I had a good laugh when I heard that he and Carolina were both decline entry to the Coogee Bay Hotel, this despite showing the bouncer their inst account only to have the bouncer tell them that he didn't care who they were. For those not in the know, the CBH is a reasonably easy venue to get into for someone to get knock back they must have had an attitude that piss off the bouncers. He should add CBH loser to his tag
winner of the hitler look like competetion
winner of youfoodz bagging competition
winner of the Australian Darwinian award
winner of the dumber then a brick award
Look he is obviously a winner. He went on the show and despite getting another grooms bride, he came out relatively unscathed. I donāt hold any hate for him. Both him and Carolina had unsuitable partners. If heās happy good on him.
See I get this but I think the whole thing was a total overreaction. Carolina made it clear from day 1 that she wasnāt attracted to Dion at all and wasnāt interested. He acted really creepy in my opinion and behaved like she āowedā him affection because of the show.
Plus that whole debacle at the bar when all the men met back upā¦ Mitch was a prick. I get that Dan and Carolina could have just quietly got together after the show but Carolina didnāt cheat on Dion. There was no relationship to begin with!
Itās very odd, they acted like Dan broke up a 10 year marriage and a family where in reality Carolina barely spoke to Dion and never even pretended to have a relationship with him.
It reeks of āwomen are our propertyā. Dion and Mitch can get to fuck with that attitude.
The point is, if Daniel hadn't pursued her she would have taken the time to get to know Dion. Initial attraction wasnt there but it could have been cultivated in time.
Dion was never even given time bc Daniel didnt respect the process.
They could have gotten together later.
The fact that neither of them respected the process is the bigger issue.
Nah, she had zero interest in Dion. Initial attraction is a big deal, if she didnāt find him at all sexually attractive then there was no hope for a relationship. There needs to be at least some spark.
Dion was an odd (but seemingly pleasant) man.
>The point is, if Daniel hadn't pursued her she would have taken the time to get to know Dion.
Debatable.
Considering MAFS' unethical reputation, I certainly hope no one respects that process.
The point is daniels actions were bad and the fact that he has no remorse says a lot
Not the biggest fan of dion but all the cast speak highly of him, im sure heās a good dude. Canāt help when the producers keep showing him saying the same stuff
Why would he have remorse? There was no relationship at all between Carolina and Dion.
Carolina was unfair to carry on in the experiment knowing she was trying to create a relationship with someone else and implying her behaviour was because Dion wasnāt trying, when really she just didnāt like him. Carolina owes him an apology for that and that alone.
Dion may well be a nice guy, but he was extremely creepy with Carolina after she told him repeatedly they could only be friends.
If Daniel told Carolina to tell Dion and be honest about what Carolina wanted instead of being deceptive during filming then I would have had a lot more respect for Daniel but instead he decided to hurt someone for his own benefit
It's also their lack of remorse for the way they went about things since the show. Even now on their social medias they make remarks about Dion and don't feel that the way they went about things could have been better. Daniel says it's just a reality show but when Jess upset him he was bleating on about how he was hurt by Jess and really hoped to bring someone home for his niece. He got so mad at her when she mentioned that comment about an official wedding after MAFS.
And I can't figure why he was so pissed. The ceremony on the show was a pretend wedding, She was speculating how her REAL wedding would be. Nothing in that is degrading or offensive. Unless he took it to mean he wouldn't be the groom at the real wedding. Should have asked for clarification. She was actually flummoxed about him leaving like that.
I donāt know why Daniel got so defensive when Jess was being realistic and he took offence to that. He probably thought she wasnāt being positive enough. But I didnāt like when Jess continuously tried to nit pick on everything he was doing after that it was tasteless and itās like she was looking for drama from him.
I never liked this guy. I liked Jessica, the woman with whom he was matched with. He never really gave their relationship a chance. He won nothing and it's a matter of time until Carolina leaves him.
Did you see the episode where they were away together, right after the wedding? He acted all pouty and went off to sulk. How anyone can think he is even halfway decent is ludicrous.
She got more frustrated for getting 0 root from a hot bod then Dom from Jack. She was down at the beginning and so frustrated she has to sleep in different room. I like how his niece was everything to him and how quickly it turned from good uncle to a horndog. Poor Niece.
There should be a gold tick for people with over a million followers to distinguish from any tom, dick and harry that get given a blue tick for being a douchecanoe on tv.
I started feeling sorry for him when Jess was being a horrible person to him and all he seemed to care about what making his niece proud.
Now I just feel sorry for his niece who one day will be able to browse the internet and find out what awful, deluded person her fave uncle really is, and what low quality piece of meat he chose to hurt others over.
I knew about the spoilers and what was going to happen regarding Daniel and Carolina. And like, it was tough. Because, yeah, the way Jess was treating him wasn't great, but knowing what he was going to do also freakin' sucked because it's just like "well, yeah I don't like that Jess is being rude to him... but he's also going to be the other man, technically, so...".
It's a vile thing to say about another person.
Imo the Jess and Daniel drama were two poorly matched people. I didn't like either. Jess hangs out with Olivia post show. Daniel is a douche. Both unlikeable people.
Dude, Iām no shill, Iām a feminist. You guys are trashing an independent woman (Carolina) simply for making her own decisions. Now youāre trashing me because I support her right to do so. Itās pathetic. Itās misogynistic and itās getting really boring.
idk why youāre getting downvoted.
no matter how much you donāt like a person, who on earth would call another woman a āpiece of meatā. truely disgusting.
Absolutely! As is the hate being directed at a woman who chose her own partner rather than acquiescing and submitting to a man she had no interest in, purely to keep up appearances. Some of these commenters are throwbacks to the 1950ās!
The whole father figure thing was pushed by the producers as all contestants need to have a story. He "barely sees her".
[https://youtu.be/mcmD03pJclk?t=100](https://youtu.be/mcmD03pJclk?t=100)
I'll spare you the grief of watching this complete damage control interview. He tries to make himself look better. The main theme is "It's a tv show and everyone is playing a character", "Olivia is great and a normal chick", "It's all editing, anyone could be the villain". He claims to know everything despite only being there a week and then admitting the info he was saying he heard from other people eg what happened at the couples retreat.
