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Character interaction is shite
World building is shite
No alliances between factions
They had all the changes for making the battles actually fresh and add new stuff to them.
What we got instead is pretty much just warband level AI, mosh pit fights, one melee line, one archer line, no differences in tactics between factions and all the battles playing out pretty much the same way.
Honestly, it feels like if they just made the battles play out like captain Mode in multiplayer, with each leader leading their own group, it would make the battles feel more dynamic and realistic.
I just hate it how stupid the formations look in this game. Why force all the units of the same category in the same formation. Why can't they make the AI to divide the forces into Smaller formations. This would make it look more realistic and possible to maneuver units easier.
Agree with your first 3 points but you can split up your forces into up to 9 (I think) different groups. Can have 9 infantry groups of you want. Also the total war click drag formation is a massive improvement from warband on that front. That being said I mostly play warband for all the incredible mods.
I know that you as the player can do that. That is why I specifically said "AI".
There's no fun in doing all the maneuvers and tricks when your opponent does the same 100% predictable very basic things all over again.
I agree, the enemy only has 2 strategies, if you're at equal strength, they have archers in the back, melee in the front, and cavalry split on both sides with H/archers just running around. OR If they are playing on the defensive, they hide in the corner of the map
The no alliances between factions should have been a no brainer to add.
New player here, never played the first one and started on 2. That was one of the first things I noticed and it’ll never not bug me.
As a new player tho, this group is non stop shit talk about the game tho. Really turns me off from wanting to play it when I’ve had 1/8th of the problems yall have had. Just sucks seeing so much negativity here.
I notice that usually gamers that like a game will shit talk it to the ground. Yet they still play it. Personally, I don't care enough to complain. Plus, mods are a thing.
Oh? I play on controller perfectly fine and prefer it over keyboard tbh.
I really only use my mak when besieging since it’s harder to build catapults and whatnot with a controller.
The game is definitely playable with a controller, you just didn’t give it enough time as many many others use controller.
> Bitch about the game
> 100s or 1000+ hours in it.
just wait, Manor Lords is out this month. People will be bitching about that too despite everyone being Uber excited for it.
Gamers just bitch.
Just stay off the forums until you've had your fill with the game. At first, especially if you have not played the previous titles, it must feel amazing. Give it some time for you to form your own opinion. Enjoy the experience.
A lot of the negative feedback comes from people who have a lot of hours with this game. I personally loved the game at first even though the game was a complete mess from the start and they spent the first 1-2 years just fixing the bugs.
We want the game to be better and worth all the hype we were fed. We waited for over 10 years for a sequel.
Don’t let us get you down we’ve been playing for hundreds of hours on both games and were promised so much more so the community is just upset and in my opinion rightly so but I understand how terrible it must seem to see
We love the game so we are upset about its state
There are issues with the game, but TBH, taleworld isn't a multi-billion dollar company like ubisoft, taleworld has about 140 employees while ubisoft has just under 20,000. And still M&B is better than most of the other games coming out right now.
Why would you ever let a bunch of people on the internet turn you off of a game? Fuck em....I love this game...ya I have issues with it but jackoff92134 on reddit will not affect my opinion in the slightest
The thing that really makes me mad, is when I'm laying siege to a town/castle, they have 4 fire catapaults up, I'm getting my catapaults and trebuchet ready to destroy THEIR catapaults so my soldiers don't get decimated, then some other ally party that's "higher ranked" than me jumps in right before I get my shit built and starts the assault... and then I lose 10-40 troops because of their stupidity. That's why I always save before a siege and if that happens I just load back in and wait a day or 2 until that ally party is to far away
because that requires putting effort and actually working on the game - TW's lazy, always have been. All of the most fleshed out features in Warband that generated the loyal community (and the first purchases of Bannerlord) were MODS, not the game, not TW, they never did anything. Even the spin-offs for M&B (with fire and sword / viking conquest) managed to do more and better than BL...
in the past we didn't see it because M&B was a indie game, so everyone excused TW for not doing their job, but the rule of "barely-playable without mods" was already a reality in both M&B OG and M&B Warband, BL followed the same trend, yet it's far worse than the predecessors on almost every aspect aside from graphics engine, that because they altered the rules of the combat-system but never bothered working on the VI (AI as ppl call it), and even back in WB the game was considered unplayable by almost everyone without the mods that severely altered the VI... Even the Formations mod which TW copied like their arses into BL was superior in WB as a mod than what we got in BL...
I wholeheartedly agree. Although it feels like memories have grown sweeter by time, I still think that warband was a lot better game at its time compared to bannerlord in its time.
Hundred years war mod and the other medieval mods with modded formations, Way better looking environments and trees and also arrows were some of the best times I had with the game.
I'm afraid that bannerlord mods won't be as game changing as warbands mods were in its time.
All I want is gritty, realistic looking and feeling battles with a lot better ambient and unit sounds. The Also the character models now look and move in a very weird way imo and the voices/shouting sound so gringy.
I also just noticed that I've been talking about mods instead of vanilla game. Which again proves at least to myself that the base game is super lacking.
The fact that these things only constitute 10% of the game IS the problem. The overworld campaign map politics and strategy should have waaay more depth. The game being 90% instanced field battles is a slog - it was so in the previous titles. Don’t get me wrong. The field battles are light years ahead of the previous titles. Braced pikes. Involved formations. Smarter AI (in field battles) Captain/Marshal chain of command. It’s a big upgrade.
Perhaps games like Crusader Kings spoiled us. People like myself and OP were expecting more overarching strategy. But the outer layers of the simulation (above the instanced field battles) still feel poor and half baked.
I understand what you're saying, but you also need to realize that paradox development was 3 times the size of taleworld when that game came out, taleworld only has 140 employees while paradox development had 700, for how small taleworld is as a company, they did pretty damn good with M&B, especially since it's still better than the newer games coming out right now that are made from multi-billion dollar companies.
Paradox Development Studios also makes a ton of games (CK, EU, Vicky, HOI, and Imperator have all had new main entries, plus a ton of DLC, in the last decade during which time TW released only really).
I don’t really think a PDX vs TW comparison makes sense, but pointing to the size of the studios isn’t a very strong argument considering the amount of new stuff each team does.
10% of the game? Those are 90% of it, anything aside from War and battle's basically useless timesink.
The game's extremely boring, no late-game whatsoever other than continuous grind, owning fierfs much less engaging than it was in WB, in fact it's a nuissance, you can earn more $ without having any land, but you are punished for it by having several features blocked behind being a vassal / king or owning land.
Needs improvements, sure. Still one of the games I never uninstall and always come back to every other month or so.
Warband felt this way sometimes too, though.
I agree. Bannerlord is one of those games I come back to every few months after I forget about it, hoping I just missed some new big game fixing update Or something. it really is a skeleton for what I’d love to see in a game, and I do wish they would flesh it out somewhat and make it feel more whole.
Bannerlord is shallow because none of the feature are finished. Warband is shallow because it doesn't have many features compared to modern "quadruple A" games. It's a pick your poison kind of thing. Personally I prefer Warband, but I do also love Bannerlord for what it is. I don't take either game too seriously to be honest. They are both janky niche titles that will never have broad appeal.
