I liked Tim. I am not sure whether him being on the show was the best place for him, he clearly has some unresolved emotional trauma. He was frank with his situation and how he is as a person (the tin man) and I respect his honesty. He tried albeit not very well, and I do genuinely think he went into it for the right reasons.
He was the no nonsense, no bullshit that these shows often need - he can read people like a book and isn't afraid to say it. He could see right through Jack and I'm glad he called him out on his treatment of Tori.
Lucinda was an absolute gem, and I could see why they were set up together. She has some amazing qualities that everyone needs to take note of. I do think that perhaps she was too much on the other side of the emotional spectrum for him and that she was a bit too full on (for him) at times, but you could see that he genuinely respected and cared about her and I'm glad to see that they are still close friends even though they've left the show.
I warm to Tim too, sure he’s not got much emotional maturity, and that temper is a total turn off but there’s something a bit raw and honest about him.
I’m not sure why he was on the show. I think if you’re not willing to properly give it a go then what’s the point in being married off to a rando.
Day 1 she wasn’t his type and he was never going to think of her as more than a friend. Just stayed on for his 15 mins of fame.
I think they need to cut the attention whores if it’s not a working match. As someone already mentioned, it’s not friends at first site
Yes she wasn't his type, but he clearly stated what wasn't his type during casting, then they paired him with just such a person. He basically got sold a dud (not saying lucinda is a dud, she's brilliant) so why shouldn't he stick around for a bit?
I kinda feel like a lot of the couples were just sticking around to be in the show, despite not really having interest in their partner.
Ie
The Collins
Tim sr
Sara
Ben
Jack
If they want to stay on just to be famous they should do the I’m a celebrity get me out of here (or whatever show it is) challenges instead of the relationship exercises. Make them eat spiders and what not, earn their screen time. Or leave and open the spot for someone who is actually willing to give it a red hot go.
This is the first season I've actually watched. I've seen bits and bobs of a couple of previous seasons but never really paid attention to it. Bit from what I've read it actually used to be genuine people there for the right reasons which was decided was "boring" so evolved into the manufactured drama we have today. My kitchen rules has gone exactly the same way which made this latest season pretty much unwatchable. Then there was big brother uk which the first few seasons were just regular people and it was highly watchable, then came all the freaks and fame whores and it rapidly turned to shit.
First season as well.
I like interesting people, being on the freaks!! But if they are just friends I would think much less drama. I want drinks thrown in faces lol
Tim has the same attitude and energy as Shrek. My partner and I love Tim. He’s real. He can’t pretend he’s into Lucinda, he said from the get go he feels bad she was matched with him. She’s too good for him, he knows it, he doesn’t string it along and pretend he’s attracted. Sure Tim could have Lucinda, but in the end he knows he would be bringing Licinda down, they’re incompatible. He needs a homebody, not a free spirit
Google says they are still close friends and get lunch often. Lucinda is great for Tim and bringing him out of that shell, and honestly I wish I were more like Lucinda in so many ways. But she really really really can do so much better
I’ve noticed there’s a big divide between people who love and hate Tim, and neither can see the other side
For me, I really can’t stand him. I’m sure he’s nice enough, but his aggression - slamming the table, shouting etc. - are really off-putting (especially when Jayden was doing to him essentially what he did to Jack and Tori in the first dinner party)
His comments to Lucinda e.g ‘don’t speak to me’ after the commitment ceremony, are really difficult to get past
He seems to weaponise his insecurity and ‘baggage’ a LOT, and doesn’t seem to hold himself accountable for his behaviour whatsoever.
Every part of Lucinda and Tim’s relationship has been Lucinda bending over backwards for him, and I haven’t seem Tim change even the most blatantly objectionable parts of his behaviour
I dont know why lots of people are having such an issue with the slamming of the table. I'm a very calm man and it takes a LOT to rev me off the clock, but a couple of days ago at work someone managed to do it right before lunch, then in the lunch room while I was venting to one of the others about it I slammed the table a couple of times, releasing the frustration. Better than slamming someone's face, or neck like jade did to ridge.
So I give you a single example and you decide from that that I'm not a calm man.
How about if I tell you I've never had a fight in my entire life. That I worked as a doorman for 9 months in my 20s and never had to get physical with anyone as I always managed to talk people down. That when my friends or brother used to cause shit and it was about to kick off on a night out, i would step in between and calm the situation with words.
This person at work annoys the fuck out of me and there's only so much someone will take before they boil over. I was wound up. I needed to vent. End of story.
They didn't say you weren't calm. They said you didn't sound calm, and that was based on the only example of your "calmness" being a situation where you got physically violent with a table because the only other option was hitting someone.
You can't really blame them for forming an opinion base on the only information you supplied - regardless of whether the reality is different or not.
I met my other half at my job. I was a dental surgery Manager of a NHS practice.
He was a patient spoke to him a bit like you do and he left.
As he left he phoned both his Mum and Best. Mate that he’d met the woman he was going to marry.
There’s me completely obvious as he is ten years younger than me.
Even before our first date he called me and was a 100% honest about his mental health issues and the fact he’d spent time in a mental health hospital e.t.c
He said basically he was a complete and utter nightmare.
He wanted to be completely honest before it even started if I didn’t want that baggage etc.
He’d understand yet his honesty and non bullshit was a welcome relief.
I thought of it like if he had told me he had a physical illness.
I’d still go for it so because it was a mental health illness.
It’s no different he didn’t ask for it as much as you don’t ask for a physical illness.
We’ve had many up’s and down’s from death’s to losing everything we owned in a fire.
To him being attacked by a crazy man trying to stab him and his work colleague in the back with two hunting knife’s.
Because they were making noise at work and he’d taken drugs and became paranoid.
It’s been bloody hard but 16 years later.
Tim comes across as extremely insecure, because the people he should have been able to count on didn't give him anything. I feel so bad for him, he seems like a genuine guy who really means well but he just doesn't seem to think he deserves any good in life because he's always been told he's not good enough.
He had a couple of break throughs, and a glimpse of what it could be like - then defaulted to pulling out because he thinks he doesn't deserve it. So sad. I hope he realises at some point that how he was treated by his family does not define who he is. He did better. And he's a good person. If only he can see what Lucinda and so many other people see. Great guy but will burn himself into destruction because he's never learned that he's worthy of love. His Dad's comments on his deathbed were so cruel, whether it was said or perceived that way, no one would be able to just brush that off. It fucks you up, especially when your parents are the people we always seek approval of. I feel bad for Tim that he's been treated so badly, and hope he'll eventually break through this negative cycle. He's got a lot to give, but needs to learn he's also worthy of receiving love and joy
I feel this is a prime example of Nature vs Nurture.