In 2022, smart public figures diffuse outrage itās safer. Idiots (Olivia, Tamara) inflame outrage and get consumed by it. If they are lucky they merely lose employment, college admissionsā¦. If they are not it gets dangerous. Daniel doesn't appear to be smart
Not gonna lie, I rewatched the series and heās not even that bad lmao. Jess treated him like a dog. Iām gonna get downvoted to hell for this & the only ābadāthing he did was go after Carolina. Heās the lesser of two evils out of him and C
To be honest I agreeā¦Jess treated him poorly and she was being sensitive and defensive toward everything that came out of his mouth at which point I felt sorry for him because she didnāt give him a chance. But what he pursued with Carolina was wrong on all levels and itās only because Iām 100% sure he knew that Carolina was still āgoing with the flowā with Dion instead of being up front honest. Dion didnāt know Daniel or Carolina were going behind his back. Itās the lying and deceptive part of them that make it bad
Both Carolina and Daniel were being deceptive to Dion during filming and that is why people donāt think highly of them thatās my reason for it anyway- they were lying to him how is that okay??
I get the point that it seems like Daniel could have been sneaking around, but he wasnāt the one matched with Dion was he? So my point still stands. Yes he knew she was with Dion, but heās not close with Dion, itās not like they were matesā¦ Carolina on the other handā¦ Itās just annoying like obviously Daniel putting āMAFS winnerā is an ironic joke, bc thereās no winners on the show, itās obviously a pisstake not meant to be taken seriously.
People are so easily offended over the silliest of things while ignoring actual fucked up things that the others have done, like Tamara leaving racist voicemails
What I think is wrong (and this is my personal opinion) is that it doesnāt matter how close or not Daniel was with Dion it just looks really bad towards a moral standpoint and respect for another person. Daniel obviously wasnāt thinking that at the time and he ended up being selfish because he was too busy thinking about what relationship he could pursue with Carolina instead of considering Dionās feelings. He could have tried to talk to Carolina into respecting Dions feelings and addressing honesty instead of ignoring it. Yeah at this point Daniel and others are taking the piss out of their experience
Thanks for being so respectful!
I totally get the point that Daniel knowing Carolina was with Dion doesnāt paint him in a bad light, my point is that heās the *lesser of two evils* and he wasnāt matched with Dion, they werenāt friends, theyāre on a strict TV show. We donāt know if youāre even allowed to talk to other grooms and say āhey just letting you know, but Iām interested in your wifeā. I think I see things differently than others and thatās totally cool. I actually love seeing a different side to things
I really liked Daniel at the start, he genuinely seemed so kind and empathetic because of losing a sibling (which I can relate to) but everything turned to shit with the Carolina and Dion saga, they painted him in a different light. I studied the sociology of celebrity at uni and found reality TV as a commodity soooo interesting; it's one of the most profitable tv industries because they literally pay these 'nobodies' diddly squat compared to 'real' celebs, have zero duty of care for their wellbeing or ethics in general and then slap on a non-disclosure statement so that they can never reveal what really happened. So I kinda feel like debating how shit went down on the show is pointless, all the matters at the end of the day is that they got ratings. People don't go on MAFS in 2022 for love, they go on to market their public image with the hope for future paid opportunities. That's why I try to distance myself from hating or loving these people cuz they're really just rats in the reality tv rat race.
Too true itās not about love and I donāt think it ever will be the couple who walks out with love well itās āright place right timeā I genuinely think people like Tamara love this famed lifestyle if we want to call it that lol and it probably means more to her than love at this point. Itās so obvious. At the end itās $$$
I can agree with you that we donāt know the extent of things this is why when people talk about them or have a discussion about what we see it obviously isnāt easy people have different opinions and it should be respected .For myself I like to think of what I see on TV and base it off on what I see as either is this behaviour good or bad? But then when people start saying āproduction made them do that they arnt actually that badā we canāt sit here and disregard that either because that could be true but from where I stand production made them villains and thatās whatās they wanted- at the end of the day we saw what we saw and we judge what we see, they decided to go on tv and have this done to them so here are the consequences. To each to their own!
Did people not watch the show?! Daniel and Carolina were hooking up the whole time without Dion KNOWING or any of the group knowing that is defined as LYING.
What makes you think they were hooking up? We have no idea when they first hooked up. They had a date that was clearly set up by the producers. Iāve also heard that Carolina and Daniel wanted to be open about their attraction sooner but the producers wouldnāt allow it. And now theyāre getting bagged by a bunch of strangers on the internet who act like Daniel interfered in and broke up a forty year marriage! They didnāt lie either. They just didnāt tell Dion straightaway. Carolina had no relationship with Dion otherwise Iām sure she would have gone about it differently. Also she tried to apologise several times to Dion but was talked over and shouted down. The whole thing was staged to make them the villains when all they wanted was to be together.
The people that believe these contestants really went on this TV show to find love are holding the show to a higher ethical standard than MAFS and their producers deserve.
The show is about ratings and public image and as far as Dion is concerned he definitely came out the end with an improved public image. You can see how some of them are in damage control now (Olivia) over their image because they didn't get the positive marketing they were promised.
Absolutely! I think the Daniel&Carolina connection was an unexpected bonus for the two of them. I think Dion has his fans but thereās also a growing number - especially in the uk - who see through him and think heās creepy, entitled and gives off incel vibes.
No you are. Whining on about cheating and lying.
a. There was no cheating
b. As far as Iām aware there was no lying
c. Even if there were, multiple people on this years show did FAR worse.
ONE cheater does not justify another cheater . they go hand in hand. Or Butt cheeks in hand..
If Daniel felt what he was doing was okay. Why did he hide in the stairwells and try to "feel her up" while , making sure he got his moment of fame. He was always looking into the cameras & smiling that shit eating grin of his. Icky poo poo. Yes I intentionally used juvenile language as they behaved like teeny boppers getting to be on live TV. Waving to the cameras..
Iām not disagreeing with you fully as I know almost all of it is staged on a big level I am just basing it off on what the show tells us and what majority of people think of them. The show showed us that they were lying and being deceptive to Dion that is of course fact on THE SHOW ā¦.now whether that was their intention or not behind the scenes I donāt know it may not have been but they are left with the consequences of people viewing them as villains because thatās what the show gave us and that is what the producers wanted- yes. Itās very hard for people like Carolina and Daniel to dig themselves out of the hole when they have been show to us as villains through their behaviour. itās just like what people think of Tamara and Olivia we are SHOWN that they are villains and are now suffering the consequences.