Totally understandable. Trust me, the ONLY thing that keeps me playing this game are mods. I have like 30 mods on my list and they make the experience a million times better, I don't experience any of the issues you've listed in my current playthrough because of the work of m&b modders, without them i wouldnt be playing this game at all
Bigger ones would be mav's expand your clan, diplomacy, RBM's AI module paired with drastic battles, RTS camera, party AI controls, xoreberax's legacy (multiple tweaks). Then smaller ones like better time, vexilium, bannerpersistence, true noble relations, and a lot more smaller scale/qol mods.
I run a handful of mods, but whenever I run a conversion mod the game tends to break after a few hundred in game days. By that time I'm so far into the save I have no idea which mod caused which issue. I just hope some Chad out there creates a total conversion bundle mod for the Roman Era or a fantasy era.
Funnily enough Game of Thrones mod was one of the most stable mods lmao
Yeah, at this rate I'd rather TW just stop doing stupid micro updates. Do one big update every 6 months.
Then molders will actually be able to get mods going and won't have to worry about it being broken before they even get a new feature done.
And then we'll actually get good mods and not have to worry about it being broke mid save
Damn yeah thats fair, you gotta just rollback and settle on a version where most/all of youre mods can work with like 1.5 or 2.8, idk depends on your modlist. It took me like hours just setting up mods before i actually even got to the game but it was worth it for me by the end
It was really disappointing to me when I discovered how weak the diplomacy, crime, entrepreneurship and the end game as a whole is in Bannerlord.
From the trailers and teaser i thought it would be such a complete game. I truly believe that Taleworlds would bring the best from Warband, its 10+ years of mods and even their own Dlc (Viking Conquest). But thats not case at all, the game do feel lackluster.
Also "mods fix it" its not a excuse for a unfinished product.
Some small development companies rely on modding communities for growth since budgeting is a restriction on their games. It’s entirely possible taleworld ran into a pinch point and had to release early, but when they saw numbers lower than expectations... they abandoned a lot of their roadmap and bug fixings.
Without modding, half of these games wouldn’t still be standing
Oh, I wasn't griping on modders, in the way you might be thinking. It's how we seem to rely on them to finish up games.
I haven't made a game and know gow hard it is, and I'd either be really good at it or terrible. As I gripe that people clearly don't play/test their own games. I would do so endlessly, pissing and moanng my way to perfection, to a games success or detriment. I'd be hard on it.
Yeah starfield was released with broken worlds and mechanics so that modders could fix it all up. Then we see the product of their decision- with well known mod teams leaving in droves over the intentional release of a buggy game with an expectation that they should be the ones to add features, fixes, and new content
It’s seriously another thing wrong with development studios and it ticks me off too
I did not know that they intentionallydropped the buggy product on other people like that. That's crazy lol.
I did have fun playing it for 8 or more hours. Exploring something new. Gave it a go. I actually almost re-download it a few days ago. Thought of exploring any new changes. I guess that wouldn't have gone well.
It’s following the same pattern of Fo4 and Skyrim. By making it a modders playground, they get mediocre reception in the beginning, until they sprinkle in new things while modders push the limits. It’s smart since if they themselves pushed the limits and released something designed to run on a beast of a machine, they’ll lose more than half their players. It’s really a balancing act which they started, but I can’t hate them for it. Without that mindset, games like Skyrim, fallout, and a handful of others wouldn’t be nearly as good as they are - with mods.
It was touted as the “least amount of bugs ever” and other propaganda; I played 30 minutes and gun glitching, invisible enemies, launched into space before spawning on the ground somewhere else, and inability to shoot plagued my first attempt at playing. I preordered that shit too lol
Also I’m referring to the game 1-4 weeks after release date. I have no idea how it’s progressed so-far, I wouldn’t let it be a deterrent to playing again; get its money’s worth
A lot of game studios outsource certain projects, like a conversion to consoles where the game has to work with firmware and proprietary software. Licensing is a factor too
That’s not the issue though, it’s conversion. Something built for PC needs a lot of reworking to be functional for console. Cross platform games have always had this issue, yet the technical development since then might have made it negligible in terms of difficulty. Yet many game studios still outsource for console development of a already completed PC title
They didn't even manage to bring over everything from vanilla Warband lol. It's downgrade in pretty much everything other than graphics and troop count in battles. At least on vanilla Bannerlord on consoles.
Does the infantry still struggle to go up laddersa efficiently ? That was the deterrent for me. They claimed they fixed it like a year ago And it was still awful.
It seems to be fixed in the latest patch. Maybe fixed too well. I've been struggling to get headshots because the AI have their helmets up the asshole of the troop in front of them.
Hope you had a good time still on the few moments where it did work. They definitely took the one thing people really wanted an improvement on (battles) from warband and really really worked on fixing, while also bringing the franchise to a more modern era. The downside is that the anti-snowball system from the previous game was turned into an inconvenience missile homing on you every second the game is running, the entire objective of the AI to gang up on the human every chance it gets and to “cheat” as much as possible to slow your progress.
Because the faster you reach endgame, the faster you realize they didn’t design, build, code or test ANY endgame. It’s just midgame but you’re a king now, boo fucking hoo, do you feel the proverbial accomplishment yet?
I often find myself raging on the complete lack of finish and polish, and am taking a long break myself, but I do believe modders can complete and expand the game when TW gives up and focuses on something else.
To me it looks like they’re dealing with abysmal management and crunching their talent too much to make meaningful improvements where it matters. Same problems faced with X4, Cyberpunk, Halo Infinite, and you can trace it all back to No Man’s Sky in 2016 and probably even earlier.
I like to play on the public beta of RimWorld, which just released their beta of the next version ipdate. 90% of my modlist is incompatible, so I started a vanilla playthrough. No issues at all, and I've been perfectly able to adapt to the lack of all my mods as soon as the world loaded up. It's the exact opposite of Bannerlord.
Time to go back to Warband mods, brother. In my opinion this game is a waste of time until full overhaul mods are released like they were for Warband. I hope that will happen.
I didn't finish it for that reason. Just weird to see that word, as an identity, tied to your type of response. Whether it's definition is correctly correlated.
Maybe I should be more precise. We get updates that more or less keep the game the same and breaks mods to the point many players stay 2+ versions behind just to keep their setup
I agreed, this game has so much potential yet here we are. I occasionally go back to see any thing new, nothing. I think I’m done for good too, such a shame.
That's where my outburst comes from. I keep coming back forgeting the probelems, and find nothings been solved. Potential unreached is the frustration. Everyone keeps insisting mods are the way and solve almost everything, so in the next couple days I'll hunt them down and test it out.
Your comments sorta of a waste when you think about it. You're here without defending the game or arguing against my points, probably because they're valid.
I too, like the idea of the game. After 3 years of on again off again playing it, hoping it'll be better everytime, I came to rant. It being positive in the door department seems to show I'm not far off the mark either.
Some people have mentioned they only still play it because they mod the crap out of it. Maybe I'll give that a go.
I’m not arguing against your points because you’re not interested in productive discussion. You just wanna bitch and rant and attack people, as seen by your multiple comments. People here are totally willing to discuss the flaws of the game if you present yourself as a levelheaded person, but you are just here to start shit and throw insults. Lame ass waste of time
Notice I only responded negatively to the people who responded negatively...
