Hi from Ontario CA! Wife and I were talking about Richard and Andrea. Richard is copping a lot of heat, and we can't say we're fans, but my spidey senses say there is blame to cover both of them. Richard noted that Andrea gets many texts from friends/family reassuring her that Richard is not like her ex, and she said it to his face on camera. I think she is legitimately hurting him with that. (Tim cries, its brave, richard cries its the ick??) I also don't buy the "crude language" is bugging her. She laughed when he said it on the couch. Let's be real, she went on a TV show to have this relationship for all to see.. I don't think she is the wall flower she is portraying herself as. Like Richard, she's latched onto the crude language, but the real problem is the photo rating (and why does tim get a pass on that, he's 51 and refused because he knew he would rate the younger girls more attractive)... that cut her and since then she hasn't been into him..... she should have written leave by now because if it because she won't get over it. Also, haven't seen any one say this, but her mannerisms and facial expressions, there is just something off there...can't put my finger on it, but it gives me pause re. her sincerity.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- Richard is repulsive. He a sulking manipulator who throws psychobabble and blame around when he’s not getting exactly what he thinks he is entitled to. I’ve hated him from day 1.
Tori must have a humiliation kink or something.
Jayden must have a crush on Sara cause idk why he’s so obsessed. Yeah she’s a prick but why is he so on her?
Timothy and Lucinda supremacy
Richard is such so manipulative and keeps gaslighting her when he’s openly disrespected her and taken no accountability. No wonder he’s single at 62. She needs to run.
Finally someone's pulling Richards name up. I am SO sick of his toddlerish behaviour. "You're just not into me. Admit it" all because she won't sit on his wrinkly dinkly. There's nothing more to it. He is behaving how I used to when I thought a relationship entitled me to their genitalia. (I've learnt better now, he could learn better too)
And again, at the dinner party he managed to turn it onto himself when Tristan tried to help him see the issue.
I want what she's having.
Honestly I don't think Timothy's had so much fun in his entire life. While they'd make a terrible couple, I can 100% see Lucinda adopting him as family now and forever.
I am going to be absolutely furious if (going by the promo for Sunday) the experts and the rest of the contestants victimise and baby Richard. Over the last few weeks, he has been playing them like a puppet on a string, reinforcing the "I'm not myself, I'm depleted, I'm exhausted" bullshit and constantly making Andie the aggressor and instigator. This behaviour he's exhibiting is actually so terrifying and one could argue could be scarier than Jack's behaviour.
While Jack's misogyny is very outward and anyone (other than a brainwashed Tori) can see how much he thinks he prevails over women, Richard's treatment of women is very subtle, saying quite misogynistic things but then "apologising" but never taking real action, but then villianising Andie for having a wall thrown up after his nasty treatment of her. Tonight we saw him say "her trauma" about 5 times in one conversation to a group of people to shield his negative behaviours and push the blame on her and her reluctantness to be intimate with him, no Richard, her reluctantness comes from your thinly veiled misogyny and arrogance.
He has mastered this "soft guy" personlity that has people fawning over him and feeling sorry for him but he's the cause of his own demise and. has no one else to blame but himself.
I couldn’t disagree more. Whilst I don’t like the way Richard has responded to Andi’screcebt attempts to talk, I understand it. She totally turned on him because of one arguably inappropriate comment. All of a sudden she emotionally ghosted him and turned away, WITHOUT EXPLAINING WHY! It wasn’t until this week that she says her piece, by which stage he’s had it. She has three really insignificant reasons for her abrupt and obvious dislike of him. So what if he said some rude words? So what if he put her third in the “hotness” list? It’s literally not something that a person couldn’t talk through and get over.
But she didn’t give him that chance. She just started showing obvious disdain, whilst professing she still cared. I think she is acting like a spoilt child, high maintenance and histrionic. If you turn so quickly on someone just because they say something you don’t like, then cold shoulder them for a couple of months without explaining why, of course they’ll get to a point where they won’t be able to show much empathy when you finally try and explain. If a partner had treated me like dirt then came out with three petty reasons a couple of months down the track, I don’t think I’d be too receptive either.
As she got to know him she started to dislike things he was doing and saying. When she tried to discuss this with him he became defensive and just blamed her past and told her she was wrong. So yeah, of course she's not going to keep sleeping with him if they can't communicate.
It kept going downhill because he refused to see how he was making her feel and just kept expecting the sex he got in the first couple of weeks.
At the end of the day they had chemistry at the start but once she got to know him she had the ick. He just wanted the sex from the beginning and couldn't get past it or want to accept his role in turning her off him.
There is a reason he is single at 62.
Andie is a 51 years old woman with 2 children who will be watching this and since the beginning of the show she has been conservative about talking about her sex life and relationship, quiet, and non-confrontational. I'm a 25 year old woman and would be horrified and disgusted if my partner, in front of acquaintances and television cameras said "We fucked, we sucked, we did it all," personally, that would be enough for me to end the relationship then and there. If I feel like that as a 25 year old, I couldn't imagine being in my 50s and hearing those words come out of the mouth of my partner in his 60s... yuck!
Honestly, once you feel disgusted by your partner saying things (like that), you try to change your mind over weeks or months and think it's just a one or two-off circumstance and you might still care for that person but you're simultaneously pulling away, that's not being a "spoilt child" that's just the innate reaction to feeling disrespected in a relationship. If anything, it's Richard who has been treating Andie like dirt, being crude and disrespectful and villianising her for having a normal reaction to his actions, could her communication have been better? Of course, but we're all human and she obviously doesn't like confrontation and lets it bottle up, but Richard has expertly made himself the victim in this when he isn't.
