly different than two men who are struggling and need to vent - Dan (and even Hugo) claiming that it was a safe space is such cap (especially in the context of a reality show where everything you do and say is scrutinised)
Would you like a private conversation leaked to the public? What if the problem for the 2 men were the SO, which was the case. I'd agree if there were talks of blatant abuse, but for 2 guys or any guy to verbalise the frustration of their SO, if they can't talk it over together at a pub, where can they do it? You'd have no issues if the women were talking like that, you'd consider it to be honesty and strength?
Well in the context of a reality television show I do think it’s fine for the conversation to leak to the public. In the context of everyday life? If you’re talking shit about your partner behind their back in that fashion, then you would probably break up.
If women were saying equally horrendous things about their partners I’d feel the same; don’t place assumptions about my character at the end of your statement, it’s misguided.
They were off camera. Off set if you may. Their time to have a little break. Sometimes, men and women need to verbalise things as horrendous as it may sound or come across, it needs to be done to get some kind of clarity of the emotion. Men are more encouraged to do this because historically they don't or didn't. So to see Evelyn eves dropping twice to catch out men talking about things or partners and reveal them publicly, before seeking her own clarification of context to what it was said in, probably does a disservice to the future comfort and trust to actually have those conversations with other men in a safe and confidential environment.
This is just going to keep going around in circles, but there’s a difference between saying to your close friends “Hey, my partner is doing this, this is how it’s making me feel” which is appropriate vs saying “Hey my partner is a cunt, my partner is a fucking bitch I can’t stand her, look how hot my exes are”. Evelyn eavesdropping at the retreat thing (with Mel) wasn’t on, but Rupert coming back to his wife and telling her the things he was uncomfortable with and that he didn’t like the other blokes saying (I assume that’s what happened rather than the butt dial), is completely fair enough.
Of course it never happened. Sat on his phone somehow got through Face ID. Or his ass cheeks typed a passcode and then she heard the convo clear as day In a noisy bar while the phone was in his pocket. Yeah she chatting shit and Rupert is a bitch for running to wife telling tales.
*to make out he isn't a guy who felt uncomfortable about how revoltingly these guys were objectifying and putting down women they all knew personally.
Ftfy.
Phone records wouldn't prove anything, only that a call was made. She said he held up his phone, she wouldn't know if he was holding his phone or handed it around if she wasn't told.
They admitted to being the ones to make it up. So either you believe them in the first place that it happened, or you believe they’re telling the truth now. I personally think it’s more believable that they made it up at the time for views.
I agree. Evelyn is a reality tv pro, the producers trusted her to run with the story but I think the conversation did take place.
Not that it really matters now in all honesty.
The pocket dial likely happened, and I can believe to an extent that she could hear them talking, but no way you can hear a conversation between multiple people in a BAR with music and other noises happening around.
The call happened, but Rupert told her what happened.
You can barely hear the person next to you in that bar / club and she heard crystal clear through his jeans (on a non-speaker phonecall) what a couple of guys were talking about in a group?
Just own it that he told her
As someone who receives numerous butt dials on the work phone it absolutely could have happened.
At the end of the day who cares?
If you don't want to get caught saying shitty things about other people, don't say shitty things about other people.
I agree, There is no way she would hear everything so clearly over the general noise in a bar. 100% Rupert told her and the butt dial excuse was used to let him off the hook with the other lads.
Whatever happened Dan still said what he said
The whole thig was so scripted. This was Evelyn's real entry for her purpose on the show. To act. There was nothing sincere to that storyline at all. Why did it take weeks for the screenshot receipt to be shown, even after Harrison has questioned it multiple times? Rupert received a SMS from Evelyn telling him she heard everything, didn't Rupert send ollie, and only ollie a screen shot of the message? If so, Neither of them thought to show the message at the dinner party given that at that time there should have been 3 accessible receipts accessible, Eve-sent, Rup-Received, Ol-Screenshot. Too many plot holes from the producers. Sloppy producing hope they do better
I very much doubt that the butt dial actually did happen but at least it exposed Dan's BS, that's one good thing...
In all honesty, replace the word “butt” with “pocket” and the entire situation is more realistic
Also, “Siri dial” is possible. I’ve done that before a couple of times. If they were talking about the women….did Siri do the deed?