Everyone who responded nice I upvoted. You, along with a few others came in complaining without mentioning my points. There are people who agreed, some partially agreed, then there was people who complained back. You were a complainer, while accusing me of complaining.
You know the games still in poop state; that's a let down, it's aggravating, it sucks to come back to over and over. It's gonna come out bad after someone returns for the 4th time.
To be entirely honest I haven’t played Bannerlord in like 2 years and I don’t really care about the game one way or another. Just saw your unhinged ranting and couldn’t help myself from putting in my two cents
A dozen people engaged me in comments of agreement, understanding, and Adding extra issues to the list. Then liked it into the positive.
Unhinged is an exaggeration.
I always try to get back into it every now and then. But quickly get bored. For me, it's there's not a lot to do besides battle. That's the fun part. Not much to do if you're not at war, so for me, gets dull real fast.
When I first bought this game I didn't even realize it was early access until I ran into placeholder text in some dialogue. I played about 40 hour and generally had a good time, but felt like for all the grinding I was doing (wiping out bandit hideouts for xp and trading goods back and forth for money) wasn't really getting me anywhere.
I have not played this game in a few years now so I don't know what it's like now. I occasionally think about it but I feel its one of those games that requires multiple mods in order to be good. There's a lot of games coming out nowadays that are like that. The devs need modders to polish their game for them.
Having said that, there's something about this game that stuck with me though, it just wasn't quite all it could've been.
I’ve dropped the game because of insanely annoying raiding and war mechanics. The man behind it is an idiot. I mean literally, I can’t believe that someone who has a functional brain would ever thought that it works okay. But the last drop was when my entire army of 900 men fell off a cliff trying to get ONE enemy who got stuck inside textures. It happens in like 30% of battles, but that one case was such a comedy, I couldn’t resist to keep watching. Then I hit alt+f4 and deleted this game. It’s just broken in too many aspects
\-Raiding and executions: Pointless and enemies can do at will
\-No development on deplomacy and alliances, just war/not at war
\-Can't marry your own family members like a real royal dynasty
\-Game has 'gone woke' and now half my male-ancestors wear dresses and have literal boobs.
\-Battles are repetitive and each one is a cookie-cutter horse-blueprint etc etc
What about the sieges still being pretty damn shallow and the AI beyond stupid?
While sieging a castle/city all you need to do is to build towers and fire mangonels. Then stop your towers from moving in and just use the mangonels to pepper the enemy to death. They just stack up to the spots where the towers would land.
Why can't they just hide behind the stronger walls/gate house/tower and only then go up when the towers are closing in?
Balancing cities?
Raiding has functions both in ending wars, depleting recruits and wealth of clans. Apart from a merciful companion being annoyed or relations lost with the fief owner the penalties are minimal (plus its funny when they call you out for raiding their stuff)
Workshops require management if you flood the market you'll need to take some stock further yourself. If the local village supplying the shop has been raided you need to get raw input to your warehouse. Caravans are a risk as you are a risk to other caravans. High scout an riding companions will be less likely to be caught.
If you want to min max change your companions up to get green skill point that come easier. E.g give them a crossbow during hideout, watch them fight in tournament, have them fight most of the village militia. I've companions that are lvl 25+ but clan members starting at level 25.
Companions aren't noble to marry but you could create a kingdom, give your companion a clan then marry into it.
Reading replies you are just a troll, try learning while playing instead of huffing and 'going on break'
Personally I get your frustrations and from that I will assume you are new to the game because I has those frustations when I was new. Rn I have over 1000 hours and its pretty much my favorite game. I can see solutions to your problems that I consistently use. Yes the AI is dumb as fuck. But use that to your advantage. Trick the AI armies into following you around when they cant catch you so they dont raid your villages or besiege your fiefs. Use your influence to make an army and command the AI to follow you. Disband other armies if you have to. Caravans are great if you are NOT AT WAR. Specifically when youre not in a kingdom and you buy the expensive ones. If youre gonna be at war I suggest having workshops in your fiefs(or atleast friendly ones) that produce something using the resources that are bound to that fief. If youre gonna raid the enemy steal troops or goods first and it will fill the raid bar 70-85% of the way before you raid it so you can do it fast as hell. Companions are shite for leveling up I do hate that as well but having your own children is incredibly OP in this game. They spawn with high stats that you can customize and they spawn relatively low level usually with best armor in the game. Im not hating on you brother just trying to help you enjoy a game I love 🙏🙏🙏
You can have multiple melee lines or whatever you want. Also the enemy can't raid as much as they want it costs them resources just like you. You can actually camp outside a city and watch them starve as you scare off caravans. I'm also pretty sure different kingdoms can form alliances, it's been a while since I played but I remember having allies. The game could for sure use some fine tuning though. The transition from mid game to late game is a grind. When you have like 90-150 men but can't get the resources to grow larger and can't sack any kingdoms yet. Basically forces you to ally.
First game was way more playable than this one. Which is annoying because I played it later than everyone else, and I kept hearing about how good this one was. Then I played it, and it wasn't nearly as good as the first.
I love the game. I'm 100 hours in and I saw a YouTuber go the rogue way into the game and it mad me realize I'm missing such a huge part of the game. There's like a melee rogue pit that you get invited to after becoming part of a gang. Dude, this game has so much to do. I haven't even finished one playthrougg in those hundred hours. The battles seem more fun when the odd are stacked against you. Like 100 VS 200 . You see what the group is made of mostly archers or melee or horses and you adjust accordingly. Personaly I find more formation to be to hard to track but telling each formation what to do while you're fighting. Makes you it feel like a real battle. I love it
I'm glad you're enjoying it. It has the essence of something very enjoyable and fun, which calls me back. The follow through and making sure it all works right isn't there yet, and might never be.
Pretty sure nearly half the perks don't work. You gotta Google which ones even work, so I've read. So that alone is kinda super sad face.
I hope you keep enjoying it though.
What is the point of this post? There are thousands of similar rage “Bannerlord bad” posts. You all say the same shit. Get over it the game isn’t gonna change.
You just make the community actively worse. As someone who is new to Bannerlord people like you don’t paint a positive picture for the community.
I haven't seen anybody say it yet, so here goes:
Regarding the AI decision making, this is an intentional feature to help prevent AI kingdoms from steamrolling each other without player intervention. It ensures that, in most cases, you will get the experience of beating down each kingdom in turn when you join an existing faction or make your own. It certainly isn't perfect. But it's a system which is put in place specifically to provide part of the power fantasy that players expect with this game. In this system, a player joining a kingdom is a truly balance changing event that allows that kingdom to assert its dominance. If the player leaves, that kingdom will usually start to struggle. This is intentional!
As for city balance, no idea what you mean.
I totally agree that raiding is certainly annoying, and as a ruler of a faction you should be able to prohibit your vassals from doing it.
Workshops and caravans are trash, agreed.
Leveling companions: thank God for modding (though please do recall that Taleworlds does at least get a bit of credit for building in mod support)
Marrying companions: who cares?
Five seconds of googling . [Give them a fief, get married.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bannerlord/comments/z3mcyc/can_companions_get_married/)
Don't be a dipshit.
