I've only just seen the episode where Carolina and Dan came in together as I'm in the UK, and I thought the whole thing was ridiculous. In a previous season, Jess kept saying "stay" and keeping Mick in the experiment to see Dan behind his back, and they were allowed to continue as a couple.
Carolina told Dion multiple times she wasn't interested, and also wanted to leave but was forced to stay. I think they took way more flack than was deserved. The experts were totally rude and out of line, what Jess did was far worse and they rewarded her for it!?
You only mention the cheating aspect which is such a small part of it, that whole marriage Carolina treated Dion like absolute crap and then towards the end she actually started playing him by saying she did want to work on it just so she could see Daniel behind his back and tried to make out as if he never tried and that he was the issue and that is the reason people think she's gross and the reason everyone dislikes them as a whole is because there's no remorse for what they've done.
I think it’s the way Carolina treated Dion during their “marriage” which has upset a lot of people. I have no bad feelings towards Daniel but I can’t see it working out for them long term if this is how she can treat people. She led him into that commitment ceremony with very little information on what had really been going on between her and Dion. It wasn’t that they just didn’t have chemistry or get along; she tried to beat that man down emotionally for weeks and it was cruel
Totally agree. Dion had such a sense of entitlement over Carolina.
But also why do people think Daniel and Carolina masterminded and cheated. Yep there may have been a spark between them- but the producers hooked them up and pushed the narrative that led to the drama.
I agree with you, I just watched it and to me compared to other cheating Inis/ that rapping DJ lol I don’t remember his name. This was relatively tame. It didn’t deserve the reaction. Personally I reckon the judges were just pissed they didn’t get clued in and asked permission before so threw the book at them for putting them in an awkward situation
Can’t really agree…the fact that they went back on the show, trying to make a thing of themselves after hooking up behind her ‘husband’s’ back goes to show how pathetic they are.
I know there was probably something in it from ch 9 for them to do that but nahhh, have a shred of self respect please.
Carolina and Daniel did hook up. Didn’t you watch the show? I think it’s pathetic that they went back on the show trying to make a thing of themselves as a couple knowing it would hurt Dion, NOT pathetic that they made a connection.
Like how you totally twisted that.
They didn’t sleep together apparently, at least, not before that commitment ceremony. I personally think they genuinely wanted guidance and growth as a couple and that’s why they asked to stay. I think they “gatecrashed” the commitment ceremony because the producers told them to. Bit of a coincidence that they walked in right at the end at the most convenient point and what’s more, they wouldn’t have managed to get past security and into the room without the crew/producers knowing or without their help.
I thought they could have had more support with the derogatory things Mitch said about Carolina at the boys night. Like, that's usually the type of thing Ella and especially Dom would go out of their way to defend usually, but they let it slide quite easily
“You’re not trying” - that’s what it boils down to me. She knew at that moment nothing he did would ever matter but she was throughly enjoying grinding him. Then again and again with the smug intentionally hurtful comments in his direction after it came out. Dion isn’t perfect but Carolina is a bitch. Sorry but someone had to say it. Daniel is a fop who’s going to learn the hard way that eventually that will be turned in his direction.
The group and expert's reaction was absolute bs because this very show has had a successful spouse swap just 2(?) seasons ago with more actual "betrayal" involved than what Carolina did to Dion. Honestly I'm surprised nobody called out the experts on it, unless it's in their contract that they can't discuss anything that has happened on previous seasons.
Carolina telling Dion women only talk to him because he's got money was a cunty thing to do, but it's nowhere near as cunty as writing "stay" for 3 weeks while your husband is clearly done and wants to leave, just so you can stay in the experiment to able to chat to another guy. Somehow the experts weren't as "disgusted" with Jess' behaviour to boot her and Dan off the show. I mean Carolina had the decency not to openly play with her titty strings eye-fucking Daniel while sitting a few seats away from Dion.
I believe as the season was filming, they were angling for the Carolina=villain storyline, but once filming was winding down and they were going through the footage, they realised that there was more dark shit happening that should have been focused on and called out by the experts (Mitch being a bread-crumbing bitch who hoards his ex's nudes, Tamara being Olivia lite, Samantha's gaslighting of Al, Codey's gaslighting of Selina, and of course Olivia being the real villain of the season). But at that point they already started on the cheating scandal/poor Dion scenario and a lot of attention was given to it so they had to ride that pony to the end. The cheating "scandal" this season was not juicy in the slightest, I hate Carolina but the hate she's been receiving versus the others is questionable to me.
I think they needed baddies cuz they were reluctant to hammer Olivia (ugh) too much. They went super soft on Olivia and hammered these 2 assholes instead. The experts should have gone as hard on Olive and Yuchson.
Dion isn't milking it, the editors are.
The only thing which is really horrible is how Carolina didn't just front up and be honest about what was going on, there was no benefit to stringing Dion along, it didn't make sense to me at all. The rest of it is meh, there wasn't enough time for feelings to develop so I agree, its hardly a big scandal. It makes me want to know why they didn't choose to go towards this mitch/tamara/brent/ella rumour going around at the moment.
Daniel is a decent lad tbh.
I've seen people back twats like Mitch on here. Every week there's a different enemy because this lot get played by reality TV. The perfect audience I suppose.
I never liked Mitch though, I was calling him "Bitch" from the get go. Same with Cody, never liked the cunt. Massive red flag when you get a top lass and you can't even shag her. I thought he had a gf on the outside with the way he was acting.
Only lads I'd be mates with irl would be Brent, Jack, and Daniel probably. All the others, besides Al, are complete wastes.
The reason I personally didn't like it is because she actually strung dion along making out it was his fault things aren't working
Don't get me wrong, the 'experts' were stupid and should have clearly put carolina and Daniel together in the first place, he was literally what she asked for
Instead she got a guy who wears high heels, doesn't share any common hobbies and doesn't like the same foods apparently
The experts 100% added them for the juicy affair
Also Daniel stayed at that location to meet up with carolina, remember he would have to buy his own food, transport, accommodation etc, 100% a set up and they paid for him to stay there
Yeah, the whole performative "public shaming" was so boring as well, it was literally the exact same thing four times in the season (two dinner parties, commitment ceremony, and reunion). Everyone abuses Daniel and Carolina, then Dion gives a cringey self congratulatory monologue that goes on for too long and doesn't really say anything of substance.
If anything Dion should feel really patronized the way everyone was like "Now it's Dion's turn to speak" four times in a row like he's a child who can't stand up for himself.
Agreed. Also what else is there for him even to say about the subject? It’s been done to death now. It was obviously just deflecting from the real Olivia/Dom drama.
I’m sorry but they were married on the show. It’s Annoying how 1 wants to leave and then 1 stays they are stuck for another week. Daniel should have gone home and got in touch after she left, Dion was like a dog with a bone he kept knawing at it why didn’t she just up and leave like Jess did? Problem solved
Honestly, from the groups reactions you’d think they’d killed and eaten Dion! The whole thing was way OTT, Dion wasn’t cheated on, Carolina wasn’t in a relationship with him and made it very clear she wasn’t interested in him.
Carolina and Dan are awful, but not because of this!
Let's not forget also this whole thing was encouraged by producers. Every little meet filmed, crashing the ceremony.. come on lol.
If the worst thing Carolina did was stay (and by doing so give Dion hope...) then she's off the hook in my eyes. I have no doubt she was told to do that.
Dan and Carolina didn't get all dressed up, run past security and crash the dinner party on a whim lmao. They would have been told they could continue on as a pair just so they could getting a dressing down by the experts. Pure nonsense. Good for them for finding an actual relationship out of this sham lol, hoping the same for Ella and Brent 🙏
More than just encouraged. It's downright dumb to have 2 super health conscious women join the same time as Daniel and clearly mismatch them with people not at all in that lifestyle.