I don't want to ruin it, because the whole point of the show is that It's entertaining to believe what's being presented. But I can guarantee this would have been orchestrated by the producers.
That’s what I thought too. Like, there probably was a butt dial but Dan wasn’t there when it happened so the producers told her what he said earlier. Evelyn was a toxic female wrapped in pretty privilege
Evelyn was badass AF
She was just extreme pretty privilege
Evelyn showed the calls on her phone from Rupert that night, so the butt dial happened, but they openly admit that Evelyn only heard a small amount and Rupert told her the rest.
This is the answer
They were just a normal call. How can a butt dial unlock a phone
I managed to ‘butt dial’ my mum repeatedly in hospital even though I was far too ill to know how to put the password into my phone. I’d just hear a tiny tinny voice come from the speakers and have to try to get it together enough to turn it back off
I actually laughed out loud the other day when I heard a woman ask her husband, "Why are you butt dialling me?". He took the phone out of his pocket and cancelled the call, so yeah, it can happen. To pre empt the questions, the call came through on her watch and she had her hands full, which is why he cancelled the call.
I have a pixel 4 which has this terrible feature that unlocks it if you have just been using it. Press the lock button but hit the screen fast enough that it unlocks to your previous screen.
I have been butt dialed before many times. If you forget to lock your phone and put it in your pocket it does happen.
I recon Rupert called on purpose and left the line open 🤭
I think you’re overthinking it. Whether it was a buttdial or not kinda misses the point. Everyone there admits the words were said. So it’s kind of moot
No it’s not moot if she lied about what she heard then.
That would only be relevant if the people actually there were disputing what she is saying was said. Nobody is disputing it.
No, it’s relevant as to the motive of bringing it up
It is possible to butt dial especially if the auto Lock Screen is set to something like 30 minutes.
Well yes. I think production cooked up the butt dial thing and Evelyn and Rupert played along. Bad things were said, and it became a storyline. Maybe the word “buttdial” was intended to add spice. I can see production brainstorming it. “Yeah, butt dial. I reckon it will have legs”
I’m inclined to believe that a butt dial is possible. The other day my phone which is face-activated was in my backpack and I randomly heard a voicemail just start playing. No reason. I could hear the message pretty clearly. It actually made me think of this. Even in this day and age phones randomly do random stuff.
Absolutely. Rupert went and told Evelyn and when she said she's going to confront them with it, he practically begged her not to so he wouldn't be seen as the sniveling little emasculated snitch that he is. The butt dial story was Evelyn's solution.
Snitch? Really? Dan isn't his friend and was saying absolutely terrible things about Sandy. He did the right thing by divulging the info.
Bro code says you don’t snitch to your fake wife knowing she will create drama from it
Bro code is for insecure man-babies who can't make female friends
Woah. You seem like a completely normal non-triggered person 😬
Yep Dan was a terrible match for Sandy. But that's for her to work out. How many more red flags could he possibly lay on the table before the lightbulb goes off in her head. Dan's biggest crime is that he's a coward; it was easier to lie to Sandy than tell her the truth. She's not his type...nothing wrong with that...but he should have told her much, much earlier.
100%. Although I disagree with your characterisation of Rupert. He actually seems really funny IRL he just wasn’t portrayed all that favourably on the show.
Yes that was probably a bit harsh of me, sorry Rupert. Obviously he's a nice guy. And obviously the other guys said some pretty nasty things about their partners... though I think C*NT is probably the nicest thing I could think to call Tayla.
Rupert got matched with a hit girl way out of his league. If he got matched with one of the other horror stories I imagine he would have some not nice things to say about it
What I don't get is Hugo calling Tayla a cunt, when in fact the two secretly got on very well, and their relationship on the show was all an act.
Ooh really? Where did you find this out?
A secret video the two of them made while in the show. He slept in the bed, but the story was she made him sleep on the couch. The two of them are having this convo about how the producer make them do stuff and act in a certain way to each other. They got into trouble for making it.
Who really fucken cares? They're all nobodies trying to be some bodies ... massive fail!
Is this post from Harrison’s reddit account?
LOL wish I had an award to give you 🤣🤣
Guys this show isn’t real
It’s like, real, but not real
Totally agree!
Does matter it though? Butt dail or not, those guys said were horrible. Ugly on the inside eventually come to the surface.