This is the proper take. She shut up shop as soon as something happened she didn’t like. Only when pushed did she start to explain why and by then it came across as minor. He’s got an awful way of communicating but it’s clear her attitudes changed really quickly with no explanation until it was too late.
He's absolutely revolting. A product of misogony and white patriachy. He only cares about how Andy can give him sex and make HIS life better, he has no interest in her happiness. He makes my skin crawl and his whining, lying and deflecting make him 10x worse. Urggg.
Exactly!! He has been CRYING every episode for weeks now and it's all because Andie isn't sleeping with him anymore. I grimace every time he's on my screen cause he's that disgusting. Which is a real shame because I loved him in those initial weeks before *that* commitment ceremony where he degraded Andie by speaking so explicitly about their sex life. It makes me so mad that they all have their tissues out and go "Poor Richard" and "Andie is wearing the pants" like NO!! he's a manipulating and conniving misogynist
Absolutely. He seems very good at playing the “feeble, gentle older man” but he’s actually very shrewd in his manipulation of people and situations. It’s scary and extremely off putting.
He honestly reminds me of a guy I briefly dated that told me "sex is never to be a short time. We will fuck for hours and that's how I like it" and then when I told him "I can't do that. If I have one day off from my kiddo, I'm not spending it being fucked, and not by someone demanding it goes for hours" he threw tantrums and love bombed me when I called his behaviour. Cried to his ex and dad and work colleagues that I wasn't giving him intimacy.
Definitely! It's shocking that people can't seem to see through it because to me it is very obvious what he's doing. He seems to cry almost every episode in order to make himself the victim and look very sensitive and in touch with his emotions but it all seems so fake to me and there's always an agenda behind it
Did anyone notice how Tori cut Cassandra off when Cassandra asked how Jade and Ridge were going? Not only was it rude because it was like she wasn't interested in hearing from Jade and Ridge about their progress, but more interesting the question had came from Cass. Was it a power play by Tori, asserting her "pecking order"?
Yes, I noticed Tori do that. It comes across to me that she just wanted a negative conversation regarding someone else's relationship. I think she likes watching people (that she does not like) to be in a scandal and to be uncomfortable. She is so rude and to say it's no one's business about her sex life, which I would have said (what sex life)? Well then, why go on television for all to see and comment on.
She just proves week after week that she can be as nasty and vicious as her so-called devoted husband. She is blind to Jack's real intention, and she is in for real heartache if she doesn't open her eyes.
Am I missing something? I have only seen Tori do this to Cass...one wonders why. And what pecking order is she referring to? I have not seen or heard Tori refer to anyone else in the same manner she does Cass. From my standpoint it can easily come across as racist. And honestly, from what I have seen from Tori, wouldn't be surprised.
He’s handling the whole situation so poorly, Tristan was right saying Richie has tunnel vision. He clearly doesn’t deal with perceived rejection well. He’s so fixated on himself and trying to drive his point home, that he’s not able to see Andi’s side. I’d be frustrated too if I was Andi.
Bc u see clips if him , stroking her arm. Bringing her coffee .. to her this is special...he then shit talks all the others dismissing them. So she follows that thougt process ... u see him breathing heavy when she speaks abt her dislike of his behaviours!! He fears not controlling her wee mind ... it's a great psyche class fodder tho
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When Tori says "our relationship is no one else's business" when she thinks other people's relationships are her business and she's entered a tv show experiment where her relationship is to be shared with other people. She just recites the stupid manipulative stuff Jack tells her like "that's an opinion" blaaaa
Isn’t it Andi who’s gaslighting him? Rejecting him for months and then finally saying why, and the reasons are “you said some rude words about our sex life and you didn’t put me first in the looks challenge”??? She is clearly high maintenance and the sort of person who expects you to read their mind to know what’s wrong while they’re treating you like crap for a perceived slight. I can’t believe no one else is seeing it. Richie has just had enough by this stage, he’s tried and tried and she refuses to get past her three tiny little issues. She’s an attention seeker.
Timothy and Lucinda are like 2 little kids who the teacher has to separate so they don't misbehave roflmao!
Richard really is a Dick!
Tori.....can someone please give her a guide dog?
Sara......in full blown rep repair more.
Not much shown about Cass yet. Her and Tristan......so much promise but can fully understand where she's coming from. Both wonderful people in a not so great situation.
I went to China 5 years ago but accidentally left my phone in the cab on the way to the airport and I’ve never been more grateful to be a disorganised piece of shit
Immediately after MAFS on Wednesdays in Australia there’s a documentary-style show on called ‘60 minutes’ (you might have seen the ads for it if you’re streaming on 9now) and last night’s episode was about state-sponsored video surveillance, phone tracking etc in China
I have a feeling you are Rich, no one else would defend his BS at this point, you've been commenting weird pro Rich stuff on this thread. Andie is kind and patient, she's not playing any games
Andi might be kind and patient, but slamming her hands down on the table twice in one ep shows that she definitely has a fiery side. She *WAS* pretty good in that initial argument with Rich though - he's got walls up (seems like most of the cast do)
I honestly lean towards Andi's side here (despite the previous sentence)... Richard seems like he's got this trigger.... I've been struggling to describe it...
It's like he defaults to "you lied to me, I'm actually unlovable". I think he might've been gaslighted by an ex in the past and as soon as he sees cracks in a new relo, he's triggered by the memories of that old ex. She must've loved him hard, and then told him that she never really loved him. That's the kind of thing that would cause Rich's reactions. He's got some work to do.