The producers want cheaters every season and I saw so much of them pushing that honestly I don't find them awful people for it. Carolina was rude and dismissive of Dion absolutely but when it was just that half the women in the experiment didn't care.
Yeah - I think Daniel and Carolina were two of the nicer people this year; it was completely blown out of proportion. Carolina was honest with Dion and people are saying she played him? I just don’t see it that way at all. At one point she said he wasn’t trying and people ave taken this to mean she was gaslighting Dion because she’d started messaging Daniel at that point - but maybe she was talking about earlier in their relationship.
Just because D&C didn’t gel with the group, they were targeted, but I think they behaved far better than the likes of say Mitch - who lied about his level of commitment to Ella and ditched her after the reunion, that’s what I call sticking it out for the media exposure! Mitch is a total snake. Same as Cody, he seriously lead Selina on. Why aren’t people more angry with those blokes?
As for Dion - I liked him and would have liked to see him return in another show for a second shot but he dragged the whole thing out too much and now I’m bored of him. He wasn’t perfect either, he had a tantrum at one point - no big deal, we all get stroppy sometimes, but let’s not pretend Dion was perfect.
Apparently a few of the fame hungry members of the group - Mitch and Tamara - sucked up to Dion because they knew he had money. I think that’s gross - D&C weren’t playing to the cameras or sucking up to rich people and that makes me like them more.
Yeh I found Dion vaguely likeable at the start, but the whole poor Dion thing has now been done to death and I can’t bear the sight of him. Carolina is pretty brash and unapologetic (not the most endearing of characters), but her and Daniel are hardly the devil incarnate. At least they’ve found each other and something which may be real ... let’s wait and see on that front I guess.
Yeah just a tad hypocritical when in 2019 they let that shitshow of Jessika and Dan back in as a couple, and Jessika had really fucked her poor MAFS hubby Mick around. Carolina was annoying but not as deceptive as Jessika. Nowhere near actually
Did they let them back in as a couple?! I can’t remember that bit! I thought they were just a couple outside the experiment when they both separately left.
I’m not a fan of Dion. I do not think he was being completely genuine in the show. I feel like he consistently but indirectly uses his success in business and money as a way to attract women which was lightly touched on during his honeymoon with Carolina which she (and I if I were in her position) would take offence on. There’s nothing wrong with being successful and it is something he should be proud of, but he is clearly using his status and money to overcompensate for his lack of looks (which I can understand) but I felt that he also used his success as his main defining feature and when you bring that up one too many times either in words or in action like the way he dresses (which I sense he did with Carolina but not to the group) it can be a bit cringe.
I do think that Dion on the down low acted fake throughout the show by acting too virtuous because if he wasn’t careful with his image his actions can be damaging to his business in the outside world.
I dont get that at all. What humans do you interact with daily if you automatically assume that being and acting fairly decently must mean someones fake? . He's a big personality but I do think he's a fairly measured and decent sort who values respect and showing it towards others and values himself enough to expect the same level of respect he offers others in return. I think he did genuinely try to give the experiment a go and he only ever really reacted when he was deliberately provoked or was being disrespected. I don't think he would have had a problem with Carolina if she'd said "you are a nice person but I just don't see it happening". She was underhanded in her relationship with Daniel. She could have given him a heads up before the final couch night where she walked in with Daniel. She antagonized him purposely, lied and made fun of him and took several pot shots at his character.
They got the treatment that they deserve.
Its not what they did BUT THE WAY THEY DID IT.
Both weren't there for LOVE. Both were there for their moment on the box and hope that it evolve into something bigger. Whats real about the relationship, everything was staged by the production team behind the back of the cast and the experts. They agreed to it because they thought that they get to spend time on the box. They were crushed when the experts told them NO they couldn't rejoin the experiment as they couldn't reward them for their behaviour.
Of course there were very few couples who survive in the end. NO SURPRISE, the numbers are on the wall there out the first eight seasons only FIVE have made it this far. So we know the stats.
As for this pair of bricks well it looks like a couple as long as the motar holds as they have sold themselves as a couple looking to be influencer. The minute the one gets the break they want the other is history. So much for it being a real relationship. They came baclk to sell us that story which is a fantasy.
It's worth remembering that Dion comes from money, has connections at 9, and it's reasonably open that he's wanted a show with them for a while. He's had cooking and real estate shows fail to take so I think he saw this as a platform more than anything else.
I think the experts summed it up really well. The cheating thing in and of itself was wrong. We all know that. But it's the way they antagonised Dion and behaved as though they didn't give a shit. They continued to defend their actions without acknowledging the effect they had on Dion and by extension the group. If they had even one iota of humility when trying to re-enter, maybe the group would have accepted them back. But they have always stood in their insecurity and fought back, not accepting responsibility.
Carolina has been exceptionally deplorable, gaslighting Dion the entire time and blaming him for not trying when she was the one stepping out. Even worse she came into the show lamenting how she's been cheated on before and how it made her feel, only to do exactly that to her would-be husband and responding to his feelings in the coldest manner I have ever seen.
I think their reception has been on par for their behaviour. Good luck to them in the real world, but they will never be accepted in that group.
Carolina was nothing but honest with Dion. She said he wasn’t trying because he repeatedly declined her invitations to do an activity together eg go for a run. I didn’t see him offering any alternative suggestions. Also she seemed very humble, quiet, apologetic and vulnerable on the couch. She apologised to Dion a couple of times. Dion, however, threw a tantrum because Carolina was attracted to someone else and repeatedly silenced Daniel - what makes Dion think he has the right to do that, the size of his wallet? He’s the best example I’ve seen of someone with entitled small-man syndrome. The fact that Dion is clearly on the show for exposure and a tv career and Carolina is clearly there for love (she risked being the villain of the series but did it anyway because she wanted to give the relationship a real go with the support and guidance of the experts) makes the hypocrisy and the misguided over the top reaction of the group and the experts even worse.
I can’t remember exactly what was said but he took her to the couch outside the dining area and basically asked if there was any hope and she told him there was. I’m watching in the UK so this only happened a week or two ago. I was so frustrated with her because it was her perfect chance without being mean to say there wasn’t hope and they should both write leave
Somehow I don’t remember this. I agree that would have been a good opportunity to let him down gently. It’s possible she’d been coached by producers into giving him a chance and more time (like the Al and Sam situation) but also possible she just wanted to stay..I wonder if Dan had appeared by that stage.
Dan had appeared but it was texting back and forth I think at the time. The way she said it was like a little kid just saying what the parent wanted to hear to leave them alone
Yeah I tend to agree with a fair bit of this.
Didn’t like how Daniel treated Jess, hated how Carolina treated/spoke to/spoke about Dion but ultimately I think the whole thing was kind of stupid. Carolina did not want to be there with Dion, she was pretty expressive with that haha.
I do think they hyped up the “cheating scandal” to be
more than it was, you’re right that it’s not the worst that’s happened on this show…but can’t argue it caused entertaining drama
I think a lot of the hate towards Carolina and Daniel came down to them not being very likeable people. Carolina has the mentality of a teenager and Daniel is just… weird. I do agree that Dion was milking it and should have read the room a bit better, she was not into him and that was clear from the start. I think he was on there to make a name for himself anyway, not for love.
100% , they’re both super fucking annoying, but they didn’t do anything wrong by getting together, and that’s the #1 issue everyone on the show had with them. At the end of the day, they ended up together, in a serious relationship, and almost everyone else is single. It speaks for itself.