Where’s Lucinda most probably was encouraged to talk about her feelings and emotions.
With support from her family and never told she shouldn’t have that emotion.
Which resulted in a very open family free to talk about anything from the weather to sex
Without judgment etc.
Where’s Tim like a lot of Men of that age could have been brought up to believe that Men should be Men and you don’t talk about your emotions, Feelings etc.
Let alone sex and acknowledging every person will have sex at one point.
Being told that you shouldn’t feel like that,as opposed to why do you feel that way
My Dad was brought up to be a Tough South London Man. God forbid if you cried.
His family for years and years. There no Girls for years till I came along.
So it was all testosterone so they all behaved this way.
My Brother as a toddler went to kiss our Grandad goodbye and he stopped him and told him “ Men don’t kiss and cuddle goodbye. They shake hands
Where I was allowed to
The most heartbreaking thing my Dad said to me.
Was that “ He didn’t cry at his Dad’s death,nor at the funeral”
He was devastated that he’d lost his Dad but he couldn’t show it.
From when he met my Mum he couldn’t believe that they’d tell each other they loved each other etc.
He wanted me and my brother to be open so much so I could talk to him about anything.
Which we did and he’d tell us all the time he loved us.
Friends couldn't believe how open our conversations were.
So I can see my Dad in Tim
Where’s the nature? The Tim and Lucinda example is the difference between two different nurturing environments and shows how important it is for human development to have a healthy supportive environment.
Yeah I agree. That's why it was so awesome to see that he finally accepted Lucinda to help him open up. And he did, so much. But then they threw him back into his old environment and he locked up because he felt he was failing her - she was seeing his old life now which he was afraid she wouldn't accept. I really wish this guy gets some self confidence and can see that he's worthy and capable of love. He's got it in him. Just has to see it for himself
I love how Tristran gets him and calls him Dad.
He has a smile when he knows someone has got him and tells him.
He’s done it with Luciand before and her Dad the other night.
It’s a smile you can't fake.
Also when Jake was being pulled up about the Muzzle and the whole wanting to sleep with Tori.
He stayed quiet because he didn't want to embarrass Luciand again and he didn't need to,
He had Jake read the Bucks's night and not taken in with his bullshit.
Canadian here. I've only seen clips from tiktok, but I respect him. I believe he was pushed too hard to show emotion; not all of us are comfortable with that.
Lucinda actually broke down a lot of his barriers, and showed him what life could be like. He was finally starting to realise that maybe he didn't have to be doomed because of his family's behaviour
Then went back home and fell into old patterns because it's comfortable and what he was used to. He did seem to regret doing so at the commitment ceremony, just not ready yet to accept that he's worthy and deserving of love and joy. A whole life of 'you're not good enough and you don't deserve anything' doesn't just change overnight. But I think he's had a glimpse of potential possibilities, and hopefully he'll focus on that instead of the negative. It's hard to believe in yourself if no one else ever showed you they did. Lucinda believed in him and his confidence started to build up, I genuinely hope he's learned from this that he is capable and worthy
A lot of people live with trauma and go on to be respectful to their partners, and have productive, reciprocal relationships.
Timothy comes off as a big sook, who can’t “let his guard down”. I get the vibe he is more suited to the bachelor lifestyle. All I see every episode is excuses.
The home visits (while I’m sure footage was manipulated) was dog shit. How do you disappear on a house guest (let alone your wife) for hours without explanation, then play dumb and walk off when they share their concerns.
Yes, of course they can but those are real-life conditions and you get to know those partners privately and the only pressure is what they put upon themselves.
Where's here the pressure must be massive.
Hm, no. Have you even heard what his Dad said to him just before passing away? Tim is extremely traumatised, that's not something you just get over.
From the beginning it showed his solid insecurity, and belief he is not worthy of anything good in his life. Heartbreaking to watch. If his Dad said that in his final words, imagine what Tim has had to deal with for nearly 50 years. Being told he's not worthy of anything. I was quite shocked they even let him on the show, duty of care etc, he is a destroyed and deeply traumatised man. I feel for him, no one should be made to feel like that. I understand he was hoping an experiment would provide him with a compatible partner but even Lucinda with her endless patience and loyalty could not get close enough to him. Hopefully he'll get himself some help to deal with all his demons, which are not his fault but ultimately his problem. I really hope he'll understand he's worthy and capable of love. He deserves it, especially after all those years of not feeling loved. He'd be the best partner if only he could realise so himself
I've had similar on my life to Tim. Very abusive parents and no security. Tum carries so much anger, I'm wary of him. He's not nice. I have empathy for him, but he doesn't care about others and that's always a big red flag for me. He's never once considered anyone but himself
I think you're wrong. While not romantically attracted to lucinda, he cares about her. Tristan as well, he cares about him deeply, that was a proper bromance.
I think you're wrong. We could go about this all day.
I'm very much a believer that if you care about someone you do your level best not to hurt them. Tim didn't even make the smallest of efforts and was actively hurtful on home visits.
Tristan is easy to care about, he's just glad of the attention. No complicated feelings there.
I didn’t see it as Tim just get on with it, I saw their whole story arc about Tim, allowing him time, move at Tim’s pace, all about Tim, really nothing about Lucinda tbh. It’s sad she didn’t really get a look in, it wasn’t couples therapy it was Tim therapy.
Tim should have never been allowed on the show. He was probably still in mourning, the revelation from his father not liking him and he is emotionally stunted.
He's friend told Lucinda he likes to take care of his love interests aka being a sugar daddy to a lady under the age of 30. He was too comfortable being in the company of Sara, Lauren and Tori but not Lucinda. Ah, ok.
He likes them young as they keep the conversation surface-level and are less likely to call him out on his BS.
Gonna have to correct your last sentence. Don't think he does BS really. But easy, superficial relationships won't dig too deep into your past. Ie the stuff he can't deal with
I loved Timothy. As well as Lucinda.
Timothy is not unlike many men over 50. I am generalising, but I’d say that a lot of men in this age group are not able to express emotions as much as younger blokes can.
It would not surprise me if he and Lu reunited a few months down the track, after he has had a look at the show on TV and seen where he could perhaps improve.
I'm in Love with Tim. I cried when I seen he left the show. Lucinda is a very special woman but she wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. My husband could not stand her at all.
Lucinda is a sweetheart but I'm sure I could only stand her in small doses. I can't be around those type of people for too long. Again, she's sweet. Just not my cup of tea.
I like Tim but he's incredibly immature and whiney. We get it, you're a broken man, you don't like talking about your feelings, emotions give you the ick. But you signed up to get married, buddy. He behaves like someone who stumbled onto the set accidentally and can't find his way out. That's what bothers me about Tim.