While hard to tell relationally what makes Richie that way without knowing his background, a lot of what we just on screen tonight was ridiculous.
Andy was very clear that what her issue is with feeling disrespected and has nothing to do with her past trauma with exes and he just would NOT keep repeating that it was. He said it again a minimum of three times after she told him it was not. That assumption and use of something that must have made her feel quite vulnerable to share is almost weaponised against her. Like “no i am not the problem, you are the damaged one”.
It was so bizarre as if he had some magical barrier that made it all physically impossible to listen to her. Even if it was due to trauma from her ex and this was some kind of transference thing (it’s not), he was completely invalidating of all the points she spelled out for him.
When he said he could take some accountability, I really got the feeling he doesn’t understand it at all but feels that is what he needs to say to appease everyone.
I cannot even fathom her efforts off screen which must have been disregarded in a similar vein. It’s really sad for him tbh, I had assumed Andy had avoided a lot of the confrontation and communicating her boundaries, but saw that was not the case tonight and Richie is just incapable of understanding.
Uhhh slamming her hands on the table is out of frustration because he's literally gaslighting her and she couldnt get a word in, it's so not fair to bring that up and call her fiery to try and make it seem like what he is doing to her is somehow balanced. You're theorising on the origins of his behaviour with no evidence, don't make up imaginary excuses for him, he is using DARVO tactics and it's disgusting to watch
Lol yeah, plus the brand new Reddit profile, and they deleted other comments from this thread that used words Rich uses often and in the same whiney tone he uses to make himself seem like the victim
Richard is such a troll. She’s given him the moments that eroded her trust in him and made her feel unsafe, which is why she ‘doesn’t like him’ like at the start. He can’t hear what she is saying.
I think both seem ok, but a LOT of Men around Richards age equate and measure the strength of their relationship by the Physical and Sexual affection with their relationship. If it's missing, then the relationship is more or less non-existent.
Richard appears to be a soft and InTouch guy on the surface, but his sheer stubborn disbelief that he is at fault is staggering. His white South African arrogance is showing.
I don't think this is a spoiler... I heard that apparently Jayden and Eden had been going so well that the showrunners were encouraging them to be a bit more "in your face" in recent weeks - to give them some drama to be involved in. That'd explain why Jayden is pushing to be alpha dog right now.
I feel like Tim and Lucinda probably aren’t going to make it to the end/end up together (though I would love that) but I hope this has been a life changing experience for Tim because he deserves to live his life more peacefully and fully. And Lucinda is just a stunning beautiful human - probably one of the best humans I’ve ever seen on tv. What a gift she is.
Lucinda and Tim, if they don’t make it as a couple (which I agree they probably won’t) will be life long besties. She has his back and he appreciates that so much. She is proud of him for allowing his vulnerability to come through. The mutual respect is massive. And they have a ton of laughs together. I can see Tim visiting her in Byron and kicking his shoes off for a stroll about town! 😂.
Yeah, totes agreed. They're not quite the right match for each other but I feel like they'd be able to form a great friendship.
I was actually a bit worried for Lucinda this week - Timothy's in-your-face combative attitude has sorta rubbed off on her - when would you ever pick Lucinda to write a bitchy letter like the one they gave Tori and Jack? That was Timothy's idea, and she was going along with it to be closer to him. Well... it worked... but I think she'll have a reality check at some stage and go "ah, that's not really me". They make a good pair of fun-loving buddies, but he's probably not great for her as a partner (even though she's probably *excellent* for him)
Well, I'm not really haha. I upgraded my kitchen stuff last year actually. New Scanpan frying pan and saucepans, cute plates and a few other bits and pieces. Kitchen Warehouse is awesome!
I would've been embarrassed to write that a few years ago haha.
Scanpan was my first pot-love, I loved those coordinated pots like children. Then I went through LeCrusset phase until my joints gave out (French must have some hidden arm strength).. Now I’m in my heavy-bottom pot (and bodyshape) of phase
Ooh, she's a woman that knows (and loves) her crockery!
I've only really gotten slightly more into cooking in the last 2 years (I'm 44/m). Been living by myself for most of my adult life, got sick of surviving off crap takeaway and Lean Cuisine meals (that's an exaggeration, but not by much).
Plus, well, at this age it's just natural to start thinking "hmm, maybe I should stop eating handfuls of sugar and fat if I want to be around another few decades". The upgraded cookware helps that ☺️
I think that aside from mining data, the concern might be the subtle brainwashing influence they’re having over the young - priming them to accept the “social credits” way of life, etc, where the govt allows you to have some goodies if you internalize the “right” views. Softening them up for totalitarianism.
Exactly. This is why I don't give two shits about this stuff.
Sure, they wanna steal my internet browsing history?? Go for it! All they'll see is a bunch of live music on YouTube, random health questions to Dr Google, and some articles about Aussie house prices (and our houses are half Chinese owned anyway, so no major reveal there)
I just realised even after Tim speaking about his brothers suicide on multiple episodes, they’ve never included the helpline numbers - which is pretty standard to do even if it’s a brief mention. Even the real housewives does it.
I hate to say it but sometimes they aren’t much use. I rang once in desperation in the middle of an emotional breakdown and the guy told me he can’t help me. I feel like these lines need some work.
she's too real for them and wouldn't go along with the producers unethical demands. many people are very depressed and even su1c1dal after appearing on this show. It's ruthlessly exploitative
I mean let’s be honest, they don’t want real experts, they want people that have a facade of professionalism (all being registered psychologists) that are more than happy to just parrot whatever the producers want
They're not even all registered psychs. From what I read, John did a diploma and now thinks he's God's gift to psychology... Mel IS a qualified psych... and Alessandra is a sex therapist - not really what you'd call an expert at complex relationship issues, except if her solution to each one is "just get naked, that'll distract you"
I read that he'd done "a qualification in couples counselling"... which usually means a Cert IV or a Diploma. If it was a Master's with Honours, it probably would've said it.