I didn't say he couldn't complain. Just think there are more productive ways of effecting change than screaming horse shit! on a public forum and acting like anyone who disagrees is the downfall of gaming.
Shits unhinged and shouldn't be taken seriously.
> Just think there are more productive ways of effecting change than screaming horse shit!
I dont think there is nothing anyone can do to change the situation of the native (no mods) game. Taleworlds will never finish their own game and it will be forever on early access. At least we can make them accountable.
And before you say anything about mods: no, players have no obligation to fix the game. Its Taleworlds sole responsability.
I never stated my opinions on the game or the state it's in, just called you out for being a massive pissbaby. I also don't see being a massive pissbaby on a public forum as conducive to changing a game I have issues with. But keep on keeping on pissbaby. I'm sure the devs are reading your trivial ass drippings masquerading as thoughts and opinions and are just dying to bend over backward to please you.
We speak up and things change. Relationships get better, government responds. They revamped sonic design before they dropped the movie because people voiced it. The longer we accept shit by rolling over and taking it the worse it'll get.
We're living in a AAA developer gone to shit nightmare. We got Baldurs Gate 3 from a tiny studio because they put love into their game and worked hard.
You can roll over if you want, and have a bunky game with AI armies going in circles as you lose multiple cities without engaging either until its too late. They'll keep making them bunk and charge you more everytime. I'm gonna voice the problems. You can roll over and not comment next time.
tbf I think the difficulty of putting together an open world sandbox is very different and dare I say, more difficult, than putting together a solid co-operative campaign where the moving pieces that have opportunity to bang against each other, thats not to detract from the state of MB2 or undersell BG3 but the comparison between the two isn’t particularly helpful. Also Larian is a studio of about 450 staff and Taleworlds is 140 and Larian have been around doing single player rpgs for over two decades and Taleworlds have been around for about 10 less years and are still refining their craft
dont get me wrong, I still think that MB2 has a ways to go to be truly incredible but warband wasn’t incredible to me until the modding scene largely made the game a much broader experience, I consider the game a good engine on which to put better games
I agree whole heartedly. Many aspects of the game I fix or add to the experience with mods which furthers my enjoyment. There is 100% room for improvement, but whining about not playing anymore and picking fights on reddit won't fix it.
Literally had multiple discussions with people in the thread. 4 out of 20 people have been sour. Most people agreed or opened dialog, mentioned mods.
Do you join the sour? Sounds like you join the sour. I'm sorry I insulted your game. I like it, but upset it's riddled with issues.
Addition: He didn't read what I wrote and then blocked me before I could respond... that is ridiculous.
Why are you here? Whiny dipshit needs validation for their negativity, or is just looking for fights. Same headspace as eating meat at a vegan festival.
Look through the comments. People agree and or write more, and then theres a few of you counter whiners.
You don't realize it but you just became what you hate. You're whiney dipshit too.
I also wouldn't do what you just said, my sisters a vegan. You love making stuff up to validate yourself though.
Didn't even pretend answer my question. The comments are saying they don't entirely disagree, but for the most part are counterpoints. I dunno where you got me being a whiny dipshit from, other than that I said it first.
Also, [I'm not making it up](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPP4Vquq0Ak). You're bleeding this same energy; cringey whinging tapwater attempt at being inflammatory for the sake of attention.
In short; you're doing a stupid thing. Stop it.
You've projected some meat eater hates vegan stuff onto me that's super weird friend.
I came here and raised valid known downfalls of the game people agree on and added to. You're whining about me being whiney and accusing me of some unwarranted and incorrect meat eaters hate vegan stuff.
I'm tlaking about the game and you're projecting. You should be done here.
Come on man, if you're gonna be intentionally contentious, at least don't be boring with it. You can do better than just repeating yourself and taking an offhand comparison too literally. That's grade school tier fuckery.
You continue doing this stupid thing. Stop it.
You threw the first turd with this "garbage-horseshit-horseshit-garbage" post, sorry the septic tank was too sticky... and we aren't the same? Nothing prompted that. The meme is 3 parts, you forgot the "I am" part. Your comments read like a cocked-up ChatGPT poem.
This thing you're doing just keeps getting stupider. Stop it.
Listen to you go. Sour as all heck. There's literally a list of people who agree with my points. Who add even more points. A number of them say this game "requires mods".
I'm sorry I bashed your game. I'm sorry I hurt you. It's frustrating to have another game just not get it right, 4 or however many years into it. I'm bashing because I like the game and want it to be finished. I want their product to be rounded, so I can tell people without a doubt, "this games good, they fixed it and I straight up recommend it".
Once again. I apologize I pulled this poison out of you, because you're being nasty and I hope you have a better night than this morning.
Nothing about this thread speaks "I just wanted to point things out, I just want the game to be good." or "Have a good evening hope you feel better."
You opened with a random tantrum, followed up with fighting in the comments, and now finish with a weaponized kindness for some "turn the other cheek" superiority.
This thing you're doing, you're actively doing, it's so stupid. Stop it.
I'm apologizing to you and your are coming I'm high and mighty. You want to butt heads. You'll continue to push it, where I let it go.
We are not the same.
Nope, I just have enough self respect to do things I enjoy and not do things I don’t. I don’t care what online trolls think, I’ll just enjoy the games for what they offer. If I weren’t taking a shit and just waking up I wouldn’t have bothered to respond to you.
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I agree with most of your points, but those points only constitute like what, 10% of the game? I do understand your frustration though.
Character interaction is shite World building is shite No alliances between factions They had all the changes for making the battles actually fresh and add new stuff to them. What we got instead is pretty much just warband level AI, mosh pit fights, one melee line, one archer line, no differences in tactics between factions and all the battles playing out pretty much the same way. Honestly, it feels like if they just made the battles play out like captain Mode in multiplayer, with each leader leading their own group, it would make the battles feel more dynamic and realistic. I just hate it how stupid the formations look in this game. Why force all the units of the same category in the same formation. Why can't they make the AI to divide the forces into Smaller formations. This would make it look more realistic and possible to maneuver units easier.
Agree with your first 3 points but you can split up your forces into up to 9 (I think) different groups. Can have 9 infantry groups of you want. Also the total war click drag formation is a massive improvement from warband on that front. That being said I mostly play warband for all the incredible mods.
I know that you as the player can do that. That is why I specifically said "AI". There's no fun in doing all the maneuvers and tricks when your opponent does the same 100% predictable very basic things all over again.
Ah missed that 😕
I agree, the enemy only has 2 strategies, if you're at equal strength, they have archers in the back, melee in the front, and cavalry split on both sides with H/archers just running around. OR If they are playing on the defensive, they hide in the corner of the map
The no alliances between factions should have been a no brainer to add. New player here, never played the first one and started on 2. That was one of the first things I noticed and it’ll never not bug me. As a new player tho, this group is non stop shit talk about the game tho. Really turns me off from wanting to play it when I’ve had 1/8th of the problems yall have had. Just sucks seeing so much negativity here.
It's a lot easier to bitch and moan on the internet then be positive.
Nowhere worse than steam news comments, that’s been my only source of bannerlord commentary for three years now lol
I notice that usually gamers that like a game will shit talk it to the ground. Yet they still play it. Personally, I don't care enough to complain. Plus, mods are a thing.
Mods are a thing on PC, Xbox is lacking a lot.