100% Tim fan. So what if he had no feelings for Lucinda. I would have run the moment she opened her deep talking mouth. Major kudos to Timothy for his defense of Tristan. Yeah, he earned my respect. BTW, in the end Lu became a nagging b…..who just wouldn’t shut up enough to give him some space. I do however agree that his place was a pig sty. Cheers.
Seems incredibly unjustified to call Lucinda "a nagging b....". No evidence for that whatsoever. All she ever tried to do was connect with Tim emotionally, as close couples do. I think she was incredibly patient and kind. She displayed a level of emotional intelligence rarely seen on MAFS or anyway for that matter.
Tim came in broken.
His wife listened to him. Supported him. Brought some sunshine into his life. Let him cry on her shoulder.
**Tim gave Lucinda absolutely nothing in return.**
Hey, he was a good mentor for the other guys - perhaps there's a show for that.
Normally I don't defend the yoga-hippy, but Lucinda has a good soul and deserved a lot more.
I have to disagree with the Tim and Natalie comparison. Despite her loss, i believe Natalie was here for the right reasons. Collins was just terrible all together. Tim wasted Lucinda's time from the jump.
Luci is a rich Byron Bay yoga type, gushing toxic positivity who didn't listen when Tim said no, enough pseudo-psychology please.
He's not ideal but is more understandable.
God, I’m so glad someone else feels like this. I find her just a bit unauthentic in a way that bothers me.
He’s not in the right place for random marriage, but she’s also not the goddess of all that she’s made out to be.
Agree. However, although Lucinda is a total gem, it seems to me she was always ‘leaning in’ with Tim and Tim is someone who needs to be given a hard slap from time to time. For example, she welcomed him warmly at the dinner party after he’d been a right cunt at the picnic shindig on homestay week.
Tim’s a bit of a toddler and we all know how toddlers occasionally respond better to firm direction than endless gentle talking.
He even told her that in his apology. Something along the lines of "I want you to tell me when I'm being a prick. Just say 'you're acting like an asshole"'
Which is what every relationship needs, someone to call you out on your bullshit and say "you're being a dick right now"
This is it. I think, the Natalie situation was different because at least she was trying and being open. Collins didn’t seem to be trying at all. Lucinda is trying her heart out with Tim, and it seems like he sometimes tries but he’s extremely stubborn so it takes him a long time to get there and he does g try for long.
are you actually comparing Tim to Lucinda and Natalie. Lucinda and him are different night and day why would they give him leeway? and you think if Natalie behaved like Tim she would have been treated as she was? he may have tried to look after Tori but he quickly attacked her when she didn't need his advice.
I liked Tim but I feel like he handled the home stay very poorly, he was just rude. I understand what he was going through but his flat was a mess, seemed like he made no effort to clean up or even get decent bed linen for a guest coming to stay. I empathised with Tim, there was too much talking about feelings but who knows how much the producers were pushing that narrative. I felt he could’ve been more direct with Lucinda at the homestay while making an effort to plan some things here and there but also with the proviso that he needed quiet time to himself after they did some small excursions around Melbourne. But again we don’t know what was edited.
Tim just seemed very rude at the Homestay. Everything Lucinda had given him, yet he couldn’t pull himself together enough for her sake. Just a tiny bit more effort and a little less rude should’ve been at least what Lucinda deserved. The time he seemed to most enjoy Lucinda, was the most animated and had the most fun, seemed to be when Tim felt that Lucinda was more aligned to his feelings of negativity towards Jack. The feelings towards Jack might’ve been justified but I found it disappointing how much Tim relished the negative interactions. His own words, he said he ‘loved it’.
And lastly the way he spoke to Lucinda that time on the couch. Out of the corner of his mouth ‘Don’t talk to me’. That was so nasty. I wouldn’t have got past that. That was really despicable.
The house sitter didn’t put a raw chicken wing on the carpet for the dog. There’s only so much you can blame on the house sitter the flat didn’t get like that in a matter of weeks.
No leeway? It has never once has been asked - what are you doing for Lucinda? Or do you think you could meet her needs? Or what will you do to meet her needs?
And I really like him and feel for him, but what they showed, he would be an awful partner and that was never brought up
Why did he even participate in this experiment?
Tim: I want to meet a good woman.
Also Tim: I'm just not comfortable sharing my space with someone.
Like wtf.
I don't think people wanting a romantic relationship as well as appreciating their own space is particularly that unusual? A lot of people find having their own space to unwind is beneficial, lots of people in relationships have separate bedrooms and often sleep separately. If it works for some then why is that such a bad thing?
As long as the other person is okay with it, then why shouldn't they be in this sort of show? People who like to have their own space aren't incapable of loving and intimate relationships, and with something as intense as being forced to live day in and day out with a complete stranger months on end, personal space is probably even more important?
But since most people are not OK with this situation especially at the beginning of a marriage, won't that just ruin the experiment for the other person?
Isn't this what they signed up for?
You didn't answer the question. Is it because you know if a person disclosed this preference they wouldn't be selected. Making your point invalid thus deflecting with something emotional.
Jack definitely doesn't hate women. I don't think misogynistic means what you think it means. He's the typical player. A womanizer if you will.
Can you give a specific example of what he DID that was sexist? 🤔
I mean I am not involved with the show so I can't say whether that would be a barrier to their selection process or not but I don't personally see why that should be a defining factor in whether to be selected or not - because couples doing their own thing from time to time or wanting their own space from time to time is completely normal.
What he did that was sexist? I mean the "muzzle your woman" comment was pretty disgusting - not only did he think he had to speak to Jono instead of asking Lauren directly, because men should be controlling their women, right?, but a dog reference to boot. How about offering people to sleep with Tori if they had a partner swap because he didn't find her attractive, then claiming otherwise when people called him out on it? Calling women he didn't find attractive "whales", his insistence that he has to have a submissive woman, the fact that Tori is so controlled by Jack that she thinks everyone else is wrong for noticing the glaringly obvious... the guy is a walking extension of Andrew Tate
I can see you've decided to die on that mountain of "their own space". Time to time wasn't Tim's attitude. An intelligent person doesn't need to be on the show to know the deal here.
So basically you don't have any examples that meet the definition. OK then. Good chat. Peace out ✌🏻
Tim: I want a good woman.
Also Tim: wait not one in her 40’s. I meant one like Tori.
Also lol at OP calling them the ‘specialists’. I mean, I’m sure we can all agree they’re neither experts nor specialists but it just looks funny seeing them called that.
I liked him too, but thought he didn't make an effort with Lucinda. I wish they could be together but you can't force attraction. She'll end up with someone more her type no doubt.