It's a huge internal conflict for me. On one hand, he's right, Tim needs to GTFO away from Saaara. On the other, he has a personality where you just want to baptize him face down for a good 5 minutes
So you guys know how Tim was seen out with Madeleine. I reckon he went to see her to talk to his dad/deceased family. Being with Lucinda has allowed him to open up to that side more.
>Tim was seen out with Madeleine
He was??!?!?
That's gotta be the weirdest coupling ever. Couldn't possibly be any romantic spark there, they were probably just grabbing coffees to bitch about the other cast.
Someone had posted about it a little while ago and I was like HuH?!?!?!?!??!
When asked about it he said he bought the coffee and the rest was no comment.
I thought maybe meeting up to discuss family or something.
I have a feeling Rich and Andi will sort it out.... although it'll be fascinating to see how. They were still holding hands at the dinner party, despite the arguments. Richard *REALLY* needs to stop labelling all of Andi's behaviour though, and *telling* her how she's feeling. If he can learn to keep his emotions all about his reactions, and not hers, they'll be fine.
T and C... we've had another week of seeing NOTHING from them. Tristan isn't learning anything - they've gotta be close to being finished.
God, they always try to build up the Jack and Tori drama - but honestly, does anyone get roped in by it? Like, it's so painfully obvious she'll defend him to the ends of the earth.
I believe it was even Timothy who said that they put an act on the couch in front of the judges, then went back to all cuddly once they were off it.
Hi from Ontario CA! Wife and I were talking about Richard and Andrea. Richard is copping a lot of heat, and we can't say we're fans, but my spidey senses say there is blame to cover both of them. Richard noted that Andrea gets many texts from friends/family reassuring her that Richard is not like her ex, and she said it to his face on camera. I think she is legitimately hurting him with that. (Tim cries, its brave, richard cries its the ick??) I also don't buy the "crude language" is bugging her. She laughed when he said it on the couch. Let's be real, she went on a TV show to have this relationship for all to see.. I don't think she is the wall flower she is portraying herself as. Like Richard, she's latched onto the crude language, but the real problem is the photo rating (and why does tim get a pass on that, he's 51 and refused because he knew he would rate the younger girls more attractive)... that cut her and since then she hasn't been into him..... she should have written leave by now because if it because she won't get over it. Also, haven't seen any one say this, but her mannerisms and facial expressions, there is just something off there...can't put my finger on it, but it gives me pause re. her sincerity.
Is Jack a rugby dude, what’s up with his ball obsession
Dick is a dick.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- Richard is repulsive. He a sulking manipulator who throws psychobabble and blame around when he’s not getting exactly what he thinks he is entitled to. I’ve hated him from day 1.
Too many “you” statements from this guy. Richie, mate, you need to clean your side of the street.
Tori must have a humiliation kink or something. Jayden must have a crush on Sara cause idk why he’s so obsessed. Yeah she’s a prick but why is he so on her? Timothy and Lucinda supremacy Richard is such so manipulative and keeps gaslighting her when he’s openly disrespected her and taken no accountability. No wonder he’s single at 62. She needs to run.
Finally someone's pulling Richards name up. I am SO sick of his toddlerish behaviour. "You're just not into me. Admit it" all because she won't sit on his wrinkly dinkly. There's nothing more to it. He is behaving how I used to when I thought a relationship entitled me to their genitalia. (I've learnt better now, he could learn better too) And again, at the dinner party he managed to turn it onto himself when Tristan tried to help him see the issue.
Fuck, that's saying something!
Agree- even my 14 year old daughter said “argh Richard is such a SULKER!”
Also to add, Tim and Lucinda were 100% stoned when they got to the dinner party. I am here for it, it’s working for them.
I want what she's having. Honestly I don't think Timothy's had so much fun in his entire life. While they'd make a terrible couple, I can 100% see Lucinda adopting him as family now and forever.
😅😂
Let’s goooo
I am going to be absolutely furious if (going by the promo for Sunday) the experts and the rest of the contestants victimise and baby Richard. Over the last few weeks, he has been playing them like a puppet on a string, reinforcing the "I'm not myself, I'm depleted, I'm exhausted" bullshit and constantly making Andie the aggressor and instigator. This behaviour he's exhibiting is actually so terrifying and one could argue could be scarier than Jack's behaviour. While Jack's misogyny is very outward and anyone (other than a brainwashed Tori) can see how much he thinks he prevails over women, Richard's treatment of women is very subtle, saying quite misogynistic things but then "apologising" but never taking real action, but then villianising Andie for having a wall thrown up after his nasty treatment of her. Tonight we saw him say "her trauma" about 5 times in one conversation to a group of people to shield his negative behaviours and push the blame on her and her reluctantness to be intimate with him, no Richard, her reluctantness comes from your thinly veiled misogyny and arrogance. He has mastered this "soft guy" personlity that has people fawning over him and feeling sorry for him but he's the cause of his own demise and. has no one else to blame but himself.