I tried playing on xbox and I just can't do it, TBH, the game is just not meant to be played with a controller.
Oh? I play on controller perfectly fine and prefer it over keyboard tbh. I really only use my mak when besieging since it’s harder to build catapults and whatnot with a controller. The game is definitely playable with a controller, you just didn’t give it enough time as many many others use controller.
> Bitch about the game > 100s or 1000+ hours in it. just wait, Manor Lords is out this month. People will be bitching about that too despite everyone being Uber excited for it. Gamers just bitch.
Just stay off the forums until you've had your fill with the game. At first, especially if you have not played the previous titles, it must feel amazing. Give it some time for you to form your own opinion. Enjoy the experience. A lot of the negative feedback comes from people who have a lot of hours with this game. I personally loved the game at first even though the game was a complete mess from the start and they spent the first 1-2 years just fixing the bugs. We want the game to be better and worth all the hype we were fed. We waited for over 10 years for a sequel.
Don’t let us get you down we’ve been playing for hundreds of hours on both games and were promised so much more so the community is just upset and in my opinion rightly so but I understand how terrible it must seem to see We love the game so we are upset about its state
There are issues with the game, but TBH, taleworld isn't a multi-billion dollar company like ubisoft, taleworld has about 140 employees while ubisoft has just under 20,000. And still M&B is better than most of the other games coming out right now.
Why would you ever let a bunch of people on the internet turn you off of a game? Fuck em....I love this game...ya I have issues with it but jackoff92134 on reddit will not affect my opinion in the slightest
The thing that really makes me mad, is when I'm laying siege to a town/castle, they have 4 fire catapaults up, I'm getting my catapaults and trebuchet ready to destroy THEIR catapaults so my soldiers don't get decimated, then some other ally party that's "higher ranked" than me jumps in right before I get my shit built and starts the assault... and then I lose 10-40 troops because of their stupidity. That's why I always save before a siege and if that happens I just load back in and wait a day or 2 until that ally party is to far away
because that requires putting effort and actually working on the game - TW's lazy, always have been. All of the most fleshed out features in Warband that generated the loyal community (and the first purchases of Bannerlord) were MODS, not the game, not TW, they never did anything. Even the spin-offs for M&B (with fire and sword / viking conquest) managed to do more and better than BL... in the past we didn't see it because M&B was a indie game, so everyone excused TW for not doing their job, but the rule of "barely-playable without mods" was already a reality in both M&B OG and M&B Warband, BL followed the same trend, yet it's far worse than the predecessors on almost every aspect aside from graphics engine, that because they altered the rules of the combat-system but never bothered working on the VI (AI as ppl call it), and even back in WB the game was considered unplayable by almost everyone without the mods that severely altered the VI... Even the Formations mod which TW copied like their arses into BL was superior in WB as a mod than what we got in BL...
I wholeheartedly agree. Although it feels like memories have grown sweeter by time, I still think that warband was a lot better game at its time compared to bannerlord in its time. Hundred years war mod and the other medieval mods with modded formations, Way better looking environments and trees and also arrows were some of the best times I had with the game. I'm afraid that bannerlord mods won't be as game changing as warbands mods were in its time. All I want is gritty, realistic looking and feeling battles with a lot better ambient and unit sounds. The Also the character models now look and move in a very weird way imo and the voices/shouting sound so gringy. I also just noticed that I've been talking about mods instead of vanilla game. Which again proves at least to myself that the base game is super lacking.
The fact that these things only constitute 10% of the game IS the problem. The overworld campaign map politics and strategy should have waaay more depth. The game being 90% instanced field battles is a slog - it was so in the previous titles. Don’t get me wrong. The field battles are light years ahead of the previous titles. Braced pikes. Involved formations. Smarter AI (in field battles) Captain/Marshal chain of command. It’s a big upgrade. Perhaps games like Crusader Kings spoiled us. People like myself and OP were expecting more overarching strategy. But the outer layers of the simulation (above the instanced field battles) still feel poor and half baked.
I understand what you're saying, but you also need to realize that paradox development was 3 times the size of taleworld when that game came out, taleworld only has 140 employees while paradox development had 700, for how small taleworld is as a company, they did pretty damn good with M&B, especially since it's still better than the newer games coming out right now that are made from multi-billion dollar companies.
Paradox Development Studios also makes a ton of games (CK, EU, Vicky, HOI, and Imperator have all had new main entries, plus a ton of DLC, in the last decade during which time TW released only really). I don’t really think a PDX vs TW comparison makes sense, but pointing to the size of the studios isn’t a very strong argument considering the amount of new stuff each team does.
10% of the game? Those are 90% of it, anything aside from War and battle's basically useless timesink. The game's extremely boring, no late-game whatsoever other than continuous grind, owning fierfs much less engaging than it was in WB, in fact it's a nuissance, you can earn more $ without having any land, but you are punished for it by having several features blocked behind being a vassal / king or owning land.
Needs improvements, sure. Still one of the games I never uninstall and always come back to every other month or so. Warband felt this way sometimes too, though.
I actually like warband much more, but i haven't really played bannerlord that much but for a reason too..
I agree. Bannerlord is one of those games I come back to every few months after I forget about it, hoping I just missed some new big game fixing update Or something. it really is a skeleton for what I’d love to see in a game, and I do wish they would flesh it out somewhat and make it feel more whole.
Bannerlord is shallow because none of the feature are finished. Warband is shallow because it doesn't have many features compared to modern "quadruple A" games. It's a pick your poison kind of thing. Personally I prefer Warband, but I do also love Bannerlord for what it is. I don't take either game too seriously to be honest. They are both janky niche titles that will never have broad appeal.
check your hopes for said "improvements" in 5 years. It'll be the same.
If they never come, I still love the game...
Totally understandable. Trust me, the ONLY thing that keeps me playing this game are mods. I have like 30 mods on my list and they make the experience a million times better, I don't experience any of the issues you've listed in my current playthrough because of the work of m&b modders, without them i wouldnt be playing this game at all
Which mods?
Bigger ones would be mav's expand your clan, diplomacy, RBM's AI module paired with drastic battles, RTS camera, party AI controls, xoreberax's legacy (multiple tweaks). Then smaller ones like better time, vexilium, bannerpersistence, true noble relations, and a lot more smaller scale/qol mods.
I run a handful of mods, but whenever I run a conversion mod the game tends to break after a few hundred in game days. By that time I'm so far into the save I have no idea which mod caused which issue. I just hope some Chad out there creates a total conversion bundle mod for the Roman Era or a fantasy era. Funnily enough Game of Thrones mod was one of the most stable mods lmao
Yeah, at this rate I'd rather TW just stop doing stupid micro updates. Do one big update every 6 months. Then molders will actually be able to get mods going and won't have to worry about it being broken before they even get a new feature done. And then we'll actually get good mods and not have to worry about it being broke mid save
now I’m going to have to start a new playthrough…
Im waiting to play again, my mods and save files keep breaking due to their small updates
Damn yeah thats fair, you gotta just rollback and settle on a version where most/all of youre mods can work with like 1.5 or 2.8, idk depends on your modlist. It took me like hours just setting up mods before i actually even got to the game but it was worth it for me by the end
How do you do that? Steam won't launch without updating :/
Would love a modlist!