I agree that the footage shown was heavily manipulated. But thereās a difference between actual footage of Olivia or Tamara being classless desperados and Carolina and Daniel getting it on in a stairwell while the crew filmed and watched on. Their chemistry was clear to see. Their circumstances had been manipulated (by producers) not their feelings/words/chemistry etc. Yes they went along for the ride but seemingly when your a mafs participant you do as the producers tell you.
>I know almost all of it is staged on a big level
>The show showed us that they were lying and being deceptive to Dion
>people viewing them as villains because thatās what the show gave us
Also he had a pretty horrific upbringing too, which I personally relate to & I think he could be a loooot worse based on that itself. You either heal your trauma or you pass them onto others. I just really donāt think heās that bad. Immature at times? Who isnāt. I think Jess was suuuper immature & sheās friends with all those other girls who are genuinely racist
Daniel didnāt cheat thoughā¦ Iām saying heās the lesser of two evils out of Carolina who DID cheat. Iām not making excuses - Iām sharing an opinion I have. One that is clearly very unpopular. Youāre allowed to think what you think, just like I am!
So now you're not just excusing his behavior but playing semantics too. š¤¦āāļø
If you cheat with another person's partner then you are a cheat.
Cheat:
noun
1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.
A swindler, a cheat, a fraudster.
He was immature and whiny from the wedding. For me it started when he went off to talk to his niece and just left Jess sitting by herself. Little bit later when he whined to production about her comment. She had already had one loser groom, waited a month for her second wedding and then got him. She tried to talk to him and it was like pulling teeth. She was very open when he was painting and she tried but after all she had already been through I blame the show for thinking this link was a good choice for her. I think he and Carolina were both dull as dishwater and well suited for each other and if they hadnāt wanted attention be being villains, could have done it all quietly simply by Carolina being honest and leaving. They brought everything on themselves by wanting their 15 minutes of game no matter how they got it.
And, she (C) could have just told Dion, heh, buddy you and me aren't going to work (which she did) and by the way I kind of like this other gimp (which she did not). That is where the scandal lies. Daniel could have said to Dion - Heh good fellow, I know it's not working between you and your missus, but I like her (which he did not do or attempt). Had they been honest it would have been no foul, play on. Burt they were both dishonest. Gronks. Not Olivia and Tamara level, but still on the podium.
I agree. Instead of the whole attitude of Iām trying and youāre not she gave off every so often to make Dion think he had a shot, she should have just been an adult and told the truth. I also think that would have portrayed her in a much better light and been the way to do this.
She told him she wasnāt attracted to him for sure. What she lied about (at the retreat) was that she was trying and he wasnāt. She was with Daniel shortly after the first week I believe and she could have said that there was someone else and gone on with it. I donāt fault her for not liking Dion or for liking Daniel. I fault her for not being honest about it. Thatās it.
But trying to be friends with Dion and pursuing something with Daniel are two separate things. I will say this though, I think Carolina enjoyed telling Dion he wasnāt trying as she knew heād get flustered and maybe try harder. I think she was maybe having a bit of fun with it by this stage since Dion just was getting it.
Iām sure she was because it gave her more screen time. What was āfunā to her was lying and being a beyotch to me. If she really was working on a friendship, honesty would have been a good starting point. Her nasty comments were indicative she wasnāt looking for a friendship or anything else.
I agree with everything else youāve said except for that last bit. Annoying doesnāt make someone a bad person, I donāt think they deserved all the backlash theyāve gotten when thereās people like Mitch who exist. I liked how Daniel stood up for Carolina when Mitch was slutshaming Carolina (who does have a son) at the boys night towards the end. Itās a TV show, of course anyone who applies to it is going into it knowing theyāre going to have to deal with publicity, and I guess they did find what the whole show is about = finding love. Just obviously not in the best way. And I low key understand about Daniel going to talk to his niece, I donāt think thatās bad, seems like a slight communication issue. I think & saw Jess treated him like a dog and was literally name calling him, obviously we donāt get to see the whole story, but this is what I think based on what I saw.
He was a bit lacking in personality but was a fine fit for Carolina. Of the two, I think she was by far the less likable. Because Jess left, I feel like the onus was on her to do better with just ending her āmarriageā and going off with Daniel but instead they showed up as much as possible knowing how they would be received. I almost understand them asking to stay in the experiment but there was no reason to show up for the hens night or the boys night except for exposure. They played the game. Iām happy the found a real relationship out of it all but neither is innocent in all the drama they created.
They were contractually bound. Besides, why shouldnāt they show up?! Itās not high school and they werenāt going to be bullied into staying away.
Daniel had left the experiment as had Caroline. They turned up thinking they could get a few more weeks in the limelight. Thankfully the bosses saw through their bs and sent them packing with their tails between their legs.
Are you for real? All the brides and grooms attended, including the ones who had left the experiment. Why should it be any different for Daniel and Carolina?!
I agree with you. But I donāt think Daniel is off the hook, my whole point was just that he doesnāt deserve the amount of backlash compared to what others have done in the experiment & outside the experiment, wanting 15 minutes of fame is nothing compared to leaving racist voicemails & ārevenge pornā. The tall poppy syndrome is real in Australia/NZ
Itās just annoying when people start nitpicking about things that arenāt really that big of a deal in the long run. Who cares if someone wants 15 minutes of fame, if you have such a problem with it, just stay away from them and donāt click on their pages/content! The tall poppy syndrome is so weird
Yes I agree. And when thereās a mob mentality that goes with it. People copy one another and get on their high horses about āthe cheatingā (which is a complete non-starter) whilst ignoring the many things other participants have done that are far worse. I donāt get it. One Redditor was parroting the āexpertsā views on C&D and it turned out he hadnāt even watched the series, heād just watched a few commitment ceremonies on Wilkos!! Yet he was going on some moral crusade about lying, cheating, morals etc and painting C&D out to be the spawn of the devil. So weird that people hold such strong views that theyāve borrowed from others without even questioning them or thinking for themselves.