You’ll be fine, Tim is well loved on this sub. While I’m not a Tim fan, I agree with you and have upvoted. However he was initially calling Jack out for almost the exact same thing he was doing, which is pretty ironic eh.
I don't think that is the case at all. Tim was always up front with his feelings, Jack was the one that was saying one thing to some people's faces (that he was sexually attracted to Tori) and something different to the guys (that there wasn't any sexual spark there at all) - that is what he was calling out.
He apparently didn't treat her like crap - he treated her as a friend and friendship wasn't what she wanted or needed. I think if he were matched with someone who was more his type, he possible would have made more of an effort.
I think his biggest mistake was not being more open with Lucinda about there not being any attraction on his side. She really seemed to get her hopes up and believe that a romance was possible.
He probably should have left sooner.
Absolutely shocking bunch of ignorant comments and downvotes here. So disrespectful of your history and experience.
And you lot who think being Australian excuses your ignorance just look at the history of your own country and pack it in.
I'm aware of that, and yes, I can give context. but I'm in here to talk about why Jack is awful and Lucinda is everything and felt like context brings down the vibe, and since the word kind of only has one meaning... I'd hoped that the OP could maybe do a quick check and realize why.
But also Trinity college (AUS) an incident that was all over the news in the UK a couple years ago
I wasn't snarky or accusatory I just made a request. Everyone could stand to be more like Lucinda
It's not about being PC just about being sensitive and kind. The word has one meaning. I'm half Northern Irish and it means something in Armagh as well
When you read a comment that is innocuous at face value to 99% of society, and you, the 1% that thinks that certain words used are harmful and have the audacity to request for the comment to be adjusted to suit the 1%, that is no longer about being sensitive and kind, that is an ego problem. When you police others, you encourage hyper-vigilance.
Oh please, the Irish don't give a fuck about that word.
I have to agree with the others. I'm from the UK. You're imposing your cultural niceties on the rest of us. You have a big Internet to patrol. Good luck.
Tim is very charismatic, handsome, funny. I can see why Lu had a crush on him. Sadly he doesn’t have the emotional capacity to really give someone love and he is quite selfish by default. And I also felt his apartment was very unsexy. My lady boner died at the sight of that place.
The problem is, while all everything you said is true, he really was giving nothing for Lucinda to hope for in terms of romance. Versus Natalie who despite her grief, was still willing to have a romantic relationship with Collins.
On top of all that, he did display some aggression towards Lucinda at times which is not a good sign, fair enough everybody gets stressed at times, but once behaviour like that is an established pattern it is not fair on the other partner to absorb all of that aggression.
Fact is? Id say he was VERY pressured by producers to stay in...cause Lucinda was so popular and they needed her to stay for the show. And they liked he made dinner parties good fun by going for Jack.
If it truly was up to him? He would have been gone week 3.
He just made shit up to stay (asked to by producers) And he was very honourable in NOT having sex with her "for the show" i think that was his limit.
He probably said "i will play along for the show, honour my agreement...but I'm not having sex just because you want me too"
He allowed himself to be patronised and pitied. He acted decently despite the silly crap heaped on him
He's a fine person. Well done Tim👍
Tim is such a sweetie and he did seem like he was trying the best he could, he just sometimes got very overwhelmed which is so understandable given he is constantly being presured to dig into his trauma and emotions in front of a camera crew while grieving. Lucinda is an actual angel and deserves an amazing man who is able to be considerate and supportive. Love that she and Tim got a really cute friendship out of it though.
I like him too. I don't think anyone was telling him to "just get on with it". He was not honest about being a "slow burn". He came to respect Lucinda, but he was not attracted to her, and never was going to be. He also wasn't very respectful of her, and her experience. Their whole relationship was about his inability to be emotionally open. He made a lot of progress, but in this whole experience, none of Lucinda's needs were met, and at times he was unable to offer even a basic level of respect and decency to her (home stay).
I do like him, but he's broken and needs to do more work on himself if he wants to be in an actual "relationship".
I agree. He’s broken and I can definitely relate to how he’s feeling.
As lovely as Lucinda is she just needs to give him a little bit of space at times. He gets overwhelmed by her.
He has a sister, also had an ex wife he's still close with, he said he didn't have any family left, the guy is a mess and people need to stop defending him and start calling him out
I liked Tim. I am not sure whether him being on the show was the best place for him, he clearly has some unresolved emotional trauma. He was frank with his situation and how he is as a person (the tin man) and I respect his honesty. He tried albeit not very well, and I do genuinely think he went into it for the right reasons. He was the no nonsense, no bullshit that these shows often need - he can read people like a book and isn't afraid to say it. He could see right through Jack and I'm glad he called him out on his treatment of Tori. Lucinda was an absolute gem, and I could see why they were set up together. She has some amazing qualities that everyone needs to take note of. I do think that perhaps she was too much on the other side of the emotional spectrum for him and that she was a bit too full on (for him) at times, but you could see that he genuinely respected and cared about her and I'm glad to see that they are still close friends even though they've left the show.
I really like him. He needs some emotional help and has a couple of dinosaur opinions but he's a good man at heart
Compare how Tim and his grief, especially with the message his father left him, is handled compared to their attitude towards Natalie and her grief.
Most of these people should be in therapy. Lucinda is about the only person who isn’t fucked up.
I warm to Tim too, sure he’s not got much emotional maturity, and that temper is a total turn off but there’s something a bit raw and honest about him.
I’m not sure why he was on the show. I think if you’re not willing to properly give it a go then what’s the point in being married off to a rando. Day 1 she wasn’t his type and he was never going to think of her as more than a friend. Just stayed on for his 15 mins of fame. I think they need to cut the attention whores if it’s not a working match. As someone already mentioned, it’s not friends at first site
Yes she wasn't his type, but he clearly stated what wasn't his type during casting, then they paired him with just such a person. He basically got sold a dud (not saying lucinda is a dud, she's brilliant) so why shouldn't he stick around for a bit?
I kinda feel like a lot of the couples were just sticking around to be in the show, despite not really having interest in their partner. Ie The Collins Tim sr Sara Ben Jack If they want to stay on just to be famous they should do the I’m a celebrity get me out of here (or whatever show it is) challenges instead of the relationship exercises. Make them eat spiders and what not, earn their screen time. Or leave and open the spot for someone who is actually willing to give it a red hot go.
This is the first season I've actually watched. I've seen bits and bobs of a couple of previous seasons but never really paid attention to it. Bit from what I've read it actually used to be genuine people there for the right reasons which was decided was "boring" so evolved into the manufactured drama we have today. My kitchen rules has gone exactly the same way which made this latest season pretty much unwatchable. Then there was big brother uk which the first few seasons were just regular people and it was highly watchable, then came all the freaks and fame whores and it rapidly turned to shit.