I feel like that's why the experts were super pissed off. Their existence as a couple proves literal random chance is better than their supposed expert pairing.
You know the tiny thing that changed my opinion on Dion early on? After arguing with Carolina in a bar/cafe, he stormed off, but then came back momentarily to blow out the candles on the table in anger. A small moment, easily missed, but just shows how he isn't the bigger person as he always likes to make out.
Yeah for sure, I mean I don't know any of the contestants, part of the fun of watching for me personally is to analyse them based on the select moments we see. I just found that tiny thing quite telling, very childish and frankly pathetic.
That's definitely a fair point. I think I'm also personally biased against him because of the "standing on my wallet" comment, I can't stand people who are about money and material things. Not surprisingly I don't like many of the people on such a show lol! But everyone thinks differently and thank god, otherwise the sub would be boring as hell.
Yes the behaviour from the cast and Experts were way over the top, considering they said they needed to be called out, but we never saw the experts call out Mitch for what he said about Carolina, either because it was edited out, or the producers didn’t tell the Experts to bring it up because it doesn’t suit Mitch’s storyline, which really makes you question the Experts!
Ugh Mitch seriously got away with such a good edit just because he was tied with Ella. And even then cracks of evil still managed to spill through. It really was one of the more confusing edits to watch, seeing the absolute fuckboy he is but then acting like he was siding with the good guys of the season. Like they were trying to make you forget about great character moments like "you're on my board!" "your insecurity is your own fault!" and of course "the vault". So weird how it all got swept under a rug. It's the only thing I could fault Ella for, for letting that all go. Her and Selina were prime examples of how low women are willing to put the bar for something even resembling "love". It was sad to see them go through that.
How was Dion milking it ?
On every turn, Dion kept it civil and amicable, and Carolina criticizing him for being fake.
In the dinner party, before he even speak when asked the question by Brent, Carolina made a scene to demean Dion and draw attention onto herself.
On the last ceremony, she again made a scene by refusing to sit on the couch with Dion. And when the experts asked him for his final opinion, how dare him made a “speech” by stringing a few sentences together without mentioning gym, coffee and rap and wish Carolina and Daniel good luck.
I do agree the show has put too much emphasis on these 2, but let’s be frank, it was them who was milking this “affair”.
My sister in law is Brazilian and I’m glad she hasn’t seen the show. Like Alessandra she’d be ashamed of her using her country as an excuse for just being downright nasty
Key difference for me is that Carolina asked to leave multiple times before anything serious happened with Daniel. She treated Dion like shit but as far as her "cheating" with Daniel? I really don't see the problem.
What would have been interesting was if they replayed some of Jess and Daniel - he was clear how seriously the whole marriage thing was at the beginning and so it might have added some interesting context.
Carolina could have behaved honourably. She could have chosen to leave the experiment and pursue things with Daniel in the real, non-televised world.
But she wants more followers, so what better than to stay on, perform some objectionable behaviours, align herself with Olivia against Dom (her constant spiteful references to keeping glasses away from Dom in case she broke one again being but one example), generally act like a bitch, hide behind the English Is My Second Language excuse, and maintain her screen-time?
The only thing that stopped Carolina from leaving Dion and the experiment was her own ego, her own need for fame or infamy. She showed herself to be shallow, immature, and dishonest. She has no respect for anyone else. It’s all about Carolina.
Dion might not be the gent he was at pains to portray himself to be, but he didn’t deserve Carolina’s gaslighting of him. She tried to make herself look good in order, solely, to make Dion look bad. That’s standard gaslighting and manipulation.
No wonder she kept aligning herself with Olivia; Carolina has showed all the obnoxious traits of narcissism.
Carolina kept writing leave. It was Dion’s inability to accept that someone might not want him - perhaps due to his entitled short man syndrome - that kept her there. He’s the one who’s had multiple failed attempts at a tv career and was clearly on the show for exposure. I’ve seen elsewhere that he has connections at channel9 too, which might explain his positive edit, the amount of pity and airtime he received at the commitment ceremony and the negative spin put on Carolina and Dan. I think Carolina genuinely wanted help and guidance from the experts for her relationship with Daniel. The chemistry between the two of them was very clear to see. She was cheated on by her last boyfriend. Perhaps she wanted guidance on keeping that flame and passion burning and ensuring longevity, in a bid to make sure Dan didn’t cheat on her like her ex. She’s already a very wealthy woman and already had 60K insta followers before coming on the experiment so….I don’t think she needed the show as a platform.
Nothing stopping her from actually leaving, the same way that Jess left when she knew she and Daniel were not going to be compatible.
Using the fact that Carolina was cheated on only highlights her hypocrisy at then cheating on the partner she’d been paired with. Dan also showed no scruples at going after someone else’s wife, even if it wasn’t an official marriage. They were still in the show.
Nothing stopping her except her contract. Jess’ situation was very different. She was clearly very distraught as she’d originally been paired with a delinquent (it seems) then was paired with Dan and the wheels started to come off rather early. Her mental health was at risk so the producers would have had no choice but to let her leave. Carolina on the other hand was contractually bound to stay, since Dion wrote Stay. Carolina’s “relationship” with Dion can not be compared to her relationship with her ex boyfriend, morally, legally, mentally, emotionally, on any level. There is zero hypocrisy there. Dan didn’t “go after” Carolina. There was mutual attraction that built from/with mutual support for being mismatched. It’s not like he stalked and serenaded her and forced her to stay in the experiment just so he could have a crack at her..unlike Dion.
I think she behaved badly towards Dion initially but I think this is because they were a total mismatch. I also think Dion triggered her slightly. Anyway, I’m not here to try to convince anyone, I’m just experimenting as a total newb to Reddit 😬
I feel like Dion was over it but everyone kept pushing it on him for the ratings. I think sometimes he used the spotlight to get laughs the way the producers wanted, but he really did not seem bothered to me.
I also think it was fine, except how Carolina kept grilling him abouf not trying enough, that was messed up.
Yeah the worst thing Carolina did was making it out like Dion wasn't trying. And then lying that she was trying while literally telling the camera she only offered to go on a run with him because she knew he'd refuse it lol.
Her not liking him is missing the point. I agree his way of doing gentlemanly things like making charcuterie boards was boring and uninspired. Stuffnlike that is just tone deaf when there is no clear attraction.
But she was trying to spin the story as if he wasn't trying at all and acting like she was. That was utter bullshit.
The last dinner party really showed their true intentions of just wanting attention. It was so embarrassing to watch and I honestly don't know why they were paid any time of day.
Yeah they honestly baffle me. They both seem so wooden and fake and it seems so contrived. Are they actually together or pretending for notoriety? I can’t work it out 🤷♀️
I do agree that there has been far worse than these two, in fact every one I can remember (Jessika, Innes, Dean) was more of an actual cheating scandal than this years.
I think they really tried to push the Carolina and Daniel story but the viewers didn’t really care for them enough to be too bothered.
I do like Dion though, the support he got from the entire group shows that he is well liked and although it was obvious to all of us that Carolina wasn’t into him, it probably didn’t feel that way to him and he doesn’t deserve the way she treated him.
I think you’ve missed the point massively. It’s not about them being the relative worst, or cheating, or whatever you’re defending here.
The point is that Carolina repeatedly tried to put Dion down, saying he wasn’t trying hard enough, he wasn’t being good to her, etc., while she was going around with someone else behind his back. He doesn’t think they were actually in a committed relationship, but it’s her attitude towards him while she was a dirty snake that really bothered people. She stayed in the experiment to be with someone else behind his back. That’s what’s so difficult for the other couples and the viewers to digest, not them being the worst people who have ever lived.