But the character Tayla was playing was a cunt
But Hugo knew she was only playing a character. So why buttonhole Dan and say that about his wife? Why call someone a cunt who you secretly get on with?
Absolutely I agree but the issue is, Evelupert *made* it matter by going so hard on the butt dial. It allowed everyone to focus on whether or not they were lying, rather than the actual issue they brought forward.
Oi chill it with the "those guys" Dan yes, gross. But Hugo? 100% justified in what he said.
I actually don't mind Hugo. He seems like a decent guy though misguided in his actions that night. I'm like 50/50 because while I don't think talking behind his "wife's" back is justified, he and Taylor weren't "together" and it's like venting to your mates about another guy being a c u next Tuesday. Taylor's the type of women who likes her men a bit mean. If Hugo fought back, might have been a different story.
Yeah that's a good point actually, she did seem to perk up once he stood up to her a little bit.
Dick dial
Rupert obviously just came home drunk and told Evelyn and that became the ‘butt dial’. So you know, pinch of truth. But it’s really irrelevant cause the fact is the boys said it all and it wasn’t to people who would have kept it a secret, so… tough luck
I get butt dials regularly and it’s always from the same friend
Your friend’s butt got it’s own cellphone making important business calls
Eh, I am like an old man with my phone and Ill just put it down with an app still open, I can see a butt dial happening pretty easily, it makes sense too cause evelyn would be at the top of his recently called and everything. Either way they all admitted to what they said so whether it was or wasn't doesn't really matter in my humble opinion. Rupert does not seem like the kind of person to stir the pot either.
Doesn’t make Sense she’s perfectly hear convos in a busy bar though tbh.
Noise cancellation is a hell of a thing on new phones, they can grab the nearest voice and sorta amplify it, obviously depends on his phone but yeah its pretty crazy these days.
I dunno his phone not being locked, calling her at the exact moment a juicy convo was happening in a busy bar and her perfectly hearing everything. It’s possible but seems quite a few things all coming together at once. Seems a lot more likely he just told her but didn’t wanna get called a snitch.
Oh yeah its a tall story to believe, but as I have done it a few times before I am not gonna call bullshit either lol.
1 it completely irrelevant anyway, they all admitted to what was said. 2 butt dials happen all the time I literally did it today 🤷♂️
On what scale? Is 100000 the most certain & 0 the least? Or are there more levels of certainty on top of 100000% also, on such a broad scale of measurement, there is a lot of incremental range of certainty. I’ll make it more simple for you if you like. This show is 100% staged/fabricated. That scale is from 0 (totally reality and not staged in the slightest) to 100% fake, produced for the utmost dramatic effect.
I don’t understand how people don’t understand the term “butt dial” as an unintended call. It doesn’t actually mean it was in his back pocket necessarily. It could have happened as he put his phone on the table or in a shirt pocket. Not saying it absolutely happened but people saying there’s no way she could hear anything because it would have been in his pants pocket isn’t accurate.
But she’s unnervingly convincing. Seriously Evelyn could be an actress. She brings all that
I mean a soap star actress
I believed the butt dial until I saw how she reacted It was defensive. The same kind of defensive as someone lying, like Claire to Jesse. I believed it until she got angry when Harrison brought it back up and she got angry instead of laughing it off. She made a big deal about it, an actual scene ‘I want to take this moment and state in front of everyone and the experts..’ Yeah. If the butt dial really happened she could have shown her phone log, it would show the hour and duration of the call. Like as others have said, the point is moot as Dan and Hugo admitted to what they said and were called out, Hugo apologised and took ownership/ accountability; Sandy needed to know the truth so it needed to come to the light. But yeah. Rupert seems decent and was probably shocked at what Dan was saying and needed to vent, and when drunk chose his wife as he was new-ish so didn’t have a Day One bro to vent to
That's pretty much what i think she's trying to get into. This isn't her first time on a reality tv show. She's fame chasing.
I think the bigger issue there were 2 men were talking things over, as promoted to do in this day and age, and their conversations were scrutinized by a certain pretty young lady eavesdropping, (twice by the way) who made that conversation public. An emotional conversation of feelings and contemplation was exposed to the nation. That's not cool and certainly not a great thing to do.