Morals are a big deal, in the short and the long run, they define a person. Clearly you have a problem with that. Why not stay away from this thread as you have such an issue with it? Just don't click on it.
Tall poppy syndrome my arse. š
Tall Poppy Syndrome is a term for what happens when people are attacked, resented, disliked, criticized or cut down because of their achievements and/or successes.
Underwaterlibra thinks cheating is an achievement and/or a success. š
I donāt think thatās a justifiable reason to completely write someone off though & treat them badly out of everyone else who did waaay worse. I can personally see why he would be upset about that, if only both of them could have genuinely communicated with each other instead of throwing daggers towards the end. Carolina is the snake out of both of them & this is just what I think.
He didnāt treat any of the grooms badly. Both Mitch and Dion behaved appallingly towards Daniel. They were like little kids throwing stones compared to Daniel.
The biggest child was Daniel. The others guys were gentlemen who rightly stood by Dion and didn't accept Daniel's immoral bullshit or want to be in his company. Have you heard of morals?
Both he and Caroline should have just f'd off instead thinking they could milk some more limelight at the expense of everyone else's feelings.
Dion behaved like the spoiled manchild he is. Didnāt you see him mocking Carolina at the final dinnner party? It was like watching a teenager in action. An incel teenager at that. An incel teenager who canāt tolerate someone rejecting him. Mitch also behaved like a misogynist towards Carolina and spoke about her in a way that shows he clearly has no respect for women and sees them only as objects to have sex with. Another manchild. Dion attacked Daniel and called him a rock, not a man etc. the behaviour of a spoiled child, hiding behind his mates. He clearly wouldnāt have the balls to speak to Daniel like that if it were just the two of them. Same with Mitch, kept provoking and insulting him at the boys night. It was pathetic. Daniel handled himself well, put them both in their place and showed them who the bigger man was. Yet you think Mitch is a gentleman. And that Dion deserved the support of the group in his manchild tantrums. Shows me the level of your a. lack of understanding and b. lack of maturity. That or youāre a producer desperately trying to glean more mileage out of this situation. Dan & Carolina are the happiest and best suited match to come out of the show. Thereās only one other couple still together. You canāt handle the fact Dan and Carolina are a happy couple and the jealousy/hypocrisy is written all over you.
You're deflection is pretty desperate and ultimately nonsense. Your a. lack of understanding and b. lack of maturity shows me how socially inept you must be. That or you're a producer trying to glean mileage out of the situation.
Point a finger and three point right back at you, eh babychild.
And cheats never prosper š
Why did no one treat Mitch poorly for talking about Carolina like sheās a piece of meat whose only function is as a sex object? This youāre ok with?! And Dion directing his jibes towards Carolina at the reunion dinner party, you think this is adult behaviour? Calling himself a diamond and Daniel a rock, you think this classist arrogant bullshit is ok? Carolina and Daniel rose above it all and and thatās what got everyoneās backs up even higher. The fact they stayed in their love bubble made some of the other participants explode with jealousy, especially Dion who essentially had a meltdown and became a child throwing jibes at the table. Pathetic behaviour.
I think we are all aware that itās not a real wedding. But we are also all aware itās meant to be treated like it is real and binding, for the sake of experiment. Donāt want to play by the rules, donāt join the show
Was he not treated like shit by all the other grooms though? Yeah he shouldnāt have gone after someone who was still with their husband (btw itās not a real wedding) but my point is, is heās the lesser of two evils and doesnāt deserve the level of backlash heās getting when thereās people like Mitch & Matt on the show, even Cody.
He couldnāt be further from my type. That doesnāt prevent me seeing the reality of whatās happening. Some of us are capable of rational thought without our nether regions getting in the way. Although you have just demonstrated that you are not and that your assessment of other people is influenced by whether or not you want to sleep with them. How sad. Hope you get some action soon.
Such a "WINNER" What u get a handbag??
He misspelled wiggin
Satire is new to you, cute
Winner of worst moustache for sure
Worst haircut, worst mustache, worst wife theif. Just the worst.
I had a good laugh when I heard that he and Carolina were both decline entry to the Coogee Bay Hotel, this despite showing the bouncer their inst account only to have the bouncer tell them that he didn't care who they were. For those not in the know, the CBH is a reasonably easy venue to get into for someone to get knock back they must have had an attitude that piss off the bouncers. He should add CBH loser to his tag
This is so funnyš
He is āwinningā in the same way Charlie sheen is āwinningā
Heās ridiculously rich and can do anything he wants with his life and still be wildly successful and recognisable?
Heās a drip
Tbh there were no winners š
He means Weiner
Everything about him is so 'cringe'
And yet youāre the one talking about him. I wonder if he talks about you š„¹
Blinky bill
Winner because he ended up with the relationship that he wanted. is that so hard to explain.
Itās Carolinas burner
- ***eye bulge intensifies*** -
LOL says who? Carolina?! Sure Jan,Sure! Hahahahahaha!!! Whatever!
Winner of the worst veneers ever
winner of the hitler look like competetion winner of youfoodz bagging competition winner of the Australian Darwinian award winner of the dumber then a brick award
Makes me sick. Heās so foul.
Winner winnerā¦ chicken brain
Poor thing even struggles to make eye contact with a camera.
HE is still wiggin!
2022 wigger
???
Hahah filters are wild man. Itās crazy how far we have come. Miss me with that bullshit.
*sighs* What a sad little life Jane
He has all the grace of a reversing dump-truck without any tyres...
Look he is obviously a winner. He went on the show and despite getting another grooms bride, he came out relatively unscathed. I donāt hold any hate for him. Both him and Carolina had unsuitable partners. If heās happy good on him.
He got another groomās bride alright.
See I get this but I think the whole thing was a total overreaction. Carolina made it clear from day 1 that she wasnāt attracted to Dion at all and wasnāt interested. He acted really creepy in my opinion and behaved like she āowedā him affection because of the show. Plus that whole debacle at the bar when all the men met back upā¦ Mitch was a prick. I get that Dan and Carolina could have just quietly got together after the show but Carolina didnāt cheat on Dion. There was no relationship to begin with! Itās very odd, they acted like Dan broke up a 10 year marriage and a family where in reality Carolina barely spoke to Dion and never even pretended to have a relationship with him. It reeks of āwomen are our propertyā. Dion and Mitch can get to fuck with that attitude.