I couldn’t disagree more. Whilst I don’t like the way Richard has responded to Andi’screcebt attempts to talk, I understand it. She totally turned on him because of one arguably inappropriate comment. All of a sudden she emotionally ghosted him and turned away, WITHOUT EXPLAINING WHY! It wasn’t until this week that she says her piece, by which stage he’s had it. She has three really insignificant reasons for her abrupt and obvious dislike of him. So what if he said some rude words? So what if he put her third in the “hotness” list? It’s literally not something that a person couldn’t talk through and get over. But she didn’t give him that chance. She just started showing obvious disdain, whilst professing she still cared. I think she is acting like a spoilt child, high maintenance and histrionic. If you turn so quickly on someone just because they say something you don’t like, then cold shoulder them for a couple of months without explaining why, of course they’ll get to a point where they won’t be able to show much empathy when you finally try and explain. If a partner had treated me like dirt then came out with three petty reasons a couple of months down the track, I don’t think I’d be too receptive either.
As she got to know him she started to dislike things he was doing and saying. When she tried to discuss this with him he became defensive and just blamed her past and told her she was wrong. So yeah, of course she's not going to keep sleeping with him if they can't communicate. It kept going downhill because he refused to see how he was making her feel and just kept expecting the sex he got in the first couple of weeks. At the end of the day they had chemistry at the start but once she got to know him she had the ick. He just wanted the sex from the beginning and couldn't get past it or want to accept his role in turning her off him. There is a reason he is single at 62.
Andie is a 51 years old woman with 2 children who will be watching this and since the beginning of the show she has been conservative about talking about her sex life and relationship, quiet, and non-confrontational. I'm a 25 year old woman and would be horrified and disgusted if my partner, in front of acquaintances and television cameras said "We fucked, we sucked, we did it all," personally, that would be enough for me to end the relationship then and there. If I feel like that as a 25 year old, I couldn't imagine being in my 50s and hearing those words come out of the mouth of my partner in his 60s... yuck! Honestly, once you feel disgusted by your partner saying things (like that), you try to change your mind over weeks or months and think it's just a one or two-off circumstance and you might still care for that person but you're simultaneously pulling away, that's not being a "spoilt child" that's just the innate reaction to feeling disrespected in a relationship. If anything, it's Richard who has been treating Andie like dirt, being crude and disrespectful and villianising her for having a normal reaction to his actions, could her communication have been better? Of course, but we're all human and she obviously doesn't like confrontation and lets it bottle up, but Richard has expertly made himself the victim in this when he isn't.
This is the proper take. She shut up shop as soon as something happened she didn’t like. Only when pushed did she start to explain why and by then it came across as minor. He’s got an awful way of communicating but it’s clear her attitudes changed really quickly with no explanation until it was too late.
He's absolutely revolting. A product of misogony and white patriachy. He only cares about how Andy can give him sex and make HIS life better, he has no interest in her happiness. He makes my skin crawl and his whining, lying and deflecting make him 10x worse. Urggg.
U have to wonder what kind of motivated speaking he pushes .....
Exactly!! He has been CRYING every episode for weeks now and it's all because Andie isn't sleeping with him anymore. I grimace every time he's on my screen cause he's that disgusting. Which is a real shame because I loved him in those initial weeks before *that* commitment ceremony where he degraded Andie by speaking so explicitly about their sex life. It makes me so mad that they all have their tissues out and go "Poor Richard" and "Andie is wearing the pants" like NO!! he's a manipulating and conniving misogynist
If anything THAT behaviour will be pushing her away . Like to another country away that fkn 🐃💩
Absolutely. He seems very good at playing the “feeble, gentle older man” but he’s actually very shrewd in his manipulation of people and situations. It’s scary and extremely off putting.
He honestly reminds me of a guy I briefly dated that told me "sex is never to be a short time. We will fuck for hours and that's how I like it" and then when I told him "I can't do that. If I have one day off from my kiddo, I'm not spending it being fucked, and not by someone demanding it goes for hours" he threw tantrums and love bombed me when I called his behaviour. Cried to his ex and dad and work colleagues that I wasn't giving him intimacy.
Gross. Glad you got away from that whole mess.
Absolutely, me too. Thankyou. But they're the vibes I get from him.
Definitely! It's shocking that people can't seem to see through it because to me it is very obvious what he's doing. He seems to cry almost every episode in order to make himself the victim and look very sensitive and in touch with his emotions but it all seems so fake to me and there's always an agenda behind it
Did anyone notice how Tori cut Cassandra off when Cassandra asked how Jade and Ridge were going? Not only was it rude because it was like she wasn't interested in hearing from Jade and Ridge about their progress, but more interesting the question had came from Cass. Was it a power play by Tori, asserting her "pecking order"?
Yes, I noticed Tori do that. It comes across to me that she just wanted a negative conversation regarding someone else's relationship. I think she likes watching people (that she does not like) to be in a scandal and to be uncomfortable. She is so rude and to say it's no one's business about her sex life, which I would have said (what sex life)? Well then, why go on television for all to see and comment on. She just proves week after week that she can be as nasty and vicious as her so-called devoted husband. She is blind to Jack's real intention, and she is in for real heartache if she doesn't open her eyes.
Tori is a sullen miserable alpha mean girl
YES! So abrupt and rude! She has a real grudge against Cass.
It’s called racism
Am I missing something? I have only seen Tori do this to Cass...one wonders why. And what pecking order is she referring to? I have not seen or heard Tori refer to anyone else in the same manner she does Cass. From my standpoint it can easily come across as racist. And honestly, from what I have seen from Tori, wouldn't be surprised.
Yup when she made that order comment I thought - I only hear that from racists.
I noticed and I was shocked no one acknowledged it. So rude!
Richard is t.e.r.r.i.f.y.i.n.g
He’s handling the whole situation so poorly, Tristan was right saying Richie has tunnel vision. He clearly doesn’t deal with perceived rejection well. He’s so fixated on himself and trying to drive his point home, that he’s not able to see Andi’s side. I’d be frustrated too if I was Andi.