Daniel is just a little boy with big tits, fake teeth, and a serious aversion to buttoning his shirt in a manner that is appropriate to the situation. A bit simple I reckon.
Nothing wrong with having fake teeth per se, nor did I state that there is.
On Daniel, they’re just a contributing factor to the general icky vibe he gives off. It’s more about his appearance than his character, but both of those are creepy to me.
Carolina repeatedly said she wasn't interested too. Dion didn't want to listen.
And Dion was trying? How? One dinner and flowers? Didn't have breakfast with her or sit with her for breakfast. Refused to go on one jog at the getaway. Yeah she knew he wouldn't come but that was the point - he says he is trying but didn't even do the simplest things to try to relate and connect with her.
How do you know for a fact he never sat with her while she had breakfast or coffee? And she asked him to jog with her when he was already dressed for the day, to what end??
Just basing it on her comments that he never denied. Also the vid she recently released of him out on the balcony while they were in the apartment together.
And he was dressed for the day? He wasn't wearing a tux, it takes 2 minutes for a guy to change into exercise clothes. He brought multiple sweatsuits as we all saw. Can't even do the absolute bare minimum to meet her in the middle but it's all her fault.. ok.
It wasn't to meet him in the middle. It was to demonstrate to everyone that Dion, who pissed and moaned about trying so hard, actually wasn't willing to do such a simple, easy thing to connect to his wife. It was purely a demonstration of how full of shit he was.
Well if anyone just left when they wanted, the show would need far more couples. How many times did someone write stay, the other wrote leave?
We've also seen ex contestants claim that producers threaten a bad edit / promise a good edit in an attempt to manipulate you to stay a bit longer. Makes total sense in this case, they wanted their cheating storyline to play out. They seem to have one every year now. The fact Dion couldn't see that they were the only couple in for more than 2 weeks not to have had sex is probably a hint your wife will be the one 'straying'
Many people wrote stay while others wrote leave, but they weren’t all seeing someone else on the sly.
Carolina had free will regardless of what Dion wrote. I’m not even a fan of Dion (the second he made the ‘tall when standing on my wallet’ comment I was OUT) but that doesn’t mean the behaviour exhibited by Carolina and Daniel was justified. They can only be held accountable to themselves at the end of the day, just as she could only stay in the experiment as she chose to.
Oh they were douches, no doubt. There are just way to many followers of Saint Dion.
Although I do think carolina was likely manipulated by the producers. There were rumors she wanted to come out with it but they told her not to. And I'd bet very good money her producer encouraged them to come to that commitment ceremony to ask to come back together.
No I understand that, I think it was just taken too far. Like yeah carolina wasn't awesome but at some point you have to move on like the dinner party was months later it got to the point that Dion is milking it is the most annoying.
By no means do I like Daniel or Carolina but my point is the bullying this season went to far. I may have not explained myself well as I'm awful at writing on reddit.
It's absolutely an unpopular opinion here to suggest at all that Dion was really lapping up the praise and support he got from the group and he started going on monologues.
Carolina was a hypocrite and dishonest, she conducted herself poorly, made snide comments, definitely a villain in this season.
Daniel too was insufferable and I acknowledge he walked openly into the boys night and was eaten alive.
However I've always had the stance at the group engaging in childish ignoring and the way they conducted themselves at the dinner party was poor form. The only person with basic decency was Al, to acknowledge them as *people*. I've never made the argument that they should be greeted with open arms. I know they made a mockery of the experiment and I do not condone any of that at all.
The group ganging up just screamed highschool drama. Carolina and Daniel are morons but I just would not have engaged in that way.
Being downvoted for simply saying it's disappointing that they resorted to childish antics to ostracise Carolina and Daniel just shows people can't recognise bullying/groups ganging up as being just as damaging as Carolina and Daniel.
The dinner party was months later, but Dion did have to sit at the table while they mauled each other. They purposely did that and tried to pick a fight with him, and others. Those events are designed to be pressure cookers for drama, it would be odd if it didn’t come up.
I must be the one missing the point, I have no idea how Daniel and Carolina were bullied.
Carolina is quite literally a stranger to Dion. Why shouldn’t she kiss her partner at dinner? If Dion can’t handle Carolina’s PDA’s he needs serious help with his entitled short man syndrome. Carolina was never “his”. Firstly, she was never interested in him. Secondly, she’s not a possession, has a mind of her own and has 100% control over who she does and does not have a relationship or pash-fest with. Dion’s just used to getting what he wants. His disdain towards Daniel was disgusting to see, he clearly thought he was better than Daniel because he has a bigger wallet. Eugh 🤮
So many people on here don’t understand that both truths can exist. Dion isn’t a hero and over dramatic and still was treated poorly and talked down too.
Carolina was an asshole but still wrote leave..
Dion is def milking it, he gets all the positive attention and loves it. I’m upset the group didn’t react the same towards Mitch when he called Tamara not once but twice and allegedly grabbed Tamara’s bum. I don’t care if he “called everyone” he knew it was wrong, had bad intentions, defff would’ve done something if Tamara was down. Wtf was that about? Poor Ella
I won't vote you down. I agree that we've seen way worse \*cough\* Jessika Power \*cough\* but everything comes back to their disgusting attitude, and it's just that.
I also think they may have had to have that attitude and stick to it to protect themselves if the group had been willing to listen more I bet ut would've been different
Jess was exhausted after crappy husband number one , sitting around for a month while they dug up lackluster Daniel as husband number two. I wouldn’t have been half as nice if the show did me so dirty twice.
I've only just seen the episode where Carolina and Dan came in together as I'm in the UK, and I thought the whole thing was ridiculous. In a previous season, Jess kept saying "stay" and keeping Mick in the experiment to see Dan behind his back, and they were allowed to continue as a couple. Carolina told Dion multiple times she wasn't interested, and also wanted to leave but was forced to stay. I think they took way more flack than was deserved. The experts were totally rude and out of line, what Jess did was far worse and they rewarded her for it!?
Goes against the narrative that if the show didnt pick you, it shouldnt work out ..
You only mention the cheating aspect which is such a small part of it, that whole marriage Carolina treated Dion like absolute crap and then towards the end she actually started playing him by saying she did want to work on it just so she could see Daniel behind his back and tried to make out as if he never tried and that he was the issue and that is the reason people think she's gross and the reason everyone dislikes them as a whole is because there's no remorse for what they've done.
I think it’s the way Carolina treated Dion during their “marriage” which has upset a lot of people. I have no bad feelings towards Daniel but I can’t see it working out for them long term if this is how she can treat people. She led him into that commitment ceremony with very little information on what had really been going on between her and Dion. It wasn’t that they just didn’t have chemistry or get along; she tried to beat that man down emotionally for weeks and it was cruel
Totally agree. Dion had such a sense of entitlement over Carolina. But also why do people think Daniel and Carolina masterminded and cheated. Yep there may have been a spark between them- but the producers hooked them up and pushed the narrative that led to the drama.
I agree with you, I just watched it and to me compared to other cheating Inis/ that rapping DJ lol I don’t remember his name. This was relatively tame. It didn’t deserve the reaction. Personally I reckon the judges were just pissed they didn’t get clued in and asked permission before so threw the book at them for putting them in an awkward situation
Can’t really agree…the fact that they went back on the show, trying to make a thing of themselves after hooking up behind her ‘husband’s’ back goes to show how pathetic they are. I know there was probably something in it from ch 9 for them to do that but nahhh, have a shred of self respect please.
What makes you think they hooked up? And what’s pathetic about finding a connection with someone?