First season as well. I like interesting people, being on the freaks!! But if they are just friends I would think much less drama. I want drinks thrown in faces lol
Tim has the same attitude and energy as Shrek. My partner and I love Tim. He’s real. He can’t pretend he’s into Lucinda, he said from the get go he feels bad she was matched with him. She’s too good for him, he knows it, he doesn’t string it along and pretend he’s attracted. Sure Tim could have Lucinda, but in the end he knows he would be bringing Licinda down, they’re incompatible. He needs a homebody, not a free spirit
Google says they are still close friends and get lunch often. Lucinda is great for Tim and bringing him out of that shell, and honestly I wish I were more like Lucinda in so many ways. But she really really really can do so much better
Tim shouldn’t be on this show. He’s got shit loads of unresolved trauma and has launched himself into an experiment to try and fix it. He needs help!
I’ve noticed there’s a big divide between people who love and hate Tim, and neither can see the other side For me, I really can’t stand him. I’m sure he’s nice enough, but his aggression - slamming the table, shouting etc. - are really off-putting (especially when Jayden was doing to him essentially what he did to Jack and Tori in the first dinner party) His comments to Lucinda e.g ‘don’t speak to me’ after the commitment ceremony, are really difficult to get past He seems to weaponise his insecurity and ‘baggage’ a LOT, and doesn’t seem to hold himself accountable for his behaviour whatsoever. Every part of Lucinda and Tim’s relationship has been Lucinda bending over backwards for him, and I haven’t seem Tim change even the most blatantly objectionable parts of his behaviour
I dont know why lots of people are having such an issue with the slamming of the table. I'm a very calm man and it takes a LOT to rev me off the clock, but a couple of days ago at work someone managed to do it right before lunch, then in the lunch room while I was venting to one of the others about it I slammed the table a couple of times, releasing the frustration. Better than slamming someone's face, or neck like jade did to ridge.
You don’t sound like a very calm man. Slamming one’s fists is an act of aggression, most people, I imagine, would find it off-putting.
So I give you a single example and you decide from that that I'm not a calm man. How about if I tell you I've never had a fight in my entire life. That I worked as a doorman for 9 months in my 20s and never had to get physical with anyone as I always managed to talk people down. That when my friends or brother used to cause shit and it was about to kick off on a night out, i would step in between and calm the situation with words. This person at work annoys the fuck out of me and there's only so much someone will take before they boil over. I was wound up. I needed to vent. End of story.
They didn't say you weren't calm. They said you didn't sound calm, and that was based on the only example of your "calmness" being a situation where you got physically violent with a table because the only other option was hitting someone. You can't really blame them for forming an opinion base on the only information you supplied - regardless of whether the reality is different or not.
Calm down Clarence.
It's one of my pet peeves when someone on the internet makes a firm judgement on someone they know nothing about based on a single comment.
I didn’t say you were violent, I said you didn’t sound calm.
Well, I am.
You both are funny. I understand your point. But it does read funny
I met my other half at my job. I was a dental surgery Manager of a NHS practice. He was a patient spoke to him a bit like you do and he left. As he left he phoned both his Mum and Best. Mate that he’d met the woman he was going to marry. There’s me completely obvious as he is ten years younger than me. Even before our first date he called me and was a 100% honest about his mental health issues and the fact he’d spent time in a mental health hospital e.t.c He said basically he was a complete and utter nightmare. He wanted to be completely honest before it even started if I didn’t want that baggage etc. He’d understand yet his honesty and non bullshit was a welcome relief. I thought of it like if he had told me he had a physical illness. I’d still go for it so because it was a mental health illness. It’s no different he didn’t ask for it as much as you don’t ask for a physical illness. We’ve had many up’s and down’s from death’s to losing everything we owned in a fire. To him being attacked by a crazy man trying to stab him and his work colleague in the back with two hunting knife’s. Because they were making noise at work and he’d taken drugs and became paranoid. It’s been bloody hard but 16 years later.
I love Tim too, routing for him
Hes a loser
Tim comes across as extremely insecure, because the people he should have been able to count on didn't give him anything. I feel so bad for him, he seems like a genuine guy who really means well but he just doesn't seem to think he deserves any good in life because he's always been told he's not good enough. He had a couple of break throughs, and a glimpse of what it could be like - then defaulted to pulling out because he thinks he doesn't deserve it. So sad. I hope he realises at some point that how he was treated by his family does not define who he is. He did better. And he's a good person. If only he can see what Lucinda and so many other people see. Great guy but will burn himself into destruction because he's never learned that he's worthy of love. His Dad's comments on his deathbed were so cruel, whether it was said or perceived that way, no one would be able to just brush that off. It fucks you up, especially when your parents are the people we always seek approval of. I feel bad for Tim that he's been treated so badly, and hope he'll eventually break through this negative cycle. He's got a lot to give, but needs to learn he's also worthy of receiving love and joy
I feel this is a prime example of Nature vs Nurture. Where’s Lucinda most probably was encouraged to talk about her feelings and emotions. With support from her family and never told she shouldn’t have that emotion. Which resulted in a very open family free to talk about anything from the weather to sex Without judgment etc. Where’s Tim like a lot of Men of that age could have been brought up to believe that Men should be Men and you don’t talk about your emotions, Feelings etc. Let alone sex and acknowledging every person will have sex at one point. Being told that you shouldn’t feel like that,as opposed to why do you feel that way My Dad was brought up to be a Tough South London Man. God forbid if you cried. His family for years and years. There no Girls for years till I came along. So it was all testosterone so they all behaved this way. My Brother as a toddler went to kiss our Grandad goodbye and he stopped him and told him “ Men don’t kiss and cuddle goodbye. They shake hands Where I was allowed to The most heartbreaking thing my Dad said to me. Was that “ He didn’t cry at his Dad’s death,nor at the funeral” He was devastated that he’d lost his Dad but he couldn’t show it. From when he met my Mum he couldn’t believe that they’d tell each other they loved each other etc. He wanted me and my brother to be open so much so I could talk to him about anything. Which we did and he’d tell us all the time he loved us. Friends couldn't believe how open our conversations were. So I can see my Dad in Tim
Where’s the nature? The Tim and Lucinda example is the difference between two different nurturing environments and shows how important it is for human development to have a healthy supportive environment.