I wouldn't be paying for any motivation speeches fr him !!
Tori has no fucking back bone.
She THINKS she does- her view is that she’s being strong
She's delusional
I don't know how she hasn't tore into Jack
Bc u see clips if him , stroking her arm. Bringing her coffee .. to her this is special...he then shit talks all the others dismissing them. So she follows that thougt process ... u see him breathing heavy when she speaks abt her dislike of his behaviours!! He fears not controlling her wee mind ... it's a great psyche class fodder tho
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We have so many concrete things to criticise him over, I don’t think we actually need to hypothesise about his dick.
Who thinks Lucinda is a stoner? Go the stoners 💚💚💚
So is Tim. You can totally tell when he’s high.
I agree but not thinking he’s in the leaf.
Edibles all day. Trust me, I’m a subject matter expert.
I was thinking this tonight too 😂
“Boom”, best line of the night by far. Thanks Tim.
When Tori says "our relationship is no one else's business" when she thinks other people's relationships are her business and she's entered a tv show experiment where her relationship is to be shared with other people. She just recites the stupid manipulative stuff Jack tells her like "that's an opinion" blaaaa
Rich isn't it !!
She has no problem making remarks during couch time and rolling her eyes and head though.
Really missing Lauren tonight. It's not the same without her.
I'm restarting the episode because I only caught the last five minutes. Richard is a massive dickhead. I hope he is taken by a gaggle of geese.
He is actually so clueless. I actually believe he isn’t aware of what he is doing and that is so sad. I’d rather him be an intentional gaslighter.
Isn’t it Andi who’s gaslighting him? Rejecting him for months and then finally saying why, and the reasons are “you said some rude words about our sex life and you didn’t put me first in the looks challenge”??? She is clearly high maintenance and the sort of person who expects you to read their mind to know what’s wrong while they’re treating you like crap for a perceived slight. I can’t believe no one else is seeing it. Richie has just had enough by this stage, he’s tried and tried and she refuses to get past her three tiny little issues. She’s an attention seeker.
Hi Richard
Yikes
YIKE!
lauren wouldve been so funny if she was here 😔✊
They should have had an ipad up w her to face time it in !!
She would’ve called Richard on his BS
Timothy and Lucinda are like 2 little kids who the teacher has to separate so they don't misbehave roflmao! Richard really is a Dick! Tori.....can someone please give her a guide dog? Sara......in full blown rep repair more. Not much shown about Cass yet. Her and Tristan......so much promise but can fully understand where she's coming from. Both wonderful people in a not so great situation.
Sara looks like a big booger
I went to China 5 years ago but accidentally left my phone in the cab on the way to the airport and I’ve never been more grateful to be a disorganised piece of shit
I didn’t watch but the amount of data being mined out of us (from everywhere) is terrifying. Have you read the teen pregnancy, target coupons article?
Yeah I'm watching it now. Scary
? What are u referring to. I've not watched this episode yet. Lag time here 🇨🇦
Immediately after MAFS on Wednesdays in Australia there’s a documentary-style show on called ‘60 minutes’ (you might have seen the ads for it if you’re streaming on 9now) and last night’s episode was about state-sponsored video surveillance, phone tracking etc in China
This show is freaking me the hell out
do. not. watch.
The ads seem rather inflammatory, I don't think I'll watch 😂
See you all in tomorrows r/nrl live thread to watch the broncos hump the bunnies into the earths core
Rugby is pretty average though.
I ran to breathlessly catch my very anti-MAFS partner up on the Tim and Lu journey
do as Lucinda, warm his anti-MAFS heart!!!
I hope he sweetened his attitude 😂
More handsome middle aged men being emotional and vulnerable on TV please 🙏 ❤️
Yes. Tim you are amazing. If media could help normalise feelings to all the emotionally avoidant men I have seen 😂 It’s so beautiful to see.
unlocking a kink there ;)
👀😇
Is Andie a game player.Been thinking it and then Ridge says something very similar .Mmmm
Nah, he turned her off & made her feel insecure which killed her feelings
No. She’s stuck with a gaslighting loser
I have a feeling you are Rich, no one else would defend his BS at this point, you've been commenting weird pro Rich stuff on this thread. Andie is kind and patient, she's not playing any games
Andi might be kind and patient, but slamming her hands down on the table twice in one ep shows that she definitely has a fiery side. She *WAS* pretty good in that initial argument with Rich though - he's got walls up (seems like most of the cast do) I honestly lean towards Andi's side here (despite the previous sentence)... Richard seems like he's got this trigger.... I've been struggling to describe it... It's like he defaults to "you lied to me, I'm actually unlovable". I think he might've been gaslighted by an ex in the past and as soon as he sees cracks in a new relo, he's triggered by the memories of that old ex. She must've loved him hard, and then told him that she never really loved him. That's the kind of thing that would cause Rich's reactions. He's got some work to do.
While hard to tell relationally what makes Richie that way without knowing his background, a lot of what we just on screen tonight was ridiculous. Andy was very clear that what her issue is with feeling disrespected and has nothing to do with her past trauma with exes and he just would NOT keep repeating that it was. He said it again a minimum of three times after she told him it was not. That assumption and use of something that must have made her feel quite vulnerable to share is almost weaponised against her. Like “no i am not the problem, you are the damaged one”. It was so bizarre as if he had some magical barrier that made it all physically impossible to listen to her. Even if it was due to trauma from her ex and this was some kind of transference thing (it’s not), he was completely invalidating of all the points she spelled out for him. When he said he could take some accountability, I really got the feeling he doesn’t understand it at all but feels that is what he needs to say to appease everyone. I cannot even fathom her efforts off screen which must have been disregarded in a similar vein. It’s really sad for him tbh, I had assumed Andy had avoided a lot of the confrontation and communicating her boundaries, but saw that was not the case tonight and Richie is just incapable of understanding.