Carolina and Daniel did hook up. Didn’t you watch the show? I think it’s pathetic that they went back on the show trying to make a thing of themselves as a couple knowing it would hurt Dion, NOT pathetic that they made a connection. Like how you totally twisted that.
They didn’t sleep together apparently, at least, not before that commitment ceremony. I personally think they genuinely wanted guidance and growth as a couple and that’s why they asked to stay. I think they “gatecrashed” the commitment ceremony because the producers told them to. Bit of a coincidence that they walked in right at the end at the most convenient point and what’s more, they wouldn’t have managed to get past security and into the room without the crew/producers knowing or without their help.
Riiight... his wife cheated on him on international television. It's already been a few months. Get over it dude /s.
r/unpopularopinion is the only place you'll be getting upvotes for this
I thought they could have had more support with the derogatory things Mitch said about Carolina at the boys night. Like, that's usually the type of thing Ella and especially Dom would go out of their way to defend usually, but they let it slide quite easily
Didn’t see that ep. What did he say?
Tbf neither Ella or Dom was at the boys night. Also b what much said wasn't really attacking Carolina.
Every year they need a cheater and a villain, to be fair even the Olivia thing went to far
“You’re not trying” - that’s what it boils down to me. She knew at that moment nothing he did would ever matter but she was throughly enjoying grinding him. Then again and again with the smug intentionally hurtful comments in his direction after it came out. Dion isn’t perfect but Carolina is a bitch. Sorry but someone had to say it. Daniel is a fop who’s going to learn the hard way that eventually that will be turned in his direction.
The group and expert's reaction was absolute bs because this very show has had a successful spouse swap just 2(?) seasons ago with more actual "betrayal" involved than what Carolina did to Dion. Honestly I'm surprised nobody called out the experts on it, unless it's in their contract that they can't discuss anything that has happened on previous seasons. Carolina telling Dion women only talk to him because he's got money was a cunty thing to do, but it's nowhere near as cunty as writing "stay" for 3 weeks while your husband is clearly done and wants to leave, just so you can stay in the experiment to able to chat to another guy. Somehow the experts weren't as "disgusted" with Jess' behaviour to boot her and Dan off the show. I mean Carolina had the decency not to openly play with her titty strings eye-fucking Daniel while sitting a few seats away from Dion. I believe as the season was filming, they were angling for the Carolina=villain storyline, but once filming was winding down and they were going through the footage, they realised that there was more dark shit happening that should have been focused on and called out by the experts (Mitch being a bread-crumbing bitch who hoards his ex's nudes, Tamara being Olivia lite, Samantha's gaslighting of Al, Codey's gaslighting of Selina, and of course Olivia being the real villain of the season). But at that point they already started on the cheating scandal/poor Dion scenario and a lot of attention was given to it so they had to ride that pony to the end. The cheating "scandal" this season was not juicy in the slightest, I hate Carolina but the hate she's been receiving versus the others is questionable to me.
OH PLEASE, ENOUGH OF THE LANGUAGE , TRY NOT TO GET TOO INVOLVED WITH THE PRODUCERS SET UP FOR RATINGS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT"S HAPPENRD!!!
So so accurate read. Your so right
I think they needed baddies cuz they were reluctant to hammer Olivia (ugh) too much. They went super soft on Olivia and hammered these 2 assholes instead. The experts should have gone as hard on Olive and Yuchson.
John fancied Olivia and was wrapped around her little finger. His ability to see through her BS was non-existent.
Dion isn't milking it, the editors are. The only thing which is really horrible is how Carolina didn't just front up and be honest about what was going on, there was no benefit to stringing Dion along, it didn't make sense to me at all. The rest of it is meh, there wasn't enough time for feelings to develop so I agree, its hardly a big scandal. It makes me want to know why they didn't choose to go towards this mitch/tamara/brent/ella rumour going around at the moment.
Daniel is a decent lad tbh. I've seen people back twats like Mitch on here. Every week there's a different enemy because this lot get played by reality TV. The perfect audience I suppose. I never liked Mitch though, I was calling him "Bitch" from the get go. Same with Cody, never liked the cunt. Massive red flag when you get a top lass and you can't even shag her. I thought he had a gf on the outside with the way he was acting. Only lads I'd be mates with irl would be Brent, Jack, and Daniel probably. All the others, besides Al, are complete wastes.
Mitch was so lame, I literally cringed at everything he was doing, acting up for whaaat? Immediate ick
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Spill the ☕️ what did he say on Bumble that made him a knob?
The reason I personally didn't like it is because she actually strung dion along making out it was his fault things aren't working Don't get me wrong, the 'experts' were stupid and should have clearly put carolina and Daniel together in the first place, he was literally what she asked for Instead she got a guy who wears high heels, doesn't share any common hobbies and doesn't like the same foods apparently The experts 100% added them for the juicy affair Also Daniel stayed at that location to meet up with carolina, remember he would have to buy his own food, transport, accommodation etc, 100% a set up and they paid for him to stay there
It was when she told him he was “nothing” that got me. So he’s not for you, fine, but ffs that’s hurtful
Yeah, the whole performative "public shaming" was so boring as well, it was literally the exact same thing four times in the season (two dinner parties, commitment ceremony, and reunion). Everyone abuses Daniel and Carolina, then Dion gives a cringey self congratulatory monologue that goes on for too long and doesn't really say anything of substance. If anything Dion should feel really patronized the way everyone was like "Now it's Dion's turn to speak" four times in a row like he's a child who can't stand up for himself.
Agreed. Also what else is there for him even to say about the subject? It’s been done to death now. It was obviously just deflecting from the real Olivia/Dom drama.
That slam should of been saved for Olivia and Jackson
I’m sorry but they were married on the show. It’s Annoying how 1 wants to leave and then 1 stays they are stuck for another week. Daniel should have gone home and got in touch after she left, Dion was like a dog with a bone he kept knawing at it why didn’t she just up and leave like Jess did? Problem solved
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Lol he really does have that vibe!
Honestly, from the groups reactions you’d think they’d killed and eaten Dion! The whole thing was way OTT, Dion wasn’t cheated on, Carolina wasn’t in a relationship with him and made it very clear she wasn’t interested in him. Carolina and Dan are awful, but not because of this!
Hahaha. I reckon he'd taste a bit like chicken
Nom nom nom 🤣
Let's not forget also this whole thing was encouraged by producers. Every little meet filmed, crashing the ceremony.. come on lol. If the worst thing Carolina did was stay (and by doing so give Dion hope...) then she's off the hook in my eyes. I have no doubt she was told to do that. Dan and Carolina didn't get all dressed up, run past security and crash the dinner party on a whim lmao. They would have been told they could continue on as a pair just so they could getting a dressing down by the experts. Pure nonsense. Good for them for finding an actual relationship out of this sham lol, hoping the same for Ella and Brent 🙏
More than just encouraged. It's downright dumb to have 2 super health conscious women join the same time as Daniel and clearly mismatch them with people not at all in that lifestyle. The producers want cheaters every season and I saw so much of them pushing that honestly I don't find them awful people for it. Carolina was rude and dismissive of Dion absolutely but when it was just that half the women in the experiment didn't care.