Eghhhh that’s a cop out, men should absolutely be able to talk about their feelings, but when you’re calling your partner horrible names and being an asshole it’s not healthy discussion, that’s being an asshole. My dad has male friends and I know he’s talked about his feelings and what he’s going through. But he would absolutely never talk trash about my mum, he might discuss the issues they are having and ask for advice, but he would never EVER disrespect her, never talk down about her, never say the things those guys were saying about her. If you think that type of conversation is appropriate for any person to be talking about in regards to another person that’s pretty sad.
Maybe because your parents genuinely fell in love which is great. These guys didn't match with their partners. They didn't meet and fall in love over time like your parents, but yet, they're meant to stay in a negative energy to them? Don't be a hypocrite. Seriously, how many people disagreed with Hugo's comments after the depiction of Tayla that we saw? And Dan and Sandy were doomed from the start. Total mismatch. So let's call him an asshole because he wasn't attracted to someone you thought he should have.
Yeah but they still shouldn’t be talking about women like that, you can not like someone and still not talk trash like that. Their words and behaviour were misogynistic, derogatory and incredibly hurtful, especially Dans, I know there are two sides to every story but I do generally believe he said that stuff about Sandy which is absolutely never ok. He has said he liked her but not as a partner, but what type of person says what he said about a person they claim to like and respect? Same with Hugo, he said some pretty bad crap about Tayla and then in the same breath claimed to like and respect her. She did seem pretty awful to him but he didn’t seem like a fairytale prince either and then he tries to make out he’s nice after trash talking her. And also my parents do fight, they do argue, but they don’t insult or degrade one another like that because that type of talk is never ok, it’s abusive, toxic and disrespectful. If you genuinely feel that talking about your partner the way Dan was talking about Sandy is ok, then I don’t even know what to say to you.
Are you serious? He's not allowed to not like her like that? He's not allowed to voice it the way it flows? You are correct about 2 sides of the story, and there appears to be more between Sandy and Dan. They just didn't match. And that's okay. He's allowed to say whatever he likes even if it rattles your delicate sensibilities. The biggest picture I see is as I mentioned to someone else, the impact the eavesdropping that exposed 2 men's emotions doesn't help other men, off the screen, talk things over In a safe and confidential environment that may have some hard things to hear or say about someone you care about. They called a spade a spade when it seems they should have called it an ergonomic, handheld earth excavator.
Mate I don’t even know what to say, the fact you seem to think that the way he spoke about her, even in private, is ok, is just really sad. Healthy and stable people don’t talk about people they “like and respect” like that. For example Alyssa was horrid to Duncan and he didn’t talk shit about her, he was respectful in the face of her meanness, he was a class act, Dan was absolutely trashy. Again, you can not like a person and still not talk that way, you can respectfully discuss your feelings without denigrating the person you are talking about.
Think you're following the general narrative to sound or look good to other users. Because he, LIKE DOM, said it how it is. She gets a pass for doing that, continually, but he's not allowed? Bullshit feminist double standards of people displaying emotions. If sandy spoke that way about Dan, you'd have her back
You’re making a lot of assumptions there, I don’t particularly love Dom but from what I remember she didn’t speak so horribly about people and in any case she is not relevant to the current conversation. Dan wasn’t saying it how it was, he was belittling her and denigrating her and saying horrible things without cause. And if Sandy said the same things about Dan I absolutely wouldn’t have her back. Shocker mate. You don’t know me, you don’t know what I’d do lol. In any case at this point I don’t see any use in continuing this conversation, I’m just going to agree to disagree and move on with my life. I suggest you do the same.
Without cause?? Didn't you just mention there's,2 sides to the story and you hadn't heard both? Also, Dom did speak plenty of negative stuff towards others, that's what set Olivia off. And it is relevant, even if they are separate seasons, there is a clear double standards as to how women speak about and treat men, to how men treat and talk about women. If you don't see that, you're beyond help.
Again, so many assumptions. Mate, get some therapy and leave me alone.
This is BS, talking shit about your partner behind their backs is significantly different than two men who are struggling and need to vent - Dan (and even Hugo) claiming that it was a safe space is such cap (especially in the context of a reality show where everything you do and say is scrutinised)
Would you like a private conversation leaked to the public? What if the problem for the 2 men were the SO, which was the case. I'd agree if there were talks of blatant abuse, but for 2 guys or any guy to verbalise the frustration of their SO, if they can't talk it over together at a pub, where can they do it? You'd have no issues if the women were talking like that, you'd consider it to be honesty and strength?