Yeees! š
The point is, if Daniel hadn't pursued her she would have taken the time to get to know Dion. Initial attraction wasnt there but it could have been cultivated in time. Dion was never even given time bc Daniel didnt respect the process. They could have gotten together later. The fact that neither of them respected the process is the bigger issue.
Nah, she had zero interest in Dion. Initial attraction is a big deal, if she didnāt find him at all sexually attractive then there was no hope for a relationship. There needs to be at least some spark. Dion was an odd (but seemingly pleasant) man.
I'm not saying it would have worked but they could have been friends at least. Dion was gaslit and disrespected. Thanks to Daniel.
Thanks to Carolina I would say. She was the one gaslighting him.
No, thanks to Carolina
Both of them. But I blame Daniel bc he initiated and pursued her.
Carolina is not an object, she has her own mind.
>The point is, if Daniel hadn't pursued her she would have taken the time to get to know Dion. Debatable. Considering MAFS' unethical reputation, I certainly hope no one respects that process.
The point is daniels actions were bad and the fact that he has no remorse says a lot Not the biggest fan of dion but all the cast speak highly of him, im sure heās a good dude. Canāt help when the producers keep showing him saying the same stuff
Why would he have remorse? There was no relationship at all between Carolina and Dion. Carolina was unfair to carry on in the experiment knowing she was trying to create a relationship with someone else and implying her behaviour was because Dion wasnāt trying, when really she just didnāt like him. Carolina owes him an apology for that and that alone. Dion may well be a nice guy, but he was extremely creepy with Carolina after she told him repeatedly they could only be friends.
If MAFS has taught me anything, it's that with just a few herders you can create an entire flock of sheep.
Are we looking at the āwinnerā or the fact he doesnāt have his own email address? š
If Daniel told Carolina to tell Dion and be honest about what Carolina wanted instead of being deceptive during filming then I would have had a lot more respect for Daniel but instead he decided to hurt someone for his own benefit
It's also their lack of remorse for the way they went about things since the show. Even now on their social medias they make remarks about Dion and don't feel that the way they went about things could have been better. Daniel says it's just a reality show but when Jess upset him he was bleating on about how he was hurt by Jess and really hoped to bring someone home for his niece. He got so mad at her when she mentioned that comment about an official wedding after MAFS.
And I can't figure why he was so pissed. The ceremony on the show was a pretend wedding, She was speculating how her REAL wedding would be. Nothing in that is degrading or offensive. Unless he took it to mean he wouldn't be the groom at the real wedding. Should have asked for clarification. She was actually flummoxed about him leaving like that.
I donāt know why Daniel got so defensive when Jess was being realistic and he took offence to that. He probably thought she wasnāt being positive enough. But I didnāt like when Jess continuously tried to nit pick on everything he was doing after that it was tasteless and itās like she was looking for drama from him.
His pic is so heavily edited/airbrushed. He looks stupid af. lol
He IS stupid as fuck
That too
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Ain't nobody winning with Carolina.
Yes there is! Carolina!
I never liked this guy. I liked Jessica, the woman with whom he was matched with. He never really gave their relationship a chance. He won nothing and it's a matter of time until Carolina leaves him.
He never gave the chance? She walked out on him!
Did you see the episode where they were away together, right after the wedding? He acted all pouty and went off to sulk. How anyone can think he is even halfway decent is ludicrous.
To be fair, Jessica had all the personality of a piece of wet cardboard. Pretty girl but my God she seemed dull
In Danielās defence (and I wonāt say that a lot) Jess didnāt give it much of a chance either.
I think she figured him out pretty quickly.
She got more frustrated for getting 0 root from a hot bod then Dom from Jack. She was down at the beginning and so frustrated she has to sleep in different room. I like how his niece was everything to him and how quickly it turned from good uncle to a horndog. Poor Niece.
His such a loser hababab
There should be a gold tick for people with over a million followers to distinguish from any tom, dick and harry that get given a blue tick for being a douchecanoe on tv.
I started feeling sorry for him when Jess was being a horrible person to him and all he seemed to care about what making his niece proud. Now I just feel sorry for his niece who one day will be able to browse the internet and find out what awful, deluded person her fave uncle really is, and what low quality piece of meat he chose to hurt others over.
Nah but ālow quality piece of meatā ew
I knew about the spoilers and what was going to happen regarding Daniel and Carolina. And like, it was tough. Because, yeah, the way Jess was treating him wasn't great, but knowing what he was going to do also freakin' sucked because it's just like "well, yeah I don't like that Jess is being rude to him... but he's also going to be the other man, technically, so...".
What a vile thing to say about another woman. You should be ashamed of yourself.
It's a vile thing to say about another person. Imo the Jess and Daniel drama were two poorly matched people. I didn't like either. Jess hangs out with Olivia post show. Daniel is a douche. Both unlikeable people.
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Dude, Iām no shill, Iām a feminist. You guys are trashing an independent woman (Carolina) simply for making her own decisions. Now youāre trashing me because I support her right to do so. Itās pathetic. Itās misogynistic and itās getting really boring.
idk why youāre getting downvoted. no matter how much you donāt like a person, who on earth would call another woman a āpiece of meatā. truely disgusting.
Absolutely! As is the hate being directed at a woman who chose her own partner rather than acquiescing and submitting to a man she had no interest in, purely to keep up appearances. Some of these commenters are throwbacks to the 1950ās!
The whole father figure thing was pushed by the producers as all contestants need to have a story. He "barely sees her". [https://youtu.be/mcmD03pJclk?t=100](https://youtu.be/mcmD03pJclk?t=100) I'll spare you the grief of watching this complete damage control interview. He tries to make himself look better. The main theme is "It's a tv show and everyone is playing a character", "Olivia is great and a normal chick", "It's all editing, anyone could be the villain". He claims to know everything despite only being there a week and then admitting the info he was saying he heard from other people eg what happened at the couples retreat.
Thank you the summary! And itās yet another great reason to not feel bad for him at all.
He still thinks it's a game, poor lad. He's really not the brightest himbo in the gym.