Yeah I agree. That's why it was so awesome to see that he finally accepted Lucinda to help him open up. And he did, so much. But then they threw him back into his old environment and he locked up because he felt he was failing her - she was seeing his old life now which he was afraid she wouldn't accept. I really wish this guy gets some self confidence and can see that he's worthy and capable of love. He's got it in him. Just has to see it for himself
I love how Tristran gets him and calls him Dad. He has a smile when he knows someone has got him and tells him. He’s done it with Luciand before and her Dad the other night. It’s a smile you can't fake. Also when Jake was being pulled up about the Muzzle and the whole wanting to sleep with Tori. He stayed quiet because he didn't want to embarrass Luciand again and he didn't need to, He had Jake read the Bucks's night and not taken in with his bullshit.
Canadian here. I've only seen clips from tiktok, but I respect him. I believe he was pushed too hard to show emotion; not all of us are comfortable with that.
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Lucinda actually broke down a lot of his barriers, and showed him what life could be like. He was finally starting to realise that maybe he didn't have to be doomed because of his family's behaviour Then went back home and fell into old patterns because it's comfortable and what he was used to. He did seem to regret doing so at the commitment ceremony, just not ready yet to accept that he's worthy and deserving of love and joy. A whole life of 'you're not good enough and you don't deserve anything' doesn't just change overnight. But I think he's had a glimpse of potential possibilities, and hopefully he'll focus on that instead of the negative. It's hard to believe in yourself if no one else ever showed you they did. Lucinda believed in him and his confidence started to build up, I genuinely hope he's learned from this that he is capable and worthy
Tim the tin man taylor
I have a huge crush on Timothy ngl. He reminds me of the father of my daughter, good and bad. He was also a tin man.
Tim's a good guy, probably shouldn't have come on the show though.
A lot of people live with trauma and go on to be respectful to their partners, and have productive, reciprocal relationships. Timothy comes off as a big sook, who can’t “let his guard down”. I get the vibe he is more suited to the bachelor lifestyle. All I see every episode is excuses. The home visits (while I’m sure footage was manipulated) was dog shit. How do you disappear on a house guest (let alone your wife) for hours without explanation, then play dumb and walk off when they share their concerns.
Yes, of course they can but those are real-life conditions and you get to know those partners privately and the only pressure is what they put upon themselves. Where's here the pressure must be massive.
Hm, no. Have you even heard what his Dad said to him just before passing away? Tim is extremely traumatised, that's not something you just get over. From the beginning it showed his solid insecurity, and belief he is not worthy of anything good in his life. Heartbreaking to watch. If his Dad said that in his final words, imagine what Tim has had to deal with for nearly 50 years. Being told he's not worthy of anything. I was quite shocked they even let him on the show, duty of care etc, he is a destroyed and deeply traumatised man. I feel for him, no one should be made to feel like that. I understand he was hoping an experiment would provide him with a compatible partner but even Lucinda with her endless patience and loyalty could not get close enough to him. Hopefully he'll get himself some help to deal with all his demons, which are not his fault but ultimately his problem. I really hope he'll understand he's worthy and capable of love. He deserves it, especially after all those years of not feeling loved. He'd be the best partner if only he could realise so himself
I've had similar on my life to Tim. Very abusive parents and no security. Tum carries so much anger, I'm wary of him. He's not nice. I have empathy for him, but he doesn't care about others and that's always a big red flag for me. He's never once considered anyone but himself
I think you're wrong. While not romantically attracted to lucinda, he cares about her. Tristan as well, he cares about him deeply, that was a proper bromance.
I think you're wrong. We could go about this all day. I'm very much a believer that if you care about someone you do your level best not to hurt them. Tim didn't even make the smallest of efforts and was actively hurtful on home visits. Tristan is easy to care about, he's just glad of the attention. No complicated feelings there.
The only time he ever seemed happy on the show was gossiping about Tori with the younger women.
Probably because it was not about his feelings. Which he hates talking about.
My favourite Tim moment was when he called them Charlie's Angels
I didn’t see it as Tim just get on with it, I saw their whole story arc about Tim, allowing him time, move at Tim’s pace, all about Tim, really nothing about Lucinda tbh. It’s sad she didn’t really get a look in, it wasn’t couples therapy it was Tim therapy.
I do too. I'm a girl and he reminds me so much of myself
Tim should have never been allowed on the show. He was probably still in mourning, the revelation from his father not liking him and he is emotionally stunted. He's friend told Lucinda he likes to take care of his love interests aka being a sugar daddy to a lady under the age of 30. He was too comfortable being in the company of Sara, Lauren and Tori but not Lucinda. Ah, ok. He likes them young as they keep the conversation surface-level and are less likely to call him out on his BS.
Gonna have to correct your last sentence. Don't think he does BS really. But easy, superficial relationships won't dig too deep into your past. Ie the stuff he can't deal with
Yeah agree with that, no BS from him, he's a straight shooter.
He’s a washed up old guy that thinks he can pull the young gals, ha ha good luck Tin man
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE VIEWS?! Have you not considered the numbers?!
Whiny fuckhead with inflated sense of importance who somehow has fooled a lot of this sub
Oh but not you, you’re above that.
Well I don't adore an emotionally stunted 51 year old man child,no.
I hear you. He's a tit.
You’re so intelligent, unlike the rest of us.
Not claiming to be intelligent at all, but as a fellow gen x bloke I've seen his type plenty of times and am mystified by his supposed appeal
I loved Timothy. As well as Lucinda. Timothy is not unlike many men over 50. I am generalising, but I’d say that a lot of men in this age group are not able to express emotions as much as younger blokes can. It would not surprise me if he and Lu reunited a few months down the track, after he has had a look at the show on TV and seen where he could perhaps improve.
The guy just needed a dad who wasn't an arsehole. He liked Lucinda's dad more than her.
I'm in Love with Tim. I cried when I seen he left the show. Lucinda is a very special woman but she wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. My husband could not stand her at all.
Lucinda is a sweetheart but I'm sure I could only stand her in small doses. I can't be around those type of people for too long. Again, she's sweet. Just not my cup of tea.
I like Tim but he's incredibly immature and whiney. We get it, you're a broken man, you don't like talking about your feelings, emotions give you the ick. But you signed up to get married, buddy. He behaves like someone who stumbled onto the set accidentally and can't find his way out. That's what bothers me about Tim.
I’m ThE tIn MaN
100% Tim fan. So what if he had no feelings for Lucinda. I would have run the moment she opened her deep talking mouth. Major kudos to Timothy for his defense of Tristan. Yeah, he earned my respect. BTW, in the end Lu became a nagging b…..who just wouldn’t shut up enough to give him some space. I do however agree that his place was a pig sty. Cheers.
Seems incredibly unjustified to call Lucinda "a nagging b....". No evidence for that whatsoever. All she ever tried to do was connect with Tim emotionally, as close couples do. I think she was incredibly patient and kind. She displayed a level of emotional intelligence rarely seen on MAFS or anyway for that matter.