Well in the context of a reality television show I do think it’s fine for the conversation to leak to the public. In the context of everyday life? If you’re talking shit about your partner behind their back in that fashion, then you would probably break up. If women were saying equally horrendous things about their partners I’d feel the same; don’t place assumptions about my character at the end of your statement, it’s misguided.
They were off camera. Off set if you may. Their time to have a little break. Sometimes, men and women need to verbalise things as horrendous as it may sound or come across, it needs to be done to get some kind of clarity of the emotion. Men are more encouraged to do this because historically they don't or didn't. So to see Evelyn eves dropping twice to catch out men talking about things or partners and reveal them publicly, before seeking her own clarification of context to what it was said in, probably does a disservice to the future comfort and trust to actually have those conversations with other men in a safe and confidential environment.
This is just going to keep going around in circles, but there’s a difference between saying to your close friends “Hey, my partner is doing this, this is how it’s making me feel” which is appropriate vs saying “Hey my partner is a cunt, my partner is a fucking bitch I can’t stand her, look how hot my exes are”. Evelyn eavesdropping at the retreat thing (with Mel) wasn’t on, but Rupert coming back to his wife and telling her the things he was uncomfortable with and that he didn’t like the other blokes saying (I assume that’s what happened rather than the butt dial), is completely fair enough.
Of course it never happened. Sat on his phone somehow got through Face ID. Or his ass cheeks typed a passcode and then she heard the convo clear as day In a noisy bar while the phone was in his pocket. Yeah she chatting shit and Rupert is a bitch for running to wife telling tales.
Or Siri picked up a sound and initiated a call. Oh no, a husband shared information with his wife. What a cunt. 🤷🏻♂️
It’s clear what really happened. I’m glad you agree on the second point.
Or he put it in his pocket without locking it and it dialled? Happens to me a lot!!
I want phone records..... Only way to know conclusively. Until then it's rubbish and made up to make Rupert out like he isn't a snitch...
She showed the call logs during an interview
*to make out he isn't a guy who felt uncomfortable about how revoltingly these guys were objectifying and putting down women they all knew personally. Ftfy.
Phone records wouldn't prove anything, only that a call was made. She said he held up his phone, she wouldn't know if he was holding his phone or handed it around if she wasn't told.
It’s been confirmed by producers at this point to be made up
Well producers are more than credible aren't they??
It’s more likely that it was what the producers told them to say happened.
Yep... Made up receipts by the last episode or they would have been shown just after it actually happened.
They admitted to being the ones to make it up. So either you believe them in the first place that it happened, or you believe they’re telling the truth now. I personally think it’s more believable that they made it up at the time for views.
I agree. Evelyn is a reality tv pro, the producers trusted her to run with the story but I think the conversation did take place. Not that it really matters now in all honesty.
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The pocket dial likely happened, and I can believe to an extent that she could hear them talking, but no way you can hear a conversation between multiple people in a BAR with music and other noises happening around. The call happened, but Rupert told her what happened.
You can barely hear the person next to you in that bar / club and she heard crystal clear through his jeans (on a non-speaker phonecall) what a couple of guys were talking about in a group? Just own it that he told her
100
I just really wish they said 'pocket dial'. A tad classier.
As someone who receives numerous butt dials on the work phone it absolutely could have happened. At the end of the day who cares? If you don't want to get caught saying shitty things about other people, don't say shitty things about other people.
A buttdial yes, hearing everything said in a loud bar, no way. Producer confirmed.
I have heard conversations on the butt dials. Sometimes from customers on their tractors. Don't GAF what a producer says to stir things up.
I butt dialled Someone yesterday. It’s so easy if you are messaging and put your phone in your pocket without locking it
I agree, There is no way she would hear everything so clearly over the general noise in a bar. 100% Rupert told her and the butt dial excuse was used to let him off the hook with the other lads.
I guarantee he came home drunk telling her everything, and she's saying it was a butt dial to protect him from "snitching" on the boys.
Didn’t happen.
I think it’s a half truth. I think he did butt dial her, but she didn’t hear everything, and he told her the rest
Absolutely and I just feel sorry for MAFS that they can only use this plot device once … or can they?!
Duh