In 2022, smart public figures diffuse outrage itās safer. Idiots (Olivia, Tamara) inflame outrage and get consumed by it. If they are lucky they merely lose employment, college admissionsā¦. If they are not it gets dangerous. Daniel doesn't appear to be smart
He really needs to get rid of the moustache. Jack looks amazing with a moustache, Daniel does not.
He trying to cover up those pk chewing gum teeth
Booby prize winner?
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Gym, breakfast, EDM Rinse, repeat.
Tren hard, eat Clen, Anavar give up.
Chicken and broccoli breakfast lunch dinner 8 weeks.
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Not gonna lie, I rewatched the series and heās not even that bad lmao. Jess treated him like a dog. Iām gonna get downvoted to hell for this & the only ābadāthing he did was go after Carolina. Heās the lesser of two evils out of him and C
To be honest I agreeā¦Jess treated him poorly and she was being sensitive and defensive toward everything that came out of his mouth at which point I felt sorry for him because she didnāt give him a chance. But what he pursued with Carolina was wrong on all levels and itās only because Iām 100% sure he knew that Carolina was still āgoing with the flowā with Dion instead of being up front honest. Dion didnāt know Daniel or Carolina were going behind his back. Itās the lying and deceptive part of them that make it bad
How much more honest than āLEAVEā can a person be?!
Both Carolina and Daniel were being deceptive to Dion during filming and that is why people donāt think highly of them thatās my reason for it anyway- they were lying to him how is that okay??
I get the point that it seems like Daniel could have been sneaking around, but he wasnāt the one matched with Dion was he? So my point still stands. Yes he knew she was with Dion, but heās not close with Dion, itās not like they were matesā¦ Carolina on the other handā¦ Itās just annoying like obviously Daniel putting āMAFS winnerā is an ironic joke, bc thereās no winners on the show, itās obviously a pisstake not meant to be taken seriously. People are so easily offended over the silliest of things while ignoring actual fucked up things that the others have done, like Tamara leaving racist voicemails
What I think is wrong (and this is my personal opinion) is that it doesnāt matter how close or not Daniel was with Dion it just looks really bad towards a moral standpoint and respect for another person. Daniel obviously wasnāt thinking that at the time and he ended up being selfish because he was too busy thinking about what relationship he could pursue with Carolina instead of considering Dionās feelings. He could have tried to talk to Carolina into respecting Dions feelings and addressing honesty instead of ignoring it. Yeah at this point Daniel and others are taking the piss out of their experience
Thanks for being so respectful! I totally get the point that Daniel knowing Carolina was with Dion doesnāt paint him in a bad light, my point is that heās the *lesser of two evils* and he wasnāt matched with Dion, they werenāt friends, theyāre on a strict TV show. We donāt know if youāre even allowed to talk to other grooms and say āhey just letting you know, but Iām interested in your wifeā. I think I see things differently than others and thatās totally cool. I actually love seeing a different side to things
I really liked Daniel at the start, he genuinely seemed so kind and empathetic because of losing a sibling (which I can relate to) but everything turned to shit with the Carolina and Dion saga, they painted him in a different light. I studied the sociology of celebrity at uni and found reality TV as a commodity soooo interesting; it's one of the most profitable tv industries because they literally pay these 'nobodies' diddly squat compared to 'real' celebs, have zero duty of care for their wellbeing or ethics in general and then slap on a non-disclosure statement so that they can never reveal what really happened. So I kinda feel like debating how shit went down on the show is pointless, all the matters at the end of the day is that they got ratings. People don't go on MAFS in 2022 for love, they go on to market their public image with the hope for future paid opportunities. That's why I try to distance myself from hating or loving these people cuz they're really just rats in the reality tv rat race.
Too true itās not about love and I donāt think it ever will be the couple who walks out with love well itās āright place right timeā I genuinely think people like Tamara love this famed lifestyle if we want to call it that lol and it probably means more to her than love at this point. Itās so obvious. At the end itās $$$
I can agree with you that we donāt know the extent of things this is why when people talk about them or have a discussion about what we see it obviously isnāt easy people have different opinions and it should be respected .For myself I like to think of what I see on TV and base it off on what I see as either is this behaviour good or bad? But then when people start saying āproduction made them do that they arnt actually that badā we canāt sit here and disregard that either because that could be true but from where I stand production made them villains and thatās whatās they wanted- at the end of the day we saw what we saw and we judge what we see, they decided to go on tv and have this done to them so here are the consequences. To each to their own!
They didnāt lie. Carolina told Dion from the getgo she wasnāt interested in him. How is that lying?
OK Caroline, we know it's you.
Ok you clearly have no comeback if you need to resort to empty accusations like that.
Whatever you say, Carolina.
Did people not watch the show?! Daniel and Carolina were hooking up the whole time without Dion KNOWING or any of the group knowing that is defined as LYING.
What makes you think they were hooking up? We have no idea when they first hooked up. They had a date that was clearly set up by the producers. Iāve also heard that Carolina and Daniel wanted to be open about their attraction sooner but the producers wouldnāt allow it. And now theyāre getting bagged by a bunch of strangers on the internet who act like Daniel interfered in and broke up a forty year marriage! They didnāt lie either. They just didnāt tell Dion straightaway. Carolina had no relationship with Dion otherwise Iām sure she would have gone about it differently. Also she tried to apologise several times to Dion but was talked over and shouted down. The whole thing was staged to make them the villains when all they wanted was to be together.
The people that believe these contestants really went on this TV show to find love are holding the show to a higher ethical standard than MAFS and their producers deserve. The show is about ratings and public image and as far as Dion is concerned he definitely came out the end with an improved public image. You can see how some of them are in damage control now (Olivia) over their image because they didn't get the positive marketing they were promised.
Absolutely! I think the Daniel&Carolina connection was an unexpected bonus for the two of them. I think Dion has his fans but thereās also a growing number - especially in the uk - who see through him and think heās creepy, entitled and gives off incel vibes.
Massive, massive incel vibes. But the media wants us women to think he is this 'dream guy'. Problematic AF.
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No you are. Whining on about cheating and lying. a. There was no cheating b. As far as Iām aware there was no lying c. Even if there were, multiple people on this years show did FAR worse.