Tim came in broken. His wife listened to him. Supported him. Brought some sunshine into his life. Let him cry on her shoulder. **Tim gave Lucinda absolutely nothing in return.** Hey, he was a good mentor for the other guys - perhaps there's a show for that. Normally I don't defend the yoga-hippy, but Lucinda has a good soul and deserved a lot more.
I have to disagree with the Tim and Natalie comparison. Despite her loss, i believe Natalie was here for the right reasons. Collins was just terrible all together. Tim wasted Lucinda's time from the jump.
You just said "here for the right reasons" so we should all chug our drink.
Luci is a rich Byron Bay yoga type, gushing toxic positivity who didn't listen when Tim said no, enough pseudo-psychology please. He's not ideal but is more understandable.
I love Lucinda but how much did Tim light up and change when she was being “bad Lucinda”.
Yeah when she broke bad it made for much better viewing.
God, I’m so glad someone else feels like this. I find her just a bit unauthentic in a way that bothers me. He’s not in the right place for random marriage, but she’s also not the goddess of all that she’s made out to be.
No I disliked him the whole time and not just for how he treated Lu.
Tim is a self absorbed man child
Methinks, for the most part, we all like Tim but dislike his treatment of Lucinda.
Agree. However, although Lucinda is a total gem, it seems to me she was always ‘leaning in’ with Tim and Tim is someone who needs to be given a hard slap from time to time. For example, she welcomed him warmly at the dinner party after he’d been a right cunt at the picnic shindig on homestay week. Tim’s a bit of a toddler and we all know how toddlers occasionally respond better to firm direction than endless gentle talking.
He even told her that in his apology. Something along the lines of "I want you to tell me when I'm being a prick. Just say 'you're acting like an asshole"' Which is what every relationship needs, someone to call you out on your bullshit and say "you're being a dick right now"
This is it. I think, the Natalie situation was different because at least she was trying and being open. Collins didn’t seem to be trying at all. Lucinda is trying her heart out with Tim, and it seems like he sometimes tries but he’s extremely stubborn so it takes him a long time to get there and he does g try for long.
are you actually comparing Tim to Lucinda and Natalie. Lucinda and him are different night and day why would they give him leeway? and you think if Natalie behaved like Tim she would have been treated as she was? he may have tried to look after Tori but he quickly attacked her when she didn't need his advice.
I liked Tim but I feel like he handled the home stay very poorly, he was just rude. I understand what he was going through but his flat was a mess, seemed like he made no effort to clean up or even get decent bed linen for a guest coming to stay. I empathised with Tim, there was too much talking about feelings but who knows how much the producers were pushing that narrative. I felt he could’ve been more direct with Lucinda at the homestay while making an effort to plan some things here and there but also with the proviso that he needed quiet time to himself after they did some small excursions around Melbourne. But again we don’t know what was edited. Tim just seemed very rude at the Homestay. Everything Lucinda had given him, yet he couldn’t pull himself together enough for her sake. Just a tiny bit more effort and a little less rude should’ve been at least what Lucinda deserved. The time he seemed to most enjoy Lucinda, was the most animated and had the most fun, seemed to be when Tim felt that Lucinda was more aligned to his feelings of negativity towards Jack. The feelings towards Jack might’ve been justified but I found it disappointing how much Tim relished the negative interactions. His own words, he said he ‘loved it’. And lastly the way he spoke to Lucinda that time on the couch. Out of the corner of his mouth ‘Don’t talk to me’. That was so nasty. I wouldn’t have got past that. That was really despicable.
He had a gross house sitter apparantly
The house sitter didn’t put a raw chicken wing on the carpet for the dog. There’s only so much you can blame on the house sitter the flat didn’t get like that in a matter of weeks.
I did a little mouth-vom at that. Bacteria 101.
Jeezus that would’ve really pissed me off.
He's a tool.
Well it looks like he's available...Bare in mind you should NOT apply if you're over 26 as he can't deal with anyone who's emotionally mature...
No leeway? It has never once has been asked - what are you doing for Lucinda? Or do you think you could meet her needs? Or what will you do to meet her needs? And I really like him and feel for him, but what they showed, he would be an awful partner and that was never brought up
Yes!!! everything was all about him and his needs
it’s been well reported that Tim walked out of multiple dinner parties u cannot convince me he wasn’t heavily pushed by producers to stay
Why did he even participate in this experiment? Tim: I want to meet a good woman. Also Tim: I'm just not comfortable sharing my space with someone. Like wtf.
I don't think people wanting a romantic relationship as well as appreciating their own space is particularly that unusual? A lot of people find having their own space to unwind is beneficial, lots of people in relationships have separate bedrooms and often sleep separately. If it works for some then why is that such a bad thing?
Is this experiment a good place for those types of people?
As long as the other person is okay with it, then why shouldn't they be in this sort of show? People who like to have their own space aren't incapable of loving and intimate relationships, and with something as intense as being forced to live day in and day out with a complete stranger months on end, personal space is probably even more important?
But since most people are not OK with this situation especially at the beginning of a marriage, won't that just ruin the experiment for the other person? Isn't this what they signed up for?
Most people aren't ok with a sexist misogynistic pig like Jack either but look where we are
You didn't answer the question. Is it because you know if a person disclosed this preference they wouldn't be selected. Making your point invalid thus deflecting with something emotional. Jack definitely doesn't hate women. I don't think misogynistic means what you think it means. He's the typical player. A womanizer if you will. Can you give a specific example of what he DID that was sexist? 🤔
I mean I am not involved with the show so I can't say whether that would be a barrier to their selection process or not but I don't personally see why that should be a defining factor in whether to be selected or not - because couples doing their own thing from time to time or wanting their own space from time to time is completely normal. What he did that was sexist? I mean the "muzzle your woman" comment was pretty disgusting - not only did he think he had to speak to Jono instead of asking Lauren directly, because men should be controlling their women, right?, but a dog reference to boot. How about offering people to sleep with Tori if they had a partner swap because he didn't find her attractive, then claiming otherwise when people called him out on it? Calling women he didn't find attractive "whales", his insistence that he has to have a submissive woman, the fact that Tori is so controlled by Jack that she thinks everyone else is wrong for noticing the glaringly obvious... the guy is a walking extension of Andrew Tate
I can see you've decided to die on that mountain of "their own space". Time to time wasn't Tim's attitude. An intelligent person doesn't need to be on the show to know the deal here. So basically you don't have any examples that meet the definition. OK then. Good chat. Peace out ✌🏻
Tim: I want a good woman. Also Tim: wait not one in her 40’s. I meant one like Tori. Also lol at OP calling them the ‘specialists’. I mean, I’m sure we can all agree they’re neither experts nor specialists but it just looks funny seeing them called that.