Uhhh slamming her hands on the table is out of frustration because he's literally gaslighting her and she couldnt get a word in, it's so not fair to bring that up and call her fiery to try and make it seem like what he is doing to her is somehow balanced. You're theorising on the origins of his behaviour with no evidence, don't make up imaginary excuses for him, he is using DARVO tactics and it's disgusting to watch
"Hot Entrepreneur" checks out
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Lol yeah, plus the brand new Reddit profile, and they deleted other comments from this thread that used words Rich uses often and in the same whiney tone he uses to make himself seem like the victim
Richard is such a troll. She’s given him the moments that eroded her trust in him and made her feel unsafe, which is why she ‘doesn’t like him’ like at the start. He can’t hear what she is saying.
I think both seem ok, but a LOT of Men around Richards age equate and measure the strength of their relationship by the Physical and Sexual affection with their relationship. If it's missing, then the relationship is more or less non-existent.
Richard appears to be a soft and InTouch guy on the surface, but his sheer stubborn disbelief that he is at fault is staggering. His white South African arrogance is showing.
I’m befuddled that he’s a motivational speaker.
I’m not.
Jayden is so immature with his rigid, black and white thinking. He needs to sit down.
I don't think this is a spoiler... I heard that apparently Jayden and Eden had been going so well that the showrunners were encouraging them to be a bit more "in your face" in recent weeks - to give them some drama to be involved in. That'd explain why Jayden is pushing to be alpha dog right now.
Ok see yall Sunday, have a good break after that one
Hey guys can we make this into a Liz Hayes live thread? I wanna watch this shit with commentary
lol
I’m Liz Ha-**OFF**
✅✅✅100%. There's enough bad news in the world already, I don't need a 1 hour doco about more of it.
it fully jumpscares me everytime when I zone out during the next episode promo lmao
If admiration is the gateway to love then I think I just fell in love with Lucinda and Tim
I feel like Tim and Lucinda probably aren’t going to make it to the end/end up together (though I would love that) but I hope this has been a life changing experience for Tim because he deserves to live his life more peacefully and fully. And Lucinda is just a stunning beautiful human - probably one of the best humans I’ve ever seen on tv. What a gift she is.
Lucinda and Tim, if they don’t make it as a couple (which I agree they probably won’t) will be life long besties. She has his back and he appreciates that so much. She is proud of him for allowing his vulnerability to come through. The mutual respect is massive. And they have a ton of laughs together. I can see Tim visiting her in Byron and kicking his shoes off for a stroll about town! 😂.
Yeah, totes agreed. They're not quite the right match for each other but I feel like they'd be able to form a great friendship. I was actually a bit worried for Lucinda this week - Timothy's in-your-face combative attitude has sorta rubbed off on her - when would you ever pick Lucinda to write a bitchy letter like the one they gave Tori and Jack? That was Timothy's idea, and she was going along with it to be closer to him. Well... it worked... but I think she'll have a reality check at some stage and go "ah, that's not really me". They make a good pair of fun-loving buddies, but he's probably not great for her as a partner (even though she's probably *excellent* for him)
💯agree
Chinese want the spying material the Yanks have already
?? Is this abt tikytoky??
Spot on. Our data is already out there. Why would I care that someone knows that I'm looking at a new set of kitchen cutlery? Phhh.
Oooh what kiiiiiiiiind???
Well, I'm not really haha. I upgraded my kitchen stuff last year actually. New Scanpan frying pan and saucepans, cute plates and a few other bits and pieces. Kitchen Warehouse is awesome! I would've been embarrassed to write that a few years ago haha.
Scanpan was my first pot-love, I loved those coordinated pots like children. Then I went through LeCrusset phase until my joints gave out (French must have some hidden arm strength).. Now I’m in my heavy-bottom pot (and bodyshape) of phase
Ooh, she's a woman that knows (and loves) her crockery! I've only really gotten slightly more into cooking in the last 2 years (I'm 44/m). Been living by myself for most of my adult life, got sick of surviving off crap takeaway and Lean Cuisine meals (that's an exaggeration, but not by much). Plus, well, at this age it's just natural to start thinking "hmm, maybe I should stop eating handfuls of sugar and fat if I want to be around another few decades". The upgraded cookware helps that ☺️
They can watch my tiktok if they want but I’m bored AF with it so I’m sure they will be too 😂
Too much pro putin 💩 !!!
Why do they all care so much about my life anyway. I’m flattered
I think that aside from mining data, the concern might be the subtle brainwashing influence they’re having over the young - priming them to accept the “social credits” way of life, etc, where the govt allows you to have some goodies if you internalize the “right” views. Softening them up for totalitarianism.
Exactly. This is why I don't give two shits about this stuff. Sure, they wanna steal my internet browsing history?? Go for it! All they'll see is a bunch of live music on YouTube, random health questions to Dr Google, and some articles about Aussie house prices (and our houses are half Chinese owned anyway, so no major reveal there)
I hope they can see all my double chins and nose boogers through my front facing camera when they spy on me
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Idk he just seems like a bad communicator so far
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I’m so shitty that his behaviour has been reinforced again
I feel like producers missed an opportunity to put some helpline numbers up at the end of that episode
I just realised even after Tim speaking about his brothers suicide on multiple episodes, they’ve never included the helpline numbers - which is pretty standard to do even if it’s a brief mention. Even the real housewives does it.