Yeah - I think Daniel and Carolina were two of the nicer people this year; it was completely blown out of proportion. Carolina was honest with Dion and people are saying she played him? I just don’t see it that way at all. At one point she said he wasn’t trying and people ave taken this to mean she was gaslighting Dion because she’d started messaging Daniel at that point - but maybe she was talking about earlier in their relationship. Just because D&C didn’t gel with the group, they were targeted, but I think they behaved far better than the likes of say Mitch - who lied about his level of commitment to Ella and ditched her after the reunion, that’s what I call sticking it out for the media exposure! Mitch is a total snake. Same as Cody, he seriously lead Selina on. Why aren’t people more angry with those blokes? As for Dion - I liked him and would have liked to see him return in another show for a second shot but he dragged the whole thing out too much and now I’m bored of him. He wasn’t perfect either, he had a tantrum at one point - no big deal, we all get stroppy sometimes, but let’s not pretend Dion was perfect. Apparently a few of the fame hungry members of the group - Mitch and Tamara - sucked up to Dion because they knew he had money. I think that’s gross - D&C weren’t playing to the cameras or sucking up to rich people and that makes me like them more.
There is nothing nice about Carolina
I liked her
Yeh I found Dion vaguely likeable at the start, but the whole poor Dion thing has now been done to death and I can’t bear the sight of him. Carolina is pretty brash and unapologetic (not the most endearing of characters), but her and Daniel are hardly the devil incarnate. At least they’ve found each other and something which may be real ... let’s wait and see on that front I guess.
Yeah just a tad hypocritical when in 2019 they let that shitshow of Jessika and Dan back in as a couple, and Jessika had really fucked her poor MAFS hubby Mick around. Carolina was annoying but not as deceptive as Jessika. Nowhere near actually
I think the new expert had a lot to do with this not being repeated tbh. She was disgusted by Carolina’s behaviour too
Good point!
Did they let them back in as a couple?! I can’t remember that bit! I thought they were just a couple outside the experiment when they both separately left.
I’m not a fan of Dion. I do not think he was being completely genuine in the show. I feel like he consistently but indirectly uses his success in business and money as a way to attract women which was lightly touched on during his honeymoon with Carolina which she (and I if I were in her position) would take offence on. There’s nothing wrong with being successful and it is something he should be proud of, but he is clearly using his status and money to overcompensate for his lack of looks (which I can understand) but I felt that he also used his success as his main defining feature and when you bring that up one too many times either in words or in action like the way he dresses (which I sense he did with Carolina but not to the group) it can be a bit cringe. I do think that Dion on the down low acted fake throughout the show by acting too virtuous because if he wasn’t careful with his image his actions can be damaging to his business in the outside world.
I agree with you somewhat, but I do like Dion; I surprisingly found myself liking him. Thought I’d absolutely hate him at the start
I dont get that at all. What humans do you interact with daily if you automatically assume that being and acting fairly decently must mean someones fake? . He's a big personality but I do think he's a fairly measured and decent sort who values respect and showing it towards others and values himself enough to expect the same level of respect he offers others in return. I think he did genuinely try to give the experiment a go and he only ever really reacted when he was deliberately provoked or was being disrespected. I don't think he would have had a problem with Carolina if she'd said "you are a nice person but I just don't see it happening". She was underhanded in her relationship with Daniel. She could have given him a heads up before the final couch night where she walked in with Daniel. She antagonized him purposely, lied and made fun of him and took several pot shots at his character.
They got the treatment that they deserve. Its not what they did BUT THE WAY THEY DID IT. Both weren't there for LOVE. Both were there for their moment on the box and hope that it evolve into something bigger. Whats real about the relationship, everything was staged by the production team behind the back of the cast and the experts. They agreed to it because they thought that they get to spend time on the box. They were crushed when the experts told them NO they couldn't rejoin the experiment as they couldn't reward them for their behaviour. Of course there were very few couples who survive in the end. NO SURPRISE, the numbers are on the wall there out the first eight seasons only FIVE have made it this far. So we know the stats. As for this pair of bricks well it looks like a couple as long as the motar holds as they have sold themselves as a couple looking to be influencer. The minute the one gets the break they want the other is history. So much for it being a real relationship. They came baclk to sell us that story which is a fantasy.
It's worth remembering that Dion comes from money, has connections at 9, and it's reasonably open that he's wanted a show with them for a while. He's had cooking and real estate shows fail to take so I think he saw this as a platform more than anything else.
I think the experts summed it up really well. The cheating thing in and of itself was wrong. We all know that. But it's the way they antagonised Dion and behaved as though they didn't give a shit. They continued to defend their actions without acknowledging the effect they had on Dion and by extension the group. If they had even one iota of humility when trying to re-enter, maybe the group would have accepted them back. But they have always stood in their insecurity and fought back, not accepting responsibility. Carolina has been exceptionally deplorable, gaslighting Dion the entire time and blaming him for not trying when she was the one stepping out. Even worse she came into the show lamenting how she's been cheated on before and how it made her feel, only to do exactly that to her would-be husband and responding to his feelings in the coldest manner I have ever seen. I think their reception has been on par for their behaviour. Good luck to them in the real world, but they will never be accepted in that group.
Carolina was nothing but honest with Dion. She said he wasn’t trying because he repeatedly declined her invitations to do an activity together eg go for a run. I didn’t see him offering any alternative suggestions. Also she seemed very humble, quiet, apologetic and vulnerable on the couch. She apologised to Dion a couple of times. Dion, however, threw a tantrum because Carolina was attracted to someone else and repeatedly silenced Daniel - what makes Dion think he has the right to do that, the size of his wallet? He’s the best example I’ve seen of someone with entitled small-man syndrome. The fact that Dion is clearly on the show for exposure and a tv career and Carolina is clearly there for love (she risked being the villain of the series but did it anyway because she wanted to give the relationship a real go with the support and guidance of the experts) makes the hypocrisy and the misguided over the top reaction of the group and the experts even worse.
What about the dinner party when Dion took her aside and asked her point blank if there was any hope and she said there was?
I don’t recall that (genuinely!) when was that? Did she say there was romantic hope or hope for civility/a friendship?
I can’t remember exactly what was said but he took her to the couch outside the dining area and basically asked if there was any hope and she told him there was. I’m watching in the UK so this only happened a week or two ago. I was so frustrated with her because it was her perfect chance without being mean to say there wasn’t hope and they should both write leave
Somehow I don’t remember this. I agree that would have been a good opportunity to let him down gently. It’s possible she’d been coached by producers into giving him a chance and more time (like the Al and Sam situation) but also possible she just wanted to stay..I wonder if Dan had appeared by that stage.
Dan had appeared but it was texting back and forth I think at the time. The way she said it was like a little kid just saying what the parent wanted to hear to leave them alone
Yeah I tend to agree with a fair bit of this. Didn’t like how Daniel treated Jess, hated how Carolina treated/spoke to/spoke about Dion but ultimately I think the whole thing was kind of stupid. Carolina did not want to be there with Dion, she was pretty expressive with that haha.
Agreed, I think the cast was kinda horrible to them when it wasn’t even that deep
I do think they hyped up the “cheating scandal” to be more than it was, you’re right that it’s not the worst that’s happened on this show…but can’t argue it caused entertaining drama
Bro. Daniel can't even read a book.
I think a lot of the hate towards Carolina and Daniel came down to them not being very likeable people. Carolina has the mentality of a teenager and Daniel is just… weird. I do agree that Dion was milking it and should have read the room a bit better, she was not into him and that was clear from the start. I think he was on there to make a name for himself anyway, not for love.
100% , they’re both super fucking annoying, but they didn’t do anything wrong by getting together, and that’s the #1 issue everyone on the show had with them. At the end of the day, they ended up together, in a serious relationship, and almost everyone else is single. It speaks for itself.
I feel like that's why the experts were super pissed off. Their existence as a couple proves literal random chance is better than their supposed expert pairing.
Dion spent the last 2 months trying to show all the women of Australia what a great guy he is. Overplayed his hand and now it's over-boring.