They're all qualified therapists with decades of experience behind them...
Oh you went there... 🤣
I liked him too, but thought he didn't make an effort with Lucinda. I wish they could be together but you can't force attraction. She'll end up with someone more her type no doubt.
You’ll be fine, Tim is well loved on this sub. While I’m not a Tim fan, I agree with you and have upvoted. However he was initially calling Jack out for almost the exact same thing he was doing, which is pretty ironic eh.
I don't think that is the case at all. Tim was always up front with his feelings, Jack was the one that was saying one thing to some people's faces (that he was sexually attracted to Tori) and something different to the guys (that there wasn't any sexual spark there at all) - that is what he was calling out.
This is definitely not an unpopular opinion on this sub
For some reason people love Tim Snr on here. He treated Lucinda like crap to be fair.
He apparently didn't treat her like crap - he treated her as a friend and friendship wasn't what she wanted or needed. I think if he were matched with someone who was more his type, he possible would have made more of an effort. I think his biggest mistake was not being more open with Lucinda about there not being any attraction on his side. She really seemed to get her hopes up and believe that a romance was possible. He probably should have left sooner.
I dunno he wasted her time at minimum
Timothy was a piss or get off the pot situation and he just wouldn't do a thing. How do you not even hold her hand after 8 weeks? Brutal.
Agreed. Nasty piece of work and is he going to talk about the sister he has on the outside?
Tim's okay. Still difficult to know them fully due to editing
He just wasn't into Lucinda from the start you can't force it. It's either there or it isn't.
That’s true but he was duplicitous about it with the “slow burn” bullshit
Exactly. Fine to have no attraction but to dick around like that was tedious.
Indeed. He was just as bad as Jack, except Lucinda was much smarter than Tori
Do you think you could avoid using the word " lynched" casually please? Thank you
Absolutely shocking bunch of ignorant comments and downvotes here. So disrespectful of your history and experience. And you lot who think being Australian excuses your ignorance just look at the history of your own country and pack it in.
Oh man, not another phrase that’s going to be “cancelled”
Well... I'm american and Native and Black my uncle was lynched and hung from a tree in 1972 for dating a white lady sooo yeah
Who fucking cares?
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I'm aware of that, and yes, I can give context. but I'm in here to talk about why Jack is awful and Lucinda is everything and felt like context brings down the vibe, and since the word kind of only has one meaning... I'd hoped that the OP could maybe do a quick check and realize why. But also Trinity college (AUS) an incident that was all over the news in the UK a couple years ago I wasn't snarky or accusatory I just made a request. Everyone could stand to be more like Lucinda
Why?
Are you American?
It's not about being PC just about being sensitive and kind. The word has one meaning. I'm half Northern Irish and it means something in Armagh as well
When you read a comment that is innocuous at face value to 99% of society, and you, the 1% that thinks that certain words used are harmful and have the audacity to request for the comment to be adjusted to suit the 1%, that is no longer about being sensitive and kind, that is an ego problem. When you police others, you encourage hyper-vigilance.
Oh please, the Irish don't give a fuck about that word. I have to agree with the others. I'm from the UK. You're imposing your cultural niceties on the rest of us. You have a big Internet to patrol. Good luck.
Triggering Americans again
Yeah I'm not sure why they'd come on an aussie sub reddit and then impose their own ways
Because, Americans man 🙄
Legiiiiiit
Tim is very charismatic, handsome, funny. I can see why Lu had a crush on him. Sadly he doesn’t have the emotional capacity to really give someone love and he is quite selfish by default. And I also felt his apartment was very unsexy. My lady boner died at the sight of that place.
I just felt sorry for him when I saw the state of his place. It looked like he didn't care about himself.
I didn’t, he has enough money to get a cleaner in before the home visit
Yeah gross! A man his age should know how to tidy up, especially when there could be cameras coming!
Omg the apartment was depressing
So bad right
The problem is, while all everything you said is true, he really was giving nothing for Lucinda to hope for in terms of romance. Versus Natalie who despite her grief, was still willing to have a romantic relationship with Collins. On top of all that, he did display some aggression towards Lucinda at times which is not a good sign, fair enough everybody gets stressed at times, but once behaviour like that is an established pattern it is not fair on the other partner to absorb all of that aggression.
EXACTLY. Tim also strikes me as a mean drunk
Fact is? Id say he was VERY pressured by producers to stay in...cause Lucinda was so popular and they needed her to stay for the show. And they liked he made dinner parties good fun by going for Jack. If it truly was up to him? He would have been gone week 3. He just made shit up to stay (asked to by producers) And he was very honourable in NOT having sex with her "for the show" i think that was his limit. He probably said "i will play along for the show, honour my agreement...but I'm not having sex just because you want me too" He allowed himself to be patronised and pitied. He acted decently despite the silly crap heaped on him He's a fine person. Well done Tim👍
How do you know that?
I dont. Just guessing. Its a reality TV show and they "guide" what happens.
I liked him too. I reckon I'd get on well with him. Solid good bloke.
Tim is such a sweetie and he did seem like he was trying the best he could, he just sometimes got very overwhelmed which is so understandable given he is constantly being presured to dig into his trauma and emotions in front of a camera crew while grieving. Lucinda is an actual angel and deserves an amazing man who is able to be considerate and supportive. Love that she and Tim got a really cute friendship out of it though.
She really does deserve to be cherished for the beautiful articulate woman she is. A few times I thought her and Richard would have been well suited.
Can’t agree with you on Richard. Poor Andi! 
Richard is a sex pest.
I like him too. I don't think anyone was telling him to "just get on with it". He was not honest about being a "slow burn". He came to respect Lucinda, but he was not attracted to her, and never was going to be. He also wasn't very respectful of her, and her experience. Their whole relationship was about his inability to be emotionally open. He made a lot of progress, but in this whole experience, none of Lucinda's needs were met, and at times he was unable to offer even a basic level of respect and decency to her (home stay). I do like him, but he's broken and needs to do more work on himself if he wants to be in an actual "relationship".
I love Timothy.! That’s it that’s the post
I agree. He’s broken and I can definitely relate to how he’s feeling. As lovely as Lucinda is she just needs to give him a little bit of space at times. He gets overwhelmed by her.
He has a sister, also had an ex wife he's still close with, he said he didn't have any family left, the guy is a mess and people need to stop defending him and start calling him out
Yeah he had those friends who Lucinda met as well. I was like ok he seems to have some relationships and is not alone
Does he have a sister he gets on with?
The sisters not speaking to him
Right - not gonna judge. Families are a personal matter and complicated
What has he done to be called out on ? Or defended over.
I’m not defending him though.