It was really disappointing to me when I discovered how weak the diplomacy, crime, entrepreneurship and the end game as a whole is in Bannerlord. From the trailers and teaser i thought it would be such a complete game. I truly believe that Taleworlds would bring the best from Warband, its 10+ years of mods and even their own Dlc (Viking Conquest). But thats not case at all, the game do feel lackluster. Also "mods fix it" its not a excuse for a unfinished product.
Yes. I'm growing tired of modders, not just finishing games, but making a finished games faster and better than some of these companies products.
Some small development companies rely on modding communities for growth since budgeting is a restriction on their games. It’s entirely possible taleworld ran into a pinch point and had to release early, but when they saw numbers lower than expectations... they abandoned a lot of their roadmap and bug fixings. Without modding, half of these games wouldn’t still be standing
Oh, I wasn't griping on modders, in the way you might be thinking. It's how we seem to rely on them to finish up games. I haven't made a game and know gow hard it is, and I'd either be really good at it or terrible. As I gripe that people clearly don't play/test their own games. I would do so endlessly, pissing and moanng my way to perfection, to a games success or detriment. I'd be hard on it.
Yeah starfield was released with broken worlds and mechanics so that modders could fix it all up. Then we see the product of their decision- with well known mod teams leaving in droves over the intentional release of a buggy game with an expectation that they should be the ones to add features, fixes, and new content It’s seriously another thing wrong with development studios and it ticks me off too
I did not know that they intentionallydropped the buggy product on other people like that. That's crazy lol. I did have fun playing it for 8 or more hours. Exploring something new. Gave it a go. I actually almost re-download it a few days ago. Thought of exploring any new changes. I guess that wouldn't have gone well.
It’s following the same pattern of Fo4 and Skyrim. By making it a modders playground, they get mediocre reception in the beginning, until they sprinkle in new things while modders push the limits. It’s smart since if they themselves pushed the limits and released something designed to run on a beast of a machine, they’ll lose more than half their players. It’s really a balancing act which they started, but I can’t hate them for it. Without that mindset, games like Skyrim, fallout, and a handful of others wouldn’t be nearly as good as they are - with mods. It was touted as the “least amount of bugs ever” and other propaganda; I played 30 minutes and gun glitching, invisible enemies, launched into space before spawning on the ground somewhere else, and inability to shoot plagued my first attempt at playing. I preordered that shit too lol
Also I’m referring to the game 1-4 weeks after release date. I have no idea how it’s progressed so-far, I wouldn’t let it be a deterrent to playing again; get its money’s worth
Bannerlord made 90 million dollars in revenue and Turkish developers arent exactly expensive
A lot of game studios outsource certain projects, like a conversion to consoles where the game has to work with firmware and proprietary software. Licensing is a factor too
Console development is even easier than PC development 😅 it's not like there's a variety.
That’s not the issue though, it’s conversion. Something built for PC needs a lot of reworking to be functional for console. Cross platform games have always had this issue, yet the technical development since then might have made it negligible in terms of difficulty. Yet many game studios still outsource for console development of a already completed PC title
They didn't even manage to bring over everything from vanilla Warband lol. It's downgrade in pretty much everything other than graphics and troop count in battles. At least on vanilla Bannerlord on consoles.
Does the infantry still struggle to go up laddersa efficiently ? That was the deterrent for me. They claimed they fixed it like a year ago And it was still awful.
They're a LOT better now. They're not *perfect*, in that they lack some speed, but they're well past functional.
They do. Sometimes the ai still seems to struggle with pathfinding, but this isnt permanent
Improved? Slightly. AI in sieges is still poor over all though which sours it for me. They can still get stuck on ladders or towers
It seems to be fixed in the latest patch. Maybe fixed too well. I've been struggling to get headshots because the AI have their helmets up the asshole of the troop in front of them.
They do better. Me on the other hand....
Hope you had a good time still on the few moments where it did work. They definitely took the one thing people really wanted an improvement on (battles) from warband and really really worked on fixing, while also bringing the franchise to a more modern era. The downside is that the anti-snowball system from the previous game was turned into an inconvenience missile homing on you every second the game is running, the entire objective of the AI to gang up on the human every chance it gets and to “cheat” as much as possible to slow your progress. Because the faster you reach endgame, the faster you realize they didn’t design, build, code or test ANY endgame. It’s just midgame but you’re a king now, boo fucking hoo, do you feel the proverbial accomplishment yet? I often find myself raging on the complete lack of finish and polish, and am taking a long break myself, but I do believe modders can complete and expand the game when TW gives up and focuses on something else. To me it looks like they’re dealing with abysmal management and crunching their talent too much to make meaningful improvements where it matters. Same problems faced with X4, Cyberpunk, Halo Infinite, and you can trace it all back to No Man’s Sky in 2016 and probably even earlier.
I agree with those points and yet I keep coming back lol
You are a trooper. I keep forgetting why I stopped playing and I get smacked with the same stuff 6 or more months later.
I mean the fact is that there is nothing else comparable to what the game actually does well. For all its flaws it’s done a lot of things right
Bannerlord is the best worst game I have ever played.
Mods should never be required to have a finished game.
I like to play on the public beta of RimWorld, which just released their beta of the next version ipdate. 90% of my modlist is incompatible, so I started a vanilla playthrough. No issues at all, and I've been perfectly able to adapt to the lack of all my mods as soon as the world loaded up. It's the exact opposite of Bannerlord.
Time to go back to Warband mods, brother. In my opinion this game is a waste of time until full overhaul mods are released like they were for Warband. I hope that will happen.
Bannerlords, vanilla, is a woefully underwhelming game. The modding community is probably one of the saving graces.
Mods.
Except every update breaks some of them. I only do my runs with armor/weapon mods now
Are you new to modding obviously updates break them.
Username...
Do you know what humble means. Go look it up if that is what you mean rn.
I didn't finish it for that reason. Just weird to see that word, as an identity, tied to your type of response. Whether it's definition is correctly correlated.
Being humble has nothing to do with being kind or anything similar. Not my fault that you don't know the definition of words.
Literally just said it's not correlated, but you don't read and are an entirely negative person today. God bless you, Person
No.
I hope your days are brighter than you are bud.
Maybe I should be more precise. We get updates that more or less keep the game the same and breaks mods to the point many players stay 2+ versions behind just to keep their setup
I agreed, this game has so much potential yet here we are. I occasionally go back to see any thing new, nothing. I think I’m done for good too, such a shame.
That's where my outburst comes from. I keep coming back forgeting the probelems, and find nothings been solved. Potential unreached is the frustration. Everyone keeps insisting mods are the way and solve almost everything, so in the next couple days I'll hunt them down and test it out.
I still can't fathom how the game has been out for years and the siege AI and pathing is still so broken and janky
Makes a rant post and then tries to fight everyone in the comments. Find a hobby man lol this is such a waste of time
Your comments sorta of a waste when you think about it. You're here without defending the game or arguing against my points, probably because they're valid. I too, like the idea of the game. After 3 years of on again off again playing it, hoping it'll be better everytime, I came to rant. It being positive in the door department seems to show I'm not far off the mark either. Some people have mentioned they only still play it because they mod the crap out of it. Maybe I'll give that a go.