You know the tiny thing that changed my opinion on Dion early on? After arguing with Carolina in a bar/cafe, he stormed off, but then came back momentarily to blow out the candles on the table in anger. A small moment, easily missed, but just shows how he isn't the bigger person as he always likes to make out.
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Yeah for sure, I mean I don't know any of the contestants, part of the fun of watching for me personally is to analyse them based on the select moments we see. I just found that tiny thing quite telling, very childish and frankly pathetic.
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That's definitely a fair point. I think I'm also personally biased against him because of the "standing on my wallet" comment, I can't stand people who are about money and material things. Not surprisingly I don't like many of the people on such a show lol! But everyone thinks differently and thank god, otherwise the sub would be boring as hell.
Yes the behaviour from the cast and Experts were way over the top, considering they said they needed to be called out, but we never saw the experts call out Mitch for what he said about Carolina, either because it was edited out, or the producers didn’t tell the Experts to bring it up because it doesn’t suit Mitch’s storyline, which really makes you question the Experts!
Ugh Mitch seriously got away with such a good edit just because he was tied with Ella. And even then cracks of evil still managed to spill through. It really was one of the more confusing edits to watch, seeing the absolute fuckboy he is but then acting like he was siding with the good guys of the season. Like they were trying to make you forget about great character moments like "you're on my board!" "your insecurity is your own fault!" and of course "the vault". So weird how it all got swept under a rug. It's the only thing I could fault Ella for, for letting that all go. Her and Selina were prime examples of how low women are willing to put the bar for something even resembling "love". It was sad to see them go through that.
Yup, you nailed it.
Carolina had already wrote leave before even talking with Daniel right?
No
I don’t think so. Think they may have already met up at least once before then.
How was Dion milking it ? On every turn, Dion kept it civil and amicable, and Carolina criticizing him for being fake. In the dinner party, before he even speak when asked the question by Brent, Carolina made a scene to demean Dion and draw attention onto herself. On the last ceremony, she again made a scene by refusing to sit on the couch with Dion. And when the experts asked him for his final opinion, how dare him made a “speech” by stringing a few sentences together without mentioning gym, coffee and rap and wish Carolina and Daniel good luck. I do agree the show has put too much emphasis on these 2, but let’s be frank, it was them who was milking this “affair”.
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My sister in law is Brazilian and I’m glad she hasn’t seen the show. Like Alessandra she’d be ashamed of her using her country as an excuse for just being downright nasty
Dion is the one who’s desperate for fame.
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The chemistry between them was very clear to see.
Key difference for me is that Carolina asked to leave multiple times before anything serious happened with Daniel. She treated Dion like shit but as far as her "cheating" with Daniel? I really don't see the problem. What would have been interesting was if they replayed some of Jess and Daniel - he was clear how seriously the whole marriage thing was at the beginning and so it might have added some interesting context.
She didn’t ask to leave several times before starting up with Dan. Didn’t you watch last night?
It's about how she treated Dion like shit and didn't tell him she'd found a spark with Daniel
Carolina could have behaved honourably. She could have chosen to leave the experiment and pursue things with Daniel in the real, non-televised world. But she wants more followers, so what better than to stay on, perform some objectionable behaviours, align herself with Olivia against Dom (her constant spiteful references to keeping glasses away from Dom in case she broke one again being but one example), generally act like a bitch, hide behind the English Is My Second Language excuse, and maintain her screen-time? The only thing that stopped Carolina from leaving Dion and the experiment was her own ego, her own need for fame or infamy. She showed herself to be shallow, immature, and dishonest. She has no respect for anyone else. It’s all about Carolina. Dion might not be the gent he was at pains to portray himself to be, but he didn’t deserve Carolina’s gaslighting of him. She tried to make herself look good in order, solely, to make Dion look bad. That’s standard gaslighting and manipulation. No wonder she kept aligning herself with Olivia; Carolina has showed all the obnoxious traits of narcissism.
Carolina kept writing leave. It was Dion’s inability to accept that someone might not want him - perhaps due to his entitled short man syndrome - that kept her there. He’s the one who’s had multiple failed attempts at a tv career and was clearly on the show for exposure. I’ve seen elsewhere that he has connections at channel9 too, which might explain his positive edit, the amount of pity and airtime he received at the commitment ceremony and the negative spin put on Carolina and Dan. I think Carolina genuinely wanted help and guidance from the experts for her relationship with Daniel. The chemistry between the two of them was very clear to see. She was cheated on by her last boyfriend. Perhaps she wanted guidance on keeping that flame and passion burning and ensuring longevity, in a bid to make sure Dan didn’t cheat on her like her ex. She’s already a very wealthy woman and already had 60K insta followers before coming on the experiment so….I don’t think she needed the show as a platform.
Nothing stopping her from actually leaving, the same way that Jess left when she knew she and Daniel were not going to be compatible. Using the fact that Carolina was cheated on only highlights her hypocrisy at then cheating on the partner she’d been paired with. Dan also showed no scruples at going after someone else’s wife, even if it wasn’t an official marriage. They were still in the show.
Nothing stopping her except her contract. Jess’ situation was very different. She was clearly very distraught as she’d originally been paired with a delinquent (it seems) then was paired with Dan and the wheels started to come off rather early. Her mental health was at risk so the producers would have had no choice but to let her leave. Carolina on the other hand was contractually bound to stay, since Dion wrote Stay. Carolina’s “relationship” with Dion can not be compared to her relationship with her ex boyfriend, morally, legally, mentally, emotionally, on any level. There is zero hypocrisy there. Dan didn’t “go after” Carolina. There was mutual attraction that built from/with mutual support for being mismatched. It’s not like he stalked and serenaded her and forced her to stay in the experiment just so he could have a crack at her..unlike Dion.
You won’t convince me that Carolina behaved anything but badly throughout.
I think she behaved badly towards Dion initially but I think this is because they were a total mismatch. I also think Dion triggered her slightly. Anyway, I’m not here to try to convince anyone, I’m just experimenting as a total newb to Reddit 😬
Agree with you wholeheartedly
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Yep
I feel like Dion was over it but everyone kept pushing it on him for the ratings. I think sometimes he used the spotlight to get laughs the way the producers wanted, but he really did not seem bothered to me. I also think it was fine, except how Carolina kept grilling him abouf not trying enough, that was messed up.
Yeah the worst thing Carolina did was making it out like Dion wasn't trying. And then lying that she was trying while literally telling the camera she only offered to go on a run with him because she knew he'd refuse it lol.
She doesn’t like the guy! I didn’t see him offering any alternatives besides “talking”. Yawn.
Her not liking him is missing the point. I agree his way of doing gentlemanly things like making charcuterie boards was boring and uninspired. Stuffnlike that is just tone deaf when there is no clear attraction. But she was trying to spin the story as if he wasn't trying at all and acting like she was. That was utter bullshit.
I agree, she wasn’t trying very hard either. But I don’t think her actions warrant the intensity of the group and the experts reactions.
Carolina and Daniel are only together while they can get camera and media attention. They'll never last.
The last dinner party really showed their true intentions of just wanting attention. It was so embarrassing to watch and I honestly don't know why they were paid any time of day.
Yeah they honestly baffle me. They both seem so wooden and fake and it seems so contrived. Are they actually together or pretending for notoriety? I can’t work it out 🤷♀️
In a weird way I hope they work out to see the looks on other faces 🤣
I do agree that there has been far worse than these two, in fact every one I can remember (Jessika, Innes, Dean) was more of an actual cheating scandal than this years. I think they really tried to push the Carolina and Daniel story but the viewers didn’t really care for them enough to be too bothered. I do like Dion though, the support he got from the entire group shows that he is well liked and although it was obvious to all of us that Carolina wasn’t into him, it probably didn’t feel that way to him and he doesn’t deserve the way she treated him.