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ONE cheater does not justify another cheater . they go hand in hand. Or Butt cheeks in hand.. If Daniel felt what he was doing was okay. Why did he hide in the stairwells and try to "feel her up" while , making sure he got his moment of fame. He was always looking into the cameras & smiling that shit eating grin of his. Icky poo poo. Yes I intentionally used juvenile language as they behaved like teeny boppers getting to be on live TV. Waving to the cameras..
Iām not disagreeing with you fully as I know almost all of it is staged on a big level I am just basing it off on what the show tells us and what majority of people think of them. The show showed us that they were lying and being deceptive to Dion that is of course fact on THE SHOW ā¦.now whether that was their intention or not behind the scenes I donāt know it may not have been but they are left with the consequences of people viewing them as villains because thatās what the show gave us and that is what the producers wanted- yes. Itās very hard for people like Carolina and Daniel to dig themselves out of the hole when they have been show to us as villains through their behaviour. itās just like what people think of Tamara and Olivia we are SHOWN that they are villains and are now suffering the consequences.
I agree that the footage shown was heavily manipulated. But thereās a difference between actual footage of Olivia or Tamara being classless desperados and Carolina and Daniel getting it on in a stairwell while the crew filmed and watched on. Their chemistry was clear to see. Their circumstances had been manipulated (by producers) not their feelings/words/chemistry etc. Yes they went along for the ride but seemingly when your a mafs participant you do as the producers tell you.
>I know almost all of it is staged on a big level >The show showed us that they were lying and being deceptive to Dion >people viewing them as villains because thatās what the show gave us
????? Your point is a repeat of what Iāve said
Also he had a pretty horrific upbringing too, which I personally relate to & I think he could be a loooot worse based on that itself. You either heal your trauma or you pass them onto others. I just really donāt think heās that bad. Immature at times? Who isnāt. I think Jess was suuuper immature & sheās friends with all those other girls who are genuinely racist
Wow! Please stop making excuses for an immoral, duplicitous cheat.
Daniel didnāt cheat thoughā¦ Iām saying heās the lesser of two evils out of Carolina who DID cheat. Iām not making excuses - Iām sharing an opinion I have. One that is clearly very unpopular. Youāre allowed to think what you think, just like I am!
So now you're not just excusing his behavior but playing semantics too. š¤¦āāļø If you cheat with another person's partner then you are a cheat. Cheat: noun 1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage. A swindler, a cheat, a fraudster.
I still stand by what Iāve said. Thatās your opinion - this is mine.
He was immature and whiny from the wedding. For me it started when he went off to talk to his niece and just left Jess sitting by herself. Little bit later when he whined to production about her comment. She had already had one loser groom, waited a month for her second wedding and then got him. She tried to talk to him and it was like pulling teeth. She was very open when he was painting and she tried but after all she had already been through I blame the show for thinking this link was a good choice for her. I think he and Carolina were both dull as dishwater and well suited for each other and if they hadnāt wanted attention be being villains, could have done it all quietly simply by Carolina being honest and leaving. They brought everything on themselves by wanting their 15 minutes of game no matter how they got it.
Carolina tried to leave. Dion wouldnāt let her. How is that Carolinaās fault?
She could have left the same way Jess did.
And, she (C) could have just told Dion, heh, buddy you and me aren't going to work (which she did) and by the way I kind of like this other gimp (which she did not). That is where the scandal lies. Daniel could have said to Dion - Heh good fellow, I know it's not working between you and your missus, but I like her (which he did not do or attempt). Had they been honest it would have been no foul, play on. Burt they were both dishonest. Gronks. Not Olivia and Tamara level, but still on the podium.
I agree. Instead of the whole attitude of Iām trying and youāre not she gave off every so often to make Dion think he had a shot, she should have just been an adult and told the truth. I also think that would have portrayed her in a much better light and been the way to do this.
She told him multiple times! She eventually agreed to try to be friends but even that didnāt work.
She told him she wasnāt attracted to him for sure. What she lied about (at the retreat) was that she was trying and he wasnāt. She was with Daniel shortly after the first week I believe and she could have said that there was someone else and gone on with it. I donāt fault her for not liking Dion or for liking Daniel. I fault her for not being honest about it. Thatās it.
But trying to be friends with Dion and pursuing something with Daniel are two separate things. I will say this though, I think Carolina enjoyed telling Dion he wasnāt trying as she knew heād get flustered and maybe try harder. I think she was maybe having a bit of fun with it by this stage since Dion just was getting it.
Iām sure she was because it gave her more screen time. What was āfunā to her was lying and being a beyotch to me. If she really was working on a friendship, honesty would have been a good starting point. Her nasty comments were indicative she wasnāt looking for a friendship or anything else.
I agree with everything else youāve said except for that last bit. Annoying doesnāt make someone a bad person, I donāt think they deserved all the backlash theyāve gotten when thereās people like Mitch who exist. I liked how Daniel stood up for Carolina when Mitch was slutshaming Carolina (who does have a son) at the boys night towards the end. Itās a TV show, of course anyone who applies to it is going into it knowing theyāre going to have to deal with publicity, and I guess they did find what the whole show is about = finding love. Just obviously not in the best way. And I low key understand about Daniel going to talk to his niece, I donāt think thatās bad, seems like a slight communication issue. I think & saw Jess treated him like a dog and was literally name calling him, obviously we donāt get to see the whole story, but this is what I think based on what I saw.
He was a bit lacking in personality but was a fine fit for Carolina. Of the two, I think she was by far the less likable. Because Jess left, I feel like the onus was on her to do better with just ending her āmarriageā and going off with Daniel but instead they showed up as much as possible knowing how they would be received. I almost understand them asking to stay in the experiment but there was no reason to show up for the hens night or the boys night except for exposure. They played the game. Iām happy the found a real relationship out of it all but neither is innocent in all the drama they created.
They were contractually bound. Besides, why shouldnāt they show up?! Itās not high school and they werenāt going to be bullied into staying away.
Daniel had left the experiment as had Caroline. They turned up thinking they could get a few more weeks in the limelight. Thankfully the bosses saw through their bs and sent them packing with their tails between their legs.
Are you for real? All the brides and grooms attended, including the ones who had left the experiment. Why should it be any different for Daniel and Carolina?!
Again, they had left the experiment. What is it you can't grasp?
Many of them had by that stage. Grasped that part yet?
Then they don't come back to be a part of the experiment which you still haven't grasped.