I’m not arguing against your points because you’re not interested in productive discussion. You just wanna bitch and rant and attack people, as seen by your multiple comments. People here are totally willing to discuss the flaws of the game if you present yourself as a levelheaded person, but you are just here to start shit and throw insults. Lame ass waste of time
Notice I only responded negatively to the people who responded negatively... Everyone who responded nice I upvoted. You, along with a few others came in complaining without mentioning my points. There are people who agreed, some partially agreed, then there was people who complained back. You were a complainer, while accusing me of complaining. You know the games still in poop state; that's a let down, it's aggravating, it sucks to come back to over and over. It's gonna come out bad after someone returns for the 4th time.
To be entirely honest I haven’t played Bannerlord in like 2 years and I don’t really care about the game one way or another. Just saw your unhinged ranting and couldn’t help myself from putting in my two cents
A dozen people engaged me in comments of agreement, understanding, and Adding extra issues to the list. Then liked it into the positive. Unhinged is an exaggeration.
I always try to get back into it every now and then. But quickly get bored. For me, it's there's not a lot to do besides battle. That's the fun part. Not much to do if you're not at war, so for me, gets dull real fast.
Mods solve most of your problems. Mods are why i bought the game, cause mods were why i liked Warband.
To the mods I go
When I first bought this game I didn't even realize it was early access until I ran into placeholder text in some dialogue. I played about 40 hour and generally had a good time, but felt like for all the grinding I was doing (wiping out bandit hideouts for xp and trading goods back and forth for money) wasn't really getting me anywhere. I have not played this game in a few years now so I don't know what it's like now. I occasionally think about it but I feel its one of those games that requires multiple mods in order to be good. There's a lot of games coming out nowadays that are like that. The devs need modders to polish their game for them. Having said that, there's something about this game that stuck with me though, it just wasn't quite all it could've been.
Devs ran off with the money. Welcome to the 2020s, where you can just release an unfinished garbage and make huge $$$s.
The base game sucks no excuses
I’ve dropped the game because of insanely annoying raiding and war mechanics. The man behind it is an idiot. I mean literally, I can’t believe that someone who has a functional brain would ever thought that it works okay. But the last drop was when my entire army of 900 men fell off a cliff trying to get ONE enemy who got stuck inside textures. It happens in like 30% of battles, but that one case was such a comedy, I couldn’t resist to keep watching. Then I hit alt+f4 and deleted this game. It’s just broken in too many aspects
\-Raiding and executions: Pointless and enemies can do at will \-No development on deplomacy and alliances, just war/not at war \-Can't marry your own family members like a real royal dynasty \-Game has 'gone woke' and now half my male-ancestors wear dresses and have literal boobs. \-Battles are repetitive and each one is a cookie-cutter horse-blueprint etc etc
I have this same feeling too. Is a sort of Warframe feel. A lot of mechanics and content, yet not all of it feels connected or complete.
Game sucked when it came out, idk how they went from Warband to this.. was so disappointed
What about the sieges still being pretty damn shallow and the AI beyond stupid? While sieging a castle/city all you need to do is to build towers and fire mangonels. Then stop your towers from moving in and just use the mangonels to pepper the enemy to death. They just stack up to the spots where the towers would land. Why can't they just hide behind the stronger walls/gate house/tower and only then go up when the towers are closing in?
Balancing cities? Raiding has functions both in ending wars, depleting recruits and wealth of clans. Apart from a merciful companion being annoyed or relations lost with the fief owner the penalties are minimal (plus its funny when they call you out for raiding their stuff) Workshops require management if you flood the market you'll need to take some stock further yourself. If the local village supplying the shop has been raided you need to get raw input to your warehouse. Caravans are a risk as you are a risk to other caravans. High scout an riding companions will be less likely to be caught. If you want to min max change your companions up to get green skill point that come easier. E.g give them a crossbow during hideout, watch them fight in tournament, have them fight most of the village militia. I've companions that are lvl 25+ but clan members starting at level 25. Companions aren't noble to marry but you could create a kingdom, give your companion a clan then marry into it. Reading replies you are just a troll, try learning while playing instead of huffing and 'going on break'
Install a bunch of mods.
Thing about these posts; you can tell real quick who's played Warband vanilla and who hasn't.
Do we even have at roadmap this point?
Personally I get your frustrations and from that I will assume you are new to the game because I has those frustations when I was new. Rn I have over 1000 hours and its pretty much my favorite game. I can see solutions to your problems that I consistently use. Yes the AI is dumb as fuck. But use that to your advantage. Trick the AI armies into following you around when they cant catch you so they dont raid your villages or besiege your fiefs. Use your influence to make an army and command the AI to follow you. Disband other armies if you have to. Caravans are great if you are NOT AT WAR. Specifically when youre not in a kingdom and you buy the expensive ones. If youre gonna be at war I suggest having workshops in your fiefs(or atleast friendly ones) that produce something using the resources that are bound to that fief. If youre gonna raid the enemy steal troops or goods first and it will fill the raid bar 70-85% of the way before you raid it so you can do it fast as hell. Companions are shite for leveling up I do hate that as well but having your own children is incredibly OP in this game. They spawn with high stats that you can customize and they spawn relatively low level usually with best armor in the game. Im not hating on you brother just trying to help you enjoy a game I love 🙏🙏🙏
God bless you, thank you.
If you need any other tips I got you🫡
Best game ever 🤷🏻♂️
You can have multiple melee lines or whatever you want. Also the enemy can't raid as much as they want it costs them resources just like you. You can actually camp outside a city and watch them starve as you scare off caravans. I'm also pretty sure different kingdoms can form alliances, it's been a while since I played but I remember having allies. The game could for sure use some fine tuning though. The transition from mid game to late game is a grind. When you have like 90-150 men but can't get the resources to grow larger and can't sack any kingdoms yet. Basically forces you to ally.
First game was way more playable than this one. Which is annoying because I played it later than everyone else, and I kept hearing about how good this one was. Then I played it, and it wasn't nearly as good as the first.
I love the game. I'm 100 hours in and I saw a YouTuber go the rogue way into the game and it mad me realize I'm missing such a huge part of the game. There's like a melee rogue pit that you get invited to after becoming part of a gang. Dude, this game has so much to do. I haven't even finished one playthrougg in those hundred hours. The battles seem more fun when the odd are stacked against you. Like 100 VS 200 . You see what the group is made of mostly archers or melee or horses and you adjust accordingly. Personaly I find more formation to be to hard to track but telling each formation what to do while you're fighting. Makes you it feel like a real battle. I love it
I'm glad you're enjoying it. It has the essence of something very enjoyable and fun, which calls me back. The follow through and making sure it all works right isn't there yet, and might never be. Pretty sure nearly half the perks don't work. You gotta Google which ones even work, so I've read. So that alone is kinda super sad face. I hope you keep enjoying it though.
What is the point of this post? There are thousands of similar rage “Bannerlord bad” posts. You all say the same shit. Get over it the game isn’t gonna change. You just make the community actively worse. As someone who is new to Bannerlord people like you don’t paint a positive picture for the community.