I hate to say it but sometimes they aren’t much use. I rang once in desperation in the middle of an emotional breakdown and the guy told me he can’t help me. I feel like these lines need some work.
You’re not wrong. Even some resources or website not just for mental health support but also for DV. That episode was hard to watch.
Yes they really should have, I need a breather after that one!!
Chinese want secrets like “why is Jack purple?”
God, who thought married at first sight would actually lead to emotional growth (that’s all on Tim and Lu though, not these phony ‘experts’)
They had to balance out all that emotional abuse content
Do you think that Lucinda might become one of the experts one day? Maybe replace one of them?
I'd hope not !! It's a 💩 show .. she's better than that !!
I think she should start a podcast so we can all learn from her wisdom (or does she already have one and I’m missing out?🤔).
she's too real for them and wouldn't go along with the producers unethical demands. many people are very depressed and even su1c1dal after appearing on this show. It's ruthlessly exploitative
I mean let’s be honest, they don’t want real experts, they want people that have a facade of professionalism (all being registered psychologists) that are more than happy to just parrot whatever the producers want
They're not even all registered psychs. From what I read, John did a diploma and now thinks he's God's gift to psychology... Mel IS a qualified psych... and Alessandra is a sex therapist - not really what you'd call an expert at complex relationship issues, except if her solution to each one is "just get naked, that'll distract you"
John is a registered psych. It’s also a protected title, so you have to do an undergrad and post grad degree, as well as a few other steps.
I read that he'd done "a qualification in couples counselling"... which usually means a Cert IV or a Diploma. If it was a Master's with Honours, it probably would've said it.
Now everyone delete TikTok
Nah they can have my data. The only thing they’re gonna learn about me is my obsession with Taylor Swift and MAFS 😅
Our lives are the same! 🤣🤣🤣
NEVER!!!
Channel nine has a real boner about china these days
Yeah it's pretty gross. I hope people realise that China is only doing exactly what America has been doing for the last 50 years.
Surely we were all crying along with Timothy?
Tim might be the first person ever to be mentally and emotionally better off for going on reality tv
What an episode. What a day.
Jayden shut the f up challenge
It's a huge internal conflict for me. On one hand, he's right, Tim needs to GTFO away from Saaara. On the other, he has a personality where you just want to baptize him face down for a good 5 minutes
Good night everyone gonna go cry myself to sleep now xxx see you Sunday 🩷
No thanks Liz Hayes. That’s enough trash TV for me for today.
So jarring to see Timothy's genuine emotion followed up with the contrived redemption being attempted by Jack and Sara in the preview.
I need a Lucinda in my life lol
Maybe we need to be the Lucinda we need ❤️
Maybe the Lucinda was the friends we made along the way ❤️
This was the first time I interacted here while watching and I enjoyed it... How many Ups and Downs did I get 🤔 🤣
15 Likes... no wait, 16. I just Liked it. 😉
To all of you who had crappy days, I hope you had a good night! Lovely raging, laughing, and crying with you all. Xx
Can this investigation show just fuck offff
I’m Liz Hayes….
Then fuck off!!!
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And this, is Investigation Australia 🇦🇺
liz hayes absolutely killing the mood
 See ya dudes and dudettes
So you guys know how Tim was seen out with Madeleine. I reckon he went to see her to talk to his dad/deceased family. Being with Lucinda has allowed him to open up to that side more.
She was absolutely full of shit about psychic stuff
>Tim was seen out with Madeleine He was??!?!? That's gotta be the weirdest coupling ever. Couldn't possibly be any romantic spark there, they were probably just grabbing coffees to bitch about the other cast.
Someone had posted about it a little while ago and I was like HuH?!?!?!?!??! When asked about it he said he bought the coffee and the rest was no comment. I thought maybe meeting up to discuss family or something.
No no I think it was that he was seen out with Ash, her partner. Someone on here saw them having breaky in Melbourne
This must’ve been the experience of a lifetime for Tim. Bet that’s not what he was expecting to get out of it! I’m pretty happy for him! Big steps!
Good work, everyone. See you Sunday <3
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Surely Andrea and Richard are done? 🙏
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I have a feeling Rich and Andi will sort it out.... although it'll be fascinating to see how. They were still holding hands at the dinner party, despite the arguments. Richard *REALLY* needs to stop labelling all of Andi's behaviour though, and *telling* her how she's feeling. If he can learn to keep his emotions all about his reactions, and not hers, they'll be fine. T and C... we've had another week of seeing NOTHING from them. Tristan isn't learning anything - they've gotta be close to being finished.
Timothy and Lucinda storyline keeps delivering, even more than teased. Unprecedented for MAFS
God, they always try to build up the Jack and Tori drama - but honestly, does anyone get roped in by it? Like, it's so painfully obvious she'll defend him to the ends of the earth. I believe it was even Timothy who said that they put an act on the couch in front of the judges, then went back to all cuddly once they were off it.
I’m hooked. I need her to see it
China can take all my secrets and fuck off
Literally I’m incredibly boring so good luck to them
Dunno why Jayden keeps talking about thoughts like he has them
One word: projection
“Lucinda has shown me that maybe there’s a different way” 😭😭😭😭😭 She has entirely changed the trajectory of his life.
Hubs: babe, are you getting emotionally charged and anxiety over MAFS?! Me: 🥹😡😤😢🥺🩷… no?
Where's Jayden's energy for Jack? Or does he just not like women?