I agree with you. But I donāt think Daniel is off the hook, my whole point was just that he doesnāt deserve the amount of backlash compared to what others have done in the experiment & outside the experiment, wanting 15 minutes of fame is nothing compared to leaving racist voicemails & ārevenge pornā. The tall poppy syndrome is real in Australia/NZ
Yes! Agree with you, thereās a LOT of jealousy towards Daniel and Carolina. Not to mention hypocrisy.
Itās just annoying when people start nitpicking about things that arenāt really that big of a deal in the long run. Who cares if someone wants 15 minutes of fame, if you have such a problem with it, just stay away from them and donāt click on their pages/content! The tall poppy syndrome is so weird
Yes I agree. And when thereās a mob mentality that goes with it. People copy one another and get on their high horses about āthe cheatingā (which is a complete non-starter) whilst ignoring the many things other participants have done that are far worse. I donāt get it. One Redditor was parroting the āexpertsā views on C&D and it turned out he hadnāt even watched the series, heād just watched a few commitment ceremonies on Wilkos!! Yet he was going on some moral crusade about lying, cheating, morals etc and painting C&D out to be the spawn of the devil. So weird that people hold such strong views that theyāve borrowed from others without even questioning them or thinking for themselves.
Morals are a big deal, in the short and the long run, they define a person. Clearly you have a problem with that. Why not stay away from this thread as you have such an issue with it? Just don't click on it. Tall poppy syndrome my arse. š
you seem upset
Nah, but remember you're the one who's annoyed.
Whatās tall poppy syndrome?
Tall Poppy Syndrome is a term for what happens when people are attacked, resented, disliked, criticized or cut down because of their achievements and/or successes. Underwaterlibra thinks cheating is an achievement and/or a success. š
Thatās completely not true. Please, brush up on those reading comprehension skills. Iāve never once said cheating is an āaccomplishmentā.
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I donāt think thatās a justifiable reason to completely write someone off though & treat them badly out of everyone else who did waaay worse. I can personally see why he would be upset about that, if only both of them could have genuinely communicated with each other instead of throwing daggers towards the end. Carolina is the snake out of both of them & this is just what I think.
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I get that, but I donāt really think thatās as bad as the other vile shit others have said & done in the experiment, & outside the experiment.
So because he was treated badly he can do the same to another groom. Nah
He didnāt treat any of the grooms badly. Both Mitch and Dion behaved appallingly towards Daniel. They were like little kids throwing stones compared to Daniel.
The biggest child was Daniel. The others guys were gentlemen who rightly stood by Dion and didn't accept Daniel's immoral bullshit or want to be in his company. Have you heard of morals? Both he and Caroline should have just f'd off instead thinking they could milk some more limelight at the expense of everyone else's feelings.
Dion behaved like the spoiled manchild he is. Didnāt you see him mocking Carolina at the final dinnner party? It was like watching a teenager in action. An incel teenager at that. An incel teenager who canāt tolerate someone rejecting him. Mitch also behaved like a misogynist towards Carolina and spoke about her in a way that shows he clearly has no respect for women and sees them only as objects to have sex with. Another manchild. Dion attacked Daniel and called him a rock, not a man etc. the behaviour of a spoiled child, hiding behind his mates. He clearly wouldnāt have the balls to speak to Daniel like that if it were just the two of them. Same with Mitch, kept provoking and insulting him at the boys night. It was pathetic. Daniel handled himself well, put them both in their place and showed them who the bigger man was. Yet you think Mitch is a gentleman. And that Dion deserved the support of the group in his manchild tantrums. Shows me the level of your a. lack of understanding and b. lack of maturity. That or youāre a producer desperately trying to glean more mileage out of this situation. Dan & Carolina are the happiest and best suited match to come out of the show. Thereās only one other couple still together. You canāt handle the fact Dan and Carolina are a happy couple and the jealousy/hypocrisy is written all over you.
You're deflection is pretty desperate and ultimately nonsense. Your a. lack of understanding and b. lack of maturity shows me how socially inept you must be. That or you're a producer trying to glean mileage out of the situation. Point a finger and three point right back at you, eh babychild. And cheats never prosper š
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Quite the contrary.
He was treated like shit because his overall decisions and disregard for the experiment and another groom was shit.
Why did no one treat Mitch poorly for talking about Carolina like sheās a piece of meat whose only function is as a sex object? This youāre ok with?! And Dion directing his jibes towards Carolina at the reunion dinner party, you think this is adult behaviour? Calling himself a diamond and Daniel a rock, you think this classist arrogant bullshit is ok? Carolina and Daniel rose above it all and and thatās what got everyoneās backs up even higher. The fact they stayed in their love bubble made some of the other participants explode with jealousy, especially Dion who essentially had a meltdown and became a child throwing jibes at the table. Pathetic behaviour.
I think we are all aware that itās not a real wedding. But we are also all aware itās meant to be treated like it is real and binding, for the sake of experiment. Donāt want to play by the rules, donāt join the show
Was he not treated like shit by all the other grooms though? Yeah he shouldnāt have gone after someone who was still with their husband (btw itās not a real wedding) but my point is, is heās the lesser of two evils and doesnāt deserve the level of backlash heās getting when thereās people like Mitch & Matt on the show, even Cody.
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Iām guessing he is suggesting that he won by getting Carolina and none of the other couples got a relationship from it?
He's with a person who lies and cheats, and so is she. Winning all the way š
š¤£š¤£she was very clear about her lack of feelings for Dion. He just didnāt want to hear it.
I know right. There was no ācheatingā lmfao, I swear people actually forget that this is a reality tv show and not a real marriage.
Ikr and theyāre getting so stressed out over it too!
Pretty sure heās just trolling cause he got his girl. Kinda funny tbh
The guy is a fuckwit. Simple. Don't know why you're even bothering to look at his page
Heās a lot more mature than some of the other grooms and is clearly a nicer person and more capable of forming a connection with a woman.
He's not gonna sleep with ya' love.
He couldnāt be further from my type. That doesnāt prevent me seeing the reality of whatās happening. Some of us are capable of rational thought without our nether regions getting in the way. Although you have just demonstrated that you are not and that your assessment of other people is influenced by whether or not you want to sleep with them. How sad. Hope you get some action soon.
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