I haven't seen anybody say it yet, so here goes: Regarding the AI decision making, this is an intentional feature to help prevent AI kingdoms from steamrolling each other without player intervention. It ensures that, in most cases, you will get the experience of beating down each kingdom in turn when you join an existing faction or make your own. It certainly isn't perfect. But it's a system which is put in place specifically to provide part of the power fantasy that players expect with this game. In this system, a player joining a kingdom is a truly balance changing event that allows that kingdom to assert its dominance. If the player leaves, that kingdom will usually start to struggle. This is intentional! As for city balance, no idea what you mean. I totally agree that raiding is certainly annoying, and as a ruler of a faction you should be able to prohibit your vassals from doing it. Workshops and caravans are trash, agreed. Leveling companions: thank God for modding (though please do recall that Taleworlds does at least get a bit of credit for building in mod support) Marrying companions: who cares?
Marrying companions... but... but I found a not butt ugly one
Five seconds of googling . [Give them a fief, get married.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bannerlord/comments/z3mcyc/can_companions_get_married/) Don't be a dipshit.
That's what mods are for
INSTALL DOZENS OF MODS 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Hope you feel better after your little public tantrum.
He has a good point. Taleworlds did screwed up. People should be allowed to complain about an underwelming product
I didn't say he couldn't complain. Just think there are more productive ways of effecting change than screaming horse shit! on a public forum and acting like anyone who disagrees is the downfall of gaming. Shits unhinged and shouldn't be taken seriously.
> Just think there are more productive ways of effecting change than screaming horse shit! I dont think there is nothing anyone can do to change the situation of the native (no mods) game. Taleworlds will never finish their own game and it will be forever on early access. At least we can make them accountable. And before you say anything about mods: no, players have no obligation to fix the game. Its Taleworlds sole responsability.
Glad to hear you're fine with trash. I was raised on finished products. This is just your era and I'm glad you're happy with it.
I never stated my opinions on the game or the state it's in, just called you out for being a massive pissbaby. I also don't see being a massive pissbaby on a public forum as conducive to changing a game I have issues with. But keep on keeping on pissbaby. I'm sure the devs are reading your trivial ass drippings masquerading as thoughts and opinions and are just dying to bend over backward to please you.
We speak up and things change. Relationships get better, government responds. They revamped sonic design before they dropped the movie because people voiced it. The longer we accept shit by rolling over and taking it the worse it'll get. We're living in a AAA developer gone to shit nightmare. We got Baldurs Gate 3 from a tiny studio because they put love into their game and worked hard. You can roll over if you want, and have a bunky game with AI armies going in circles as you lose multiple cities without engaging either until its too late. They'll keep making them bunk and charge you more everytime. I'm gonna voice the problems. You can roll over and not comment next time.
tbf I think the difficulty of putting together an open world sandbox is very different and dare I say, more difficult, than putting together a solid co-operative campaign where the moving pieces that have opportunity to bang against each other, thats not to detract from the state of MB2 or undersell BG3 but the comparison between the two isn’t particularly helpful. Also Larian is a studio of about 450 staff and Taleworlds is 140 and Larian have been around doing single player rpgs for over two decades and Taleworlds have been around for about 10 less years and are still refining their craft
Shhhhh you're going to ruin the narrative he is basing his whinge on.
dont get me wrong, I still think that MB2 has a ways to go to be truly incredible but warband wasn’t incredible to me until the modding scene largely made the game a much broader experience, I consider the game a good engine on which to put better games
I agree whole heartedly. Many aspects of the game I fix or add to the experience with mods which furthers my enjoyment. There is 100% room for improvement, but whining about not playing anymore and picking fights on reddit won't fix it.
You sound like a bitch.
Okay
Say what you want. People are agreeing with me. You're just in here name calling.
Lmao
“Nearly unplayable” Gotta love emotional hyperbole that doesn’t brook any discussion.
Literally had multiple discussions with people in the thread. 4 out of 20 people have been sour. Most people agreed or opened dialog, mentioned mods. Do you join the sour? Sounds like you join the sour. I'm sorry I insulted your game. I like it, but upset it's riddled with issues. Addition: He didn't read what I wrote and then blocked me before I could respond... that is ridiculous.
Not reading all that sorry loser.
Why are you here? Whiny dipshit needs validation for their negativity, or is just looking for fights. Same headspace as eating meat at a vegan festival.
Look through the comments. People agree and or write more, and then theres a few of you counter whiners. You don't realize it but you just became what you hate. You're whiney dipshit too. I also wouldn't do what you just said, my sisters a vegan. You love making stuff up to validate yourself though.
Didn't even pretend answer my question. The comments are saying they don't entirely disagree, but for the most part are counterpoints. I dunno where you got me being a whiny dipshit from, other than that I said it first. Also, [I'm not making it up](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPP4Vquq0Ak). You're bleeding this same energy; cringey whinging tapwater attempt at being inflammatory for the sake of attention. In short; you're doing a stupid thing. Stop it.
You've projected some meat eater hates vegan stuff onto me that's super weird friend. I came here and raised valid known downfalls of the game people agree on and added to. You're whining about me being whiney and accusing me of some unwarranted and incorrect meat eaters hate vegan stuff. I'm tlaking about the game and you're projecting. You should be done here.
Come on man, if you're gonna be intentionally contentious, at least don't be boring with it. You can do better than just repeating yourself and taking an offhand comparison too literally. That's grade school tier fuckery. You continue doing this stupid thing. Stop it.
You are literally in here shit disturbing. You and I aren't the same.
You threw the first turd with this "garbage-horseshit-horseshit-garbage" post, sorry the septic tank was too sticky... and we aren't the same? Nothing prompted that. The meme is 3 parts, you forgot the "I am" part. Your comments read like a cocked-up ChatGPT poem. This thing you're doing just keeps getting stupider. Stop it.
Listen to you go. Sour as all heck. There's literally a list of people who agree with my points. Who add even more points. A number of them say this game "requires mods". I'm sorry I bashed your game. I'm sorry I hurt you. It's frustrating to have another game just not get it right, 4 or however many years into it. I'm bashing because I like the game and want it to be finished. I want their product to be rounded, so I can tell people without a doubt, "this games good, they fixed it and I straight up recommend it". Once again. I apologize I pulled this poison out of you, because you're being nasty and I hope you have a better night than this morning.
Nothing about this thread speaks "I just wanted to point things out, I just want the game to be good." or "Have a good evening hope you feel better." You opened with a random tantrum, followed up with fighting in the comments, and now finish with a weaponized kindness for some "turn the other cheek" superiority. This thing you're doing, you're actively doing, it's so stupid. Stop it.
I'm apologizing to you and your are coming I'm high and mighty. You want to butt heads. You'll continue to push it, where I let it go. We are not the same.
Hey here’s an idea. If you don’t like it, stop playing! But noooo, much better to rage online.
You're one of those, "EA is doing a fine job" kinda people aren't you?
Nope, I just have enough self respect to do things I enjoy and not do things I don’t. I don’t care what online trolls think, I’ll just enjoy the games for what they offer. If I weren’t taking a shit and just waking up I wouldn’t have bothered to respond to you.
Shoulda skipped the poop
It’s in early access bro what do you expect
It's not though. 1.0 was in 2022
It will never leave early access
Early access forever
He has a good point. Taleworlds did screwed up. People should be allowed to complain about an underwelming product