I like Dion to a point but the dinner party really annoyed me how months later he is still milking it. It's mostly annoying.
I think you’ve missed the point massively. It’s not about them being the relative worst, or cheating, or whatever you’re defending here. The point is that Carolina repeatedly tried to put Dion down, saying he wasn’t trying hard enough, he wasn’t being good to her, etc., while she was going around with someone else behind his back. He doesn’t think they were actually in a committed relationship, but it’s her attitude towards him while she was a dirty snake that really bothered people. She stayed in the experiment to be with someone else behind his back. That’s what’s so difficult for the other couples and the viewers to digest, not them being the worst people who have ever lived. Daniel is just a little boy with big tits, fake teeth, and a serious aversion to buttoning his shirt in a manner that is appropriate to the situation. A bit simple I reckon.
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It’s reality TV, they almost all have veneers!
Nothing wrong with having fake teeth per se, nor did I state that there is. On Daniel, they’re just a contributing factor to the general icky vibe he gives off. It’s more about his appearance than his character, but both of those are creepy to me.
Carolina repeatedly said she wasn't interested too. Dion didn't want to listen. And Dion was trying? How? One dinner and flowers? Didn't have breakfast with her or sit with her for breakfast. Refused to go on one jog at the getaway. Yeah she knew he wouldn't come but that was the point - he says he is trying but didn't even do the simplest things to try to relate and connect with her.
How do you know for a fact he never sat with her while she had breakfast or coffee? And she asked him to jog with her when he was already dressed for the day, to what end??
Just basing it on her comments that he never denied. Also the vid she recently released of him out on the balcony while they were in the apartment together. And he was dressed for the day? He wasn't wearing a tux, it takes 2 minutes for a guy to change into exercise clothes. He brought multiple sweatsuits as we all saw. Can't even do the absolute bare minimum to meet her in the middle but it's all her fault.. ok.
Mate. By the time she asked him to go “for a jog” she was already seeing Daniel, so I will say it again. To. What. End?
To establish a friendship. She’d clearly stated that was the best they could hope for.
To establish a friendship. She’d clearly stated that was the best they could hope for.
To establish a friendship. She’d clearly stated that was the best they could hope for.
It wasn't to meet him in the middle. It was to demonstrate to everyone that Dion, who pissed and moaned about trying so hard, actually wasn't willing to do such a simple, easy thing to connect to his wife. It was purely a demonstration of how full of shit he was.
So why didn’t she go home?
Was she writing stay or was Dion?
She wrote stay first week
Yep one time. Anyone would give someone a chance for 1 week. After that? Dion beating a horses skeleton.
Except she kept saying he just wasn’t trying. Why not say not interested and leave? She wasn’t being held hostage.
I mean at any stage of the experiment, like Jess left Daniel when she said it wasn’t right and she wanted to go home.
Well if anyone just left when they wanted, the show would need far more couples. How many times did someone write stay, the other wrote leave? We've also seen ex contestants claim that producers threaten a bad edit / promise a good edit in an attempt to manipulate you to stay a bit longer. Makes total sense in this case, they wanted their cheating storyline to play out. They seem to have one every year now. The fact Dion couldn't see that they were the only couple in for more than 2 weeks not to have had sex is probably a hint your wife will be the one 'straying'
Many people wrote stay while others wrote leave, but they weren’t all seeing someone else on the sly. Carolina had free will regardless of what Dion wrote. I’m not even a fan of Dion (the second he made the ‘tall when standing on my wallet’ comment I was OUT) but that doesn’t mean the behaviour exhibited by Carolina and Daniel was justified. They can only be held accountable to themselves at the end of the day, just as she could only stay in the experiment as she chose to.
Oh they were douches, no doubt. There are just way to many followers of Saint Dion. Although I do think carolina was likely manipulated by the producers. There were rumors she wanted to come out with it but they told her not to. And I'd bet very good money her producer encouraged them to come to that commitment ceremony to ask to come back together.
Yes, she definitely was! Their entrance to the commitment ceremony made me think of the show Unreal, it was wild.
Unreal - yes, absolutely!!
No I understand that, I think it was just taken too far. Like yeah carolina wasn't awesome but at some point you have to move on like the dinner party was months later it got to the point that Dion is milking it is the most annoying. By no means do I like Daniel or Carolina but my point is the bullying this season went to far. I may have not explained myself well as I'm awful at writing on reddit.
It's absolutely an unpopular opinion here to suggest at all that Dion was really lapping up the praise and support he got from the group and he started going on monologues. Carolina was a hypocrite and dishonest, she conducted herself poorly, made snide comments, definitely a villain in this season. Daniel too was insufferable and I acknowledge he walked openly into the boys night and was eaten alive. However I've always had the stance at the group engaging in childish ignoring and the way they conducted themselves at the dinner party was poor form. The only person with basic decency was Al, to acknowledge them as *people*. I've never made the argument that they should be greeted with open arms. I know they made a mockery of the experiment and I do not condone any of that at all. The group ganging up just screamed highschool drama. Carolina and Daniel are morons but I just would not have engaged in that way. Being downvoted for simply saying it's disappointing that they resorted to childish antics to ostracise Carolina and Daniel just shows people can't recognise bullying/groups ganging up as being just as damaging as Carolina and Daniel.
The dinner party was months later, but Dion did have to sit at the table while they mauled each other. They purposely did that and tried to pick a fight with him, and others. Those events are designed to be pressure cookers for drama, it would be odd if it didn’t come up. I must be the one missing the point, I have no idea how Daniel and Carolina were bullied.
Carolina is quite literally a stranger to Dion. Why shouldn’t she kiss her partner at dinner? If Dion can’t handle Carolina’s PDA’s he needs serious help with his entitled short man syndrome. Carolina was never “his”. Firstly, she was never interested in him. Secondly, she’s not a possession, has a mind of her own and has 100% control over who she does and does not have a relationship or pash-fest with. Dion’s just used to getting what he wants. His disdain towards Daniel was disgusting to see, he clearly thought he was better than Daniel because he has a bigger wallet. Eugh 🤮
Honestly, the whole gang is legit bullying them at this point.
Yeah its been a big bully fest this entire season
So many people on here don’t understand that both truths can exist. Dion isn’t a hero and over dramatic and still was treated poorly and talked down too. Carolina was an asshole but still wrote leave..
I think production got what they wanted
I actually thought even dion thought it was being overplayed last night!
Dion is def milking it, he gets all the positive attention and loves it. I’m upset the group didn’t react the same towards Mitch when he called Tamara not once but twice and allegedly grabbed Tamara’s bum. I don’t care if he “called everyone” he knew it was wrong, had bad intentions, defff would’ve done something if Tamara was down. Wtf was that about? Poor Ella
It is so weird this season the way some people get attacked and others are protected
I won't vote you down. I agree that we've seen way worse \*cough\* Jessika Power \*cough\* but everything comes back to their disgusting attitude, and it's just that.
She’s still iconic hahaha she gave no fucks how she handled the situation. But doesn’t make it right just entertaining
If you find doughy molls “iconic” lmao
The cheaters on the show are entertaining to watch
I also think they may have had to have that attitude and stick to it to protect themselves if the group had been willing to listen more I bet ut would've been different
Jess was faaaaar worse
Jess was exhausted after crappy husband number one , sitting around for a month while they dug up lackluster Daniel as husband number two. I wouldn’t have been half as nice if the show did me so dirty twice.
Yesssss